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Starlink Aviation
- broodbucket 4y agoJust want to say the idea of joining a game at 20ms and ending it at 80ms because you've traveled thousands of kilometres is highly amusing to me.
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- usednet 4y agoJust out of curiosity I have played CS:GO and other competitive FPSs on planes before. I can’t imagine actually playing well on good ping, even briefly on a plane. I didn’t think something like that would ever even be possible in my lifetime.
- stargazing 4y agoI'm sorry - but the mental image of someone playing T-side on dust2 while on a plane and the sound "bomb has been planted" on max volume just echoes throughout the cabin is too hilarious!
- lm28469 4y ago"Starlink aviation" you say ? https://starlinkaviation.com/ https://starlinkaviation.com/
- pluc 4y agoJust in: Musk offers to buy City of Montreal
- AlexanderTheGr8 4y ago2 months before deciding to reneg due to too many fake people in Montreal. He accuses the City of Montreal of hiding the true number of thugs and criminals.
- littlestymaar 4y agoChanging plans and buying Kherson to the Russian govt instead.
- 93po 4y agoAs dumb as that whole saga is, I find it amusing that people think Twitter is actually honest in their filings about the amount of fake/bot accounts. Tech companies inflating account numbers is a tale as old as the internet itself.
- giarc 4y agoA tale that Elon knew well (as publicly demonstrated numerous times), yet still tried to back out of the deal using it as an excuse.
- amacalac 4y agoLow latency for Video Calls? Sure, great on private charter jets where it’s you or a couple of people who know each other. Also, generally in favour of the march of technology, so I love this. Do Not Ever want on a flight where I’m sitting beside some random ass stranger who will chat or video chat to whoever at the top of their voice while I’m trying to relax.
- BryanBeshore 4y agoFor the low price is just $89, you can sit in a seat in the quiet section.
- fy20 4y agoI've been on international flights booked by my comoany, where I cannot change or upgrade anything - except my meal selection to say I need a special meal.
- rippercushions 4y agoThis is actually a thing already, and AirAsia charges $25 to $55 for the privilege: https://www.budgetair.com/en_us/blog/quiet-zones-vs-family-zones https://www.budgetair.com/en_us/blog/quiet-zones-vs-family-z...
- dzhiurgis 4y agoAirlines should def offer sections - party/drinkers, quiet, families, the rest come to mind.
- ralusek 4y agoI'd rather that be a problem left to etiquette, rather than avoided due to lack of technology.
- parker_mountain 4y ago> a problem left to etiquette I fly regularly, and it will absolutely become a problem on day 1.
- etothepii 4y agoNot sure who this is aimed at, the existing inflight wifi solutions powered by two satellites (viasat) are sufficient for tasks that don't require low latency.
- reustle 4y agoBut how much do they charge airlines?
- kelp 4y agoIt says right on the front page: "High-speed, low-latency, in-flight internet with connectivity across the globe. $12,500/mo-$25,000/mo with a one-time hardware cost of $150,000. Reserve now with deliveries starting in 2023."
- thrdbndndn 4y agoPretty sure they meant how much viasat charges.
- kelp 4y agoYeah, you could be right. And from a very quick look, Viasat doesn't just have their prices right on the front page.
- gruez 4y agoThey have a pricing table in their brochure: https://viasat.widen.net/s/clgfbt6sdz/1487977_business_aviation_ds_brochure_web-3 https://viasat.widen.net/s/clgfbt6sdz/1487977_business_aviat...
- carl_dr 4y agoVs “from $2795 per month” for Viasat. https://go.viasat.com/BAV-Viasat-Select-Business-Jet-WiFi.html https://go.viasat.com/BAV-Viasat-Select-Business-Jet-WiFi.ht...
- ricardobeat 4y agoThis will solve the "spotify didn't actually download my offline playlist" problem, but unfortunately there is rarely room to use a laptop on the plane unless you're flying business.
- gruez 4y ago>unfortunately there is rarely room to use a laptop on the plane unless you're flying business What do you mean? I've flown before and 14" or 13.3" laptop fits just fine on the seat tray.
- cpuguy83 4y agoIt depends on the plane. A lot of planes have seat rows that are so close together. Forget about it if you have a little extra around the waist.
- crazygringo 4y agoIt certainly does. However, if you're even moderately tall, it's impossible to use the trackpad without elbowing the person next to you in the ribs, since the front of the laptop is basically touching your stomach once you open the laptop at enough of an angle to be able to see its display. (This is on a 13" MBA.) If all you're doing is watching video then it's fine. But trying to get real work done is incredibly awkward. The only way I'm able to do anything is to use a separate Bluetooth keyboard I hold underneath the tray over my knees. But that means exclusively writing or other things I can do solely with the keyboard, without a mouse/trackpad. Also, forget it if the person in front of you reclines. It's game over.
- gruez 4y ago>it's impossible to use the trackpad without elbowing the person next to you in the ribs that's what the trackpoint is for, if you have a thinkpad ;)
- glowingly 4y agoMy experience with largely with 14" laptops. I am moderately tall, IMO. I will admit to using a Thinkpad. For other laptops I've had, I use my thumbs + tap-to-click. Also a healthy dose of KB. I am buried in the console, so I will admit that a more graphically driven user may not appreciate thumbing the touchpad and navigating by KB. Sometimes, the options for edge-inertial-scrolling, tap then hold to drag (i.e. click dragging with a mouse), etc seem to mostly be limited to synaptics touchpads and sometimes features disappear with OS or driver updates. Really annoying, when those features are what make marginal touchpad usage shine, IMO.
- MichaelZuo 4y agoLooks like a very competitive product, assuming pricing is reasonable. It's interesting that they are rolling in the warranty cost with the monthly subscription. First time I've seen that. It will be great for aircraft owners looking to have a full featured internet experience in flight. Though the downside is that it will likely have priority when roaming into any cell, thus degrading service for ordinary ground based customers in busy areas.
- brianwawok 4y agoMost of the time a plane is over farm fields or water. Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. Not gonna be flying over NYC w this. Kind of a good fit I would think in terms of utilization.
- jazzyjackson 4y ago> Highest demand for normal starlink is in cities. ?? cities have fiber, who wants starlink in a city?
- bpodgursky 4y agoThis is a very US-centric (or at least western-centric) view of the world.
- gaadd33 4y agoI didn't think a lot of the cities can get fiber to the home. I know I can't in NYC and when I was in LA, nor in Ft Lauderdale. Is it easier in most other big cities?
- Ayesh 4y agoNot a big city, but in Colombo, there is an ISP that exclusively provides Fibre lines to apartment buildings. It's a common interest for both building management and the ISP to provide service. If the building signs up with the ISP, any customer from that building can sign up directly at ISP, and they can setup the connection within the same day. Price wise, they are on par with other ISPs, but the Sri Lankan government heavily regulates the prices.
- strgrd 4y agoAre there no aerodynamic concerns for that installation? The VHF instruments pictured on top of the fuselage make this thing look like a plow that would be better fit on top of a Sprinter van... they couldn't have gone for a dome?
- ShakataGaNai 4y agoThe Ku/Ka band antenna's used by other providers are quite significant in size. https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/gogo-2ku-inflight-wifi-70mbps/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/gogo-2ku-inflight-wi... https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/466228743522893824 https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/466228743522893824
- londons_explore 4y agoIf I was an airline considering this, I'd want to see $/km fuel costs from the extra air resistance in the sales brochure...
- borissk 4y agoIt will be a lot less than the percentage a radio antenna increases the fuel consumption of a car. Modern planes like the 787 are made to a big degree from composites and the antenna can be installed inside the fuselage - leading to 0% increase in air resistance.
- londons_explore 4y agoThe pictures on the site show a roof mounted one... It's raised like 4 inches off the body, so it's gotta cause quite some drag at 500 mph
- Pasorrijer 4y agoThis is not accurate. I don't know of a single installation within a fuselage, because the composite has enough metal in or around it to cause interference. The fuel concern is a significant one, as well as performance. Enough fuel or performance impacts and you can restrict the airports flown with these antennas. It's not as big a problem on widebodies, but it's the reason you haven't seen WiFi on small regional or the smallest narrow bodies until recently.
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- abc_lisper 4y agoWell, who else is giving it for free?
- darknavi 4y agoMaybe Lockheed Martin has been donating F-16s to Ukraine for free and we just haven't heard about it.
- mlindner 4y agoThere aren't any F-16s operating in Ukraine...
- abc_lisper 4y agoThat was his point…
- Thlom 4y agoTelecoms sans frontiers is operating within Ukraine and neighboring countries providing Internet access and telephone services to civilians. SpaceX shouldn’t have been allowed to insert themselves in the conflict. They should use existing structures if they want to provide humanitarian telecom and if they wanted to provide their offerings to the military they should go through normal channels. Just throwing their offering into the conflict with unclear strings attached inevitably led to drama. Operating like a normal company might give less PR, but probably wouldn’t have ended with Elon parroting Russian talking points …
- mlindner 4y ago> SpaceX shouldn’t have been allowed to insert themselves in the conflict. Except Starlink has become critical for the military in Ukraine. It's used extensively to live stream drone footage from the frontlines to command locations over things like google hangouts. There's videos of this which is why we know. It also works without any infrastructure when it's all been destroyed has has been critical in getting cell service up and running quickly in destroyed areas.
- pr337h4m 4y agohttps://support.starlink.com/topic?category=57 https://support.starlink.com/topic?category=57
- walrus01 4y agoto give an idea of the lower bound size of aircraft this is possible on: Which aircraft types are supported for Starlink Aviation? Supplemental type certificate (STCs) are in development for the following aircraft: ERJ-135, ERJ-145, G650, G550, Falcon 2000, G450, Challenger 300, Challenger 350, Global Express, Global 5000, Global 6000, and Global 7500. The Starlink engineering team will update this list as development begins on additional aircraft. ---------------------- Presumably if you have something with a large flat upper surface that flies at fairly low speeds it would not be impossible to install physically, though possibly without a STC to make it legal/legit for the FAA... You are unlikely to get one of these officially working on a hondajet or any of the small to mid size Cessna for instance. Something in the size range of a twin otter could almost certainly mount one without serious problems, though might only be okay legally in a non faa jurisdiction.
- mlindner 4y agoIf your aircraft is experimental rated you should be able to still install it without a STC I believe.
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- schappim 4y agoHow much does it cost to install on my private jet? Or is it a case of if I have to ask, I don't have a private jet?
- ents 4y ago$150,000.
- digianarchist 4y agoThat’s just the equipment cost.
- rippercushions 4y agoYup: remember, this is aviation, where a roll of duct tape -- excuse me, "aviation grade speed tape" -- costs you $400.
- xvector 4y ago> High-speed, low-latency, in-flight internet with connectivity across the globe. $12,500/mo-$25,000/mo with a one-time hardware cost of $150,000. Reserve now with deliveries starting in 2023.
- system2 4y agoYou can buy a beatdown Cessna for $20,000 and get this one installed for $150,000. Although you'd still probably use cell towers for your phone but this is a good flex.
- mlindner 4y agoIf you had clicked the link before posting you would know.
- Someone1234 4y agoThe link doesn't cover their question. They asked about installation costs, the link only talks about monthly costs ($12.5-25K) and hardware cost (150K). Modification to an aircraft, expertise, and being FAA cleared is always expensive.
- cdnsteve 4y agoIt would be nice if Starlink could honour their existing obligations as a priority first. I have reserved Starlink here in Canada nearly two years ago and received an email advising it's now been pushed to summer 2023. That's three years of waiting. I was also emailed last year advising the monthly cost has increased and so has the dish itself. Shouldn't providing down payment legally guarantee to buy a service at original said price? I'm already frustrated and not even a customer yet....
- schappim 4y agoPerhaps it is not a client hardware issue, but a lack of coverage at your latitude.
- langsoul-com 4y agoCould be regulation and legal issues as well. Probs is.
- francislavoie 4y agoI know many Canadians (including family) who've gotten theirs. That's not the issue in this case.
- FireBeyond 4y agoSeems like offering a $25,000/mo aviation service (which could be at almost any latitude) might be pretty risky, in that case. For $25,000/mo, customers are going to expect connectivity.
- usefulcat 4y agoFor aviation, they'll get connectivity most of the time; it will just flake out occasionally. The real question is, what are the prices of the services they're competing against? I'll bet those prices are higher.
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- langsoul-com 4y agoI hope this means there's free WiFi on flights in the future.
- CephalopodMD 4y agoI got free wifi about a month ago on jet blue!
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- hndamien 4y agoWould this be good for remote pilots flying fighter jets, or has that been adequately serviced by military tech?
- elihu 4y agoPresumably it could be useful in that context. I don't know what the alternative is; probably direct radio links to other planes and/or ground stations. It might be a problem for SpaceX if their satellite network were to be deemed a military asset -- a foreign government might consider them a legitimate military target and destroy the satellites if they have the means to do so.
- sksksk 4y agoStarlink is being used by the Ukraine military, so presumably that horse has bolted?
- borissk 4y agoRemote pilots flying drones will be first.
- zuhayeer 4y agoOnce upon a time, all plane transmissions were pretty much air to ground. As inconsequential as it may seem, the positioning of antennas above the plane are a bit metaphoric for flipping things up side down. Looking out into space instead of back to earth. Also notable that SpaceX keeps finding these cool (revenue generating) use cases to further cheapen the cost of sending things up to space. Pretty much dogfooding their rockets via Starlink satellites. Edited with correction that most inflight wifi is actually air to space now.
- eganist 4y agoEdit: a fatal assumption that it's the airlines providing the service underpins my original post below, whereas instead it's the providers charging passengers directly. That's an entirely different model from below, so disregard my original comment aside maybe my last line. Preserving the comment for context though. --- At 25,000/mo, assuming a jet makes 60 trans-con segments in the US per month and a price of $20 per passenger for access on a given segment, you'd need an average of at least 20 people to pay for a full flight's worth of internet access on each segment just to clear the monthly cost, not even counting the up front investment. And that's for a standard narrow-body passenger jet, not the G650 etc. business jets that they're targeting. This seems like a flex, not a tool.
- FireBeyond 4y agoAnd, knowing Musk, a way to play loose with the books. I can imagine a bunch of these reservations "financially delivered" to prop up SpaceX's numbers, which aren't looking hugely healthy.
- gaadd33 4y agoI don't disagree but I'm curious where you are getting the data about SpaceX's numbers? Do you have information rights on their bonds or common stock?
- elteto 4y agoIn which world is SpaceX not healthy? I mean, _seriously_. Investors are trampling over each other for the opportunity to get into their private stock buybacks. They've had a record number of launches this year and Starlink is coming out of "unproven" territory and into "let's sell this" territory. Plus they just successfully tested inter-satellite links. You best anchor yourself to the ground... lest you drift away.
- mlindner 4y ago> knowing Musk, a way to play loose with the books Do you have any source that shows that he's committing such fraud?
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- ggregoire 4y agoSlightly unrelated but makes me wonder how different would be the airline industry nowadays if Musk had launched a airline company at the same time he launched SpaceX. How different would it be to take a plane and travel across the world.
- M3L0NM4N 4y agoThe same but the screens on the back of the seats would be slightly larger.
- robertlagrant 4y agoThe pilot's controls will all be touchscreen :)
- WithinReason 4y agoThe horror
- sabjut 4y ago"If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new airline." - Richard Branson
- notahacker 4y agoYep. My feeling is that this story involves Elon Musk losing his completely conventional fleet of aircraft and slightly quirky service to creditors and wishing that he'd set up a space company or a 140 characters company instead...
- ggregoire 4y agoI mean, you could turn the quote into "If you want to be a Millionaire, start with a billion dollars and launch a new rocket company." Not sure what are SpaceX financials but Musk seems ok.
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- chatterhead 4y ago> No long term contracts What? lol Listen, if I'm paying you a 1 time fee of $150K you better be contractually obligated to provide my expensive ass internet each and every month I want it.
- mlindner 4y agoSome charter aircraft may sit on the ground for some time so having flexibility to start and stop the service seems useful.
- chatterhead 4y agoThen you don't need low latency internet like that unless you only use your plane for real-time spying.
- maxehmookau 4y agoI hate the idea that people might start doing facetime calls on planes. Please no.
- KoftaBob 4y agoMost airlines I've traveled on have stated at the beginning of the flight that video calls aren't allowed, they could always just keep that rule.
- rexreed 4y agoHave you been on a train or long-distance bus recently?
- maxehmookau 4y agoYes, I don’t want to see that happen on planes!
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- mlindner 4y agoEdit: When this post was written, the majority of the popular posts were unrelated complaints and general criticisms of Musk and/or his companies. Most of them now appear to have no been deleted/flagged/significantly downvoted. ---------------------------------------------------------- What a thread, full of people complaining about unrelated things rather than what the actual link talks about. I think it'll be interesting as this rolls out to more airline customers even though this specific product is more aimed at corporate jets and similiar aircraft. From the FAQ: Which aircraft types are supported for Starlink Aviation? Supplemental type certificate (STCs) are in development for the following aircraft: ERJ-135, ERJ-145, G650, G550, Falcon 2000, G450, Challenger 300, Challenger 350, Global Express, Global 5000, Global 6000, and Global 7500. The Starlink engineering team will update this list as development begins on additional aircraft.
- Seattle3503 4y ago> With latency as low as 20 ms, passengers can engage in activities previously not functional in flight, including video calls, I knew this was coming, but I am still not ready for it. Can you imagine being on a 5+ hour flight next to someone on a call the entire time? You know there will be people who will take their entire work day from the plane.
- TedShiller 4y agoA bit unrealistic no?
- bottlepalm 4y agoPretty realistic someone with no argument or useful information to add to the discussion would just throw out there, ‘this sounds unrealistic’ and nothing else.
- londons_explore 4y agoWon't this require spectrum licensed from every country the plane fly's over? Easy in North America... But all other regions of the world a typical flight might go over 20 countries. If you can't secure a license for just one, you're gonna have a 5 hour flight with 20 minutes of no internet... Not great. And I don't think they're getting a license for Russia, Iran, China, half of Africa, etc any time soon.
- pigtailgirl 4y ago-- shouldn't be too difficult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITU_Radio_Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITU_Radio_Regulations --
- dzhiurgis 4y agoNo planes are flying over Russia anyway
- himinlomax 4y agoAnd flying over China is severely restricted by the ruling dictatorship anyway.
- sneak 4y agoMany planes are flying over Russia, because Russia is big and sometimes you need to get things from one end of it to the other end of it quickly.
- wasmitnetzen 4y agoNo western planes. Most, if not all, Asian and Middle Eastern airlines are still flying through Russian airspace.
- leoedin 4y agoHow do existing inflight internet solutions solve this? Do they only allow internet over water and selected countries?
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- npritchard 4y agoI know it's done this way to be consistent with the other use-case pages, but it seems really interesting to show a proposition for which only very few people could actually seriously consider, yet anyone can register their interest; pretty neat. EDIT: typos
- jwmoz 4y agoMight just have to buy a plane to use this
- brw95 4y agoWow, such a low-profile is unprecedented. Will go a long way in saving as much fuel as possible. Nice development.
- april_22 4y agoI wonder if this also means future astronauts will have wifi when launching to moon/mars. Imagine watching watching a movie while taking off to somewhere distant
- miduil 4y agoThis kinda implies we haven't invented local storage yet
- sandworm101 4y agoShhh. Local storage is a secret. The modern internet economy is based on profiting from "on demand" content delivered over a connection that can be monitized... and cut off for non-payment. Privately-hosted content like CDs or hard drives will soon be outlawed. Buy a NAS now while ypu still can.
- mlindner 4y agoStarlink antennas only aim downward so no it can't even be used to talk to other satellites/spacecraft, let alone the moon. Though there are planned tests to try to link to the network via the laser connections, but that would require being relatively nearby, at least with the current design. Also even if it was facing upwards, the entire reason why they're using LEO satellites is to get low latency to get network performance similar to what you get with terrestrial service. If you're far away from the Earth then none of that is true.
- 1023bytes 4y agoMars is 3 minutes away at the speed of light at it's closest. So e-mails at best.
- chrisseaton 4y ago> 3 minutes away That's latency, not throughput. Streaming a pre-filmed movie is sensitive to the latter, not the former.
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- kilroy123 4y agoSlightly off-topic. I hate that internet is becoming more common on flights. One of my favorite things about flying is that it's a good chunk of time where you disconnect and don't worry about emails or messages. Just sit back and watch a movie or listen to music. Or catch up on sleep.
- yosito 4y agoTo be fair, I fly about 30 times per year, and in the last ten years, I've found that the in-flight wifi actually worked approximately once.
- pb7 4y agoI have the same flight stats and I have only had to ask for a refund once because it straight up didn’t work for most of the flight. Many airlines have very usable internet now, some even for free (jetBlue).
- sebzim4500 4y agoIt depends a lot where you fly. In my experience, flying over Europe means the internet will almost certainly be spotty at best, whereas flying over the US means that it will probably work well enough to be useful.
- ezfe 4y agoI fly jetBlue a fair amount and the free Wi-Fi is a joke
- pb7 4y agoIt must have gone downhill since my last flight with them. I vividly remember getting something like 18 Mbps in a speed test and was shocked that they were giving it away. This article from 2017 confirms that it was 15 Mbps at one time: https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-travel-briefcase-airline-wifi-20171223-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-travel-briefcase-airl... It looks like they have since reduced the free tier to less than 1 Mbps and added a paid option that allows you to stream video.
- Pasorrijer 4y agoI'm curious how StarLink is handling the mod and certification aspects of this. It's not quite as easy as just slamming an antenna on the roof of an airplane.
- JoBrad 4y agoI’m guessing that $150k hardware fee is supposed to cover that.
- discordance 4y agoIt’s been solved by companies like Gogo and Vianet using Ku, Ka and L band antennas on planes. StarLink will package their antenna in a line replaceable unit (LRU).
- Pasorrijer 4y agoI'm aware it's been solved, my company did almost all of the engineering work in the US for in-flight WiFi mods. I'm sure Elon has a plan, but there's a difference between modding a gulf stream and devising an STC for production installation on 100+ aircraft.
- jiqiren 4y agoThey were already operating StarLink on Gulfstreams back in February with Elon tweeting they expected full FAA approval 6 months later: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1495320076135792644 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1495320076135792644 Hawaiian Airlines seems to be the first airline that will be ready when approval hits: https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/releases/hawaiian-airlines-to-offer-free-high-speed-starlink-internet-connectivity-on-transpacific-fleet https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/releases/hawaiian-airl...
- pjmq 4y agoThis would be excellent as part of a hybrid solution. Dynamically switching between standard ground to air and satellite to accommodate availability and bandwidth constraints.
- titzer 4y agoThey really missed an opportunity to cash in and call it Skynet.
- FeistySkink 4y agoAirbus has Skynet already. And it's a very generic name either way with multiple companies using it.
- bloqs 4y agoHate to be that guy, but this reference has "gone corpo" a long time ago and somwhat tired now. A number of companies/products have used it for "cool points" with now middle-aged men over the years.
- grishka 4y agoThere's an ISP called SkyNet in Russia. No satellites though, just regular ethernet cables.
- FL410 4y agoThis is a game changer. It works really, really well - better than I ever expected to see internet on a plane work. The price tag seems ridiculous, but will probably make sense for a lot of the operators of the planes on their initial STC.
- le-mark 4y agoI think the big customers are militaries of nation states. Satellite communications for military drones is a huge enabling technology.
- coryfklein 4y agoSurely they'll eventually be competing with Viasat for those juicy contracts with the major airlines as well. I won't be surprised if my Delta in-flight internet service is provided by Starlink in a few years. I suspect it wouldn't make any economic sense to retrofit existing planes, but potentially on their newly built ones!
- chrisbrndl 4y agoI have always enjoyed the time where there was no internet on an aircraft. It has been the only time when I could really be offline without having a slight guilty conscience.
- zokier 4y agoSure, airplanes are neat, but can we get good internet also on trains? Regular 4G/LTE doesn't work that great inside a metal box going 250km/h through countryside packed with hundreds of bored people wanting to use internet, nevermind all the EMI that the train might generate.
- infofarmer 4y agoAnecdotally, in China, 4G and 5G work quite decently on high-speed rail up to 300 km/h, and Shanghai maglev at 400 km/h. For publicity Huawei demonstrated sustained 40 Mbit/s on the maglev back in 2010 and they did similar stunts in 2019 for 5G.
- sidcool 4y agoIt says 350 Mbps per plane. How much does it translate to per seat? Say if all passengers start a video call or a S̶t̶a̶d̶i̶a̶ Nvidia GE force game, then?
- sneaky_verily 4y agoUsing the current fleet of Delta Air Lines as an example[0], they average ~180 seats per plane. If everyone on the plane was using the internet then that would be 1.9 Mbps per passenger. GeForce Now requires 15 Mbps for 720p 60fps[1]. If there was no other internet usage then 350 Mbps could support 23 15 Mbps streams. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_fleet#Current_fleet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_fleet#Current_... [1] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/geforce-now/system-reqs/#:~:text=GeForce%20NOW%20requires%20at%20least,connection%20or%205GHz%20wireless%20router https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/geforce-now/sy....
- aaronax 4y agoWrong way to think about it...never will "all passengers" be doing something. Same as any network (ISP, IDF closet, cell network, stadium, department store, etc.), you plan for oversubscription. Think 10:1 oversubscription for a starting point. So 180 passengers > 18 active users > 20mbps per active user. An airplane may have more active users if the service is free... A network that is not oversubscribed and provides full non-blocking throughput to downstream devices is by far the exception: high-end datacenter spine/leaf systems come to mind as an example.
- nharada 4y agoPersonally I feel that plane WiFi doesn't need to be that fast. If they can make it more reliable (especially over water) and with lower latency I'd be more than happy with it. I don't need to stream YouTube.
- DisjointedHunt 4y agoAs long as some rando doesn't start a livestream next to me on a long flight, this sounds amazing.
- stall84 4y agoGood lawd .. to have income to throw at a plane like that :0
- lgats 4y agoStarlink Aviation FAQ: https://support.starlink.com/topic?category=57 https://support.starlink.com/topic?category=57