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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody
- throwmamatrain 4y agoNHK World livestream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lYkdA-Gtw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lYkdA-Gtw
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- cwwc 4y agoUpdate 2: Kyodo News is reporting that local authorities say Abe is showing no vital signs
- JetAlone 4y agoThank you for these updates.
- tyleo 4y agoI imagine this will be front page. It would be nice if the link could be changed to a non-paywalled site. I recommend The Guardian though I’m mostly indifferent: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/shinzo-abe-former-japan-prime-minister-shot-during-speech-reports https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/shinzo-abe-for...
- eurasiantiger 4y agoThe Guardian’s reporting has had a distinct lean as of late. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/may/14/poisoned-legacy-why-the-future-of-power-cant-be-nuclear https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/may/14/poisoned-legac...
- r721 4y agoThis looks more like opinion piece (or book excerpt) though it's not marked as such - I mean it's by Serhii Plokhy, whose book is advertised in the end of the article.
- actuator 4y agoGuardian's reporting always had a very left lean, I am not sure if this is new. There is a section in left of environment activists which sees nuclear as very dangerous.
- cwwc 4y agoUpdate 3 from terminal: Jul 07 2022 23:10:51 By Ryotaro Nakamaru (Bloomberg) -- Former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was unconscious and unresponsive after he was apparently shot in the chest during a political event in the western city of Nara on Friday, national broadcaster NHK and local media reports said. Abe, 67, was apparently shot in the chest, national broadcaster NHK said, adding a man had been apprehended at the scene. The suspect appeared to be a young or middle-aged man, an NHK reporter said. Abe was rushed to a hospital and unconscious after the attack. He may have gone into cardiac arrest, Kyodo News reported, citing local firefighters. 07/07 23:17 ET Witnesses on NHK are saying that Abe was shot from behind. Abe took one step back at the first shot and fell at the second shot, they said. 07/07 23:24 ET Police have seized the gun, NHK is reporting. There is some confusion about the gun used, with one witness saying “it looked like a toy bazooka.” 07/07 23:24 ET The news reports are saying that Abe is in a state of cardiopulmonary arrest -- i.e. without vital signs. As only a doctor can pronounce someone dead, this is language often used by police before a confirmation is made. While we don’t have details yet, the language being used is not encouraging for Abe’s condition. Oh 07/07 23:36 photos of the shooter have emerged https://www.asahi.com/articles/photo/AS20220708001407.html?iref=pc_photo_gallery_1 https://www.asahi.com/articles/photo/AS20220708001407.html?i...
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- cwwc 4y agoAbe has apparently still not yet made it to a hospital, after being ‘ambulanced’ to a helicopter and then airlifted towards a hospital
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- sergiotapia 4y agoPolitically: what motives would the shooter have? I don't follow Japanese politics closely.
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- makeitdouble 4y agoIt’s aways complicated to look back at economic policies and come out with simple summaries, but the picture is in my opinion a tad darker than described. He was a pretty polarizing figure and “Abenomics” is used more as a cynically jab than praise in most public interventions we hear. For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abenomics#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abenomics#Results
- charlieyu1 4y agoAny economics policy will have winners and losers.
- makeitdouble 4y agoHis gov. was investigated for cooking the books on GDP, but even leaving that aside growth has been mostly flat [0] under his helm, while only stopping the previously rising wealth inequalities [1] So yes, he basically froze who would be the winners and losers for the span of his policy, and low income people didn't feel great about it. I have my gripes yet still think he was a more decent PM than many previous ones. It's really sad it comes down to an assassination in the end. [0] https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-growth https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-growth [1] https://wid.world/country/japan/ https://wid.world/country/japan/
- bamboozled 4y agoThere is a lot of unspoken of politicial struggles that go on in Japan, take this one for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanrizuka_Struggle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanrizuka_Struggle. It's not just a totally peaceful place as many believe. Also, people are economically in a pretty bad place here, borders are still closed with no sign of opening. It might be a long shot but Abenomics was all about making Japan a "service economy", that relied heavily on tourism. No tourists, no money. Maybe a link there? Maybe Yakuza? Maybe the guy was just totally crazy and had trouble getting mental health assistance (which is also hard to get in Japan). Japan is basically a one party state, it's advertised as a democracy but it's not really. I guess people feel desperate and there's no sign of any healthy change on the horizon. I guess that might be part of it too. Shinzo Abe was a leader of the LDP which is the dominate party with no sign of that changing within the next few decades. It could feel oppressive for people. Condolences to his family and friends.
- bamboozled 4y agoAccording to local news, it seems he has died.
- cwwc 4y agoYes, unfortunately — that’s what’s on HK news too
- cyphar 4y agoHe hasn't been pronounced dead, but they are saying it seems he has no vital signs (心肺停止か).
- guidedlight 4y agoIn Japan people are officially declared dead in hospital. The media will often report clearly dead people as being in a state of "carido-pulmonary arrest".
- cyphar 4y agoYou're quite right, though the police said that he was still conscious and responsive when he was put into the ambulance and the government is only saying his condition is "severe and he's lost consciousness": > 警察当局によりますと、安倍元総理大臣は、救急搬送される際には意識があり、呼びかけにも応じていたということです。 > 政府関係者はNHKの取材に対し「意識はなく容態はかなり悪いという報告を現場から受けている」と話しています。 But if he still hasn't reached hospital, it seems pretty dire. It seems very possible he's already died. EDIT: And now the government is saying they don't know his current condition[1]: > 松野官房長官は総理大臣官邸で記者団に対し「安倍元総理大臣の容態は現在のところ不明で、引き続き確認中だ」と述べました。 [1]: https://twitter.com/nhk_news/status/1545258464179535872 https://twitter.com/nhk_news/status/1545258464179535872
- Legogris 4y agoFrom NHK World, "no vital signs".
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- podiki 4y agoWow, especially in a country like Japan with so few guns and gun violence, this is especially shocking.
- aksss 4y agoGuns are very primitive tech by today’s standards. Someone who has crossed ethical/moral hurdles of deciding to take other peoples’ lives will see prohibition as a speed bump.
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- aaron695 4y agoFrom the picture the gun is homemade - https://twitter.com/bulletinletters/status/1545250210682732544/photo/2 https://twitter.com/bulletinletters/status/15452502106827325... https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1545249495398719488/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/15452494953987194... Standard pipe gun with I'd guess homemade ammunition, gunpowder and ball bearings.
- nonethewiser 4y agoArent those illegal?
- King-Aaron 4y agoWhat kind of inane question is this.
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- tjpnz 4y agoJapan's justice system has it's flaws just like everywhere else, but they absolutely don't sweep crime under the rug.
- 3np 4y agoThe justice system may not but various other authorities certainly do.
- kafkaesque 4y agoYou should talk to Zainichi Koreans that live there more. This may be a difficult point to take in a community that views most things based on numbers and data.
- tjpnz 4y agoI've never interacted with a Zainichi Korean but as a foreigner who's reported a crime I can assure you that it was dealt with.
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- tjpnz 4y ago>Please stop posting if you have never interacted with the biggest minority in Japan. Then perhaps you should amend your original statement about "most" crimes being swept under the rug.
- kafkaesque 4y agoHow do you reconcile intersectionality and systemic racism with low crime rates in Japan?
- zzleeper 4y agoA few reddit comments pointed that the gun was a shotgun, the arrested suspect was in his 40s and presumably an NCO in JSDF. Nothing about motivation yet, just that he surrendered after the two shots
- solarmist 4y agoI was wondering if he might be JSDF.
- uhryks 4y agohttps://twitter.com/jessicadrun/status/1545260826038358017 https://twitter.com/jessicadrun/status/1545260826038358017 if this is the source for the JSDF info, yeah you can call it fake news already. Especially when the gun looks very much handmade.
- solarmist 4y agoThe most surprising thing here is that he was shot. How does someone even get a gun in Japan? Number two is he’s the exPM, so what would shooting him gain?
- laurieg 4y agoWhile the gun laws are strict, you can get a licence for hunting or sport. Requirements include testing, demonstration of safe usage, separate safes for gun and ammunition and possible random police checks on your gun and storage. Shotguns are most common. Rifles are rarer but possible with a history of ownership of a shotgun.
- solarmist 4y agoSure, but I assume this wasn't out in the countryside either. I can't imagine it would be easy to get close with a shotgun or rifle.
- cyphar 4y agoIt was in Nara which is a reasonably big city but has lots of surrounding rural areas. According to NHK, police are saying it may have been a shotgun (the article has been edited multiple times and it's even less sure of that then when I left my comment).
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- markus_zhang 4y agoWhat happens now? Abe is not only an expm but also head of a political group.
- brutusborn 4y agoThey find a new head?
- matt_daemon 4y agoOne of the darker reasons I've been pulled into an operational call about order drops in a region's marketplace...
- 2143 4y agoDo you have some numbers (of course, only if you're willing and allowed to share them)? Curious to know what's the usual on a normal day, and how much it dipped.
- zzleeper 4y agoSorry for the ignorance but what's an order drop?
- phnofive 4y agoA dip in the rate of orders being placed, often signifying some part of the checkout flow having slowed or broken.
- refulgentis 4y agoSo OnCall is mandatory for Amazon engineers and you will literally get paged just because some stat drops, not that it goes to 0? And there's no human in the loop for a basic sanity check? Sounds awful
- djbusby 4y agoThe pager is bringing humans in for the sanity check.
- mjr00 4y ago"Some stat" here translates to millions, maybe tens of millions of dollars every minute at Amazon scale. If you were running a business and suddenly started losing a million dollars a minute, wouldn't you like to have someone investigate why that's happening?
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- fithisux 4y agoIn other news (Japan to start jailing people for online insults) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32011600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32011600 I think this is not a coincidence. We are back at mid 30s.
- astrange 4y agoJapan has crazy intense cyberstalkers who will show up in real life; several online celebrities (streamers etc) have had to retire because of it, and there's famous cases of suicide due to online bullying, including a recent one of a star in Terrace House.
- suyash 4y agoThis is really sad, he was a great leader of the world's top country Japan!
- morninglight 4y agoIf the assailant had a reasoned motive, it might be Abe's relentless push to re-militarize Japan. I heard this voiced often. However, I found this mostly among elderly people with memory of the war. This guy too looks young. Maybe he is just a nut.
- wirthjason 4y agoAnd after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.
- chii 4y agoMy take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence is societal issues, not the guns themselves. Solve those societal issues (hard, and likely almost intractable unfortunately), or gun violence will persist.
- mullingitover 4y ago> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to afford to pay >$20k for that gun...you've probably got your life together and aren't going on shooting sprees.
- vlovich123 4y agoThat’s not how gun buy back programs work. Hint they don’t and never have. It’s the same as what happened to that town that tried to solve their rat problem by paying people to bring rat heads. Some enterprising townsfolk started breeding rats.
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- kepler1 4y agoPardon me for making an outsider's observation, but it appears to me that in Japan you have either extremely safe and no crime / complete safety and courtesy (most of the time), or 0.1% of the time some guy goes off his rocker and kills many, many people or something like this.
- bigDinosaur 4y agoThere's no place anywhere ever where nobody ever 'goes off their rocker'.
- franciscop 4y agoNo they don't "kill many people", you do hear about the eventual "knife attack" but the death victims are normally 0-5. In this particular case, which is already an exception because of a handmade gun (apparently) instead of a knife, there's 1 single victim and it's still unknown whether Abe will survive. Edit: as someone living in Japan. Maybe not living here you do only hear about the once in 5-10 years attacks where there are more victims, but living in here you hear about an attack once-twice a year and they are pretty mild as I explained.
- Aeolun 4y agoYeah, like the guy that went off his rocker half a year back, and burned 30ish people to death in his psychiatric clinic. Or the other guy that was probably the inspiration for that and burned down the Kyoto animation office (34 deaths). Not all of them are pretty mild. To be fair, not a weekly event like in the US either.
- kepler1 4y agoI was thinking about the arson attacks (Kyoto and Osaka, and others) and some mass stabbings.
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- anshumankmr 4y agoThis is a terrible tragedy. Shinzo Abe seemed like a good man. I hope he pulls through, though reading the comments here makes it seem less likely.
- foobaw 4y agowe should all mourn this tragedy but do not paint this guy as a good man. He is a historical revisionist.
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- hunterb123 4y agoWould you like to expand your criticism? I see a lot of vague hate for him here and biased links being posted. What exactly is your issue with him? Without using buzzwords like "historic revisionist" or "far-right, ultra-racist". - edit - Mainly people are saying he's racist because he visited Yasukini Shrine that honors the dead from Japan's wars when he resigned to "inform the spirits". It's not like visiting a "Nazi elite general" grave like another user made an analogy of. This is all ridiculous and you people are despicable and disgusting for making slanderous claims especially at a time like this. Terrible.
- sofixa 4y agoHe is, like many other Japanese, hell bent on rewriting Japanese history with a positive spin, completely ignoring or at best downplaying their colonisation atrocities before and during WW2. Wasn't he the one who went to a shrine to a "WW2 hero" who also just happened to be a war criminal? Historic revisionism is an apt description, not a "buzzword".
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- daenz 4y agoMay you live in interesting times
- kafkaesque 4y agoA good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right
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- fithisux 4y agoFar-left? He was trying to reverse the clock for Japan.
- xupybd 4y agoI think he was talking about the magazine the article was written in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine) "Jacobin is a magazine aimed at the American Left based in New York. It offers socialist perspectives on politics, economics and culture. As of 2021, the magazine reported a paid print circulation of 75,000 and over 3 million monthly visitors" "Jacobin has been variously described as democratic socialist, socialist and Marxist." I think it's fair to say they are Far-left by definition. Unfortunately that is often used as a slur but I think it is accurate in this case.
- kapp_in_life 4y agoThe Jacobin is a far left rag.
- new299 4y agoI don't think much of what it written in that article is up for debate? You can check his wikipedia page for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzo_Abe#Political_positions_and_philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzo_Abe#Political_positions... "Abe is affiliated with the openly ultranationalist organization Nippon Kaigi (Japan Conference). He is considered a right-wing populist and ultra-conservative within the LDP, and some media and books have referred to him as a far-right politician" There were also numerous scandals during his tenure, most of which were not widely reported outside Japan... but, an example is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritomo_Gakuen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moritomo_Gakuen "In March 2018, it was revealed that the finance ministry (with finance minister Tarō Asō at its head) had falsified documents presented to the parliament in relation to the Moritomo Gakuen scandal, to remove 14 passages implicating Abe."
- DerekL 4y agoThe title doesn't match that of the article, “Former Japan PM Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody”. The word assassinated is incorrect, because that means that he was killed. (Maybe he is dead, but the article doesn't say that.)
- loeg 4y agoWaPo claims that "NHK reported that the 67-year-old was showing no vital signs." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/07/japan-shinzo-abe-shot-nara-attack/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/07/japan-shinzo...
- 3np 4y agoStill, not declared dead. It doesn't look hopeful, though.
- beebmam 4y agoIf he has no vital signs at his age, he's dead. Very few people make it back from CPR, and if they do they're usually going to suffer serious consequences for the rest of their life from it.
- dredmorbius 4y agoAs numerous news services are reporting (e.g., the account I heard a minute ago on BBC World Service, also The Guardian, BBC's website, NY Times), as well as numerous comments in this thread, it's noted that "cardiac arrest" is often used to describe a patient/victim who has not yet been officially declared dead, but would be very likely to not be in a recoverable condition. It's a very grave state in any event.
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- Mandatum 4y agoLive-translated press conference, starting in 4 mins: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/ EDIT: Delayed a few minutes. Given Shinzo JUST arrived at hospital, they're likely seeing if he's coded before announcing.
- Legogris 4y agoUpdate from NHK: The apprehended suspect is identified as Tetsuya Yamagami (41), a Nara resident. According to sources from the defense ministry, he was employed by the Maritime Self-Defense Forces for ~3y until 2005. Weapon seems to be homemade. No updates on Abe's status since a 13:30 update from the local fire department. He's injured in chest- and neck areas, has internal bleeding and did not show vital signs. 14:40: PM Kishida arrived at the PM residence by helicopter ~10minutes ago and is currently in discussions. A press conference is expected soon. 14:46: Police: Suspect Yamagami says he was frustrated with what ex-PM Abe was doing and approached him with the intent of killing him. 14:49: Live announcement from (a doubly understandably very sweaty and intermittently sobbing but surprisingly composed) PM Kishida: Abe is in critical condition. Hopes and prayers. Elections are ongoing. Unforgivable act. Doctors are working hard to save Abe. Not appropriate to address the political situation at this moment and I am not comfortable to do so. Cabinet members convening in Tokyo and work to be ready for any outcome. I do not have full information to be able to make any further detailed comments.
- res0nat0r 4y agoShizno Abe has died: https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1545329491362598914 https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1545329491362598914 Terrible.
- Legogris 4y ago~17:50: Ex-PM Abe officially pronounced dead.
- frays 4y agoDevastating news. Rest in peace.
- phantomathkg 4y agoexact time, 17:03. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-ex-prime-minister-abe-may-have-been-shot-taken-hospital-nhk-2022-07-08/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-ex-prime-mi...
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- kazinator 4y agoJust watched report on ANNNewsCH (Youtube). He has a bullet wound on the right side of the neck, and also internal/subcutaneous bleeding on the left side of the chest. (I heard it as 左の胸の皮下出血). Here is an interesting tidbit: ...また、男が銃を撃つ瞬間を見たと言う女性は、男は撃った後も冷静だったと話しています。 Also, a woman who says she witnessed the moment when the suspect fired the gun says that after firing he was calm/composed.
- Markoff 4y agoThe site is giving me 404. Btw. shooter used home made (shot)gun, so I guess we should ban steel pipes and wood to play it safe.
- brokenodometer 4y agoMaybe we just start with banning 30 round magazines?
- djmips 4y agoUpdate: He has died. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-08/former-japan-pm-abe-collapses-after-shots-heard https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-08/former-j...
- djmips 4y agoUpdate: Former Japan PM Abe Dies After Being Shot https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-08/former-japan-pm-abe-collapses-after-shots-heard https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-08/former-j...