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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia
- netfortius 5y agoSome good reading @NANOG, like https://archive.nanog.org/meetings/nanog32/presentations/soricelli.pdf https://archive.nanog.org/meetings/nanog32/presentations/sor...
- Aachen 5y ago[pdf] (HN hides the last bit of the URL)
- charlieyu1 5y agoDoubt the effectiveness. Modern day internet architecture is very secure. Script kiddies spamming DDOS with zombie networks may well be more damaging
- zionic 5y agoAh, the days of 4chan LOIC threads…
- wolverine876 5y ago> Modern day internet architecture is very secure. Seriously? That doesn't seem to match the outcomes of regular breeches, 0-days, etc. - many reported right here. The state of security is often considered terrible and unrepairable; experts advise assuming you have been breeched.
- chaxor 5y agoAh, yes. Things are so terrible now. Definitely not like the days in which http didnt have TLS, and NFS was used over the internet. All credentials and secrets free of any in transit encryption. Much more secure back then.
- bashwizard 5y agoThis made me giggle like a little girl. Oh sweet summer child...
- atdrummond 5y agoIn my haste scrolling through the headlines, I initially read this as the Velvet Underground rather than hacker underground. Given that only Cale is left standing I was very concerned what Zelensky and the Ukraine government thought a single Welsh musician could do against the might of the Russian military.
- WaxProlix 5y agohttps://archive.fo/DUwoa https://archive.fo/DUwoa
- imwillofficial 5y agoInteresting, I wonder how hack groups have comms and form groups over stuff like this. I’m not plugged into the hacker underground, how does it work?
- RotaryTelephone 5y agoNice try, FBI.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoWouldn't it more likely be FSB? “Hello my fellow Americans!”
- imwillofficial 5y agoJust always been blue team. Always curious about the dark side
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- 58x14 5y agoThings are pretty ad-hoc, peer to peer. Sometimes signal, sometimes old-fashioned irc (usually people have their own clients for e2e). Pubkeys are often shared around more general discussion on onion boards. It's easy to personify what we could call "brands" like Anonymous, but the reality is there are many "tribes" who range in size and culture, frequently working collectively towards disrupting power structures.
- greggh 5y agoReally well said. I like the tribes analogy.
- nivekastoreth 5y agoIt’s rather straight forward: You first get in touch with Razor and Blade, you can find them DJing at the local night club, and they make a series of calls and the hackers of the world unite around them. This was covered in the 1995 documentary “Hackers”
- joeman1000 5y agoI’d like to get involved but have cursory ‘hacking’ knowledge. I’m handy with a terminal and can program. Would I be of use?
- MathCodeLove 5y ago> $ cp ./russia/mil/intelligence ./Desktop
- malux85 5y ago-r
- edgyquant 5y agoNah its just one file
- andrethegiant 5y agomv
- elorant 5y agoUnless you're accustomed with hardening or breaking into systems you won't be of any help. You could certainly volunteer though if you wish.
- Uhhrrr 5y agoIt seems like a fine place to practice.
- pcwalton 5y agoIf you have to ask, lone wolf behavior is more likely to end up with you in jail than to do anything that helps Ukraine. If you are serious and are a citizen of a signatory to NATO, consider enlisting with your country's cyber force.
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- awb 5y agoAnonymous is supposedly joining the cyber war: https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496954233492541444 https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496954233492541444 https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039 https://twitter.com/YourAnonOne/status/1496965766435926039 They are claiming responsibility for taking down RT.com and some other Russian sites.
- throwaway48375 5y agoAny time someone refers to Anonymous as if they are actually some kind of cohesive group it's a clear indicator they have no idea what they are talking about.
- btheshoe 5y agoisn't anonymous just a loose affiliation of people on 4chan though? Kind of strange to claim that the whole collective is doing something.
- exdsq 5y agoAnd even then it’s mostly a bunch of kids larping
- moron4hire 5y agoThat's all it ever was
- raspberry1337 5y ago4chan is so big these days, a mere board like /pol/ will have 30 million unique IP visits per month, that is (perhaps unfortunately) more than just kids these days. It's the main free speech board of the internet, it draws people from all over the world.
- james-redwood 5y agoIt’s nowhere near that big.
- krapp 5y agoSomeone get the hacker known as 4chan on the phone!
- gunfighthacksaw 5y agoThe internet FREEDOM machine
- Trasmatta 5y agoWhere's LulzSec when you need them? If they still have all 7 proxies, then they'd be unstoppable.
- Nursie 5y agoPrison? It didn't end well for them IIRC.
- psyc 5y agoIt did not. FBI turned Sabu, and he rolled on the rest.
- DoItToMe81 5y agoSQL injecting script kiddies can't take out a nation state. Sorry.
- Trasmatta 5y ago(It was a joke)
- greggh 5y agoDriving to his house in my yellow van now.
- eshack94 5y agoWhere's Aram from The Blacklist when you need him?
- simne 5y agoI'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and does not account on people. And laws are created, to make all people offenders, and with very wide possibilities of interpretation, so state officials and their friends become above law. If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. Business opportunities much better, because Ukraine now have critically huge dependence on Russian market, close to 50% of all trade, need much-much more export to world. Thank You!
- eatbitseveryday 5y ago> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this would help in the short time. Maybe investing would help over the years; if Russia invades, investments may not help avoid the consequences?
- TameAntelope 5y agoAm I the only one who thinks this is well intentioned but kind of silly? I don’t know a lot about this space, but I don’t know especially how many skills translate from offense to defense. Is this basically just a call for folks to turn in their 0days and access or something? Seems wt least marginally more useful than trying to train up a bunch of script kiddies to fight GRU…
- pueblito 5y agoI think this is just to provide cover for US offensive cyber operations
- Aeolun 5y agoIf you have the gov on your side they can become honorary ukrainian citizens overnight.
- waffle_maniac 5y agoBe careful when going outside. A cyber attack might be in progress! But what actually would be good cyber warfare is hacking Putin’s family. Notoriously private and says his family is off limits and he never talks about them. I’m sure his kids aren’t normal like he claims.
- HWR_14 5y agoJohn Oliver found his daughters dance/gymnastic performance and aired it a few years ago as part of something. For the daughter of a billionaire dictator, John Oliver made her sound fairly normal.
- sofixa 5y agoDo you have a link or name or number of the episode? > For the daughter of a billionaire dictator, John Oliver made her sound fairly normal Most people are fairly normal :) Not every rich powerful kid goes full Uday Hussein.
- torgian 5y ago
- cfcf14 5y agoIt's not clear what we can actually do to help. I work as a web-sec machine learning researcher, and I'd like to help. But anything I can do is probably illegal in my country or a breach of contract with my employer :(
- wolverine876 5y agoContact your country's lawful security forces? It should give you legal and career protection.
- ppaagi 5y agoI find it interesting how often the reason "but that's illegal" comes up since I've moved to Germany. In France : sure, we generally keep to the law because that is the point, but when a situation calls for crossing a red light because it's 1am, you're on foot, there's no one on the road in sight or hearing distance, and your last train is about to leave, you bet virtually everyone would make that judgment call and cross the street independently (in germany it would really depend on the person from my impression). It's tricky, though, talking about illegal things online. I feel like the internet was more free ten years ago. If anything was illegal then you put a "for educational purposes" disclaimer on it but the information was available or hypotheticals could be discussed fairly freely. People can think for themselves if they want to put anything into action, and might decide more based on morals than, say, their employer's contract. Indeed one does not hack russia, inform their employer in writing, and advertise their name in the tcp handshake in case they want to send them vodka. How would you act if it was your country being attacked, would you still think "but that's illegal" ? Not saying that, thus, you must now do something illegal. I don't want to push you in either direction. But if you want to do this by your own morals (not anyone else morals) then, well, that's the thing the submission is calling for, not for consulting with your employer because their legal department is going to tell you to not do anything ever.
- dschulz 5y agoProbably I'm just naive but I really don't understand this cyber warfare theater. Why aren't all internet operators in the free world just blackholing all russian ASNs (complete with the other allied bullies) from the internet routing tables? Wouldn't this be enough to avert all the nasty attacks on critical infrastructure?
- charles_f 5y agoThat would cut off the libgen though, so I'm against that.
- HWR_14 5y agoIn the case of a hot war involving hundreds of thousands of troops and the 4th vs 7th largest militaries, maybe free access to papers isn't the most pressing issue.
- raxxorrax 5y agoKeeping as much communications channels open is of severe strategic interest. Transparency is a weapon of democracy. In the age of information media images can help in a war and cutting off any lines would only solidify the grasp of domestic propaganda for everyone.
- HWR_14 5y agoThere's a balancing act there. Open communications are strategic. However, bidirectional communication that can be used for cyberattacks is a weakness. I mean, how much citizen-to-citizen communication to Russians is worth compared to the cost and probability of a well-organized cyberattack.
- charles_f 5y agoThat was obviously a very serious comment I made.
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- pjot 5y agoPutin'); DROP DATABASE RUSSIA; --
- bink 5y agoThis thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem is that the US, unlike Russia, will not simply agree to allow attacks against foreign targets so long as its suits their strategic purposes. And I suppose that's for the best. In the meantime, myself and people like me simply aren't going to risk our entire careers to retaliate. I suppose if we felt strongly enough we would've joined the NSA and done this legally. I wish Ukraine the best and hope our "official" hackers are doing their best to assist or will be unleashed soon.
- tunnuz 5y agoCan you support by training people?
- stickfigure 5y agoI think it's reasonable to assume that for at least the next few months, you have a strange form of "diplomatic immunity" for attacks in Russia. No jury in the US would convict you, even in the unlikely event someone wanted to prosecute (which would be political suicide here). So, have at it.
- mlac 5y agoRecognize two more things if you do this: 1) you will never be able to travel to Russia or a Russian controlled territory. Ever. 2) you will always be at risk for a hack-back or other issues when the dust settles and they seek revenge.
- bitexploder 5y agoNot that I would ever apply my considerable talents to this purpose, but seriously, who from the west would ever go to Russia in the next few years without family ties causing one to do so. I don’t think that is a tangible consequence for most of us capable of waging a cyber security attack in a nation state.
- Overtonwindow 5y agoWhat would a cyber attack look like? Moscow power blackout? Satellite/communication interference?
- zamalek 5y agoThis does bring up the idea of "information sanctions." How adversely would Russia be impacted if NATO just black-holed or reflected all their traffic?
- 8bitchemistry 5y agoSeriously, I would love to hear Edward Snowden's opinion. Not much on his twitter about it though.
- csee 5y agoHe blamed the US media for stoking tensions in the lead up to the invasion. Then silence.
- 8bitchemistry 5y agoPerhaps he doesn't want to find a new place to live, in contrast to Assange and Moreno.
- bink 5y agoDoes he even have a valid passport? Doesn't seem like he even has the option.
- sofixa 5y agoHe could get a Nansen passport. But i don't see which country would take him, so it's torture/jail in the US or silence.
- csee 5y agoSure I get the silence but there was no need to blame the US media in the first place. Silence in the first place would have been fine for the Kremlin.
- Aachen 5y agoGiven that people here are apparently specifically looking at Ed's words, maybe it wouldn't though. The first thing to die in war is the truth, I've heard said. The Russians need all the good publicity they can get, every bit they can reduce blame or normalize the actions is going to result in lesser sanctions. Ed might have been politely asked and realized it was not a question or suggestion; we don't know.
- fortran77 5y agoIt’s always interesting seeing which sides Hacker News readers take.
- Aachen 5y agoAnd the passive tone at which those of contrarian opinions express their doubts. Just say it outright so we can have an actual conversation, do you not think that Ukraine is the victim?
- langsoul-com 5y agoCalls for help is pointless. Without money, nothing big will move. Given the Crimea conflict lasted 8 years, pure motivation without pay won't survive that.
- ck2 5y agoI guess in this era every little thing "helps" like imaging something on the internet changes something but other than "boots on the ground" START SEIZING PHYSICAL ASSETS. Only oligarchs are going to stop Putin and the only way to get them to do anything is take away all their toys in every other country. Take their yachts, take all those apartments like in Florida and New York. Take them all. Sanctions unfortunately also splatter and punish the rest of the people in Russia who have zero control over this. But you take their yachts and real-estate in every other country, suddenly there is some motivation where it counts.
- lurquer 5y agoThis is clearly illegal in the US. Both under the ‘hacking’ laws as well as under laws prohibiting private citizens from interfering in international diplomacy. Really surprised such a thread is permitted on HN.
- harryvederci 5y agoI don't see how it's illegal for a president to ask people from his own country to fill in a form to see if they can volunteer. Can you elaborate?
- quickthrower2 5y agoNot everyone reads the article
- hluska 5y agoI’m not American and haven’t been in the United States in several years. Why should a foreign country’s laws impact what I read? Going even further, a democratically elected leader asked their citizens to help. Once again, why does American law matter?? Does America claim sovereignty over Ukraine now too??
- jollybean 5y agoJust like nobody would even talk about Nord Stream 1, or EU didn't want to cancel Swift, and EU leader is literally talking about a 'pretty lit up building' in 'support of Ukraine' - while Ukraine is begging for weapons ... I'm wary that this is a little too late. If you want to help, call your Senator and demand that they supply Ukraine with as many Javelins and Stingers as they can, unlimited small arms, equipment and medical supplies, naval defence missiles, mobile surface to air missiles with radars, drone and possibly some cruise missiles. And then for the US to scuttle a few Russian ships and blockade all of their ports. And then to sabotage their infra, their internet, their pipelines, railroads and electricity. Because that would actually be useful. The events unfolding right now are as big as 9/11 and we will witness similar tensions over Taiwan. After the loss of Hong Kong and 'cutting losses' in Afghanistan - and a global pandemic - it's vey bad for the world. I'm wary that reading headlines on seems a whole lot less meaningful than it did a few days ago. Folks, I remember the tail end of the Cold War as a kid and it was not a happy time. I remember when the Berlin Wall came down and the USSR collapsed it was like a giant global fear lifted from everything. We used to make movies and TV shows all the time about global nuclear annihilation. I believe that's why maybe GenX and Boomers are less afraid of 'Climate Change' - because it's something we can and will eventually conquor - we've been there before. But living with an intransigent Russia who is hinting and 'things which have never been seen' (aka some kind of nukes) while invading a country - and having the West mostly twiddle their thumbs and watch, is ominous for what it means in the future. We could see another few generations of really existential angst, where, once it sets into everyone's psyche's, we kind of 'forget' what normal peace feels like. I don't think hacking is the thing at this point.
- chrissnell 5y agoGreat comment, particularly your summation of the 1980s Cold War zeitgeist. It was very real for our generation and nuclear war drills and fallout shelters were part of the life for school kids in many places, especially my South Texas town with its (then) five military bases. I don’t agree with you on blockading Russia or escalating conflict over Ukraine but it will be a different situation if Russia makes a move on Estonia or Latvia or—God forbid—Poland. For me, my response to increasing global instability is the same as it was during the riots of 2020: get the heck out of cities, especially coastal cities. It’s not going to get better any time soon. In a small town in a flyover state, I can at least grow my own food and raise my own family with minimal worry about the outside world, aside from diesel prices.
- fasteddie31003 5y agoIt would be a shame if some hackers combined opencv, a camera, a raspberrypi, drone parts and buck shot shells into something useful to defend against mean helicopters.
- vladcodes 5y agoPlease help to remove a separatist outrage symbolic https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0173GKOM2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AHWWEP9MMPV4O&psc=1 https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0173GKOM2/ref=ox_sc_act_ti... The item represents a pseudo-flag with a separatist connotation and outrages the Flag of Ukraine. Namely: the russian coat of arms on the National Flag of Ukraine with a provoking "Odesa Republic" (Одесская Республика) и "Novorossia" ("Новороссия") or "New Russia" labels. This is NOT acceptable and the only usage of the item is separatism agitation, the outrage of the Ukrainian national symbols. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya_(confederation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya_(confederation)
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- oblio 5y agoIt's down, already ;-)
- jxramos 5y agolooks like that link is down now. > Sorry! We couldn't find that page. Try searching or go to Amazon's home page.
- LeFantome 5y agoThe only sanction that has enough teeth to so anything is to remove Russia from SWIFT. Without Germany’s backing, this will not happen. In addition to boycotting Russia, citizens of the world should be boycotting German products until they agree to ban Russia from SWIFT. Putin is risking World War III and Germany has decided to let it slide to avoid some short-term economic pain. Not cool.
- aic5 5y agoRemoving Russia from SWIFT is the financial equivalent of a nuclear option. It will block Russian banks and businesses to receive or pay for goods and services in the short term, effectively cutting them from the rest of the world. The message that weaponizing SWIFT will send is that the platform is no longer as reliable for financial purposes. In the long term, it will increase the interest for alternative solutions that will further fragment payments and markets. Bankers do not like uncertainty. They will find ways around this restriction and likely keep the alternatives. If this happens, SWIFT is not coming back to Russia when this is over.
- randomsearch 5y agoIf what you said were true, western countries would not be divided on this issue. It just so happens that Germany are being cowardly over this issue, and the Germans are dependent on Russian energy.
- imhoguy 5y agoNone of countries which depend on gas/oil from Russia would like it, included Ukraine, Baltic states, Poland and so on who pay them everyday. Blocking Russia from SWIFT would kill half of EU economy.
- raxxorrax 5y agoSWIFT was already questioned when it was already used against Iran, a supposed exception. The service relies on neutrality towards any transaction, it is not a vehicle for war. Many Russian banks are already under sanction.
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- rawoke083600 5y agoYou forgot the clear as mud webpack configs ! :D
- expertjshn 5y agoChange of plans, sir. Huge fight just started in my Javascript community - someone just pushed a new version of some extension and it's now injecting ads. Big drama sir. I'll report to duty next week - need to post angry emojis on the project's github repo till then.
- optimalsolver 5y agoHopefully Russian cyberforces have never heard of uBlock Origin or NoScript.
- carabiner 5y agoYou have my portscanner.
- rdevsrex 5y agoIf people from around the world could go to Spain or Finland in the 30's to fight, I don't see much of a difference today.
- joseloyaio 5y agoPerfect shield for NATO/US to launch state-level cyberattack without attribution. It was random hackers-4-hire after all!
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- somecommit 5y agoSure, they will know it's starting to be serious, when they will see defaced wordpress all over pop-and-mom russian businesses
- berkes 5y agoI realize you are probably joking (which is rather insensitive in a situation where actual people are dying). But yes. It would help. It would hurt those that are a victim of the war already most, though. The Russian economy is hurt bad. This will reach moms&pops soon, if not already. Leading to unrest, potential bankrun, local protests and even deserting of troops. If you believe putting up Russian people against Russian authorities helps, then taking the livelihood or extra income of thousands of these people, will be adding to unrest.
- brutal_chaos_ 5y agoWe hear you.
- maury91 5y agoCurrently Russia is suppressing all the civil protests against war in their own country, and they go as far to make people go to jail for just tweeting about it. If it will be possible to use hacking or similar techniques to generate noise so: 1. Who wants to protest is harder to detect online ( i.e. can be arrested only once in square actually protesting ) 2. The information about Russians protesting against war spreads to how many Russians as possible, so every person that wants to join will know and will can I believe protests in Russia can help resolving this situation. Unfortunately I don't have any knowledge on how to help with this possible plan, but in this thread there're people with that knowledge
- bleuchase 5y ago> Currently Russia is suppressing all the civil protests against war in their own country, and they go as far to make people go to jail for just tweeting about it. Sounds remarkably similar to the actions of western governments in response to recent protests about mandates. But now Russia bad so forget all that.
- ciphol 5y agoA general comment on cyberwarfare. The Russian government/military is probably one of the most formidable cyberwarfare forces in the world (a quick googling lists US, UK, China, Russia, Israel as the top 5 cyberwarfare states, and I assume no non-state organization compares). One would expect them to have deployed their cyberwarfare "forces" against Ukraine. And yet the results were... pretty minimal? Internet traffic went down by ~30% in Kharkiv for a few hours. Have there been any other consequences? Yes it is possible that Ukrainian military communications were disrupted in a way that is not publicly visible. But none of the things people worried about like the electric grid, cell network, transportation, power plants seem to have been affected. So is cyberwarfare really just a minor concern if a country has basic defenses?
- sofixa 5y agoWeren't a bunch of Ukrainian banks hit just before the invasion? Also there's reportedly a malware that wipes your disk currently spreading in Ukraine.
- zild3d 5y ago> And yet the results were... pretty minimal? I wouldn't assume the "results" would be very visible or civilian facing. More along the lines of accessing military systems, intercepting communications, etc.
- jeffrallen 5y agoIf there was any justice in this world, hackers would compromise SWIFT and do what the EU is too cowardly to do.
- danuker 5y agoWill that result in more or less suffering overall?
- jeffrallen 5y agoWar is stupid. Once you've been stupid enough to get into a war, you have to make a bunch of stupid choices.
- dealis 5y ago
- DyslexicAtheist 5y agoI wish there would be more people could do than "protest". Inside Russia the Kremlin eliminated most voices of opposition journalists. Those in power now are only hard-line Putin cronies. The NGO's have been expelled, the media silenced or murdered, and anyone who could be a strong contender to take Putin's place is in jail. They have sent murderers to Europe to carry out assassinations, downed a civilian aircraft, infiltrated our political systems by funding racists and fringe-group fuck-mongers, and continue to laugh at us for being weak simply because we prefer diplomacy over violence. If you're living in Russia and the only thing you're prepared to do is protest then have at it if it eases your mind. But if you have some skills you could do a lot more if you really wanted to help: - leak financial records, - if you have access to ICS take them down It would help see bank details, company formation documents, info on shell companies, or transactions between RU based shells and Cypriot, Maltese, London banks. You could help highlighting old stories that haven't aged well - that show how Europe is still complicit by not having acted over the past decades other than with "a frown, a concern, or a stern warning" here some stories but there are actually dozens of high traffic headlines for every country: - Arron Banks & Nigel Farrage using Russian money to finance Brexit, - Austrian politician Kneissel inviting Putin to dance at her wedding, - Gerhard Schröder and many in German politics parachuting into board seats of Russian businesses. - Marine Le Pen accepting Russian money to fund her racist party - Russian stooges inside the GOP, ... We need to throw shit at those responsible in our own countries to make it clear what happens if you defend dirty Russian money under the pretense of diplomacy. asap and reject Russian, ban all Russian state media from Tech platforms, etc. I'm afraid that any form of help which goes beyond mere lip service will never be accepted by Europeans (or US) because it means accept some risk/suffering ourselves. And Putin has many people in EU / US / UK government who own him a favor. Also don't remove Russian banks from SWIFT because this hits mostly the lower income groups and not those strutting around EU capitals with their Chanel bags and designer clothes who anyway have their assets tied up in EU real estate. To fix this we have to set the offshore financial system on fire and have more transparency over who the beneficiaries are in inbound/outbound financial transactions. Also if you have the stomach and skills then hunt down people close to the Russian state pretending to have a civilian life in Europe. This includes RU embassy employees, employees of RU state media who been poisoning our own culture with propaganda for years. Nobody who works for a country that fires missiles at Europe shall ever feel safe in a European country. The West (and especially Europe) must speak a language that they understand. Time for diplomacy is over when war goes kinetic.
- sega_sai 5y agoI certainly sympathise much with that call, given the west is basically saying now -- we'll put in sactions, hopefully in a few months/years Russians will notice, in the meantime lets Russians bomb and occupy Ukraine. And to be honest it is not clear if the west can do anything that wouldn't lead to a direct confrontation with Russia and therefore nuclear war. But in the same time you'd hope in the modern world there would be ways to put real pressure now on a rogue state behaving insanely. It's not clear if SWIFT is an effective measure or not, but certainly prohibiting the oil/gas imports is -- the west just considers it too costly for them -- I guess it makes sense, they are not dying under the bombs, Ukrainians are.
- vletal 5y agoI have a limited experience in security field, all I could do was to donate money. Yet if I did fucking trust me I'd be putting all my spare time into this. To anyone with the required skill set. Please, this is you chance to remotely help UA.
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- Nextgrid 5y agoThe preflight requests themselves consume a small amount of bandwidth, so at scale I guess it could work?
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- verisimi 5y agoI'm no expert on this stuff, but I don't get the partisan nature of this Ukraine Russia debate at all. Putting aside the politics of what side the US government is on... It seems very equivalent to me to when some southern states declared secession from the northern states (in 1860), there was a civil war. To Russians, Ukraine is integral to them and their identity, even if that has been the case since 1991 (a situation forced on Russia at the time). So, if we can leave the politics aside, accepting that there are institutions such as countries etc, what would be the right thing here? Why should Western countries even involve themselves in this? I mean - Russia certainly is going to roll over Ukraine - how does it help anyone to arm them - isn't it just inviting more retaliation - isn't it making a bad problem even worse?
- trymas 5y agoYou are incorrect on so many levels - I have no idea where to begin. Ukraine is a sovereign state independent from russia. russia dreams about soviet union comeback. Some countries are out of reach now, e.g. Baltic states which became EU and NATO members. After russians being assholes to their neighbours for decades (if not centuries) - some neighbours decided that it's time to leave abusive relationship. To russia Ukraine is integral only for couple of things - land buffer from the west influence, land bridge to the black sea (Crimea). Ukrainians see how russia abuses them (e.g. frequent embargoes or price jumps for gas, and other tightly coupled economical relations they are not allowed to escape) and attempts to leave this. That's a deep blow to russia and their maniac dictator cannot allow this. F For ages - instead of russia attempting to build proper strong and attractive economy are using force on their small neighbours. I think every single neighbor of russia (or russian empire or soviet union) was either at war or occupied in previous 100 or 200 years. Neighbouring nations (the people, not the politicians or greedy oligarchs) are attempting to flee russian influence zone, due to constant economic pressure and imminent danger. russia now attempts to paint this as "NATO expansion" or "US imperialism", but they are just old-school bully.
- verisimi 5y agoHmm.. I think you're stuck in the idea that there are good and bad actors, that this stuff isn't propaganda, that it's not just about power, all of it bad... I'm sure if you're in Russia the exact opposite arguments are being made, and make sense to their citizens. My point really is that - to an outsider with no dog in the race - if you take a long view, it seems equivalent to the US civil war. What you just said, couldn't you equate Russia/Ukraine to US/southern states?
- jl6 5y agoThe most practical avenue of support is to provide tools and techniques for maintaining the ability for resistance groups to communicate autonomously once normal channels fall under the control of the invaders. However, that is functionally equivalent to equipping a protracted, bloody insurgency, and it’s far from obvious that that would be a good outcome for anyone.
- phantom_oracle 5y agoIt is disturbing how the moderators of HN are condoning the comments in this thread (the top comment by 'neonsunset' provides tools that enable DDoSing a foreign government website) that are encouraging cyber warfare against a nation-state that is considered an 'enemy' of their state (the USA). Had a Russian/enemy state website had a similar thread that condoned cyber-attacks against the USA critical infrastructure, they would be flagged as terrorists and 'empire' publications like major US newspapers would be all over it as "war against the USA". All this bluster from capitalists merely reflects hypocrisy.
- Aachen 5y ago> Had a Russian/enemy state website had a similar thread that condoned cyber-attacks against the USA critical infrastructure, they would be flagged as terrorists Look up the difference between belligerent and victim, and the word compassion. I don't see why you're dragging another political topic, capitalism, into the conversation when it's about thwarting what you call terrorists. It seems flamebaity but I'm replying in the hope you're seriously interested in the conversation.
- zeepzeep 5y agoI think HN has 1 full time mod.
- foxfluff 5y agoYoutube is banning accounts that support Ukraine or watch live streams from Kiev. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30467384 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30467384
- dingoegret12 5y agoIm going to report ycombinator to the Russian authorities. This thread has people advocating and planning terrorist attacks against Russia and it's being condoned by the moderators. This thread wouldn't survive for a minute if the target was the US.
- darepublic 5y agoNato dropping the ball here. The west is weak. Won't right for its principles, only to sustain its addictions
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- phillwuk 5y agoHi are there any updates for cyber issues, I read that Anonymous are causing issues for Russia whilst Putin does a Hitler and hides in his lair.
- dogweather 5y agoAnyone have a link to the actual appeal and sign-up? (These lame news reports don't link to their original sources.)