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Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs
- valine 6y agoIt’s interesting that the 3090 is a replacement for the Titan. The $1500 price tag is a bit higher than expected but considering the Titan cost $2500 it doesn’t seem too unreasonable.
- mkaic 6y agoIn terms of just nomenclature, I think I like the consistency of having all of the current lineup actually be called GeForce 30XX.
- PeterStuer 6y agotbh he pricing is much better than I expected. I'll get one for my new build, but probably a 3rd party as I'm not convinced by the cooling on the FE as of yet.
- rectangleboy 6y agoIt was behind the exorbitant number of spatulas the whole time!
- mkaic 6y agoRight?! I thought that was absolutely hilarious. Good to know NVIDIA's got a sense of humor.
- tbeseda 6y agoAnd then the oven 3090 reveal!
- heyoni 6y agoIt’s so hot, he uses it to bake bread.
- carabiner 6y agoWhy does he have so many?
- golergka 6y agoThat's why.
- magicalhippo 6y agoClearly he went to to the great sale they had at Spatula City. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCmDvrECS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCmDvrECS8
- Ninjinka 6y agoThe pricing is insane. $499 for a card that beats the 2080ti?
- phaus 6y agoAllegedly beats the 2080 TI, not just the regular one.
- Ninjinka 6y agoI've heard a few people say that, this graphic makes it look about the same though: https://i.imgur.com/fbo1UIU.png https://i.imgur.com/fbo1UIU.png EDIT: I am an idiot. It does say it's faster, though the chart makes it look pretty close.
- trollied 6y agoIt says "Faster than 2080TI" right underneath it...
- redisman 6y agoProbably like faster at RT. I'll almost certainly go for the 3070 - that's crazy value for not much more than I paid for 2060S.
- phaus 6y agoPeople are speculating that the 2x numbers come from RTX and/or DLSS, but they also doubled the number of CUDA cores so its possible its going to be an actual raw performance gain. I think its wise to be skeptical until independant benchmarks are available but I would be surprised if this didn't end up being the biggest performance increase in Nvidia's history for a single generation, just like they say it is.
- paulmd 6y ago> I've heard a few people say that probably because of, oh I don't know, the text right next to the 3070 dot saying "faster than 2080 Ti"... (and I'm really only speculating here) It probably won't be like, night and day faster than a 2080 Ti of course, it's going to be the same bracket judging by the chart, but I'd expect it to usually edge out the 2080 Ti by a couple percent based on the text there.
- zapnuk 6y agoVery impressive. I predict that they'll be (more or less) sold out at least until 2021 at the very least.
- mkaic 6y agoI sure hope not. This launch is SUPER exciting--I really want to get my hands on a 3070 once I can afford it. They better be in stock by then!
- phaus 6y agoI'm glad the 3080 is launching first so I can try getting one of those and if they are sold out I have time to think about whether I want to try dropping more than twice as much on a 3090 instead.
- trollied 6y agoIt's going to be very interesting to see what AMD counter with. I don't think anyone was expecting pricing this aggressive. Competition is great!
- DivisionSol 6y agoI wonder what the price would've been without AMD dipping their toes into the GPU market again. I very much assume Nvidia slices price, to not only compete but also crush the AMD GPU market. Nvidia's innovation is crazy huge, but they probably don't want to be in the same situation as Intel where people regard the big dog as slow, profit-extracting. Nvidia will do it's best to eat as much market share with better products over AMD('s GPU.)
- judge2020 6y agoIt's targeted for a November 2020 unveil[0] so we'll have to wait to see what they're coming out with, but I doubt it'll stack up to the 30xx series on both price and performance (at least, based on these marketing slides). 0: https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-big-navi-isnt-coming-until-the-end-of-2020 https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-big-navi-isnt-coming-unti...
- BearOso 6y agoIt has to be out before the new consoles, which are reportedly coming the first two weeks of November. I think the consoles are being kept secretive on AMD’s request as well.
- arvinsim 6y agoI already expected AMD to only compete in the low and mid level range. But NVIDIA pegged the 3070(which is faster than the 2080 TI) at $499. That's pretty hard to beat!
- fluffything 6y agoThe 2080 TI are going to overflow the used market, at 100-200$ at best, so... if AMD can't top that significantly, a used 2080 TI might be much better value than anything AMD can offer.
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- adamch 6y agoI wonder if the pricing will drop once AMD releases their ray-tracing PC GPUs.
- gallerdude 6y agoThese look great! It’s amazing how much better hardware gets annually. The only thing I was hoping for that wasn’t mentioned was hardware-accelerated VP9 encoding, but we can’t get everything we want in life.
- daneel_w 6y agoIf we were to imagine that VP9 hardware encoding by Nvidia would hold the same standard as their H.265 hardware encoding then we can stop holding our breaths, as we have not missed out on anything of any value what so ever. For H.265 their encoder is fast, yes, but the quality per bitrate is complete rubbish, requiring higher bitrate than a good H.264 encode yet still contrives the gruesome trick of looking far worse, which entirely offsets all and any point with H.265.
- gallerdude 6y agoOh interesting, I didn't know the Nvidia encoder was regarded as trash. What tools can one I use to evaluate visual quality of a video file? My proxy for quality has always been bitrate, but I know that bitrate is just chasing visuak quality anyways...
- fomine3 6y agoSSIM is popular but now VMAF is considered good index.
- fomine3 6y agoNo. Turing's NVEnc for H.265 is great for speed (as usual) and good for quality with Bframes support when compared to other HW encoders. (Ice Lake's encoder is also good but it's released later). It shouldn't be complete rubbish. IMO it's usable not only for streaming but also for archiving. Don't compare quality with x265, that should be good quality and slow.
- fluffything 6y ago* RTX 3070, 499$, faster than RTX 2080 Ti * RTX 3080, 699$, 2x faster than RTX 2080 * RTX 3090 (Titan), 1500$, 1.5x faster than RTX Titan, 8k resolution @ 60 FPS with RTX on Control. --- I hope that if somebody bought an RTX 2080 or similar in the last 2-4 weeks, that they bought it over Amazon, and can return it.
- phoe-krk 6y ago> * RTX 3090 (Titan), 1500$, 1.5x faster than Titan, 8k resolution @ 60 FPS with RTX on Control. You likely meant something else; Titan can't be faster than Titan.
- addcninblue 6y agoI believe they're referencing past editions of Titan.
- tedunangst 6y ago3090 holds the product position previously known as titan.
- dplavery92 6y agoI think it holds the market position previously known as xx80Ti
- smileybarry 6y agoThe video[1] mentions that it (3090) was made for users in the Titan product segment, and it's introduced as a Titan replacement. The Ti models will probably come later as usual. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98hC9e__Xs&t=34m14s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98hC9e__Xs&t=34m14s
- bonoboTP 6y agoExtremely confusingly the Ti stands/stood for titan as well, while at the same time Nvidia also released cards with the name "Titan", like the Titan X, Titan Xp, Titan V, Titan RTX etc. When people say "the titans" they may refer to either the "something Ti" cards or the "Titan something" cards.
- mkaic 6y agoHere's the static launch page if anyone's interested: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/?nvid=nv-int-cwmfg-49069#cid=_nv-int-cwmfg_en-us https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-serie...
- sudosysgen 6y agoSo it seems that the 3090 will be priced at 1499$. This is kind of insane. EDIT: For people comparing this to the Titan RTX, no. This GA102, not GA100. It's the cut-down version of Ampere. GA100 will come out, and it will be even more expensive.
- daneel_w 6y agoYeah, for consumer use these things are starting to approach "smartphone fashion" consumerism levels.
- zamalek 6y agoVirtually nobody needs a 3090, much less a gamer (let's be honest, though, many will buy one regardless). For the people that actually do need that horsepower, it's unbelievably cheap for what you are getting. You could have easily paid twice that a year ago for less.
- sudosysgen 6y agoWell yeah, that's just how it is because of progress. It's still more expensive than last year's XX102 chip. That said, it's only about 50% faster than a 2080Ti at everything except ray-tracing. 50% faster, 40% more expensive. Back in Kepler, a 780Ti was 800$, and it had the GK110 chip, which was the full-fat chip. Now, the cut-down chip costs twice as much.
- zimpenfish 6y ago> Virtually nobody needs a 3090, much less a gamer I'm tempted to get one just to avoid having to think about upgrading a graphics card for another 10 years. Plus I can do some ML messing about as well for resume-driven development.
- selectodude 6y agoCheaper and better to get three $500 GPUs every three years.
- Macha 6y agoIf their performance claims are accurate, AMD has a huge hurdle ahead of it, as the rumour mill only had them drawing even with the 2080 ti with big navi.
- zamalek 6y ago> AMD has a huge hurdle ahead of it I hope AMD can pull it off, as I am really hoping to make my first red box build. That being said, the performance:cost ratio of 30xx is mindbogglingly attractive (assuming the reviews back up NVIDIA's claims).
- arvinsim 6y agoI will wait for benchmarks. Their 2x qualifier was RTX On. Not sure if they meant general performance or RTX performance only.
- Nursie 6y agoHe was trying to sell it as double the RTX, double the tensor cores and double the general raster capability. Guess the benchmarks will show us.
- PaulBGD_ 6y agoThe small text also said DLSS iirc, so non-dlss games and machine learning loads probably aren't 2x.
- BearOso 6y agoThe 3070 has 20 classic shading module TFLOPs. The 2080ti was 13.5 TFLOPs. I think you’ll see 50% better performance at the minimum.
- chinigo 6y agoDigital Foundry's initial analysis mostly bears this claim out. They found FPS increases of between 160-190% for a bunch of recent games featuring both RTX/traditional rendering, and about a fixed 190% in Quake RTX (which is exclusively RTX rendering). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWD01yUQdVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWD01yUQdVA
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- dsign 6y agoThat looks good!!! Can we upload already?
- polishdude20 6y agoHe sure likes his silicone spatulas.
- gallerdude 6y agoJust compare how much Nvidia is pushing the limits as the industry of leader of GPU’s, to how Intel seems to be playing catch-up reluctantly as the industry leader of CPU’s. Leadership matters.
- jjoonathan 6y agoNvidia isn't a fab. AMD isn't a fab. TSMC is the fab that beat Intel. TSMC's customers, like AMD and NVidia, are beneficiaries. So far. As customers of TSMC, in the long term it behooves them for TSMC to have competition. Further, "leadership matters" is a somewhat ironic complaint given that Intel ran face-first into a brick wall precisely because they were leading. TSMC placed conservative bets on the next node and Intel placed risky bets because they needed the extra risk/reward to maintain leadership. Intel's bets failed (in particular, cobalt wires and COAG). They chose "leadership or bust" and went "bust," at least for now.
- i-am-curious 6y agoThis is such a simpleton take. The whole reason AMD are able to crank out 128 core CPUs is the CCX architecture - the one people laughed at. No TSMC there. Not to mention other innovations like Infinity Fabric. In ampere for instance, there are so many innovations, like PAM signalling, 2x shader instructions per clock, DLSS, RTX Voice. TSMC beat Intel, sure, but that is not the main reason for why Nvidia and even AMD are leading the industry. In fact, ampere is on Samsung 8n.
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- ttul 6y agoJensen Huang has a really baller stove.
- sliverdragon37 6y agoHis entire house is really sweet. I went there once for an intern event, there's an nvidia logo on the bottom of the pool. Crazy stuff.
- ealexhudson 6y agoThat stove is an Aga and in the centre of his Aga is one of these RTX 30 GPUs. Keeps the whole house warm.
- trumpeta 6y agoThen why does he need the leather jacket?
- m3kw9 6y agoTo keep him looking cool
- ChuckNorris89 6y agoHis leather jacket is a meme at this point. Be a shame to waste it.
- nomel 6y agoIt's actually a full body oven mitt.
- ralusek 6y agoTo show off the specular highlights with RTX.
- tpmx 6y agoThe inventor of the continously burning "AGA cooker" beast was an interesting person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustaf_Dal%C3%A9n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustaf_Dal%C3%A9n
- metalliqaz 6y agoThe 20xx series was very obviously the "tech development" release and was a terrible value. It was first gen ray tracing and thus actually unequipped to fulfill its promises. The 30xx series looks to be much better and is probably finally worth the upgrade from 9xx and 10xx equipment.
- Zenst 6y agoGenerally new feature leaps - it is the second release that meets expectations of the initial feature release.
- shmerl 6y agoI'm waiting for RDNA 2 cards from AMD.
- Nursie 6y agoI'm waiting for AMD to show their hand, but this is a very strong first strike from nvidia.
- shmerl 6y agoSure, if the bold 2x performance increase claim is to be believed. I'd wait for benchmarks to validate that. Plus for me, Nvidia is simply DOA on Linux, due them refusing to upstream their driver and hindering Nouveau to reclock properly. So even if AMD won't outdo them, I still won't touch Nvidia.
- BearOso 6y agoDitto. But it’s pretty much certain that even if the new AMD cards don’t match the top Nvidia performance, they’re still going to be competitive or better on cost/performance. So you don’t have to worry about missing anything if you go AMD for Linux. I’m just glad that we’ve finally gotten past that ceiling at ~13 TFLOPs. Nvidia has been hobbling along for a few years, so a breakthrough is nice.
- Nursie 6y agoI think whether AMD can match price/performance is very much up in the air right now. If nvidia's performance claims are real then that is a massive challenge for AMD to meet.
- uep 6y ago> Plus for me, Nvidia is simply DOA on Linux Same. The best this announcement does for me is force AMD to reduce the price of their GPUs. Which is appreciated, because I am due to upgrade.
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- Ninjinka 6y agoThe 3080 requires a 750W PSU, while the 3070 only requires 650W. Given I have a 650W, that might tip the scale for me.
- arvinsim 6y agoThey did have a disclaimer that it depends on your PC configuration. If you run something like the Ryzen 3600, it might be fine.
- gambiting 6y agoThese numbers never meant anything. I run a 1050Ti on a 200W PSU - nvidia recommends 450W minimum. Add the TDP of your GPU, CPU and add about 100W for accessories = what you actually need. Nvidia recommends a much more powerful PSU than needed just in case.
- phaus 6y agoYea I think if you run the calculations and you have room you should be good if your PSU is just slightly above the power requirements. If you run an unusual amount of memory or HDDs/etc, you might want to calculate everything manually rather than just assume its 100 watts though. I have never had a PSU fail, but supposedly unlike pretty much every other component if it fails its possible it will destroy your GPU/CPU/MB so it makes sense to spend a little extra on a good PSU. Probably my best component purchase ever was a 1050W Modular PSU in 2014. It was an old model even then and apparently no one wanted 1000W+ power supplies back then because it was on clearance. It should still be good for a 3090 and probably even a 5090 when I upgrade again in the future. I paid far less than a 1000w PSU costs now.
- kllrnohj 6y ago> Nvidia recommends a much more powerful PSU than needed just in case. The two things to watch out for here are 1) Cheaper PSUs can't always actually hit their claimed wattage, particularly not in real-world heat scenarios 2) CPU & GPU both use the 12V rail for their power, and not all PSUs can deliver all the rated wattage on the 12V rail. Any decent to good PSU won't have either of those issues, most list their rated wattage entirely on the 12V rails these days. So for example let's assume 250w for the GPU average and 120w for the CPU average (turbo & boost & all that). A 400w PSU could technically do that, particularly since if your only drive is an SSD your "accessories" are basically a rounding error. But if we take this 400W PSU for example: https://www.newegg.com/coolmax-i-400-400w/p/N82E16817159140 https://www.newegg.com/coolmax-i-400-400w/p/N82E16817159140 it can only deliver 300W on the 12V rail. Not enough. By comparison this EVGA 450W PSU can do a full 450W on the 12V rail alone: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=100-BR-0450-K1 https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=100-BR-0450-K1 That's a 150W useful difference in this scenario even though the "rated" power only differs by 50W.
- 0xfaded 6y agoI have some CUDA code that I need to run as fast as possible, so if I was going to blow $1500, my use case would imply that I should go with two 3080s. However, I also play around with deep learning stuff, expect to do so more in the future, but don't currently follow it so closely. Would someone care to ponder on what difference they think a 24GB gpu vs a 10GB gpu will have as a tool for deep learning dev over the next 3 years? For what it's worth, I'm a computer vision guy, but I did have a play with DeepSpeech earlier this year.
- godelski 6y agoBeing in the ML space myself I can tell you that memory is pretty important. With my current workload (vision tasks) it is my largest constraint. That said, rumor has it that they will announce a 20Gb 3080 later.
- abledon 6y agoand its a 20gb with the ability to do FP16 right? So theoritcally lots of the models can actually be 40gb?
- atty 6y agoWell, they can be 40 GB fp32 models technically, but translating a model trained in fp32 to fp16 is not trivial (trust me, we’re working on this right now for a model). But remember that training the model requires a lot more memory than just the model parameters, because you need to store the gradients as well.
- hwillis 6y agoI'm fairly lay but imo GPT-3 demonstrates pretty soundly that huge models are no magic bullet- it's got >2x as many parameters as the human brain has neurons and it can't do long division. Dogs and other animals get by just fine having less than 1% as many neurons as humans. Even a billion parameters is a huge model, and a factor of 2.4x increase is not going to make a tremendous difference in your performance. In particular the data-heavy nature of vision stuff means that you'll be bottlenecked by training more than memory, AFAIK (again, lay).
- npmaile 6y agoAs much as I like to hate Nvidia for all of the right reasons, this is pretty big and might make me compromise my morals until AMD comes out with something that can compete.
- dougmwne 6y agoI am curious how quickly Nvidia will add these to their GeForce Now streaming servers. As of right now, they only stream in 1080p and it seems this could allow them to stream 4k for about the same hardware cost. I'm personally not in the market for a gaming desktop, but happily subscribe to GPU as a service.
- xx_alpha_xx 6y agoGFN has been a bear, very hit or miss. Current generation of hardware is either 1080 or 2060. If they start adding 30xx (which they have hinted at in this past) that would be great.
- metalliqaz 6y ago8K gaming is the ultimate gimmick. Even in the ideal conditions they set up for that demo, I'm doubtful those gamers have the ability to detect a significant improvement over 4K.
- friedman23 6y agoUltra high pixel count gaming is not a gimmick. Get a 4k ultrawide form factor monitor and you have close to as many pixels as are in an 8k monitor
- kitsunesoba 6y agoAgree that 8K is a bit overkill, but it'll be nice for 60FPS+ 5k since 5k doubles 2560x1440 exactly and makes for a better multipurpose use resolution than 4k does at 27".
- shados 6y ago> since 5k doubles 2560x1440 exactly Does that really matter? Integer scaling isn't really a thing AFAIK, and game devs are more likely to test their HUD layouts in 4k than 5k these days.
- kitsunesoba 6y agoDoesn't matter much in games, but it makes a difference on the desktop. Don't know about Windows but under macOS and Linux integer scaling generally works more cleanly and predictably than fractional scaling does.
- shados 6y agoAhh yeah, I don't know about Linux, but MacOS' desktop is notorious for the way it scales things up.
- cma 6y agoThere already exist 1/2 8K VR headsets though (full 16:9 4K per eye), and you can keep seeing a difference there up through around 16K per eye and higher refresh rates than they showed.
- johnwheeler 6y agoIt's interesting the effect new graphics have on how old graphics are seen. I remember when Resident Evil came out on the first Playstation, at the time, I considered certain game elements like fire and water indistinguishable from reality. Now it looks like pixelated garbage and I ask myself how I could have ever thought that.
- jamroom 6y agoOh man - the same here with me - when I first got Morrowind there was an option you could enable in ATI (now AMD) cards at the time that made water look "real". I was able to enable that and was blown away - I was like "well that's it - doesn't get any more real than this". Having loaded Morrowind recently I could not believe had bad it looked lol. Makes me wonder - what are we "not" seeing right now that will make us think this way 10-20 years from now?
- johnwheeler 6y ago> "well that's it - doesn't get any more real than this" > Makes me wonder - what are we "not" seeing right now that will make us think this way 10-20 years from now? Yes - well said. That's what I was trying to convey in my comment.
- lwansbrough 6y agoI think Epic’s UE5 demo is really really close to reality in terms of lighting and geometry. Next 10-20 years will probably see the same technology being brought into larger and larger environments with more moving parts. Then there’s the more obvious stuff that isn’t done well even today: skeletal animation is still lacking and feels unnatural, physics systems are still very approximate and constrained - often times most things are indestructible in games, fluid dynamics are still very slow/limited. Human models still don’t look real though, and the voice acting never quite matches the mouth movement or body language. I do really feel like we’ve crossed the uncanny valley when it comes to natural scenery rendering. But a lot of what makes things feel real are still missing from games.
- bitxbit 6y agoAs someone who runs data models at home in addition to 3D rendering, 3090 is a must buy for me. I imagine it will be sold out within minutes and supply will be an issue for months.
- lachlan-sneff 6y ago3080 ($700) apparently has 238 teraflops of "tensor compute." We're frighteningly close to a petaflop of compute for less than a thousand usd.
- iforgotpassword 6y agoThis looks reassuring. After the first couple rumors/teasers, especially regarding power consumption, I feared that NVIDIA mostly just sat on their hands and would just release something that's mostly a bigger version (more execution units, ram) of the current Gen. I think they did that once some years ago. Seems they actually did improve on the technical level too for 30xx. :-)
- Thaxll 6y agoProblem with AMD is their drivers, nowdays drivers are 50% of what makes a good graphic card.
- rnantes 6y agoInteresting that this card has 8K capable HDMI 2.1 but not DisplayPort 2.0. Wonder when we start seeing DP 2.0 support in products, VESA said late 2020 in the press release.
- Const-me 6y agoIndeed, the specs page says all 3 have HDMI 2.1 and 3x DisplayPort 1.4a: https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/#cid=_nv-int-cwmfg_en-us https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/graphics-cards/30-serie... However, Wikipedia says it’s capable of 8k with a proprietary lossy video codec called Display Stream Compression: DSC is a "visually lossless" encoding technique with up to a 3:1 compression ratio. Using DSC with HBR3 transmission rates, DisplayPort 1.4 can support 8K UHD (7680 × 4320) at 60 Hz The quote is from there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.4
- DoofusOfDeath 6y agoApologies if this question is super naive, but is there a good reason for ongoing development of both HDMI and DP? At least for my use cases (home entertainment, and work computers) both seem roughly equivalent. The devices I've bought recently have tended to support HDMI more than DP. So I got the impression that HDMI was "winning" and DP would fade away. But now it seems like vendors are moving towards video-over-USB-C cables. And the "Alternate Mode protocol support matrix for USB-C cables and adapters" table in this article [0] seems to indicate that USB-C cables have broader support for DP than HDMI. Which makes me wonder if vendors will converge on DP-protocol-over-USB-C-cable? This makes me nostalgic for the relative simplicity of DVI. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C
- EricE 6y agoHDMI is all about DRM. USB-C is just one of many reasons DP hangs on. The ability to chain monitors is huge for digital signage and other display uses too. Let's hope both continue to be developed since for computing display port is far more useful and free of at least some of the DRM hell of HDMI.
- ZeroCool2u 6y agoWow, I wasn't planning on upgrading from a 1080 (non-Ti) but the 3080 is so good and priced so well, I probably will. I just ordered a 240 Hz 1440p IPS monitor and I wasn't planning to hit 240 Hz, but this makes it so easy I might as well. My day job is primarily ML as well, so I might just go for the 3090. 24 GB of memory is a game changer for what I can do locally. I really just wish Nvidia would get its shit together with Linux drivers. Ubuntu has done some great work making things easier and just work, but having them directly in the kernel would be so much nicer. One thing I'm curious about is the RTX IO feature. The slide said it supports DirectStorage for Windows, but is there an equivalent to this for Linux? I'm hoping someone with a little more insight or an Nvidia employee may have some more information.
- option 6y ago10496 CUDA cores plus 24GB should be pretty good for ML
- nomel 6y agoedit: Wrong! Ignore/downvote! > 10496 CUDA cores Not quite. 5248 cores, each supporting double fp32.
- XCSme 6y agoBut they clearly state in the specs (for 3080): 8704 NVIDIA CUDA® Cores And 10496 for 3090.
- nomel 6y agoCorrect!
- ohnoesjmr 6y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ikok1b/explaining_amperes_cuda_core_count/ https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ikok1b/explaining... Seems it is half the cores but double the fp instructions. The spec talks cuda cores which is their inventive unit of measure.
- fomine3 6y agoComparing 3080/3070, 3080 is 146% greater TFLOPS than 3070 and VRAM capacity and speed is different. Meanwhile 2080/2070 was 135% greater TFLOPS in same MSRP with 3080/3070. 3080 looks very competitive.
- dang 6y agoWe changed from https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/special-event/?nvid=nv-int-gfhm-55882#cid=_nv-int-gfhm_en-us https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/special-event/?nvid=nv-..., which is a video of (what looks like) the same material. Some of the comments in this thread are about things people saw in the video (spatulas?), so keep that context in mind.
- debaserab2 6y agoHow many studios are even going to produce art assets at the level of fidelity that 8K provides? These installs are going to be huge.
- EricE 6y agoIt's not always about providing the final product in 8K - 8K means you can have multiple 4K windows up.
- redisman 6y agoThe 8k is really just a sneak peek at the future. I doubt anyone will actually be expecting to game on that resolution this generation.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y agoHigher resolutions IMO are not about the models themselves, but the edges of them. A character model can look decent in 1080p, but the edges of the model in front of the background will be jaggy. Various anti-aliasing techniques can only do so much. Besides, I know I'm more interested in higher frame rates. I'd rather do 1440p @ 144 hz than 4K @ 60 hz. And I don't think there are even any 8K monitors out yet.
- pixxel 6y agoI find the naming conventions for computer parts utterly confusing. I’m looking to step away from Apple and do my first (AMD) PC build. Need to find a good overview to read through.
- stu2b50 6y ago3080 30 <- represents the generation, previously it was 20,eg RTX 2080 80 <- represents power within the generation, an 80 is near the top Higher generation means newer. Higher number means more powerful within that generation. To compare across generations, you need benchmarks.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y agonVidia has the most sane naming convention. Sure beats AMD. Is an RX Vega better than an RX 570? What about an RX 5700?
- SahAssar 6y agoIMO apples is even worse, most models just have semi-official dates like "Mid 2015" and no proper consumer-facing model numbers.
- shantara 6y agoIt's worrying to see GPU cooling system dumping the heat directly onto the CPU, RAM and motherboard components. That's the only thing that left me skeptical after watching the presentation.
- redisman 6y agoI mean that's where the air will go anyway as it rises up, just more inefficiently.
- jiofih 6y agoWhat do you mean? The fan design is pretty standard. Either way it won’t matter, as hot air should be extracted from the case, it’s not gonna meaningfully change the temp on anything it hits.
- shantara 6y agoThe back fan flows the air through a hole in the GPU, past the thermal tubes and carries the hot air above the GPU to the upper part of the motherboard. Which is not in any way a standard design with the hot air going directly outside the PC case. https://youtu.be/ALEXVtnNEwA?t=3283 https://youtu.be/ALEXVtnNEwA?t=3283
- jiofih 6y agoThe non standard part is pushing hot air out of the back of the gpu itself - “dumping the heat directly onto the CPU, RAM and motherboard components” to be extracted by the system fan is what every existing design does...
- shados 6y agoA few weeks/months after release, 3rd parties are going to come out with a bazillion different thermal solutions, including self contained liquid cooling, like they always do. So that's a minor issue. Just don't buy the reference model.
- baybal2 6y agoIt looks really huge.
- tkuraku 6y agoWhen would the Quadro cards based on Ampere likely be released. Any ideas?
- modeless 6y agoI love a small feature he mentioned in the video: Monitors with built-in latency measurement. You plug your mouse into the USB ports on the monitor and it tells you how long it takes the image to change after you move the mouse. Brilliant idea. It's long overdue to have widely available metrics for latency in consumer tech. Many hardware/software setups have absurdly long latency for no good reason other than that it's difficult to measure. People underestimate the subconscious effects it has on your usage of technology. I couldn't be happier that phone and monitor manufacturers are finally starting to compete on refresh rates >60 Hz. It's far more important than wide gamut or 8K.
- seiferteric 6y agoI wish monitors in general had better (and open) firmware. It would be really cool if for example I could have my laptop plugged into my desktop's monitor and have it show up as a "window" on my desktop. All it would take would be for some simple driver on my desktop to tell the monitor where to draw the image when I moved the window around. Basically a better version of the mostly useless PiP feature my monitor already has.
- slimsag 6y agoAs with many things, this comes back to DRM. HDCP in specific.
- freeone3000 6y agoMonitors are generally connected through DisplayPort or Thunderbolt, not HDMI, so there's no reason for HDCP to enter here. The card in question does have a HDCP output, but advanced features are only available through DisplayPort.
- nailer 6y ago> Monitors are generally connected through DisplayPort or Thunderbolt, not HDMI, so there's no reason for HDCP to enter here. HDCP runs over DP and Thunderbolt. But derefr's discussion above is accurate.
- en4bz 6y agoAll this on Samsung 8nm (~61 MT/mm2). They didn't even feel the need to use TSMC 7nm (~100 MT/mm2). Probably keep the price down and to reserve capacity at TSMC for the A100. This is like the anime hero/villain (depending on your perspective) equivalent of fighting at half power.
- ZeroCool2u 6y agoOn the slide in the presentation it did say something like Samsung Nvidia Custom 8NM process, so perhaps Nvidia made such significant contributions to the process that it's not really Samsungs process anymore?
- wmf 6y agoTSMC's "customized" 12FFN process just had a larger reticle, so the burden should be on Nvidia to explain any customization. I don't think they deserve any benefit of the doubt here.
- gpm 6y agoWhy would Nvidia willingly explain any customization? Surely keeping that secret is a competitive advantage.
- ss248 6y ago>They didn't even feel the need to use TSMC 7nm They just couldn't get enough wafers. They tried to force TSMC to lower the prices and it backfired.
- pdimitar 6y agoHow did it backfire?
- npunt 6y agoYeah, impressive for the node. TSMC's latest N5 process is 173 MT/mm2, which Apple is using now and AMD (probably in N5P form) will start using next year. EUV is really a big step up.
- bogwog 6y ago10,496 cores on the 3090. That's just insane.
- solatic 6y agoStill no proper Wayland support? I mean, I get that the primary market runs Windows. But some people like to dual-boot.
- wmf 6y agoSupport vendors who support you. Buy AMD.
- smabie 6y agoWhy do I need Wayland? Xorg works just fine. Actually better than fine, since you can actually run a wide variety of window managers without having to resort to xwayland
- Lichtso 6y agoxorg is a security nightmare. Also, wayland itself works as well (even better performance wise), it just takes time for all the applications to catch up and enable it as a backend.
- fluffything 6y agoKDE and Gnome work fine with the nvidia proprietary driver on Wayland.
- ponker 6y agoJensen’s stovetop is the billionaire’a equivalent of a tricked-out RGB setup.
- KingOfCoders 6y agoI wonder about the ML performance compared to my current setup of 2080TIs.
- system2 6y agoAll these crazy graphics cards, they still couldn't figure out high density VR displays. I want amazing VR with super clarity. Then I'd invest whatever money they want for a graphics card. LCD gaming just doesn't cut it.
- Kapura 6y agoIt's not that they can't figure out high density VR displays, it's that they're prohibitively expensive to produce. Display miniturisation is not a problem domain that a lot of tech is focused on, so progress is necessarily slower than the more profitable areas.
- lodi 6y agoHP Reverb G2 is coming out soon. Dual 2k x 2k displays: https://www8.hp.com/us/en/vr/reverb-g2-vr-headset.html https://www8.hp.com/us/en/vr/reverb-g2-vr-headset.html Looks really great in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4wlEbD5vxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4wlEbD5vxk
- tus88 6y agoBut can it play Crysis?
- randyrand 6y agoI have a GTX 970 that I bought for $379 in 2015. Does Nvidia make flagship GPUs in this price point still?
- jhloa2 6y agoUnfortunately not since Nvidia has had such a monopoly on the high-end GPU market. Interestingly enough, it looks like the $379 in 2015 dollars worth $415 in today's dollars which makes the $500 for the 3070 seem slightly less shitty. I didn't expect the cumulative inflation to be 9% since then..
- jordache 6y agodude has a lot of spatulas at his house!
- Falell 6y agoWhat's the expected delay between reference card release and OEM card release?
- coolspot 6y ago2-4 weeks
- antpls 6y agoNot sure it was mentioned so far, but the reference to photon instead of electron at the end of the presentation could point to future photonic GPU ? https://www.anandtech.com/show/16010/hot-chips-2020-live-blog-silicon-photonics-for-ai-600pm-pt https://www.anandtech.com/show/16010/hot-chips-2020-live-blo...
- zamadatix 6y agoI think it's more likely a reference that long distance high speed communication is done via photons not electrons.
- Havoc 6y agoGuess I'm not keeping my 2070 super for long then
- tobyhinloopen 6y agoTo be fair most games run great on any RTX card. What are you playing that would benefit an upgrade?
- smabie 6y agoIf you want 144hz, even a RTX 2080 Ti can't hit it on 1440p on max with most games. I have a 2080S and I'm pretty disappointed with the performance, especially with Ray tracing on. For example, RDR2 runs at around 50-60fps on ultra on my rig. Very disappointing.
- ablekh 6y agoVery cool. I'm wondering about whether RTX 30 Series cards are compatible (interfaces, form factor, etc.) with Quadro RTX 8000. Thoughts?
- ablekh 6y agoReplying to myself. Still not sure about the form factor, but, unfortunately, it looks like the RTX 30 Series cards - well, at least, RTX 3090 - have a different socket interface when compared to 2080 Ti (12 pins versus 8+6 pins).
- tobyhinloopen 6y agoWell my 2080TI still runs Factorio without issues so I suppose I don’t need to upgrade
- ralusek 6y agoYa, but we'll know, and more importantly, you'll know. Go ahead and upgrade.
- Tuganin 6y agoCan anyone think of cases where the GPU/Processor unveiled by the maker wasn't actually what they said it was once it is run in real use-cases? It always felt to me that something similar to the car's gas emissions scandal is just waiting to happen in this industry.
- proverbialbunny 6y agoThe FX series was pretty bad and around the same time AMD's X cards (eg X700) would burn out within a year if you gamed on them, but not fail. The FPS would slowly lower over time. This was due to a lack of a fan inside of the case.
- mmanfrin 6y agoThe 3080 is '2x faster than the RTX 2080', which was roughly on par with a 1080TI (it had advantages, of course, RTX among them). 3 Generations newer with only a 2x speedup feels like a much smaller leap than the prior generations.
- ebg13 6y agoI missed a step here. How is the 3080 3 generations newer than either the 2080 or the 1080Ti?
- mmanfrin 6y ago1080ti -> 20xx -> 20xx ti -> 30xx There were also the 16xx cards. I'm being downvoted for this. 10xx 16xx 20xx 30xx That's 3 gens difference.
- ebg13 6y agoAh. It seems unreasonable to me to consider the 2080 and 2080Ti as different generations when they were released at the same time. Also I think we should factor that the 3080 at $700 costs _half_ what I paid for a 2080Ti in December (The ASUS RoG Strix, a premium 3-fan model, was going for like $1400 before it was discontinued). By NVidia prices, the 3090 is the true price successor to the 2080Ti.
- mmanfrin 6y agoYou're right, I shouldn't likely be distinguishing the Ti series (although it is usually a 'toc' generation, like the just announced gen, as Ti variants were not announced). But that does leave the 16xx generation which was released wholly on its own, in its own year.
- phonypc 6y ago16xx series is just lower end 20xx.
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- d33lio 6y agoI just want to see an OCL-Hashcat bench of the 3090 :)
- fortran77 6y agoThe pricing seems very good. Our company write a lot of CUDA code, mostly for real-time audio processing. It's amazing how much performance you can get with a desktop PC these days. These really are Supercomputers on a card.
- jjcm 6y agoA small thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet, but these cards have native hardware decoding for AV1. With chrome just launching support for AVIF this last week it seems like more and more platforms are getting out of the box support for it. Nvidia is also working with a lot of partners[1] on it it seems. I'm currently working on a social video platform, and having a unified next-gen codec that works everywhere for both images and video would be SO helpful. Hopefully this trend progresses - would love to be able to do some extremely high quality streaming. [1] https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-30-series-av1-decoding/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-30-series-av1-...
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoI'm most interested in when we get hardware encoding for AV1. Encoding is painfully slow right now unless on the low settings.
- cheschire 6y agoThere’s not a ton of money in that since most people who would need fast encoding are streaming, and those folks already used capture cards or secondary PCs to record.
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoIt would be super useful if it could be done on mobile SoCs. Realtime AV1 encoding on mobile phones would be huge. But even if you don't care about speed, AV1 encoding is still painfully slow. Encoding an hour of video can take over a day on a modern cpu.
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoI’m surprised there’s no solutions using mobile phones, which usually have a SoC with hardware encoding for h264 at 4k.
- nirav72 6y agodid they leave out the price of the 3090 in the article or did I somehow miss it? All I see is the 3070 and 3080 prices.
- sedatk 6y agoIt’s $1500
- berryjerry 6y agoI find it nuts that those streamers called the game "smooth as butter" at 60 fps. Even if it was 8K, there is no way 60 fps could feel smooth.
- smabie 6y agoYeah, having made the jump to 144hz g-sync, fixed 60fps looks hilariously bad. Though my 13 year old self eeking out 20-30 fps playing bf2142 would probably disagree.
- xvilka 6y agoAny news about that open source thing they promised to unveil this year? Or they lied as usual?
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- djsumdog 6y agoI got a 2080-Ti last year and I have yet to really run into a situation where I couldn't play a modern game, at 4K, with almost everything set to max (but I also don't game over 60fps). I'm sure this will really push those 4k/120Hz displays, but I doubt the average/causal gamer will really care about this series for a few years.
- zamadatix 6y agoFrom a fellow 2080 Ti owner this kind of statement that you can max things out without issue is usually true with the latest flagship but falls apart once the next generation comes out and provides a higher max performance envelope for settings to target. Expect the games demoed in the event due to come out soon (cyperpunk, cod, etc) to not play as well when maxed out as those that were released while the 2080 Ti was the flagship.
- paulpan 6y agoThis might be an unpopular opinion, but is the new RTX 3070 at $499 and RTX 3080 at $699 really such good value? Sure it's being marketed as 70-90% better performance at the same price but the value proposition is mainly in comparison to the Turing generation (20XX series) versus the Pascal generation (10XX series). For example of 3070, Nvidia moved the price anchor for the XX70 series from $379 to $499 so consumers are essentially paying for a XX80 card - and should expect XX80 performance. Nonetheless still impressive for the 70-90% performance gain, just perhaps not as much when price-adjusted. On a separate note, I'm curious about how much of the performance gains is attributable to the node shrink (12nm to 8nm) vs. micro architecture vs. software optimization (e.g. DLSS 2.0 vs. 1.0).
- Zenst 6y ago> really such good value? Depends upon how you measure value. If you can get something better for the same money or a little more, then sure they are good value. Even if you want something not as powerful or new, these will just send all the older card values down, so for that - these are great value. Now if you was a TITAN buying type, the GTX3090 is definitely good value. As for node shrink and how much is it a factor; Would need to factor in clock speeds and memory bandwidth, then need to compare exact comparable features. It's a muddy path. More so with the bigger gotcha that the 12nm node was TMSC and this 8nm node is Samsung, so hard to say, but over the months, reviews will have a good stab at it. Though for me, GamersNexus on YT would be the review I'd be looking for in the weeks ahead.
- cV6WB 6y agoWould this be able to drive a Pro Display XDR? (From Windows.)
- homerhomer 6y agoI'm guessing that this puts PCs ahead of unreleased PS5 and the new Xbox. I'll wait for the budget model to be released here in two years. Good stuff.
- LoSboccacc 6y agoso are they definitely dropping the 250$ demographic using the rtx excuse to forever up the entry level price?
- zmmmmm 6y agoQuestion: what is the sentiment around how this may affect pricing of the non-consumer cards? There was already a disparity, but the gap is now indecent - something like a T4 looks to be worse than a 3090 and more than double the price on basic specs (understanding there are some elements designed specifically for server environments). Is there any potential nVidia will have to shift on these prices or do we have to wait for a next generation of those before we can expect more affordable data center GPUs?
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- hank_z 6y agoI am trying to build a deep learning workstation. How likely do you think Nvidia will roll out RTX 3090 Ti or RTX 3080 Ti?
- agigao 6y agoNVIDIA, can you please make my GTX 1070 not to tear a screen when I'm scrolling a web-page in a browser in GNU/Linux?
- cyberdrunk 6y agoTry switching to Wayland.
- VikingCoder 6y agoThat is an alarming number of spatulas.
- aclavelle 6y agoI bought a 2080 like 2 weeks ago. Luckily EVGA has the step up program.