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New iPhone SE

• bluedevil2k 6y ago
  An upgraded iPhone 8 with a starting storage of 64 Gb at only $399. Seems like a great deal. Makes me seriously consider this model for my next phone instead of spending $1200 on an iPhone 11 Max.
  • rockostrich 6y ago
    I've been waiting for this the past few years. I'm probably switching over to this line whenever I feel like I need a new phone.
  • Donald 6y ago
    Right. They seem to seriously be undermining their higher price point phone products. Although, this may be the time to do it given current market conditions.
    • tw04 6y ago
      The higher priced phones have always been a status symbol. This won't change that for most of their target market IMO.
    • dmix 6y ago
      I dont think I could ever go below the size of an iPhone X (5.8in vs 4.7in). That’s a pretty serious downgrade. I think this competes better with people considering Android. You could do a lot with $400USD in that market.
      • MandieD 6y ago
        This phone is for those of us clinging bitterly to our SEs and 6-8's because we actually like the form factor and/or are the kind of tightwads who will buy a second-hand iOS device and run it another 3 years.
    • Ididntdothis 6y ago
      That’s how a smart company does it. Cover the whole range even if it may hurt sales in one segment. Better to cannibalize yourself than have the competition do it.
      • tonyedgecombe 6y ago
        Not only that but if they are trying to shift towards services it makes sense to get more devices in peoples hands.
    • floatingatoll 6y ago
      If you want the smallest iPhone available, and prioritize that in your purchasing, you no longer have to compromise on a wide array of features to do so. That will spur a great deal of people who are refusing to buy iPhones to buy iPhones (+$$$) and convert a certain percentage of bigphone users to smallphone users at a lower pricepoint at the next upgrade cycle (-$$). It is possible that Apple's usage statistics for old iPhones indicate that the + will be greater than the - while getting a bunch of users off of older lower-performing phones.
    • alexis_fr 6y ago
      I have an iPhone 7 and I was reluctant to change because of FaceID, which I don’t like, and screen size of new models. This SE makes me think the opposite: I look forward changing. So it is a real game changer. (I don’t buy Android because I’ve been bitten by the non-encrypted memory before, and Google isn’t serious about privacy).
  • MuffinFlavored 6y ago
    > Makes me seriously consider this model for my next phone instead of spending $1200 on an iPhone 11 Max. I just continually finance the latest phone at 0% interest for ~$40/mo. Trade in every year.
    • crazygringo 6y ago
      I mean great, but $40/mo is $480/yr, which is more than cost of the SE which will last you for several years. The SE is budget. $40/mo is not budget by any yardstick.
      • dbbk 6y ago
        The whole point of the programme is to have the latest device if you're the kind of person who likes tech and wants the latest, not someone who will keep an SE for several years.
    • jaywalk 6y ago
      Same. I want the latest tech, and you can't beat 0% financing.
  • Shivetya 6y ago
    at this price point it makes pairing with an Apple Watch more enticing. I would have gifted watches to my parents long before but it requires an iPhone to pair too and previously the price wise option was used.
  • JKCalhoun 6y ago
    When you have teenagers, these are the models you look for. I'll probably by a few.
    • ido 6y ago
      Is it?? My kids aren't teenagers yet but if they were I wouldn't be buying them $400 phones.
      • NegativeLatency 6y ago
        Going to force mine to learn how to use T9
      • asdf21 6y ago
        Yeah, you would be... after they begged for the 200th time.
        • Lammy 6y ago
          It's not entirely unwarranted begging. Personal electronics are the few status items kids/teens own, and while I'm sure every marketing department on the planet loves it, it's still a bad idea to make them visibly outcast by withholding a decent phone.
          • Invictus0 6y ago
            If the iPhone SE is the difference between being in the out and in groups, then you have much bigger problems.
            • asdf21 6y ago
              Then the entire planet has bigger problems
            • Lammy 6y ago
              This is no different from how things have always been. When I was growing up the kids who got hand-me-down clothes got picked on. Now it will be the kids with hand-me-down phones.
  • jseliger 6y ago
    A while ago I quit buying new models and switched to refurbished ones. The 7 I had did more or less what its predecessor did (car services, chat, remote camera control) and the one I have now (X or Xs?) does more or less what the 7 did. I can afford the newer ones, but I don't see the value relative to the four-figure cost.
    • eckza 6y ago
      I would still be using my 7 if it had a decent camera. I loved - LOVED - that phone.
      • Lammy 6y ago
        Ssh, don't tell me that! I've used my 128GB iPhone 7 since buying it used when the iPhone 8 was released, and I still think it has an excellent camera compared to my previous Galaxy Note 4.
        • spockz 6y ago
          There is also a difference between phones. My 7 only makes decent pictures under the best of conditions. In other conditions it yields grainy and water painting style pictures. My wife’s 7, ordered at the same time yields way sharper and higher resolution pictures in the same situations.
          • Lammy 6y ago
            Mine took this photo yesterday, and I can definitely see room for improvement both in overall sharpness and in detail clarity like the signs and foliage: https://i.imgur.com/U1mmscV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/U1mmscV.jpg It sits above my personal line of "good enough", though, and every photo will be mangled by $social_network JPEG compression before anybody else sees it anyway.
        • Causality1 6y ago
          See that's funny because despite switching to Oneplus I still miss the camera from my Note 4 every day. Even the "standard angle" cameras these days have such wide fields of view there's never enough detail on my subject to make my pictures worth having.
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  • Spooky23 6y ago
    My iPhone 8 was maxed out with storage and is going strong. But even as a tech person who loves phones, I don't see the value proposition... it feels like a fully loaded Honda Civic. I'd love the fancy camera, but the cost of the flagship seems to be way out of line with the value. I'd rather have a phone + macbook. (I keep computers for 4-5 years and phones for 2-2.5 depending on the battery), so the annualized cost of a fancy iphone is basically the same as a $500 phone + macbook.
  • danso 6y ago
    Yeah, I priced out the 256GB model and saw that it was $299, if I were to trade in my 8+. I reflexively assumed the store had an error and reloaded the page. Can't remember the last time I've seen a new Apple device priced at <$300 (iPod nano?)
    • mciancia 6y ago
      It's _not_ priced < 300USD since you have to give in your old iphone which still has some value
    • rchaud 6y ago
      I believe the 4GB HDD iPod was priced at $250 back in 2004 or 2005. The base model iPod Photo was $299.
    • thekyle 6y ago
      The iPad is close. It's $309 new from Apple without any discounts applied. Certainly it can be had for ~$250 elsewhere.
• amrrs 6y ago
  On a different note, Isn't it weird to see companies launching new phones when the whole world is fighting a pandemic? It's not like an essential that we can't live without. OnePlus just did a few days back. Do these companies expect people to buy new phones when they're are being laid off or is it just an annual ritual or a desparate move to be the first to capture the market when things become normal? Any insights please!
  • addison-lee 6y ago
    Plenty of people still working, and this is a budget iPhone; this is the perfect time to launch a cheap phone.
    • OrangeMango 6y ago
      It's likely to cannibalize sales from their higher-priced phones, but better to sell a cheaper phone than to lose the customer entirely. I noticed that if you scroll down to the bottom of the press release, they are also accepting orders for the magic iPad keyboard as of today...
      • addison-lee 6y ago
        As Apple moves to be more of a service-based company, they are likely factoring in the increase in service value for newly acquired/retained customers.
  • calvin 6y ago
    From Apple’s perspective, this is a good time to have a more affordable phone available for people who need to upgrade (broken, damaged, or lost phone) or are getting their first phone (kids).
  • crazygringo 6y ago
    They've already manufactured them. This rollout was all planned far, far, far in advance of COVID-19. What are they going to do? Not sell them and let them just sit in a warehouse? A ton of people are looking to upgrade their original SE and a lot of people who can work remotely and haven't been laid off are likely doing fine. I think that's all the insight needed.
• donohoe 6y ago
  Why couldn't they have kept the flat sides of the 'current' SE... ? That form factor is still the best.
  • tumaru 6y ago
    No doubt cheaper to reuse the existing iPhone 8 chassis. Probably a fair bit cheaper to manufacture at this point too.
  • naravara 6y ago
    The rumor mill suggests the next generation of flagship phones are going to have flat sides. So I'm guessing it's a way to differentiate and present flat edges as denoting "premium." The iPad Pro has flat sides too.
  • w-m 6y ago
    It will come back with the iPhone 12 Pro as the "Pro" form factor, inspired from the iPad Pro. No one will remember the 1st generation SE by then, and everyone will be blown away.
• aphextron 6y ago
  RIP to Apple's single greatest design, the iPhone 5 form factor.
  • wyxuan 6y ago
    They're considering putting iPhone 5esque body in the newer iPhones if that makes it any better
    • mrzool 6y ago
      Source?
      • Analemma_ 6y ago
        Multiple rumors sources are converging on the theory that the new iPhones will have the iPad Pro design, e.g. [0] [0]: https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/13/bloomberg-iphone-12-to-feature-smaller-notch-and-share-design-cues-with-ipad-pro-half-size-cheaper-homepod-later-this-year/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/13/bloomberg-iphone-12-to-featur...
        • saagarjha 6y ago
          I don’t see the 4” screen coming back, though :(
          • adequateness 6y ago
            I can see people not liking phones like > 6" screens because they are too hard to hold but it seems like 4" screens are too far in the opposite direction.
            • saagarjha 6y ago
              I have an iPhone 6 that I keep around (I normally use an iPhone SE, of course) and I don't really like it much; I find it uncomfortable to hold for long periods of time and I constantly have to use Reachability to get at stuff :(
• papermachete 6y ago
  >(PRODUCT)RED What about ";blue?
• laurentdc 6y ago
  Physical button and massive bezels, pass. Feels like buying a device from a tech era ago
  • jefft255 6y ago
    That's the point of the SE. Lots of people loved this design. Not everyone cares that much about bezels (I like mine thin personally however).
  • maximilianburke 6y ago
    This is what I want! Call me paranoid but I really don't want a phone with face ID; I want a button.
  • iso1631 6y ago
    Introduce a 3.5mm jack, a flat edge, and make it a little smaller and you'd have a perfect phone
• bitL 6y ago
  Hooray, no notch! The only recent iPhone that is not ugly right now.
  • davidcollantes 6y ago
    It doesn't have a notch, but the screen doesn't go edge to edge. I will take the notch any day, if that eliminates the top and bottom blocks.
    • whywhywhywhy 6y ago
      > It doesn't have a notch, but the screen doesn't go edge to edge Neither does the iPhone 11/Pro they have a very chunky bezel. I was shocked how clunky it actually looks when mine arrived.
• AdmiralAsshat 6y ago
  Now why can't we convince Android OEMs that decent specs in a small design is a worthwhile endeavor? The Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact is the last one that comes to mind.
  • aphextron 6y ago
    There's plenty of decent small Android phones. The problem is that they run Android.
    • calciphus 6y ago
      Personal preference is not a reason to post unhelpful comments. This isn't reddit. Edit : typo
      • aphextron 6y ago
        It's a pretty objective fact at this point that Android has more lag, is less secure, and has a worse app store than iOS. Practically the only reason anyone uses it is price.
    • XaspR8d 6y ago
      Or that they don't run real Android but some lagging downstream vendor-specific bloatware...
    • betaby 6y ago
      Could you please list them? I don't see any modern Android phone of the size iphone 5. All androids are huge, even compared with iphone 8.
    • matz1 6y ago
      Same thing could be said about iphones, they make decent hardware, the problem is that they run ios.
    • coldpie 6y ago
      No, there really aren't. Trust me, I spent days researching this and ended up with the Pixel 3A phablet that I hate. There are exactly zero decent Android phones <= 4.7".
• demarq 6y ago
  This is pretty much a flagship at below mid range price. It's like One Plus and Apple just switched sides on this one.
• jimbob45 6y ago
  No headphone jack?
  • judge2020 6y ago
    Nope: https://www.apple.com/iphone-se/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-se/specs/
• tentboy 6y ago
  I'm on a three year old iPhone SE that I recently had the battery replaced in (An incredible use of $50 if anyone is fining their phone dying all the time) I am really tempted to get this. I love the small form factor of my SE but I have large hands and the bigger screen might be a bit nice, and I really wish the camera was bit nicer on my current SE
  • emerongi 6y ago
    The SE is great but my battery is quite bad now and as soon as it gets below room temperature, the battery drops from 50% to 10% and then starts turning off. Probably will be changing the battery and keeping my current SE, the new one is not the same form factor. Agreed on the camera.
    • tentboy 6y ago
      Yep thats what happened with mine. i sent it back to Apple and had the battery replaced. I tried to make an appointment at the apple store but it said it wasn't available, maybe they don't have the parts for them in store. Truly a night and day difference. When I leave for the day I don't have to think about bringing my charger (although I still do sometimes in case of an emergency)
• youeseh 6y ago
  If the new one would have kept the design of the old one but added a full screen and updated cameras - that would have been perfect. I get the feeling that I'm part of a large niche with whom the old iPhoneSE saw success by accident.
  • JKCalhoun 6y ago
    Nah, I'm with you as well. Rounded edges? Thanks, hate 'em. If anyone knows of a case for the soap-phones that restores more of a hard edge so I can grip it with more confidence....
    • snazz 6y ago
      The glass back really helps grip it compared to the metal backs on the 6, 6s, and 7. Of course, any case with some rubber (like the Speck ones) are very grippy.
  • parsimo2010 6y ago
    The new iPhone 12 Pro is supposed to have a smaller screen than the 11 Pro and have squared sides, which basically means it will be shaped like the original SE, have a full screen, and the best cameras. Except for the price, the exact phone you want will probably be out later this year.
    • skrebbel 6y ago
      > shaped like the original SE But bigger, right?
      • zingar 6y ago
        yes :(
      • parsimo2010 6y ago
        Yes, but it will be smaller than the 6/7/8 line. The overall dimensions haven’t been leaked, but a 5.4” screen is 93% the size of the 5.8” on the 11 Pro. If we scale the outer dimensions by the same amount, the 12 Pro should be 133.8x66.4 mm, which is in between the original SE and the 6/7/8 lineup. Edit: after re-reading the leaks, it seems like the vanilla 12 is getting the smaller screen and not the Pro. So maybe we won’t have a smaller phone with square sides.
• m_eiman 6y ago
  Old iPhone SE: 123.8 mm (4.87 in) H 58.6 mm (2.31 in) W 7.6 mm (0.30 in) D Mass 113 g (4.0 oz) New iPhone SE: Height: 5.45 inches (138.4 mm) Width: 2.65 inches (67.3 mm) Depth: 0.29 inch (7.3 mm) Weight: 5.22 ounces (148 grams) (Copy-pasted from various places on iPad, sorry about inconsistencies)
  • davidkuhta 6y ago
    Thanks for sharing. Did a quick reformat: |------------------------------------------------------| | Dimension | Old | New | |------------------------------------------------------| | Height | 4.87 in (123.8 mm) | 5.45 in (138.4 mm) | | Width | 2.31 in ( 58.6 mm) | 2.65 in ( 67.3 mm) | | Thickness | 0.30 in ( 7.6 mm) | 0.29 in ( 7.3 mm) | | Weight | 4.00 oz (113.0 g) | 5.22 oz (148.0 g) | |------------------------------------------------------|
    • corey_moncure 6y ago
      Look it's 300 micrometers thinner!
  • o10449366 6y ago
    https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Apple-iPhone-SE,Apple-iPhone-8/phones/10001,10408 https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Apple-iPhone-SE,Apple...
  • floatingatoll 6y ago
    Relative change, old SE to new SE, in three forms. Percent — Height +11.8%, Width +14.9%, Depth -4.0%, Mass +31.0% Metric — Height +14.6mm, Width +8.7mm, Depth -0.3mm, Mass +35g Imperial — Height +0.58in, Width +0.34in, Depth -0.01in, Mass +1.22oz
  • ryanthered 6y ago
    For relative visual comparison: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&device2=iphoneSE2ndgen&device3=iphone11pro https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...
• judge2020 6y ago
  Looks like it doesn't come with the ultra wideband/UWB U1 chip, so this might impact future "AirTags" compatibility.
• threepio 6y ago
  "Popular design"? On the contrary. As an iPhone SE owner, this is exactly the form factor that fans of the iPhone 4/5 series (like me) rejected as being too large.
  • calvinbhai 6y ago
    4/4S/5 and the old SE are still my favourite designs / form factors (saying this despite owning 6/7/11Pro). I hope 12 will do away with rounded edges (similar to the latest iPad Pro).
  • NegativeLatency 6y ago
    I agree with what you’re saying but it is smaller than the X size phones
  • Eric_WVGG 6y ago
    Yup. If it’s any consolation, consistent rumors have been pointing to a new, smaller size added to the flagship lineup this fall. It will supposedly have a similar footprint to the 5 series, but with the bezel-less screen like the modern models.
    • mikestew 6y ago
      Were that rumor to be true, it would be the first time in ten years I'd line up at a physical store on launch day just to make sure I got one as rapidly as possible.
    • nico_h 6y ago
      Smaller as in similar sized to the iPhone 8 (5.4") instead of the iPhone 11 (6.1") or 11 PRO (5.8"). https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-12/ https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-12/ I went from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone SE instead of the 8 over the size.
      • zingar 6y ago
        A ray of hope, and so quickly crushed. Well at least I know not to get my hopes up.
• chaorace 6y ago
  $399 iPhone? Weird! I always thought Apple stayed out of that pricerange to keep the iPhone line a "prestige" purchase (especially given how little time the "c" lasted for). I suppose that's why this model has such an iPod-esque visual design, so that outside observers don't misconstrue the people using these with their "luxury" users. It's good to see more downward pressure coming from flagship phones lately, imo. It's a great analog to the Pixel "a" models and an overall smartphone trend that I'm very positive about!
  • Traster 6y ago
    Apple is shifting to a service revenue model with things like Apple TV+. I suspect they're realizing that to reproduce their iTunes monopoly they're going to need iPhones to be as ubiquitous as iPods.
  • wyldfire 6y ago
    > It's a great analog to the Pixel "a" models I think it's a direct response to that pressure. If GOOG designs Pixels w/Exynos chips (per recent rumors), they'll likely be cheaper than the Snapdragon ones. That will put even more downward pressure on these prices.
  • slimginz 6y ago
    The iPhone 5C, my guess, was Apple's experiment with having a cheaper end phone and seeing how the market would react to that. With the original SE, they probably had a ton of left over iPhone 5 shells so they chose that because it just made sense to use them. My guess is this is the same reason why the new SE has the shell from the 7/8. This also helps Apple cut down on price since they don't have to create new molds or re-engineer the interior much, which is probably how Apple is convincing themselves that they can still make their expected margins with a $399 price tag.
  • kick 6y ago
    The first SE was $399 as well, and that was years ago.
• Traster 6y ago
  80% of the way to a iPhone 11 Pro for 40% of the price.
  • jaywalk 6y ago
    That 80% is arguable. But probably 90%+ of the people buying the SE wouldn't have bought the 11 Pro anyway.
• ruffrey 6y ago
  I've been repairing an old iPhone SE for quite a while now, holding out for Apple to listen to customers like me saying "I want a decent phone that fits in my pocket." This makes me so happy, just like when I held onto a 2015 macbook pro until they went back to a "regular" keyboard.
  • wool_gather 6y ago
    > customers like me saying "I want a decent phone that fits in my pocket." This new one is exactly the same size as the 6, 7, and 8 that have been available for years...what about it has changed the situation for you?
    • ruffrey 6y ago
      I guess I missed that. Seeing the 4.7 inch screen spec made me think it was smaller than Apple's other current phones, closer to the original SE. Original SE: 123.8 mm (4.87 in) H 58.6 mm (2.31 in) W 7.6 mm (0.30 in) D New 2020 SE: 138.4 mm (5.45 in) H 67.3 mm (2.65 in) W 7.3 mm (0.29 in) D
• eps 6y ago
  I am a die-hard SE owner, so I guess this is something, but... Camera is sticking out. Edges are over-bevelled. But at least they kept Touch ID.
• bryanlarsen 6y ago
  This is not a small phone. It's almost the same size as the Google Pixel 4 which has a 5.7" display. SE: 5.45" x 2.65" Pixel: 5.79" x 2.71"
  • eqtn 6y ago
    This is the design the OG 5/5S owners like me disliked and bought SE later
  • _xander 6y ago
    It's not too bad. I'm a huge proponent of the one-handed phone after using a Nexus 5 for 6.5 years. I think there are two main contributors to one-handed usability: (1) volume of the chasis, with a particular focus on width and (2) screen size, with a particular focus on screen height. In terms of (1), the SE is in line with the Nexus 5 (and actually less wide), whilst the Pixel 4 is slightly bigger in all dimensions: N5: 137.9 x 69.2 x 8.6 mm (5.43 x 2.72 x 0.34 in) SE: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm (5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29 in) In terms of (2), a 4.7" screen with a 16:9 ratio is far easier to reach the top corners of than on a 5.7" that's 19:9. Yes, there is a bit less bezel on the Pixel 4 but it'll still be very difficult to reach the top one-handed with the taller screen. Specs source: [N5] https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php [SE] https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php
  • AgloeDreams 6y ago
    It's not supposed to be one, but both of these are smaller than current flagships.
• julian_digital 6y ago
  Fingerprint Sensor = works with covid masks!
  • philsnow 6y ago
    But not covid gloves ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    • hrktb 6y ago
      My 6S works surprisingly well with thin transparent gloves. They're white color, but it seems they're thin enough to expose the ridges.
• samename 6y ago
  The Dual SIM with eSIM is a nice touch - is this the first iPhone to get it?
  • kissiel 6y ago
    Nope. XS, XSMax, XR, 11 and 11 pros all have that.
  • bdcravens 6y ago
    No, it was introduced in the iPhone XS/XS Max. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209044 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209044
  • jiveturkey 6y ago
    bam. that's the feature i need to upgrade my 8. but iOS still needs profiles. i'm really surprised they haven't done this yet. i wonder if google has patents that make this too expensive (or impossible) to do on iOS.
• eganist 6y ago
  > A13 Well, found my new iOS test phone.
• ivraatiems 6y ago
  As a current iPhone SE user, here's my assessment: Pros: * Feature set in terms of processor, camera, etc., is exactly what I want * Continued presence of Touch ID is a huge plus, I don't like Face ID * Price point is, admittedly, fantastic Cons: * Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable * Form factor is, candidly, still too big for my tiny hands * Color schemes aren't as nice as the SE's (can I contribute to COVID-19 research without getting a bright red phone?) I will be considering this phone, but skeptically. Would be ideal for me to be able to physically hold one before buying, but not sure that'll be possible (maybe I can borrow somebody's iPhone 8).
  • racl101 6y ago
    You might as well give up on the headphone jack bud. It ain't coming back.
    • minikites 6y ago
      And give up on the screen size. The number of people who want a phone to fit in their hands and pockets is effectively zero compared to people who want huge screens to scale up content size or watch videos on their commute.
      • richardwhiuk 6y ago
        If you wanted a massive screen, the iPhone 11 has been out for ages (although at a premium price point)
      • svantana 6y ago
        Not only that, but as an SE owner I can attest that many apps and web pages have more or less broken UIs on its screen. And I can't blame creators for not wanting to spend effort on a form factor with small and diminishing user share.
        • ryantgtg 6y ago
          I'm the opposite type of (amateur) developer - I designed an app with an SE as my testing device. I was months into the development process before I said, "hey maybe I should look at the app on an XR." But it was pretty simple to scale the design up. I mostly just adjusted some left/right margins for the larger devices.
• racl101 6y ago
  Yes. Me likey!!! THESE ARE GONNA SELL LIKE HOTCAKES!!!
• ComputerGuru 6y ago
  Tangential: the scroll performance on hardware-accelerated Chrome for the landing page is absolutely atrocious on a Xeon v6 running past full frequency (3.6GHz, so not in energy-saving mode). I would have expected better of Apple. \shrug\
  • winrid 6y ago
    Site feels great on my 2017 One Plus. What graphics card do you have? Are you sure the correct drivers are installed...?
  • b3kart 6y ago
    Apple web dev: It’s butter-smooth on my maxed-out Mac Pro, what are you on about? /s
• tazjin 6y ago
  The old iPhone SE had two things that appealed to me (and anecdotally, that appealed to some of my friends): 1. it was small-ish 2. it had a headphone jack Without those I don't see this as a viable followup product.
  • richardwhiuk 6y ago
    This is really a follow up to the iPhone 7/8.
    • ben174 6y ago
      Thus being referred to by the speculators as the iPhone 9.
  • therealdrag0 6y ago
    What're you using now?
    • tazjin 6y ago
      I bought an S10e a while back because I didn't want to use iOS anymore. At the time it was the smallest Android phone with a headphone jack. It's decent hardware, a little too large, and with some terrible Samsung-bloatware on it - not ideal, but there are no alternatives.
  • developerdylan 6y ago
    It's still viable for most people. Most people will be okay with the included pair of wired headphones.
    • motge 6y ago
      I use my EarPods with headphone plug on a number of devices. The one with the Lightning connector is only useable with Apple devices, so this is again a vendor lockin. This has to stop.
• whalesalad 6y ago
  Apple stock is going to go bananas. Wall Street is going to love this.
  • minimaxir 6y ago
    I dunno; Wall Street loves ARPU, and this might bring it down a bit.
• umanwizard 6y ago
  Is it known how much RAM this has?
  • sturza 6y ago
    4gb
    • umanwizard 6y ago
      Is there a source for that? Can't find it anywhere.
      • sturza 6y ago
        I made the wrong assumption. It's 3GB: https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php https://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2020)-10170.php
  • dwaltrip 6y ago
    Seconded! I was utterly baffled that Apple doesn't include the RAM in the tech specs.
• basejumping 6y ago
  Is the frame made of aluminium or glass? I can't find it mentioned anywhere.
  • wffurr 6y ago
    Glass front and back, aluminum edges.
• cbovis 6y ago
  So $400 equals roughly £320 and yet the retail price on the UK store is £419 🧐 https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-se/4.7-inch-display-64gb-white https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-se/4.7-inch-...
  • wiredfool 6y ago
    Vat is applied in the price in the UK, and sales tax is at checkout in the US.
    • cbovis 6y ago
      Interesting, I'd find that super annoying as a consumer that's used to seeing the full price (ex. delivery) upfront. Is this standard practice for online US stores?
      • Hamuko 6y ago
        It's standard practice in the US, full stop.
      • adar 6y ago
        All stores in the US do this, online or brick and mortar.
      • wiredfool 6y ago
        There’s probably more than 10k potential sales tax rates in the US, so you get used to it.
        • anticensor 6y ago
          It is not like accountant does not calculate and pay the tax for each tax jurisdiction anyway.
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• richardwhiuk 6y ago
  iPhone 11, with an iPhone 7/8 body. Sounds ideal to me.
• jventura 6y ago
  No headphone jack and form factor > 4" it's a no-go for me.. I'm still on the 5S, my next one will be a SE 1 when my 5S blows up..
• buzzy_hacker 6y ago
  Devastated they increased the size, but saw it coming. It’s the same as an iPhone 8, which is too big.
  • therealdrag0 6y ago
    I loved the SE, but now am on an 8 after it broke. TBH I adjusted pretty quickly. It is a bit unstable to hold at times, but I rarely notice it. And just as often I wish I had more screen real-estate such as to fit a PDF on screen. :shrug: trade-offs.
• rawrmaan 6y ago
  As a son, I am sad that my mom will not get to have her preferred screen size (4") in her next phone. As a developer, I'm ecstatic that I'll never have to think about supporting a tiny 4" screen again.
  • lucascantor 6y ago
    I’d assume this new SE, like the 6, 6S, 7, and 8 before it, will continue to prompt users during the initial out-of-box setup process if they want to run their display in “zoomed-in” mode, making the resolution effectively identical to the 4” screen of the older smaller phones. This is effectively an accessibility feature, but Apple proactively prompts users to enable it.
• cdubzzz 6y ago
  Quick size comparison of the two generations -- https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&device2=iphoneSE2ndgen https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...
• symlinkk 6y ago
  I don’t think I could go back to not having FaceID and having a physical home button. The size and the price is perfect though.
• thereyougo 6y ago
  As much as I love apple products (I'm using mac and iPhone for years) I do think that the spark in their innovation is slowly fading. I can't remember the last time they 'Wow'ed me.
  • AgloeDreams 6y ago
    This is a budget device which is code for 'old iphone, new internals' Probably just not the release you need to be wowed, they did this before.
• sn_master 6y ago
  I use Pixel 4, and I absolutely hate not having a fingerprint sensor. Cons: * At night it doesn't work, because I am laying on the bed and half my face is covered. * It doesn't work when I am not wearing my glasses. Annoying when I have just woken up or going to bed and want to check a quick notification. * Sometimes it unlocks by itself even if I don't want it to. For the headphone jack, I got a cheap USB-C ones and couldn't be happier. Bluetooth just doesn't work all the time. It sometimes refuses to pair for random reasons, specially if you paired it with something else, you can never be sure its charged enough, easy to forget it turned on and have the batteries depleted etc etc.
  • packetlost 6y ago
    This sums up my experience with the Pixel 4 too. It's not enough to push me away from it, but it's a bunch of minor annoyances that make me have to enter my rather long passcode more often than I should have to.
    • jen20 6y ago
      FWIW the Apple implementation of Face ID deals very well with both sunglasses and regular eyeglasses as well as the absence of them. Face masks, obviously, not so much however!
      • packetlost 6y ago
        I don't actually have much of an issue with glasses or sunglasses on. Google's implementation isn't bad, but I do miss my fingerprint scanner.
  • ihuman 6y ago
    > It doesn't work when I am not wearing my glasses FaceID works with and without my glasses. I can't remember if it learned this automatically, or if I added it as an "alternative appearance." Does the Pixel 4 have any options like that?
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• electriclove 6y ago
  Fantastic specs for a fantastic price! I wonder what effect this will have on the other mobile manufacturers.
• DrNuke 6y ago
  Carrying on with the 2019 iPad Mini wifi + a $25 Nokia dumbphone.
• dceddia 6y ago
  I guess the size escalation is just like with cars. It seems "nobody" wants smaller phones or cars, so every time there's a new model they get bigger. As a person who does actually prefer smaller phones and cars, it's a disappointing trend. "Buy used" or "deal with it", I suppose.
• baq 6y ago
  this is what i'll get when my 8 breaks, hopefully not in the next 2 years
• throw_m239339 6y ago
  What is that app displayed here? https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/iphone/standard/Apple_new-iphone-se-ar-screen_04152020_carousel.jpg.large.jpg https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/iphone/standar...
  • _venkatasg 6y ago
    Probably Reality Composer https://apps.apple.com/app/reality-composer/id1462358802 https://apps.apple.com/app/reality-composer/id1462358802
• testerhn 6y ago
  https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphone8&device2=iphoneSE2ndgen https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphone8&device...
• Apocryphon 6y ago
  As an iPhone SE user, I am sympathetic to those who miss its screen size. However, as someone who also remembers how desperate the market was for an iPhone with larger real estate around the 5/5S/5C era, and how evolutionary the iPhone 6 was when it came out, I am fine with it being a compromise size. I also understand that last year’s X-cessively large phones have conditioned users to be resigned towards huge pricy devices, thus making this new SE more dramatic-seeming.
• jakear 6y ago
  Glad to see a non faceID option. I'm on an 11 Pro currently, will probably sidegrade to this. FaceID is incredibly unreliable in my opinion, and it almost always takes more time that touchID did. Furthermore, "Reachability" (the feature where you slide the UI down for easy access with one hand) is much more difficult to access and dismiss with no home button. It's rare I don't accidentally invoke some UI action when trying to dismiss reachability mode (mistakes include: dialing additional numbers, super-linking on tinder, clicking on links in websites, etc.) Apple seems to know this, the store workers I spoke with when I was purchasing the phone admitted it was difficult to use. Is it rose colored glasses, or would old Apple never release products that the Apple Store workers have to tell you are "difficult to use"?
  • DangerousPie 6y ago
    Repeating myself here but for me FaceID actually does feel like an improvement, despite my many doubts about it in the beginning. Yes there are some occasions where it doesn't work well (when you're trying to unlock the phone without looking at it properly) but there are also many occasions where it works much better. Most of the time my phone now unlocks so smoothly that I don't even realise it was locked. I just take it out of my pocket, swipe up and I'm on my home screen. Agreed on reachability though, that has never worked well for me either. I just avoid using it now.
    • jakear 6y ago
      If there were a quick way to switch over to pin input, and furthermore the pin input would constantly be looking for your face rather than needing to switch out of pin mode to try for faceid, it might be okay. Two situations make faceid unusable: 1. I’m in bed and bedding materials occlude my face. 2. I’m using my hair to purposefully occlude my face in areas with public surveillance In both of these situations touching the home button would be much easier.
      • ryan93 6y ago
        Do you actually cover your face when around public cameras.
• coldpie 6y ago
  Yes. I'm an Android user who is absolutely sick of phablets. I have a Pixel 3A (5.6") and it is way, way too big. I've been quite excited about this iPhone SE announcement. However, the lack of a headphone jack is a huge negative, and 4.7" is the absolute largest I think is reasonable. A little smaller would've been ideal. I'm undecided on whether to switch to the SE, but I genuinely hope it sells like crazy. Then maybe the Android copycat manufacturers like Google will copy the small form factor, but add in a headphone jack. One can dream...
  • Nursie 6y ago
    There have usually been smaller androids available. But people didn't buy them in enough numbers to make them a thriving sector AFAICT. Samsung used to do the Galaxy Mini line, Sony always had smaller xperia's... But most folks seem to want a bigger, shinier screen. That's not to say you're wrong in your desires, it's just they might not be widely shared. I also hope this does well. It's a nice looking unit.
    • ogre_codes 6y ago
      Most of the time those smaller form factor Android phone have had lackluster CPU, mediocre battery life, and crappy cameras. The SE is very close to a flagship product in terms of performance.
      • Nursie 6y ago
        Indeed, I think it's been a vicious circle of lack of demand leading to lacklustre products. This phone does look close to flagship in terms of cpu etc, though may be missing various features - multiple cameras etc - compared to actual flagships. I'd like a tiny flagship....
        • ogre_codes 6y ago
          There are a lot of reasons small Android phones didn't work. One of the biggest reasons Android went to bigger form factors first was because they needed the extra battery capacity. Android was a bit of a battery hog and, CPUs on the higher end Android phones were pretty demanding. That last bit is likely the biggest reason small form factor Android died an untimely death.
• tartrate 6y ago
  "Best Single-Camera System in an iPhone" Is there another iPhone with a single-camera system? Otherwise it just sounds like they had 0 other good things to say about it. Soon we're down to "the newest iPhone ever released so far".
  • 333c 6y ago
    There are certainly all the previous iPhones that had just one (back-facing) camera. I suppose they're saying that it's better than all of those. Every year they say that the new phone is the "best iPhone ever," which I suppose is true but isn't a very strong statement. Edit: Actually, the iPhone XR has just one camera: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-xr https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-xr
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• betaby 6y ago
  Too large. Does anybody know a modern Android phone with the size of the IPhone 5?
  • cko 6y ago
    The smallest one I've found that's usable is Sony Xperia XZ1 compact. It's a late 2017 phone. But it's around the same size.
• shepardrtc 6y ago
  This looks almost exactly like an iPhone 6... The measurements are the same.
• petilon 6y ago
  You can get iPhone 6s for $100 from cellular carriers such as AT&T: https://www.att.com/buy/prepaid-phones/browse/apple/ https://www.att.com/buy/prepaid-phones/browse/apple/ I am sure the new iPhone SE has more advanced everything but if you're just using it for text messages, occasional photo and Whatsapp you'll hardly notice any difference.
  • Invictus0 6y ago
    What about 3 years from now? It doesn't make sense to stick with the 6s for much longer, and I'm speaking as a current 6s user.
    • petilon 6y ago
      I am currently using the original iPhone SE and for my purposes it works just fine. I use it for texting, Google Maps, checking stock prices, occasional photo/movie, email, WhatsApp, bank apps, NYTimes app, Apple Pay. I had the battery replaced last year and plan to use it for the next 3 years or until Apple adds a compelling new feature to the iPhone (which they haven't for several years). I dislike the newer iPhones because they are too big to be comfortable in my jeans pocket.
• richardwhiuk 6y ago
  No 5G radio support...
• cletus 6y ago
  So at my previous employer I kept separate work and personal phones. At my current employer I decided I wasn't going to do that. Who wants to carry two phones? Or pay for a personal service you barely use? I'm fortunate enough that my work phone is (now) an iPhone 11 Pro. I routinely go to Australia for extended periods and need a phone there. For years (>5) I used the last personal phone I bought myself, the iPhone 6S, which was still doing quite well since ~2 years ago it had a free battery replacement. But I finally decided to upgrade this. I like the 11 Pro (particularly the cameras) but I find the narrower screen a little annoying (compared to the previous work phone, the iPhone 7 Plus). But damn phones are expensive now. I couldn't justify the almost $2000 for an iPhone 11 Pro Max and decided to spend "only" half that on an iPhone 11 instead. It lacks one of the cameras but it has a bigger screen than the 11. I really see no reason to spend the huge extra on the 11 Pro or Pro Max. But by God do I hate Face ID (even more so on my iPad). It's horrible. Apple says the false positive rate on Touch ID was too high. I say the false negative rate on Face ID is too high and this is incredibly frustrating. Worse, Apple tries to make it more secure by forcing policies on you like 5 failed attempts means it asks for a passcode. Failed attempts include passive fails where you just haven't positioned the phone right. I think Apple just got rid of Touch ID to have more screen area, honestly. That's not such a bad thing but what I'd give for an iPhone that had a fingerprint sensor on the back (like the Samsung Galaxy S9 did, which I also briefly used). So the presence of Touch ID makes me almost want to buy one of these but I can't go back screen size wise. As an aside, I am tempted to get rid of my iPad Pro and replace it with the newer (non-Pro) iPad because those still do have Touch ID. This really is an updated iPhone 8 with a modern CPU. It seems like a pretty good deal to me. But please, Apple, give me a Touch ID option.
• erickhill 6y ago
  I realized recently that Face ID is useless when I'm out and about because of face masks.
• alexashka 6y ago
  Nice, now if they can start making phones with easily replaceable batteries, screens and charging ports that don't break on every one of my iPhones, we'll have a product that should've been made from the very start.
• dougmwne 6y ago
  I have to wonder if it's a marketing mistake to call this phone an SE. Most of the people I know who were sticking with the SE did so because they loved the small size and form factor. It seems that offering an upgraded iPhone 8 to those people is going to fall flat. That said, this looks like a fantastic bargain. One of the best cameras and fastest chips on the market on a $400 phone with years and years of OS support. And in my own opinion, a 4" screen is obsolete these days because app and mobile web design has moved on to larger devices. 5" is even starting to feel cramped on some apps like Google Maps.
• andrepd 6y ago
  I was itching for this announcement, not because I want to buy an iPhone, but because this will finally mean other manufacturers will start to make compact phones. It drives me up the wall that I simply cannot find a reasonably competent phone (i.e. mid/upper range from the past 4 years) which is not absolutely fucking huge. It's insane that the "phablet" standard from ~5 years ago is now not even the new standard, but the only standard.
  • jdjrirkfkfk 6y ago
    Consumers voted with their wallet. The market for tiny phones is tiny. Apple can do it for the hipster factor, but that doesn't work with other producers.
  • fergie 6y ago
    Agreed. In terms of form the iPhone 5 was best. The last iphone that could be used one-handed.
    • close04 6y ago
      If they'd have minimal bezels, for comfort, in an iPhone 5 body we'd have about ~5.2" available for the screen. Unfortunately keeping the bezels for the fingerprint reader, earpiece, and front camera (~60% screen to body ratio) means that while it would fit better in small hands, the small screen may not give a great experience with today's content (sites, apps), or our eyes. My old iPod Touch 5th gen. was quite a shocker for everyone who nostalgically reminisced about the good old times of small screens. I guess it depends what one expects from the phone.
      • rock_artist 6y ago
        that's something many people would've hoped. but Apple product cycle is re-cycle. so the R&D of this SE allows going to target price while keeping their expected revenue. Sadly as I'm not getting any younger my SE 4" becomes harder on my eyes and my decision of having 16GB at the time got it to be filled. though it's really the best phone and most reliable phone I had. (that's btw a pro for using the iPhone 6s -> 8 design including fixes for bendgate/audio ic/etc at least I hope so)
• FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  Why do the edges need to be round? Can this idiotic trend die already? It makes it easier for the phone to slide off of flat surfaces. It also makes it much harder to hold the phone with one hand since all the weight that concentrates on your pinky rests painfully on 2-3 millimeters of your skin rather than being spread across the full thickness of the phone. It also makes it easier for the phone to slip out of your hand if your pinky isn’t at just the right location and angle, the smooth curve means it just slides right off your pinky knuckle and onto the floor. No one ever asked for this.
• sangd 6y ago
  The reasons I bought my SE were: 1. being small 2. powerful as the iPhone 6s. I'm quite disappointed with this. I wish they could have kept the same size and increases the dpi with a big larger screen.
• infinite_beam 6y ago
  I am still using my iphone 6 (from 2014) without any issue besides airpods not working well with Ip6. I have been hankering for an upgrade. This might be it.
• doanerock 6y ago
  Why does it have the same name as a previously released phone? That is so confusing. Why not iPhone SE2
  • AgloeDreams 6y ago
    Ask the iPad Pro. Or 13 inch MacBook Pro. or Airpods. You'll see it referred to by 'iPhone SE (2020)'
    • saagarjha 6y ago
      It’s actually “iPhone SE (2nd generation)”.
• forgingahead 6y ago
  Original SE user here (and I have a spare sitting unwrapped on my bookshelf as a backup): I'm disappointed by the lack of a headphone jack and the size, while better than the phablet nonsense, is still bigger than I would like. I'm actually not sure what I will do after these phones go kaput, I only use my phone for calls, music, Whatsapp, and maybe maps (though with travel completely halted for the medium term, I don't even need that). If there was a feature phone version of Whatsapp, I'd probably go back to one of those.
  • snazz 6y ago
    WhatsApp runs on KaiOS feature phones, which are marketed to developing countries. Google Maps and YouTube also have official support: https://www.kaiostech.com/explore/apps/ https://www.kaiostech.com/explore/apps/
• r0fl 6y ago
  No one is stating the obvious here! Apple is making more and more money from the app store and is trying to get into the streaming content game. Streaming tv shows and movies on a tiny screen is not as enjoyable,therefore the old SE screen size is simply never going to happen.
• Ritsuko_akagi 6y ago
  Wait, no nightmode?
  • AgloeDreams 6y ago
    Thats an iPhone 11 Pro feature only. Not even the 11 gets it. EDIT: My mistake, was thinking of Deep Fusion.
    • mavidser 6y ago
      11 has night mode.
• Eliezer 6y ago
  I care about absolutely none of this except weight, which they're not announcing. What a mockery of a successor to the SE name. I guess I'll hold on to my current SE until that's absolutely untenable and then abandon the iOS platform - really hope there's some more secure Android option by then.
  • xenonite 6y ago
    weight: 148g
• llort2 6y ago
  I hope it comes with that brand new contact tracing feature so they know where I am all the time.
• Tade0 6y ago
  One of the biggest advantages of the first gen SE (aside from size) was its sub 120g weight - my SO has one and even with the protective case it's very easy on the hands - especially when lying down and holding it in the air. The current gen weights almost as much as my Galaxy S8, which is objectively a rather heavy object to be held for extended periods of time. All in all I was meaning to get her one once it's released, but given the weight of the device that won't happen.
• ibdf 6y ago
  I have the latest iphone, but only because I switched carriers and got a good deal. FaceID is fine, but touch ID was way way better... but why don't they put it on the back of the phone like Android phones do? It's so much easier to use it and then you don't have those huge bezels.
• grwthckrmstr 6y ago
  Is it weird that we're in 2020 and I still keep assuming that phones have a headphone jack by default... Until I check the spec sheet and realise there's no headphone jack :(
• newsrss 6y ago
  They rereleased the iPhone 6. What's there to be excited about? This has nothing on the original SE.
  • ollien 6y ago
    It has upgraded internals, no? So it's the iPhone 6 with some beefier insides, just like the original SE. But yes, it has nothing on the original SE, since it has the same size as the iPhone 8...
• werber 6y ago
  I haven't felt like Apple has been making products for me recently until the Macbook Air release and now this. Sane price points, and the exact features I need. Not sure what changed over there, but I'm really impressed.
  • thekyle 6y ago
    I'm sure there are many factors. But Jony Ive did recently leave.
    • werber 6y ago
      I just read his wiki, what influence did he have over pricing? Like, design wise this all seems on brand but it feels like maybe it be a different part of the business for pricing. But, i have no hardware experience or knowledge
  • totalZero 6y ago
    It's almost as if a major world event convinced Apple management to optimize their product line for consumers who have less money to spend on devices. Not sure what could have caused that, though.
    • graeme 6y ago
      This has been in the works for a year or two at least. Hardware cycles don’t happen in weeks.
      • totalZero 6y ago
        It is not a coincidence that MSRP is announced at a "sane price point" (uncommon for Apple, which sells a monitor stand for $1000) right when the mobile phone market shrinks. Apple's mobile handset prices have been cut by 10% or more in China. In the US, new iPad Pro and Macbook Air prices have been discounted about 20% by authorized retailers and new old stock of the fully loaded MBP15 was discounted 35% by Best Buy a couple of days ago. Apple typically reports a profit margin of about 1/3 for its devices on average, and 2/3 for its services. My understanding based on gross margin numbers from competitors is that handsets fall on the higher side of that average, and PCs on the lower side. In times when consumer demand for devices is expected to be price-elastic (eg when 15 million Americans get laid off in the span of three weeks and vast numbers of people are staying home so they don't need to replace mobile devices as frequently), margin can come down to increase unit sales and optimize net profit. Handsets are not sold in a free market; prices are set by Apple and its partners. If they don't bring the price down, there are some consumers who will say "this is nice; I want it, but I can't afford it right now." That cohort of near-miss buyers would constitute a deadweight loss -- an inefficiency between supply and demand, caused by the pricing scheme set by Apple itself. You can entice those shoppers to buy anyway (ie, eliminate the market inefficiency) by reducing the price. Pricing products expensively to widen gross margins works to increase profit in a time when demand is strong, but when demand is depressed and consumer discretionary spending becomes scarce, prices must come down to optimize for the new demand picture. On a separate note, this particular device re-uses many components from past Apple devices (as did the previous SE), so you ought to differentiate the timespan of its development cycle from a new flagship handset for which a new processor is developed and most third-party components are being implemented for the first time.
• Lio 6y ago
  Not really a big fan of the Lightning connector. IMHO it’s a poor design. The socket on this iPhone 6S+ is wearing out because the springs are in the device and not the cable. It’s hit and miss if the phone charges now. (I keep it still because I want an iPhone with a 3.5mm headphone socket).
  • crazygringo 6y ago
    Well it's got wireless charging now so many people will essentially never use the Lightning connector ever.
    • Lio 6y ago
      It's slow though and somewhat inefficient compared to fast wired charging. I really wish they would just upgrade the Lightning connector to the industry standard USB-C port that Apple thankfully use on everything else.
      • crazygringo 6y ago
        It's tricky though. I don't wish that, simply because I don't want to have to upgrade my Lightning-connector dock, speakers, pencil, HDMI dongle, charging cables, and I'm probably forgetting a couple more things. When customers have invested in an entire ecosystem around a connector type, we really don't want to change more often than every 20 years or so. And I personally don't care if it takes 1 hour or 7 hours to charge wirelessly, I'm asleep. The times when I need to emergency-charge during the day I can still use the port though.
        • Lio 6y ago
          I feel your pain with regard to loosing the lightning connector. For me I guess I’d have to buy a new proprietary cable for my car. The cost of replacing all your stuff is one of the consequences of buying things with proprietary connectors. I have an Apple USB Superdrive. It looks great but was purposely designed only to work with a MacBook. No reason for that except to keep me in the “ecosystem”. Apple could release a Lightning to USB-C dongle for you. That would allow you to reuse your Lightning pencil ...if they wanted to.
• Nextgrid 6y ago
  Too bad the gold color option is gone.
  • rosstex 6y ago
    Rose gold for me! But I might have to settle.
• scop 6y ago
  I wonder how much of the form factor was determined by: (a) space required by newer components (b) leftover (i.e. unsold) iPhone 8 materials
• DylanBohlender 6y ago
  Is there any confirmation that this phone will/won't support 5G? It seems to be omitted in the marketing materials. While multiple years of OS support would be nice in this form factor, not being able to use 5G data would be a big negative in terms of this being "futureproofed".
  • coder543 6y ago
    The new iPhone SE definitely doesn’t have any 5G. 5G is extremely overrated. LTE is easily capable of 200Mbps. I’ve personally seen it... but very few people have. Have you? (relevant link that demonstrates over 500Mbps on LTE: https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/iphone-11-pro-max-lte-speed-test-telus/ https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/iphone-11-pro-max-lte-spe...) Until our towers have enough network backhaul to consistently max out LTE to a phone when that phone needs it, 5G has exactly one benefit: less signal congestion at major sporting / concert events with high densities of people. The carriers would say “marketing” is another benefit, probably. Just having 5G won’t make the internet any faster in most situations, since the towers are backhaul limited... they aren’t limited by LTE. Even 200Mbps is more than enough for 99% of people's phones for the next 5 years, especially since that's like double the average home internet speed in the US. The 537Mbps seen in the article I linked to is just excessive by today's standards... and that just requires current LTE. “5G” also refers to two completely different technologies, which most people probably don’t realize. One of them doesn’t even seem very different from LTE, and the other requires towers for almost every single city block.
• dzonga 6y ago
  I have the 1st gen SE and a pixel 3a. pixel 3a screen currently shuttered. But will gladly switch back to 2nd gen SE if they let me run Firefox on that thing. I will compromise on a headphone jack n get an mp3 player
  • tradesmanhelix 6y ago
    Firefox for iOS has been out for quite a while: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/id989804926 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/i.... Unless I'm missing something?
    • dzonga 6y ago
      firefox, using the firefox engine. not being a simple wrapper around webkit.
      • tradesmanhelix 6y ago
        Ahh gotcha. Yeah, that’d be the day they probably also release Seamonkey Mobile for iOS/Android /s
• rock_artist 6y ago
  One real con imho, no Night Mode. They could've at least some of this logic (with the A13 included).
  • scrumper 6y ago
    Wait, no "night shift" or something else? The 8 had that...
• woah 6y ago
  Does anyone know if it includes ARKit? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/arkit/tracking_and_visualizing_faces https://developer.apple.com/documentation/arkit/tracking_and...
  • dcoupl 6y ago
    Looks like it does support ARKit, source: https://www.apple.com/ios/augmented-reality/ https://www.apple.com/ios/augmented-reality/ (bottom of the page)
• netsharc 6y ago
  Why is the color called PRODUCT(RED)? What next, "White Pro" as a color?
  • deleted 6y ago
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  • ebg13 6y ago
    PRODUCT(RED) is a charity campaign originally to help fight HIV/AIDS. https://www.red.org https://www.red.org
• graeme 6y ago
  Quick comment about sizes and popularity. This is the size of the iPhone 6/6S/7/8 form factor. There are a LOT of iPhone models of this type. They're bigger than the old SE, but effectively a fair bit smaller than the X/XS/11 Pro format, which has a much larger screen to manage. So, this phone gives those of us who liked the 8 body size an upgrade path. David Smith compiled iPhone usage stats for his app. The iPhone 6/6S/7/8 had 47% share. The iPhone 5s/old SE had 11% share. The X/XS/11 Pro size had 12% share. So, this new SE is an extremely common and and popular design. https://david-smith.org/blog/2019/06/24/the-popularity-of-the-4-dot-7-inch-iphone/ https://david-smith.org/blog/2019/06/24/the-popularity-of-th...
  • gok 6y ago
    That is almost a year old though...
    • graeme 6y ago
      Yeah, but you’d expect the relative proportions to stay the same. There were no new phones released in either form factor.
      • gok 6y ago
        Hm? The whole iPhone 11 class was released, the sale of the 6/7/8 line was substantially cut down, and there's another year of older form factor devices wearing out.
        • graeme 6y ago
          Yes, but the OP was comparing the new SE size to the old SE. I expect that those two form factors have similar proportions to each other.
  • hrktb 6y ago
    I guess you are really comparing screen sizes ? The physical size of the 8 and this new SE is pretty much the same as the X/11 Pro (it's only smaller 5~6mm in height, 4mm in width, 0.4~8 mm in depth). If you were holding up on your 8 because of that, I'd say you can fork the 1000+ bucks for the X or 11 Pro, it will be an upgrade in every dimension except Touch ID disappearing.
• livealife 6y ago
  What does SE mean?
• bruwozniak 6y ago
  Last 2 days: an iPhone with flagship CPU is at the 400$ price point, meanwhile OnePlus releases a 900$ device. How ironic.
• villgax 6y ago
  What's with the design, should have gone flat edges & slimmer bezels & in display fingerprint. From experience of 5 year old 5S, TouchID just doesn't work with little sweat or dust. In display readers on other phones just work so amazingly
• bythckr 6y ago
  As an iPhone 5, 5s & SE user; pass, its too big. Apple still doesn't understand why users like me still stick with iphone SE - the size.
• LoSboccacc 6y ago
  I really want to jump back into iPhones and prepared to sustain another painful migration back into ios, but not with no guarantees I'll have a product refresh in the coming years; I've been forced out of the ecosystem once and I'm not going to get burned twice.
• rchaud 6y ago
  The most interesting aspect of the phone for me is that it looks to have the 16:9 ratio that's been abandoned industry-wide for 19:9, which I find to be extremely narrow. I'm still holding on to my 4-year old Galaxy S7 because it's 5-inch, 16:9 display is just the right size. I have a newer 19:9 phone and even with fairly large man-hands, I struggle to reach the corners of the screen with my thumb, which is where most menu items are located.
• jotm 6y ago
  I actually like the "borders" on top and bottom, makes it easier to hold and use the phone. That said, Apple is really taking the piss with these displays. Just like the iPhone 11, not only is the resolution laughable (Apple used to be a leader here, what happened?) but it's also IPS LCD, which uses more power and has worse viewing angles and colors. OLEDs are excellent and competitors at this price point have them, so why not Apple?
• alkonaut 6y ago
  Wow this is pretty aggressively priced. It’s very unlike Apple to self-compete like this. It looks like this will eat into the iPhone 11 sales.
• egypturnash 6y ago
  eyes the specs eyes her 6s and the very nice earbuds that can still plug into it ponders other things she could do with $400 I miss the Actually Small form factor but I've gotten used to the slightly larger 6s and I sure don't miss it four hundred bucks plus the cost of some bluetooth earbuds and having to hassle with keeping the bluetooth Square reader powered up the next time I sell stuff at a comics con. I think this is a fine day to buy a new case to replace the one that I got along with the phone. It's been slowly falling apart and I'm worried it might not save the phone the next time I drop it. Twenty bucks for a black Speck and ten bucks for a gold accent Popsocket. Sounds good.
  • rubatuga 6y ago
    You also get tap payments with the Bluetooth square reader which is much more seamless of an experience for the customer.
    • egypturnash 6y ago
      You are forgetting the seam where it goes to sleep after a while when it’s not being used every few minutes, and needs to be reconnected while the customer is waiting. In a crowded convention hall full of thousands of other vendors doing the same thing. Oh, and the seam where if you do get it to connect to your phone, you then have both your phone and the customer’s phone fighting to get a connection to a tower saturated by people sharing their con photos/videos, streaming, and trying to process credit card transactions. It’s bad enough with one phone trying to authorize the transaction. Also the seam where it’s one more damn thing to run out of power when you are at a table with nowhere to plug in because you are not gonna be moving enough stuff to be worth paying a couple hundred extra for the power fees unless you are a small press with the work of a dozen or so creators on your table.
      • elsonrodriguez 6y ago
        Please stop you're going to give me nightmares about waiting for the freight elevator parking to free up.
• nicwolff 6y ago
  Just a reminder that the terrific old 4" iPhone SE is still available refurbished on Amazon for about $100. Runs the current OS and all apps. Camera sucks by modern standards.
• rockman78 6y ago
  now not every body has the need or capacity to carry around a Laptop with them anywhere. the benefit of a 6.5"+ display is first rate if you are far from a Laptop. https://crackedwin.com/disk-drill-crack-activation-code-new/ https://crackedwin.com/disk-drill-crack-activation-code-new/
• DeathArrow 6y ago
  I newer owned an iPhone and I'm not interested in iOS much, but $400 for a phone with Apple A13 CPU is very tempting. I don't understand why other ARM CPU makers don't come up with comparable CPUs. Paying 1000 euros on a phone and having a twice as weak CPU as an similar priced iPhone is not a nice sentiment for an Android user.
  • AgloeDreams 6y ago
    > I don't understand why other ARM CPU makers don't come up with comparable CPUs. This is like asking why other rocket companies don't just build rockets this year that are reusable like SpaceX's. Apple's CPUs are so fast because they have the best internal engineering team on earth paired with the best Fab (TSMC 7nm) money can buy. They buy out the entire production run from that Fab. These CPUs are the most advanced and best designed in the world because they worked so hard to get here years ago. It's like asking why other runners don't just run as a fast as Usain Bolt.
• generalpass 6y ago
  Looks like the camera sticks out from the back a little, which is one of the features not present on 5S and previous SE, and I liked it that way.
• rockman78 6y ago
  now not every body has the need or capacity to carry around a laptop with them anywhere. the benefit of a 6.5"+ display is first-rate if you are far from a laptop https://crackedwin.com/disk-drill-crack-activation-code-new/ https://crackedwin.com/disk-drill-crack-activation-code-new/
• luxuryballs 6y ago
  Guess it’s almost time to list my classic style iPhone SE 128GB on eBay...
• qnxub 6y ago
  As current user of a Moto E5 Play, this is the first iPhone that I've been tempted to purchase. It delivers a lot of value at a reasonable price. As penny-pinching consumer, I've started thinking about device longevity. This phone will certainly be supported longer than any Android. However, my current phone still works, even if the camera is bad and it can be quite slow at times. I can't justify purchasing a new device, especially one that was probably constructed with unethical labor.
  • aarpmcgee 6y ago
    Yup. I had to get off the hedonic treadmill of phone upgrades. The dopamine isn't worth it.
• tonymet 6y ago
  pixel is ded
• rockman78 6y ago
  love
• lifeisstillgood 6y ago
  Honestly as a parent of three children barrelling towards teen-dom cheaper iphones available and supported for the next few years sounds great.
• gnicholas 6y ago
  Bummer that this has the slippery rounded edges that started with the 6. My guess is that they're doing this because the iPhone 12 is rumored to return to more rectangular edges, and they want it to be visually distinct.
• trboyden 6y ago
  I got my iPhone SE (iPhone 7) on Amazon for $150 a couple months ago... It sadly replaced my (real) iPhone SE that took a dip in a pool.
• mpweiher 6y ago
  This is the anti-SE. The SE was small and premium. This is big and low-end (well, Apple low-end).
• teknopurge 6y ago
  Masterstroke of timing from Apple. This is what good executive leadership does wrt business: keep pocket aces when things look bleak.
• dipshitlol 6y ago
  This is basically a rebranded iPhone 8.
  • AgloeDreams 6y ago
    With the CPU out of the iPhone 11 Pro. At $400 it is going to be faster (at processing tasks) than the S20 Ultra.
  • redisman 6y ago
    If you look at the specs its literally the iPhone 8 shell.
• JohnTHaller 6y ago
  ~720p class screen
  • AgloeDreams 6y ago
    Give it a little more credit than that, it's a pretty tight LCD that has better effective (observed) DPI than it might appear to have. (As OLED displays take a hit due to the Pentile arrangement) 326PPI in an IPS LCD with HDR isn't nearly as blurry 720P might sell it to be. The iPhone 11 is well reviewed despite similar agreement. Plus chopping the pixel count comes with battery gains. No surpises here.
• logicslave 6y ago
  This is how you know the economy is bad, apple is releasing cheap phones
  • mywittyname 6y ago
    That, and and I bet the price of flagships being so high that people aren't trading in phones as often, which is undermining the used market.
    • totalZero 6y ago
      Not to mention that common upgrade motivators like battery degradation and cracked display glass become less important when you are at home all day and you can plug in to a charger, watch TV, and browse the internet on your laptop or desktop.
  • saagarjha 6y ago
    This phone has been rumored for years.
• rgovostes 6y ago
  Like many here I prefer the (original) iPhone SE due to the small size. Rumors of the iPhone 12 say that there will be a smaller model with a 5.4" edge-to-edge screen. I wanted to see how the size of that device would compare to the SE. If we assume that the iPhone 12 would have the same aspect ratio as the iPhone 11, and that the "margins" between the edge of the device and the edge of the screen will be the same as well, we get: iPhone 12 (5.4") is 2.69x5.30" Body size is 26.67% larger than the iPhone SE Screen size is 62.27% larger than the iPhone SE That is only 1.3% smaller than the iPhone SE 2 released today. This device size is here to stay.
  • graeme 6y ago
    Interesting. So the smallest iPhone 12 will have a screen much larger than the iPhone SE 2?
    • rgovostes 6y ago
      Since the iPhone X design, the screen sizes have been significantly larger due to a (nearly) edge-to-edge screen—the removal of the "chin" dedicated to the Touch ID sensor, and of the "forehead" with the selfie camera and other sensors being reduced to the "notch." The X had a 5.8" screen compared to the 4.7" of the iPhone 8 (and SE 2).
  • Nition 6y ago
    They could fit a 5" screen on the SE form factor if it was edge-to-edge like the iPhone X, or keep the old SE 4" screen, make that edge-to-edge, and make the phone itself even smaller. Shown to scale: https://imgur.com/OKZiWrN https://imgur.com/OKZiWrN I'm a bit disappointed but not surprised they took neither of those options for the new SE.
    • saagarjha 6y ago
      Of course, there’s no way they’re going to call it the iPhone SEX.
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• kart23 6y ago
  type C and a headphone jack would have made this phone god-tier. Good on apple for releasing something affordable though.
• projektfu 6y ago
  I'll wait until I hear reports of thumb-usability before buying, but if it checks out, I'll probably upgrade.
• monadic2 6y ago
  No headphone port? Are they deaf?
• xenonite 6y ago
  How come that the "white" variant is not "white" on the front side? Like it has always been the case until iPhone 8? This is a huge disappointment for me. The big reason to have white screen borders is to reduce contrast to light screen backgrounds, which is so much easier on the eyes when reading. And also, white front side is a design classic. Its removal is even a reason for me not to buy the new SE2.
  • plainOldText 6y ago
    I was wondering the same thing. I’m glad I’m not the only one. Plus, the white front would have made it look much more elegant IMO.
    • xenonite 6y ago
      I am also glad to hear that. Yes, I totally agree that white is much more elegant. Maybe this outcome is an effect of Johnathan Ive's departure?
      • plainOldText 6y ago
        It could be. I don't know who designs the iPhones these days, although Jony Ive is claimed to still count Apple as a client of his new company. I don't know if his heart is. One thing is certain to me, the black front makes the white version incomplete, and noticeably so, as if someone was inching towards "perfection", but then gave up. I'm still sporting the white iPhone 7, btw.
        • xenonite 6y ago
          Yes, I think you depict it well. Stopping just before the mountain peak. Sadly, the black front seems to be the new thing since the iPhone X. Maybe someone will manage to switch out the new SE's black front with a white iPhone 8 front :-) (still enjoying the classic SE in white here, along with several white iPads)
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• ryanSrich 6y ago
  Touch ID alone is enough for me to consider downgrading from my iPhone 11. FaceID is one of the worst features Apple has ever released imo.
• gnicholas 6y ago
  Apparently cases made for the iPhone 8 will fit the new SE. That's great for case manufacturers, and also good for consumers.
• technotarek 6y ago
  I didn’t buy the SE because it was cheaper. I bought it because it had the best balance between performance and form factor.
• l31g 6y ago
  Compared to iPhone 8: + New processor + WiFi 6 + Dual SIM + possibly upgraded RAM
• colinprince 6y ago
  I see this supports Quicktake video[0] when in Photo mode. Kinda useful, but how do you take bursts now? 0. https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph61f49e4bb/ios https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph61f49e4bb/io...
• benbristow 6y ago
  No 5G support seems a bummer (can't see any mention it on the page). DOA for me for that fact alone. Hoping the new iPhones in September have it.
  • coder543 6y ago
    See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22879752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22879752 There are plenty of reasons to dislike the new iPhone SE, but I don't think lack of 5G should be one.
    • benbristow 6y ago
      4G around the UK is pretty grim. I struggle to get any signal in the centre of Glasgow, especially around the Central train station. Even on 3G. Anything that helps is welcome.
      • coder543 6y ago
        I don’t see how 5G would help with that... that sounds like a carrier problem, not an LTE problem. In my personal (and possibly wrong) opinion, even a very popular train station shouldn’t have enough people to oversubscribe the LTE airwaves and cause signal congestion. The Atlanta airport has 3x to 4x as many passengers per year as Glasgow central station, and I’ve never had trouble getting good, solid cellular connection when I’m there... so I don’t think the number of people in close proximity is causing oversubscription of the airwaves. The carrier you use probably hasn’t put up enough towers, or the towers just don’t have enough backhaul bandwidth to do anything useful.
        • benbristow 6y ago
          Definitely is a carrier problem, but due to the decreased range of 5G it would make it more essential for the carriers to install more antennas around the area rather than getting away with having less for 4G/3G.
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• imharvey 6y ago
  Lets use all the spare parts of iPhone 8 and call it iPhone SE gen 2. I get the concept but it would have been nice with a iPhone XR design but in the size of the original iPhone SE. $399 is still reasonable.
• jclardy 6y ago
  A lot of people are looking at this as a "replacement" for the iPhone SE (original) - but I don't think that is what this is. It is the "upgrade" that iPhone 6/6s/7 users have been waiting for. People that don't want the relatively huge iPhone XR/11 (3/4" taller and 1/2" wider) and don't want to spend $1k on the more reasonably sized iPhone 11 Pro.
• l31g 6y ago
  Better camera than the iPhone 8, supposedly same as the XR [0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/15/21222104/iphone-se-2-camera-specs-apple-software-processor-smart-hdr https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/15/21222104/iphone-se-2-came...
• fossuser 6y ago
  I love the iPhone 5 design - I wish they could have put a full screen Face ID display into that frame. Maybe it wasn't possible with the space constraints, or maybe it would have been too expensive - but a premium small phone like that would have been really cool. The iPhone 8 is probably my least favorite of all iPhone designs except for the 3G.
• ryanmjacobs 6y ago
  Awesome! I love my SE. A smartphone that doesn't try to be a full-fledged tablet computer (size-wise and spec-wise). $400 is what I paid for my original SE, so this isn't bad. Gonna miss the 3.5mm plug in though.
• novok 6y ago
  They could of done so much more than slap an A13 into an iPhone 8. I guess it was about that the last time although, throwing a newer processor into an iPhone 5. At the very least they could of done touch ID on the back and make it a hole punch display with a smaller form factor, but that would probably have battery issues from the smaller footprint.
• dakiol 6y ago
  I don't get it. It's over 520 USD in Germany (479 EUR). Is this supposed to be an SE edition?
• maxpert 6y ago
  So OnePlus released an expensive phone and Apple released a good cheaper phone. This COVID-19 surely has flipped the world upside down.
• mavidser 6y ago
  I am apparently in the minority here who prefers faceID, mostly because how transparent it is UX-wise. I don't have to do an additional 'Authenticate' press when opening protected apps, instead I pass through the security while the app loading animation completes. Though, it has been hell now with using face masks for the past few weeks, where I have to spend 5 seconds on every auth-screen, where it tries faceID twice and then gives the option of PIN authentication.
  • moojd 6y ago
    FaceID is better than front or in-screen fingerprint readers but I greatly prefer fingerprint readers on the back of the phone. It's right where your finger naturally rests when taking the phone out of your pocket so the phone is unlocked before it even leaves your pocket. Plus you can pull down the notification bar with it one-handed without having to awkwardly stretch to reach it on large devices.
  • rzimmerman 6y ago
    A lot of people complain that Face ID doesn't work when they wear skiing gear or a mask. I'd argue that most humans can't identify me when I wear a mask, so it's a bit hard to expect my phone to do better. I do prefer Face ID for almost everything except payments. Apple pay with Touch ID was a much better experience. The awkward double tap + stare at my phone for 2 seconds isn't great. Having an Apple Watch makes this much better but I do miss placing my phone near the reader and putting my finger on the sensor.
  • WildGreenLeave 6y ago
    If you tap the screen right away when the face ID icon appears you can enter your PIN right away. I am not sure if this works everywhere, but it does at least work when unlocking your phone. Found this out when I (recently) went to Asia and was wearing facemasks all the time too. :)
  • adequateness 6y ago
    I haven't tested it but people have had success with adding an "alternative appearance" in the FaceID settings and having it scan your face with half of it covered by a mask. Here is an article with pictures describing the process: https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/08/iphone-how-to-use-face-id-with-mask/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/04/08/iphone-how-to-use-face-id-wit...
• Markoff 6y ago
  come on, that's just lazy, what would happen if they would make at least the top bezel smaller and expand the display together with higher resolution? so much wasted space it's nice someone produce 4.7" phone, but it could be either smaller with such outdated low res display or display could be bigger in same body this just seem like they have big stock of old displays and phone bodies they still need to dump
• polote 6y ago
  I don't really understand why this is at HN front page, and also why people are keeping upvoting it, are you afraid some people will miss the news if this is not at the top ? Also the guidelines state : 'If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. '
  • fastball 6y ago
    I feel like HN forgot about that particular guideline a long time ago.
• qblv 6y ago
  Would I buy it? It depends on the manufacturing country!
• phreack 6y ago
  I know it's a pretty much lost cause but I am 100% willing to die on the hill of never buying a phone without a headphone jack, no compromises, so a sad hard pass on this one.
  • ksquarekumar 6y ago
    Same boat as you, switched to android last year, atleast i will always have options in this side of the market.
• sequoia 6y ago
  According to this: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE2ndgen&device2=iphone8&device3=iphone6s https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE2ndgen... This looks like basically the same phone as the 8 & the 6s. I own a 6s, I'm wondering what the advantage is to buying this phone rather than replacing the battery on my current phone. Hilariously, some of the changes between models seem to be mostly renaming features. 6s: HDR for photos 8: Auto HDR for photos SE: Next-generation Smart HDR for photos Looks like this one "goes to 11" Also funny is battery life: SE: Lasts about the same as iPhone 8 8: Lasts about the same as iPhone 7 7: Lasts up to 2 hours longer than iPhone 6s 6s: — So the new SE lasts about the same as two hours longer than "—" Got it!
  • AnonC 6y ago
    > I own a 6s, I'm wondering what the advantage is to buying this phone rather than replacing the battery on my current phone. Your phone model has already gotten OS updates for about five years since launch. It’s possible that iOS 14 may not support iPhone 6S. If that happens to be the case, then getting a new phone makes sense just to have software support for the next five (or more) years.
  • OberstKrueger 6y ago
    The A13 chip will be a huge upgrade and guarantee OS support for quite a while, even if a lot of the other specs are the same. If the 6S manages to survive getting OS updates this year, it probably won't next year. And Apple usually goes for a target battery life that stays fairly consistent across generations. It creeps up slowly over time, but very slowly.
  • harunurhan 6y ago
    Well, camera is going to be a lot better than 6s, so as the chip. I think overall it's a good upgrade from 6s, but probably I wouldn't go for it to replace my 8.
  • nbardy 6y ago
    Next generation smart HDR is a big upgrade. The new chip will be able to run the new image processing algorithms based on deep learning which gives you photo quality bump similar to a better camera
• polygot 6y ago
  Does anyone else get severe graphical corruption on Windows 10 using google chrome while scrolling that page?
• green-bottle 6y ago
  Due to the planned obsolescence (via stoppage of security updates) of Android phones within 2 years I had been seriously been considering buying an iPhone SE2. But I can't really justify myself buying it at the hefty price tag of $555 in India. (The extra $155 being added due to the high custom duties on imports in India.) Salaries (at least for software developers) here being 1/4th of that of US developer salaries or lesser makes even the $400 price in US not quite easy to digest. It seems I will be stuck with buying an Android One phone instead.
  • AnonC 6y ago
    Whenever the COVID-19 travel bans are eased in different countries, you could ask someone to get it for you from the US (if you know someone, which may be an impediment). This phone is also sold in the US in an unlocked variant that can be used with any carrier.
• fataliss 6y ago
  Looks clean. Wonder if that means the array of sensors needed for AR/Face id is still that expensive to make that they can't add it to their $400 phone. You'd think that by now after having multiple gens of flagship phones using it cost would be low...
• starpilot 6y ago
  Wow, currently a single thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22878765 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22878765 occupies the entire first page of these comments, with 367 replies. Is this optimal? Edit: looks like this has fixed/modified, some of the replies have been broken out into top-level threads. Might be time for auto-collapsing of replies like Reddit.
• loeg 6y ago
  Ah shoot, I wish I had known they were bringing touch ID (and the home screen button) back. Not a fan of Face ID.
• howzen 6y ago
  Do any of you feel that the struggle of current times places our obsession with technology into perspective?
• vansteen 6y ago
  That's not really the SE I have in mind. My old SE has a 4" screen and the weight is around 100g ...
• fajarsiddiqfs 6y ago
  I love it! i still have the old iphone 5se I want to buy this one!
• kayoone 6y ago
  I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone) and the sound quality is absolutely fine. Sure, an audiophile DAC with high end headphones will have better sound quality, but do you really need that on a phone?
  • ProAm 6y ago
    Just because you dont see a need for it, does not mean there is not a need for it.
    • kayoone 6y ago
      i am not saying there is no valid need for it, but nowadays it's a niche need and the market seems to have moved on. I was very skeptical of bluetooth for a long time, but the current generation of devices, especially those with Apples W1/H1 chips are just very very good. Instant switching of devices, no re-pairing, good battery life etc.
  • p1necone 6y ago
    Good bluetooth headphones cost hundreds of dollars, good wired headphones can be < $100. And I never have to charge wired headphones - I can always rely on them to just work.
  • 1propionyl 6y ago
    The "audiophiles" insisting on the need for 3.5mm analog output have always been strangely silent on the fact that they are tacitly accepting that whatever DAC is built into the phone is up to their standards. That said, small but very decent DACs have been around for a while. There's one smaller than your pinky nail inside the lightning-to-3.5mm adapter included with newer iPhones. There are plenty of good reasons to want a 3.5mm headphone jack on a phone. But audio quality is not one of them.
• Nition 6y ago
  > The first iPhone SE was a hit with many customers who loved its unique combination of small size, high-end performance and affordable price; the new second-generation iPhone SE builds on that great idea and improves on it in every way. Customers loved how it was both small and powerful, so we've improved it by making it much larger...[1] OK, I realise they mean "small compared to the ridiculous size of other phones" here, but I still feel like they've missed the point. They could have had the only truly small and powerful phone on the market in 2020, on any OS! No competitors. They could have even kept the exact same old SE size and had an even bigger screen (5") if they went edge-to-edge. [1] https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&device2=iphoneSE2ndgen&device3=iphoneX https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...
  • foundry27 6y ago
    They just don’t get it. This isn’t a replacement for the SE, because it doesn’t actually improve on the things SE owners cared about improving. Things like an edge-to-edge screen and a kick-ass camera in the same form factor, not an iPhone 7 reboot with wireless charging and a faster CPU. What’s more, I know I’m not alone in saying I’d be willing to pay MORE for an ultra-premium small device like that than for any of the iPhone models being pushed as “top of the line” right now, because there are no good alternatives. Unfortunate letdown by the individuals at Apple who put this together, reminds me of the ‘97 Malibu.
    • Nition 6y ago
      Totally agree. I'll be keeping my 4" SE for a while yet.
    • ehsankia 6y ago
      Maybe us consumers underestimate how much space those internals take? The larger screen to body ratio would not only take more space in an already tiny phone, but the battery needed to power that would also need to be larger. The old SE had a 1600mAH battery... which is half of the 3000mAh+ even smaller phones have these days, and none of those lasts more than one full day. So we somehow expect them to take the exact same form factor and somehow magically get a 10% larger screen and 50% larger battery in there? My guess is that it's just not physically possible to achieve that. Big chin and forehead is the best we can get with the current battery technology for a phone that size.
• andosteinmetz 6y ago
  Hi Apple. Throw in a 3.5mm stereo jack and you've got my attention.
• osel 6y ago
  This is just an iPhone 8 mk II (it even fits 8 cases!), and that means those of us who want an actual SE replacement are now out of luck. Rather disappointing.
• Aissen 6y ago
  Yesterday in their keynote, Oneplus dared to call the new Oneplus 8 "compact" with its 6.55" screen. Although to be fair it has a much better screen-to-body ratio than the SE.
  • adequateness 6y ago
    It ~12% more compact than the OnePlus 8 Pro.
    • Aissen 6y ago
      That's one way to look at it I guess :-) (note: I personally think content should be the focus of a smartphone, so the screen should be as big as physically possible; 6.7" is my current limit though).
• shoes_for_thee 6y ago
  Why tho? I have an old iPhone SE. It is small enough that I don't even notice it in my pocket. It does everything I want it to do very well and is actually very responsive. Also it is about $60 bucks on ebay. I have no compelling reason to switch.
  • crazygringo 6y ago
    I assume no more iOS updates are coming for the SE. Pretty soon your apps won't upgrade, and won't talk to the app servers, and you can't install new apps. So you don't have a compelling reason to switch now... but in a year or so you unfortunately will. It's what happened to me with my iPhone 5. :(
    • saagarjha 6y ago
      It might get iOS 14.
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• fjni 6y ago
  The 5/5s/SE form factor is beautiful. Why mess with it? Give me upgraded internals on that and I’ll buy it immediately. It feels a bit like they have to justify to themselves that they’re doing work by proverbially and literally smoothing out the edges until all phones just look alike.
• winrid 6y ago
  A light joke - this is the iPhone SE SE.
• amatecha 6y ago
  Huh this is interesting. It looks totally indiscernible from the iPhone 8 I'm using now. I guess it's got a better processor though, at least :)
• coding123 6y ago
  This is the price point that will change the apple Android dynamic forever. Good timing with the gov checks too.
• ramboboujee 6y ago
  hi
• biztos 6y ago
  I use an iPhone SE and an iPhone 8 -- I got the 8 only because the SE's microphone crapped out. I was thinking of buying an 11 Pro, but now I think I'll buy the 2020 SE instead because it's smaller and has the A13. (I was hoping against hope they'd use the old SE form factor, but I can understand why they don't.) I wonder how much the new SE will cannibalize sales of the 11's, for customers who aren't price-sensitive but are size-sensitive?
• MKais 6y ago
  I'm astonished that this gets 1K+ upvotes on HN in this crisis.
• vondur 6y ago
  Well, I was hoping for a large phone with the fingerprint reader back. I don't care for FaceID. This is a great phone.
• tambourine_man 6y ago
  4" size is truly dead then. What a shame. I think we'll look at these comically large phones in the future like we look Gordon Gekko's phone today.
• jm1234567890 6y ago
  Can someone confirm or deny if it has night mode?
• BigBalli 6y ago
  Another current SE user here. I've been waiting for this since rumors started 6+ months ago. I was hoping they were going to keep the same screen size but think I'll upgrade anyways. Figure I will need to eventually and this has a solid tech bump-up.
• microcolonel 6y ago
  Anyone else miss the 3:2 aspect ratio phones? If they made a device that handles like an iPhone 4S but with smaller bezels, chin, and forehead (and maybe slightly thinner, if they must), I figure that'd be a killer. Maybe it's less of an issue now that most of their apps seem to support navigation from the canvas rather than the top left corner of the screen (I don't know since I have only ever used iPhones for testing, and not recently), but it would be nice if an ordinary person could reach every part of the screen with a thumb without adjusting their grip. Also this phone isn't even compact, whether they slap the SE label on it.
• findthewords 6y ago
  The features on offer here for the price sre surprisingly good from Apple. The big phone/small phone argument will be silly in a couple of years when we all have folding phones.
• Brosper 6y ago
  the worst thing for me is the design i mean this phone is soo slippery without case it's unusable
• boourns311 6y ago
  If you're an Android user looking for a small phone, I feel your pain. I've had one of these for about 6 months and I absolutely love it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KP8J8YN https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KP8J8YN Disclaimer: I have NO affiliation with this company at all. I'm just a happy user. Pros: - built-in rugged case. I've thrown it around the office with no issues - incredibly small. It fits in the watch pocket (fifth pocket) of your jeans comfortably - waterproof. Because it fits in my jeans pockets so well, I accidentally washed it with my jeans after a spill. The only piece of clothing in that wash cycle was my jeans, and the phone fell out at some point. It must have banged around in there for 15 minutes; but after the wash was done, I grabbed the phone and unlocked it with my fingerprint. No worries. - some of the best BT and GPS I've experienced in an Android phone. (And I've owned Nokia, Motorola, and Sony Xperia phones). - reasonable battery life for a phone of this size - everyone tells me speakerphone sounds great Cons: - the camera is literally a potato. Don't buy this to take photos with. - good luck typing on this incredibly tiny screen. But instead I use Android's voice-to-text which works great. I took a chance and it is an absolute marvel.
  • barbs 6y ago
    How often do you have to charge it?
• smcleod 6y ago
  ouch A$749 is pretty damn expensive...
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• cmarschner 6y ago
  This could be the perfect phone. If it had a headphone jack.
• incanus77 6y ago
  I'm a longtime Mac & iOS developer (15+ years) and I still have an iPhone SE. The only thing I care about is the size. Won't be upgrading.
• ukj 6y ago
  This is not an SE. This is a 6S. I have a 6S. I want an SE.
• classics2 6y ago
  So disappointing. No headphone jack is a no go.
• trashcan 6y ago
  Anyone know if this will work with Google Fi out of the box?
  • stetrain 6y ago
    I use my iPhone XS on Fi. You don't get carrier switching (T-Mobile only) and visual voicemail is done through the Fi app instead of the native phone app. Also no WiFi calling/SMS. Other than that it works fairly well and costs a lot less than a standard plan at the other carriers.
• epaulson 6y ago
  Is there any word on the screen material? I have a Pixel 3a that for the most part I really like, but one of the ways I think they got the price down was by using a glass that was much less scratch-resistant. My original Pixel never scratched, the 3a is scuff up badly after just 6 months. My iPhone 7 is a couple of years old and also has no scratches, so I'm hoping for a similarly scratch-resistant screen.
• jp0d 6y ago
  I'm still using an iPhone 8. It's been great and I wasn't looking for a replacement yet. However, it's nice to know that I can get one in the same size. I don't want a big phone. I was reading through some of the threads and found some arguments about Android. I'm a poweruser myself. I was on Android for a long time. I've used both mid range and high end Androids. All of them have died after 2 years max after slowing down terribly. Finally switched to the iPhone 8, two years ago and couldn't have been happier. I still have an old iPhone 5s that works like a charm.
• tomger 6y ago
  Death of the small phone
• musicale 6y ago
  Let's not talk about the new iPhone and instead argue the merits of iOS vs. Android vs. Windows Phone. ;-)
• kabacha 6y ago
  I never understood hype behind this phone. On paper it seems like april fools joke. Single camera, absurd screen-to-body ratio and all of the things from 2010 in 2020. None of you bought s10e which is a brilliant phone yet you whine that no small phones are available - maybe you should vote with your wallet or just admit that you're in it for the nostalgia and drop the facade.
  • wavesquid 6y ago
    I bought an S10e on launch. It was too large for me and when it got stolen a couple months after I had it, I just didn't replace it. Have now been phone-less for almost a year, waiting for a good sub-5 inch android phone.
  • raydev 6y ago
    > Single camera Most people only use one camera. The SE is also $399. > absurd screen-to-body ratio Some people really dislike the edge-to-edge screen of the newer iPhone models > all of the things from 2010 in 2020 This is literally one of the fastest phones on the market and it's only $399. Did you live in an alternate reality 2010?
    • kabacha 6y ago
      Samsung s10e is like 300$ these days - has wide-angle camera and almost full body screen for the same phone size and has been released a year ago. > literally one of the fastest phones where are you getting that? What an absurd statement to make.
• eddielement 6y ago
  This phone compares so favorably to the Pixel 4a!
• RileyJames 6y ago
  Have been considering a replacement for my 6S, this looks like the ticket. Is there an adaptor / dongle that can enable charging while using a headset? I’ve seen the lighting to audio dongles. Is there a lightning to lighting+audio?
  • 1123581321 6y ago
    Yes, there are lightning to 3.5mm audio adapters. It will also come with lightning port EarPods you could use.
• nojvek 6y ago
  Ooooo they kept Touch ID. This is deffo my next phone.
• ubertoop 6y ago
  I'll be upgrading my iPhone 5s to this! Yes, I held out THIS long for a small form factor.
• commenterhn 6y ago
  https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE2ndgen&device2=iphone8 https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE2ndgen...
• ksec 6y ago
  1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse which requires JS processing. The Cost of javascript is still huge. [1] [2]. And While Mobile Apps are well optimised to take advantage of multiple cores, it will still be bounded by Amdahl's law[3]. And a point on devices size. Japan, the nation which prefer single handed usage and small size Smartphone, and has a hand size smaller than average, median or general US / EU population, has overwhelmingly voted with their pocket on the 4.7" Devices, and not the previous 4" iPhone SE. Even During the iPhone 7, iPhone 8 era. So I do suggest before people writing off 4.7" as being large, please try and give it a go first. Another Point worth pointing out, once the tech for FaceID Shrinks to small enough or could be done under display, a 4.7" Edge to Edge Face ID Design would be exactly the same size as the previous iPhone SE. I believe this could be the long term goal for Apple. [1] https://medium.com/@addyosmani/the-cost-of-javascript-in-2018-7d8950fbb5d4 https://medium.com/@addyosmani/the-cost-of-javascript-in-201... [2] https://v8.dev/blog/cost-of-javascript-2019 https://v8.dev/blog/cost-of-javascript-2019 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
  • ObsoleteNerd 6y ago
    I very much don't have smaller hands, and still think 4.7" is the best phone size I've ever used. I currently use an 11 Pro for the features, but still think the 4.7" 8 is the best form factor they've ever made.
    • lostlogin 6y ago
      > I very much don't have smaller hands, and still think 4.7" is the best phone size I've ever used. I don’t know what normal size hands are, but I’m quite tall, 195cm ish, and the iPhone 8 is too big for me to use single handed. The iPhone 5s was excellent size wise for me.
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• fouc 6y ago
  iPhone SE is the form factor of iPhone 5s, the last phone in the previous generation before iPhone 6/7/etc. iPhone SE 2 is the form factor of iPhone 8, the last phone in the previous generation before iPhone X/11/etc. iPhone SE2 is only a tiny bit smaller than the iPhone X or iPhone 11 Pro. Less than a half a centimeter in height and width.
• dmtroyer 6y ago
  no one has mentioned that it is $399.
• alliao 6y ago
  COVID-19 edition! can't tell you how many times I'm annoyed by having to tap in passwords like it's goddamn 2012! (coz i'm wearing a mask)
• kdtsh 6y ago
  People will get it or they won’t, the HN crowd is probably a fairly small demographic compared to who Apple is trying to gear this towards: people who want an affordable, new iPhone. For my part (SE user of 2 years, and before that a 5s user), this fits my needs pretty well, and it’s got the latest hardware. The lack of a headphone jack was always going to happen, that’s just the way of the world and nothing will change it - and realistically, carrying around a dongle really isn’t a big deal if you’re going to be carrying around your phone and earphones anyway, it’s just another small piece to keep attached to your earphones on a semi-permanent basis. The 5s form factor would have been cool too, but that was also never going to happen, because the SE is released in no small part because there is a surplus of X device (previously 5s, now 8) and they need to move old stock. I’ll hang onto my SE until iOS 14 comes out, then I’ll get a refurbished SE 2. I might be able to get away with getting an almost-new iPhone released this year for around AU$600, that would be cool.
  • SECProto 6y ago
    > The lack of a headphone jack was always going to happen, that’s just the way of the world and nothing will change it I just got a Galaxy s10e which has both a headphone jack and an SD card slot. I choose to purchase phones that have the things I need in a phone. (If I were committed to the apple ecosystem, I'd get one of these new SEs because of the smaller form factor and lower price.)
    • kdtsh 6y ago
      What I mean is that new phones which have a headphone jack are the exception rather than the norm, and their number seems to be diminishing. Maybe if people voted with their wallets it would stop the development in this direction, but it seems like too few people are concerned with this issue (I’m one of them - it’s just not going to turn me off a potential phone).
• mleonhard 6y ago
  Apple's side-by-side comparison shows that their new phone is essentially an iPhone 8 with a newer CPU. https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphone8&device2=iphoneSE2ndgen&device3=iphoneSE https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphone8&device...
  • adtac 6y ago
    iPhone 8: Lasts about the same as iPhone 7 iPhone SE (2nd gen): Lasts about the same as iPhone 8 Hahaha
• adreamingsoul 6y ago
  I love the size of my iPhone SE. Every time my partner uses my phone, they always mention how nice and compact the size is.
• justlexi93 6y ago
  I am not planning to get it but as usual the early reviews that I found on the internet state that this budget-friendly iPhone is worth it. It still has a single main camera shooter though which is not good things since you can actually get a tri camera set up from their competitors like Samsung and Huawei.
• soapdog 6y ago
  in all this talk about form-factor and sizes, the two most comfortable phones I ever used, in terms of their physical feel in my hand, were the palm pre2 and pre3. They felt like a little river pebble that was warm to the touch. I wish companies would go back to small phones that feel good in your hand.
• srg0 6y ago
  A $300 (EUR500) phone in 2020, and its screen resolution is 750 x 1334 (according to GSMArena, because Apple doesn't mention it). Sadly, that's not enough to watch FullHD videos. An attractive form-factor aside, weird resolution of the lower-tier iPhones (XR, 11, SE 2020) is a non-starter for me.
  • globular-toast 6y ago
    It's a small screen and that's a normal resolution. You need to look at pixel size, not number of pixels. You wouldn't be able to see "full HD" detail on a 4.7" screen.
    • srg0 6y ago
      I use a 5.1" screen, and I can see the difference very well. I also watch a lot of FullHD screencasts, and while the phone screen is too small to do read everything, most of the text is still readable. The trick is to watch the original 1080p video. The problem of the in-between resolutions is blurriness introduced by scaling. 1080p content is very common, text rendered to such images is already rasterized to take advantage of that resolution. iPhone has to downscale 1080 lines and to 750 lines, the scaling factor is 0.6944. There is no way that the text will remain sharp and readable. So the text in most videos will not only be a bit smaller (that's physical screen size, 4.7 vs 5.whatever), but it will be blurrier. Low cost 720p screens have the same problem, but at least the scaling coefficient (2/3) allows for sharper result. The problem is particularly evident with text, but it applies to all minor details
  • MLpractitioner 6y ago
    I just checked in NL, it's far from 500Euros, more 800
• KozmoNau7 6y ago
  Still no proper Firefox with proper browser extensions/add-ons, still no interest in iOS devices.
• ct520 6y ago
  I feel in good company. Here I thought I was the only one who longed-for the smaller iphone.
• otikik 6y ago
  > black, white and (PRODUCT)RED This non-uniform nomenclature is hurting my programmer brain.
• yoelo 6y ago
  I was looking forward to this phone but will not buy as it doesn't not have a 3.5mm jack
• alkonaut 6y ago
  I really wanted a phone with a current top level camera, and a reasonably quick cpu as in a modern iPhone or Android. I consider the iphone7/8 to be almost too big for one handed use, but it's it's worth it as a tradeoff for the improved readability. The problems with the iphone7/8 size is mostly poor legacy UX (Nothing should have to be clicked in basic, navigation above the middle of the screen!). I basically had to upgrade from iPhone7 to iPhone11 to get a good camera in an iPhone. The 11 is a phone that is both much larger and much more expensive than I would like. So if the camera on this is as good as the main iPhone 11 camera, I would definnitely have gone for this one instead, had it been available 6 months ago. This is apple cannibalizing their own iPhone11 sales, a lot I think
• kohtatsu 6y ago
  For anyone on the fence about trusting Apple's sell on privacy, I urge you to check out these pages; https://apple.com/privacy https://apple.com/privacy this isn't the Privacy Policy, just a very high level overview of investments/innovations (ETA 20-60 seconds) https://apple.com/privacy/features https://apple.com/privacy/features deeper dive, no cute graphics, links to papers (3+ minutes) They really, really messed up by not being upfront with Siri's contractors, and they are not taking a hard stance on E2E iCloud Photos/Backups. You can back up yourself using the native encrypted backup format using the CLI on Linux/Windows/macOS using https://libimobiledevive.org https://libimobiledevive.org idevicebackup2 Using ifuse from them too you can read the SQLite database the Photos app uses, see things like the on-device processed metadata (including recognized faces, tho obviously not the face data from FaceID). Using this I made a script to only transfer only favourited photos for my girlfriend; https://gist.github.com/aurorabbit/592bbc76df317f86c1a6ef64cc21244d https://gist.github.com/aurorabbit/592bbc76df317f86c1a6ef64c... (will work on linux too, surely Windows but idk powershell) /info dump
• Niccizero 6y ago
  Being a long-time Android user (not a fan, though) This is the first iPhone I'd actually buy. I'm tired of huge phones with no bezels, they're not usable. They are a pain in the ass, they are a literally a pain in your hand to use. I halso ahte the notch with passsion.
• markphip 6y ago
  I am still holding out hope for a 4.7" phone that is all screen and supports Face ID. Maybe the next iPhone SE in 4 more years will be that phone. I imagine they could not produce that phone at this price point .. which is quite good for what you are getting.
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• lunias 6y ago
  Pretty soon we'll bring our small "phone" with us in our backpacks while our big "phone" stays at home attached to the wall.
• Kye 6y ago
  I'm definitely getting one in (PRODUCT)RED. Jokes about editing goofs aside, this will probably replace my iPhone 6S Plus in a couple of years once it's even cheaper.
• jyriand 6y ago
  I own iPhone SE and let's be honest, this phone is designed for people living in warm climate, not someone living in nordic countries. If it's around zero degrees celius or less, then you better not take your phone out of your pocket. The battery will uncharge and phone will shut off(sometimes in matter of minutes). I thought there was something wrong with my iPhone, but it turns out the battery can't stand the cold. -- edit Otherwise I love iPhone SE. It's almost perfect.
• gigatexal 6y ago
  That’s a whole lot of hardware for 399. Android handset makers are likely going to be upset with Apple moving downmarket with a chip that will run circles around what they have to offer. Honestly I should have gotten one of these instead of my 11 pro. My 11 pro is just too much phone.
• ngcc_hk 6y ago
  The size of the original iPhone has been insisted by Steve Jobs. Based on his insistence on the table high and low for apple store, there is a reason for that size. I still bought a iPod lately for the size and 2nd phone SE for the size (and the weight).