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thrwwyngnr
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thrwwyngnr
8y ago
They tried once, but that was a year ago. You're have a good point. Maybe after one year things will be different.
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One of the guys who left engineering takes care of the old software, plus some other new stuff. He's indeed friendlier than engineering. Might be a good idea indeed to integrate him with his old team, or maybe build a new team around h
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> It sounds like the highest levels of management have written what is being run, and yet not want to seem to maintain it, or directly lead the engineering org. Well, in their defense: they have to, you know... run the company. Engineeri
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> Why would you fire a product manager for being unable to deliver if the team is not delivering? Yeah, that's something I also don't understand. Honestly, I'm a bit inclined to think there is a problem with engineering, s
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> * get rid of Product > You have a product ownership problem and an interaction problem. This is very surprising to hear, but it aligns with other replies here. Your rationale is also sound. I indeed believe that most of our problems
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thrwwyngnr
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Sounds like a great plan to solve the "too fast/slow" problem. It is true that some teams in engineering work with an MVP mindset, while others work in a waterfall/enterprise pace. Maybe it's up to upper-management
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> What do you mean "doesn't adhere to it"? Culture isn't a policy document that you can shove down people's throats and expect compliance. Culture is much more organic than that. Maybe "fit" is a better
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> Hiring enterprise developers if you really want your MVP out the door yesterday is asking for trouble. You're right, this is something I'll talk with HR about. I realize we're not hiring consistently and that might be ca
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> Firing people? Or public shitcanning? Publicly shitcanning. It's illegal here.
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> You need to figure out what kind of company you are, and then hire (and maybe fire) based on that. No engineer is accusing NASA of being too fastidious, or Facebook for moving too fast, because everybody is on the same page from day on
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Actually, most employees have the perception that the company has a strong culture and identity but engineering doesn't really fit in it. It was research made by HR. I could ask employees themselves, or HR.
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Lots of good insights here! Some of them hit home for me: --- > It sounds like the product is "simple" but the reason for the large amount of code might be that there is no clear definition of the minimal viable product. The ad
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Thing is, the salaries are supposedly competitive and engineers don't really complain about it. We had two raises and a round of promotions in less than a year, and people keep leaving.
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Not naive. Except maybe I'm the one being naive here. You do have a point. Without more data it is hard to know if the information in the exit interviews were valid. People might indeed be leaving for better paying pastures but we miss
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We had two changes recently. Managers were fired because the team wasn't performing well at all and failed key deliveries. Oh, we're also in our fourth product manager in three years. The previous three left because they were (of
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I upvoted you because you have a completely valid point, but I don't think this is the case here. The people that were fired had some really bad performance, and the team itself agreed on the metrics beforehand. Also, it took about a y
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> Are your founders / leaders Engineers? Actually, yes. They wrote the software that is currently used in production. But they don't want to touch engineering with a ten-feet pole. One time they complained that engineering was
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8y ago
Sorry, I completely mangled that sentence. I explain it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18798786
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8y ago
Actually we're pretty OK, BUT yeah, you're right: we'd be hiring faster if we offered more.
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Let me preface my message by saying that you're absolutely right. If we're having a problems hiring people, the solution is simply to raise salaries. I completely agree with that, period. That's probably the simplest and most
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Funny, the previous manager actually wanted a gate with a keycode to avoid anyone from ever coming. > Your company should be an engineering team, some of which can't code very well, that also kicks ass in whatever field you're
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> Like the parent here said, more integration with the company. I want to celebrate successes, have input on projects, and know my coworkers. I don't want to be a task hamster running on a wheel of endless tickets. This is an intere
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That's a very good point.
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> That sort of abuse can be self-propagating: it becomes a learned behavior that turns victims into new abusers. That makes a lot of sense. Come to think of it, we started having those problems after a string of very aggressive or very a
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> A lot of the things you're saying (shouting, using personal email for work, rage emails) should only happen once per person maximum. Indeed. Problem is, HR is desperate because everyone is engaging in such behavior. Which makes th
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You're absolutely right. And I forgot to thank you for the insight you gave me with your previous post: > What management thinks is irrelevant to morale. > What the engineers believe management thinks is relevant. Maybe we should
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> 1) It could be a symptom of the underlying issue, which is typically stress-related. "Shit rolls downhill" approach to management, unrealistic deadlines, fear of mass layoffs, etc. Yep, there were some talks among engineers a
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thrwwyngnr
8y ago
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll order it!
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thrwwyngnr
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OP here. Yep, I agree with you. That's good advice.
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thrwwyngnr
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OP here. Yeah, that's not gonna fly here at all.
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