> * get rid of Product > You have a product ownership problem and an interaction problem. This is very surprising to hear, but it aligns with other replies he

> * get rid of Product > You have a product ownership problem and an interaction problem. This is very surprising to hear, but it aligns with other replies here. Your rationale is also sound. I indeed believe that most of our problems around complexity stem from our product team. --- > * ask engineering to move to some rapid iteration cycle process with demos at every sprint or unit of development cycle This is what half of engineering is trying to do. The other half is a bit more cautious, though. Others posters have made a point that we can't have both. --- > * if you can collocate engineers with non-engineers that would be great. Everyone has to be respectful of each other’s environment, though, so if you have a problem with self-awareness this is not great. (E.g. chatty teams aren’t good next to quiet teams, phone calls are not great near engineers, etc.) Sounds like a nice strategy to change everyone else's perception of engineering.