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Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects
- arjie 2mo agoSeems fine to me. It’s just a Bluesky version of GitHub. That was always going to do various odd bans.
- FireInsight 2mo agohttps://tangled.org/ https://tangled.org/ is the "Bluesky version of GitHub" To me that means that there will be less moderation than on Codeberg, the "Mastodon version of GitHub"
- fishgoesblub 2mo agoLet this be a reminder to never trust any service be it one ran by a billion dollar company, to one ran by volunteers. You will be eventually screwed over. Make backup plans, and self-host whatever you can so nothing can be taken from you. For Git forges, I personally recommend Gitea[1], or Forgejo[2] (a Gitea fork by Codeberg) [1]: https://about.gitea.com/ https://about.gitea.com/ [2]: https://forgejo.org/ https://forgejo.org/
- sanskritical 2mo agothere's decentralized git on Nostr: https://nostrapps.github.io/nostrgit/ https://nostrapps.github.io/nostrgit/ Your public key is your sovereign ownership of your project, and with Nostr is no longer bound to any single entity.
- bergie 2mo agoGit over Reticulum is another option. You get git, issue tracking (work documents), release management https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html
- datadrivenangel 2mo agoGIT IS DECENTRALIZED
- dbmikus 2mo agoBut the identity part of git is not (unless you count pgp signing of each commit, which never took off at a large scale) and the git tools don't automatically propagate repo changes by default across a network
- jmalicki 2mo agoBut if you just hashed all the changes and put them in Merkle tree to verify, wouldn't that make it so much better?
- nighteous 2mo ago[dead]
- iamnothere 2mo agoIssue tracking and collaboration tools are not. (Although many small projects could get by with a todo.txt and a mailing list.)
- fooqux 2mo agoYup, but the community you build around a project is not.
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- ivan888 2mo agoIt’s probably not too important to choose a service that you think you can trust fully, because that trust might be broken at some point. But having an identifier that can be swapped to different backends, so people can find you again when the host inevitability changes, is a stronger strategy. I think the importance of owning domain names will increase, and using those as the canonical identifier of a project will give it more permanence. The procedures for seizure and censorship with domain names are better established and understood.
- inigyou 2mo agoLast week the USA censored the domain name of a Dutch porn site.
- z0ltan 2mo ago[dead]
- iamnothere 2mo agoRadicle provides self-hosting with decentralized mirrors for both added availability and DDoS resistance. A Tor-hosted mirror provides extra protection against attacks on DNS or your domain name, and some additional DDoS protection.
- tbrownaw 2mo agoSelf-hosting based on an external project is still a dependency on Someone Else to keep it up to date, unless you have both the time and skill to take over maintenance of that project.
- trollbridge 2mo agoI’m using self hosted GitLab; any reason I should check out something else? (I also mirror projects to public GitLab and to GitHub.)
- Tepix 2mo agoThe ability for others to send you pull requests without requiring an account on your gitlab instance
- trollbridge 2mo agoI’m referring to the self hosted part. The outside world can send pull requests via the public GitLab mirror, or they can actually also access my self hosted GitLab instance via its public address - although I doubt anyone would bother. (Pull requests also can, and should, be sent via ways such as submissions to mailing lists.)
- Tepix 2mo agoIt's a mirror so you'll want to merge the pull requests on your self-hosted instance probably, don't you?
- tapoxi 2mo agoGitLab is a kitchen sink tool for all the good and bad that entails. Forgejo is much more lightweight.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoYeah. Buying my own domain and migrating my email to it is one of the best things I've ever done. Setting up wireguard into my LAN permanently changed the way I used computers. Looks like it's time to get myself a VPS and just start hosting even more stuff. Sovereign personal infrastructure is amazing. Highly recommended. Dealing with the government's rules and their politics is obnoxious enough. I'm starting to really lose patience with all of these communities.
- asah 2mo ago[flagged]
- Heliodex 2mo agoI get "Access denied" when trying to access. Can anyone archive? Edit: https://web.archive.org/web/20260723015826/https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1254 https://web.archive.org/web/20260723015826/https://codeberg.... Unrelatedly, I can recommend Radicle, which hosts a growing network of crypto projects. https://radicle.dev/ https://radicle.dev/
- danpalmer 2mo agoWhy? Banning abuse is fine, and disliking Cryptocurrency projects at a moral level is fine, but running a coffee hosting service and putting your moral judgements on projects like this just seems childish and unserious. I'm also apparently banned from reading the article, despite having no previous usage of Codeberg or any history with the project, so I can't even see their reasoning.
- weakened_malloc 2mo agoThey also want to ban 'AI slop' - I'd love to see how they draw the lines on that one.
- avaer 2mo ago[flagged]
- hackinthebochs 2mo agoI'm also banned from the site for some reason despite never having been there before. Though I suspect my IP is on someone's naughty list for some reason seeing as I get far more captchas on the internet than I feel I should be getting.
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- fishgoesblub 2mo agoMakes me wonder if all non memory safe code will be on the chopping block in the next 5 years. Will they find it morally justifiable to "protect" people from evil unsafe languages?
- heiogalma 2mo ago[flagged]
- selfhoster1312 2mo ago> what would happen if they were to decide to ban Ruby On Rails projects because of DHH's fascist actions Wow hold your horses. It's one thing to ban an individual and their projects. It's another thing entirely to ban an entire programming language because of some loose associations. There's no way this would cross anyone's mind. In particular, the ruby on rails community (or at least some segment of it) is very open, diverse and welcoming. If an hypothetical swastika-lang came up promoting nazi ideology, banning swastika-lang projects would of course be sensible, but that's not the situation you're mentioning at all.
- pamcake 2mo agoWill you eat your hat? It's not that far from many seemingly popular takes I see on fediverse regularly.
- andunie 2mo agoDidn't they do this a while ago already?
- lifthrasiir 2mo agoApparently in early this month.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoThe discussion has been going on for years, but apparently the formal vote and terms of service change took place recently.
- badatnames 2mo ago[flagged]
- inigyou 2mo agoWhen it's your website you can decide what goes on it. Centralised services were so last decade.
- firloop 2mo agoThey are not the first code hosting service to do so. sourcehut banned cryptocurrency in 2022: https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurrency/ https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurre... https://man.sr.ht/terms.md#permissible-use https://man.sr.ht/terms.md#permissible-use Mostly positive HN discussion when this happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33403780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33403780
- DaSHacka 2mo agoThe difference is sourcehut has like 50 users
- mbreese 2mo agoAnd has a very vocal/opinionated owner. You know what you're getting with Sourcehut. (And I don't mean that in a bad way). Rightly or wrongly, Codeberg had a different feel. For a while it felt like it was trying to be a refuge from Github. But then again, maybe that was projecting something on them that they didn't intend.
- iamnothere 2mo agoOnce again, the stability of a BDFL is vindicated. Democracy works ok in extremely complex systems like giant distros—Debian’s governance is slow but functional—but it seems to need guardrails around the process. (From what I can tell, an excruciating process is the best guardrail. Glacially slow decision-making means that mobs burn themselves out before they get to voting.)
- JuniperMesos 2mo agoThe fact that Codeberg has the power to do this is a good reason not to host your code on Codeberg. The fact that they have ideological commitments that make them think banning cryptocurrency projects is a good idea is a separate good reason not to host your code on Codeberg. Fortunately Codeberg is a relatively small player and Git forge hosting is fairly competitive and among the easiest types of online service to self-host, so the effect of this on most Git-forge-users is pretty minimal.
- MallocVoidstar 2mo ago> The fact that Codeberg has the power to do this is a good reason not to host your code on Codeberg. Everything other than full self-hosting has this exact power
- delfinom 2mo agoYes, BUT there's a difference between holding the power and actually using it to enforce ideological positions.
- unethical_ban 2mo agoand there's a difference between a monopolized market player doing it and a hole-in-the-wall free host.
- JuniperMesos 2mo agoYes, and people should think about this much more than they do, when it comes to more popular services that also make ideological decisions about what user content to disallow.
- inigyou 2mo agoFull self-hosting without Tor has it too, as your ISP can ban you, as Kiwifarms found out. (KF got banned from Cloudflare, then had a lot of trouble finding an ISP, eventually made their own, and then had trouble finding upstreams. You might wonder what they did that was so bad but not illegal - that's a long story.)
- letmevoteplease 2mo agoLooks like another project that's gonna purity spiral into People's Front of Judea vs. the Judean People's Front weirdos sniping at each other.
- minimaxir 2mo agoRelatedly, Codeberg has also banned vibe-coded projects. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003465 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003465
- newsomix9xl 2mo agoWell there go my repos.
- wewewedxfgdf 2mo agoVision of the future for this platform, because all overreach makes companies more hungry for more overreach.
- spacechild1 2mo agoCodeberg is not a company.
- tapoxi 2mo agoI don't like crypto but this is poor reasoning, hastily implemented, and given very little time for discussion. There does not seem to be any concrete plan for notifying impacted projects or giving them a roadmap to migrate. This is unprofessional and severely harms their credibility. It's not what was done but how they did it, and I don't doubt that subsequent policy changes can and will be implemented in the same manner unless it's addressed.
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- Mistletoe 2mo agoYou don’t think Satoshi Nakamoto had credibility or professionalism? It’s not fair to lump the bad seeds in with the good. Imagine if I said the US Dollar was a scam because drug cartels or AI companies use it.
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- tired-turtle 2mo agoThat comparison to USD strikes me as disingenuous. Currency is a measure of social trust; it allows social contributions to be measured in a fungible unit. Cryptocurrencies erase this concept of social trust under the purported claim that anonymous transfer of “money” is good for society, forgetting why humans created currency in the first place. Anonymity abets money laundering, illicit drug trade, human trafficking/slavery, and CSAM, along with a raft of other antisocial behaviors. Yes, you can do all of the above with USD, but you’ll have to put a lot more effort into doing so. Hence, it is fair to lump the bad in with the good for crypto (IMO) because it’s unclear how the benefits of crypto outweigh the antisocial behavior it enables. What has society gained in return?
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- add-sub-mul-div 2mo agoIt's a shame that such a film of commercial and criminal slime surrounds big new technologies like crypto/AI that could otherwise be used for net good. But this is where we're at.
- inigyou 2mo agoIt's the whole world. It's the current zeitgeist. Everything is for money extraction and everyone is a resource whose money is to be extracted. Anyone who tries to resist will quickly be moneyless, then homeless, then foodless, then dead. Resistance is futile.
- tbrownaw 2mo agoCommercial and criminal activity are not actually the same. Also commercial activity tends to happen when everyone involved in the activity comes out ahead, so placing it as opposed to "net good" is perhaps a bit dubious.
- ninjahawk1 2mo agoThis is a battle that likely shouldn’t be handled as a war on crypto, simply change the wording of your TOS. Absolutely nuclear.
- cyberax 2mo ago[flagged]
- inigyou 2mo agoYou can buy drugs with it
- cyberax 2mo agoExactly my point.
- Cider9986 2mo agoMonero protects privacy online, a human right.
- cyberax 2mo agoVery important when you pay for ransomware.
- Cider9986 2mo agoThe vast majority of crime happens in fiat, not crypto. Monero protects human rights while fiat allows them to be taken away. For example, Canadian govt used banks to control peaceful protesters to deny them freedom of expression. If they used Monero they wouldn't have had their rights violated.
- cyberax 2mo agoThe percentage of classical fiat used for crime is negligible, when compared with the percentage of blockhain fiat used for crimes. Moreover, classical fiat makes steps to make crime like ransomware or kidnapping impractical. While crypto fiat works on making them easy
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- Lerc 2mo agoI'm not sure how this interacts with open source principles. I think they are free to do whatever they want with their own website and indeed with open source tooling, but as a host for open source it could conceivably conflict with those principles. A much debated aspect of open source is that it may be used for any purpose. The JSON licence sparked much of this debate. More recently there has been suggestions for an ethical source movement, which advocate that source may only be used for ethical uses. I presume they must mean Good old christian, pro family, anti-terrorism, traditional values etc. the usual ten commandments stuff. Or perhaps they had something else in mind, it's unclear, but what ever it is that's the stuff that's allowed and the other stuff isn't.
- jadar 2mo agoI mean that's how I personally would define ethical. But anytime someone makes a claim like that, you have to ask "by what standard." And it's usually just "me."
- trentor 2mo agoAs with the AI ban this was a community decision done by a majority vote. It seems that most people commenting or writing articles in the last few days don't have a Codeberg account or never visit the forum.
- Lerc 2mo agoI think their own community can make their own rules. My only thought in doing so the description of what they represent would then be subject to those rules. They state "The mission of Codeberg e.V. is to build and maintain a free collaboration platform for creating, archiving, and preserving code and to document its development process." It seems like they might now need to elaborate that they mean "free as in beer".
- comeonbro 2mo ago"the community" being some tiny subset of busybodies out of an OOMs-larger body of users that don't want to be bothered? Real question, I don't know anything about Codeberg or its community.
- sergiotapia 2mo agoThis sounds like a very dumb decision to you and I and most, but see you don't use codeberg. I don't use codeberg. So it's totally fine to poke fun, and totally fine for them to do whatever they want. We aren't part of that community!
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- trentor 2mo agoCodeberg is a community steered project. If participating isn't something you're interested in, it's probably not the right fit for you. There are other Forgejo hosts (you could even be one yourself) where you can be the king of your own castle.
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- lifthrasiir 2mo agoThis follows what SourceHut did in 2022 [1], but I think SourceHut did much better job to announce that (as of this writing). [1] https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurrency/ https://sourcehut.org/blog/2022-10-31-tos-update-cryptocurre...
- iamnothere 2mo agoYes, Drew did a much better job managing this, and his reasoning was more excusable (people were using the build system to mine crypto and eating up resources). I still don’t like it, but I get it, and at least it was handled professionally.
- yieldcrv 2mo agoWho? > “ Codeberg is a non-profit, community-led effort that provides Git hosting and other services for free and open source projects.” Github still works, and the crypto ecosystem also has arweave and many others for static assets
- ares623 2mo agoThis is an interesting development. I think for the forseeable future, more and more people (who run and/or own products or platforms like Codeberg) will continue to be more selective on what they accept on their platforms. The software we write has been increasingly shown that they are not some unassailable paragon of neutrality and mere harmless artifacts. These things are written by people with intent. Naturally the other set of people who run these platforms would have objections on hosting them. "Invevitability" gets thrown around these days. I guess this is the other kind of inevitability that comes from the environment we've created.
- qiqitori 2mo agoCan we also ban Java projects? Don't really like that language.
- a34729t 2mo agofrom your lips to gods ear!
- fzeroracer 2mo agoSeems fine to me. It was decided by a community vote; it's their site and their rules. The people complaining about those damn ideologicsts or whatever seem to be missing the point in that they are equally as ideological just in a different direction. We're just returning back to the foundations of the internet where people setup their own community area and tell you what they will and will not tolerate.
- pibaker 2mo agoI'm not personally a fan of this move or the vibe coding rule. That being said, I genuinely wonder how many people complaining about the rule are personally affected. Seems weird to me to complain about a service setting its own rules when you don't engage with it or contribute to it.
- bel8 2mo agoThey don't have to be affected to be worried. It's how it was done and possibilities of further bans that is worrisome. I have small open source projects that I won't move to Codeberg ever now because I don't want to waste any mental energy pondering if I might get banned in the future. For example I have a stock trading backtracking strategy test tool. Will they ban anything related to fintech in the future because it is deemed evil? I don't want to have to think about that. Will they ban my crappy game macroing tool to automate some simple repetitive game actions because it is considered cheating or against some game ToS? I don't care and I don't want to have to care about a possible ban. It's a glorified auto clicker to prevent RSI health issues ffs.
- squigz 2mo agoWhat exactly about "how it was done" is alarming to you?
- hparadiz 2mo agoI might have used it in the future. Now I never will.
- tkel 2mo agoGreat, nothing of value was lost. I get that you aren't used to people bending over backwards trying to try to cater to you in order to sell you something and get your money. And the kind of social power dyamics that creates. But in this scenario, a group of people deciding democratically what to do with their platform, your hypothetical future potential (mis)use of their resource is really quite meaningless.
- inigyou 2mo agoCodeberg is not a public dumping ground. It is a service offered by a non-profit with specific goals and missions.
- avaer 2mo agoThat's fair. They should probably put their political doctrines and ideologies on the home page so people can know if their projects fall into the category of undesirables before they make an account, since the list seems to be expanding. Otherwise it's hard to tell what will be banned next.
- inigyou 2mo agoDoes Google or Microsoft do that?
- avaer 2mo agoGoogle/Microsoft offer services in exchange for money. They are not tax exempt charities purporting to do beneficial work for society to earn that status. And they don't block your usage based on your perceived ideology.
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- DaSHacka 2mo agoWho's to say we were never going to use Codeberg? I actually had quite a favorable impression of it before now, as I know many projects that had to flee to it thanks to GitHub's terrible DMCA system and Microsoft randomly locking their accounts.
- q8zd3 2mo agoOh well, that is disappointing. I was enjoying it for my own side projects. I wonder what's next on their list...
- inigyou 2mo agoThey don't want side projects. They aren't a git dump. They want actual projects.
- ChrisArchitect 2mo agoRelated: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386
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- cute_boi 2mo agoThe only good thing about crypto is we can send money easily to stupid countries without any hassle and crazy forex exchange. Other than that, i don't see any value in crypto.
- DaSHacka 2mo ago"The only good thing about crypto is using it for <entire reason crypto exists>" Well, sounds like it is a successful technology.
- hparadiz 2mo agoThat got a hearty laugh out of me.
- Cider9986 2mo agoMonero is digital cash and protects privacy, a human right.
- shikck200 2mo agoI hear this over and over. What kind of privacy are we taking about here? You mean X gives Y 100 bucks in cash privacy? Or purchasing a house where there is no paper trail, no knowledge of who is the previous/current owner and no insurance at all kind of privacy? Would you be happy to send your kids to a school that no one knows whos the owner, who operates it and if there is any kind of hazards and/or insurance/maintenance? Lets not even talk about how and what the teachers get paid, as its all fully private.
- fwn 2mo agoIt is perfectly fine (and in fact standard) to identify people without any payment processor involved. Someone arguing for the ability to pay someone without surveillance does not argue for a world where nobody knows each other anymore. That would be awful, of course.
- dbmikus 2mo agoWell, definitely makes me inclined to never use Codeberg for source hosting if they can just get together and decide to ban an entire category of source repo. It makes Codeberg seem like an unserious project.
- overfeed 2mo agoWere you paying for the service?
- overfeed 2mo agoDownvoters: if someone indignantly announces they are leaving a service in a manner that suggests its a loss for the service, finding out if they are a paying customer - and in this case, one that can vote on the subject at hand - adds to the discussion.
- inigyou 2mo agoAlso you only have a vote if you pay.
- pamcake 2mo agoYou misunderstand what Codeberg is. Codeberg has 0 paying customers. It is a non-profit providing services for free and not a business. Membership in the non-profit requires fee paid by EU bank transfer and gives voting rights on questions like this but is separate accounting from use of the free sevices. All this is explained front-and center or codeberg.org.
- LtWorf 2mo agoI'm sure they didn't even have a repository there to begin with.
- FateOfNations 2mo agoIt's less about paying for a service than thinking that you are a welcome member of a community and then suddenly finding out that you aren't.
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- jjmarr 2mo agoIn the prior words[1] of Gusted, one of the board members that announced the ban: > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecomment-7905679 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecom...
- zarzavat 2mo agoPretending to run an inclusive git hosting service for FOSS and then attacking your own users because their code is the wrong type of algorithm isn't politics, it's just being an asshole.
- birksherty 2mo agoNope. It's not "attacking own user base". These comments are ridiculous now. It's safeguarding a open project by removing scammers and abusers that exploit it. Scammer should host their own or use github.
- zarzavat 2mo agoBanning projects that haven't done anything wrong except implement algorithms that the Karen committee disagrees with is clearly an attack. If they want to ban scammers then why don't they just ban scammers instead of a blanket policy that bans legitimate projects as well?
- TaLiTr 2mo agoImplying that anyone who makes crypto or AI projects is somehow a scammer/abuser?
- fzeroracer 2mo agoTheir own users voted for this.
- tbrownaw 2mo ago> Pretending Are they though? I see "We are more than just Git hosting: Our community is ..." right in the highlight box on their landing page.
- newsomix9xl 2mo agoCodeberg is a fork of gitea iirc. All the crypto Bros are free to fork and finance a crypto friendly codeberg. Cryptoberg or whatever.
- innocent_name 2mo agoSocial signaling, surprise surprise!
- cmrdporcupine 2mo agoThis is far less controversial than their anti-AI stance which passed today. I have zero sympathies around crypto projects, generally. "Blockchain" feels to me like a venus fly trap that swallows distributed systems engineers and turns them into pseudo-libertarian apologists for money-laundering. But I pulled my project off Codeberg today because of the anti-AI positioning. Not so much because of any specifics in their very vague wording, which they've left completely open to subjective interpretation. But because of the crazy toxic discourse on Mastodon and other places around it. People making analogies between people's LLM use and non-consensual sex, and accusing people seeking clarity on what "mostly AI" means of being like "creepy guys" etc. Just beyond the bounds of reasonable discourse and also being offensively trivializing of actual rape culture concerns without even realizing it. I really thought I liked the codeberg community when I joined it. I'm a copyleft guy. My project is AGPL. I've been tilted pretty far over to the left my whole adult life. I liked not being on American infrastructure. It turns out I don't like these people though. Bye. I'd rather wade in slop than sanctimonious moralism.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoI'm strongly anti-AI, but i upvoted your comment because it's the most reasonable one (in opposition to the AI ban) i've read so far. I haven't read those mastodon threads, but that sounds like a weird discourse. Are they from codeberg eV members or random passers-by (like me)? Would you mind sharing some links to some of those resources?
- cmrdporcupine 2mo agoJust a sample, I'm still drinking my coffee. https://scholar.social/@silvermoon82@wandering.shop/11696402 https://scholar.social/@silvermoon82@wandering.shop/11696402... "I'm sorry you caught abuse off the slop fondlers. Consent and boundary issues are inbuilt in their community." Or here, when someone tried to ask for similar clarification: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912 https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116880003584050912 "You're coming off similar to someone trying to probe the limits of consent instead of trying to honor the request in good faith. It's a bad look." "Opening your conversation with a group by saying "well I'll get to violate your group's values a _little_, right?" does not project the mentality of someone who wants to collaborate in good faith." Or making analogies to Claude Code users being NAZIs? "@piggo @tante I see such a rule as being similar to the "no Nazis" rule. It works by Nazi sympathizers self-identifying by arguing about the rule." Both those threads have other examples, and there are plenty more other threads like them. It has the smell of a smug in group that allows no dissent. I am also 80% certain there were comments on the PR (https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/1253) along similar lines that were removed but I have no backups or screenshots to backup that accusation.
- rvz 2mo agoIf you are going to ban all cryptocurrency projects, you might as well ban all AI slop projects at this point.
- gnabgib 2mo agoErr Codeberg bans vibe coded projects (150 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386
- rvz 2mo agoThat makes the decision to not use Codeberg even easier for many. If you are after a sustainable and stable code repository to host your projects then Codeberg disqualified themselves. It goes down regularly as much as GitHub and loses to GitHub on discovery. Now, you can potentially lose your entire account and projects by posting a repo that can have AI with auto-complete. If Linus Torvalds (pro-AI) published his scuba-diving software [0] there, which there is a CLAUDE.md file in the repository, it would get banned. [0] https://github.com/subsurface/subsurface https://github.com/subsurface/subsurface
- notabotiswear 2mo agoIt also makes choosing it easier for others. “Hosting on Codeberg is a good indicator my code is handcrafted”, or somesuch. I don’t want nor am I interested in arguing whether “handcrafted” is good or bad, just positing that some people would prefer it. May not be great for [i]growth[/i], but it’s not like Codeberg is a service by a megacorp aiming to corner the market (one of the reasons why everything is regressing to mediocre slop these days, but I digress). That Torvalds plays for the other team is irrelevant. But if we’re mentioning him, one should recall that it was ol’ swears-a-lot himself who said “fork it or just walk away” on a similar topic.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoBad example, you obviously didn't read the codeberg ToS. Codeberg banned projects that « mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools ». subsurface is apparently quality software with different contributors, and in the recent commit history i only saw a handful of commits assisted by LLMs. subsurface is not slop and is therefore not targeted by the codeberg ToS update.
- zx8080 2mo ago> The text is now as-is because it was send out for votes. Small clarifications can be made afterwards by Presidium or Board. Wording from a Big Politics. Is there a Codeberg Parlament? Just curious.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoYes it's called the general assembly of codeberg eV (the non-profit). Members can vote, they have the power.
- jdw64 2mo agoPeople always say they hate centralized markets, but whenever a market starts regulating to create its own distinct character, they push back. Honestly, I think this measure actually gives Codeberg a competitive edge in terms of code quality. I think we're now seeing a pattern where, under a 'free' large market, regulations are being used to create unique market identities. That's my take—it depends on what you regulate, which determines the market's character. Personally, I've noticed that when Codeberg announced regulations around AI code, most of the comments cheered. But when the same people talk about cryptocurrency regulations, they get angry. It seems like people just want to regulate what they don't like, not what they do. I won't use Codeberg myself, but I think this policy is reasonable. I've decided that what you regulate defines your market's identity.
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- jdormit 2mo agoWow. I have never worked on any cryptocurrency projects and never intend to, but I will certainly be staying very far away from Codeberg because of this. There are some levels of censorship that make sense for a code forge - “you can’t do crimes on our servers”, “you can’t host malware on our servers”, etc. But inflicting a subjective moral judgement on an entire category of software sends the message that this isn’t a safe place to host any of your repositories. If the moral landscape shifts in the future, how can you be sure your project won’t be next on the chopping block? What a terrible precedent to set.
- raincole 2mo agoMy rule of thumb: just use the most mainstream options unless I have a very, very strong reason to do otherwise. The mainstream options will screw you, but the niche options will screw you in totally unexpected ways.
- birksherty 2mo agoAre these comments written buy bots? It's the mainstream ones that have been screwing people without any recovery options, there were many horrifying top posts in hn itself in last few years.
- duxup 2mo ago“Nobody ever got fired buying IBM.”
- tbrownaw 2mo agoA nice thing about Git is that you can trivially push to a new upstream any time you need.
- tehbeard 2mo agoYes yes yes, we know. Git is decentralised, you can just trivially push* anywhere! * - the code. Just the code. only the code. Nothing but the code. You don't need the issues, the roadmap, the ACL of which human can do what, the API access keys for third parties, the artifact repos. Just. The. Code. Somewhat arsey in my tone? Yeah. But having done two large scale (100+ repos) forge migrations of our company's client projects (SVN -> github, then later on github -> bitbucket) and seeing people completely ignore the metadata surrounding the code that isn't as easy to "just push" anywhere, somewhat justified.
- glerk 2mo agoCodeberg can ban whatever they want on their platform. The thing is nobody cares about codeberg, and this is probably just a publicity stunt.
- krapp 2mo agoClearly some people do care about Codeberg given how much palpitating outrage there is in this very thread.
- natas 2mo agoThis is a slippery slope, and I will stay away from Codeberg, because who knows what they'll ban next.
- tkel 2mo agoAnd that's a slippery slope fallacy.
- FabCH 2mo agoThey banned all LLM assisted projects. It’s not a fallacy if it actually happened.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoDid you even read the blog post or the ToS changes? You're either misinformed or lying. Banning projects that « mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools » is not the same as banning « all LLM assisted projects ».
- FabCH 2mo agoWell we don’t know, do we? Because the ToS helpfully doesn’t explain. Does LLM autocomplete break the ToS? What about pre-LLM autocomplete? What about code written by LLM but reviewed by humans? Also, the spirit of the community is clear, given the preamble and the provided moral basis for the decision: they don’t want any LLM usage at all.
- joegibbs 2mo agoI don’t think the slippery slope is a fallacy. If a group makes a change in one direction is it not more likely that they will continue making changes in that direction than if they had not made the initial change?
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- mostlyRice 2mo agoSeems like it's not for me, gotta move elsewhere.
- protocolture 2mo agoProbably would have been better to do this before the moral outrage had moved on to AI. Now it just seems pointless.
- adithyassekhar 2mo agoEvery open source project ends up politically opinionated because the people behind it is married to the idea of that project than what it delivers. Commercial ones only care about what the project brings in, often money, but that often comes because of whatever value it provides the customer.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoWelp. Looks like I'm never going back there.
- conartist6 2mo agoI mean, that's your right, but also they'll get new users too. So much of the internet is drowning in slop that any place that's still brimming with original content will likely see its stock go up, and will tend to attract people who still do original work, creating a virtuous cycle
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoHow do you define "slop" ?
- conartist6 2mo agoYeah I don't know. It's impossible to draw a clear line, but the overall effect is not hard to identify. If your work supports a community and creates value, you can reasonably expect the community's support. If your work leeches from a community, you can reasonably expect the community to turn on you. To me slop is identifiable by its effect: it is the type of work which leeches value
- iamnothere 2mo agoTo me, this all sounds like the kind of fuzzy reasoning and nondescript language that turns communities into popularity contests and backstabbing competitions. If Codeberg wants to put a flag up to draw in every programmer with a personality disorder, well that may be their right, but it’s not a good idea.
- stackghost 2mo ago>To me, this all sounds like the kind of fuzzy reasoning and nondescript language that turns communities into popularity contests and backstabbing competitions. Welcome to society. There is no such thing as a meritocracy.
- andrewflnr 2mo agoI allowed myself to believe that the public conversation had moved past the "free speech means that no one is allowed to control what others post on platforms they run". The obvious cases of it routinely get replies with the obvious counterarguments, so I thought maybe everyone had gotten the idea. Apparently not. You can disagree with the decision here. That's a reasonable debate. Pretending it's about "pluralism" or "tyranny" is pathetic. Think about it for half a second: do you think every platform that accepts user content is required to accept all not-explicitly-illegal content? No? Then the only question is where to set the line. Codeberg is making their own choices. If you don't like those choices, I don't even have to tell you to start your own platform, because there's already tons of competition.
- nilshauk 2mo agoCodeberg's paying members can off course vote on policies of their own non-profit. More power to them. You have the freedom to not use their service. There are ample alternatives.
- conartist6 2mo agoI'm... unsure how to feel. On one hand I have the utmost sympathy for the idea of pushing people away from disposable software and towards collaboration. On the other hand this will definitely devolve into name calling and vigilantism. On the third hand, Github is already drowning in slop. It takes up huuuuge amounts of resources and delivers a tiiiiny amount of value to the platform per line of slop code
- matheusmoreira 2mo ago> On the other hand this will definitely devolve into name calling and vigilantism. No doubt. Just look at Lobsters. A quality filter would have been more effective.
- conartist6 2mo agoYou have to understand that this isn't about everyone being altruistic towards everyone else. When the industry declared that AI would replace humans, even perhaps make every single person worthless, they guaranteed beyond all doubt that the vitriol would reach at least these levels. There's no point in extending kindness to people whose stated goal is your extinction. At that point what's left is war.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoThen war it is. Like I told the fine people of Lobsters, they're going to take out a lot of innocent people as collateral damage during their crusade. I've already soft quit that site, and there goes Codeberg as well. What can you do?
- conartist6 2mo agoI don't disagree, but it is not within my power to do anything to change that. There exists no person who could call off the backlash to the AI movement
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- aliasxneo 2mo agohttps://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-hatred.html https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and-ha... It's not like they've been hiding their activism.
- tkel 2mo agoYour point is, they should do nothing about targeted hateful spam campaigns against their users? If someone starts flinging shit at your window, and you protested, I'd tell you to sit down and "quit the activism".
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoNo, the parent was precisely saying it's perfectly fine to take position, and it's nothing new for codeberg. In particular, the linked article was not just about countering spam, but also against « far-right ideologies ». So it's nothing new or surprising that codeberg is political.
- Communitivity 2mo agoTime to move off of Codeberg. They provide a service, that's it. I don't want drama from my service providers, and censorship incurs drama. I think some censorship is needed (hate speech, CP), but I do not want projects deleted because someone running the service doesn't like how I make them, or what they are for. They have the right to do that, but I also have the right to vote with my feet and go elsewhere, and I'm doing that. LLMs assisting coding has it's place, crypto has its place, both have been overhyped and so we're now getting a rubberband effect as people express hatred of these things based on the hype - not on their legitimate purposes.
- omnimus 2mo agoWere you paying for Codeberg?
- FateOfNations 2mo ago> They provide a service Codeberg seems to disagree about that point.
- iepathos 2mo agoProhibiting fraud or infrastructure abuse is one thing, but declaring entire categories of lawful software harmful to Codeberg’s reputation is another. They've ironically tanked Codeberg's reputation far more from these policy changes than any projects in that category could have possibly. After these changes, it is difficult for any business, or any project seeking stable infrastructure, to trust that its codebase won’t become unacceptable after the next member vote.
- LtWorf 2mo agoProbably for the kind of users codeberg wants to have, this boosts their reputation.
- iepathos 2mo agoPerhaps, but it's important to keep in mind not even a majority of Codeberg users voted for this. A majority of their privileged voters did, which is a small minority of the actual users, and it wasn't unanimous amongst the voters. Over 30% of their voters did not agree with this choice. I'm not building crypto or vibecoded projects and this still makes me seriously question if I could trust Codeberg's current majority voters to not simply target other minority software categories without real justification just because they didn't personally approve of it.
- Marha01 2mo agoMy code repository should host my code, not go on dubious moral crusades. Glad I stayed on Github. Their ban on nebulously defined vibecoded projects is even more ridiculous.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoIt's not ridiculous. If it was for me, i would ban anyone who use LLMs at all, so banning projects that « mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools » sounds very light to me, a reasonable middle-ground to rally everyone around. Are you sure you don't feel insulted and threatened because you're yourself a sloperator, so it feels personal to have others criticize your practices from a moral standpoint? (i don't know, i haven't researched your profile)
- Marha01 2mo agoWell, you are definitely an extremist with that take.
- skippyfish 2mo agoIf you work for a tech company, I can practically guarantee that it bans a lot of lawful behaviors on its platforms. Paypal bans or restricts online dating, cigarettes, and firearm accessories. Youtube demonetizes swearing. Facebook prohibits the sale of bodily fluids (I don't want to know what triggered that policy) and "used cosmetics". If you're not interested in stuff like that when your company is doing it, but are up in arms about some other platform deciding that they don't like crypto, I think you should look in the mirror. Their reasoning is probably the same: they don't like it and don't want to put up with the task of sensibly policing the category.
- Panzerschrek 2mo agoIt's a good decision to ban cryptocurrency projects. Such a project may be mostly fine, but considering overall cryptocurrency shady reputation it's better to keep it away. The same is for LLM-slop projects. They have little to no value for the society and may be dangerous.
- biznickman 2mo agoI didn't know of codeberg before and this is likely the last time I'll see it. This seems more like a marketing stunt than anything else. They previously "banned vibecoded projects".
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoThis is not a marketing stunt. This is not a company and there is no PR department. This is a non-profit making a decision in its general assembly.
- vlugorilla 2mo agoThat's it. I'm leaving Codeberg. Feels like if European Union was turned into a code forge.
- FireInsight 2mo agoI'd argue that it's more democratic than the EU, and has a target audience of members who actually want the service to continue going in this direction. You most likely wont be missed. Thankfully there are a million other places to host your code.
- jaredcwhite 2mo agoFantastic! Codeberg just keeps getting better and better, properly moderating a healthy community which does not welcome the technolibertarian dystopia we've all been suffering through for far too many years now. I'm not surprised many here are upset. Many here don't seem to understand the outrageous harms that a totally out-of-control tech industry has been foisting upon the planet. It's time to take a stand for a better path forward.
- tancop 2mo agoactual open source crypto projects are the opposite of a techno dystopia. ethereum wants to build a global root of trust (like iana but decentralized), railgun and monero are doing anonymous payments, and all of them let you avoid taxes. which is good if you live in a country where your taxes go to foreign genocide and the war on drugs. all the harms come from for-profit companies that use crypto as a cover, like polymarket or stake. the contracts are on chain and might be open licensed but one company controls everything in practice with admin rights. and they make it hard to access directly without going through the proprietary frontend hosted on their servers. the only ones who would ever want to host their code on codeberg are real community projects, because the corpos are all happy with github.
- wolvesechoes 2mo agoGood, based. We need some pesticide.
- kamikazechaser 2mo agoI was one of the commenters that was staunchly against this proposal on the original issue that was brought up 3 years ago. Imo their entire argument has always been straw man. Anyone who has spent enough time around the core Codeberg community knows how ideologically motivated their decisions are regardless of what they put out in their PR statements. This incident coupled with the Forgejo one (In which they twisted the whole story and made Gitea look like the biggest villain in FOSS when in fact they orchestrated the whole drama by submitting a controversial PR that many people don't know about) made me quit and keep away from their hosting.
- Borgz 2mo agoCan you provide any links regarding the Forgejo incident? I haven't heard about that.
- kamikazechaser 2mo agoThis is the PR that started it all: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/27455 https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/27455
- globular-toast 2mo agoBitcoin was supposed to give us a way to have digital cash without bankers controlling the system for their benefit. How did we fuck this up so badly?
- inigyou 2mo agoBecause we didn't understand that bankers are emergent behavior
- akimbostrawman 2mo agofundamental issues like no fungibility or privacy. if you want a crypto currency that btc was supposed to be and people think it is, use xmr monero.
- _nhh 2mo agoThis is crazy. 1. Humans are turning energy in code too. 2. Business cannot afford "ultra-high-end-code" or dont want to. LLM's are the escape hatch for developers in those areas to increase throughput and quality (writing tests). Everything before llm's were already a burning piece of sh*t and now we actually can do smth about it.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoYour comment makes two wrong assumptions: 1. that LLMs actually improve project quality, which may be true for projects with very clear style guides and test suites (eg. the linux kernel) but may also be false for 99% of projects (are the LLM tests testing good behavior or just random stuff?) 2. that codeberg's orientation is to host code for private businesses (it's a non-profit in which businesses may take part, but that's definitely not the target audience)
- abc42 2mo agoI believe that they (like every other non-governmental service) have the privilege to ban everything and everyone from their service for literally any reason they choose. But this (and especially the AI ban) is a big red flag and I'm steering clear from Codeberg.
- PeterStuer 2mo agoEven though I do not host on Codeberg, but I do run my own Forgejo, and have no particular interest in Cryptocurrency projects, I consider this a serious red flag as to me it indicates an activist tendency, for lack of a better word, that I do not want from an IT infrastructure provider.
- selfhoster1312 2mo agoAll IT infrastructure providers are activists. The question is what is their politics? Github pushes for centralization, AI slop, and gathering code for the military-industrial complex. Twitter pushes for techno-fascism under our great and only leader Elon Musk. FSF pushes for liberal left-wing copyleft. If you don't see the politics behind economic actors, i would recommend taking a closer look.
- PeterStuer 2mo agoPlease reread your commment and think about maybe you are not politicaĺly polarizing issues that should not be.
- tkel 2mo agoI see this as a higher evolution of simpler community tech projects, which are incapable of tackling or comprehending these things as a group. And so simpler projects will often neglect or reject taking them up altogether, using various restricting justifications. But the truth is this is a step for the community towards actually thinking about how you exist in the world that you live in and having a say in it. Congratulations.
- KronisLV 2mo agoBitcoin lets me send my friend abroad money with minimal BS, I quite like it (other services like Wise take more commissions and have more delays), but also realize there's a lot of scam prjoects etc. out there. Then again, Codeberg as a project can do whatever they want. I'm just happy that anyone can host Gitea, Gogs, GitBucket or GitLab or whatever they wnat. For my personal stuff Gitea works really nice with Woodpecker CI. I'm sure many other hosted platforms don't have such stringent rules, though.
- sandebert 2mo agoI wonder if we will see a fork of Forgejo and Codeberg (the latter is based on the former) that will allow for this and AI contributions. I would be interested in trying it out.
- inigyou 2mo agoThere is one. It's called Forgejo
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- bArray 2mo agoI don't think you want to store your source code in a place where they ban projects based on politics [1]: > Allowing these projects is not a neutral stance; the effects to the environment are severe. The "DarkFi" (seemingly some crypto designed for criminals, citing an FBI director) project for example uses a "PoW blockchain" (per their readme). PoW (Proof-Of-Work) projects waste an astonishing amount of computational energy, with Bitcoin alone using more energy than the entire countries of Argentina or the Netherlands. This energy is almost always from fossil fuels, which directly contributes to greenhouse gas emissions and undermining any global efforts to fight climate change. > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. Cryptocurrency is bad, but LLMs are fine? What next? Maybe you can't store your simulation source there because it is deemed to resource intensive for the expected results? When did source code itself become dangerous? It looks like we need more alternatives... [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184
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- bramhaag 2mo ago> Cryptocurrency is bad, but LLMs are fine? No. https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...
- spacechild1 2mo agoThat is actually a great blog post! I wholeheartedly agree with the points they are making.
- bArray 2mo agoThe core argument they are making is one of resources, I can find myself seeing their point. Another abuse of the service would be to convert videos into ASCII text and check them into git, for example. The issue with the crypto argument is that it is purely political, it is not affecting the service at all. You may think that you agree because it happens to align with your political sentiment, but it's entirely possible they come for your projects next.
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- llama123 2mo agoI'm probably repeating what others had said but might as well join in on the very classic hnews saga of talking about a conversational topic in super autistic detail lol. On the one hand its there site so they can do what they want and tbh its pretty easy to self host your own git server nowdays (which i do) however the issue i do have with this and really its a wider issue i have with the industry as whole: I feel like we focus way to much ideology's and moral grandstanding which we then insert that into tech projects so seeing stuff like this makes we want to avoid using this site with a 10 foot pole. Can we just focus on tech not some moral grandstanding about politics, crypto blah blah but i guess thats too hard of a thing to ask or something
- FireInsight 2mo agoIf this, or the vibe-coding ban upsets you, you're not the target demographic of Codeberg. It's not a big tent project looking to host all the code in the word, like Github is. It's for principled, quality, open source, community-first software. Look at the explore page to see what that means: https://codeberg.org/explore/repos?q=&only_show_relevant=true&sort=moststars https://codeberg.org/explore/repos?q=&only_show_relevant=tru... The entire point of Forgejo, the git forge that Codeberg runs on as well, is that you can run your own very easily. I've stopped having private repos on Github completely in favor of my own Forgejo instance, and it's way smoother and nicer. Codeberg was never meant for private repos, but if I get around to starting a new floss project that I want to put out there, Codeberg would be a great option! And sure, right now there is no cross-forge collaboration, so you need to have multiple accounts. But forge federation is planned, eventually you should be able to contribute to your friend's project from your instance. If you don't wanna wait, go look at https://tangled.org/ https://tangled.org/ or something.
- RamblingCTO 2mo agoCome on, forge federation is a running joke. Nothing happened for years now
- aveao 2mo agotangled exists and works (but not particularly well).
- RamblingCTO 2mo agoYeah, I meant in gitea. I need to have a look at tangled, I already have the tab opened
- acedTrex 2mo agoI looked into contributing but found the existing ecosystem to be very confusing and convoluted.
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- RamblingCTO 2mo agoWhile codeberg can do as they please, I'm worried about the walled gardens we're creating all over the place. Be it non-exclusive open source projects (hi gitea) because it's a meeting point for a subset of extremist politics or services like this (not even talking about x, fediverse, etc. etc.). The open and free web seems dead, it's fragmented into oblivion. I always valued the weird and random exchange of ideas that challenge my own worldviews.
- inigyou 2mo agoWas it less fragmented when everyone had their own website?
- RamblingCTO 2mo agoEven then you had IRC, BB etc.
- inigyou 2mo agoEach group had their own ones. IRC started with one big network but was fragmented by channel. BBs were always very decentralised.
- RamblingCTO 2mo agoI know, that's not what I'm arguing. Fragmented != walled garden
- intunderflow 2mo agoI've just got back from my day, and I see the Codeberg PR has been stormed by new accounts. Please dont. I posted this here to spark a discussion on HN, not as a license to raid Codeberg. They're at liberty to set their own policies in the same way I'm at liberty to not use their services. If you want to discuss this and you're not already an account holder at Codeberg, the comments section is right here.
- StrontiumK9 2mo agoThey are not necessarily new accounts, their flag shows this is the first time you engaged with a discussion. You could have had an account for months, and it still flags you as new.
- intunderflow 2mo agoOh good, my mistake in not knowing what the tag meant
- poisonborz 2mo agoBesides support, the only correct feeling about this "well that sucks, I'll selfhost or open my own source sharing service with different guidelines". I wouldn't have backed this decision - but lots of smaller communities hosting services, backed by different tech, making steering decisions is the right way for the open internet.
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- inigyou 2mo agoName an online service that is not political
- reassess_blind 2mo agoI bet Microsoft loves that these GitHub competitors shoot themselves in the foot so often.
- inigyou 2mo agoWhat is a "GitHub competitor"?
- nasretdinov 2mo agoI think the real issue is that lots of people somehow got convinced that Codeberg is a somehow better version of GitHub that won't ever be susceptible to the same issues GitHub had, which is mainly too much centralisation and all the risks associated with it. Codeberg and others setting their own rules (especially if it's done via a community vote and not a decision by some random exec who's just heard a buzzword and now forces everyone to immediately adopt it) is actually a desirable outcome -- given that Forgejo or any other GitLab is open source, so you can (and somebody probably will) create more "hubs". This avoids lock-in by a single "hub" and hopefully will lead to more standartisation and cooperation instead of what we have now with a single largest hub like GitHub.
- Retr0id 2mo agoNot just cryptocurrency projects, cryptocurrency related projects. But hey, it's their space.
- VortexLain 2mo agoIf Codeberg becomes a place where you cannot just host any of your projects without caring about its politics like you can host on GitHub, GitHub monopoly will continue. This is very unfortunate, and despite I prefer Forgejo web UI to GitHub's web UI, I'll have to stay off codeberg out of concerns they'll wipe my repos in case, for example, they decide any LLM-assisted code is suddenly disallowed on the platform.
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- pluc 2mo agoNow ban AI
- jimbo_joe 2mo agoIt's hard to understand decisions like this from an organization offering an alternative to Github since it goes directly against the network effects that they are supposed to be trying to build. I understand the point of banning a project after it comes out that they've commited crimes, but I hardly want the host of my repo to be the authority deciding whether my project is good or bad before the fact.
- sirnicolaz 2mo agoLol, since when Crypto == PoW. Ignorants
- il-b 2mo agoCrypto enables resistance to tyrannies in many parts of the world. It also provides a means of survival for oppressed groups.
- jMyles 2mo agoCodeberg being transparent about having a political bent - which all projects do even if they claim not to - is fine. Wonderful even. But I think they got this particular political decision wrong, both ethically and factually. Looking at what seems to have passed for "deliberation", it's hard not to walk away with a very poor impression of codeberg (or at least, their process for deciding on such bans). The crux of the argument appears to have been that blockchains are environmentally destructive - obviously a critique aimed at Proof-of-Work blockchains. Then, many commenters pointed out that the environmental argument doesn't apply to proof-of-stake projects in the same way. The responses then become just inane and immature. For example, "The dominant cryptocurrency is still Bitcoin and they have no plans to move to Proof-of-stake." - I can't fathom how this statement has any bearing on the impact of other proof-of-stake projects using codeberg as their VCS host. Through these issue threads leading up to the vote, the arguments in favor of continuing to host blockchain projects are far more reasonable and sober and better informed than the detractors. If anything, this discussion seems to reinforce the (and my) view that, on long time scales, blockchains are likely to be an elegant solution to humanity's problems of economic inequality and inefficiency.
- dlubarov 2mo agoMoreover, the vast majority of active software development work relates to modern proof-of-stake blockchains like Ethereum, not Bitcoin which is mostly ossified.
- rwz 2mo agoYeah, I'm not interested in a service that makes their product decisions based on the political hot button issue of the day. Was it only yesterday when they decided to ban "vibecoded" projects? Nobody in comments had a clear idea on what exactly the definition of "vibecoded" is, so half of the discussion was just confusion. Now it's this. I want my code hosting to host my code and only consider removing something when there's a legal demand from authorities. Otherwise you can't be sure that the code you host peacefully today won't fall out of political activists favor tomorrow and be deleted forcing you to scramble figuring out where to move to. Fuck this.
- qwm 2mo agoI guess I kind of agree with this, but Monero-related stuff is the exception for me.
- toilet 2mo agoI support this change in theory but for me personally, this is not a rule I Am going to follow.
- fud101 2mo agoOk codeberg, I see you. Time to make an account there.
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- itsveryterry 2mo agoA lot of these cryto brands get targeted by fake accounts and domains that scammers run to try and leach off of their users. This is why brand protection services like ChainPatrol have become more of a thing. Not even just crypto, basically any brand with an online user base is targeted and AI tools are causing an explosion in scams on the internet
- MarkWillis 2mo ago[dead]