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We're extending access to Fable 5 on all paid plans through July 12

• minimaxir 4mo ago
  Previously, access was set to expire today (July 7th) It is theorized that OpenAI may time the release of GPT 5.6 in Codex to convert people who have lost access to Fable, so this is an interesting game theoric consequence.
  • handfuloflight 4mo ago
    It was foreseen.
  • bathory 4mo ago
    It is, many people are hungry for GPT-5.6, considering it is supposed to be Fable class, with lower costs. Many Claude users were ready to jump ship.
    • roncesvalles 4mo ago
      Also consider that Fable launched on June 9. Many people including myself bought a 1-month Anthropic subscription just to use Fable. By extending it to July 12, they're gonna get a second month out of a lot of such people. If it really expired today, I wasn't going to renew my month.
      • LoganDark 4mo ago
        I immediately downgraded my subscription as soon as they revoked access, then upgraded it again once Fable came back. So they're getting no extra month out of me unless they keep Fable available.
        • skeledrew 4mo ago
          Isn't the plan locked for the month though? I don't see them processing refunds for anyone who starts with Max and downgrades to Pro. Although the converse wouldn't be true: they'd be happy to upgrade a plan at any point.
          • LoganDark 4mo ago
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      • kiernan 4mo ago
        My theory is they saw capacity would have issues during weekday working hours due to last minute frenzy of usage, so would rather it happen on a weekend if it has to happen.
  • onion2k 4mo ago
    It's also possible that giving access to Fable when lots of people have been taking time away from working on things (4th July, World Cup, etc) meant they didn't spend much time with it.
• testycool 4mo ago
  I was rushing to make the most of Fable today, and I'm at 67%, with limit reset on July 11th. If would've used it more moderately if I had known in advance.
  • internet2000 4mo ago
    Same here. 20% usage already with just half a day usage. Wish they'd commit to keeping it on Max, even if severely limited.
  • dsmurrell 4mo ago
    Same here, I'm at 98% :( They think they're giving you something when they're actually taking something away.
• hbarka 4mo ago
  Looks like we are at the end of the frontier-level models at subscription pricing. After this grace period, it will be double the cost at paid-per-token usage. I’m counting on the other models to compete at the subscription level and I need my harness to be agnostic. I need an AI harness that lets me switch LLM models dynamically depending on the task.
  • skeledrew 4mo ago
    > I need an AI harness that lets me switch LLM models dynamically depending on the task. OpenRouter put up something about this a few days ago. Check out their Advisor and Subagent docs.
• jauntywundrkind 4mo ago
  Rather smart way to keep a bunch of subscriptions subscribed. I still feel a bit salty I got so much less out of the time I thought I was buying. And I stayed up late asking Fable for what giant leaps and potentials and architectural rewrites might benefit various side projects, so I kind of got what I wanted. But I'll probably keep one of my pro accounts, for just a bit more usage.
  • dicey 4mo ago
    I half expected OpenAI to make GPT 5.6 available today, just to tempt people to switch over. Either way, I'm glad Fable is staying accessible, it's been fun.
• gorgmah 4mo ago
  Now I'm wondering if the 84% probability of GPT-5.6 release on polymarket on july 9th is about to drop substantially (in order to release while fable is at extra cost, like everyone seems to anticipate)? If they miss thursday release, does it mean they'll release Sol on next tuesday?
• freedomben 4mo ago
  The opacity and unpredictability of Anthropic is really starting to become more than just an annoyance. I'm glad they're extending access, but the roller coaster is really starting to cause whiplash. If they're eventually going to add Fable to the subscription plan, I wish they'd say something about that now, or at least confirm if they don't plan to for awhile. The feeling I get is they don't want to make any announcements because they are flying by the seat of their pants and want to see what their competition does first.
  • dboreham 4mo ago
    They have an IPO to launch, so they're not going to do that.
• gck1 4mo ago
  I have a really hard time understanding how anyone is ready to pay $200/mo to be put on such a rollercoaster all the time. I've used fable, it's great. But nothing beats predictability - ever. This truly feels like some form of emotional abuse/manipulation at this point.
  • winwang 4mo ago
    I would pay $200/mo for Opus 4.8 already. Fable 5 is just a cherry on top (although, without it, Codex 5.5 is the better buy imo).
  • hosel 4mo ago
    Oh gee $2000 worth of tokens from the best available model for $200 wonder how people shell out that kind of cash
  • DonsDiscountGas 4mo ago
    I pay that much and don't even use Fable because everything I do involves biology
    • Kim_Bruning 4mo ago
      I feel your pain. Apparently I still do a lot of biology in my day-to-day and in my thinking, so fable jumps the tracks a lot for me.
  • cjbgkagh 4mo ago
    I would pay vastly more, I think it’s incredible value. If I had no other choice I think I’d pay up to $1K per day. The amount of work I’m getting through is absolutely immense.
    • laichzeit0 4mo ago
      Same. I don’t know what Mickey Mouse work people are doing that 4.8 is “enough”. CRUD apps maybe? I have some serious Bayesian statistical research programs running and Fable is on another level than 4.8. It feels like Andrew Gelman is supervising it. Even the vision model on Fable is superior to 4.8 which is great for having it digest research papers.
• Computer0 4mo ago
  Very expensive, not sure how it fits in with many companies seemingly trying to get employees using models at about Sonnet tier pricing. I certainly would never pay API rates for it, using ccusage I am seeing myself "use" $150-$400 worth of fable per day. (https://www.theinformation.com/articles/tesla-caps-employee-ai-spend-200-per-week-adoption-push https://www.theinformation.com/articles/tesla-caps-employee-...)
  • andai 4mo ago
    That's funny. Sonnet is not great in my opinion. I mean, it often amazes me with its creativity, and I do prefer its style over most bigger models from other providers. But it also constantly just does dumb things that make me slap my forehead. Opus is a lot better but the slap ratio has not reached 0 yet. Fable seems a bit better there, more testing needed. But yeah, VC money ran out, now we wait for Moore's Law... :) -- Re: Sonnet-ish-pricing. GLM-5.2 is cheaper than that, and appears to be "Opus-ish" in quality. I've been having a reasonably fine time with it. My experience is that it's "very solid for small and medium tasks", haven't tested it for anything bigger though.
    • Computer0 4mo ago
      I use GLM 5.2 through Opencode Go, but find it to be quite slow when you get to higher contexts (80k+) through their provider so I have not been able to test too much.
      • copperx 4mo ago
        Do they disclose their providers? I haven't found any info.
        • Computer0 4mo ago
          Not that I am aware of
  • andai 4mo ago
    Do you have numbers for how much you were spending on Opus before with ccusage? If tokens are equal, Fable should only be twice as expensive, but I think it does a lot more work by default.
• cromka 4mo ago
  I think HN deserves a collective round of applause on this one: almost everyone here predicted this would happen.
• fearmerchant 4mo ago
  For coding Opus 4.8 with ultracode is near perfect and doesn't grind away as many tokens. Fable is advertised as 2x the tokens but in my experience it is closer to 5x what I burn with Opus 4.8.
  • andai 4mo ago
    Do you mean in tokens or in $?
  • cjbgkagh 4mo ago
    I only use Fable on things Opus 4.8 would struggle too much with, and as my harness improves that’s less and less. That or they dialed up the intelligence on Opus.
    • cjbgkagh 3mo ago
      This is no longer true in that I’ve now completed the bulk of my easy work the residual is the tough stuff that Opus cannot do and even Fable struggles with it.
• cyanydeez 4mo ago
  ...because there's not enough token addicts and we need a proper set of whales.
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• dsmurrell 4mo ago
  Hmm, so I planned to use all my allowance in 6 hours time (the time they said it would be around until) for the week and then they extend it so that I burned almost all of them in a wasteful way without having the time to review things properly.
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• isaac77 4mo ago
  I believe these labs really nailed the restrictions on independence for these models. I have seen collegues coding bs with fable 5. Genuinely, the skill issues is feel by the agent and the output is alike
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• goplayoutside 4mo ago
  https://xcancel.com/claudeai/status/2074548242386178258 https://xcancel.com/claudeai/status/2074548242386178258
• dsmurrell 4mo ago
  I planned to use all my allowance in 6 hours time (the time they said it would be around until) for the week and then they extend it so that I burned almost all of them in a wasteful way without having the time to review things properly.
  • krackers 4mo ago
    If they were going to do this, they must have known a few days in advance. Feels intentional.
    • dsmurrell 4mo ago
      It does.
  • cjbgkagh 4mo ago
    This is the second time you posted essentially the same message 40 minutes later, are you stuck in a loop? I wonder if people are looping in addition to their AI agents.
    • ValentineC 4mo ago
      I'm guessing dang might have merged some of the submissions.
    • dsmurrell 4mo ago
      I queued it up with Fable, now my limit is reached. What do you use your limits for? To check other people's comments on various threads? :)
• mil22 4mo ago
  If they pair this with a reset, then it will be good news. Otherwise we all just rushed to use our quota before the July 7th deadline for nothing. Corollary: use your quota now because a reset seems likely.
  • yulker 4mo ago
    it's incredible how volatile the product and pricing situation is right now. i struggle to find an equivalent industry that has been so all over the place and obtuse
    • usef- 4mo ago
      I suspect it's the combination of wanting to capture market share (subsidised plans), being severely capacity limited in GPUs, and having bursty and absurd growth rates. There was speculation that Anthropic might be allocating fewer GPUs to training for a few days to allow people to use Fable. The actual API pricing seems far more of a stable downward trend, if measuring by equivalent intelligence.
    • scubadude 4mo ago
      > i struggle to find an equivalent industry that has been so all over the place and obtuse No surprises, it's fundamentally built on promises and lies
  • GaunterODimm 4mo ago
    Yes, especially in light of possible GPT-5.6, any day now. No reset = easy switch to 5.6. nobody wants to drop that usage.
    • bdelmas 4mo ago
      I wonder if they are not just gonna wait that GPT-5.6 is released before doing any move.
  • alfg 4mo ago
    I used up all my Fable credits over the weekend. Looks like mine just reset today.
• nickandbro 4mo ago
  Loosing Fable July 12th and getting usage cut by a third post July 13th is going to be rough. Looks like all the reporting about Anthropic trying their earnest to turn a profit this quarter is true. In the mean time, I will gladly switch to Codex. Their Pro plan gives you amble usage and only runs close when you are using the fast mode. And even if you run out of credits, they have given users so many credit resets this past month that you can just activate one of those after. I understand Fable is a great model, but switching to API usage will run many people thousands of dollars with the same usage from their subscription plans. Not worth it IMO. EDIT: corrected usage cut amount
  • robgough 4mo ago
    What makes you think your usage is getting cut by 50% post July 13th? It's just that you can use up to 50% of your usage on Fable right now, and that is what is going away. I'm going to miss Fable too, I found it surprisingly tough going back to Opus when we lost Fable first time round, but paying API costs is simply out of the question for me right now.
    • nickandbro 4mo ago
      https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 I guess to be more accurate, usage wouldn't get cut 50% but rather by 33.3% post July 13th.
      • robgough 4mo ago
        Wow, thanks, I'd missed that. It's impossible to keep up with Anthropic and their rather erratic way of operating.
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  • user3939382 4mo ago
    Subscription is ~$200/month. When I tried running on tokens it was ~$500/day for the same usage pattern. My guess is my usage is atypically high, but even if the average equivalent is $100-250/day you can get a sense of how much Anthropic is subsidizing subscriptions as a loss leader to lock market share. IMHO this is a doomed strategy since open models will get into a long tail of parity and they’ll ultimately essentially be in the business of commodity compute.
• JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  I've been on Anthropic's subscription product for a few months. I pay annually. I miss Kagi's multi-model product [1]. Anthropic's nonsense around releasing, deprecating, optimising/lobotomising is tiring, and isn't matched by the value of running different models against each other. Fable has been fine. But its reliablity is crap. The constant downgrading is crap. This last-minute promotional windowing reeks of JCPenney pre-bankruptcy, not a trusted tool. I hate the Electron app–it's slow and ugly and shows Claude isn't trusted by its own makers with app development. I'm using 4.8 instead of dealing with the pop-ups saying my asking why basil browns is causing my account to be downgraded, and I'm still not sure if that's a nerfed 4.7. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/ultimate-plan.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/ultimate-plan.html
• throwatdem12311 4mo ago
  The drug dealer sample strategy seems to work good for them.
  • replwoacause 4mo ago
    Does it? Maybe. But I've grown weary of it. It feels like I'm in a relationship with a mercurial partner, never quite knowing where I stand.
    • Quothling 4mo ago
      I think it does. I know this is through Microsoft, but they give you a month free of Cowork which is currently Opus 4.8 (or at least they did for us) and I doubt we'd ever go back. When I say "we" it's the enterprise organisation "we", but this also where this sort of spending won't stop anyone. I can't go into exact details, but if our first month had not been free, then our most expensive user would've hit around $1000, while our average (among users who've adopted it and actually use it) is around $100. Neither of those numbers would matter in a budget. I've had the pleasure of setting up limits because Microsoft needed billing policies before our C-levels have even gotten it on their agenda. So I set up a sort of conservative $200 personal limit, but then setup a $1m shared limit pool that anyone can be moved into with management approval. I suspect our limits will be much higher than this once the C-levels make the decision on an actual company policy. I think we'll see these spending limits mainly used as guardrails to prevent accidental spending, but that there will not really be a ceiling, just some approval gates. Some managers are already requesting usage reports, but not to track spending, they want to see who uses too little AI. This is the difference between enterprise and small companies and individuals. When you spend $500k a month keeping your toilets stacked with papertowels, toiletpaper, soap etc. then $1m a month on AI isn't going to raise any eyebrows.
      • NichoPaolucci 4mo ago
        Your most expensive users consuming $1,000 dollars a month doesn't matter in the budget? That seems like FOMO activity or something, I feel like even big teams require proof of ROI for an investment like that (1M). BTW, the ROI of toilet paper + soap is pretty easy to prove (you GET to have employees if you provide those two things). FWIW we are a smaller company and we had a user run through 500$ in a DAY. Had to put a stop to that. I'm hopeful that our company gets better at asking what the ROI is, what is being built, how much time is it taking, etc... It's no big deal when it's 20 / 100$ a month - but if the prices end up higher we will need to start seeing some returns other than "I feel faster".
• linsomniac 4mo ago
  Man, this "Fable" has been rough. Last week we get access to it again, then they reset usage after a day or two with no warning. Lots of "missed" Fable time because I was pacing it for a reset 5 days down the line. Use up all my Fable time last week, resets Sunday and I don't have enough work projects to burn up the tokens by today, so I burn them on some toy and side projects, which I wouldn't have done if I knew I was going to have it until Sunday. Now I'm at 100% and they give out more access. It would have been WAY more useful for them to announce the extension, you know, yesterday. This is basically the worst time for them to announce it. Bunch of goobers, who thought this would be a good idea?
  • JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > Use up all my Fable time last week I'm spending more time catering to Fable and Anthropic's B.S. than solving problems with Fable. I'm increasingly convinced not getting this deeply baked into single models and going back deep learning on topics of interest is both more fun and useful. (This week: chlorophyll chemistry under heat, also the Sri Lankan civil war.)
• linsomniac 4mo ago
  Kind of shooting themselves in the foot here. In the process of getting all my Fable use in, I'm also at 68% on overall week limit and 5 days left. So not only am I likely to be using OpenAI much more heavily this week, I'm going to be doing it while being slightly annoyed at Anthropic.
  • Salgat 4mo ago
    Anthropic wants companies that use API billing. Their growth period through hooking individual users who bring it to the business is over.
    • jofzar 4mo ago
      Unless they change it so there's no data training/retention for fable, I don't even understand what company is using API fable.
• fcanesin 4mo ago
  Anthropic: reminder that DeepSeek-V4 GA version is expected to debut on July 13 as showcase for the release of the Huawei Ascend 950dt
• spyware_suburbs 4mo ago
  The most frustrating part is that everyone thought the access was ending on the seventh and used it up as much as possible only to have them say oh by the way on the 12th you can it'll go away and so you can keep using it. No one has any more fable usage tokens left? We all used it up they should've also reset people's weekly usage.
• Sevii 4mo ago
  On July 12th they will extend it again.
  • brookst 4mo ago
    Perhaps. I don’t blame them for short horizons given capacity constraints, government mayhem, etc. Promising anything more than a week at a time seems fraught.
• seer 4mo ago
  Getting on and off fable this week has been quite interesting. For my personal work stream (big terraform monorepo, hundreds of states) I’ve using mostly superpowers to do heavy / quality work. But with fable, I tried just telling it what to do, and it produced roughly the same results without a big structured back and forth that I was accustomed to. Then after using up all my fable allowance I figured let’s see if opus can actually work without superpowers, and no, it was all over the place doing weird things. Thing is, superpowers produces meticulous specs and plans as a byproduct of its work, which is very useful for switching between work trees, stoping / resuming work by different people. But to do that in Fable you have to spend way more tokens than it’s reasonable. You get similar quality result, but without the specs in between. I’m not super sad that I’ll have to go back to opus though, with superpowers it was Fable but more structured. But I will miss the banter though - Fable is amazing for brainstorming big underspecced features.
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  • try-working 4mo ago
    This is an interesting comment because it makes me want to ask the question, what is the use for fable then? For me, GPT 5.4 is enough when using recursive-mode. I do appreciate GPT 5.5 Pro for some larger research, architecture, planning tasks though. I think that's what Fable is for. A very small % of total work.
    • matheusmoreira 4mo ago
      > what is the use for fable then? Cybersecurity hardening. The one thing they don't allow the model to do.
      • solumunus 4mo ago
        That’s Mythos. Fable isn’t specifically for that I don’t think, just an enhanced ability and persistence of Opus.
• jnaina 4mo ago
  for the first time, I'm rooting for the chinese to break the american monopoly on AI. although I have gemini, anthropic and openai subscriptions, I just opened an OpenRouter account and will be using more chinese open weights going forward.
  • bdelmas 4mo ago
    It’s only a question of time. I think right now 60% of AI paper published is from China. They are already the bests at cost optimization
  • alecco 4mo ago
    IMHE the models work much better if you go directly to the creator's API. DeepSeek V4 official API gives me 8x better caching so it was 40% cheaper in my case. Unless it bothers you China gets your data instead of giving it to the American VC-backed companies. It also prefer to give my money to the pro-social companies giving away their open models (they cost many millions) instead of opportunists who don't give much back.
• kelnos 4mo ago
  Still definitely not trying it if I'm gonna lose access on my subscription plan. "First hit is free", indeed.
• nh43215rgb 4mo ago
  does it matter much? i find my claude code experience always downgraded from fable to opus anyway.
• somenameforme 4mo ago
  Does this affect anybody? It seems they didn't reset your Fable usage so this only applies to people who didn't hit their 50%-of-plan limit with Fable and I can't imagine that's many people given how this thing eats through tokens like that's its job. On Pro I generally could not complete a single plan+execution cycle without hitting my token cap, so that 50% of weekly limit got eaten up fast and I assume that's the typical case. I suppose it benefits people whose weekly reset is sometime between now and the 12th? Feels like vibe management, because I find this part of the promo more annoying than not.
  • phinnaeus 4mo ago
    > I can't imagine that's many people Well, I don't know how many people it is but I certainly haven't bothered to use it except once or twice. What's the point in getting used to it as a daily driver when it won't be available in perpetuity? But in any event, you're still right that it won't affect those of us in that camp.
    • matheusmoreira 4mo ago
      It's still good for code review though. Would've been better were it not for the obnoxious cybersecurity filters that prevent the model from hardening the code. Lots of people are trying to get the most value out of it before it goes away.
  • bdelmas 4mo ago
    I was planning on using it all until today so I burned quite a lot yesterday.
  • nevi-me 4mo ago
    I maximised usage and have reached the limit. I feel like I did 2 week's worth of hobby work over the last few days. I got Fable to write multiple plans, spent a great part of the weekend reviewing them. Then with superpowers I left must of those plans executing with little intervention over the past few days. I struggled to get Opus to just keep going without trying to convince me that it's late.
• replwoacause 4mo ago
  I can honestly say that as a paying customer, I'm getting a bit tired of being jerked around by this company. It's on again, off again. Snip snap snip. And by the way, telling people there's a deadline so they all scramble to use their "Fable allowances" before being cut off, only to then be told "just kidding, here's 5 more days" without getting a usage reset is just another frustrating and disappointing customer experience. Seriously, all OAI needs to do at this point is just release GPT 5.6, have it be a solid model and then not jerk it out of the hands of their customers, and they're going to eat Anthropic's lunch.
  • mil22 4mo ago
    Agreed, but let's not forget to put at least some of the blame on the Trump administration for the export control fiasco.
    • jaykru 4mo ago
      They begged publicly, multiple times to be regulated. This is before even mentioning the gross exaggeration of their model's dangerous capabilities.
      • mil22 4mo ago
        I don't think that exculpates the Trump administration for its arbitrary and capricious use of export controls, an ill-suited legal mechanism, without reasonable process or justification - thereby forcing Anthropic to scramble.
        • nullbio 4mo ago
          Who cares, that doesn't have anything to do with the way Anthropic behaves. Not everything needs to be turned into something about Trump.
          • mil22 4mo ago
            Perhaps if the Trump administration had left Anthropic and OpenAI alone, it wouldn't have turned into something about Trump.
• g42gregory 4mo ago
  I am using Opis 4.8 xhigh, in OMP.sh coding agent (full agent built on Pi), with Matt Pocock Skills installed. I don’t see a particular bump in code quality from Fable 5. In fact, it feels less reliable to me than my current setup. No sure why I am not seeing what everybody else is seeing. Perhaps OMP/Pi (head and shoulders better than Claude Code) + Matt Pocock Skills already encode all the agentic improvements Fable has?
  • aenis 4mo ago
    Opus 4.8 xhigh is my daily driver for everything. I'd say Fable's edge is visible when designing for a complex problem with no obvious, idiomatic solutions. It is good at greenfield designs, and good at pointing out the pros and cons of hard design choices. I now do designs with Fable, and do implementations off those designs with Opus. Pretty happy. For a while I was using Fable for everything, but burned through a lot of real money for not much value, I think for coding its slow and not at all better than Opus.
  • mavamaarten 4mo ago
    I had the same sentiment. In my limited testing, it didn't perform any better than Opus at all. It wasn't a particularly challenging taskset either, mostly just "add this simple feature" with plenty of context and very clearly defined scope. It worked functionally but there were much better and simpler approaches available. For the cost, I don't see how Fable can ever be worth it.
• leobuskin 4mo ago
  @anthropic, can you finally add $800-$1000 per month plan and allow us to work instead of tracking your weekly changes and dramas? I think, we (individuals, small-medium biz, first of all) did our best to help you train the model like Fable. Enterprise-level lockdown (and API costs define this) is... unfair? I mean, we all knew that you all will just use us, but it's AI, right? For people, right? Right? The only reason this is happening -> someone (US gov?) decided that it's time to bail out those who would inevitably die within a year or two otherwise, middlemen.
  • psyclobe 4mo ago
    Seriously, just let me fucking pay to get steady service 24/7.
    • sroussey 4mo ago
      Use console and pay API rates. Very predictable.
      • 0123456789ABCDE 4mo ago
        usage credits is also an option, auto-reloads too.
      • xienze 4mo ago
        No, not like that! Something that gives me unlimited usage for an insane discount!
  • AuthAuth 4mo ago
    American Tech companies hate their users
  • altmanaltman 4mo ago
    There is absolutely 0 chance Anthropic or OpenAI will get a government bailout (it might still happen in this admin but it makes no sense). These companies are not like banks which are fundamentally important to the economy. Sure AI is important but Google is not going to die. Why would you save OpenAI and Anthropic when google, amazon or microsoft can just gobble them up when/if needed? The average taxpayer gets 0 benefits from LLM. It might change in the future but for now that is true. This was exactly the reverse with banking, everyone would lose their own money if the banks just disappear tomorrow
• bbor 4mo ago
  Thank you, Anthropic. This random drop in the bucket wants you to know that this was a big deal for them!
• winterbourne 4mo ago
  Everyone scrambling to max their usage before the deadline may have given Anthropic some valuable data on exactly how much compute they can handle. The extension could also be a play to minimize the effect of OpenAI's next move. Even if they grant a reset, the ball is now in OpenAI's court.
• ozozozd 4mo ago
  This reality show kind of bored me already. I haven’t even made an attempt to use Fable 5. Is it so amazing? Or is it the “intermittent reward” and exclusivity driving people to use it?
  • nullbio 4mo ago
    It's just empty hype. It's mildly better than Opus 4.8 at best.
    • sunaookami 4mo ago
      You've never used it
      • nullbio 4mo ago
        I've used it extensively.
        • noworriesnate 4mo ago
          Then you're over-generalizing your experience. Fable is definitely a tier above Opus for me.
• yieldcrv 4mo ago
  like a fent plug on Market st
• gwd 4mo ago
  Anyone understand what the point is of only extending it for 5 days?
  • rootatixww3 4mo ago
    easier to plan/estimate compute for 5 days than for a month. worst case you only have 5 "unprofitable" days
• zeafoamrun 4mo ago
  Why don't they just continue to give you Fable access but have it use quota at 4x or 8x so they at least let people on plans continue to use it, even a little? I'm already using it judiciously because I tried ultracode with it and it ate my 5h quota while only getting halfway through the problem.
  • pkaye 4mo ago
    I have a feeling they are waiting for the upcoming ChatGPT release to decide.
• Khaine 4mo ago
  The drug dealers are giving out a bit more of a free hit to get people hooked on the more expensive models.
  • charcircuit 4mo ago
    It's not free. It uses a lot of your quota.
    • baq 4mo ago
      $200/mo is the new ‘free’ in the area
      • GRiMe2D 4mo ago
        Offtop rant: This blows my mind. We cared for 30% commission from Apple App Store, PlayStation Store, Steam for things that you buy once and forget for at least 2 years (even when publisher pull their licenses, which happen rarely), but paying 200$/month for 10x of "something" is okay and "basically steal"
        • baq 4mo ago
          I prefer ‘my usage subsidized by investor money’ but yes it’s a sea change
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  • aenis 4mo ago
    Ya, and it works. I now default to Fable-for-the-design, Opus-for-the-build mode, which is sort of cost effective, but I am hooked. Opus does not compare when it comes to architecture, designs and algorithms, esp. for gnarly problems without an obvious compromise-free solution.
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• asasidh 4mo ago
  Anyone got any usage left to use it ?
• morgengold 4mo ago
  Let's be real: Fable 5 on API pricing is so expensive that most solo devs won't be able to use it outside of a pro or max plan. Exceptions might be individuals with highly profitable businesses or mini side projects.
• zjsjns 4mo ago
  Only inferior, talentless and lower intelligence developers need to rely on LLMs. Fortunately, you're all going to be jobless when the AI boom fizzles out and it becomes cost prohibitive to use these products once VCs aren't subsidising it. Then us real developers will be laughing.
• ngsevers 4mo ago
  Anybody else find Fable almost unusable because of the safeguards? I generally can't get more than 2 minutes into a task without it auto-switching back to opus..
  • pyrex 4mo ago
    I'm in the biomedical field so yes, it drops to Opus 4.8 straight away due to safeguards.
    • nottorp 4mo ago
      Same for the dental app I'm working on. And for the record i'm NOT vibe coding it...
  • matltc 4mo ago
    Just fyi: you can toggle auto-switching to opus if safeguarded.
• theplumber 4mo ago
  I knew this was going to happen. It’s just part of Dario’s hype strategy.
• Cider9986 4mo ago
  These comments feel like kids and their parent Anthropic. "For summer, you're becoming a big boy so we've made the decision to increase your allowance." You are an adult, why are you using a service that treats you like a child?
  • tmountain 4mo ago
    Cause all the kids are hooked on crack.
• mahkeiro 4mo ago
  Fable may be fine but it tripped itself in the security measure and suddenly went to opus in the middle of a rework of a price index where it was improving the correction of past exchange rate… And of course now it hides all the thinking process and just spit out the results.This make it a pain to review the proposed change and underlying reasons. Working for a ling time with that is going to be a nightmare for anyone trying to understand what are the change for and a massive cognitive load.
• alex7o 4mo ago
  This is just a series of ploys to make more marketing about fable. They know that if they make it api only nobody is going to talk about it. And knowing that openai will have a comparable model soon means they need to stir up some hype and make people use/talk about it as much as possible. And bluffing that access will be restricted until a specific date is just marketing. Like saying buy in the next 24 hours get one free.
  • nottorp 4mo ago
    Yep, sounds like the usual time pressure tactics. Perhaps because no one's actually trying it. In the mean time, their vibe coded frontend doesn't actually let me use Fable because it thinks i'm trying to hack open source software. What I'm actually doing is debugging null pointer crashes due to data corruption in the closed source software i work for these days, but no, you dirty hacker, you can't do that. So let's recapitulate: - they put out some marketing copy about Fable being a world ending threat for finding security vulnerabilities - they get banned by the US government, which believes the marketing copy - they add "safeguards" and the US government allows them to make it public again - said safeguards make the product useless for their paying customers
    • greengreengrass 4mo ago
      I’ve consciously not used Fable because I want some usage allowance to remain for the rest of the week. The 2x billing is just too aggressive for me when I tried it (max x20 plan user currently).
    • bossyTeacher 4mo ago
      > Yep, sounds like the usual time pressure tactics. Perhaps because no one's actually trying it. For your average user, Sonnet is more than enough. Opus will be rarely used. Fable is really something professionals will use and even then with low frequency. The model is really good but the token economics don't make it so appealing to the amount and breadth of people you need to get people talking about Fable the way people talked about Chatgpt in 2022. AI fatigue is here and Anthropic and the like are fighting hopelessly against a rising tide.
• azalemeth 4mo ago
  I still haven't been able to use Fable. I'm a medical physicist -- it just balks at anything I do and gives me an AUP / safeguard error. Applies even if I docstrip out all the comments in my C code!
  • noworriesnate 4mo ago
    Is it because of the type of work you're trying to get Fable to do or because Fable knows you're a medical physicist? I.e. if your CLAUDE.md says "I'm a medical physicist" but you're asking it to write a command line tool to list github prs or something, does it balk at that?
• k9294 4mo ago
  Meh... Waiting for OpenAI models without this 5 more days subscription bullshit. It looks like Anthropic baiting people into Max subscriptions before turning the model off. No thank you.
• ocd 4mo ago
  They give me regular access to Fable, or I'm going to unsubscribe and lobby the heavens for Cohere to release a consumer AI service with a lady's name instead of something like "Claude."
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• nullbio 4mo ago
  I really hope people cancel their subs once GPT 5.6 drops. This company deserves to sink.
  • artemonster 4mo ago
    How so?
    • cromka 4mo ago
      Because they're not in bed with DoD /s
    • nullbio 4mo ago
      https://clawd.rip https://clawd.rip here's a start.
  • 8cvor6j844qw_d6 4mo ago
    > I really hope people cancel their subs once GPT 5.6 drops. I'm planning to subscribe to OpenAI after exhausting weekly usage with Fable. Good timing with GPT new models and might as well take a look at Codex. While skills can be copy pasted, I'm not sure if the hooks are transferable.
• thisisit 4mo ago
  Despite paying for Claude access, I don't use Fable but I find this always changing policy quite exhausting to follow. There is 2x usage, there is no 2x usage, there is 2x usage but only x hours, there is no 2x usage, there is Fable access, there is no Fable access, there is Fable access till x date, there is Fable access till x + y date. This is just exhausting. I just want to open and usage the default model and within limits. That's all I ask.
  • jve 4mo ago
    > I just want to open and usage the default model and within limits. That's all I ask. Well... doesn't it work just like that, always? Open, prompt, get the result form whatever model your agent extension decides now should be the default one.
  • CommanderData 4mo ago
    It's pretty deceptive. Sonnet only? Seems to have gone. Older models disappear all the time. This announcement in May about higher usage limits, changes to peak times https://www.anthropic.com/news/higher-limits-spacex https://www.anthropic.com/news/higher-limits-spacex. Is this even the case anymore? Or has it changed again. The information needs to be baked into the UI. I set a hard cap of 200k tokens, with Claude's instructions. The app doesn't even respect this. Someone might say this information is out there but a definitive source is often hard to find, or tell if it's current. I grow a little more and more resentful with sudden unplanned changes like this and want the day of local LLMs so I'm in full control.
  • outdig 4mo ago
    reminds me of a certain orange dude.
• _pdp_ 4mo ago
  I couldn't find a situation where Fable was significantly outperforming Opus enough to make me say wow. I tried to make it fix a browser game that is sort of like a Mario clone. It couldn't. It fumbled in the same places Opus was struggling too. I tried it with other code as well, but I couldn't get any significant performance improvement out of it, except perhaps in improving my account's token burn. If anything, in my opinion, GLM 5.2 had a better moment than Fable recently. Not because it is better, but because it was not hyped at all, and many people realised that it is possible to run a serious open-weight model yourself, as long as you can get the hardware to support it. I am not drawing a direct comparison here, because Fable is clearly the better LLM. But GLM 5.2 is a good, honest model, and I think open-weight models will only get better going forward. GPT 5.6 is claimed to be at a similar level, or even better than Fable. We will see. They don't seem to hype it as much, and I have not read anywhere that anyone found a soul or consciousness inside it. And if it benchmarks well, I would possibly use it more for this very reason. It reminds me of that story from Nassim Taleb's Incerto series where if you have two surgeons at practically the same level, but one looks like the typical surgeon and the other looks like a butcher, who are you going to choose? Taleb suggests that the answer should probably be the butcher, because to get to the same level while looking the part so much less, they probably had to be much better than the data shows for. I cannot also understand the hype online claiming that the Fable transitioning to token-based billing after the gratis period is equivalent of being in the permanent underclass. The only impressive demo that I saw was it writing NES games which kind of looked fun but I couldn't find more details and I am not sure if you can get this done with another model - probably you can but nobody is trying. So great model but it does not have the same effect as Opus 4.5 and Codex which made me feel that there was a stepping-stone change. GLM 5.2 had that moment though.
  • scotty79 4mo ago
    > many people realised that it is possible to run a serious open-weight model yourself, as long as you can get the hardware to support it That's not realistic. You'd need non-consumer hardware for a frontier open-weights model. And even if you had such hardware for free. Electricity to run it would cost you more than a sub.
• minraws 4mo ago
  After some crying over not getting 5.6 access early and losing Fable and then getting it back, after calmly trying out these models again, I am back to thinking they are over hyped and Anthropic and OpenAI is minting marketing from it. Prompting Fable is a lot easier sure, like you can actually ask it to build X and it will produce something close-ish to X, but there is hardly anything it can do I couldn't before, and it still fails to do basic stuff and I have to redo it. Especially this threatening to pull access, extending access, limiting access is all signs that point to the fact that either these companies are deeply mismanaged. So it's mismanaged because there really isn't a viable product but just hype, as oss models catch up and break down need for these full size models I am feeling more certain that it's not even remotely worth betting on AI. If there was infinite demand as people posit there would be zero needs to extend this, there would be zero need to market it, they could literally stop all marketting and just keep selling shovels and printing money. This AI will they won't they saga just leaves a horrendously bad taste for me. I say that as someone working on the tech, and with a lot of belief in AI technologies. I just get pushed more into the thinking that this is all just a big bubble, sure the tech might be real but it just doesn't make sense how it's being wrapped up and sold/presented. I strongly believe good products sell despite the marketing, for instance Linux won in servers despite alternatives because of its merits, AI should be able to as well. Why can't I just enjoy the product and why do I have to look for conspiracies I don't know but these companies sure as hell are doing something very shady.
• kelvinjps10 4mo ago
  After all the hype about fable 5, I was expecting more. It's just another incremental improvement in their models, nothing out of the world. Yeah it's more "independent" but that's also a problem because I like that Opus prefers to clarify a lot of stuff before going right to the implementation.
• deepsquirrelnet 4mo ago
  > You've used 92% of your Fable 5 limit · resets Jul 12, 12pm So generous.
• TomJansen 4mo ago
  I work in Bioengineering, and I have never ever had a prompt go through Fable's safety filters. So I have never had the pleasure of using it. Why release a model with such strict filters? It would be more sensible from a buisness perspective if they had sensible filters in place right away.
• abe11o 4mo ago
  $10/$50 is unaffordable sorry. I'm not spending a dime past the max20 plan, I stretched it to make the 1/2 cap work but it's literally too expensive after to even "test" or "explore" at this price it basically has to spit out a functional product in one shot, and despite it being noticeably better than 4.8 its still no where close to that point.