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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say
- JohnTHaller 4mo agoPresident Trump has written a strongly worded check to Netanyahu in response (according to The Onion)
- shrubby 4mo agoSeems legit.
- trumpdong 4mo agoIt's the most reliable source of news these days.
- lostlogin 4mo agoIs even dumber than that. Funds for Israel flow. Trump was yelling expletives down the phone at Netanyahu this week. Trump has been leading an Israeli war. It’s dizzying, and it’s almost as though there is a lack of sound minds involved. Has the US ever been easier to manipulate or spy on?
- lazystar 4mo agoor more likely, like we the public do not have the full context of whats going on behind the scenes.
- infinitezest 4mo agoBased on what we _do_ know, I have serious doubts that this admin could keep a secret if they wanted to.
- WaxProlix 4mo agoYeah, I have to imagine Donald Trump has better intel and is making wise, measured, well-informed decisions beyond the abilities of your average HNer.
- cactusplant7374 4mo agoWhere is the proof that Iran was going to attack the US? I mean real proof and not just saber rattling.
- lostlogin 4mo agoIf we assume everything you say here is true, why is the US in such a bind with reopening the straits? The risk of Iran behaving exactly like this has been understood for decades. The attack was not a a wise, measured move.
- pvaldes 4mo ago> Trump was yelling expletives We can assume that the conversation didn't went the way that Trump wants us to think. When somebody annoys Trump, even slightly, he assures to appear on video broadcasted to the whole planet calling infantile expletives to that "ugly" and "incompetent" person. It does not matter if he called "beautiful" and "expert" that same person on the previous hour. As a good narcissist, he will force himself in the middle of the picture every-single-time (and push off the road anybody that would dare to speak for him). Trump is 120% predictable in that sense. Is known to have one of the thinnest skins in the planet and to be easily triggered. But with Netanyahu curiously we enter in a totally different game, a plausible deniability game of: he-said-that-she-said-that-somebody-has-seen-trump-yelling-on-phone. Trump must be approved the message but is afraid to emit it personally. Otherwise we should accept the nonsense that such freak of control, the most videotaped man in the planet, became so out-of character that is now allowing leaks, forgiving the whistleblowers, and hiding a video that he personally would absolutely love, LOVE, to show to his fans. A video of him showing dominion assertion over Bibi. The only logical explanation for this save facing move, is that this dominion does not exist and that Israel do what they want.
- pvaldes 4mo agos/must be approved/must have approved/
- pandaman 4mo ago>Has the US ever been easier to manipulate or spy on? Yes, at least nowadays Israel does not try to sink American warships, killing dozens of sailors in the process and then having the US government to cover it up.
- FunnyUsername 4mo agoIt's pretty absurd to think that Israel would intentionally attack a neutral superpower in the middle of a war for its survival, knowing that at best it would have to apologize and pay reparations, and at worst it would be destroyed by a vastly stronger military. Friendly fire happens all the time; not everything needs to be a conspiracy.
- pandaman 4mo agoCan you give an example of a friendly fire on a warship consisting of continuous air and naval attack over the course of two hours? Just one? Friendly fire will suffice, I am not even asking about some other country doing the same to the US. As for Israel motivation it's pretty obvious why they did it - they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt and involve the US in the war. Though it does not really matter, even you are unable to deny that Israel attacked the US ship, it's an empirical fact.
- FunnyUsername 4mo agoScrewups happen, and it wasn't only on Israel's side. USS Liberty was way closer to the coast/warzone than it should have been due to missing an order, and once attacked, wasn't able to even communicate with its fleet for quite a while, let alone with Israel. > they wanted to blame the attack on Egypt There was no attempt to blame Egypt, and the idea is completely implausible - a US investigation could very easily distinguish an Israeli vs an Egyptian attack when a variety of boats (coming from Israeli ports) and many other assets are involved.
- pandaman 4mo agoSo I figure you could not find an example of friendly fire like that despite your assertion they happen all the time? Color me unsurprised. >There was no attempt to blame Egypt Are you an LLM? Of course there was not - the ship survived and there were too many witnesses of Israel doing this, it would be the uber chutzpa to still try to say it was Egypt.
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- mupuff1234 4mo agoIsrael would be deeply impacted by the results of the negotiations, so is this surprising or unexpected? Any nation including the US would most likely do the same in a similar scenario over what is considered to be almost existential negotiations.
- sndgndgndgndy 4mo agoIt would be a massive scandal if any of our other allies were conducting this level of spying on our country's senior leadership, for the sole purpose of manipulating their decision processes to the foreign ally's benefit. Israel needs to learn to play by the rules.
- basilgohar 4mo agoFrom its start Israel's existence has been about not playing by the rules. The days are numbered for Israel because it's not and never has been a sustainable enterprise and its exploitation of the American people and US taxpayer money is catching-up to it faster than it can damage control it away or come-up with more and more creative ways to pay people to call label criticism of Israel a hate crime.
- logicchains 4mo agoIt's sustainable as long as it's neighbours keep being so corrupt and oppressive that their GDP (total, not just per capita) can't even keep up with a country 10x smaller than them. Israel literally has a larger GDP than Egypt and Iran combined, and not because Israel is doing anything special (GDP per capita there is less than e.g. Australia or the US), but because Egypt and Iran's military dictatorships are incredibly economically destructive.
- stale2002 4mo agoIsrael has a modern military and 200+ nuclear weapons that they would absolutely use in a last resort scenario (like all countries would). They are not going away anytime soon, nor are their days numbered. Like geez, we can't even get rid of North Korea, how are people expecting to successfully destroy a nuclear armed power without getting everyone else in that area killed? Its delusional.
- Aboutplants 4mo agoLegitimate question, what would Israel need that we don’t already openly provide?
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- Arodex 4mo agoTrump doesn't let Bibi bomb Lebanon and doesn't fight to the last American in Iran
- ceejayoz 4mo ago> Trump doesn't let Bibi bomb Lebanon Sure he does. They did it today! https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0g8jymg92o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0g8jymg92o
- jasonlotito 4mo agoTrump doesn't let? Trump is sitting in a chair in the corner of the room of any negotiation he's in. He's weak at best.
- fakedang 4mo ago> sitting in a chair More like sleeping in the chair
- jasonlotito 4mo agoIt's in the corner, and it's porcelain. But you get it. And people worship that.
- jarym 4mo agoProtection from the risk that the tide might turn on them despite their extensive political lobbying? Just taking a guess here but probably not far off.
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- himata4113 4mo agoI really dislike when a tiny fraction of the conspiracy theories become true since it validates people who believe in them. But I have to admit I do have one of my own, pegasus and related spyware can gain a lot of power over politicians i.e. blackmail which makes me think about how much of our politics are based solely on the fact that politicians often find themselves exploiting their powers and then possibly getting caught by spyware turning them into somewhat of a tool.
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- himata4113 4mo agoIt's mostly about X conspiracy theory turned out to be true, so the Y conspiracy must be true! The fact that it even has to be a conspiracy theory that later gets validated is what annoys me, asking questions is okay, claiming conspiracy as fact is not.
- make3 4mo agoThinking that Israel potentially spies on the US government is not what anyone reasonable would call a conspiracy theory.
- EchoVoicy 4mo agoWhat is and isn't considered a conspiracy theory changes very rapidly. There are a lot of things that today are considered common sense that 10 years ago would be considered a fringe conspiracy theory.
- himata4113 4mo agoask AI with internet access disabled aka: the aggregate of the entire internet. every single ai, chinese included will call it antisemitism.
- pbiggar 4mo agoEvery Big Tech company employs hundreds of "former" Israeli spies - Google just brought on another 900 via their acquisition of Wiz (to add to their existing 6000).
- basilgohar 4mo agoThis is well known and documented. It should not be downvoted. Zionism in Big Tech is a huge issue. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese documented this extensively in her report that got her sanctioned by the US. [0] TurboTax had IDF soldiers in uniform in their offices. [1] [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5923-economy-occupation-economy-genocide-report-special-rapporteur https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5923-... [1] https://thegrayzone.com/2026/04/28/tech-giant-employees-idf-uniforms/ https://thegrayzone.com/2026/04/28/tech-giant-employees-idf-...
- FunnyUsername 4mo agoPresumably he's a reservist who was drafted after his country was invaded, and tried to attend a few work calls (although he should have been on paid leave) while drafted. What's the issue? Also one reservist is not "soldiers", and a video call is not "in their offices".
- bigyabai 4mo ago> What's the issue? You are literally commenting under an article titled "Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying" - it should be easy to determine the conflict of interest here. The Inslaw affair still gets discussed pretty often in security circles, as does Pegasus and FORCEDENTRY. Israel's spyware poses a threat only eclipsed by China, to most Americans.
- stale2002 4mo agoThe vast majority of people in the USA do not want to destroy the state of Israel so I am not sure why you are making some conspiracy about (((zionists))) controlling big tech companies. Basically everyone in the US is a zionist. Especially once you point out that Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons and it would be a horrible idea to try and destroy them.
- paulsutter 4mo agoThe Snowden disclosures revealed that the US was regularly spying on Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, Mexico, the EU, and the UN. Also of course the CIA was spying on Congress. One can only imagine that many of these countries were also spying on us in various capacities, albeit with fewer resources. Israel is a bigger concern because they're extremely good at it, but I'm sure it's nothing new.
- wefarrell 4mo agoFrom the article: >While it is commonplace for allies and adversaries across the globe to spy on each other, the current and former U.S. officials said Israel’s recent efforts have gone well beyond what is typical and expected espionage.
- impossiblefork 4mo agoIt should also be noted, that the EU countries which this espionage targeted were not happy about it at all, and did not find it one bit normal.
- basilgohar 4mo agoAh, the whole, "Everyone does it, why are you picking only us?" They used to for their warcrimes, genocide, apartheid, and literally every other thing they are guilty of.
- parthdesai 4mo agoHow many of those countries openly lobby politicians in USA though?
- StriverGuy 4mo agoEvery single one.
- parthdesai 4mo agoDo you’ve proof for that? On the other hand, AIPAC is out there for anyone to see
- basilgohar 4mo ago"Government suddenly and confusingly starts acting accordingly to what everyone's already know for a long time." This is really quite scary when you think about it. Why now all of a sudden?
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- delecti 4mo agoMaybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.
- petcat 4mo ago> everyone knew was a bad idea It was a good idea if it was also timed during the popular uprisings. But the 20,000+ die-hard citizens that would have effected regime change were slaughtered months ago. So now it's just a scared populace hunkering in place while USA warships and jets dominate their country. And the Iranians fire off the occasional drone swarm on UAE.
- basilgohar 4mo agoIt was not and never was a good idea. The US and Europe need to stay out of the Middle East, including Israel and Palestine, and let the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and all other indigenous peoples of the area live there peacefully like that had for over a thousand years until each and every single time Europeans and Americans entered militarily causing chaos and havoc. Was it 100% peaceful prior to the Crusades? Of course not. But not anymore so than anywhere else in the world. Did it become a mess once they arrived? Yes, and they slaughtered everyone, including Christians, when they came, let alone Jews and Muslims and everyone else that wasn't them. So, we need to stop pretending like the US and European colonizing entities do any kind of good wherever they go. It's just about enriching the elites through military contracts while subverting any peoples' attempts to have autonomy for themselves.
- outside1234 4mo agoWe are all fooling ourselves if we don't consider that Israel is interfering in our elections too.
- gosub100 4mo agoThe Thomas Massie situation is extremely suspicious.
- nico 4mo agoAIPAC publicly brags about this. https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/aipac-says-it-was-proud-to-help-pro-israel-republicans-win-races-in-georgia-kentucky https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/aipac-says-it-was-pro... https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/comments/1ry8tha/aipac_openly_bragging_about_manipulating/ https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/comments/1ry8tha/aipac_ope...
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- basilgohar 4mo agoThis is a non-sequitur. It's an "American" organization whose sole purpose is to lobby the US government on behalf of the interests of a foreign government. It should register as a foreign agent as should all its employees because that's exactly how they behave and why they exist.
- throwaway534634 4mo agoThere's a name for that: Fifth column.
- toasty228 4mo agoYou could at least use accounts created more than 5 minutes ago, sloppy job mossad
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- tokai 4mo agoThen flag it and move along.
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- engcoach 4mo agoThis development isn’t necessarily incompatible with the idea of the US being a vassal state (e.g. the takeover is a partial compromise as open admission of capture would lead to a mass uprising against the Federal government possibly via a national guard division or the like)
- 9x39 4mo agoDon't miss the attempt of the removal of Section 224 of the US NDAA at the same time, a polarizing development in discussions on Israel, to put it mildly. https://www.aipac.org/memos/america-israel-defense-ndaa-224 https://www.aipac.org/memos/america-israel-defense-ndaa-224 https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2026/06/03/lawmakers-quarrel-over-effort-to-boost-defense-tech-integration-between-us-and-israel/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2026/06... https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-israel-military-congress/ https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-israel-military-congres...
- laweijfmvo 4mo agoif your boss suddenly asks you to carry a pager, do not accept it.
- mthoms 4mo agoTrump already accepted a gold pager from his boss (Bibi). I wish I was joking.
- WhereIsTheTruth 4mo agoI remember when orange people would flag your comments whenever you mentioned Mossad spying on people Mazel Tov!
- Sam6late 4mo agoThis could be 'curiosity' about negotiation with Iran, as there is what could be considered an AI merger between the 2 countries ; the FY2027 NDAA (H.R. 8800) bill text was officially released by Chairman Mike Rogers (R-AL) and Ranking Member Adam Smith (D-WA) on May 26, 2026. - House Armed Services Committee markup was set for June 4, 2026. https://www.uschamber.com/security/letter-to-house-armed-services-committee-on-h-r-8800-the-national-defense-authorization-act-for-fiscal-year-2027-chairmans-mark https://www.uschamber.com/security/letter-to-house-armed-ser... Section 224 of the FY2027 NDAA, titled “United States–Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative,” is a draft provision sponsored by Chairman Mike Rogers and Ranking Member Adam Smith. It aims to deeply integrate U.S. and Israeli defense industries and militaries through joint R&D, testing, manufacturing, technology sharing, training, information-sharing, network integration, and data fusion. AI is one of several technologies included, not a standalone “AI merger.” The provision is still a House committee draft, not final law, and may be amended before passage.https://www.uschamber.com/security/letter-to-house-armed-services-committee-on-h-r-8800-the-national-defense-authorization-act-for-fiscal-year-2027-chairmans-mark https://www.uschamber.com/security/letter-to-house-armed-ser...
- catigula 4mo agoThe parasite completes its lifecycle, consuming the host.
- throw310822 4mo agoIsrael doesn't really need to spy on the US. They can just ask Kushner.
- mentalgear 4mo ago> Top U.S. officials often take extra care when traveling to Israel, sometimes using burner phones and computers and taking extreme caution when speaking in hotel rooms during official trips, the current and former U.S. officials and experts said. > Israel has “a hyper-aggressive intelligence service,” said Emily Harding, vice president of the Defense and Security Department and director of the intelligence, national security and technology program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank in Washington. “They are exceedingly interested in what we are up to,” Harding said of the Israelis. And these are considered their closest allies. What do they do with others.
- bushbaba 4mo agoThe top U.S. officials do the same when traveling to any country. Everyone does this to everyone else.
- morby 4mo agoNot true. Israel has a reputation for being exceedingly intrusive and aggresssive with US personnel. Just go watch intel community interviews online.
- balex 4mo agoAs is the US. Go watch same interviews.
- AlecSchueler 4mo agoSo? The claim was "Everyone does this to everyone else"
- balex 4mo agoAgreed. The whole intensity discussion is pointless.
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- basilgohar 4mo agoIt's important to not frame this as a US vs Israel thing. Israel is, at best, the last of the Western world's settler colonies, and as such, is serving a purpose, a so-called landed aircraft carrier. [0] The fact that there is tensions in the government regarding Israel means that the entities that found value in Israel are losing out to those that don't. So-called America-first powers no longer see 1st-tier support of Israel as in the interests of the US. This will not go well with Zionists, who are still supported by massive backing and financial interests. They will spend a LOT of money to keep Israel the US's "top ally" despite it being no such thing in any meaningful way. Israel is a tool of the Western imperial forces. The fact that this story is breaking means that Zionism is getting more-and-more toxic to people in power. [0] https://michael-hudson.com/2023/11/israel-as-a-landed-aircraft-carrier/ https://michael-hudson.com/2023/11/israel-as-a-landed-aircra...
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- fuckinpuppers 4mo agoI’m confused isn’t there a bill to merge Israel and US intelligence/military together in various ways?
- opsnooperfax 4mo agoI’m more confused by your username. Wow.
- generj 4mo agoI believe it’s in reference to the humor TV show Letterkenny which has a beer brand called Puppers. Characters on the show often ask for another fucking puppers.
- sokka_h2otribe 4mo ago"dang! Those fuckin puppers ate the shoe again" I would assume simple
- shevy-java 4mo agoDidn't Trump recently ban Sean Strickland for critisizing Israel? https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/sean-strickland-says-hes-banned-045759953.html https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/sean-strickland-says-hes-b... Trump is like the ultimate tool of corruption - whether it is Russia or Israel or whoever, you name it. Dude flops to the highest bidder. No wonder US oligarchs are currently controlling the USA.
- jameslk 4mo ago> A spokesperson for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C., said in a statement that it is “completely false” that Israel spies on the U.S. “Israel does not gather intelligence on American entities, let alone US government officials,” the spokesperson said. “Israel intelligence collection efforts are aimed at its enemies, not its allies. Any claims to the contrary are either misinformed or politically motivated.” Not even a teeny weeny bit of spying on your allies?
- baq 4mo agoThey want to spy on the enemy, but they need to spy on everyone to know who is the enemy, obviously
- nerfbatplz 4mo agoThe rumor is that this hornet's nest got kicked because Netanyahu called Trump to complain about a classified cabinet meeting that the Israelis had not been briefed on.
- ada1981 4mo agoRemoving all US financial support for Israel and supporting sanctions and ICJ actions is the only way forward.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago> Removing all US financial support for Israel and supporting sanctions and ICJ actions is the only way forward Or at least starting with ceasing financial aid to Israel. If they want our weapons, they should have to pay for them. This has broad, bipartisan support in a way sanctioning Israel doesn't yet.
- mooktakim 4mo agoThey literally merging US military with Israel lol
- jasonlotito 4mo agoThis is pathetic. Raising this? This is the level of "intelligence" you get when you pretend to remove all DEI/wokeness and just leave the ones that cater to you. Pathetic.
- CrzyLngPwd 4mo agoI was reading about Israel interfering with US elections and spying on the US decades ago. Why is this news now? Us gives Israel money, Israel uses that money to buy people in power in the US, those bought people then ensure US taxpayewr money flows to israel to...and so the cycle continues. Nothing explains the US being subservient to Israel than this.
- throwaway27448 4mo agoThe reason it's news today is because intelligence services, which are venerated by american journalism, brought the issue forward. ...but in general, the conflation of Israel with Jewishness, and the conflation of anti-zionism with anti-semitism, has allowed the entrenchment of Israel's interests in broad daylight against our best interests.
- jraby3 4mo agoUS gives Israel weapons not money.
- bigyabai 4mo agoUS taxpayers buy the weapons.
- throwaway27448 4mo agoWe give both. We currently have an MOU to provide Israel with $3.8B a year, including $500 allocated for missile defense, through 2028. This is distinct from direct military aid. In total we have furnished nearly $100B since Israel's founding.
- morby 4mo agoPeople always mention the direct foreign aid but fail to mention all the other money flows. They receive many times more money each year in private investment and open trade agreements. I believe the figure is close to 90-100 billion USD each year going to Israel from the US. This doesn’t include the free movement of Americans to Israel for tourism, owning a second home, etc.
- groan 4mo agoStrange, I thought this was well known. See the leadership of most prominent tech companies.
- derektank 4mo agoWhat are you referring to? The only major tech company I’m aware of that had (until recently) an Israeli leading the company was Oracle, but Safra Catz stepped down as CEO last year.
- np_tedious 4mo agoIt's pretty clear that he doesn't just mean Israelis
- throwaway27448 4mo agoI don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.
- ruggeri 4mo agoI don’t agree with the assessment, but in terms of a great power being very interested in the interests of a small country, consider Serbia and Russia before WWI.
- throwaway27448 4mo agoI agree vassal is the wrong term... but we are currently committing global economic suicide on behalf of Israel's interests. I'm not sure what word is appropriate. Perhaps we need a new one. I'll look at Serbia, thank you.
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- bruce511 4mo agoWhile too big a subject to cover well here, the Serbia / Russia thing is different to US / Israel. Primarily a Russia friendly Serbia was important for Russian trade routes (Black Sea to Mediterranean via the Dardanelles.) In other words geography made Serbia important. In a twist on that theme, the strait of Hormuz is important to, well everyone, and we now see how geography can magnify a countries strategic value. There were other factors which came into play with Russia. Ethnically Serbia was aligned with Russia - similar to the US / Israel relationship today. It also didn't hurt that Russia at the time was experiencing internal discontent and this was a convenient way to thin the population, and get rid of malcontents. (Ironically would end up having the opposite effect of organizing, arming and training an army that ultimately would be instrumental in the revolution. ) The history leading up to ww1 is fascinating- so many players, all with really "big picture" goals, mostly with weak leadership.. Ultimately conflict was inevitable- if it hadn't been the arch-duke it would have been something else.
- andrewinardeer 4mo agoLike him or not, Kiriakou has been saying for years that Israel is the biggest threat for spying.
- nullpoint420 4mo agoI wanted to like him, but then after watching a few podcast appearances I realized he loves to play every side. He usually just reflects the hosts beliefs back to them. It also doesn’t help that he’s trying to line up a pardon from Trump, as well.
- karim79 4mo agoThese threads are always fun. The mental gymnastics of the Israeli "splainers" will never fail to amaze me. Israelsplainers perhaps. I want to say that it's just Netanyahu who needs to go away but it's actually much, much more than just him. The tide is shifting methinks and rightly so (and finally).
- bigyabai 4mo ago> Israelsplainers perhaps The Israeli wumao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara Hasbara has no direct English translation, but roughly means "explaining". It is a communicative strategy that "seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified". [...] In its 2025 budget, Israel planned to spend $150 million on hasbara, a 20-fold increase. In the 2026 budget, NIS 2.35 billion (about $730 million) has been allocated to hasbara.
- karim79 4mo agoI appreciate the comment and I'm well aware and fully clued up on the history of Hasbara and the rest. I actually thought the word "Hasbara" was closer to "explanation". Close enough lexically I guess. I just find this really depressing and I hope that there will be an end in sight. The happenings of right now is the stuff of horror novels. But still, it is fucking disturbing shit which somehow has a place in the world.
- karim79 4mo agoI mean 730 million isn't a lot, right? It's all good all safe. 730 million dollars. Which could solve hunger in parts of Africa. But let's just use it to protect our image.
- gib444 4mo agoHow convenient using a term that can't/won't be translated to "propa ganda" . How meta lol. That page is probably the most perfect demonstration of any concept which exists on Wikipedia
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- kumarski 4mo agoI had a few GS15s sit down with me in 2019 and explain to me directionally the vibe on Israel. Changed my viewpoint forever. For ~50 years America has subcontracted to Israel a portion of its intelligence operations and sometimes largely for plausible deniability, other times because we cannot spy on our own citizens - the last part wasn't said explicitly - but what I could grok. IMHO, the Israeli apparatus has gone far off the reservation in their operations and have lost favor in the past 5 years, especially in DC. Israel's intelligence apparatus has historically participated in cleaning dirty narco cash via affiliates to finance intelligence operations back home (mostly thorugh hapoalim, safra, leumi, and signature bank), sold hacking tools to narcos, running guns, cleaning blood diamonds, and running kompromat where they deemed it is needed. Rwandan and Guatemalan genocides probably wouldn't have happened to the stunning degree if the Israelis weren't illegally selling munitions into both. Also hard to get clarity if they were doing this as our subcontractors or going off the reservation. Signature Bank's collapse was a sign that your local Israeli-intelligence agency linkedin money laundering apparatus was going to have volatility that there would be volatiliy in the middle east. There was a time in the 90's onwards where one could wlak into signature, hapoalim, leumi, or safra with 10M in narco cash and get it cleaned, or so I'm told. https://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/19/finally-the-us-is-busting-israeli-banks-commentary.html https://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/19/finally-the-us-is-busting-is... 2023: 500k Israelis protesting against Netanyahu, blood diamonds going down in value b/c of lab grown diamonds, and the implosion of their money laundering apparatus cornerstone (Signature bank) probably was a positive signal for disruption in the Israeli way of life in mid 2023. The large question at play amongst the GS15s that I've heard murmured in DC is if America should subcontract security operations to a non-AUKUS passport holders, and Israel is the vendor in question. A lot of CIA seems bifurcated on their viewpoint of Israel. No idea when that happened. Our relationship with Israel costs us $10-$20/barrel in increased fees and 50B-100B/yr to have our military in the region. One thing that is fascinating - the Israelis are getting blamed for Iran right now - but the Hormuz volatility greatly increases their cost of living - and we are the greatest beneficiary. We are the largest producer of nat gas, helium, methanol, LNG, and Oil. I think the "hormuz volatility" has a terminating condition - APAC buying these US products in larger sizes. As it was explained to me, the reason the prices aren't 150 is because while maritime stuff is problematic - the surrounding 5 countries to Iran have ways to get the energy via pipeline and power line. World is a complex place, they're our subcontractor for now....no clue if they will be in the future but the trend is no.
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- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago> but it was around the same time and was a pretty wide spread attack conducted by presumably Israel Wat.
- throw101010qwe 4mo agohttps://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internationaleducationnews.highereducation https://www.theguardian.com/education/2002/mar/06/internatio... “ American authorities today revealed they have arrested and deported dozens of young Israelis they suspect were part of a giant spy ring. Up to 120 Israelis have been arrested since early last year after claiming they were art students and trying to gain access to sensitive government buildings.” Not sure if that citation helps your “wat” but Israel for decades has been a pretty aggressive partner at the world stage. Every country does it but Israel has a special touch.
- wahnfrieden 4mo agoThey aren't saying Israel did 9/11, they are calling the Israeli "art students" activity an attack. It's fair to characterize it as an attack: apparent spies attempted to infiltrate federal buildings and the private residences of federal employees.
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- throw101010qwe 4mo agoThanks for clarifying. I should not have mentioned 9/11, I just always remember it because it was right around that time.
- jmyeet 4mo agoFormer Arcadia mayor, Eileen Wang, plead guilty to being an illegal foreign agent [1]. She faces up to 10 years in prison. What did she do? She allegedly promoted Chinese propaganda and communicated with the CCP. If Israel was treated to the same standard, two-third of Congress would be tried for treason and most of the Beltway would now be in Federal prison. Senator Lindsey Graham said in his own words he goes to Israel "every two weeks". Jake Auchincloss, Democratic congressperson, said regarding the presumptive Democratic nominee for senate in Maine, Graham Platner, "I'd vote for someone else" [3]. Put another way, he'd rather a Republican win than an anti-Israel Democrat. When then president George HW Bush threatened to pause a $10 billion loan to Israell over illegal settlements, he famously complained "there are 1,000 lobbyists up on the Hill today lobbying Congress for loan guarantees for Israel and I’m one lonely little guy down here asking Congress to delay its consideration of loan guarantees for 120 days." [4] The level of influence is unreal. [1]: https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/arcadia-mayor-federally-charged-acting-illegal-agent-peoples-republic-china https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/arcadia-mayor-federally... [2]: https://www.rev.com/transcripts/graham-press-conference-in-israel https://www.rev.com/transcripts/graham-press-conference-in-i... [3]: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5895682-graham-platner-maine-senate-jake-auchincloss/ https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5895682-graham-platner... [4]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-lonely-little-george-h-w-bush-changed-the-us-israel-relationship/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-lonely-little-george-h-w-b...
- ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago[flagged]
- zuzululu 4mo agoWhat country do you live where $30,000 USD will make you leave your current high paying job ?
- ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo agoIm clearly speaking from the perspective of an American..
- RgrTheShrubbr 4mo agoI remember back in 2004 when the pentagon found an Israeli spy in the Pentagon. This has been going on for decades and I'm sure it will go on for decades more at this point.
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- AbuAssar 4mo agoThe department of homeland security’s twitter account is based in Irsael
- BirAdam 4mo agoIf this is such a threat, why are there Israeli offices in the Pentagon via the ODC? I mean… it isnt as if the USA has been fighting wars on behalf of Israel for nearly 30 years or anything…
- Georgelemental 4mo agoMy understanding is that the DIA is generally the least corrupt of America's many intelligence agencies
- diogenescynic 4mo agoIt's crazy how the media just intentionally ignores Israel's ethnic cleansing in Gaza but cares about a billion other fake issues. Rachel Maddow gaslighted half the country into thinking Russia was controlling the White House... meanwhile ignoring that we're starting wars at Netanyahu's request/demand. Or how Israel tried to blackmail Clinton over Monica Lewinsky. We can never actually assess our relationship with Israel--anything but slavish devotion is immediately called anti-Semitism.
- gmerc 4mo agoWhy spy when you can just command to hand over … or else release the files you got on everyone ?
- warumdarum 4mo agoThey are surrounded by a murderous imperialist religion that is currently purging the remains of all other minorities. The only "ally" they have halfway around the world is split in half, one half abadoning the values the alliance builds on, the other in full blown denial of all reality not fitting into some utopian messianic vision. Man, i would send spies to the ISS to, if i was on a spacewalk and some maniacs in the airlock started a fight on how to cut my lifeline..
- Asooka 4mo agoSo this is the USA under Trump. Anti-semitism as official government policy. Didn't take long for him to show his true colours as dictator.
- beernet 4mo agoBots in full effect now? This guy literally helped killing thousands of Israel's "enemies", out of which a majority are innocent civilians. Above everything, you are showing your true color.
- hedayet 4mo agoPutting politics aside, are any tech companies actually taking preventive steps in response to this new risk?
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- lobocinza 4mo agoWho need enemies with allies like that.
- _DeadFred_ 4mo ago[flagged]