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Codex for almost everything

1001 points by mikeevans 6mo ago

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hyperionultra 6mo ago
Tool for everything does nothing really good.
kelsey98765431 6mo ago
it it doesn't complain about everything being malware maybe i will come back to openai from my adventures with anthropic
croemer 6mo ago
What does "major update to codex" mean? New model? Or just new desktop app? The announcement is vague.
sidgtm 6mo ago
They felt the pressure of posting something after Claude 4.7
- wahnfrieden 6mo ago
  It was already leaked several days ago and they've been teasing it for weeks. They had already said that it was coming this week specifically.
  - romanovcode 6mo ago
    Obviously they pressed the "publish" button since Opus was released. Do not deny it.
    - throwaway911282 6mo ago
      ant is known to release stuff before oai. oai is consistent on 10am launches
    - pinkmuffinere 6mo ago
      lol I'll deny that your claimed truth is obvious. Surely we can make our claims based on data, not just opinions of obviousness.
bughunter3000 6mo ago
First use case I'm putting to work is testing web apps as a user. Although it seems like this could be a token burner. Saving and mostly replaying might be nice to have.
uberduper 6mo ago
Do people really want codex to have control over their computer and apps? I'm still paranoid about keeping things securely sandboxed.
- krzyk 6mo ago
  There are people running OpenClaw, so yeah, crazy as it sounds, some do that. I'm reluctant to run any model without at least a docker.
  - storus 6mo ago
    I run them all on an old Pentium J (Atom) NUC with 8GB RAM, so I don't even care. Some Chinese N100 mini PC for $100 is all one needs.
    - krzyk 6mo ago
      Using local models or external? If external, aren't they pricey? How much tokens they generate? If local, what runs on such hardware that gives reasonable results?
      - storus 6mo ago
        Local models on different machines with multiple RTX Pro 6000 or multiple DGX Sparks or a 512GB RAM Macstudio; the agents themselves run on that Pentium J NUC and just use exposed endpoints for local models. Forgejo for Git runs on another server. Therefore I don't really care if that NUC goes kaboom and can test everything quickly (OpenClaw, Hermes, Claude Code, Codex, OpenCode, Pi etc.). Or I can just use OpenRouter API key and access 10-100x cheaper models than Opus.
- entropicdrifter 6mo ago
  Programmers mostly don't. Ordinary people see figuring out how to use the computer as a hindrance rather than empowering, they want Star Trek. They want "computer, plan my next vacation to XYZ for me" to lay out a full itinerary and offer to buy the tickets and make the reservations. Knowledge work is work most people don't really want to deal with. Ordinary people don't put much value into ideas regardless of their level of refinement
daviding 6mo ago
There seems a fair enthusiasm in the UI of these to hide code from coders. Like the prompt interaction is the true source and the actual code is some sort of annoying intermediate runtime inconvenience to cover up. I get that productivity can be improved with a lot of this for non developers, just not sure using 'code' as the term is the right one or not.
- avaer 6mo ago
  Hot take: we (not I, but I reluctantly) will keep calling it code long after there's no code to be seen. Like we did with phones that nobody phones with.
  - jorl17 6mo ago
    Very much agree. Everyday people can now do much more than they could, because they can build programs. The idea that code is something sacred and only devs can somehow do it is dying, and I personally love it, as I am watching it enable so many of my friends and family who have no idea how to code. Today, when we think of someone "using the computer" we gravitate towards people using apps, installing them, writing documents, playing games. But very rarely have we thought of it as "coding" or "making the computer do new things" -- that's been reserved, again, for coders. Yet, I think that a future is fast approaching where using the computer will also include simply coding by having an agent code something for you. While there will certainly still be apps/programs that everyone uses, everyone will also have their own set of custom-built programs, often even without knowing it, because agents will build them, almost unprompted. To use a computer will include _building_ programs on the computer, without ever knowing how to code or even knowing that the code is there. There will of course still be room for coders, those who understand what's happening below. And of course that software engineers should know how to code (less and less as time goes on, though, probably), but no doubt to me that human-computer interaction will now include this level of sophistication. We are living in the future and I LOVE IT!
    - William_BB 6mo ago
      > The idea that code is something sacred and only devs can somehow do it is dying, and I personally love it, as I am watching it enable so many of my friends and family who have no idea how to code. People on HN are seriously delusional. AI removed the need to know the syntax. Your grandma does not know JS but can one shot a React app. Great! Software engineering is not and has never been about the syntax or one shotting apps. Software engineering is about managing complexity at a level that a layman could not. Your ideal word requires an AI that's capable of reasoning at 100k-1 million lines of code and not make ANY mistakes. All edge cases covered or clarified. If (when) that truly happens, software engineering will not be the first profession to go.
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tvmalsv 6mo ago
My monthly subscription for Claude is up in a week, is there any compelling reason to switch to Codex (for coding/bug fixing of low/medium difficulty apps)? Or is it pretty much a wash at this point?
- Austin_Conlon 6mo ago
  I'm switching because of the higher usage limits, 2x speed mode that isn't billed as extra usage, and much more stable and polished Mac app.
  - gbear605 6mo ago
    > 2x speed mode that isn't billed as extra usage ...at least for my account, the speed mode is 1.5x the speed at 2x the usage
    - Austin_Conlon 6mo ago
      Whoops yes I meant 1.5x speed!
- dilap 6mo ago
  FWIW, I've found Codex with GPT-5.4 to be better than Opus-4.6; I would say it's at least worth checking out for your use case.
- trueno 6mo ago
  at least for our scope of work (data, interfacing with data, building things to extract data quickly and dump to warehouse, resuming) claude is performing night and day better than codex. we're still continuing tinkering with codex here to see if we're happy with it but it's taking a lot more human-in-the-loop to keep it from going down the wrong path and we're finding that we're constantly prompt-nudging it to the end result. for the most part after ~3 days we're not super happy with it. kinda feels like claude did last year idk. it's worth checking out and seeing if it's succeeding at the stuff you want it to do.
- romanovcode 6mo ago
cjbarber 6mo ago
My current expectation is that the Cowork/Codex set of "professional agents" for non-technical users will be one of the most important and fastest growing product categories of all time, so far. i.e. agents for knowledge workers who are not software engineers A few thoughts and questions: 1. I expect that this set of products will be extremely disruptive to many software businesses. It's like when a new VP joins a company, they often rip and replace some of the software vendors with their personal favorites. Well, most software was designed for human users. Now, peoples' agents will use software for them. Agents have different needs for software than humans do. Some they'll need more of, much they'll no longer need at all. What will this result in? It feels like a much swifter and more significant version of Google taking excerpts/summaries from webpages and putting it at the top of search results and taking away visits and ad revenue from sites. 2. I've tried dozens of products in this space. For most, onboarding is confusing, then the user gets dropped into a blank space, usage limits are uncompetitive compared to the subsidized tokens offered by OpenAI/Anthropic, etc. It's a tough space to compete in, but also clearly going to be a massive market. I'm expecting big investment from Microsoft, Google etc in this segment. 3. How will startups in this space compete against labs who can train models to fit their products? 4. Eventually will the UI/interface be generated/personalized for the user, by the model? Presumably. Harnesses get eaten by model-generated harnesses? A few more thoughts collected here: https://chrisbarber.co/professional-agents/ https://chrisbarber.co/professional-agents/ Products I've tried: ai browsers like dia, comet, claude for chrome, atlas, and dex; claw products like openclaw, kimi claw, klaus, viktor, duet, atris; automation things like tasklet and lindy; code agents like devin, claude code, cursor, codex; desktop automation tools like vercept, nox, liminary, logical, and raycast; and email products like shortwave, cora and jace. And of course, Claude Cowork, Codex cli and app, and Claude Code cli and app. Edit: Notes on trying the new Codex update 1. The permissions workflow is very slick 2. Background browser testing is nice and the shadow cursor is an interesting UI element. It did do some things in the foreground for me / take control of focus, a few times, though. 3. It would be nice if the apps had quick ways to demo their new features. My workflow was to ask an LLM to read the update page and ask it what new things I could test, and then to take those things and ask Codex to demo them to me, but it doesn't quite understand it's own new features well enough to invoke them (without quite a bit of steering) 4. I cannot get it to show me the in app browser 5. Generating image mockups of websites and then building them is nice
armcat 6mo ago
Is it OpenAI Cowork?
thomas34298 6mo ago
Does that version of Codex still read sensitive data on your file system without even asking? Just curious. https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/2847 https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/2847
- trueno 6mo ago
  ran into this literally yesterday. so im gonna assume yes.
- ethan_smith 6mo ago
  This is a pretty important issue given that the new update adds "computer use" capabilities. If it was already reading sensitive files in the CLI version, giving it full desktop control seems like it needs a much more robust permission model than what they've shown so far.
- andai 6mo ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_stole_my_api_keys/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_... tldr Claude pwned user then berated users poor security. (Bonus: the automod, who is also Claude, rubbed salt on the wound!) I think the only sensible way to run this stuff is on a separate machine which does not have sensitive things on it.
  - baq 6mo ago
    'it's your fault you asked for the most efficient paperclip factory, Dave'
- p_stuart82 6mo ago
  the awkward part isn't just about reading sensitive files. search, listings, direct reads, browser and computer use all sit behind different boundaries. hard to tell what any given approval actually buys or exposes.
tommy_axle 6mo ago
OpenClaw acquisition at work.
- falcor84 6mo ago
  Any particular evidence for this other than the conjecture that it might be related? To me it seems like just a natural evolution of Codex and a direct response to Claude Cowork, rather than something fully claw-like.
- saagarjha 6mo ago
  Wrong acquisition.
VadimPR 6mo ago
Only on macOS though? This doesn't seem to work on Linux. Neither does Claude Cowork, not officially.
- rvz 6mo ago
  This is why both companies are in an SF bubble.
  - mrcwinn 6mo ago
    Linux desktop users. Talk about a bubble!
    - cmrdporcupine 6mo ago
      There's this thing called Windows. I don't like it, and I'm sure you don't either, but it's not a Mac. Or a Linux. And it's what most actual desktop users are stuck with, still.
- duckmysick 6mo ago
  I don't see how it's possible to support Linux with Wayland, unless you limit the automation only to the browsers.
  - VadimPR 6mo ago
    https://github.com/patrickjaja/claude-desktop-bin https://github.com/patrickjaja/claude-desktop-bin seems to be trying hard to but I haven't tried it.
OsrsNeedsf2P 6mo ago
> Computer use is initially available on macOS, Does anyone know of a good option that works on Wayland Linux?
- evbogue 6mo ago
  Codex-cli / OpenClaw. If you need a browser use Playwright-mcp. I can't see why I'd want an agent to click around Gnome or Ubuntu desktop but maybe that's just me?
  - 2001zhaozhao 6mo ago
    I think the killer feature in this release is the background GUI use. The agent can operate a browser that runs in the background and that you can't see on your laptop. This would be immensely useful when working with multiple worktrees. You can prompt the agent to comprehensively QA test features after implementing them.
  - OsrsNeedsf2P 6mo ago
    > I can't see why I'd want an agent to click around Gnome or Ubuntu desktop but maybe that's just me? What if you want to develop desktop apps?
- rickcarlino 6mo ago
  Goose is an option, but it is just OK. https://github.com/aaif-goose/goose https://github.com/aaif-goose/goose
mrtksn 6mo ago
Codex is my favorite UX for anything as it edits the files and I can use the proper tooling to adjust and test stuff, so in my experience it was already able to do everything. However lately the limits seem to have got extremely tight, I keep spending out the daily limits way too quickly. The weekly limits are also often spent out early so I switch to Claude or Gemini or something.
- ttanveer 6mo ago
  I imagine the generous limit we felt were just from the 2x codex was offerring. I also felt the regression, and only recently remembered they had this.
  - mrtksn 6mo ago
    I'm aware of the 2x limits but IIRC that was supposed to be until 9th of April or something like that and I wasn't hitting the limits especially the weekly one. Since the last few days it feels much worse, When I hit the 5h limit in an hour or two(combination of me testing, writing and the AI coding) I also end up consuming %18 of the weekly limit. So I have like 11h a week of work window. Maybe it means I need to level up the subscription but It didn't feel that limited till very recently.
postalcoder 6mo ago
I wish Codex App was open source. I like it, but there are always a bunch of little paper cuts that, if you were using codex cli, you could have easily diagnosed and filed an issue. Now, the issues in the codex repo is slowly becoming claude codish – ie a drawer for people's feelings with nothing concrete to point to.
- avaer 6mo ago
  That would allow Anthropic or anyone else to sit back and relax while the agent clones the features.
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hmokiguess 6mo ago
I can't help but see some things as a solution in search of a problem every time I see these examples illustrating toy projects. Cloud Tic Tac Toe? Seriously?
incognito124 6mo ago
<tin foil hat> I swear OpenAI has 2-3 unannounced releases ready to go at any time just so they can steal some thunder from their competitors when they announce something </tin foil hat>
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- avaer 6mo ago
  They did acquire TBPN, this barely needs tin foil. Credit to them for being media savvy.
  - mcmcmc 6mo ago
    Is that a credit, or is it evidence that they know their product isn’t good enough to stand on its own?
    - Insanity 6mo ago
      This is nothing surprising and not unique to OpenAI. Marketing is more than half the game for any product.
      - mcmcmc 6mo ago
        How many companies are so desperate that they acquire a podcast network? Not even like start a podcast, they decided to add an entire line of business completely outside their core product.
- hebsu 6mo ago
  Its not magic. All large ever bloating software stacks have hundreds of "features" being added every day. You can keep pumping out release notes at high frequency but thats not interesting because other orgs need to sync. And sync takes its own sweet time.
- bdcravens 6mo ago
bobkb 6mo ago
Using Claude and Codex side by side now . Would love to just use one eventually
- MattDamonSpace 6mo ago
  Competition forever, ideally
- andai 6mo ago
  What's the benefit of using both?
  - nickthegreek 6mo ago
    quota resets/backup when the other is unavailable.
  - bobkb 6mo ago
    Helps with code reviews, plan reviews etc. I have found it very useful to auditing with multiple providers.
lucrbvi 6mo ago
Is there anyone that feels that LLMs are wrong for computer use? It's like robotic, if find LLMs alone are really slow for this task
- sumedh 6mo ago
  > find LLMs alone are really slow for this task Faster LLMs will be here by next year.
jauntywundrkind 6mo ago
Side note: I really wish there was an expectation that TUI apps implemented accessibility APIs. Sure we can read the characters in the screen. But accessibility information is structured usually. TUI apps are going to be far less interesting & capable without accessibility built-in.
enraged_camel 6mo ago
>> for the more than 3 million developers who use it every week It is instructive that they decided to go with weekly active users as a metric, rather than daily active users.
- keeda 6mo ago
  They (and other AI players) have been using WAU over DAU for all their metrics, and many have questioned why. But if you look at other data sources of AI adoption, the reason is clear: Even while 56% of Americans now "regularly" use GenAI on a weekly basis, a much smaller percentage 10 - 14% use it on a daily basis. Here's one source but others had similar numbers: https://www.genaiadoptiontracker.com/ https://www.genaiadoptiontracker.com/ 56% is much more impressive than 14%. This may look bad until you consider that all of them are already desperately strapped for compute. I think the lower DAU is due to a combination of that and people still figuring out how to use AI.
maybeahacker 6mo ago
I don't think this one did it. time to for the real release
tty456 6mo ago
I'm sure it's been said before, but more and more our development work is encroaching on personal compute space. Even for personal projects. A reminder to me to air gap those to spaces with separate hardware [:cringe:]
agentifysh 6mo ago
Sherlocking ramps up into IPO Bunch of startups need to pivot today after this announcement including mine
- throwaway911282 6mo ago
  how? was this not a thing with claude cowork?
- sumedh 6mo ago
  What was your startup?
techteach00 6mo ago
I'm sorry to be slightly off topic but since it's ChatGPT, anyone else find it annoying to read what the bot is thinking while it thinks? For some reason I don't want to see how the sausage is being made.
- sasipi247 6mo ago
  The macOS app version of Codex I have doesn't show reasoning summaries, just simply 'Thinking'. Reasoning deltas add additional traffic, especially if running many subagents etc. So on large scale, those deltas maybe are just dropped somewhere. Saying that, sometimes the GPT reasoning summary is funny to read, in particular when it's working through a large task. Also, the summaries can reveal real issues with logic in prompts and tool descriptions+configuration, so it allowing debugging. i.e. "User asked me to do X, system instructions say do Y, tool says Z which is different to what everyone else wants. I am rather confused here! Lets just assume..." It has previously allowed me to adjust prompts, etc.
- sergiotapia 6mo ago
  I do want to see as it allows me to course correct.
- pilooch 6mo ago
  It's useful when using prism, and for exploratory research & code.
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thm 6mo ago
Am I the only one who sees screen recordings of AI agents as archaic as filming airplane instruments to take measurements?
andai 6mo ago
Confusingly, Codex their agentic programming thing and codex their GUI which only works on Mac and Windows have the same name. I think the latter is technically "Codex For Desktop", which is what this article is referring to.
- jmspring 6mo ago
  It’s marginally better than Microsoft naming things.
  - Centigonal 6mo ago
    You mean you're not excited to use Copilot Chat in the Microsoft 365 Copilot App?? (This is the real, official name for the AI button in Office)
    - jmspring 6mo ago
      Microsoft 365 Copilot For Business? (which isn't real - but yeah, the naming is...)
- quantumHazer 6mo ago
  also, there is multiple models called codex or that have codex as a "suffix" eg. "gpt-5.3-codex"
Xenoamorphous 6mo ago
Couple of people in my company have vibe coded some chat interface and they’re passing skills and MCPs that give the model access to all our internal data (multiple databases) and tools (Jira, Confluence etc). I wonder if there’s something off the shelf that does this?
- throwuxiytayq 6mo ago
  North Korean employees should do the trick. For an even cheaper solution, you could try pirating some programs on KaZaA.
- woeirua 6mo ago
  Claude Desktop / CoWork already does this.
ElijahLynn 6mo ago
Maybe they could use Codex to build a Linux app...
- jesse_dot_id 6mo ago
  Linux users are probably too smart to actually use these kinds of tools right now.
Glemllksdf 6mo ago
Man this progress is fast. Its clear that it will go in this type of direction but Anthropic announced managed agents just a week ago and this again with all the biuld in connections and tools will help so many non computer people to do a lot more faster and better. I'm waiting for the open source ai ecosystem to catch up :/
jampekka 6mo ago
Lots of scepticism here, but I think this may really take off. After 25 years of heavy CLI use, lately I've found myself using codex (in terminal) for terminal tasks I've previously done using CLI commands. If someone manages to make a robust GUI version of this for normies, people will lap it up. People don't want to juggle applications, we want computers to do what we want/need them to do.
- jmathai 6mo ago
  After 25 years of writing code in vim, I've found myself managing a bunch of terminal sessions and trying to spot issues in pull requests. I wouldn't have thought this could be the case and it took me actually embracing it before I was fully sold. Maybe not a popular opinion but I really do believe... - code quality as we previously understood will not be a thing in 3-5 years - IDEs will face a very sharp decline in use
  - flux3125 6mo ago
    Code quality and IDEs aren't going anywhere, especially in complex enterprise systems. AI has improved a lot, but we're still far from a "forget about code" world.
    - menaerus 6mo ago
      I don't think we are. We will not be able to keep the peace with code production velocity and I anticipate that focus will be moved strongly to testing and validation
    - jampekka 6mo ago
      > Code quality and IDEs aren't going anywhere, especially in complex enterprise systems. Was code quality ever there in complex enterprise systems?
      - grey-area 6mo ago
        Yes it was there (not in all of course, but in some), in fact that is where the concept came from - it's necessary when maintaining large systems to keep the code consistent and clear.
fg137 6mo ago
> ... work with more of the tools and apps you use everyday, generate images, remember your preferences ... Why is OpenAI obsessed with generating imgaes? Do they think "generate image" is a thing that a software engineer do on a daily basis? Even when I was doing heavy web development, I can count the number of times I needed to generate images, and usually for prototyping only.
- pilooch 6mo ago
  Slides, publications and tech reports, very handy for figures !
  - fg137 6mo ago
    Most software developers that I know spend only a fraction of time on that, if at all. Generating diagrams is much more common than generating "images". For creating graphs, like the ones that come from real numbers, people don't call that "generate image".
swiftcoder 6mo ago
Well I sure hope there's a toggle to turn those features off, because I don't want to open my entire UI surface to the potential of sandbox escape...
- conradev 6mo ago
  You have to install it to enable it, actually! Computer Use is also confined (read and write!) to apps that you've explicitly allowed.
eduction 6mo ago
"We’re also releasing more than 90 additional plugins" but there is no link, why would you not make this a link. boggles my mind that companies make such little use of hypertext
lionkor 6mo ago
The first example is tic tac toe. Why would anyone bother? None of those eash things are relevant for people who use AI. They don't care about learning, improving, exploring how things work, creating, being creative to that degree. They want to hit buttons and see the computer do things and get a dopamine rush.
- sophacles 6mo ago
  Fuck, i've been using it wrong.
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  - dieortin 6mo ago
    Why are all your comments praising OpenAI and its models or attacking the competition?
    - BrokenCogs 6mo ago
      sam altman realized the molotov cocktail incident was not enough of a story to get sympathy, so now he's just drumming up his bots for good oai PR.
    - throwaway911282 6mo ago
      because Ant is not trustable
woeirua 6mo ago
Just reading the comments here it's amazing how many people seemingly don't know that Claude Desktop and Cowork basically already does all of this. Codex isn't pioneering these features, it's mostly just catching up.
- Rekindle8090 6mo ago
  It's not x, It's y. :^)
- FlamingMoe 6mo ago
  Claude Cowork is unusably slow on my M1 MacBook Pro. I wonder if Codex is any better; a quick search indicates that it is also an electron app
  - zozbot234 6mo ago
    Codex is a rust TUI app, and it's available as open source. It has nothing to do with Electron.
    - gempir 6mo ago
      Codex is both a macOS app and a CLI/TUI app. Their naming is not very clear. The codex desktop app is somewhat of a frontend for the codex cli. By the look and feel of it I would guess it is written with Electron.
    - 16bitvoid 6mo ago
      Codex CLI is a TUI app, but Codex App is an actual desktop GUI app. If you actually look at the TFA, you'll see that all of the videos are of the desktop app.
      - conradev 6mo ago
        Yes! and if you install Computer Use from the Codex App you can also use it from the Codex CLI
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solenoid0937 6mo ago
Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
- someotherperson 6mo ago
  Competition is bad? Who cares - let the big players subsidize and compete between each other. That's what we want. We want strong models at a low price, and we'll hype up whoever is doing it. Simultaneously, we also hype up the open models that are catching up. That are significantly more discounted, that also put pressure on the big players and keep them in check. People aren't falling for PR; people are encouraging the PR to put pressure on the competition. It's not that hard.
  - whymememe 6mo ago
    I agree but I’d like to add that people are definitely falling for PR, people are always falling for PR or no one would bother with PR
  - frank_nitti 6mo ago
    Interesting to see your observation where I have observed the opposite: posts that share big news about open-weight local models have many upvoted comments arguing local models shouldn’t be taken seriously and promoting the SOTA commercial models as the only viable options for serious developers. Here and on AI tech subreddits (ones that aren’t specifically about local or FOSS) seem to have this dynamic, to the degree I’ve suspected astroturfing. So it’s refreshing to see maybe that’s just a coincidence or confirmation bias on my end.
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messh 6mo ago
SSH to devboxes is the exact usecase for services like https://shellbox.dev https://shellbox.dev: create a box using ssh... and ssh into it. Now web, no subs. Codex can create it's own boxes via ssh
graphememes 6mo ago
cursor has been doing this for months, welcome to 3 months ago
CrzyLngPwd 6mo ago
"Our mission is to ensure that AGI benefits all of humanity. " They have AGI now?
- hipshaker 6mo ago
  Yes, Artificial Goofy Intelligence
ex-aws-dude 6mo ago
Can't help but think the surface area for security issues is becoming massive with these tools
aliasxneo 6mo ago
Has anyone figured out how to stop the Codex app from draining my M5 Pro's battery in like 2 hours? I can literally just have it open and my lap turns into a heater. I've tried adjusting all sorts of settings and haven't been able to make a dent. I'm assuming its the garbage renderer.
- wartywhoa23 6mo ago
  I'm on M4 Max so your mileage may vary, but what helps me is not running any backdoors willingly.
- richardvsu 6mo ago
  What do you expect from an app that’s built by not looking at the code?
- JodieBenitez 6mo ago
  Ditched it for this very reason... it used to be fine before. I use Codex CLI now, it doesn't drain the battery. I prefer the desktop app but the CLI is ok.
- andypants 6mo ago
  Depending on what you're working on, codex could be starting long running tasks that are never terminated and keep spinning in the background.
huqedato 6mo ago
"Codex can now operate your computer alongside you" - I really don't want AI to "operate" my computer.
SilverBirch 6mo ago
Just commenting here to impact the controversy score.
saltyoldman 6mo ago
Claude had this, the "app" both of them have (not the terminal stuff) are mirroring each other's features.
moomin 6mo ago
Wait, did they just send out a press release boasting that they’re bundling Jesse Vincent’s Superpowers?!
- obrajesse 6mo ago
  They did! I didn't actually think we were going to make it into one of the launch videos for this. That was a very pleasant surprise. And they've been lovely to work with as we got this put together.
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hk1337 6mo ago
I’ve done a lot with Claude and OpenAI both, A LOT, but I’m still a little wary at letting it have too much access so I haven’t tried this feature in either of them.
rommelsLegacy 6mo ago
I am quite worried that people are continuing to use OpenAIs offerings just because it works. Everyone here seem to gloss over the fact that this is a project funded by Peter Thiel. Thousands of morslity posts, complaints about ICE, Tump etcand yet you all choose to use a tool created and funded by the same person enabling this dictatorial machine. I am speechless everytime I see posts like this and the comments following, vote with your behavior stop supporting and enabling the Peter Thiel universe, just a few weeks ago we had an oped about openAI and Sam, look into yourselfs and really reflect on whom you are enabling by continuing to contribute to their baseline
- yoyohello13 6mo ago
  If you’re expecting morality from the HN crowd they will disappoint you every time. Most of the people here wish they could be as ruthless and successful as someone like Sam Altman.
  - rommelsLegacy 6mo ago
    Thank you for your comment, it's comforting to show I'm not the only one getting offended/disappointed by the behavior of people within our industry. Truly I don't expect morality, and I'm not even making the moral argument to not use it tbh, as I consider morality to be a double edged sword. Yet I wish that at least there's some base sensibility, and some common sense or at least to the very least some self accountability on the actions we take as persons in tech, as they transform and influence the world around us.
overgard 6mo ago
Maybe I lack imagination, but I just can't figure out what I'd use this for. I'm finding AI helpful in writing code (especially verbose Unreal Engine C++ code) as a companion to my designs, but, I really don't want it using my computer. I dunno, I guess the other use case would be summarizing slack or discord but otherwise this seems to me like a solution in search of a problem.
- NothingAboutAny 6mo ago
  I feel the same way, the AI browsers and the Agentic team of agents stuff I just really dont understand why I would want it. I use AI every day but theres always a clear separation, as in I'm using it to get an output I want, not getting it to use things for me. It screws up the output maybe 30% of the time, so why would I risk it actually being able to do things and touch stuff I care about.
- frde_me 6mo ago
  Going on an old legacy website, downloading reports, summarizing them, and then doing things based on those Or basically any app without MCP capabilities I ask the AI daily to summarize information across surfaces, and it's painful when I have to go screenshot things myself in a bunch of places because those apps were not made to extract information out of them, and are complete black boxes with a UI on top
  - overgard 6mo ago
    Feels like a lot of summarizing, which is just something I rarely need. YMMV depending on your job of course.
plastic041 6mo ago
Prompt in the second video: "Reduce the font and tagline length" Now we are using LLM just to adjust font size? Also third video: "Generate an image for the hero section..." I can't understand why OpenAI(or Google, or whatever AI companies) thinks it's okay to put an AI generated image for product description. It's literally fake.
- MattRix 6mo ago
  From what I’ve seen, once people start using these, they will do the font size thing. Then all your changes go through the same interface.
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solarkraft 6mo ago
Which Codex is this? The open source one that can be built upon or the proprietary desktop app? It looks like the latter.
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dhruv3006 6mo ago
I love computer use man
throw_m239339 6mo ago
All of you are ironically completely oblivious to the fact that you're training your own replacement by using these tools, you're even paying for it. Eventually, the companies you work for will just "hire" Anthropic or OpenAI agents in your place and you'll be out of job, no matter your seniority. Mark my words.
- vanillameow 6mo ago
  I mean, sentiment in this thread (and the neighboring Opus 4.7 one) are overwhelmingly negative this time around. That comment prob would have made more sense around 4.5/4.6. That said, until models produce verifiably correct work (which is a difficult, if not impossible, bar to clear), I sorta doubt it. Not because humans intrinsically produce better or smarter work (arguably, many humans across many domains already don't vs current models), but because office politics and pushing blame around are a delicate game in corporations. It's one thing for a product lead to make wild promises and then shift blame to the black box developer team (and vice versa shift blame to the customers when talking to the devs) but once you are the only dude operating the slot machine product generator 5000 the dynamic will noticeably shift, and someone will want someone to be responsible if another DB admin key leaks in production. This sorta diffuses itself when you have 3 layers of organization below you, but again, doesn't really work with a black box code generator.
  - bibabaloo 6mo ago
    > doesn't really work with a black box code generator. Sure it does, just blame the vendor. "Nobody ever got fired for picking IBM/OpenAI/whatever AI incumbent"
- hashmal 6mo ago
  software development has always been about replacing jobs. if we now do it to ourselves and not just other people, maybe there's finally some kind of fairness in the game.
- moojacob 6mo ago
  Do you think the labs are violating their no data collection agreements for enterprises?
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gchamonlive 6mo ago
Started using https://github.com/can1357/oh-my-pi https://github.com/can1357/oh-my-pi this week and it makes every other tui coding assistant look like toy projects. It's has a nice UI yes, but the workflows it comes up with are incredible. They need to do a major overhaul in customisability for codex to come close to it.
ymolodtsov 6mo ago
Tried it out. It's a far more reasonable UI than Claude Desktop at this moment. Anthropic has to catch up and finally properly merge the three tabs they have. The killer feature of any of these assistants, if you're a manager, is asking to review your email, Slack, Notion, etc several times a day to highlight the items where you need to engage right away. Of course, if your company allows the connectors to do so. Codex is pretty seamless right now and even after they cut on their 5-hr limits their $20 plan is still a little bit more generous. I'd still say that Claude models are superior and just offer good opinionated defaults.
vinhnx 6mo ago
A simple mental model for Claude's new adaptive thinking is that it is the recommended way to use extended thinking. Adaptive Thinking (wraps Extended Thinking). It applies to Opus 4.7, 4.6, and Sonnet 4.6 and is the default mode on Claude Mythos Preview.
TheServitor 6mo ago
Mac only? Meh.
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shevy-java 6mo ago
> Codex can now operate your computer alongside you I am getting some strange vibes here ... is AI actually also spying on these developers?
ookblah 6mo ago
pretty much you have to build for humans as the "source" of truth and then have a robust agentic surface if you want to survive as a company. after using linear (for ex.) u can really see how it all fits together, i can be in cli, co-workers in slack, cowork, whatever and update tasks from anywhere). i refuse to use shit where i have to context switch by going into an app now. posthog is another good example of where it's going. the dirty detail now is that you HAVE to have the actual app so you can still manually look at data and do operations.
LukaD 6mo ago
More like codex for nothing. I canceled my 20$ plan and won't let myself be bullied into buying more expensive plans to have the same limits I used to have a week ago on the 20$ plan. I would not be surprised if this illegal where I live.
Oarch 6mo ago
"You've hit the message limit, upgrade to Plus for more". Ok. I upgrade. "You've hit the message limit, upgrade to Plus for more". Hmm. They've charged me. There's no meaningful support. I just got scammed, didn't I...
- MattRix 6mo ago
  Log out and log in again? That usually fixes these kind of issues for me.
epitrochoid413 6mo ago
Lets see how OpenAI holds up. They prolly shitify or dumb down their models like Anthropic to finally turn their massive loss streak into a profit.
xpe 6mo ago
Please don't forget that OpenAI's leadership has shown the world what it is really made of.
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frde_me 6mo ago
I enabled the computer use plugin yesterday. Today I asked it to summarize a slack thread, along with a spreadsheet without thinking about it I was expecting it to use MCPs I have for them, but they happened to not be authenticated for some reason I got _really_ freaked out when a glowing cursor popped up while I was doing something else and started looking at slack and then navigating on chrome to the sheet to get the data it needs Like on one hand it's really cool that it just "did the thing" but I was also freaked out during the experience
haritha-j 6mo ago
Interesting that its restricted to macOS. I know programmers almost exclusively use macOS, but regular folk primarily use windows for work. I might be a bit biased as an engineer, but even outside of my circle, I mostly see windows being used. If they're serious about extending from coders to non technical business users, I would imagine they need to support windows.
s1mon 6mo ago
I've been using the Codex app for a while (a few months) for a few types of coding projects, and then slowly using it for random organizational/productivity things with local folders on my Mac. Most of that has been successful and very satisfying, however... Codex is still far from ready for regular people. Simply moving a folder that Codex has been working on confuses the hell out of it. I can't figure out how to fix "Current working directory missing. This chat's working directory no longer exists". I've tried asking it to fix the problem and it tries lots of terminal commands and screws around with SQLite. Something this brittle is not for non-developers.
- cadamsdotcom 6mo ago
  Maybe like, don’t do that? Moving the folder you’re in out from under yourself is okay if you know you did it - but if you don’t, you’re gonna get confused :) And so is an agent!
  - s1mon 6mo ago
    I'm very used to tools which keep track of connections to documents based on internal IDs, not folder structure. It seems primitive to be so brittle. It seems even more stupid that it was so hard to get Codex to fix this for me. I managed to get it to solve the problem, but not before it got itself in this crazy loop of restarting the app, wanting to quit, quitting even if I canceled the quit dialog, and restarting over and over. I was able to reboot my machine and it had sorted out the missing references to most of the projects, but wow.
sharts 6mo ago
Can we get up from our desk and leave our codex session (or claude for that matter) and then continue using it with our iphone while having lunch or commuting on a train? Without 3rd party tools/plugins.
darepublic 6mo ago
> Our mission is to ensure that AGI benefits all of humanity. In order to do this we will eat everyone's lunch.
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hyperionultra 6mo ago

Tool for everything does nothing really good.

kelsey98765431 6mo ago

it it doesn't complain about everything being malware maybe i will come back to openai from my adventures with anthropic

croemer 6mo ago

What does "major update to codex" mean? New model? Or just new desktop app? The announcement is vague.

sidgtm 6mo ago

They felt the pressure of posting something after Claude 4.7

wahnfrieden 6mo ago
It was already leaked several days ago and they've been teasing it for weeks. They had already said that it was coming this week specifically.
- romanovcode 6mo ago
  Obviously they pressed the "publish" button since Opus was released. Do not deny it.
  - throwaway911282 6mo ago
    ant is known to release stuff before oai. oai is consistent on 10am launches
  - pinkmuffinere 6mo ago
    lol I'll deny that your claimed truth is obvious. Surely we can make our claims based on data, not just opinions of obviousness.

bughunter3000 6mo ago

First use case I'm putting to work is testing web apps as a user. Although it seems like this could be a token burner. Saving and mostly replaying might be nice to have.

uberduper 6mo ago

Do people really want codex to have control over their computer and apps? I'm still paranoid about keeping things securely sandboxed.

krzyk 6mo ago
There are people running OpenClaw, so yeah, crazy as it sounds, some do that. I'm reluctant to run any model without at least a docker.
- storus 6mo ago
  I run them all on an old Pentium J (Atom) NUC with 8GB RAM, so I don't even care. Some Chinese N100 mini PC for $100 is all one needs.
  - krzyk 6mo ago
    Using local models or external? If external, aren't they pricey? How much tokens they generate? If local, what runs on such hardware that gives reasonable results?
    - storus 6mo ago
      Local models on different machines with multiple RTX Pro 6000 or multiple DGX Sparks or a 512GB RAM Macstudio; the agents themselves run on that Pentium J NUC and just use exposed endpoints for local models. Forgejo for Git runs on another server. Therefore I don't really care if that NUC goes kaboom and can test everything quickly (OpenClaw, Hermes, Claude Code, Codex, OpenCode, Pi etc.). Or I can just use OpenRouter API key and access 10-100x cheaper models than Opus.
entropicdrifter 6mo ago
Programmers mostly don't. Ordinary people see figuring out how to use the computer as a hindrance rather than empowering, they want Star Trek. They want "computer, plan my next vacation to XYZ for me" to lay out a full itinerary and offer to buy the tickets and make the reservations. Knowledge work is work most people don't really want to deal with. Ordinary people don't put much value into ideas regardless of their level of refinement

daviding 6mo ago

There seems a fair enthusiasm in the UI of these to hide code from coders. Like the prompt interaction is the true source and the actual code is some sort of annoying intermediate runtime inconvenience to cover up. I get that productivity can be improved with a lot of this for non developers, just not sure using 'code' as the term is the right one or not.

avaer 6mo ago
Hot take: we (not I, but I reluctantly) will keep calling it code long after there's no code to be seen. Like we did with phones that nobody phones with.
- jorl17 6mo ago
  Very much agree. Everyday people can now do much more than they could, because they can build programs. The idea that code is something sacred and only devs can somehow do it is dying, and I personally love it, as I am watching it enable so many of my friends and family who have no idea how to code. Today, when we think of someone "using the computer" we gravitate towards people using apps, installing them, writing documents, playing games. But very rarely have we thought of it as "coding" or "making the computer do new things" -- that's been reserved, again, for coders. Yet, I think that a future is fast approaching where using the computer will also include simply coding by having an agent code something for you. While there will certainly still be apps/programs that everyone uses, everyone will also have their own set of custom-built programs, often even without knowing it, because agents will build them, almost unprompted. To use a computer will include _building_ programs on the computer, without ever knowing how to code or even knowing that the code is there. There will of course still be room for coders, those who understand what's happening below. And of course that software engineers should know how to code (less and less as time goes on, though, probably), but no doubt to me that human-computer interaction will now include this level of sophistication. We are living in the future and I LOVE IT!
  - William_BB 6mo ago
    > The idea that code is something sacred and only devs can somehow do it is dying, and I personally love it, as I am watching it enable so many of my friends and family who have no idea how to code. People on HN are seriously delusional. AI removed the need to know the syntax. Your grandma does not know JS but can one shot a React app. Great! Software engineering is not and has never been about the syntax or one shotting apps. Software engineering is about managing complexity at a level that a layman could not. Your ideal word requires an AI that's capable of reasoning at 100k-1 million lines of code and not make ANY mistakes. All edge cases covered or clarified. If (when) that truly happens, software engineering will not be the first profession to go.

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tvmalsv 6mo ago

My monthly subscription for Claude is up in a week, is there any compelling reason to switch to Codex (for coding/bug fixing of low/medium difficulty apps)? Or is it pretty much a wash at this point?

Austin_Conlon 6mo ago
I'm switching because of the higher usage limits, 2x speed mode that isn't billed as extra usage, and much more stable and polished Mac app.
- gbear605 6mo ago
  > 2x speed mode that isn't billed as extra usage ...at least for my account, the speed mode is 1.5x the speed at 2x the usage
  - Austin_Conlon 6mo ago
    Whoops yes I meant 1.5x speed!
dilap 6mo ago
FWIW, I've found Codex with GPT-5.4 to be better than Opus-4.6; I would say it's at least worth checking out for your use case.
trueno 6mo ago
at least for our scope of work (data, interfacing with data, building things to extract data quickly and dump to warehouse, resuming) claude is performing night and day better than codex. we're still continuing tinkering with codex here to see if we're happy with it but it's taking a lot more human-in-the-loop to keep it from going down the wrong path and we're finding that we're constantly prompt-nudging it to the end result. for the most part after ~3 days we're not super happy with it. kinda feels like claude did last year idk. it's worth checking out and seeing if it's succeeding at the stuff you want it to do.
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cjbarber 6mo ago

My current expectation is that the Cowork/Codex set of "professional agents" for non-technical users will be one of the most important and fastest growing product categories of all time, so far. i.e. agents for knowledge workers who are not software engineers A few thoughts and questions: 1. I expect that this set of products will be extremely disruptive to many software businesses. It's like when a new VP joins a company, they often rip and replace some of the software vendors with their personal favorites. Well, most software was designed for human users. Now, peoples' agents will use software for them. Agents have different needs for software than humans do. Some they'll need more of, much they'll no longer need at all. What will this result in? It feels like a much swifter and more significant version of Google taking excerpts/summaries from webpages and putting it at the top of search results and taking away visits and ad revenue from sites. 2. I've tried dozens of products in this space. For most, onboarding is confusing, then the user gets dropped into a blank space, usage limits are uncompetitive compared to the subsidized tokens offered by OpenAI/Anthropic, etc. It's a tough space to compete in, but also clearly going to be a massive market. I'm expecting big investment from Microsoft, Google etc in this segment. 3. How will startups in this space compete against labs who can train models to fit their products? 4. Eventually will the UI/interface be generated/personalized for the user, by the model? Presumably. Harnesses get eaten by model-generated harnesses? A few more thoughts collected here: https://chrisbarber.co/professional-agents/ https://chrisbarber.co/professional-agents/ Products I've tried: ai browsers like dia, comet, claude for chrome, atlas, and dex; claw products like openclaw, kimi claw, klaus, viktor, duet, atris; automation things like tasklet and lindy; code agents like devin, claude code, cursor, codex; desktop automation tools like vercept, nox, liminary, logical, and raycast; and email products like shortwave, cora and jace. And of course, Claude Cowork, Codex cli and app, and Claude Code cli and app. Edit: Notes on trying the new Codex update 1. The permissions workflow is very slick 2. Background browser testing is nice and the shadow cursor is an interesting UI element. It did do some things in the foreground for me / take control of focus, a few times, though. 3. It would be nice if the apps had quick ways to demo their new features. My workflow was to ask an LLM to read the update page and ask it what new things I could test, and then to take those things and ask Codex to demo them to me, but it doesn't quite understand it's own new features well enough to invoke them (without quite a bit of steering) 4. I cannot get it to show me the in app browser 5. Generating image mockups of websites and then building them is nice

armcat 6mo ago

Is it OpenAI Cowork?

thomas34298 6mo ago

Does that version of Codex still read sensitive data on your file system without even asking? Just curious. https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/2847 https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/2847

trueno 6mo ago
ran into this literally yesterday. so im gonna assume yes.
ethan_smith 6mo ago
This is a pretty important issue given that the new update adds "computer use" capabilities. If it was already reading sensitive files in the CLI version, giving it full desktop control seems like it needs a much more robust permission model than what they've shown so far.
andai 6mo ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_stole_my_api_keys/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_... tldr Claude pwned user then berated users poor security. (Bonus: the automod, who is also Claude, rubbed salt on the wound!) I think the only sensible way to run this stuff is on a separate machine which does not have sensitive things on it.
- baq 6mo ago
  'it's your fault you asked for the most efficient paperclip factory, Dave'
p_stuart82 6mo ago
the awkward part isn't just about reading sensitive files. search, listings, direct reads, browser and computer use all sit behind different boundaries. hard to tell what any given approval actually buys or exposes.

tommy_axle 6mo ago

OpenClaw acquisition at work.

falcor84 6mo ago
Any particular evidence for this other than the conjecture that it might be related? To me it seems like just a natural evolution of Codex and a direct response to Claude Cowork, rather than something fully claw-like.
saagarjha 6mo ago
Wrong acquisition.

VadimPR 6mo ago

Only on macOS though? This doesn't seem to work on Linux. Neither does Claude Cowork, not officially.

rvz 6mo ago
This is why both companies are in an SF bubble.
- mrcwinn 6mo ago
  Linux desktop users. Talk about a bubble!
  - cmrdporcupine 6mo ago
    There's this thing called Windows. I don't like it, and I'm sure you don't either, but it's not a Mac. Or a Linux. And it's what most actual desktop users are stuck with, still.
duckmysick 6mo ago
I don't see how it's possible to support Linux with Wayland, unless you limit the automation only to the browsers.
- VadimPR 6mo ago
  https://github.com/patrickjaja/claude-desktop-bin https://github.com/patrickjaja/claude-desktop-bin seems to be trying hard to but I haven't tried it.

OsrsNeedsf2P 6mo ago

> Computer use is initially available on macOS, Does anyone know of a good option that works on Wayland Linux?

evbogue 6mo ago
Codex-cli / OpenClaw. If you need a browser use Playwright-mcp. I can't see why I'd want an agent to click around Gnome or Ubuntu desktop but maybe that's just me?
- 2001zhaozhao 6mo ago
  I think the killer feature in this release is the background GUI use. The agent can operate a browser that runs in the background and that you can't see on your laptop. This would be immensely useful when working with multiple worktrees. You can prompt the agent to comprehensively QA test features after implementing them.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 6mo ago
  > I can't see why I'd want an agent to click around Gnome or Ubuntu desktop but maybe that's just me? What if you want to develop desktop apps?
rickcarlino 6mo ago
Goose is an option, but it is just OK. https://github.com/aaif-goose/goose https://github.com/aaif-goose/goose

mrtksn 6mo ago

Codex is my favorite UX for anything as it edits the files and I can use the proper tooling to adjust and test stuff, so in my experience it was already able to do everything. However lately the limits seem to have got extremely tight, I keep spending out the daily limits way too quickly. The weekly limits are also often spent out early so I switch to Claude or Gemini or something.

ttanveer 6mo ago
I imagine the generous limit we felt were just from the 2x codex was offerring. I also felt the regression, and only recently remembered they had this.
- mrtksn 6mo ago
  I'm aware of the 2x limits but IIRC that was supposed to be until 9th of April or something like that and I wasn't hitting the limits especially the weekly one. Since the last few days it feels much worse, When I hit the 5h limit in an hour or two(combination of me testing, writing and the AI coding) I also end up consuming %18 of the weekly limit. So I have like 11h a week of work window. Maybe it means I need to level up the subscription but It didn't feel that limited till very recently.

postalcoder 6mo ago

I wish Codex App was open source. I like it, but there are always a bunch of little paper cuts that, if you were using codex cli, you could have easily diagnosed and filed an issue. Now, the issues in the codex repo is slowly becoming claude codish – ie a drawer for people's feelings with nothing concrete to point to.

avaer 6mo ago
That would allow Anthropic or anyone else to sit back and relax while the agent clones the features.
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hmokiguess 6mo ago

I can't help but see some things as a solution in search of a problem every time I see these examples illustrating toy projects. Cloud Tic Tac Toe? Seriously?

incognito124 6mo ago

<tin foil hat> I swear OpenAI has 2-3 unannounced releases ready to go at any time just so they can steal some thunder from their competitors when they announce something </tin foil hat>

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avaer 6mo ago
They did acquire TBPN, this barely needs tin foil. Credit to them for being media savvy.
- mcmcmc 6mo ago
  Is that a credit, or is it evidence that they know their product isn’t good enough to stand on its own?
  - Insanity 6mo ago
    This is nothing surprising and not unique to OpenAI. Marketing is more than half the game for any product.
    - mcmcmc 6mo ago
      How many companies are so desperate that they acquire a podcast network? Not even like start a podcast, they decided to add an entire line of business completely outside their core product.
hebsu 6mo ago
Its not magic. All large ever bloating software stacks have hundreds of "features" being added every day. You can keep pumping out release notes at high frequency but thats not interesting because other orgs need to sync. And sync takes its own sweet time.
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bobkb 6mo ago

Using Claude and Codex side by side now . Would love to just use one eventually

MattDamonSpace 6mo ago
Competition forever, ideally
andai 6mo ago
What's the benefit of using both?
- nickthegreek 6mo ago
  quota resets/backup when the other is unavailable.
- bobkb 6mo ago
  Helps with code reviews, plan reviews etc. I have found it very useful to auditing with multiple providers.

lucrbvi 6mo ago

Is there anyone that feels that LLMs are wrong for computer use? It's like robotic, if find LLMs alone are really slow for this task

sumedh 6mo ago
> find LLMs alone are really slow for this task Faster LLMs will be here by next year.

jauntywundrkind 6mo ago

Side note: I really wish there was an expectation that TUI apps implemented accessibility APIs. Sure we can read the characters in the screen. But accessibility information is structured usually. TUI apps are going to be far less interesting & capable without accessibility built-in.

enraged_camel 6mo ago

>> for the more than 3 million developers who use it every week It is instructive that they decided to go with weekly active users as a metric, rather than daily active users.

keeda 6mo ago
They (and other AI players) have been using WAU over DAU for all their metrics, and many have questioned why. But if you look at other data sources of AI adoption, the reason is clear: Even while 56% of Americans now "regularly" use GenAI on a weekly basis, a much smaller percentage 10 - 14% use it on a daily basis. Here's one source but others had similar numbers: https://www.genaiadoptiontracker.com/ https://www.genaiadoptiontracker.com/ 56% is much more impressive than 14%. This may look bad until you consider that all of them are already desperately strapped for compute. I think the lower DAU is due to a combination of that and people still figuring out how to use AI.

maybeahacker 6mo ago

I don't think this one did it. time to for the real release

tty456 6mo ago

I'm sure it's been said before, but more and more our development work is encroaching on personal compute space. Even for personal projects. A reminder to me to air gap those to spaces with separate hardware [:cringe:]

agentifysh 6mo ago

Sherlocking ramps up into IPO Bunch of startups need to pivot today after this announcement including mine

throwaway911282 6mo ago
how? was this not a thing with claude cowork?
sumedh 6mo ago
What was your startup?

techteach00 6mo ago

I'm sorry to be slightly off topic but since it's ChatGPT, anyone else find it annoying to read what the bot is thinking while it thinks? For some reason I don't want to see how the sausage is being made.

sasipi247 6mo ago
The macOS app version of Codex I have doesn't show reasoning summaries, just simply 'Thinking'. Reasoning deltas add additional traffic, especially if running many subagents etc. So on large scale, those deltas maybe are just dropped somewhere. Saying that, sometimes the GPT reasoning summary is funny to read, in particular when it's working through a large task. Also, the summaries can reveal real issues with logic in prompts and tool descriptions+configuration, so it allowing debugging. i.e. "User asked me to do X, system instructions say do Y, tool says Z which is different to what everyone else wants. I am rather confused here! Lets just assume..." It has previously allowed me to adjust prompts, etc.
sergiotapia 6mo ago
I do want to see as it allows me to course correct.
pilooch 6mo ago
It's useful when using prism, and for exploratory research & code.

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thm 6mo ago

Am I the only one who sees screen recordings of AI agents as archaic as filming airplane instruments to take measurements?

andai 6mo ago

Confusingly, Codex their agentic programming thing and codex their GUI which only works on Mac and Windows have the same name. I think the latter is technically "Codex For Desktop", which is what this article is referring to.

jmspring 6mo ago
It’s marginally better than Microsoft naming things.
- Centigonal 6mo ago
  You mean you're not excited to use Copilot Chat in the Microsoft 365 Copilot App?? (This is the real, official name for the AI button in Office)
  - jmspring 6mo ago
    Microsoft 365 Copilot For Business? (which isn't real - but yeah, the naming is...)
quantumHazer 6mo ago
also, there is multiple models called codex or that have codex as a "suffix" eg. "gpt-5.3-codex"

Xenoamorphous 6mo ago

Couple of people in my company have vibe coded some chat interface and they’re passing skills and MCPs that give the model access to all our internal data (multiple databases) and tools (Jira, Confluence etc). I wonder if there’s something off the shelf that does this?

throwuxiytayq 6mo ago
North Korean employees should do the trick. For an even cheaper solution, you could try pirating some programs on KaZaA.
woeirua 6mo ago
Claude Desktop / CoWork already does this.

ElijahLynn 6mo ago

Maybe they could use Codex to build a Linux app...

jesse_dot_id 6mo ago
Linux users are probably too smart to actually use these kinds of tools right now.

Glemllksdf 6mo ago

Man this progress is fast. Its clear that it will go in this type of direction but Anthropic announced managed agents just a week ago and this again with all the biuld in connections and tools will help so many non computer people to do a lot more faster and better. I'm waiting for the open source ai ecosystem to catch up :/

jampekka 6mo ago

Lots of scepticism here, but I think this may really take off. After 25 years of heavy CLI use, lately I've found myself using codex (in terminal) for terminal tasks I've previously done using CLI commands. If someone manages to make a robust GUI version of this for normies, people will lap it up. People don't want to juggle applications, we want computers to do what we want/need them to do.

jmathai 6mo ago
After 25 years of writing code in vim, I've found myself managing a bunch of terminal sessions and trying to spot issues in pull requests. I wouldn't have thought this could be the case and it took me actually embracing it before I was fully sold. Maybe not a popular opinion but I really do believe... - code quality as we previously understood will not be a thing in 3-5 years - IDEs will face a very sharp decline in use
- flux3125 6mo ago
  Code quality and IDEs aren't going anywhere, especially in complex enterprise systems. AI has improved a lot, but we're still far from a "forget about code" world.
  - menaerus 6mo ago
    I don't think we are. We will not be able to keep the peace with code production velocity and I anticipate that focus will be moved strongly to testing and validation
  - jampekka 6mo ago
    > Code quality and IDEs aren't going anywhere, especially in complex enterprise systems. Was code quality ever there in complex enterprise systems?
    - grey-area 6mo ago
      Yes it was there (not in all of course, but in some), in fact that is where the concept came from - it's necessary when maintaining large systems to keep the code consistent and clear.

fg137 6mo ago

> ... work with more of the tools and apps you use everyday, generate images, remember your preferences ... Why is OpenAI obsessed with generating imgaes? Do they think "generate image" is a thing that a software engineer do on a daily basis? Even when I was doing heavy web development, I can count the number of times I needed to generate images, and usually for prototyping only.

pilooch 6mo ago
Slides, publications and tech reports, very handy for figures !
- fg137 6mo ago
  Most software developers that I know spend only a fraction of time on that, if at all. Generating diagrams is much more common than generating "images". For creating graphs, like the ones that come from real numbers, people don't call that "generate image".

swiftcoder 6mo ago

Well I sure hope there's a toggle to turn those features off, because I don't want to open my entire UI surface to the potential of sandbox escape...

conradev 6mo ago
You have to install it to enable it, actually! Computer Use is also confined (read and write!) to apps that you've explicitly allowed.

eduction 6mo ago

"We’re also releasing more than 90 additional plugins" but there is no link, why would you not make this a link. boggles my mind that companies make such little use of hypertext

lionkor 6mo ago

The first example is tic tac toe. Why would anyone bother? None of those eash things are relevant for people who use AI. They don't care about learning, improving, exploring how things work, creating, being creative to that degree. They want to hit buttons and see the computer do things and get a dopamine rush.

sophacles 6mo ago
Fuck, i've been using it wrong.
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- dieortin 6mo ago
  Why are all your comments praising OpenAI and its models or attacking the competition?
  - BrokenCogs 6mo ago
    sam altman realized the molotov cocktail incident was not enough of a story to get sympathy, so now he's just drumming up his bots for good oai PR.
  - throwaway911282 6mo ago
    because Ant is not trustable

woeirua 6mo ago

Just reading the comments here it's amazing how many people seemingly don't know that Claude Desktop and Cowork basically already does all of this. Codex isn't pioneering these features, it's mostly just catching up.

Rekindle8090 6mo ago
It's not x, It's y. :^)
FlamingMoe 6mo ago
Claude Cowork is unusably slow on my M1 MacBook Pro. I wonder if Codex is any better; a quick search indicates that it is also an electron app
- zozbot234 6mo ago
  Codex is a rust TUI app, and it's available as open source. It has nothing to do with Electron.
  - gempir 6mo ago
    Codex is both a macOS app and a CLI/TUI app. Their naming is not very clear. The codex desktop app is somewhat of a frontend for the codex cli. By the look and feel of it I would guess it is written with Electron.
  - 16bitvoid 6mo ago
    Codex CLI is a TUI app, but Codex App is an actual desktop GUI app. If you actually look at the TFA, you'll see that all of the videos are of the desktop app.
    - conradev 6mo ago
      Yes! and if you install Computer Use from the Codex App you can also use it from the Codex CLI
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solenoid0937 6mo ago

Codex is HN's darling now because Anthropic lowered rate limits for individuals due to compute constraints. OAI has so few enterprise users they can afford to subsidize compute for this group a lot more than Anthropic. Eventually once they have more users they'll do the same thing as Anthropic, of course. It's all a transparent PR play and it's kind of absurd to see the X/HN crowd fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

someotherperson 6mo ago
Competition is bad? Who cares - let the big players subsidize and compete between each other. That's what we want. We want strong models at a low price, and we'll hype up whoever is doing it. Simultaneously, we also hype up the open models that are catching up. That are significantly more discounted, that also put pressure on the big players and keep them in check. People aren't falling for PR; people are encouraging the PR to put pressure on the competition. It's not that hard.
- whymememe 6mo ago
  I agree but I’d like to add that people are definitely falling for PR, people are always falling for PR or no one would bother with PR
- frank_nitti 6mo ago
  Interesting to see your observation where I have observed the opposite: posts that share big news about open-weight local models have many upvoted comments arguing local models shouldn’t be taken seriously and promoting the SOTA commercial models as the only viable options for serious developers. Here and on AI tech subreddits (ones that aren’t specifically about local or FOSS) seem to have this dynamic, to the degree I’ve suspected astroturfing. So it’s refreshing to see maybe that’s just a coincidence or confirmation bias on my end.
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messh 6mo ago

SSH to devboxes is the exact usecase for services like https://shellbox.dev https://shellbox.dev: create a box using ssh... and ssh into it. Now web, no subs. Codex can create it's own boxes via ssh

graphememes 6mo ago

cursor has been doing this for months, welcome to 3 months ago

CrzyLngPwd 6mo ago

"Our mission is to ensure that AGI benefits all of humanity. " They have AGI now?

hipshaker 6mo ago
Yes, Artificial Goofy Intelligence

ex-aws-dude 6mo ago

Can't help but think the surface area for security issues is becoming massive with these tools

aliasxneo 6mo ago

Has anyone figured out how to stop the Codex app from draining my M5 Pro's battery in like 2 hours? I can literally just have it open and my lap turns into a heater. I've tried adjusting all sorts of settings and haven't been able to make a dent. I'm assuming its the garbage renderer.

wartywhoa23 6mo ago
I'm on M4 Max so your mileage may vary, but what helps me is not running any backdoors willingly.
richardvsu 6mo ago
What do you expect from an app that’s built by not looking at the code?
JodieBenitez 6mo ago
Ditched it for this very reason... it used to be fine before. I use Codex CLI now, it doesn't drain the battery. I prefer the desktop app but the CLI is ok.
andypants 6mo ago
Depending on what you're working on, codex could be starting long running tasks that are never terminated and keep spinning in the background.

huqedato 6mo ago

"Codex can now operate your computer alongside you" - I really don't want AI to "operate" my computer.

SilverBirch 6mo ago

Just commenting here to impact the controversy score.

saltyoldman 6mo ago

Claude had this, the "app" both of them have (not the terminal stuff) are mirroring each other's features.

moomin 6mo ago

Wait, did they just send out a press release boasting that they’re bundling Jesse Vincent’s Superpowers?!

obrajesse 6mo ago
They did! I didn't actually think we were going to make it into one of the launch videos for this. That was a very pleasant surprise. And they've been lovely to work with as we got this put together.

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hk1337 6mo ago

I’ve done a lot with Claude and OpenAI both, A LOT, but I’m still a little wary at letting it have too much access so I haven’t tried this feature in either of them.

rommelsLegacy 6mo ago

I am quite worried that people are continuing to use OpenAIs offerings just because it works. Everyone here seem to gloss over the fact that this is a project funded by Peter Thiel. Thousands of morslity posts, complaints about ICE, Tump etcand yet you all choose to use a tool created and funded by the same person enabling this dictatorial machine. I am speechless everytime I see posts like this and the comments following, vote with your behavior stop supporting and enabling the Peter Thiel universe, just a few weeks ago we had an oped about openAI and Sam, look into yourselfs and really reflect on whom you are enabling by continuing to contribute to their baseline

yoyohello13 6mo ago
If you’re expecting morality from the HN crowd they will disappoint you every time. Most of the people here wish they could be as ruthless and successful as someone like Sam Altman.
- rommelsLegacy 6mo ago
  Thank you for your comment, it's comforting to show I'm not the only one getting offended/disappointed by the behavior of people within our industry. Truly I don't expect morality, and I'm not even making the moral argument to not use it tbh, as I consider morality to be a double edged sword. Yet I wish that at least there's some base sensibility, and some common sense or at least to the very least some self accountability on the actions we take as persons in tech, as they transform and influence the world around us.

overgard 6mo ago

Maybe I lack imagination, but I just can't figure out what I'd use this for. I'm finding AI helpful in writing code (especially verbose Unreal Engine C++ code) as a companion to my designs, but, I really don't want it using my computer. I dunno, I guess the other use case would be summarizing slack or discord but otherwise this seems to me like a solution in search of a problem.

NothingAboutAny 6mo ago
I feel the same way, the AI browsers and the Agentic team of agents stuff I just really dont understand why I would want it. I use AI every day but theres always a clear separation, as in I'm using it to get an output I want, not getting it to use things for me. It screws up the output maybe 30% of the time, so why would I risk it actually being able to do things and touch stuff I care about.
frde_me 6mo ago
Going on an old legacy website, downloading reports, summarizing them, and then doing things based on those Or basically any app without MCP capabilities I ask the AI daily to summarize information across surfaces, and it's painful when I have to go screenshot things myself in a bunch of places because those apps were not made to extract information out of them, and are complete black boxes with a UI on top
- overgard 6mo ago
  Feels like a lot of summarizing, which is just something I rarely need. YMMV depending on your job of course.

plastic041 6mo ago

Prompt in the second video: "Reduce the font and tagline length" Now we are using LLM just to adjust font size? Also third video: "Generate an image for the hero section..." I can't understand why OpenAI(or Google, or whatever AI companies) thinks it's okay to put an AI generated image for product description. It's literally fake.

MattRix 6mo ago
From what I’ve seen, once people start using these, they will do the font size thing. Then all your changes go through the same interface.

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solarkraft 6mo ago

Which Codex is this? The open source one that can be built upon or the proprietary desktop app? It looks like the latter.

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dhruv3006 6mo ago

I love computer use man

throw_m239339 6mo ago

All of you are ironically completely oblivious to the fact that you're training your own replacement by using these tools, you're even paying for it. Eventually, the companies you work for will just "hire" Anthropic or OpenAI agents in your place and you'll be out of job, no matter your seniority. Mark my words.

vanillameow 6mo ago
I mean, sentiment in this thread (and the neighboring Opus 4.7 one) are overwhelmingly negative this time around. That comment prob would have made more sense around 4.5/4.6. That said, until models produce verifiably correct work (which is a difficult, if not impossible, bar to clear), I sorta doubt it. Not because humans intrinsically produce better or smarter work (arguably, many humans across many domains already don't vs current models), but because office politics and pushing blame around are a delicate game in corporations. It's one thing for a product lead to make wild promises and then shift blame to the black box developer team (and vice versa shift blame to the customers when talking to the devs) but once you are the only dude operating the slot machine product generator 5000 the dynamic will noticeably shift, and someone will want someone to be responsible if another DB admin key leaks in production. This sorta diffuses itself when you have 3 layers of organization below you, but again, doesn't really work with a black box code generator.
- bibabaloo 6mo ago
  > doesn't really work with a black box code generator. Sure it does, just blame the vendor. "Nobody ever got fired for picking IBM/OpenAI/whatever AI incumbent"
hashmal 6mo ago
software development has always been about replacing jobs. if we now do it to ourselves and not just other people, maybe there's finally some kind of fairness in the game.
moojacob 6mo ago
Do you think the labs are violating their no data collection agreements for enterprises?

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gchamonlive 6mo ago

Started using https://github.com/can1357/oh-my-pi https://github.com/can1357/oh-my-pi this week and it makes every other tui coding assistant look like toy projects. It's has a nice UI yes, but the workflows it comes up with are incredible. They need to do a major overhaul in customisability for codex to come close to it.

ymolodtsov 6mo ago

Tried it out. It's a far more reasonable UI than Claude Desktop at this moment. Anthropic has to catch up and finally properly merge the three tabs they have. The killer feature of any of these assistants, if you're a manager, is asking to review your email, Slack, Notion, etc several times a day to highlight the items where you need to engage right away. Of course, if your company allows the connectors to do so. Codex is pretty seamless right now and even after they cut on their 5-hr limits their $20 plan is still a little bit more generous. I'd still say that Claude models are superior and just offer good opinionated defaults.

vinhnx 6mo ago

A simple mental model for Claude's new adaptive thinking is that it is the recommended way to use extended thinking. Adaptive Thinking (wraps Extended Thinking). It applies to Opus 4.7, 4.6, and Sonnet 4.6 and is the default mode on Claude Mythos Preview.

TheServitor 6mo ago

Mac only? Meh.

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shevy-java 6mo ago

> Codex can now operate your computer alongside you I am getting some strange vibes here ... is AI actually also spying on these developers?

ookblah 6mo ago

pretty much you have to build for humans as the "source" of truth and then have a robust agentic surface if you want to survive as a company. after using linear (for ex.) u can really see how it all fits together, i can be in cli, co-workers in slack, cowork, whatever and update tasks from anywhere). i refuse to use shit where i have to context switch by going into an app now. posthog is another good example of where it's going. the dirty detail now is that you HAVE to have the actual app so you can still manually look at data and do operations.

LukaD 6mo ago

More like codex for nothing. I canceled my 20$ plan and won't let myself be bullied into buying more expensive plans to have the same limits I used to have a week ago on the 20$ plan. I would not be surprised if this illegal where I live.

Oarch 6mo ago

"You've hit the message limit, upgrade to Plus for more". Ok. I upgrade. "You've hit the message limit, upgrade to Plus for more". Hmm. They've charged me. There's no meaningful support. I just got scammed, didn't I...

MattRix 6mo ago
Log out and log in again? That usually fixes these kind of issues for me.

epitrochoid413 6mo ago

Lets see how OpenAI holds up. They prolly shitify or dumb down their models like Anthropic to finally turn their massive loss streak into a profit.

xpe 6mo ago

Please don't forget that OpenAI's leadership has shown the world what it is really made of.

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frde_me 6mo ago

I enabled the computer use plugin yesterday. Today I asked it to summarize a slack thread, along with a spreadsheet without thinking about it I was expecting it to use MCPs I have for them, but they happened to not be authenticated for some reason I got _really_ freaked out when a glowing cursor popped up while I was doing something else and started looking at slack and then navigating on chrome to the sheet to get the data it needs Like on one hand it's really cool that it just "did the thing" but I was also freaked out during the experience

haritha-j 6mo ago

Interesting that its restricted to macOS. I know programmers almost exclusively use macOS, but regular folk primarily use windows for work. I might be a bit biased as an engineer, but even outside of my circle, I mostly see windows being used. If they're serious about extending from coders to non technical business users, I would imagine they need to support windows.

s1mon 6mo ago

I've been using the Codex app for a while (a few months) for a few types of coding projects, and then slowly using it for random organizational/productivity things with local folders on my Mac. Most of that has been successful and very satisfying, however... Codex is still far from ready for regular people. Simply moving a folder that Codex has been working on confuses the hell out of it. I can't figure out how to fix "Current working directory missing. This chat's working directory no longer exists". I've tried asking it to fix the problem and it tries lots of terminal commands and screws around with SQLite. Something this brittle is not for non-developers.

cadamsdotcom 6mo ago
Maybe like, don’t do that? Moving the folder you’re in out from under yourself is okay if you know you did it - but if you don’t, you’re gonna get confused :) And so is an agent!
- s1mon 6mo ago
  I'm very used to tools which keep track of connections to documents based on internal IDs, not folder structure. It seems primitive to be so brittle. It seems even more stupid that it was so hard to get Codex to fix this for me. I managed to get it to solve the problem, but not before it got itself in this crazy loop of restarting the app, wanting to quit, quitting even if I canceled the quit dialog, and restarting over and over. I was able to reboot my machine and it had sorted out the missing references to most of the projects, but wow.

sharts 6mo ago

Can we get up from our desk and leave our codex session (or claude for that matter) and then continue using it with our iphone while having lunch or commuting on a train? Without 3rd party tools/plugins.

darepublic 6mo ago

> Our mission is to ensure that AGI benefits all of humanity. In order to do this we will eat everyone's lunch.

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