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Two pilots dead after plane and ground vehicle collide at LaGuardia
https://avherald.com/h?article=536bb98e https://avherald.com/h?article=536bb98e
- spwa4 7mo agoAccording to other news sources, the pilots lost their lives here, too.
- azalemeth 7mo agoThe entire cockpit, front toilet and galley area, and probably a front row seat have all been utterly destroyed. Unfortunately I'd be amazed if the death toll stays at two.
- weird-eye-issue 7mo agoHow did it end up like that with the nose up: what is holding it up?
- cschmatzler 7mo agoFront fell off, people deplaned (while still horizontal) which shifted the balance backwards. It’s sitting on the rear bulkhead,
- weird-eye-issue 7mo agoI guess there is more weight in the relatively small section of the front that came off than I expected
- fredoralive 7mo agoI’d guess the front landing gear assembly is going to be fairly heavy, and appears to be missing. This model of plane also has its engines at the rear, not under the wing, which will move the balance to the back.
- weird-eye-issue 7mo agoOh yeah that definitely makes sense
- wat10000 7mo agoPlanes typically have their center of gravity just forward of the rear wheels. This makes it easier to rotate on takeoff. The margins are thin enough that certain planes will sometimes have people in the back get off first, before the people on the front, to avoid tipping onto the tail like this.
- ErroneousBosh 7mo agoI have been on small aircraft where some of the larger passengers (me, at about 100kg, and a couple of other guys my size) were asked to sit a little further back for the takeoff but move up front and get off last because of the difference in balance as the fuel was used.
- ambicapter 7mo agoIt's balance, you don't need a large difference in weight for it to tilt backwards.
- Reason077 7mo agoGravity. The aircraft is heavier at the back, where the engines are. With the nose severely damaged/missing, the centre of gravity has shifted aft, so what’s left of the nose is sticking up in the air.
- _moof 7mo ago[flagged]
- bilekas 7mo agoThat's a huge amount of damage even at 24mph. It's crazy how that could happen though. Will be interesting to see the full report.
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- whycome 7mo agoVery unlikely it was 24mph…The entire cockpit is gone. (Though some of the major damage may have happened while deplaning the passengers)
- Ekaros 7mo agoOn other hand planes are really not designed to be crashed into things. Only for limited impacts. So we might not have right comparison for relatively thin and aimed to be light structure being impacted by bulkier object.
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- hiddendoom45 7mo agoIt looks like that is based on the last recorded speed from flightradar24[1] which was 21kts(24mph). The previous data points were 11kts, and 58 kts(the last point before the track deviates off the runway). I do think it is likely that the collision occurred at a speed faster than 24mph. edit: Looking into this a bit more it looks like the plane came to a stop around crossing E while the emergency vehicle was crossing at D(based on ATC recordings). Using the following map as reference[2], the 58kts point was around E, while the previous recorded point which was just before D was 114kts. [1] https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ac8646#3ede6c39 https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ac8646#3ede6c39 [2] https://www.flightaware.com/resources/airport/LGA/APD/AIRPORT+DIAGRAM/pdf https://www.flightaware.com/resources/airport/LGA/APD/AIRPOR...
- masklinn 7mo agoThe fire truck was flipped and moved to the side of the runway, this was not 24mph. 24mph is the final groundspeed recorded after the aircraft skidded off of the runway. Per the ADSBx track the plane was at 101kts (115 mph / 185kph) just before crossing taxiway D, which would be where it hit the firetruck. It still had enough energy afterwards to reach taxiway E, 600ft away.
- mcbain 7mo agohttps://www.avherald.com/h?article=536bb98e https://www.avherald.com/h?article=536bb98e > Captain and first officer are reported to have died in the accident, two fire fighters on board of the truck received serious injuries, 13 passengers received injuries.
- xyst 7mo agoYet another blow to the confidence of flying in this country.
- trvz 7mo agoMore accurately, the risk has increased by at least one order of magnitude, but the confidence of the public has largely stayed the same.
- itsmek 7mo agoSource for the risk going up by 10x? Wild claim
- calf 7mo agoThis comes to mind how during the Boeing news scandals, commenters would confidently argue "Flying is still ridiculously safe, statistically speaking", "these things happen every day, just underreported", and "you/people are irrational for not flying Boeing". It's a very curious argument to me. Is the ATC infrastructure issue analogous or not, etc.
- actionfromafar 7mo agoIt is strange. What is importa t is, are things getting better or getting worse? As they say, it’s not the fall that kills, bit the impact. Are we falling?
- kakacik 7mo agoMaybe US media, hardly an unbiased news source about US events, especially when hundreds of billions are flying around about incompetent massive employer and lobbyist. Nowhere else in the world you would hear such statements. Boeings simply disappeared from Europe, those few that were here before. I am sure they are still used somewhere but I haven't flown any in past 7-8 years. Heck, I haven't seen any in South east Asia neither (but that may be due to luck). I check this with all bookings, no way I am flying that piece of shit if I can anyhow avoid that, not alone and quadruple that with family.
- twalichiewicz 7mo agoWas curious if ground vehicles at airports also use transponders to communicate position to the radio tower, and it turns out the FAA put out a report last year on potential solutions to avoid this exact situation: https://www.faa.gov/airports/airport_safety/certalerts/part_139_certalert_25_01 https://www.faa.gov/airports/airport_safety/certalerts/part_...
- altmanaltman 7mo agoLaGuardia has that system, it still failed to prevent this
- cucumber3732842 7mo agoTransponder doesn't alter the laws of physics for the landing plane you just cut off. I guess it gives ATC a ~5sec jump on telling some other flight to go around. I'd bet a lot of money that however the system is implemented the police and fire get special treatment when it comes to process (i.e. asking permission before they go somewhere planes might be) and that is part of what lead to this.
- organsnyder 7mo ago> I'd bet a lot of money that however the system is implemented the police and fire get special treatment when it comes to process (i.e. asking permission before they go somewhere planes might be) and that is part of what lead to this. I highly doubt that any system would intentionally give ground vehicles of any kind special treatment on an active runway.
- PunchyHamster 7mo agoThe trajectory of the plane is obvious enough that it should be able to predict where it will likely be in 30 seconds or a minute. You can't cheat physics, if it is going down in direction of runway, it is landing or at worst will do go-around, so the services should be alterted runway is no-go automatically
- haunter 7mo agoI saw the first post about this on /r/flying and /r/aviation 5 hours ago and legacy media is only started reporting it in the last hour or so
- whycome 7mo agoAnd so much of the legacy media info is wrong. It’s strange because a lot of the primary sources are public. This is a good overview so far: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vokLcNNGCM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vokLcNNGCM
- quotemstr 7mo agoIt's hardly worth checking with the legacy media anymore. Really, why bother?
- sofixa 7mo agoBecause some of them still have standards. They will correct themselves if something was wrong. Everyone can write a comment on Reddit / make a podcast / video / whatever claiming whatever they want. Unless you already know and trust them (which requires you to be able to cross-check their information), it's potentially as useful as a random LLM hallucination. Could be brilliantly spot on, or could be completely nonsense. No way of knowing unless you already know enough. (Because even cross-checking won't necessarily save you, if you cross-check multiple bullshit sources). Media with standards (like the BBC, Guardian, Liberation, etc.) will do their best to report truthfully (even if sometimes with some bias), and will fix their mistakes if they're caught later on or the story evolves. Independent media checking organisations have shown time and time again that there is trustworthy media, you just need to know which it is, and always take a pinch of salt. It's wild to me that people will just dismiss rags such as Fox News and relatively quality media like Guardian in the same breath.
- keiferski 7mo agoAt the very least it’s worth reading to see what most people / the people in power are reading or want others to read. The NYT is biased, but it’s still basically the most official newspaper of the American ruling class.
- metalman 7mo agoIt should be noted that aircraft and all other vehicle and personel movements on an airport are controlled from the airtraffic control tower by air traffic controllers or directly by individual flaggers, as directed from the tower. Or at least thats the way it is supposed to work, and of course the operation at a place like LaGuardia is more complex, and will have specialists and multiple zones. What will put an extra edge on this is the whole ICE thing, and airport chaos pulling the roof down.
- lotsofpulp 7mo agoThe comments in /r/aviation see to think it’s a one (tired) man show at night. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1s16x61/comment/obypk37/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1s16x61/comment/o...
- rdtsc 7mo ago> What will put an extra edge on this is the whole ICE thing, and airport chaos pulling the roof down. How would the ICE thing cause more ground traffic collisions. Are you thinking ATC controllers are illegal immigrants and they’re going to run away during their shift? I just don’t see a connection there…
- wat10000 7mo agoNot the crash, but the aftermath. Passengers will be showing up for flights today, nervous with the crash on their minds, and many will then encounter untrained goons cosplaying as airport security.
- rdtsc 7mo agoI could see that, yeah.
- tencentshill 7mo agoThis incident caused delays and cancellations that ripple throughout an already understaffed network of TSA checkpoints. ICE presence will make airport security somehow an even worse experience for brown people.
- bigfatkitten 7mo agoI’d hazard a guess that the speed of impact was much more than 24mph, seeing how the nose of the aircraft was obliterated.
- keithfawcett 7mo agoWhat a terrible tragedy.
- aurareturn 7mo agoIs it just me or am I noticing more and more aviation accidents in the last 5 or 6 years? More than the 2010s.
- __patchbit__ 7mo agoEasily fixed by SpaceXai ground control autonomy.
- user_7832 7mo agoIt's definitely a thing. I've been an aviation nerd for years and in the past you'd just have one bizzare event here and there. The last "big" ones were MH370 and MH17, but we've had fatal commerical aviation accidents very frequent of late.
- aurareturn 7mo agoWhy do you think that is? More air traffic? Busier airports? More travelers? More flights in general? Overworked/understaffed positions?
- n1b0m 7mo agoMultiple reasons I can think of: Air Traffic Control staffing shortages. This has led to long shifts and intensive workloads for controllers, increasing the risk of errors. Government shutdowns have exacerbated these shortages, causing delays and heightening safety risks as critical personnel, including TSA and safety technicians, were furloughed or worked without pay. Then there’s the outdated infrastructure. The U.S. National Airspace System relies on aging radar and communication technology.
- quaddoggy 7mo agoAccording to one narrative, DEI.
- user_7832 7mo agoDisclaimer, I'm absolutely no expert. IMO is a combination of events. I think Covid stopping all flights for so long caused some permanent loss of institutional system knowledge, and we've never recovered from it since. On top of that, the US has been having more and more shutdowns - and regardless of whether you like him or not, Trump's been responsible for some of the longest ones. The impact of extra mental stress on people who're already in one of the most stressful jobs in the world cannot be good in any way I can think of. I think the fact that we're not seeing so many issues in Germany or Singapore or Dubai makes me suspect that this is a bit more US specific than global. Some issues (eg Covid) are common, but an alert pilots can overcome eg a mistaken ATC. But the more things/conditions that go wrong, the likelier it is that the Swiss cheesehole misses and causes an error. Richard Cook's How Complex Systems Fail is an interesting read if you're curious for more.
- pseingatl 7mo agoFortunately, personnel from Morgan & Morgan™, America's largest billboard personal injury law firm, are rushing to the airfield to investigate the accident, take statements and offer their services to the injured to insure that they are properly compensated. "The way we plea, there is no fee."
- cmiles8 7mo agoEmergency vehicles were en route to another emergency in progress on the other runway. Sadly it sounds like a fire truck was cleared to cross the active runway moments before the CRJ landed. By the time the controller realized that mistake it was too late.
- _moof 7mo agoI'm very, very curious about whether the ARFF crew visually cleared the runway and final before crossing the hold short line. It's standard procedure for flight crew to do this, specifically to mitigate the risk of ATC errors.
- cmiles8 7mo agoYes ARFF should still look before crossing, but the weather wasn’t great with limited visibility and thus even if they looked it’s possible they didn’t see anything.
- PierceJoy 7mo agoI mean, isn't it obvious that they didn't?
- wat10000 7mo agoIt’s obvious that either they didn’t, or they did but they didn’t see the plane. We don’t know which.
- bombcar 7mo agoAt night with multiple runways it can be very hard to see a plane on final. Still, I'm always hesitant to cross an active runway.
- gortok 7mo agoReports are there were fog and rain at La Guardia at the time of the incident. They were on a short final, and it’s entirely possible they were not visible to the fire truck’s crew.
- cjrp 7mo agoATC recording on https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php Fire truck was cleared to cross and then told to stop. I'm not sure if they were the only controller working at the time, they continued working after the incident which seems unusual; my understanding is normally they'd be relieved by another controller.
- brownieeee 7mo agoThey were indeed the only controller, working both ground and tower frequencies.
- the_mitsuhiko 7mo agoWhich, as a non informed person but someone who needs to travel by plane, sounds absolutely insane. Was it always possible to staff that with a single person or is that a result of understaffing?
- buckle8017 7mo ago[flagged]
- jdlshore 7mo agoThis sounds like a right-wing conspiracy theory. Are you saying that, in order to hire more black people, the FAA deliberately created a test only black people could pass? Do you have any evidence of this assertion?
- appreciatorBus 7mo ago[flagged]
- cjrp 7mo agoI don't think this explains understaffing though. "The lawsuit doesn’t allege incompetent controllers were hired instead of CTI graduates. Instead, it states that the CTI graduates weren’t given the opportunity to demonstrate their competency." It sounds like they hired different people, rather than fewer.
- IAmBroom 7mo ago> "I visited them both in the hospital, as has the chairman, and they were able to speak and we're notifying their families," said Garcia. Let's get the important parts out of the way first: We in charge have taken care of optics, with regard to our offices. Oh, and we're going to contact families eventually.
- newsclues 7mo agohttps://x.com/thenewarea51/status/2035926457394876837 https://x.com/thenewarea51/status/2035926457394876837 ATC audio make a mistake, recognize it, and then have to continue on your job, knowing you likely just killed people, because if you don't others will die. The weight of some jobs is immense, and our civilization relies upon workers to shoulder the burden everyday.
- wat10000 7mo agoAnd these guys are tremendously overworked because the government can’t get its shit together to hire enough people to staff at appropriate levels.
- callmeal 7mo ago"Government"? Let's call it what it is. ITYM "Republicans".
- tatersolid 7mo agoThe shortage of ATC staff dates back to the Clinton Administration. It’s just hard to attract people into a 5+ year training program for a very stressful job where you might get bounced near the end with no payout and no transferrable job skills.
- lesuorac 7mo agoI think you mean Reagan. He removed the union for the ATC not Clinton. Honestly, you can generally just blame Reagan for about anything. A presidency about weaking labor, strengthening Iran, and ballooning the deficit is uh never going to leave good traces.
- nradov 7mo agoReagan did the right thing in that case. Government employees should never have collective bargaining rights. Public employee unions are contrary to the interests of taxpayers.
- renewiltord 7mo agoAre the increased number of air incidents since Dec 2024 reflective of anything real or is it more attention on something? Brigida v. USDOT comes to mind but doesn't seem relevant. I'm sure we could all construct a chain of "this thing happened that caused that which caused this" and so on, but I'm curious if someone has done the effort to see whether such a chain is defensible. Also, did the pilots die in the collision or in some sort of aftermath? The cockpit looks absolutely smashed.
- ryandrake 7mo agoYou can probably construct a realistic chain of failure that goes all the way back to political tomfoolery and bad air traffic control leadership/staffing decisions, but that makes the wrong people look bad, so they'll probably blame individuals further down the totem pole like the controller or pilot and call it a day.
- renewiltord 7mo agoAh so you think it is Brigida. I get what you mean. I had to obscure that in order to ask the question.
- ryandrake 7mo agoNo, absolutely not. This has nothing to do with Brigida. I'm not being vague here. When I say political tomfoolery and leadership decisions, I'm not alluding to race or discrimination. I am talking about more plausible and straightforward causes: their decisions to not modernize ATC, and to keep ATC staffed at a skeleton level for decades.
- renewiltord 7mo agoI see. Who are the “wrong people” then? Pointing fingers at politicians over lack of funding is so routine I doubt any of them would be more than mildly inconvenienced by that. Certainly not to the degree where they’d conspire to hide it.
- shrx 7mo agoI'm curious about what kind of visualization does the ATC have at the disposal about the current occupancy of the individual tarmac segments? I'd assume if an airplane is approaching for landing on a specific runway, that runway should have been clearly marked as restricted for access until the plane would actually land and clear it?
- cjrp 7mo agoIn the US, airplanes can be cleared for landing while the runway is occupied (you can be number two, three, etc. for landing and still be cleared). It's different in other countries, where you can only be issued a landing clearance if the runway is clear or anticipated to be clear before you land (e.g. the plane before you is already exiting the runway).
- shrx 7mo agoStill, the runway could be reserved for landing aircrafts only, still preventing access to all other types of vehicles.
- danso 7mo agoHow are fire trucks supposed to respond to incidents involving airplanes, as it appears this case involves, if the runway is off limits to them?
- nradov 7mo agoThe way it's supposed to work, the ground controller first verifies that there are no traffic conflicts before clearing vehicles to cross an active runway.
- bombcar 7mo agoWhich is exactly what failed here, so saying "it shouldn't fail by not failing" doesn't help terribly much. Having grade-separate crossings for vehicles might, but that introduces new issues (plane skidding off runway could hit the incline and break up).
- ApolloFortyNine 7mo agoIn 2026, with how much money their is in aviation, it seems wild to not have digitized this ages ago. The runway should be essentially 'locked' when in use, if they don't want screens in every ground vehicle that may cross a runway, at least display it at runway entrances. That ATC still takes place over radio just seems insane at this point. And there's pretty much no way to make ATC's job not stressful, its inherently stressful. Taking out how much of their job is held in the current operators mind versus being 'committed' seems like low hanging fruit 30 years ago. The whole system's just begging for human error to occur. There's 1700+ runway incursions a year in the US alone, each one should be investigated as if an accident occurred and fixes proposed. Like when an accident occurs.
- bronco21016 7mo ago> The runway should be essentially 'locked' when in use, if they don't want screens in every ground vehicle that may cross a runway, at least display it at runway entrances. It does, the Runway Status Lights System uses radar to identify when the runway is in use and shows a solid bright red bar at every entrance to the runway. I'm curious what the NTSB has to say about it for this incident. From the charts LGA does have RWSLs. I didn't check NOTAM to see if they were out of service though.
- bombcar 7mo agoEmergency vehicles almost always can override/ignore warning devices (think firetrucks running red lights) which can cause "fun" for some value of "death/dismemberment/vehicle loss". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Xf7aU5Udo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Xf7aU5Udo
- red_admiral 7mo agoAirport emergency services are presumably trained in this, but since a plane cannot stop easily (or not at all on takeoff after V1), I seem to remember the general rule is that even emergency vehicles with lights and sirens on give way to planes, and don't enter runways without permission from the tower. In the audio released by the BBC, the fire truck DID get permission from the tower to cross something, I can't tell if it was the runway in question. However, to cross the red runway lights if lit, you normally need that spelled out too something like "truck one, cross four delta, cross red lights". This did not happen on the BBC audio, which could mean one of many things.
- b0rtb0rt 7mo agoi’m at the point where i’m pretty much never going to put my family on a plane unless we have a very urgent reason to visit family overseas or something
- cineticdaffodil 7mo agoAvoidable catastrophes indiced as a measurement of cultural decline?
- glitchc 7mo agoIntroduce a foreign object onto the runway and it will inevitably collide with an aircraft. The fire trucks aren't part of the airport traffic management system, their sudden presence is bound to lead to problems eventually. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the truck has a single radio (airplanes always have two) and was constantly switching between ATC and fire house frequencies. The probably never heard the "stop, stop, stop stop.." It would also not surprise me if airports previously had dedicated fire services, which have since been outsourced for cost reasons.
- banannaise 7mo agoThis is an airport-specific vehicle that was on radio with ATC at the time and had clearance to cross the runway. Nothing in your comment is correct.
- davey48016 7mo agoAccording to this article, the air traffic controller gave the fire truck permission to cross the runway. So, it seems like they are part of the air traffic management system?
- _moof 7mo ago> The fire trucks aren't part of the airport traffic management system Yes they are.
- canucker2016 7mo agoVideo of the collision - https://x.com/airmainengineer/status/2036116651167384018 https://x.com/airmainengineer/status/2036116651167384018
- canucker2016 7mo agoAnother link, video is slightly different (but collision is the same) - user is trying to select a region of the video I think https://www.instagram.com/p/DWO75cTju2e/ https://www.instagram.com/p/DWO75cTju2e/
- caditinpiscinam 7mo agoDamn that's awful. I read elsewhere that the plane was only going 24mph when it hit the truck, and I didn't understand how the collision could have been that damaging, but I wasn't taking into account how much momentum a plane would have at that speed. From the video, it seems like a plane moving on the ground acts less like a car or truck and more like a very delicate freight train when it hits something.
- hajile 7mo agoMaybe they were talking about the truck going 24mph, but the plane is clearly going WAY faster than that. I'm not completely sure but it seems like the runway entry lights are red which very clearly indicates the runway is in use. They should have known better.
- caditinpiscinam 7mo agoThis is the article I saw, but I agree it seems like its going much faster in the video https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/23/air-canada-crash-at-laguardia-airport-what-happened-who-were-the-victims https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/23/air-canada-crash-at...
- Tade0 7mo agoIt's crossing more than its entire length per second, so 36m - 130km/h+ or 80mph+.
- Insanity 7mo agoCaptain Steve breakdown: https://youtu.be/Hx-GFeErXD8?si=iND_BkDrtGNapB7Q https://youtu.be/Hx-GFeErXD8?si=iND_BkDrtGNapB7Q His videos are pretty insightful and always respectful. Highly recommended. Expect him to have new videos as more information becomes available.
- deepspace 7mo agoCan we please not promote captain Steve? He is regarded as a pompous ambulance chaser in aviation video circles. Blancolerio is a much better resource. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnSGMPaJ2OM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnSGMPaJ2OM
- Insanity 7mo agoI like his videos, I'm not in 'aviation circles' and I find his videos both educational and I like his demeanor. Do appreciate the link to Blancolerio, I hadn't heard of him (I'm not super into aviation videos). De gustibus et coloribus :)
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- krunck 7mo agoSo the truck just crosses a runway because the ground controller said it was OK? Do ground vehicle drivers not take a half a second to look both ways before crossing a runway? It would have prevented this. Safely through redundant checks.
- breakingcups 7mo agoEverybody knows better on the internet.
- Waterluvian 7mo ago> It would have prevented this. You seem confident and well-informed. Can you tell us about the time of day, visibility conditions, and what it’s like driving a fire truck at an airport? We should really get this judgment to the driver ASAP.
- mianos 7mo agoYes. To have to do a certification to drive on the apron. There are all sorts of rules about being careful to cross the runway. I imagine they were rushing to the 'emergency'. To hit a plane there must have been multiple mistakes. The swiss cheese thing.
- ozten 7mo agoRaining, misting. The plane may have been up in cloud cover when they looked and decided to enter the runway. Hard to judge the distance and trajectory of planes. Once the firetruck started moving, they may have seen it without time to gun it or back up. > It would have prevented this. Wow.
- userbinator 7mo agoLook at the video. The plane was already on the ground.
- graybeardhacker 7mo agoAs long as the cost of an accident is lower than the cost of fixing the system this will continue to happen. This is one of many examples of why capitalism needs to be kept in check with democratic government oversight. Sometimes the financial incentives are not high enough to warrant changing the system.
- syngrog66 7mo ago[flagged]
- cromka 7mo agoDo better? Who do you think you're trying to condescend here?
- D-Coder 7mo agoInteresting historical overview: https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/2026/03/aviation-failures-tsa-dhs-shutdown/686505/ https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/2026/03/aviation-fai.... (Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47494469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47494469.)
- consumer451 7mo agoThere is video of the collision now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyTsnsWHoxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyTsnsWHoxc
- patcon 7mo ago> a firefighting truck was responding to a separate incident on a flight that had aborted its takeoff and reported a strange odour on board. Air traffic control recordings suggested the odour on the plane had made some flight attendants feel ill. Not making light of this, but I imagine there is another story of the person who had some strange scented product that led the flight attendants to play it safe and phone it in. There may very be someone whose strong cologne or forgetfulness to leave a chemical at home resulted in 2 deaths :(
- Sohcahtoa82 7mo ago> strong cologne Anyone else think that if you're going on an airplane, you shouldn't be wearing cologne or perfume? Antiperspirant/deodorant, absolutely. But giving yourself a strong scent when you're going to spend a few hours tightly-packed with other people feels rude.
- hsbauauvhabzb 7mo agoI would take someone wearing perfume over the other odours and travellers who are constantly sniffing/coughing and are clearly sick.
- The_President 7mo agoThat's why I choose the unscented foot spread Cornaway so that my crocs don't chafe against my ankles when on long flights.
- philip1209 7mo agothe scent came from a rejected takeoff, so probably brake pad smoke - which could be medically serious, e.g. for COPD. RTOs throw off a ton of energy: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S6nZDGBPsak https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S6nZDGBPsak
- floatingtorch 7mo agoIt may have been a fume event which is very dangerous for everyone onboard. > A fume event occurs when bleed air used for cabin pressurisation and air conditioning in a pressurised aircraft is contaminated by fluids such as engine oil, hydraulic fluid, anti-icing fluid, and other potentially hazardous chemicals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fume_event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fume_event
- LetsGetTechnicl 7mo agoSuch a terrible avoidable accident, on top of the absolute chaos happening inside the airports. In a normal timeline, Donald Trump would've died in obscurity years ago
- QuantumNoodle 7mo agoEither the number of big airline incidents around the world grew in the last 24 months or reporting on it became more popular. I wonder how much people get hurt relative to number that fly now.
- gmerc 7mo ago“around the world” citation needed
- hedora 7mo agoIt looks like jet safety got better just about everywhere except the US, and 2025 was a bad year for turboprops: https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/2026-releases/2026-03-09-01/ https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/2026-releases/2026-03-09-0... On average, it was slightly worse globally, especially if you count fatalities (which were much worse).
- QuantumNoodle 7mo agoExcellent source! Thank you. Looks like more flights in 2025 than previous years and less accidents. 2025 does have more fatalities, which are more memorable than emergency landings where everything was alright. So that is likely what skewed my view.
- QuantumNoodle 7mo agoThis is purely anecdotal. Some search queries about incidents I remember - Jan 2025 mid air collision with helicopter near Reagan National, Washington, D.C. - April 2025 China Eastern Airlines Flight runway overrun at Chongqing Jiangbei - June 2025 Air India crashed after departure from Ahmedabad - August 2025 incident at London Stansted where a DHL A330 landed long and struck the runway end - September 2025 Tokyo Haneda: Inflight engine fire There was one where the plane ended up on side or back. But I don't remember enough details to find the event
- engineer_22 7mo agoTower is human, gets tired, gets hungry; Tower made a mistake. If Tower had some help, maybe an AI or maybe another set of ears, the tragedy could have been avoided. An LLM monitoring instructions could easily have identified the mistake and alerted the ATC in time to save the situation. There was plenty of time to correct the mistake.
- mememememememo 7mo agoDropping this "Move the fucking metal": https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1s1ldk0/everyone_should_read_this_reposted_from_an_atc_fb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1s1ldk0/everyone_... Probably good here instead of seperate submission.