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I do not see the tourism industry mentioned here but I have to imagine that is a huge loss right now. Most of the world is not visiting the US right now which

• giraffe_lady 7mo ago
  A lot of the US isn't visiting the US anymore either. For normal personal recessiony reasons but also I know word of mouth several large companies have cancelled planned recurring events in texas, florida, arizona, and not necessarily moved them anywhere else either.
  • kspacewalk2 7mo ago
    That is a much bigger deal than international arrivals.
• cheesecompiler 7mo ago
  There is a significant majority of people in Canada who not only vocally decided to not go to US but discourage their friends from doing so too. People have judged me for driving through the states.
  • TwoNineA 7mo ago
    Last year we cancelled a planned US vacation, this year we didn't even think about it. Going back to Europe two years in a row. I don't give a fuck about tariff policy of our supposed "friends" but when our "friend" repeatedly threatens our independence and sovereignty, no thanks. Not going to step into the USA for a long time.
    • iso1631 7mo ago
      It's not the government that's the problem per-se, it's the fact half the US supports that government
      • Retric 7mo ago
        This administration has terrible approval ratings. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump...
        • loloquwowndueo 7mo ago
          Totally a case of “gee, who’d have thunk”
        • pupppet 7mo ago
          Approval ratings should be far lower than this.
          • epistasis 7mo ago
            Yes, and a major reason they aren't lower is because of tech executives that control the media and mass communication in the US.
          • mrbombastic 7mo ago
            Agreed but we also have to stop saying "the majority support this" or "half the country supports this" it ain't true and leads people to feel hopeless.
            • ryandrake 7mo ago
              Yet, if we re-did the election today, we'd have the same outcome. People might not support what is happening but they will never "vote for the other guy." I personally know people who disagree with everything that's going on, but they'll still vote (R) next time "because I'm a (R)," as if it's their intrinsic physical trait like hair color.
              • cfloyd 7mo ago
                This is a good analysis but I’ll say at least for me, it has been a lesser of two evils scenario. Both parties have some really crazy ideas and platforms. I loathe the two party system for this reason.
    • gaoshan 7mo ago
      Can't blame you. Coming from the US I have been making a point to vacation in Canada, fwiw. Short of voting, protesting and getting into arguments with MAGA people I don't know what else I can effectively do.
      • sandworm101 7mo ago
        Look into your state's recall procedures. Waiting for the next election is effectively acquiescence to the current situation.
        • derektank 7mo ago
          No sitting member of Congress has ever been recalled and it’s almost certainly unconstitutional. Article I only outlines one way to remove a sitting representative or senator, and that’s expulsion by a vote of the chamber in which they sit
          • sandworm101 7mo ago
            Congress is one power structure. States and cities are others. 19 states have recall procedures. The fed is much less powerful domestically without state-level support. And pulling down even a couple state reps would send a chilling message to the fed. https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/recall-of-state-officials https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/recall-of-state...
            • galangalalgol 7mo ago
              Very few red states in those 19...
        • astura 7mo ago
          My State has no recall procedures, that doesn't exist, the same is true for the majority of states. https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/recall-of-state-officials https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/recall-of-state... Beyond that, my state is not the problem.
    • cgh 7mo ago
      Same. We had two month-long trips planned and canceled them both. I realize California is not exactly “enemy territory” or whatever but we’ll spend our money elsewhere.
      • XorNot 7mo ago
        I mean you say that, but as someone with family in California the issue isn't the general citizenry it's that ICE and border people aren't general citizenry. If the system decides to screw you over, that your average Cali resident disapproves doesn't stop you being in a holding cell for weeks.
    • mothballed 7mo ago
      Going through CBP is such a nightmare, even as a US citizen, I also think twice about going on international vacation. I hate entering my own country, every other country is so much easier, a deep sense of dread enters every time I have to go back to the USA because I know I will be fucked with by the border police. I try not to let them influence my behavior too much, but at the end of the day, getting thrown in immigration jail on false accusations (yes happened to me despite presenting US passport) or detained for 12+ hours (also happened several times) puts constraints on vacation plans.
      • dawnerd 7mo ago
        Really depends where your entry point is. They’ve moved to digital gates which have made actual cbp interactions basically a thing of the past. Last couple times I didn’t even have to take my passport out.
        • fragmede 7mo ago
          As you said, depends on your gate of entry. At some of them, they took the digital gates out after installing them.
      • raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
        Most of my flying back into the US has been through ATL and once through LAX. It wasn’t bad. We just had to wait 3 hours in line to get into Costa Rica.
    • expedition32 7mo ago
      Americans don't understand that words have meaning. Canadians are supposed to just shrug and laugh.
    • blks 7mo ago
      It’s not even just about threats, you as an individual are in potential danger of being detained without due process by ICE
      • jhickok 7mo ago
        We had a great candidate for a job decline to relocate to the US for precisely this reason. I really do not blame anyone for making that decision
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    • bluecalm 7mo ago
      For me it's not about politics at all. Just the thought of going through TSA and immigration is enough to discourage me, especially when I can hop on a plane to Spain, Italy or Cyprus and face 0 inconveniences along the way.
      • iamtheworstdev 7mo ago
        you don't want to give up your DNS to visit the USA? /s
      • jacquesm 7mo ago
        Cyprus is probably best avoided right now.
        • bluecalm 7mo ago
          Yeah I mentioned it because I have semi-permanent home there. Luckily we left before the war started. I am just getting government SMS with warnings now.
          • jacquesm 7mo ago
            Gah that must suck. I hope you all ride this out without mishap. It's got to be so frustrating, it's like a bunch of gangsters having it out in the street where you live.
      • morkalork 7mo ago
        The whole social media history and phone searching thing makes me nervous, you're one bad-taste meme about Charlie Kirk and a butt-hurt CBP agent away from a very long and painful detention process.
      • dragonwriter 7mo ago
        > For me it's not about politics at all. Just the thought of going through TSA and immigration is enough to discourage me The conditions of TSA and the immigration system are...not independent of politics (or even independent of the top tier of most divisive partisan political issues in the current American context.)
  • zelphirkalt 7mo ago
    Seems like many people here in Germany also don't want anything to do with the US any longer as well. I myself wouldn't go to the US, even before Trump, and recently also heard from someone else, who wants to travel around the world, that they will not be visiting the US, due to what is going on over there. Just 2 anecdotes, N=2 of course, but I can imagine many people sharing the worries or concerns about visiting the US. edit: The truth hurts apparently.
    • TwoNineA 7mo ago
      Statistics Canada has over the last year shown that tourism to US from Canada is down by a lot and it's not getting better. Hell, as an anecdote, I keep seing ads on TV like: Come to Disneyland! We got rebates for canadians! Edit, didn't realise it was this bad: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/260223/dq260223a-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/260223/dq260...
      • cgh 7mo ago
        Las Vegas hotels are currently offering to take Canadian dollars at par.
      • masklinn 7mo ago
        > Edit, didn't realise it was this bad: It's probably not bottomed out yet, some of those trips were booked months in advance and not cancellable without taking a financial hit.
      • dawnerd 7mo ago
        I go to Disneyland nearly every weekend and the increase in foreigners is insane. Clearly a lot of people visiting that would have been going to Florida decided on California instead.
        • raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
          As a Floridian who owns a unit in a condotel [1]. The property management company is outright saying that tourism is down affecting income. All of the other owners who were dumb enough to buy them as “investments” are complaining. We don’t care because we are the only people who live there mostly year round and only leave during spring break and the summer when domestic tourism is high.
  • flerchin 7mo ago
    I took a taxi ride from Niagara (ON) to Buffalo. The Canadian driver really was leery of Americans and I apologized for everything. It's a dang shame, and I don't blame you all for feeling this way.
    • cjrp 7mo ago
      Bit off-topic, but how easy was this to do? We need to do the same crossing to pick up a rental car from Buffalo.
      • flerchin 7mo ago
        I couldn't arrange it via app, so it seemed impossible at first. However, I asked the bellman at the hotel, and he called his taxi driver friend. I kinda overpaid from what I can tell, $100 american, but he just drove us across the bridge, passports were checked super quickly by the American side, and we continued on to Buffalo in about 40 minutes total.
        • cjrp 7mo ago
          Thanks! I'd seen Uber etc. won't cross the bridge, so looks like talking to an actual human is required :)
    • mvdtnz 7mo ago
      Do you Americans realize it means absolutely nothing to us when one of you "apologises for" Americans? You do that for you, not us. It's weird and gross. You don't speak for Americans. Americans speak for Americans, and the message is loud and clear.
      • flerchin 7mo ago
        Well in the taxi or seemed to be the right thing to do.
  • cameldrv 7mo ago
    Likewise, I used to live in Germany, now in California, I used to get a fairly steady stream of old friends in town to visit, but not anymore, they essentially to a person refuse to come to the U.S.
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  • jorts 7mo ago
    My mom's condo complex in Hawaii used to have many owners from Canada. Over the last year, the number of units for sale has probably 10x'd from previous years.
    • vjvjvjvjghv 7mo ago
      Are people from Qatar and UAE now buying these? Seems these are our new allies now
      • selectodude 7mo ago
        They were our new allies for a few weeks there and now they’re cannon fodder for Iranian shaheeds. Probably not our friends anymore.
      • dotancohen 7mo ago
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        • jacquesm 7mo ago
          Hi, Citizen of one of those European countries here. My new neighbours are fine, thank you.
          • dotancohen 7mo ago
            Thank you, which country? I have no doubt that they are great people. That wasn't in question. I asked if they are allies. Do you find that they support and integrate into your local culture, and support preserving that culture? Or do they bring Middle Eastern culture and expect Middle Eastern values to be expressed in your country?
      • jorts 7mo ago
        No idea who is buying them, but it's dropped the price of buying one by over $100K.
  • RobRivera 7mo ago
    I'd understand the face value lack of roi. I go to europe. But to judge? Okay
  • newsclues 7mo ago
    As a Canadian, most of those people stating this, are broke and can't afford to travel, so the anti Trump thing is a face saving excuse. Just a observation from my personal life, my friends who aren't broke, are still going to Florida, etc.
    • groguzt 7mo ago
      yeah dude people definitely just stopped being able to afford going to Florida when Trump decided to turn his back against it's closest ally
    • whynotmaybe 7mo ago
      The ones I know that have money stopped going there and went further south or in Europe. Some even go as far as booking a trip to Europe for a music concert instead of going to the US. The line between "it's expensive" and "the current situation in the US sucks" is blurred. https://globalnews.ca/news/11075088/canadian-snowbird-couple-parting-ways-with-u-s-amid-political-climate/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11075088/canadian-snowbird-couple...
    • rapind 7mo ago
      Ridiculous take that Florida is expensive like it's some kind of luxury trip. Florida was always a budget option for us. It's always been a quick, easy (you can drive), low risk break to get away from the cold. I just don't feel like dealing with CBP and random MAGAs right now to be honest. Wife is low-key stressed about the idea. I mean at best it's a hassle... so why bother?
    • pcthrowaway 7mo ago
      90% of Canadians live within 100 km of the U.S. border, it's not much different than traveling elsewhere in Canada. Granted, as someone who lives ~40 km from the border, I'm broke and can't afford to travel, but I'm also avoiding the U.S. and have been further than 100 km from home on a number of occasions in the past year.
  • barbazoo 7mo ago
    Absolutely, my partner would love to visit national parks south of the border this summer but we decided we'd much rather spend our money in our own economy for the time being. That's not even considering the risk getting snatched by immigration anywhere in the country.
    • Nifty3929 7mo ago
      "spend our money in our own economy" - a common fallacy about economies. Spending money is how you take/consume resources from an economy. If you spend money in Canada, then you are taking stuff from Canadians. If you spend your money in the US, then you are taking stuff from Americans. You might wonder what happens at the limit - why don't Canadians just spend all their money in the US and take all America's stuff (just a thought experiment)? Because currencies adjust. Canadians would need US Dollars to buy stuff in the US, and as more and more Canadians try to do that, the exchange rate would change to devalue the Canadian Dollar against the US Dollar, effectively making things more and more expensive for Canadians until they are forced to get their stuff elsewhere.
      • wcarss 7mo ago
        This is not true. When you spend Canadian dollars at a business owned by a Canadian, you're sending that owner and the Canadian government your money, in exchange for their goods or services, normally at a surplus of value for them. You are 'helping' them; you are 'investing' in the Canadian economy. You are justifying the existence of their business and the jobs of the people who work there. Especially insofar as you're making this choice versus American options, you are putting money into the hands of Canadians rather than Americans. This is the underlying concept behind boycotts and voting with your dollars or feet.
    • bee_rider 7mo ago
      There’s a decent chance the national parks will still be there in a couple years anyway. Well, I guess, they might have been auctioned off to some billionaire at that point so… the tickets will probably be pricier but the facilities should be shiny and new.
  • dboreham 7mo ago
    Not just Canada. Everyone is wondering if they'll be arrested and thrown in the gulag. Obviously the chances of this happening are fairly small, but if you have an alternative non-fascist country to visit, why take the chance?
  • jrjeksjd8d 7mo ago
    I think the "elbows up" rhetoric among boomers is kind of stupid, but for safety reasons I have avoided going to the US. Otherwise I probably would have travelled 5-6 times in the past year.
  • Pxtl 7mo ago
    It's smaller than you'd think, but more than enough to make a real dent. December 2025, statscan calculated that cross-border auto traffic was down 30% (mostly same-day trips). Air travel is only down 11%, and air travel to other countries is up 13%. https://globalnews.ca/news/11679293/us-canada-travel-rates-drop/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11679293/us-canada-travel-rates-d... They didn't break down how much of that was tourism vs work.
  • clivestaples 7mo ago
    I was surrounded by Canadians in Arizona (BC, Calgary) and Florida (Ontario) this winter. I could not tell a difference in the RV world (2021-present) which I thought was odd given all the boycotts I read about online.
  • kakacik 7mo ago
    Canada? Count most of the world, and whole western world (minus US for the pedants but oh boy do US expats have juicy opinions on their homeland). I live in Switzerland, and literally everybody I talk to in our circles - bankers, doctors etc. despises US right now. The idea of going there as a tourist is immediately laughed at or met with puzzled look. Professional reasons or conferences are not even brought up, its automatic no and employers usually don't even try suggesting those. We ourselves with kids wanted to do the trip either this or next summer, but hell will freeze sooner. Some meager +-10k from us, I know just a drop in the ocean but there could have been many such drops. Other, less hostile economies deserve these way more.
  • hyperman1 7mo ago
    Someone mentioned how they had to go to America for the job, and everyone worried for his safety. His answer: Don't worry, it is South America. Everyone felt better for him, then we all wondered how 1 year could cause such a flip.
    • jacquesm 7mo ago
      That's all fine and good until your plane has to land in the United States for a medical emergency. If you are really concerned about this fly Air France through Bogota.
    • carlosjobim 7mo ago
      The power of media influence over people's minds. People will think whatever they are told to think by their media rulers. They will feel whatever they're told to feel. So there's not much mystery to it.
  • jacquesm 7mo ago
    Same here in Europe. I've had people volunteer to tell me they had canceled their trips and that 'as far as they're concerned that includes the rest of the future for them'. I think a lot of people were willing to forgive the USA for 'Trump 1' even if they did not understand it. But this is different.
  • Marsymars 7mo ago
    Anecdotally, my in-laws used to visit the US a couple times every year to spend time with their daughter and my nephew who live in the US. Now instead they pay for the plane tickets to bring my nephew up to Canada.
  • tinyhouse 7mo ago
    Less people visit the US because it's do damn expensive. That's the biggest reason for most people. Most people don't have any principles, they go where they can afford. Last year I was in NYC and Miami beach and was shocked how expensive everything was. (I know these are expensive places but that's where most tourists go - they don't visit Kansas)
    • exceptione 7mo ago
      Those people didn't already come to the USA for starters, NYC has been crazily expensive for years. There are many reasons people might have, none are good. There is for instance also a risk factor of being harassed and detained by ICE. Cruelty and incompetence are a feature of authoritarian governance, not a coincidence. So anyone going there takes a kind of risk. As has been shown, even Europeans aren't safe from the whimsical paramilitary. EDIT: I don't think that tourism is a big factor, but as I said elsewhere, it could well be the proverbial canary in the coal mine.
    • groestl 7mo ago
      Well, my business would be paying the trips, and everybody still refuses. So it's not the money.
  • YZF 7mo ago
    We did not travel to the US during Trump's first presidency either. That said, I do think some people are doing things for the wrong reasons and there is some manipulation of the masses at play here. One example is I expect most people don't really understand the tariff situation between Canada and the US and that most goods are still exempt from taxes and the agreements hold. I think some people want to punish the US for tariffs that don't exist. As a Canadian we should push back strongly against attacks on our sovereignty. We should also be somewhat concerned about the direction our neighbor is going in general. But it's also a reality that the US is very very close to us both geographically, culturally, and economically. That's not going to change. It's not an "enemy country" despite their very questionable choice of leaders. I think the correct long term direction is open borders and open trade, somewhat like the EU, and we shouldn't lose sight of that because a bad leader is in place today. It's very weird to me to see all the focus on US policies in the Canadian discourse while not enough focus on Canada. That feels like political distraction.
    • rapind 7mo ago
      > I think some people want to punish the US for tariffs that don't exist. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Gestapo. What a lovely time to be a foreigner travelling in the US...
      • YZF 7mo ago
        Believe it or not but there are some Canadians still going to the US. Gestapo is ... bullshit and FUD. Yes, we see the news about ICE. https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/border-crossing-data-annual-release-2025 https://www.bts.gov/newsroom/border-crossing-data-annual-rel... In 2025 there were about 18M personal vehicles and about 300K pedestrians crossed from Canada into the US. So yes, it's down (like 10%) but it's still a lot of people. Out of those the number of people that run into problems with the "Gestapo" is approximately, within rounding error, zero. You're a lot more likely to die in a car crash or get robbed or something. Why does everything today have to be about hyperbole? You don't want to visit the US (like me) ... well don't. You don't like Trump ... fine. You disagree with the immigration policies, enforcement whatnot... fine. But enough with this bullshit fear mongering.
  • shevy-java 7mo ago
    Well - if you are canadian and give money to the USA then you kind of also help sustain Trump's hostile anti-Canadian rhetoric and agenda. Most Canadians live in the southern part of Canada, aka close to the USA and depend economically a lot on the USA, but increasing that economic dependency more than it already is, is not a good strategy for all Canadians. I also think Canadians should get a small nuclear arsenal, probably 25% compared to what France has (France has about twice as many people; Canada only needs a small deterrence that would drive the cost of any country being hostile against it. Not many countries can be really hostile to Canada.)
  • JKCalhoun 7mo ago
    I hope a couple of U.S. tourists won't find any trouble driving through Alberta. Would a "We Love CANADA" bumper sticker help? (Asking for a friend.)
    • mkipper 7mo ago
      Your chances of running into trouble are pretty close to zero unless you're wearing a 51st State t-shirt or something. I work with a a decent number of Americans who either moved here or are here temporarily, and I can't say there has been any tension. I think most Canadians who are staunchly anti-US are also aware that plenty of Americans aren't happy with their government. I can't say I've seen any vitriol towards the average American person.
    • data-ottawa 7mo ago
      I doubt you would have any issue at all travelling in almost all of Canada. Alberta might be a bit more US friendly. You don't need the bumper sticker, or to apologize. As long as you aren't wearing MAGA gear or being bombastic about Trump, people won't really think much of it. I assume anyone visiting Canada isn't a Trump supporter anyways, as most polling shows they've decided they don't like Canada.
  • _zagj 7mo ago
    > People have judged me for driving through the states. Meanwhile it's perfectly acceptable, if not a point of pride, for Canadians to go to Cuba, which is not only run by an actual, kleptocratic dictatorship that imprisons dissidents for decades at a time, but is also the number #1 destination in the Americas for sex tourists, including child sex tourists, with the industry even tacitly sanctioned by the dictatorship ("jineterismo").
    • Pxtl 7mo ago
      Cuba hasn't recently openly discussed plans to annex Canada by force, and to punish Canada economically for not acceding to this desire.
      • _zagj 7mo ago
        > Cuba hasn't recently openly discussed plans to annex Canada Neither has the US. Trump specifically disavowed that every time he was asked (by the CBC). Meanwhile Cuba sent thousands of mercenaries to kill Ukrainians on behalf of Russia. > punish Canada economically Frankly, even as someone who opposes tariffs as uneconomic, given Ottawa's long-standing "constructive engagement" with the regime in Havana, even after they hosted Soviet nuclear weapons pointed at the US, even while they put AIDS patients in concentration camps, and even while they ran the island as a giant, open-air prison refusing to allow anyone to leave, it's really speaks to America's forbearance that it hasn't attempted to punish Canada economically, until now.
        • Pxtl 7mo ago
          You can't be serious. Did you miss all that talk of 51st state and "governor Trudeau" or "governor Gretzky?" > A reporter asked if he was "considering military force to annex and acquire Canada." > "No," replied Trump. "Economic force." https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/donald-trump-canada-51st-state-tariffs-seriously-1.7426281 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/donald-trump-canada-51st-st... "The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished Fifty First State. This would make all Tariffs, and everything else, totally disappear. Canadians’ taxes will be very substantially reduced, they will be more secure, militarily and otherwise, than ever before, there would no longer be a Northern Border problem, and the greatest and most powerful nation in the world will be bigger, better and stronger than ever." "If Canada merged with the U.S., there would be no Tariffs, taxes would go way down, and they would be TOTALLY SECURE from the threat of the Russian and Chinese Ships that are constantly surrounding them." https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/trump-canada-annex/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/19/trump-canada-annex/ We're into "reject the evidence of your eyes and ears" territory here.
  • gardnr 7mo ago
    The hotel booking websites show pricing trend data and rooms are largely “low price” currently. March isn’t exactly high season for California but it’s an interesting indicator.
  • gruez 7mo ago
    While the effect was real, arrival numbers mostly recovered since august last year: https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20250830_WOT219.png https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20250830_WOT...
  • fakedang 7mo ago
    I'm not Canadian, and I usually visit the US for business. While being a Muslim often means enduring the humiliation of being singled out because of my name by CBP, I'm comfortable enough that I could travel private for my US trips, which means the entire CBP experience is completely different (friendly chitchat and conversation as the CBP officers check our passports inside the aircraft itself). But with ICE roaming the streets, I'm not taking any chances of being deported to Libya or El Salvador or something. Which in turn means that we have severely halted all of our US investments, simply because I am unable to visit the country (!).
  • burnt-resistor 7mo ago
    Everyone not in the US, help us: boycott, divest, and sanction everything USAian to limit the power of the criminal regime and expedite regime change.
• masklinn 7mo ago
  Any business which exports especially to Canada (because oddly between tariffs and repeated threats of invasion US products and services are not seen in a positive light), likewise any business up or downstream of mostly immigrant workforces.
• Helloworldboy 7mo ago
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• nemo44x 7mo ago
  I have some Euro friends that went to Dubai instead because the USA is “too dangerous” right now. I wish them safe passage back, but yeesh talk about irrational perspective.
  • gambiting 7mo ago
    I mean yeah, that's a dumb choice, for sure - but our company rescheduled all work events from their normal location in US to Montreal, Canada. Hundreds of people each. Sure, a small drop in the ocean, but I'm sure we're not the only ones.
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    • orwin 7mo ago
      Yeah, my company delegation to a Vegas Conference (i don't know what they really do there tbh) got cut from 18 to two, with newly calibrated phone and empty laptops: no biometrics, no private keys, nothing, they don't even have access to their usual mail and have special addresses created just for the occasion. I think trust is _very_ low.
  • melenaboija 7mo ago
    Yeah tough choice right now, don't know which one is more autocratic and oligarchic.
  • dmos62 7mo ago
    Are you implying they knew that Iran would get bombed and would in retaliation bomb everyone across the Persian gulf?
    • wat10000 7mo ago
      They definitely should have been aware that it's a significant risk. It can't be predicted with certainty, but it was pretty obvious that there's a good possibility of something kicking off. I occasionally take trips where flights connecting in Dubai would otherwise be a good option, but I won't do it. Partly because I'm the wrong ethnicity (yeah, UAE is buddy-buddy with Israel now... so was Iran before the revolution), but the risk of war breaking out is a big part it. It's not like this is the first time in recent history that region has been somewhat unsafe for travelers. Or the second time, or third, or fiftieth.
• joe_mamba 7mo ago
  >Most of the world is not visiting the US right now Only right now? The US touristic cities have been and continue to be the most expensive places in the world to visit by far, so most of the planet will never visit the US out of cost reasons alone, regardless of their views on $CURRENT_POLITICS. Foreign tourism probably isn't large enough part of the US GDP to be making a dent in the US economy as a whole. @WarmWash: where is the dollar collapsing? USD:EUR and USD:GBP are on par with where they were 10 years ago. Hardly a collapse. The people who can't afford flights and boarding in Vegas, Santa Monica or NY won't get any massive benefit from current currency fluctuations.
  • WarmWash 7mo ago
    Well the dollar collapsing does make it much cheaper, for better or worse.
  • toddmorey 7mo ago
    It accounts for 3% of the economy and provides around 15 million jobs. That’s absolutely going to make a dent. And international tourism supports local tourism. I think Las Vegas will continue to be a shell of what it was until international tourism rebounds. BEA used to have these cool interactive tables on GDP by industry, but they’ve now been discontinued. It really feels like our current administration just does not like public data.
    • joe_mamba 7mo ago
      How much of that 3% is from foreign tourists versus domestic Americans? And what types of jobs are those 15 million? High paid high skilled or low pay low skilled? Because from what I can tell you about EU tourism jobs, most jobs tourism creates over here are low pay, hard labor, unskilled jobs, mostly filled by minimum wage migrant seasonal workers who then send the money back home, meaning the biggest beneficiaries from those jobs are the wealthy land/business owners who exploit cheap mirant labor, and not the local workforce who mostly suffers gentrification as they don't work in low pay tourist jobs and have to deal with increased rents from tourism on top. Plus, the massive black economy tourism creates where a lot of the money is under the table and avoids the tax man further compounds to the problem. So I doubt much of the US working class will suffer from a tourism stagnation. @HEmanZ: Did you read anything I said? Who's losing their job when almost all tourism jobs are done by foreign seasonal workers? The locals mostly aren't losing any job because they don't work in tourism due to pay and work conditions. Are you using the same logic to cry for the western workers making clothes and sneakers who lost their jobs to Asian sweatshops? Do you think they miss that type of jobs and would want them back?
• dmos62 7mo ago
  An acquaintance had his phone taken away at a US airport by a border guard (or whatever you call them) for inspection. The guard went through his messaging apps, read chats. I understand the necessity for occasional physical searches for contraband or what have you, but reading private conversations is beyond what I can stomach. That, together with the infamous case of some guy being forbidden entry to US because he had the wrong meme on his phone, feels like Soviet Union bullshit. Actually, now that I mention this, reading my messages is fine compared to looking through my photos. I find it insane that this is happening in a first world country. I'm not a fan of hyperboles, but, man, this is just like what I'm told Soviet Union was like. I think I'll be skipping events in US for the next decade or so.
  • nerdsniper 7mo ago
    Even a single CBP employee scrolling through your texts feels like too much to me. But when they take your phone, they're making copies of all the content in the phone and as much as possible from any apps/websites you're logged into. And that permanently lives in a database which doesn't afford you even the very thin veil of protection against misuse that a US citizen might be granted. It does all seem to be too much.
    • dmos62 7mo ago
      Curious, how do they make copies of everything? Do they just film the phone as they're scrolling it?
      • nerdsniper 7mo ago
        They connect it to a little box that hacks into the phone and downloads everything. Search for "Cellebrite Universal Forensic Extraction Device (UFED)" or "Grayshift GrayKey". The border agent doesn't have to know anything about phones/computers, it's just "plug in, press button". With modern phones, they really only work if you unlock your phone before handing it to them, and they'll make you do that. If you don't unlock the phone and let them walk off with it for awhile, they'll refuse you entry into the USA and send you back. US citizens are, of course, allowed in even if they refuse, but they will confiscate a citizen's phone in exchange for a custody receipt (Form 6051-D) and they are supposed to return it to the US citizen after they break into the phone / crack the encryption. If they can't crack it, they can choose to never return the phone to the US citizen. And it can be a very stressful situation in which citizens may not know what their rights are in the moment (or can't afford to replace their phone or lose access to it because how would you even get an Uber from the airport or coordinate a pickup if you don't have a phone). You can choose to bring burner phones or make sure your phone is freshly factory reset, but if you're a non-citizen that can also be a reason to be refused entry, and if you are a citizen that can "get you on a list", leading to getting "SSSS" stamped on every boarding pass for every flight you take, in every country in the world, for the next many years. If your boarding pass gets "SSSS" written on it, you will get pulled aside by security and all your bags get individually hand-searched prior to every single flight (even transfers/connections/layovers). Non-citizens are also sometimes asked for a list of your social media accounts and the passwords to their social media accounts. Refusing to provide your passwords can be used as a reason to refuse entry to the USA. If the USA believes you have a social media account that you failed to tell them about, that can also be a reason to refuse entry. Also, as of recently, visitors from 38 countries have to post a ~$10,000 bond just to be allowed into the USA. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-09/Test_Results_for_Mobile_Device_Acquisition_Tool_Cellebrite.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-09/Test_Results... https://cellebrite.com/en/products/ufed/ https://cellebrite.com/en/products/ufed/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayshift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grayshift
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• onion2k 7mo ago
  Allegedly the biggest package tour operator in the UK has seen a 72% drop in holidays to the US for 2026.
  • cjrp 7mo ago
    The number of promotional emails I get from Virgin and British Airways, offering pretty big discounts for US destinations, suggests this is true.
  • Luc 7mo ago
    That can't be right, the real figure is probably closer to 7%.
    • jazzypants 7mo ago
      LOL. Why not? I wouldn't want to travel here. We're arresting people off the streets for no reason. It's fucking horrible.
    • onion2k 7mo ago
      I don't think it's entirely due to US politics. The strength of the dollar against the pound, the perception of the US as not being a fashionable place to go, the fact that most news about the US in the UK media is either war, Epstein, or ICE, measured against some very competitive offers for other destinations that don't have those problems, makes me believe it's certainly a high percentage. FWIW in my teams (approx. 100 people, all in the UK) I can only think of one person who travelled to the US in the last year, and that was a trip to Disney they'd had booked in for a while. The rest have all been going to southern Europe, Japan etc.
      • Luc 7mo ago
        72% is just not a believable figure. I assume we're talking about TUI here, and they haven't announced anything about this 72% as far as I can tell.
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• Aurornis 7mo ago
  US tourism declined in 2025 but the number has been relatively flat since then. These recent job losses are probably not attributable to tourism since that’s unchanged year over year. I’m not saying tourism is not a factor or denying anecdotes about people not visiting the US, but I don’t think it’s the explanation for the February 2026 job losses.
  • irishcoffee 7mo ago
    > I’m not saying tourism is not a factor or denying anecdotes about people not visiting the US, but I don’t think it’s the explanation for the February 2026 job losses. This is accurate. This thread is people emoting. I get it, might as well let it out. Tourism being major part of the US GDP feels like countries whose GDP depends on tourism, projecting. I get that too, if that is the paradigm you live in every day, that is the lens you view things through. Tourism is probably affecting local economies at the margins, and there is a real loss there for those communities. The US GDP as a whole? Not even a rounding error.
    • kspacewalk2 7mo ago
      Most US tourism is domestic, the effect of a 12% drop in international tourism arrivals is a rounding error even for the US tourism industry as a whole, much less the US economy overall (tourism is 3% of total, compared to ~10% in other major tourist destinations like France). Emoting and wishful thinking is exactly right, and I say that as a Canadian who is participating in this boycott. I'm not doing it to hurt the US economy, because I know it won't matter one bit even if we all stay away. It'll hurt some border destinations, but will hardly register in most places. Facts are facts.
      • _DeadFred_ 7mo ago
        Tourism is a rounding error. Euros buying US arms are a rounding error. The benefits of a relationship with XYZ country is a rounding error. Any change we want to make to improve healthcare affordability is a rounding error. Everything around discussing improving housing affordability is a rounding error. The US economy is driven in part by coal which employs 40,000 people. Rounding errors have impacts and are part of policy discussion all the time. It only gets shut down with 'rounding error' when it's referring to average people issues without clout. Calling things rounding errors is the US equivalent speech as russian style apathy propaganda.
• Bombthecat 7mo ago
  I just flew to us from Euro, plane only business class was full, rest was half or even more empty... It's usually full. Reminded me of COVID time...
• Glyptodon 7mo ago
  Even tourism aside stuff like Tucson's Gem and Mineral show, basically an international commerce meetup, will suffer under the current situation and probably fade away for a different overseas alternative.
• inaros 7mo ago
  The BBC quality of reporting is down the drain. BBC World on the TV version is now unwatchable, specially since they got sued. Here is much better quality reporting from NBC News with a breakdown per industry at 02:01 in the video: "The U.S. economy lost 92,000 jobs in February, stoking labor market worries" - https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/2026-labor-market-set-begin-taking-shape-february-jobs-report-rcna261994 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/2026-labor-market-s... The most hysterically funny take on this is Cramer..( who else) and CBNC saying its AI...its NOT.
• CalRobert 7mo ago
  Conversely, I live in the Netherlands (though I am originally from California) and my entire summer is booked full of either family or friends visiting from the US - the friends are mostly here to get a feel for the place and see if they want to emigrate. I wonder how many Americans of means are vacationing abroad instead of domestically just to get some respite...
  • Uncle_Brumpus 7mo ago
    I had never vacationed abroad in my whole life, then last year I traveled separately to Amsterdam (with 2 nights in Groningen) and Paris. Both trips ended up being cheaper than similar domestic trips. Both times I was extremely sad to return home. I would love to emigrate to Europe. One of the nights in Amsterdam, I couldn't sleep and spent the night frantically researching how to legally emigrate.
    • CalRobert 7mo ago
      It’s getting insanely popular but the Dutch American friendship treaty is worth a look.
    • xhkkffbf 7mo ago
      That's a bit ironic. If all of the undocumented people in the US spent this much time trying to emigrate legally, the US wouldn't need ICE and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
      • mothballed 7mo ago
        Most illegal immigrants could spend the rest of their lives trying to immigrate legally and never make it, so that doesn't seem rational. Being undocumented is their best bet, as long as they don't break the criminal law once they're past the border and they make it 100 miles past the border their odds of being caught are next to nil. ICE is mostly catching people that either turn up in the legal system or are documented somewhere where they can be found.
• hyperpape 7mo ago
  I am a US citizen living in Portugal. I have the right to go to the US, live there, etc. I recently went back for a funeral, and I had to spend a moment reminding myself that it would be fine for me. For people who don't have my passport, I wouldn't feel comfortable telling them "it will be fine", though I would still tell a European "the odds of a problem are relatively low." But I couldn't in all honesty say "there's nothing to worry about."
  • Joeri 7mo ago
    I’ve read some horror stories already that are enough for me to decide that I will not go to the U.S. until sanity returns. Here is one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/21/karen-newton-valid-visa-detained-ice https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/21/karen-newton...
  • mothballed 7mo ago
    Being a USC is no assurance, I've sat in immigration jail cuffed and legs bound where every other person but me was brown and spoke another language. It is rather bizarre when it happens because none of them empathize with you because at the end of the day you know you have the right to enter and they are just fucking with you out of sadism, while for the others they are wondering if they'll be deported. Although generally after a shift or two they forget why they were fucking with you and you get released.
  • s_dev 7mo ago
    I have a US passport. I'm avoiding the US. ICE has already openly killed US passport holders. My Irish accent could get me in trouble or create a misunderstanding. Why risk anything like that?
  • pjmlp 7mo ago
    Just this week we had yet again someone in German TV telling their pleasure to be put into jail and sent back to Germany, due to her tatoos. Unfortunely my home country has too many fanboys of older times, aka Chega, so I hope you still manage a good time there.
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• forinti 7mo ago
  I'm really anticipating what the World Cup will look like. Sure, there will always be die-hard fans that will show up not matter what, but with so many teams, I bet we'll see empty stadiums for some matches.
  • debatem1 7mo ago
    I'm curious about the Iran match.
    • paganel 7mo ago
      Most probably Iran will not take part at the tournament.
  • mekoka 7mo ago
    > empty stadiums You mean full of AI spectators.
  • MattRix 7mo ago
    Nope. As someone who has tried to get tickets, most of the matches are sold out, and even the least desirable matches are quite expensive.
  • MulliMulli 7mo ago
    I'm 46 years old, this is the first world cup in my life that I will not watch.
• small_model 7mo ago
  I think the opposite, US is safer now with less crime/illegal immigrants so tourism is probably up, also with the 250th birthday and World Cup it's likely to be a record breaking year.
• DeathArrow 7mo ago
  Some are not willing to visit US, but some, like me, are more willing to visit US. I will probably going for a business trip but I am willing to extend my stay to visit Florida for the Nature, Montana and Wyoming because I enjoyed the atmosphere in Yellowstone and Longmire TV series and Texas because I like the Texans.
  • dnemmers 7mo ago
    How many months are you planning on visiting? Traveling between WY, TX, FL, and MT represents hundreds and hundreds of miles, and many hours. Also of note, all four of those states are ‘Conservative’ havens…
    • DeathArrow 7mo ago
      I will stay a few weeks. I will be visiting what is possible in that amount of time. I will probably be flying as driving would take too much time. I am interested in seeing some natural scenarios and also experiencing the American culture and way of living in mostly middle and small cities.
• lapcat 7mo ago
  This article mentions that leisure and hospitality are down: https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/06/economy/us-jobs-report-february https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/06/economy/us-jobs-report-februa...
• m4tthumphrey 7mo ago
  My partner and I were planning a West Coast trip for the World Cup this year for my 40th, but we decided to solely do Canada instead. Can't see how it won't end up being the best decision we've ever made.
• kspacewalk2 7mo ago
  The vast majority of tourism in the US (around 90%) is domestic. The total drop of inbound international tourism is about 12%. The effect is noise-level compared to larger economic forces at play. The US is just not an international tourism dependent country in any way.
  • _DeadFred_ 7mo ago
    Most industries take notice when they lose 12% of a market. This is Russian style propaganda to say 'ignore this it's nothing'. We have an insane amount of policy/policy discussion around coal which only employs 40,000 people. I live in a border state with Canada and this is having a huge impact for my community and those around us. I can't imaging it not impacting at least 40,000 Americans.
    • kspacewalk2 7mo ago
      It's not 12% of the market. It's 12% of 10% of the market. As I said, a Canadian boycott will hurt some (close to the) border destinations, but will hardly register in most places. I'm personally not crossing that border because it doesn't feel safe to do so, and because of the threats to our independence, but I know for sure it won't have a noticeable nationwide impact even if we all stay away, and the French and the Germans and the Japanese do too. Noticing objective reality and economic facts is not "Russian propaganda". Sure, if there's potential for using this situation for political gain it'll maybe make a political impact, but there will not be an economic one, not above the SNR of what else is going on.
      • _DeadFred_ 7mo ago
        Edit2: My bad if you felt attacked by me. That was my frustration with the current world presenting everything as too big to address, just give up and leave it be. It's 12% of the international market. That is the segment. Any business is going to pay attention when they lose 12% of a market segment. Travel is 2.5% of GDP, above agriculture (0.9%), mining (1.3%), and utilities (1.5%) so a very outsize industry. Straight 10% of that (international travel) makes the rounding error market segment 20% of the size of our entire ag industry. That is your 'rounding error' a segment that brings in 20% of the entire United States ag industry. Tourism is also 15 million jobs so a 'rounding error' to such a large industry isn't necessarily a 'rounding error' to our population. 10% of that would be 1.5 million jobs. The entire US agriculture industry employs 812,600. Again, the party that makes ridiculous claims for political impact is the one so concerned over 40,000 coal industry jobs but unconcerned about the fate of 1.5 million US workers because it's a small 'rounding error'. https://www.squaremouth.com/travel-advice/us-tourism-statistics https://www.squaremouth.com/travel-advice/us-tourism-statist... https://www.bls.gov/ooh/Farming-Fishing-and-Forestry/Agricultural-workers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/Farming-Fishing-and-Forestry/Agricul... https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/december-2024-international-inbound-visitor-spending https://www.trade.gov/feature-article/december-2024-internat... Edit: My bad if you felt attacked. Everything just gets hand waived away as too big to do anything about nodays. I don't buy it. I'm a software developer. I was mentored on the montra 'how do you eat an elephant? one bite at a time'. It's the only way to create complex software solutions, and it's the only way to address our complex world. We shouldn't waive things away as rounding errors when they are part of a complex system. Especially when you consider the US Federal system. If you lose all the border states (most tourism comes from Mexico/Canada) you can easily lose control of the Federal government.
• strangattractor 7mo ago
  Las Vegas tourism is experiencing a significant downturn in early 2026, with 2025 finishing with a 7.5% decline in visitors—the sharpest drop outside the pandemic since 1970. - Google AI
  • spogbiper 7mo ago
    interesting video I recently watched about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJcyDOjFLwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJcyDOjFLwQ tl;dw - They say Vegas visitor numbers are down, but profits are actually up. This is because the tourism industry there has refocused on higher end clientele
• chazburger 7mo ago
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• notatoad 7mo ago
  definitely, except that shedding jobs in february is unlikely to be tourism related. that's not typically a month in which tourism operators would be either hiring or firing.
• scoofy 7mo ago
  My partner works for a small, foreign-tourist focused hospitality company in the US. She says their numbers have fallen off a cliff in the last year. Apparently everyone is hoping that the World Cup will make up for the decline in tourism, but the are way below expectations of where they thought they would be by now.
• malshe 7mo ago
  I talked to someone who is hosting an international academic conference. Usually they have about 40% international attendees. This year it is like 3%.
• dragonwriter 7mo ago
  > I do not see the tourism industry mentioned here but I have to imagine that is a huge loss right now. “Tourism” is not a separately-tracked sector in the data, but would be reflected in several of the tracked sectors ("Leisure and hospitality” particularly, but slices of the tourism spend would be in several of the other tracked sectors.)
• elictronic 7mo ago
  Many of those losses have been included in past numbers. Be mindful this is February numbers and many of the events that would cause big changes to tourism have had time to settle. With that said, I’m sure the US Iran conflict is going to have all kinds of fun effects.
• anigbrowl 7mo ago
  True, but that loss has been in for a while. Tourism began hemorrhaging a year ago from a combination of tariffs and ICE policy and Trump's bizarre obsession with Greenland (and associated alienation of former allies).
• kjellsbells 7mo ago
  I see statistics like "inbound international tourism is down 8%" but I can't tell without context if that is just a typical drop or a cataclysmic decline. That said, I do see a lot of ads for domestic tourism to places that ordinarily would really have no need to advertise. Disney buying YouTube spots to persuade me,a US resident, to visit Florida seems remarkable. I suspect things are not rosy?
• ethics13 7mo ago
  1. -92K is a drop in a bucket. It's not what moves the needle for anything here, except looking at the trends. Revisions are the big swings now and those are not something the market likes -- which is why many are calling for a quarterly or even bi annual releases. 2. International Tourism in the US is not that big. Total international visits were expected to fall from 72.4 million (2024) to about 67.9 million (2025). https://www.ustravel.org/press/us-travel-forecast-2025-modes https://www.ustravel.org/press/us-travel-forecast-2025-modes... So visitors to the U.S. dropped about 6% in 2025. I've seen some crazy numbers in this chat. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fewer-foreigners-visited-us https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fewer-foreigners-visited-us... More than 1.5 billion tourists spent $11.7 trillion on hotels, cruises and flights last year, according to the data from the World Travel and Tourism Council. A fall of $12.5 billion is a lot but not something that will alter anything significant. The majority of the people that are declining to travel to US are Example drops recorded: Germany: ↓ 28% Spain: ↓ 25% UK: ↓ 18% Canada: ↓ 17% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_the_United_States 3. Some states and some countries are going the opposite (Argentina, Israel, two examples). https://skift.com/2025/12/29/us-international-travel-which-s https://skift.com/2025/12/29/us-international-travel-which-s... 4 .There is an offset by Americans traveling inside the US as well. https://www.thetravel.com/how-and-why-us-international-touri https://www.thetravel.com/how-and-why-us-international-touri... Overall, this is a small macro impact.