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The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis

The president of peace btw. I'm baffled at the lack of calls to boycott the Fifa world cup in US. And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror.

dfxm12 8mo ago
I can't believe the winner of the FIFA Peace Prize would do such a thing.
- tim333 8mo ago
  I for one can no longer take the FIFA Peace Prize seriously.
sourcegrift 8mo ago
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- Matl 8mo ago
  And all that Israel did to the Palestinians before October 7th.
- gryzzly 8mo ago
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- mirekrusin 8mo ago
  6 million kids? whole palestine has less total population, gaza has less than 1 million total population, no?
  - HeavyStorm 8mo ago
    2 mil, actually. But not 6 million kids...
    - mirekrusin 8mo ago
      true, palestine 5m+, west bank 3m+, gaza strip 2m+, gaza city <1m. palestine = west bank + gaza strip gaza city ⊂ gaza strip gaza = gaza strip
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- greekrich92 8mo ago
  You gotta be kidding
  - HeavyStorm 8mo ago
    He's right though. He's calling out that this is policy, not just Trump. Still however pulls the trigger commits the crime.
    - greekrich92 8mo ago
      Yes both parties are war mongers but I don't think that lets Trump off the hook even a little. This wasn't necessary or inevitable. Trump's not even really trying to justify it.
- IAmGraydon 8mo ago
  Not sure how you can say that considering that he did it without Congressional approval? It’s literally all him.
  - _heimdall 8mo ago
    Congress hasn't publicly supported the attack. That is an extremely important step, and required for any operation lasting more than 30 days if I'm not mistaken, but it doesn't mean a majority of Congress hasn't already made clear they do support this.
    - Schmerika 8mo ago
      Even some of the most "left" Dems, like Elizabeth Warren, were giving Trump an emphatic standing ovation as he talked about Iran in the SotU [0]. That was literally days after Warren posted on social media about "not sending our military into another endless war in the Middle East" [1]. Look at the comments on the post - they all believe her. It's really very silly. 0 - https://x.com/i/trending/2026793972086222987 https://x.com/i/trending/2026793972086222987 1 - https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/pfbid0BCLJaUvTRjZ3zjD6P7iPnzkcKjAUy6UEbsN8Tz9BhDb9PkiWaK4J9AdhhYNREa2rl https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/pfbid0BCLJaUv...
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 8mo ago
People still believe October 7th attacks weren't intentionally allowed? There is a lot of legitimate debate on this topic as the security failures are unusual and are still officially being discussed in Israel.
- xg15 8mo ago
  I see no "smoking gun" for this yet, but yeah, there are a lot of indicators, such as alarm calls by military observers being ignored beforehand, IDF units having been moved from the Gaza envelope to the West Bank before, etc. Of course, Netanyahu could counter those rumors by establishing a state commission if inquiry, but instead he fights tooth and nail to prevent this from happening...
  - xg15 8mo ago
    Also, the official explanation how October 7 could have happened honestly makes no sense to me. Somehow Hamas suddenly gained super powers on that day and could break through the "containment" that ostensibly had been perfectly adequate before. And because of their mysterious newfound strength, it was also imperative to bomb Gaza to bits and impossible to go back to the security situation as it was before...
    - gghhzzgghhzz 8mo ago
      The one I can't get over is that when Netanyahu was speaking at the UN, he claimed they have hacked mobile phones in Gaza to force broadcast the speech. Yet months of co-ordination and training between various disconnected groups / gangs / militias, was completely undetectable.
- kakacik 8mo ago
  Well either utter incompetence of every part of military of israel, or planned to allow it to happen. They even removed most of the guards spread across the region, those who were left were often only with pistols from what I've heard. They were closely monitoring hamas training for exactly this just before it happened. Sure, some incompetent russian fsb officer who got his place thanks to nepotism may miss that, but mosad, on border with one's mortal enemy? Give me a break, there is 0 logic and knowledge of the involved parties in such thinking. But its expected, say soviet union went to great lengths to make state terror official and legal, justified and all by th books. Not sure for whom since all knew what chaotic terror was happening all the time and there was often no logic in who was next, but the face of the regime needed to have everything straight and square. Anyway, those who actually care about the topic understand it well, its not some superbly hidden scheming bur rather facts in plain sight. The rest of folks simply don't care
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JasonADrury 8mo ago
>I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror. If October 7th is an "insane horror", what words will suffice to describe the decades of far worse crimes committed by Israel? Considering the scale of suffering caused by this conflict, October 7th was just a small blip.
- epolanski 8mo ago
  While I agree, and I find that Israel is on the wrong side of history, I'm not entirely into seeing this whole matter as black and white. I have the opinion that modern world history is mostly shaped around each countries/population traumas that echo through society till today. E.g. the biggest trauma of Ukrainians aren't even the events that are playing recently, but the Holodomor that happened 100 years ago. On the other hand the biggest trauma on Russian side is still the German invasion and war of annihilation happened during the second world war. As both sides see themselves as the victims and see the other side as the aggressor (or collaborator) and none has ever taken a step back to recognize their actions, they simply cannot communicate. The biggest trauma of China is the century of humiliation where western powers and Japan went above and beyond any decency in their actions. Thus, Chinese society and leadership is all about never being dictated conditions and terms by foreign powers. They see themselves as victims of events that they don't want to see ever again. The jewish Israeli population biggest trauma are centuries if not millenia of animosity, racism and violence coming from any side, last but definitely not least the Holocaust. Thus Israel is all about security at all costs, even if it means bending any sign of human decency. Again, they see themselves as victims and their actions will always go in that direction. Sadly many parts of the world, many countries, many societies, are simply too scarred and unable to take a step back from the victim mentality and recognize their own actions. Israelis are unable to recognize they are Goliath and not David from the longest time, they are unable and unwilling to say sorry, the last Israeli leader that tried, got assassinated by one of his own. The arabic/muslim population in the area too see themselves as victims of the post world war 2 events, and they are as well unable to recognize how scarred and traumatized is Israeli society from centuries of events, including modern ones where they had to survive against hostile Arab coalitions aimed to annihilate them. So, without a generation of leaders able to recognize and understand the role of history and those traumas and empathize with the other sides we're trapped in those loops of aggression.
yyyk 8mo ago
Being attacked should rule out 'war of aggression', but I guess the phrase seems to have lost any meaning in modern discourse. Apparently you can spend all the time calling 'death to X' and then get shocked when others take you seriously.
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- randomlurking 8mo ago
  > Being attacked should rule out 'war of aggression' It usually does. The argument here is about the proportion of the response.
  - dlubarov 8mo ago
    There were tens of thousands of Iranian rockets fired at Israel just since Oct 7. Hezbollah did the majority of the launches, but there's no doubt about who sent the rockets or for what purpose. What would be a proportional response to that?
  - WrongAssumption 8mo ago
    Proportion is always the argument concerning Israeli responses, never with anybody else.
- guerrilla 8mo ago
  You seem to have forgotten that the US attacked Iran first, which made this regime even possible in the first place.
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
    > You seem to have forgotten that the US attacked Iran first, which made this regime even possible in the first place. Bombing of US marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 was funded, and organized by Iran. Just take half day off, and read a bit on the role of Islamic Republic in Middle East in the past 40 years. I guarantee your stance of "US attacked first" will change to the "unclear" at the least.
qwertox 8mo ago
> The president of peace btw. Europe is to blame, according to him.
treetalker 8mo ago
I know I left that Nobel Peace Prize somewhere … but I can't find it because there's so much America First lying around. I know, I'll ask the aliens and the US men's hockey team if they've seen it.
- gpderetta 8mo ago
  surely you mean the coveted FIFA Peace Prize!
  - kraussvonespy 8mo ago
    Laser pointers are to cats as sparkly objects are to Trump.
  - 2Gkashmiri 8mo ago
    covfefe
jmyeet 8mo ago
What I would like people to understand is that this isn't a partisan issue. As bad as Trump is, American foreign policy is uniparty. Just look at the rhetoric from the Democratic Party leadership on an Iran strike. You have the likes of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries quibbling over the procedure not the policy, saying Congress needs to approve action, not that that action is belligerent or unwarranted. October 7 happened under a Democratic president and continued essentially unchanged under Trump. Biden consistently lied about "red lines" and seeing a ceasefire [1]. The problem here isn't one party or one persident, it's America's commitment to imperialism, of which Iran is just one aspect. Since WW2 especially there has been so much regime change done or aided by the US as well as military action, it has it's own Wikipedia page [2]. And what did Kamala Harris promise to change about Biden's Middle East policy? Absolutely nothing [3]. It's a big part of why she lost and the DNC don't want to admit that so they're trying to cover up the 2024 autopsy [4]. Don't fool yourself into thinking anything would be different under a Kamala Harris administration. [1]: https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/ https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-admin... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... [3]: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/8/8/biden-vs-harris-on-the-middle-east-same-dance-different-steps https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/8/8/biden-vs-harris-... [4]: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaz...
- patrickk 8mo ago
  So much of both parties is actually alike, underneath a window dressing of differences (eg woke/anti woke), and a complicit media which does its best to amplify and brainwash people into believing. When it comes to policies that actually affect the elites, the deep state military industrial complex/intelligence services or financial interests, it is a uniparty. Look at how Obama continued the war on terror for example, after running on “hope and change”.
  - cosmicgadget 8mo ago
    I am curious what your plan would be for Obama to extricate us from the GWOT and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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tw04 8mo ago
FIFA might be the one organization that can go toe to toe with Trump I’m corruption. And I mean that in the worst way possible. Qatar was using literal slave labor to get stadiums built and the organization just shrugged when informed like it was just another Tuesday. He could drop a nuke on Greenland tomorrow and they’d probably say they don’t want the sport to be tangled in political disagreements and if anything the World Cup can help everyone heal.
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- KPGv2 8mo ago
  "We haven't killed as many as the totalitarian religious fundamentalists" is a really shitty justification for your behavior.
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- lm28469 8mo ago
  So what? You still believe you're the world police?
  - yard2010 8mo ago
    You don't?
    - lm28469 8mo ago
      idk, some people start to describe your actions as "theatrical micro militarism", big words, big missiles, big postures, 0 impacts on anything meaningful... unless it comes to bully your allies, there you're very strong. Trump and his friends still live in the 60s and haven't noticed the world is changing fast, especially when it comes to how the US is perceived
  - lucasRW 8mo ago
    I am a simple man: this regime has threatened my family, shot at some of them; it has killed soldiers from my country some time ago (during terrorists attacks in Lebanon); arrested my wife for a loose hijab, before taking her into a van and beating her up. Luckily she was spared the "rape" which is allowed under islam in those very convenient circumstances were it is halal. That didn't really follow the "international rights" did it ?
ck2 8mo ago
if he has no consequences for this, and he won't it would be very bad to be Cuba right now considering when the midterms are and about how long it would take afterwards to move all the ships I mean why would he stop with Iran? All of the US is now a "constitution-free zone"
- no-name-here 8mo ago
  > it would be very bad to be Cuba right now Yesterday Trump proposed that the US take over Cuba. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-raises-possibility-friendly-takeover-cuba-coming-talks-havana-rcna261081 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-...
  - kraussvonespy 8mo ago
    Trump is basically a glorified realtor with the intellect of a single celled organism.
FrustratedMonky 8mo ago
Do Americans even read or care about Constitution anymore? Congress declares War. Even Bush sought out Congressional approval and had a resolution passed before invading Iraq. These guys are speed running the fascist playbook. Disregarding laws is one step.
- frankyreads 8mo ago
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- lm28469 8mo ago
  Almost a quarter of Americans are functional illiterate, and it's getting worse for new generations 50%+ have below sixth grade reading comprehension
  - watwut 8mo ago
    This thing is not actually getting worst "for generations". By available data, it was improving a lot for generations with only minor drop.
- guerrilla 8mo ago
  What does it matter? There won't be any consequences for it. He can just do this now and then later the supreme court or congress will say something that also won't matter. The trade war wasn't legal, was struck down, yet is still happening.
- watwut 8mo ago
  > Do Americans even read or care about Constitution anymore? Supreme court does not, so why should random Americans? It is not like the high but malleable ideals in it mattered. Its only use is to be able to claim in abstract "we have these freedoms and protection" while the court system renders them void in practice.
  - FrustratedMonky 8mo ago
    The hope would be if more Americans were reading it, and understanding, then they would hold leaders more accountable and we wouldn't even get in this situation. The founding fathers kind of assumed an educated population, even if debating and disagreeing, would come to better conclusions. This current method of "lets cut education so the population doesn't know what is going on" is really a long term plan for the religious right to take over. But they are thinking in decades and generations.
JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression To be fair, this is the new standard. Russia has promulgated it through its actions in Georgia and Ukraine. China with Tibet and Taiwan. America with Iraq, Venezuela and Iran. The old rules-based international order is dead, and with it Pax Americana.
- kome 8mo ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > insane that the West commits war crimes and people still comment: “It’s china’s fault” Insane that people see a list of common actions by Russia, China and America and still conclude Chinese victimhood.
    - nixon_why69 8mo ago
      Name one country China has attacked/invaded in the last 40 years.
      - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
        > Name one country China has attacked/invaded in the last 40 years India [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%...
        nixon_why69 8mo ago
        I said "attacked/invaded", not "had some fistfights at the border". Could we set the standard at "at least one piece of military equipment fired on people"? Bear in mind that we're comparing this to the USA and Israel's military record over the last 40 years.
kyrra 8mo ago
"Peace through strength" That's the policy being followed here. If you remember back a few weeks, Iran killed likely 30,000 of its own citizens. On top of that, they will not negotiate about medium and short-range missiles or stopping of nuclear production. A power like that that happily goes after it's neighbors, directly or indirectly is a threat to everyone.
- delecti 8mo ago
  Applying those particular criticisms to Iran and not Israel is a special kind of irony given the past ~75 years (but especially the last 2-3), and when the latter is presently attacking the former unprovoked.
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
    > and when the latter is presently attacking the former unprovoked. Did you miss the whole “axis of resistance” funded and driven by Iran?
    - delecti 8mo ago
      And what exactly does Iran feel the need to "resist" against?
      - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        Islamic Republic sees itself as a vehicle to spread Islamic revolution around the world. Just listen to their internal rhetoric, watch who they find and why, and it is clear. However, since it’s Trump who is bombing IR, people will defend the IR regardless of what the IR stands for.
- Braxton1980 8mo ago
  >A power like that that happily goes after it's neighbors, directly or indirectly is a threat to everyone. Is the US a threat because of its actions towards Venezuela?
TacticalCoder 8mo ago
> I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror. The islamic republic of Iran has been slaughtering tens of thousands of peaceful protesters who don't want to live under sharia laws anymore. Hunting wounded in hospitals and executing them. It's obvious there's a movement in Iran that tries to topple the islamist regime. In my city, in the EU, I see cars with iranian flags and I've seen iranian in exile call for the international community to do targetted strikes. I'm not defending the strikes but let's not make it sound like the US is launching nukes on peaceful monks in Tibet either: we're talking about evil islamist regime that slaughtered tens of thousands of unarmed people a few weeks ago.
- tim333 8mo ago
  I was going to say it's false equivalence to compare the Russian attack on Ukraine which was peaceful with a newly installed democratic leader and Iran which has an iffy dictatorship slaughtering thousands of unarmed protestors and exporting terrorism all over with aspirations to make that nuclear.
- mixmastamyk 8mo ago
  That was obviously exaggerated, think about the planning and resources needed to execute a stadium worth of people across a country. Not possible in a few days without extreme preparation, or bodies rotting everywhere.
lgregg 8mo ago
Pax Romana peace.
ozgung 8mo ago
I don't want to insult you but your president is a populist and a TV personality. He is not a policy maker, he is more like an actor. So your country went into war mode by changing the name of the Department of Defence to Department of War. This was not a cosmetic change. This means peace times are over and you are in war. Your government acts accordingly. Since you are still a democracy find those people who make your policy decisions. It's not that yellow man.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > find those people who make your policy decisions Genuine question: who put Iran in their policy portfolio?
  - gizajob 8mo ago
    Make a genuine guess…
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      I was hoping someone serious (versus the everything is AIPAC nutters) had put thought into it. Rubio and Walz have been Iran hawks. But I’m not yet convinced they were unilateral. Instead, it looks like a Rice-Powell alignment of vague interests with enough groupthink that dissenters weren't in the room.
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        JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
        > it literally is the AIPAC AIPAC isn't a person. Who is the person who convinced the President to order these strikes? It could be someone at AIPAC. There is no evidence for that, I suspect, because it's highly unlikely.
reliabilityguy 8mo ago
> And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I would argue that funding Axis of Resistance from Hezbollah to Houthis is aggression too. Let’s not pretend that IR minded their own business, and suddenly was under attack.
- jraby3 8mo ago
  Not to mention all the numerous threats to wipe Israel off the map by Iran, Hez etc. Let's not pretend Iran is innocent please. Or Hamas either.
  - FireBeyond 8mo ago
    Meanwhile "from the river to the sea" was actual Likud's election slogan before Hamas co-opted it. There are absolutely elements in Israel - and to be clear, in its government, with the ability to and motivation to make it happen, not just extremists posting on their forums - what are quite happy with the idea of razing both Gaza and the West Bank to the ground for settling. And their idea of what to do with the people displaced by this ranges from collateral damage to a shrug of the shoulders and making them someone else's problem.
  - hearsathought 8mo ago
    > Not to mention all the numerous threats to wipe Israel off the map by Iran, Hez etc. That's a well debunked lie told by zionists for decades. Nobody cares anymore. Besides it's "israel" wiping palestine off the map. > Let's not pretend Iran is innocent please. Or Hamas either. Far more innocent than israel.
    - kyboren 8mo ago
      > That's a well debunked lie told by zionists for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Square_Countdown_Clock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Square_Countdown_Clo... The clock was programmed to count down from 8,411 days, corresponding to a 2015 statement by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who predicted that "Israel won't exist in 25 years". He claimed in his statement that there will be nothing left of the Jewish state by 2040. The statement was made in the aftermath of a September 2015 nuclear deal that had a timeline of 25 years to complete. He predicted that it would not take that long for Israel to cease existing. Protesters annually chant "Death to Israel". The installation was part of a much broader demonstration involving over a million participants, where anti-Israel slogans and imagery were prominently featured.
stackedinserter 8mo ago
You say that like US and Israel hit Iceland or Portugal. Like, Iran wasn't source of terror on Middle East, funding terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbolla and Houthi. Like, Iran didn't make "death to Israel, death to America" their national idea. Remind us of Ukrainian rocket attacks on Russian cities, that provoked Ruso-Ukrainian war. You can't not know all of this, so you're either a hamas/russian shill or a useful idiot.
- fortran77 8mo ago
  I really hope our Government seeks out all these terrorists and Iran boosters on Hacker News who work in high tech. It’s a supply chain risk and none of them should be working.
- Hikikomori 8mo ago
  Israel makes sure Hamas is funded, are they a valid target now?
  - stackedinserter 8mo ago
    Are you talking about the support Israel provided for Gaza for decades, like electricity and water? They had good intentions, I would give Israel second chance.
    - Hikikomori 8mo ago
      About Netanyahu making sure Hamas receive money to make sure Palestine can't be unifies under PLO, you know the old divide and conquer strategy?
mytailorisrich 8mo ago
Look up what the Iranian regime has done to his people and to others, including US and European countries, since 1979 and you'll understand that the only reason US allies are cautious and not fully behind this campaign is that toppling the regime means high uncertainty as to what would replace it...
- axus 8mo ago
  I know some people weren't alive then, but the invasion of Iraq started off pretty good for the US... Sort of how Russia imagined it's march on Kiev would go (!3) 4 years ago. What replaced Sadaam was the US, and that went horribly for everyone.
  - breppp 8mo ago
    If you know the history of the Iraq War you would know a lot of the reasons it went bad was Iranian involvement
johanvts 8mo ago
Ukraine is a democracy with a legitimate leadership that was not planning to acquire nukes and has no history of planning to remove Russia from the map. To suggest that this attack on Iran is the same as the Russian invasion of Ukraine is very misguided.
- m_ke 8mo ago
  You forgot the genocide they have going and the current attempt to starve Cuba into submission with their little "blockade"
  - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
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    - hiddencost 8mo ago
      They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals, they kill journalists on purpose, they have systematically blocked aid. Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You're just lying.
      - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
        > They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals If a civilian facility is used for military purposes it is a legitimate target. Ukranians also bomb schools and hospitals. Are Ukranians commit genocide? If a hospital is never be attacked, what prevents militaries simply use hospitals as military bases? It's like the ultimate "get out of jail" free card. > they kill journalists on purpose US also did in Iraq. And? Does it make US's invasion of Iraq a genocide? Ukranians killed Russian journalists too. Does it make the war in Ukraine a genocide? > they have systematically blocked aid Egypt did so as well. Moreover, despite its international obligations, Egypt refused to accept Palestinian refugees as if it wanted a lot of civilians to die. > Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You mean politicians pandering to their base? > You're just lying. Sure.
readitalready 8mo ago
The war started in 1948 by Europeans attempting to attack and invade Palestine to grab their land to build their mediterranean resort homes. The war never stopped. There was no surrender documents signed. The foreign invaders have always been in the state of war. It's why their colonial outposts are required to have bomb shelters. Not sure why you would consider October 7 an "insane horror" when the foreign invaders literally burned children alive in 1948 by throwing them into ovens, as happened in the Deir Yassin massacre. Or the rape camps of Tantura. There were 15,000 innocent civilians killed by the invaders when they started this war. I still can't believe we have to fight Israel's war for them. First the Iraq war and now the Iran war.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > war started in 1948 It's the Middle East. The birthplace of civilisation. Everyone can legitimately claim everyone else started every conflict in the region because war in Mesopotamia and the Levant literally predates history. At the end of the day I believe in the primacy of the living. Crimes committed by and against those alive today are infinitely more imporant than those committed by and against their ancestors. I've seen folks take this shit back to King Herod and the Parthians, and it's not a bad historical argument. (The Romans intervened.) It's practically counterproductive, however, inasmuch as focussing on blame versus harm reduction and prevention is counterproductive in any conflict resolution. One of the separations between the rich and peaceful and the poor and permanently warring is in capacities to forgive. Japan wouldn't be a better place if they committed terrorist attacks against their American occupiers, or decided that they needed blood for Nagasaki and Hiroshima. And Americans wouldn't be happier if we decided to lob a nuke at the British in WWII for burning down our White House in the War of 1812. (France didn't ultimately profit from the Treaty of Versailles.) > Not sure why you would consider October 7 an "insane horror" when No. Don't do this to yourself. I get the temptation. But it is the path to becoming a monster. October 7 was an insane horror. So were other things. Atrocities aren't signed; they don't cancel out, just accumulate.
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barbazoo 8mo ago
Surely this was approved by the Board of Peace. /s
throwpoaster 8mo ago
Do you support the Iranian regime?
underlipton 8mo ago
>I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror. More than twice as many people died in Puerto Rico during Hurricane Maria than on October 7th. My regard is thus: lobs less than half an intercontinental ballistic roll of paper towels at Tel Aviv
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Svoka 8mo ago
As Ukrainian, I don't remember launching missiles on russia, or, in fact, any aggression towards russia. In its turn russia did recognize borders with Ukraine in multiple treaties, and on top of that security guarantees promised in exchange of 3rd by the size world nuclear arsenal. Just a quick reminder, that Iranian and Hamas policy towards Israel is extermination. Palestine was never recognized by Israel or USA. Israel is not recognized by Iran. So tell me, what parallels do you see between these conflicts? Human misery and destruction is hardly a common ground, and even in that, scale is incomparable.

dfxm12 8mo ago

I can't believe the winner of the FIFA Peace Prize would do such a thing.

tim333 8mo ago
I for one can no longer take the FIFA Peace Prize seriously.

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Matl 8mo ago
And all that Israel did to the Palestinians before October 7th.
gryzzly 8mo ago
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mirekrusin 8mo ago
6 million kids? whole palestine has less total population, gaza has less than 1 million total population, no?
- HeavyStorm 8mo ago
  2 mil, actually. But not 6 million kids...
  - mirekrusin 8mo ago
    true, palestine 5m+, west bank 3m+, gaza strip 2m+, gaza city <1m. palestine = west bank + gaza strip gaza city ⊂ gaza strip gaza = gaza strip

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greekrich92 8mo ago
You gotta be kidding
- HeavyStorm 8mo ago
  He's right though. He's calling out that this is policy, not just Trump. Still however pulls the trigger commits the crime.
  - greekrich92 8mo ago
    Yes both parties are war mongers but I don't think that lets Trump off the hook even a little. This wasn't necessary or inevitable. Trump's not even really trying to justify it.
IAmGraydon 8mo ago
Not sure how you can say that considering that he did it without Congressional approval? It’s literally all him.
- _heimdall 8mo ago
  Congress hasn't publicly supported the attack. That is an extremely important step, and required for any operation lasting more than 30 days if I'm not mistaken, but it doesn't mean a majority of Congress hasn't already made clear they do support this.
  - Schmerika 8mo ago
    Even some of the most "left" Dems, like Elizabeth Warren, were giving Trump an emphatic standing ovation as he talked about Iran in the SotU [0]. That was literally days after Warren posted on social media about "not sending our military into another endless war in the Middle East" [1]. Look at the comments on the post - they all believe her. It's really very silly. 0 - https://x.com/i/trending/2026793972086222987 https://x.com/i/trending/2026793972086222987 1 - https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/pfbid0BCLJaUvTRjZ3zjD6P7iPnzkcKjAUy6UEbsN8Tz9BhDb9PkiWaK4J9AdhhYNREa2rl https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/pfbid0BCLJaUv...

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 8mo ago

People still believe October 7th attacks weren't intentionally allowed? There is a lot of legitimate debate on this topic as the security failures are unusual and are still officially being discussed in Israel.

xg15 8mo ago
I see no "smoking gun" for this yet, but yeah, there are a lot of indicators, such as alarm calls by military observers being ignored beforehand, IDF units having been moved from the Gaza envelope to the West Bank before, etc. Of course, Netanyahu could counter those rumors by establishing a state commission if inquiry, but instead he fights tooth and nail to prevent this from happening...
- xg15 8mo ago
  Also, the official explanation how October 7 could have happened honestly makes no sense to me. Somehow Hamas suddenly gained super powers on that day and could break through the "containment" that ostensibly had been perfectly adequate before. And because of their mysterious newfound strength, it was also imperative to bomb Gaza to bits and impossible to go back to the security situation as it was before...
  - gghhzzgghhzz 8mo ago
    The one I can't get over is that when Netanyahu was speaking at the UN, he claimed they have hacked mobile phones in Gaza to force broadcast the speech. Yet months of co-ordination and training between various disconnected groups / gangs / militias, was completely undetectable.
kakacik 8mo ago
Well either utter incompetence of every part of military of israel, or planned to allow it to happen. They even removed most of the guards spread across the region, those who were left were often only with pistols from what I've heard. They were closely monitoring hamas training for exactly this just before it happened. Sure, some incompetent russian fsb officer who got his place thanks to nepotism may miss that, but mosad, on border with one's mortal enemy? Give me a break, there is 0 logic and knowledge of the involved parties in such thinking. But its expected, say soviet union went to great lengths to make state terror official and legal, justified and all by th books. Not sure for whom since all knew what chaotic terror was happening all the time and there was often no logic in who was next, but the face of the regime needed to have everything straight and square. Anyway, those who actually care about the topic understand it well, its not some superbly hidden scheming bur rather facts in plain sight. The rest of folks simply don't care

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JasonADrury 8mo ago

>I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror. If October 7th is an "insane horror", what words will suffice to describe the decades of far worse crimes committed by Israel? Considering the scale of suffering caused by this conflict, October 7th was just a small blip.

epolanski 8mo ago
While I agree, and I find that Israel is on the wrong side of history, I'm not entirely into seeing this whole matter as black and white. I have the opinion that modern world history is mostly shaped around each countries/population traumas that echo through society till today. E.g. the biggest trauma of Ukrainians aren't even the events that are playing recently, but the Holodomor that happened 100 years ago. On the other hand the biggest trauma on Russian side is still the German invasion and war of annihilation happened during the second world war. As both sides see themselves as the victims and see the other side as the aggressor (or collaborator) and none has ever taken a step back to recognize their actions, they simply cannot communicate. The biggest trauma of China is the century of humiliation where western powers and Japan went above and beyond any decency in their actions. Thus, Chinese society and leadership is all about never being dictated conditions and terms by foreign powers. They see themselves as victims of events that they don't want to see ever again. The jewish Israeli population biggest trauma are centuries if not millenia of animosity, racism and violence coming from any side, last but definitely not least the Holocaust. Thus Israel is all about security at all costs, even if it means bending any sign of human decency. Again, they see themselves as victims and their actions will always go in that direction. Sadly many parts of the world, many countries, many societies, are simply too scarred and unable to take a step back from the victim mentality and recognize their own actions. Israelis are unable to recognize they are Goliath and not David from the longest time, they are unable and unwilling to say sorry, the last Israeli leader that tried, got assassinated by one of his own. The arabic/muslim population in the area too see themselves as victims of the post world war 2 events, and they are as well unable to recognize how scarred and traumatized is Israeli society from centuries of events, including modern ones where they had to survive against hostile Arab coalitions aimed to annihilate them. So, without a generation of leaders able to recognize and understand the role of history and those traumas and empathize with the other sides we're trapped in those loops of aggression.

yyyk 8mo ago

Being attacked should rule out 'war of aggression', but I guess the phrase seems to have lost any meaning in modern discourse. Apparently you can spend all the time calling 'death to X' and then get shocked when others take you seriously.

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randomlurking 8mo ago
> Being attacked should rule out 'war of aggression' It usually does. The argument here is about the proportion of the response.
- dlubarov 8mo ago
  There were tens of thousands of Iranian rockets fired at Israel just since Oct 7. Hezbollah did the majority of the launches, but there's no doubt about who sent the rockets or for what purpose. What would be a proportional response to that?
- WrongAssumption 8mo ago
  Proportion is always the argument concerning Israeli responses, never with anybody else.
guerrilla 8mo ago
You seem to have forgotten that the US attacked Iran first, which made this regime even possible in the first place.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
  > You seem to have forgotten that the US attacked Iran first, which made this regime even possible in the first place. Bombing of US marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 was funded, and organized by Iran. Just take half day off, and read a bit on the role of Islamic Republic in Middle East in the past 40 years. I guarantee your stance of "US attacked first" will change to the "unclear" at the least.

qwertox 8mo ago

> The president of peace btw. Europe is to blame, according to him.

treetalker 8mo ago

I know I left that Nobel Peace Prize somewhere … but I can't find it because there's so much America First lying around. I know, I'll ask the aliens and the US men's hockey team if they've seen it.

gpderetta 8mo ago
surely you mean the coveted FIFA Peace Prize!
- kraussvonespy 8mo ago
  Laser pointers are to cats as sparkly objects are to Trump.
- 2Gkashmiri 8mo ago
  covfefe

jmyeet 8mo ago

What I would like people to understand is that this isn't a partisan issue. As bad as Trump is, American foreign policy is uniparty. Just look at the rhetoric from the Democratic Party leadership on an Iran strike. You have the likes of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries quibbling over the procedure not the policy, saying Congress needs to approve action, not that that action is belligerent or unwarranted. October 7 happened under a Democratic president and continued essentially unchanged under Trump. Biden consistently lied about "red lines" and seeing a ceasefire [1]. The problem here isn't one party or one persident, it's America's commitment to imperialism, of which Iran is just one aspect. Since WW2 especially there has been so much regime change done or aided by the US as well as military action, it has it's own Wikipedia page [2]. And what did Kamala Harris promise to change about Biden's Middle East policy? Absolutely nothing [3]. It's a big part of why she lost and the DNC don't want to admit that so they're trying to cover up the 2024 autopsy [4]. Don't fool yourself into thinking anything would be different under a Kamala Harris administration. [1]: https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/ https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-admin... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... [3]: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/8/8/biden-vs-harris-on-the-middle-east-same-dance-different-steps https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/8/8/biden-vs-harris-... [4]: https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaz...

patrickk 8mo ago
So much of both parties is actually alike, underneath a window dressing of differences (eg woke/anti woke), and a complicit media which does its best to amplify and brainwash people into believing. When it comes to policies that actually affect the elites, the deep state military industrial complex/intelligence services or financial interests, it is a uniparty. Look at how Obama continued the war on terror for example, after running on “hope and change”.
- cosmicgadget 8mo ago
  I am curious what your plan would be for Obama to extricate us from the GWOT and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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tw04 8mo ago

FIFA might be the one organization that can go toe to toe with Trump I’m corruption. And I mean that in the worst way possible. Qatar was using literal slave labor to get stadiums built and the organization just shrugged when informed like it was just another Tuesday. He could drop a nuke on Greenland tomorrow and they’d probably say they don’t want the sport to be tangled in political disagreements and if anything the World Cup can help everyone heal.

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KPGv2 8mo ago
"We haven't killed as many as the totalitarian religious fundamentalists" is a really shitty justification for your behavior.
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lm28469 8mo ago
So what? You still believe you're the world police?
- yard2010 8mo ago
  You don't?
  - lm28469 8mo ago
    idk, some people start to describe your actions as "theatrical micro militarism", big words, big missiles, big postures, 0 impacts on anything meaningful... unless it comes to bully your allies, there you're very strong. Trump and his friends still live in the 60s and haven't noticed the world is changing fast, especially when it comes to how the US is perceived
- lucasRW 8mo ago
  I am a simple man: this regime has threatened my family, shot at some of them; it has killed soldiers from my country some time ago (during terrorists attacks in Lebanon); arrested my wife for a loose hijab, before taking her into a van and beating her up. Luckily she was spared the "rape" which is allowed under islam in those very convenient circumstances were it is halal. That didn't really follow the "international rights" did it ?

ck2 8mo ago

if he has no consequences for this, and he won't it would be very bad to be Cuba right now considering when the midterms are and about how long it would take afterwards to move all the ships I mean why would he stop with Iran? All of the US is now a "constitution-free zone"

no-name-here 8mo ago
> it would be very bad to be Cuba right now Yesterday Trump proposed that the US take over Cuba. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-raises-possibility-friendly-takeover-cuba-coming-talks-havana-rcna261081 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-...
- kraussvonespy 8mo ago
  Trump is basically a glorified realtor with the intellect of a single celled organism.

FrustratedMonky 8mo ago

Do Americans even read or care about Constitution anymore? Congress declares War. Even Bush sought out Congressional approval and had a resolution passed before invading Iraq. These guys are speed running the fascist playbook. Disregarding laws is one step.

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lm28469 8mo ago
Almost a quarter of Americans are functional illiterate, and it's getting worse for new generations 50%+ have below sixth grade reading comprehension
- watwut 8mo ago
  This thing is not actually getting worst "for generations". By available data, it was improving a lot for generations with only minor drop.
guerrilla 8mo ago
What does it matter? There won't be any consequences for it. He can just do this now and then later the supreme court or congress will say something that also won't matter. The trade war wasn't legal, was struck down, yet is still happening.
watwut 8mo ago
> Do Americans even read or care about Constitution anymore? Supreme court does not, so why should random Americans? It is not like the high but malleable ideals in it mattered. Its only use is to be able to claim in abstract "we have these freedoms and protection" while the court system renders them void in practice.
- FrustratedMonky 8mo ago
  The hope would be if more Americans were reading it, and understanding, then they would hold leaders more accountable and we wouldn't even get in this situation. The founding fathers kind of assumed an educated population, even if debating and disagreeing, would come to better conclusions. This current method of "lets cut education so the population doesn't know what is going on" is really a long term plan for the religious right to take over. But they are thinking in decades and generations.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago

> And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression To be fair, this is the new standard. Russia has promulgated it through its actions in Georgia and Ukraine. China with Tibet and Taiwan. America with Iraq, Venezuela and Iran. The old rules-based international order is dead, and with it Pax Americana.

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- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
  > insane that the West commits war crimes and people still comment: “It’s china’s fault” Insane that people see a list of common actions by Russia, China and America and still conclude Chinese victimhood.
  - nixon_why69 8mo ago
    Name one country China has attacked/invaded in the last 40 years.
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > Name one country China has attacked/invaded in the last 40 years India [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%...
      - nixon_why69 8mo ago
        I said "attacked/invaded", not "had some fistfights at the border". Could we set the standard at "at least one piece of military equipment fired on people"? Bear in mind that we're comparing this to the USA and Israel's military record over the last 40 years.

kyrra 8mo ago

"Peace through strength" That's the policy being followed here. If you remember back a few weeks, Iran killed likely 30,000 of its own citizens. On top of that, they will not negotiate about medium and short-range missiles or stopping of nuclear production. A power like that that happily goes after it's neighbors, directly or indirectly is a threat to everyone.

delecti 8mo ago
Applying those particular criticisms to Iran and not Israel is a special kind of irony given the past ~75 years (but especially the last 2-3), and when the latter is presently attacking the former unprovoked.
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
  > and when the latter is presently attacking the former unprovoked. Did you miss the whole “axis of resistance” funded and driven by Iran?
  - delecti 8mo ago
    And what exactly does Iran feel the need to "resist" against?
    - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
      Islamic Republic sees itself as a vehicle to spread Islamic revolution around the world. Just listen to their internal rhetoric, watch who they find and why, and it is clear. However, since it’s Trump who is bombing IR, people will defend the IR regardless of what the IR stands for.
Braxton1980 8mo ago
>A power like that that happily goes after it's neighbors, directly or indirectly is a threat to everyone. Is the US a threat because of its actions towards Venezuela?

TacticalCoder 8mo ago

> I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror. The islamic republic of Iran has been slaughtering tens of thousands of peaceful protesters who don't want to live under sharia laws anymore. Hunting wounded in hospitals and executing them. It's obvious there's a movement in Iran that tries to topple the islamist regime. In my city, in the EU, I see cars with iranian flags and I've seen iranian in exile call for the international community to do targetted strikes. I'm not defending the strikes but let's not make it sound like the US is launching nukes on peaceful monks in Tibet either: we're talking about evil islamist regime that slaughtered tens of thousands of unarmed people a few weeks ago.

tim333 8mo ago
I was going to say it's false equivalence to compare the Russian attack on Ukraine which was peaceful with a newly installed democratic leader and Iran which has an iffy dictatorship slaughtering thousands of unarmed protestors and exporting terrorism all over with aspirations to make that nuclear.
mixmastamyk 8mo ago
That was obviously exaggerated, think about the planning and resources needed to execute a stadium worth of people across a country. Not possible in a few days without extreme preparation, or bodies rotting everywhere.

lgregg 8mo ago

Pax Romana peace.

ozgung 8mo ago

I don't want to insult you but your president is a populist and a TV personality. He is not a policy maker, he is more like an actor. So your country went into war mode by changing the name of the Department of Defence to Department of War. This was not a cosmetic change. This means peace times are over and you are in war. Your government acts accordingly. Since you are still a democracy find those people who make your policy decisions. It's not that yellow man.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> find those people who make your policy decisions Genuine question: who put Iran in their policy portfolio?
- gizajob 8mo ago
  Make a genuine guess…
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    I was hoping someone serious (versus the everything is AIPAC nutters) had put thought into it. Rubio and Walz have been Iran hawks. But I’m not yet convinced they were unilateral. Instead, it looks like a Rice-Powell alignment of vague interests with enough groupthink that dissenters weren't in the room.
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        > it literally is the AIPAC AIPAC isn't a person. Who is the person who convinced the President to order these strikes? It could be someone at AIPAC. There is no evidence for that, I suspect, because it's highly unlikely.

reliabilityguy 8mo ago

> And at the double standards applied to Russians and Israelis in their wars of aggression. I would argue that funding Axis of Resistance from Hezbollah to Houthis is aggression too. Let’s not pretend that IR minded their own business, and suddenly was under attack.

jraby3 8mo ago
Not to mention all the numerous threats to wipe Israel off the map by Iran, Hez etc. Let's not pretend Iran is innocent please. Or Hamas either.
- FireBeyond 8mo ago
  Meanwhile "from the river to the sea" was actual Likud's election slogan before Hamas co-opted it. There are absolutely elements in Israel - and to be clear, in its government, with the ability to and motivation to make it happen, not just extremists posting on their forums - what are quite happy with the idea of razing both Gaza and the West Bank to the ground for settling. And their idea of what to do with the people displaced by this ranges from collateral damage to a shrug of the shoulders and making them someone else's problem.
- hearsathought 8mo ago
  > Not to mention all the numerous threats to wipe Israel off the map by Iran, Hez etc. That's a well debunked lie told by zionists for decades. Nobody cares anymore. Besides it's "israel" wiping palestine off the map. > Let's not pretend Iran is innocent please. Or Hamas either. Far more innocent than israel.
  - kyboren 8mo ago
    > That's a well debunked lie told by zionists for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Square_Countdown_Clock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Square_Countdown_Clo... The clock was programmed to count down from 8,411 days, corresponding to a 2015 statement by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who predicted that "Israel won't exist in 25 years". He claimed in his statement that there will be nothing left of the Jewish state by 2040. The statement was made in the aftermath of a September 2015 nuclear deal that had a timeline of 25 years to complete. He predicted that it would not take that long for Israel to cease existing. Protesters annually chant "Death to Israel". The installation was part of a much broader demonstration involving over a million participants, where anti-Israel slogans and imagery were prominently featured.

stackedinserter 8mo ago

You say that like US and Israel hit Iceland or Portugal. Like, Iran wasn't source of terror on Middle East, funding terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbolla and Houthi. Like, Iran didn't make "death to Israel, death to America" their national idea. Remind us of Ukrainian rocket attacks on Russian cities, that provoked Ruso-Ukrainian war. You can't not know all of this, so you're either a hamas/russian shill or a useful idiot.

fortran77 8mo ago
I really hope our Government seeks out all these terrorists and Iran boosters on Hacker News who work in high tech. It’s a supply chain risk and none of them should be working.
Hikikomori 8mo ago
Israel makes sure Hamas is funded, are they a valid target now?
- stackedinserter 8mo ago
  Are you talking about the support Israel provided for Gaza for decades, like electricity and water? They had good intentions, I would give Israel second chance.
  - Hikikomori 8mo ago
    About Netanyahu making sure Hamas receive money to make sure Palestine can't be unifies under PLO, you know the old divide and conquer strategy?

mytailorisrich 8mo ago

Look up what the Iranian regime has done to his people and to others, including US and European countries, since 1979 and you'll understand that the only reason US allies are cautious and not fully behind this campaign is that toppling the regime means high uncertainty as to what would replace it...

axus 8mo ago
I know some people weren't alive then, but the invasion of Iraq started off pretty good for the US... Sort of how Russia imagined it's march on Kiev would go (!3) 4 years ago. What replaced Sadaam was the US, and that went horribly for everyone.
- breppp 8mo ago
  If you know the history of the Iraq War you would know a lot of the reasons it went bad was Iranian involvement

johanvts 8mo ago

Ukraine is a democracy with a legitimate leadership that was not planning to acquire nukes and has no history of planning to remove Russia from the map. To suggest that this attack on Iran is the same as the Russian invasion of Ukraine is very misguided.

m_ke 8mo ago
You forgot the genocide they have going and the current attempt to starve Cuba into submission with their little "blockade"
- reliabilityguy 8mo ago
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  - hiddencost 8mo ago
    They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals, they kill journalists on purpose, they have systematically blocked aid. Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You're just lying.
    - reliabilityguy 8mo ago
      > They're engaged in willful destruction of hospitals If a civilian facility is used for military purposes it is a legitimate target. Ukranians also bomb schools and hospitals. Are Ukranians commit genocide? If a hospital is never be attacked, what prevents militaries simply use hospitals as military bases? It's like the ultimate "get out of jail" free card. > they kill journalists on purpose US also did in Iraq. And? Does it make US's invasion of Iraq a genocide? Ukranians killed Russian journalists too. Does it make the war in Ukraine a genocide? > they have systematically blocked aid Egypt did so as well. Moreover, despite its international obligations, Egypt refused to accept Palestinian refugees as if it wanted a lot of civilians to die. > Their friend minister recently declared an intent to eliminate all Palestinian territory. You mean politicians pandering to their base? > You're just lying. Sure.

readitalready 8mo ago

The war started in 1948 by Europeans attempting to attack and invade Palestine to grab their land to build their mediterranean resort homes. The war never stopped. There was no surrender documents signed. The foreign invaders have always been in the state of war. It's why their colonial outposts are required to have bomb shelters. Not sure why you would consider October 7 an "insane horror" when the foreign invaders literally burned children alive in 1948 by throwing them into ovens, as happened in the Deir Yassin massacre. Or the rape camps of Tantura. There were 15,000 innocent civilians killed by the invaders when they started this war. I still can't believe we have to fight Israel's war for them. First the Iraq war and now the Iran war.

JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
> war started in 1948 It's the Middle East. The birthplace of civilisation. Everyone can legitimately claim everyone else started every conflict in the region because war in Mesopotamia and the Levant literally predates history. At the end of the day I believe in the primacy of the living. Crimes committed by and against those alive today are infinitely more imporant than those committed by and against their ancestors. I've seen folks take this shit back to King Herod and the Parthians, and it's not a bad historical argument. (The Romans intervened.) It's practically counterproductive, however, inasmuch as focussing on blame versus harm reduction and prevention is counterproductive in any conflict resolution. One of the separations between the rich and peaceful and the poor and permanently warring is in capacities to forgive. Japan wouldn't be a better place if they committed terrorist attacks against their American occupiers, or decided that they needed blood for Nagasaki and Hiroshima. And Americans wouldn't be happier if we decided to lob a nuke at the British in WWII for burning down our White House in the War of 1812. (France didn't ultimately profit from the Treaty of Versailles.) > Not sure why you would consider October 7 an "insane horror" when No. Don't do this to yourself. I get the temptation. But it is the path to becoming a monster. October 7 was an insane horror. So were other things. Atrocities aren't signed; they don't cancel out, just accumulate.
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barbazoo 8mo ago

Surely this was approved by the Board of Peace. /s

throwpoaster 8mo ago

Do you support the Iranian regime?

underlipton 8mo ago

>I guess Israel can play the "October 7th" card at least which was an insane horror. More than twice as many people died in Puerto Rico during Hurricane Maria than on October 7th. My regard is thus: lobs less than half an intercontinental ballistic roll of paper towels at Tel Aviv

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Svoka 8mo ago

As Ukrainian, I don't remember launching missiles on russia, or, in fact, any aggression towards russia. In its turn russia did recognize borders with Ukraine in multiple treaties, and on top of that security guarantees promised in exchange of 3rd by the size world nuclear arsenal. Just a quick reminder, that Iranian and Hamas policy towards Israel is extermination. Palestine was never recognized by Israel or USA. Israel is not recognized by Iran. So tell me, what parallels do you see between these conflicts? Human misery and destruction is hardly a common ground, and even in that, scale is incomparable.