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The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

650 points by fajmccain 9mo ago

unstyledcontent 9mo ago
Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. But eventually these same tools will be used against us.
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- jordanpg 9mo ago
  Along the same lines, anyone who thinks this is just about immigration should ask themselves what all these tens of thousands of ICE agents are going to do when all the immigrants are finally deported. Are they just going to go home and go back to their old jobs? Or do you think the Administration is going to find something else for them to do.
  - Aurornis 9mo ago
    Deportations aren’t all that high. The raids are theater. Thinking that they’re going to deport all the immigrants isn’t realistic or supported by the numbers. Immigration control is a constant ongoing operation in every country. This administration is just making a big show out of it for political points.
    - IncreasePosts 9mo ago
      I don't think it is just political points. Illegal Mexican border crossings crashed on the run up to Trump taking presidency. Signaling you'll get captured and deported wherever you are, I'm sure if keeping a lot of people who would be illegal immigrants away.
    - zxcvasd 9mo ago
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    - jordanpg 9mo ago
      My point still stands. The country will obviously not be permanently swarming with ICE agents violently grabbing immigrants off the street. There is going to be mission creep. If this isn't obvious then I don't know what to else I can say to convince you. Immigration is clearly just a pretext to establishing a national police force. Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon.
      - sgc 9mo ago
        It looked like your jeans might be knock-offs. Customs violation. Time to flashbang your kids.
      - drstewart 9mo ago
        >Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon. And when it doesn't, will you remember the wild accusations you made or off making others with no accountability?
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo ago
      Hitler's regime didn't start out making death camps for Jews. The initial plan was to deport them, with camps for holding and processing. That was unrealistic given the volume of people to process, which led to the detention and work camps converting to death camps. This is relevant to mention because the number of people in ICE detention right now is spiking: https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/detention.html https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/detention.htm... Just saying, similar outcomes could occur here. It's happened before. Their goals being unrealistic doesn't mean they'll stop, and may be part of their justification for doing even worse things than they're already doing.
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  - actionfromafar 9mo ago
    They might "look for immigrants" near polling stations in November? Would be very bad if "immigrants" (i.e. not wearing a fair face with a matching MAGA hat) could vote, amirite?
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      - convolvatron 9mo ago
        47 million voters have been run through the citizenship database, and 10,000 were flagged for investigation. which is 0.02% even if all those turn out to be noncitizens. you're just repeating empty assertions without evidence
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  - FartinMowler 9mo ago
    They could monitor the midterm elections /s
- 10xDev 9mo ago
  Palestine was the training ground, now it is being deployed back at home. Turns out it is a small world and you shouldn't have selective empathy. "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me"
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- the__alchemist 9mo ago
  I have a hunch most people recognize this, but many are ok with it. I have hope (But not confidence) people will see this in the upcoming US elections and more broadly. This is transparent authoritarian behavior. Edit: Challenge: If you downvoted the parent post here (It's currently grey), I would love to hear why you think this doesn't match the pattern. Are you living in the US? I in general am struggling to understand my fellow US citizens, given the history of our nation.
  - smt88 9mo ago
    I expect masked ICE agents to be deployed to polls in purple and blue states to "prevent non-citizens from voting" (i.e. to scare minorities away from polls)
    - ecshafer 9mo ago
      Bet. Lets see if we can get this up on polymarket, bet on it.
      - staplers 9mo ago
        You already lost your own bet. "A pair of armed and masked men in tactical gear stood guard at ballot drop boxes in Mesa, Ariz., on Oct. 21 as people began early voting for the 2022 midterm elections." They might be "off-duty" but this is during Biden's admin. They're immensely more emboldened now and local LE will absolutely not enforce any laws restricting this. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-armed-militia-presence-at-some-polls.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-ar...
        ecshafer 9mo ago
        So the goal post moved from ICE or Federal agents being stationed at polling stations to any individual at all?
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- jawilson2 9mo ago
  > Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations No, we're not.
  - hydrogen7800 9mo ago
    I think the GP means the collective "we" is OK with it, evidenced simply by the fact that it is happening.
    - drcongo 9mo ago
      Yep, and from the outside, the rest of the world is watching you all just let it happen.
      - carefulfungi 9mo ago
        How can you watch the protest and organization in MN and conclude people are "just letting it happen". Quite the opposite.
        drcongo 9mo ago
        Sorry, bad wording. I was using the "you all" in the same context as the parent's "collective we". Yes, there's tens of thousands out in the streets protesting, but also yes there's tens of millions who aren't.
        rootusrootus 9mo ago
        I think it's millions, not tens of thousands protesting. I hate that the online world is so polluted with America Bad that we cannot even have a good discussion. There is literally nothing American citizens could be doing right now that would meet with approval from outsiders.
        drcongo 9mo ago
        Hello. I posted the above comments before I'd read asa400's amazing insight right at the top of this discussion, that post has given me the perspective I was clearly missing when I posted these. I was never coming from an "America Bad" position, but I was definitely failing to appreciate the nuances of protest in such a heavily armed country.
- mosura 9mo ago
  Then argue for democratically changing the law to make them unambiguously legal. Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption.
  - bonsai_spool 9mo ago
    > Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. That's what the OP is saying.
    - mosura 9mo ago
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      - lokar 9mo ago
        They are engaged is massive violations of US law
      - biophysboy 9mo ago
        Detaining citizens is not immigration law.
      - mrtesthah 9mo ago
        ICE is blatantly violating peoples’ rights. Read any comment on this page.
      - fzeroracer 9mo ago
        You can watch any of these videos I posted a few days ago [1] and tell me why. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192
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      - GordonS 9mo ago
        Because that's plainly not what they are always doing. And the aggressive, racist unprofessional, downright dangerous way ICE are going about things is simply shocking.
- jalapenoh 9mo ago
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- matthewkayin 9mo ago
  > Everyone is ok targeting the immigrant populations To echo another commentor, we're not. And even if we were, this is not how it should be done. Enforcing the laws is one thing, but we have to have due process. Without due process, we have no rights.
  - jasonjayr 9mo ago
    Due process for EVERY person in the legal territory regardless of who or what they are. Otherwise it's way to easy to say, "they're the other, and have no rights", and they are already using this line.
    - daveguy 9mo ago
      Which is absolutely unconstitutional. The constitution says the 4th amendment protects all people, not just citizens. It's been upheld many times by the supreme court. This administration is knowingly and willingly trampling the constitution. The midterm elections can't come soon enough. And in the meantime we all need to get in the streets. Anyone can manipulate social media. But you can't manipulate the narrative when there is an overwhelming number of brave people in the streets clearly and peacefully protesting.
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    - andruby 9mo ago
      And what happens when they deport you, "BuckRogers"? Proving whether or not someone is supposed to be here requires due process. If they pick up the wrong person (because people have the same name, or look alike, or any reason) and deport them, then what? Are you going to accept that you or your family or friends get deported? We shouldn't accept any false positives. And that's what due process is.
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- gadders 9mo ago
  Citation needed.
- ks2048 9mo ago
  Musk tweeted yesterday that speaking hate against the country should be considered treason and lead to being locked-up. It's not hard to shift "anti-American" speech to mean "anti-ICE", anti-current-administration, etc.
  - cies 9mo ago
    He should be allowed to say that. But it should not be enforced, or the constitution became toilet paper. I think we are arriving at the latter.
  - andruby 9mo ago
    Mr "free speech" Musk (/s) If it is this tweet you are referring to, it's about _teaching_ hate, which is only a slight nuance and still a terrible point to make for a self-labeled "free speech absolutist" > Teaching people to hate America fundamentally destroys patriotism and the desire to defend our country. > Such teachings should be viewed as treason and those who do it imprisoned. https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2011519593492402617#m https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2011519593492402617#m
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      > it's about _teaching_ hate Which is free speech, unfortunately. And a very difficult thing to define, and very clearly not the sort of thing that'd be enforced against, say, the current President no matter how clear the violation.
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- superkuh 9mo ago
  >the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota If you think this is only immigration enforcement you haven't been paying attention. That was ostensibly what Trump campaigned on. That is not what is happening in Minnesota and other previously safe places. What is happening is a massive terror campaign against all US citizens who don't happen to be the right color. And increasing, against everyone.
- kilroy123 9mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
heraldgeezer 9mo ago
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biophysboy 9mo ago
Per the WSJ, as of January 10th this year, ICE has identified 13 instances of agents firing at or into civilian vehicles, leaving eight people shot with two confirmed dead. Five of those shot were citizens. According to court records, only one of these civilians was armed and never drew his weapon. There is a sickness curdling in the dark corners of Silicon Valley. These people need to be humiliated for being the sniveling, authoritarian toads that they are.
- Sparkle-san 9mo ago
  There are reports that ICE threw a flash bang into a vehicle last night that contained a father trying to leave with his children to get them to safety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMO7u44LGM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMO7u44LGM
  - BuckRogers 9mo ago
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    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43675045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43675045 (showdead on) > This is really over for anyone who opposes us. The Lord saved Donald Trump from assassination and is using him as His instrument. The cognitive dissonance to continue to resist the Will of God and will of the people which are united, is just pure bitterness of loss and defeat. Let's be honest, you aren't gonna believe video, either. It's a matter of literal religious faith for you.
      - BuckRogers 9mo ago
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        ceejayoz 9mo ago
        > Laughable for you to suggest that I'm the one with the ideological bent. I'm hardly suggesting it. > recovering from internal bleeding in his chest Guy had a bruise. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/ice-agent-jonathan-ross-injured-internal-bleeding-torso/88182659007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/ice-ag... "Internal bleeding covers a wide range of severity, from minor bruising to life-threatening injuries… The day after the fatal Jan. 7 shooting, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem told reporters Ross had been taken to the hospital, but he was released and home with family... DHS declined to answer USA TODAY's additional questions about the injury."
ARandumGuy 9mo ago
I don't know how much people outside of MN know about what's going on, but it's fucking dire here. However bad you think it is, it's worse.
- lokar 9mo ago
  There are more Feds running around then state and local police
- SlightlyLeftPad 9mo ago
  As bad as Chicago?
  - blurbleblurble 9mo ago
    Much worse
  - glial 9mo ago
    Here's a recent write-up by a local: https://wburdine.substack.com/p/letter-from-an-occupied-minnesota https://wburdine.substack.com/p/letter-from-an-occupied-minn...
    - SlightlyLeftPad 9mo ago
      How do we get this read by more people this is crazy.
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andrewvc 9mo ago
For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling the Nokomis East community told the Star Tribune she was run off the road into a snowbank by ICE for laying on her horn. Officers shattered the car window of a woman attempting to drive past a raid in south Minneapolis to get to a doctor’s appointment nearby, then carried her through the street. Feds pushed an unidentified motorist through a red light into a busy intersection, reportedly fired projectiles at a pedestrian walking “too slowly” in a crosswalk and shoved Minneapolis City Council President Elliott Payne while he was observing their actions from a public sidewalk. You can read the full thing here: https://www.startribune.com/have-yall-not-learned-federal-agents-target-legal-observers-in-the-aftermath-of-good-shooting/601562804 https://www.startribune.com/have-yall-not-learned-federal-ag...
- nutjob2 9mo ago
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    - NonHyloMorph 9mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives What happened to the SA when they became to powerful. And also when the people of Nazi Germany (so Nazis) became fed up with the thugs. Out of interest: is there something like a person considered to be a leader (like Röhm) amongst ICE?
      - AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
        Secretary of homeland security
poszlem 9mo ago
I remember hearing the "imagine if Stasi/Gestapo had the data Facebook and Twitter have on us" argument for years. Turns out they were right to be worried.
- Kapura 9mo ago
  Why would you think they wouldn't be right? Even on paper, doesn't that sound like a bad thing? the past 15 years of my life feels like a bus full of people yelling at the driver to not hit the wall he's speeding towards and he's just ignoring them saying "it will be fine." and here we are!
oxqbldpxo 9mo ago
And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.
- stackghost 9mo ago
  This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.
  - LurkandComment 9mo ago
    This exactly hits in on the head. You're trying create a forum absent of politics. In fact, you're just enabling one political view over another. This hides social issues and in the end comes back to undermine your pure "technical view". It's not apolitical, it's disassociation from reality.
    - fnimick 9mo ago
      Exactly. Declaring that there must be no discussion when confronted with situations in which one party is doing harm to others, is an implicit endorsement of the harms being perpetuated.
      - a456463 9mo ago
        Thank you all in this thread! I couldn't have put it better. I cannot stand "no politics rules". Politics divides and it is personal. But it shouldn't be either of those. We should be attacking policy and not people. No politics rules just deny reality because software doesn't exist in a vacuum without policy and money. Heck most people want to use software to get money which is a product of policy.
    - j_w 9mo ago
      HN isn't even absent of politics, just the front page is really. Everything we do is political. When we are making software and publishing it, whether or a company or ourselves, for sale or for free, there are political implications to those actions.
Sparkle-san 9mo ago
The Palantro CEO, Alex Karp, is on the record that he approves of what the president is doing in regards to immigration enforcement and the striking of boats in international waters.
- 10xDev 9mo ago
  This type of behaviour from Palantir is old news: https://www.business-humanrights.org/es/%C3%BAltimas-noticias/palantir-allegedly-enables-israels-ai-targeting-amid-israels-war-in-gaza-raising-concerns-over-war-crimes/ https://www.business-humanrights.org/es/%C3%BAltimas-noticia...
- mingus88 9mo ago
  And in 2016 he was a Clinton supporter and a self described progressive. Vance was also a never trumper by his own admission. It’s quite clear to me that these elites are just grabbing power by any means necessary. It won’t end after Trump. He’s just providing the cover in the current moment.
  - lokar 9mo ago
    When the transition to authoritarianism starts elites have a choice to make. History show most will choose authoritarianism.
    - rgun 9mo ago
      It will just be a matter of time when the "authority" turns its back on the elites.
    - throwaway85825 9mo ago
      Larry Ellison wants constant surveillance so everyone will be 'on their best behavior'.
      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        With a little asterisk on the word "everyone".
nerdjon 9mo ago
I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration. But it does say they have been working with ICE for “years” in the article. What is not really clear to me is was the app made worse recently, was it originally commissioned under trump? Nothing about that changes that they should not be working with ICE and they deserve any pressure they get to cut ties. But there is some history here I am very curious about. All of that being said, I am concerned about how this will be turned around and used in more than just ICE and targeting everyone. Especially since we can be sure this will be used in largely blue big cities.
- lukev 9mo ago
  They've definitely using tools like this for a while. It's been true under all administrations, and it's always been a problem. Privacy advocates have been alerting on this for a while. Physically attacking citizens takes it to another level. It's one thing for tech companies to be complicit in eroding privacy, it's quite another to be complicit in overt fascism.
- daveguy 9mo ago
  ICE is already targeting everyone.
- tencentshill 9mo ago
  It was a boring database product in 2011. It expanded in scope over many years, and now has a much larger budget. "That changed in the second Trump administration, with Palantir now working on ICE’s deportation efforts." https://www.palantir.com/newsroom/press-releases/homeland-security-investigations-renews-partnership-with-palantir/?ref=404media.co https://www.palantir.com/newsroom/press-releases/homeland-se... "...Since 2011, Palantir has partnered with HSI"
- libraryatnight 9mo ago
  "I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration" I don't believe you or you wouldn't have bothered to muddy the water in the face of repeated violence and dehumanization.
chinathrow 9mo ago
If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.
- pixl97 9mo ago
  The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.
  - hobs 9mo ago
    Yes, Palantir folks have self selected for the first two over and over - anyone working there for many years now is completely blacklisted from anything I touch, when someone advertises ex-Palantir folks in the job description I know I can safely avoid that company forever.
    - lokar 9mo ago
      I would never allow one of them to be hired via any hiring process I have influence over.
    - pixl97 9mo ago
      The unfortunate converse is there are plenty of other software companies looking for that .gov money that would pick these less than scrupulous employees right up.
    - foobiekr 9mo ago
      Same. I would never allow anyone who has Palantir on their resume to be hired in any company I have influence over. They are the brownshirts of the tech industry, worse even than the people poisoning children's minds at Meta.
  - GuinansEyebrows 9mo ago
    > 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent. i feel like a broken record: anyone with a resume good enough for Palantir would have no problem finding work for another company/public sector employer. but they stay.
Kapura 9mo ago
It's crazy that anybody who has read books could learn about the company "Palantir," know where the name comes from, and join it thinking it's anything other than evil. The thing is, I know palantir engineers are well paid. Money warps people's brains. It's much easier enable evil if you can go back to a home you own in Silicon Valley.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  > know where the name comes from This is a wild point to me, yeah. The Palantir is literally a cautionary tale on the risks of thinking you can use the enemy's tools without being corrupted by it.
  - CodeMage 9mo ago
    I've lost count of people who have read Tolkien's work and never dug deeper than "cool fantasy story" level. I was no different when I read the Lord of the Rings as a teenager. Unlike C. S. Lewis, Tolkien does not shove his message down your throat.
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    - miltonlost 9mo ago
      We have technofascists trying to bring AI into the military and saying it's Star Trek. Star Trek! One of the most clearly socialist, "woke" tv series! Media literacy is not a conservative value while illiteracy and ignorance is. https://arstechnica.com/culture/2026/01/pentagons-arsenal-of-freedom-tour-borrows-name-from-star-trek-episode-about-killer-ai/ https://arstechnica.com/culture/2026/01/pentagons-arsenal-of...
- oldjim798 9mo ago
  I think they know exactly what they were doing with the naming. They were and are absolutely ok with the evil connotations and uses
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kevmo 9mo ago
Mods are going to boot this off the front page.
- pjc50 9mo ago
  Mostly flagging from individual pro-ICE HN accounts.
m-hodges 9mo ago
I keep thinking about https://neveragain.tech https://neveragain.tech
- andruby 9mo ago
  3 people from Palantir on that list of signatories
  - shimman 9mo ago
    A decent chunk of people on that list are working at the companies that are actively harming society. At what point does it become a joke? It's not like the millionaire devs working at big tech couldn't take a stand, but I guess their addiction to money is more preferential than sacrificing something to better society.
- therealdrag0 9mo ago
  Law and order and bureaucracy is a seductive, all encompassing, crushing force.
- botanrice 9mo ago
  I have never heard of this site but find it confusing that there is no information on the date this was started or which administration they are referring to.
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- lokar 9mo ago
  Most of the people in the Trump administration are not ideological. They are grifters, in it for money and status. Palantir is probably similar
  - fnimick 9mo ago
    I'm not sure saying "I don't care if we do fascism as long as it makes me money" is any more morally defensible.
    - lokar 9mo ago
      But, I hope, it does point to a weakness, for now.
  - evan_ 9mo ago
    > Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. > That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.
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joshmn 9mo ago
I've been on the receiving end of federal enforcement (DOJ, high-profile "cybercrime"). When they want you, they don't need a confidence score. There is no quota—they take time to build a case. The existence of these tools tells you this isn't targeted enforcement, it's industrial-scale population processing dressed up in an algorithm. I live in Minnesota. This is my backyard.
an0malous 9mo ago
I remember in the 2010s when Silicon Valley was full of founders who genuinely wanted to use technology to make the world a better place, and now it's just fascists who want to use technology to kill brown people more efficiently
- fnimick 9mo ago
  > Silicon Valley was full of founders who genuinely wanted to use technology to make the world a better place No, it wasn't, it was full of people who said they wanted to use technology to make the world a better place because saying you would use technology to make the world a better place was viewed as the path to investment and success. Now, as soon as feigned empathy is no longer required for $$$, the mask comes off. It was never about anything other than profit.
  - goatlover 9mo ago
    And yet their base ate up the claim that DOGE was about getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse.
    - krapp 9mo ago
      To be fair DOGE was the ultimate SV neo-libertarian power fantasy. Just get a bunch of hackers together, screw the rules, get root on the government and start deleting shit. Doubly so after a "leftist" administration.
      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        Same thing happened to Sears. https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/4385-failing-to-plan-how-ayn-rand-destroyed-sears https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/4385-failing-to-plan-h... > He radically restructured operations, splitting the company into thirty, and later forty, different units that were to compete against each other. Instead of cooperating, as in a normal firm, divisions such as apparel, tools, appliances, human resources, IT and branding were now in essence to operate as autonomous businesses, each with their own president, board of directors, chief marketing officer and statement of profit or loss. An eye-popping 2013 series of interviews by Bloomberg Businessweek investigative journalist Mina Kimes with some forty former executives described Lampert’s Randian calculus: “If the company’s leaders were told to act selfishly, he argued, they would run their divisions in a rational manner, boosting overall performance.”
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- an0malous 9mo ago
  It's about a technology built by a well known technology company, why wouldn't it be on HN?
- b65e8bee43c2ed0 9mo ago
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mreti_par 9mo ago
Frick Trump and frick all the pieces of dump that vote red! I hope you and all your loved ones de a horrible deth. You are ruining the entire world! Why am I being downvoted? Has HN been invaded by Trump's scum too?
- tempaccountabcd 9mo ago
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honeycrispy 9mo ago
Why is this allowed to reach the front page, but any technical talk relating to the slaughter of Iranians gets quietly removed?
- Permit 9mo ago
  It's possible that different people flag the discussions you're referring to. That said, it looks like there have been ~7 threads with over 100 points on Iran in the last week alone: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=true&query=iran&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=tru... If anything, it appears that Minnesota/Minneapolis are under-discussed relative to Iran, no?
- JKCalhoun 9mo ago
  Good question. But a lazy parsing of your comment might imply you want this post also flagged.
mmmlinux 9mo ago
As always, I like to point out that someone here is probably very proud of their work on this.
- ryandrake 9mo ago
  And, if you criticize them for building these systems, they'll trot out the usual excuses: - Well, I'm working on interesting technical problems at massive scale. Leave it to the business guys to figure out how to apply it--not my problem. - Well, I just move protobufs from one middleware API to another. I don't even talk to the application guys. - Well, I just write the code my boss tells me to write. I don't want to be fired!
  - mrguyorama 9mo ago
    No, actually at least one person in this comment section is outright happy to say they like what is going on. These people don't care what harms "deporting illegals" means, because they aren't really attached to reality and are utterly lacking empathy. "Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man imprisoned" is clearly not something they consider acceptable.
- u8vov8 9mo ago
  These losers are everywhere on HN, 10+ replying to the top comment. No surprise considering who runs the site.
rib3ye 9mo ago
Can anyone explain a user flow for how a Palantir product enables ICE to go from app launch to ‘target arrested’?
- xcskier56 9mo ago
  Here's an example. One of my friends works for a manufacturing company. He attended a protest. The next day ICE called his employer and he was informed that if he attended another protest he would be fired. All this b/c he had a small company logo on his jacket. The ability to en-mass record, lookup and intimidate citizens is unprecedented and while I have no hard proof that this is due to Palantir, it sure smells like it
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  - tastyface 9mo ago
    Firing due to political activity outside of work? That sounds super illegal.
    - pseudalopex 9mo ago
      Some states protect political activity broadly. Some states protect voting solely.[1] [1] https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/politics-in-the-workplace-a-state-by-state-guide-to-help-employers-survive-the-presidential-election/ https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/politics-...
    - dragonwriter 9mo ago
      ICE employees working to “injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same”, such as exercise of 1st Amendment rights, is itself super-illegal (not just “outside their authority” but a federal criminal violation of the KKK Act), whether or not the employer’s response to the resulting pressure is also illegal.
trymas 9mo ago
> confidence score Is this the new social credit?
treebeard901 9mo ago
Blue cities should have local citizen backed militias under the control of the mayor.
- staplers 9mo ago
  The national guard exists for this purpose (state level) but is mostly captured by federal interests. Local PD's could in effect do something similar but have shown to back the authoritarian-aligned party. Propaganda has aligned nearly every single level of law enforcement to authoritarianism. I can't see a scenario where this is undone.
  - bee_rider 9mo ago
    Some states also have a “state defense force” which is explicitly under the control of the state. But they tend to be pretty small I think, and lots of them are inactive or purely ceremonial.
- zbentley 9mo ago
  How would that be different from current municipal police forces?
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    The "under the control of the mayor" bit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Association_Riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Assoc... > Approximately 4,000 NYPD officers took part in a protest that included blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge and jumping over police barricades in an attempt to rush City Hall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_Police_Department https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_P... > The ACLU obtained a court order prohibiting strikers from carrying their service revolvers. Again, the SFPD ignored the court order. On August 20, a bomb detonated at the Mayor's home with a sign reading "Don't Threaten Us" left on his lawn. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/nyregion/chiara-de-blasio-arrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/nyregion/chiara-de-blasio... > Among the hundreds of protesters arrested over the four days of demonstrations in New York City over the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, only one was highlighted by name by a police union known for its hostility toward Mayor Bill de Blasio. The name of that protester? Chiara de Blasio, the mayor’s daughter.
datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
Great time to bring up the Imperial Boomerang[1]. My paraphrasing: the weapons and technology that imperial and colonial powers develop or use to control subjugated populations will inevitably be used to also control its own population. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
leftistlozers 9mo ago
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decremental 9mo ago
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amsterdorn 9mo ago
> “Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) is a targeting tool designed to improve capabilities for identifying and prioritizing high-value targets What constitutes this "high value"? & valuable to who, ICE agents with an itchy trigger finger?
- ryandrake 9mo ago
  > What constitutes this "high value"? It's pretty simple[1]. 1: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart
creatonez 9mo ago
Every single engineer who works on this should be in prison for life. Nuremberg trials are coming. Be careful associating yourself with techno-fascists, history will not forget your git commits on evil technologies.
- tempaccountabcd 9mo ago
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framenotre 9mo ago
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- lanthade 9mo ago
  If they were only arresting people not in the country illegally and doing it with constitutionally guaranteed due process then you may have a point. But they aren't. They are arresting, injuring, killing people who are exercising their constitutional rights. ICE has no shred of credibility left. They are not making things safer. I personally know people in Minneapolis (where I live) who's constitutional rights have been trampled on by ICE. ICE is the enemy, all who support them have blood on their hands.
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- Erem 9mo ago
  What did the 170 citizens detained in immigration raids last year do that was illegal? If it was illegal, why were charges either dropped or never filed to begin with for the majority of these cases? If you are open to understanding why people are so upset, do your mind the favor of reading this high quality reporting on the treatment of US Citizens by ICE https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...
  - framenotre 9mo ago
    I'm sure there will be mistakes made. But it's for the collective good of the country.
    - Erem 9mo ago
      Perhaps, if there is good faith effort to minimize that impact on citizens and legal immigrants. Please, please take the time to read that article. Share if you think the administration is making those good faith efforts based on your read.
motbus3 9mo ago
Wasn't there a meme called owl really?
DoingIsLearning 9mo ago
Worth reminding everyone in the EU and UK that this is not a 'them' problem. Palantir is the main software vendor for Europol. Equally pretty much all the 1984 proposals for age or id online verification that are being massaged into existence (both in the UK and pushed by the European Commission) have their fingers all over them. They sell pre-crime and opinion control to our democratic leaders and apparently everyone in Davos loves it.
- amarcheschi 9mo ago
  For some reasons I think europol officers (the ones taking decisions, at least) are loving ice. They didn't have issues when proposing to expand chat control, which would meant large scale surveillance, so they'd appreciate whatever palantir can come out with
- macleginn 9mo ago
  Speaking of UK, they also run the NHS data warehousing.
ZeroGravitas 9mo ago
It's not really a good ad for their software as they appear to be grabbing brown skinned people at random.
- therealdrag0 9mo ago
  Appears based on what? What percentage of detainees do you think are illegal vs legal residents?
- advisedwang 9mo ago
  Well the idea is that you grab brown people en masse and then scan them with the app. In fact the entire point of the app is to enable grabbing brown people en masse, so it's probably looking pretty good to Noem and the like.
aestetix 9mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
Pwntastic 9mo ago
https://archive.ph/9UPzF https://archive.ph/9UPzF
j_horvat 9mo ago
Anyone who works for Palantir or this corrupt administration should be blacklisted from the industry
- welcome_dragon 9mo ago
  Maybe we can form the Silicon Valley Un-American Activities Committee?
  - kttd 9mo ago
    ADL would like to have a word with you….
hereme888 9mo ago
There's a clear difference in the premises behind the thinking of the "right" vs. the "left". One side sees "evil officers acting too aggressively towards fellow humans", and the other side sees "patriotic police catching criminal aliens, and leftists attacking the police". Those are the two ways of thinking I've noticed.
- rootusrootus 9mo ago
  To the eventual detriment of the latter, I expect. There are plenty of people currently on the "evil officers" side who would be much more willing to support the mass deportation effort if the ICE officers were calm, unmasked, not using violent SWAT tactics just to apprehend an undocumented immigrant. This intentional violence turns away a lot of people who'd otherwise be sympathetic to the goals.
Grosvenor 9mo ago
This is extremely relevant for the current conversation. All this has happened before. IBM and the holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
duxup 9mo ago
I suspect they are using it in this encounter, where someone just out for a walk is harassed by armed men… https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneapolis_several_armed_men_do_you_have_id/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea...
lbrito 9mo ago
Reading comment sections for news like this makes one understand better how it is possible that widescale horrible things happen. At first you'll learn about something horrible in the past and think, How could people let that happen, yet alone participate in it? Well, its spelled out pretty neatly here. Some people don't care - its "them" being targeted (jews, tutsi, immigrants), not "us". Some people care, but not in the way you'd think - they agree with the actions. Some people just wash their hands - I was only following orders, I was only working for Palantir. Some will be dismissive or downplay what is happening: its no big deal, its overblown, its being exaggerated and distorted by Radical Left-Wing Terrorists™. This is how bad things happen.
- kttd 9mo ago
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mempko 9mo ago
I have a message to all Palantir employees. You can quit, you don't have to make this technology. Palantir cannot function without you. Let me tell you a story. When I was young, just out of college, I worked for a tech startup. The tech startup was a mapping company. At some point I overheard the company CEO talking about how the software I built was being used. I thought it was being used to help track miners and equipment working in mines so that if there is an accident, they know where all the people and equipment are so they can be saved. I learned by overhearing him that the software was being used in the Iraq war to track people to kill. I wasn't supposed to know since I didn't have a security clearance to know. I quit that job over this. I told this story because there are certainly employees there that don't have the clearance to know what is happening. But the reporting is making it clear. You can quit your job. They can't function without you.
chinathrow 9mo ago
How did this fell off the homepage so fast?
- rootusrootus 9mo ago
  ratio of comments to upvotes is the usual reason
nojvek 9mo ago
We were worried about China using force over Uyghurs. non-white Americans are the Uyghurs now. Congress and Supreme court ought to be reigning the executive branch and enforcing citizen rights according to constitution and bill of rights.
- tempaccountabcd 9mo ago
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ThinkBeat 9mo ago
I am pretty underwhelmed by what this tool does. There is a list of suspects. It does not say this is sourced by Palantir, but it is at least consumed. [1] It puts flag on a map where the list says the persons(s) may be. Based on addresses listed in government documents. It indicates the lists ranking of importance. And whatever links to crimes done or crimes suspected of. ICE leadership can add priority meta data to the list. This is not 2026 hyper advanced software. And the government paying huge money for it well that is just public procurement. I mean imagine [1] The list itself being pulled from several data sources.
AndreyK1984 9mo ago
Can someone tell me three things, please! - is ICE illegal or immoral ? Or it is a good tool used wrong ? - can people vote and make ICE stronger / weaker depending on their choice ? - are non registered people breaking the law or not ? Is it basically bad law or bad people ? I am sure US is republic and democracy together, but everyone here pretends ICE is a tool of dictatorship and should be stopped immediately. If you ask about my personal opinion - it is an internal problem of US citizens, and they need to fix it.
- rootusrootus 9mo ago
  > Or it is a good tool used wrong This. ICE serves a necessary function. It is intentionally being wielded with malice. The target is not immigrants, they are just the face of the brawl, the real target is democratic voters. > can people vote and make ICE stronger / weaker depending on their choice This question is easy to answer. The citizens could easily vote in a new president in 2028 who defunded ICE altogether. We already know that cutting funds is way easier than granting them.
  - krapp 9mo ago
    >The citizens could easily vote in a new president in 2028 who defunded ICE altogether. You think that after two more years of this regime that any such candidate would be allowed anywhere near whatever pretense of an electoral system still exists? I need you to understand that the United States is already no longer a democratic republic in anything but name. The system of government you're assuming will fix the mess will have been entirely dismantled by then. The time to fix this within the system was in 2024.
    - rootusrootus 9mo ago
      That rhetoric is popular online, but I have not heard any convincing argument for how it plays out in practice.
      - krapp 9mo ago
rhubarbtree 9mo ago
Does anyone else think that the biggest reason for ICE and the National Guard deployments is to normalise such situations? It seems most likely to me this is being done in preparation for the ending of democracy. If the midterms become mired in controversy, for example, there will be protests on the streets. And these deployments will be ready to crush dissent. This is why deployments are mostly focused on the likely flashpoints.

650 points by fajmccain 9mo ago

Make no mistake, the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota are only a training ground for how to undermine civil rights for us all. Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations because they are "illegal" or live in a gray area of legality. But eventually these same tools will be used against us.

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jordanpg 9mo ago
Along the same lines, anyone who thinks this is just about immigration should ask themselves what all these tens of thousands of ICE agents are going to do when all the immigrants are finally deported. Are they just going to go home and go back to their old jobs? Or do you think the Administration is going to find something else for them to do.
- Aurornis 9mo ago
  Deportations aren’t all that high. The raids are theater. Thinking that they’re going to deport all the immigrants isn’t realistic or supported by the numbers. Immigration control is a constant ongoing operation in every country. This administration is just making a big show out of it for political points.
  - IncreasePosts 9mo ago
    I don't think it is just political points. Illegal Mexican border crossings crashed on the run up to Trump taking presidency. Signaling you'll get captured and deported wherever you are, I'm sure if keeping a lot of people who would be illegal immigrants away.
  - zxcvasd 9mo ago
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  - jordanpg 9mo ago
    My point still stands. The country will obviously not be permanently swarming with ICE agents violently grabbing immigrants off the street. There is going to be mission creep. If this isn't obvious then I don't know what to else I can say to convince you. Immigration is clearly just a pretext to establishing a national police force. Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon.
    - sgc 9mo ago
      It looked like your jeans might be knock-offs. Customs violation. Time to flashbang your kids.
    - drstewart 9mo ago
      >Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon. And when it doesn't, will you remember the wild accusations you made or off making others with no accountability?
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 9mo ago
    Hitler's regime didn't start out making death camps for Jews. The initial plan was to deport them, with camps for holding and processing. That was unrealistic given the volume of people to process, which led to the detention and work camps converting to death camps. This is relevant to mention because the number of people in ICE detention right now is spiking: https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/detention.html https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/detention.htm... Just saying, similar outcomes could occur here. It's happened before. Their goals being unrealistic doesn't mean they'll stop, and may be part of their justification for doing even worse things than they're already doing.
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- actionfromafar 9mo ago
  They might "look for immigrants" near polling stations in November? Would be very bad if "immigrants" (i.e. not wearing a fair face with a matching MAGA hat) could vote, amirite?
  - jalapenoh 9mo ago
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    - convolvatron 9mo ago
      47 million voters have been run through the citizenship database, and 10,000 were flagged for investigation. which is 0.02% even if all those turn out to be noncitizens. you're just repeating empty assertions without evidence
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- FartinMowler 9mo ago
  They could monitor the midterm elections /s
10xDev 9mo ago
Palestine was the training ground, now it is being deployed back at home. Turns out it is a small world and you shouldn't have selective empathy. "First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me"
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the__alchemist 9mo ago
I have a hunch most people recognize this, but many are ok with it. I have hope (But not confidence) people will see this in the upcoming US elections and more broadly. This is transparent authoritarian behavior. Edit: Challenge: If you downvoted the parent post here (It's currently grey), I would love to hear why you think this doesn't match the pattern. Are you living in the US? I in general am struggling to understand my fellow US citizens, given the history of our nation.
- smt88 9mo ago
  I expect masked ICE agents to be deployed to polls in purple and blue states to "prevent non-citizens from voting" (i.e. to scare minorities away from polls)
  - ecshafer 9mo ago
    Bet. Lets see if we can get this up on polymarket, bet on it.
    - staplers 9mo ago
      You already lost your own bet. "A pair of armed and masked men in tactical gear stood guard at ballot drop boxes in Mesa, Ariz., on Oct. 21 as people began early voting for the 2022 midterm elections." They might be "off-duty" but this is during Biden's admin. They're immensely more emboldened now and local LE will absolutely not enforce any laws restricting this. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-armed-militia-presence-at-some-polls.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-ar...
      - ecshafer 9mo ago
        So the goal post moved from ICE or Federal agents being stationed at polling stations to any individual at all?
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jawilson2 9mo ago
> Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations No, we're not.
- hydrogen7800 9mo ago
  I think the GP means the collective "we" is OK with it, evidenced simply by the fact that it is happening.
  - drcongo 9mo ago
    Yep, and from the outside, the rest of the world is watching you all just let it happen.
    - carefulfungi 9mo ago
      How can you watch the protest and organization in MN and conclude people are "just letting it happen". Quite the opposite.
      - drcongo 9mo ago
        Sorry, bad wording. I was using the "you all" in the same context as the parent's "collective we". Yes, there's tens of thousands out in the streets protesting, but also yes there's tens of millions who aren't.
        rootusrootus 9mo ago
        I think it's millions, not tens of thousands protesting. I hate that the online world is so polluted with America Bad that we cannot even have a good discussion. There is literally nothing American citizens could be doing right now that would meet with approval from outsiders.
        drcongo 9mo ago
        Hello. I posted the above comments before I'd read asa400's amazing insight right at the top of this discussion, that post has given me the perspective I was clearly missing when I posted these. I was never coming from an "America Bad" position, but I was definitely failing to appreciate the nuances of protest in such a heavily armed country.
mosura 9mo ago
Then argue for democratically changing the law to make them unambiguously legal. Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption.
- bonsai_spool 9mo ago
  > Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. That's what the OP is saying.
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    - lokar 9mo ago
      They are engaged is massive violations of US law
    - biophysboy 9mo ago
      Detaining citizens is not immigration law.
    - mrtesthah 9mo ago
      ICE is blatantly violating peoples’ rights. Read any comment on this page.
    - fzeroracer 9mo ago
      You can watch any of these videos I posted a few days ago [1] and tell me why. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192
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    - GordonS 9mo ago
      Because that's plainly not what they are always doing. And the aggressive, racist unprofessional, downright dangerous way ICE are going about things is simply shocking.
jalapenoh 9mo ago
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matthewkayin 9mo ago
> Everyone is ok targeting the immigrant populations To echo another commentor, we're not. And even if we were, this is not how it should be done. Enforcing the laws is one thing, but we have to have due process. Without due process, we have no rights.
- jasonjayr 9mo ago
  Due process for EVERY person in the legal territory regardless of who or what they are. Otherwise it's way to easy to say, "they're the other, and have no rights", and they are already using this line.
  - daveguy 9mo ago
    Which is absolutely unconstitutional. The constitution says the 4th amendment protects all people, not just citizens. It's been upheld many times by the supreme court. This administration is knowingly and willingly trampling the constitution. The midterm elections can't come soon enough. And in the meantime we all need to get in the streets. Anyone can manipulate social media. But you can't manipulate the narrative when there is an overwhelming number of brave people in the streets clearly and peacefully protesting.
- BuckRogers 9mo ago
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  - andruby 9mo ago
    And what happens when they deport you, "BuckRogers"? Proving whether or not someone is supposed to be here requires due process. If they pick up the wrong person (because people have the same name, or look alike, or any reason) and deport them, then what? Are you going to accept that you or your family or friends get deported? We shouldn't accept any false positives. And that's what due process is.
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gadders 9mo ago
Citation needed.
ks2048 9mo ago
Musk tweeted yesterday that speaking hate against the country should be considered treason and lead to being locked-up. It's not hard to shift "anti-American" speech to mean "anti-ICE", anti-current-administration, etc.
- cies 9mo ago
  He should be allowed to say that. But it should not be enforced, or the constitution became toilet paper. I think we are arriving at the latter.
- andruby 9mo ago
  Mr "free speech" Musk (/s) If it is this tweet you are referring to, it's about _teaching_ hate, which is only a slight nuance and still a terrible point to make for a self-labeled "free speech absolutist" > Teaching people to hate America fundamentally destroys patriotism and the desire to defend our country. > Such teachings should be viewed as treason and those who do it imprisoned. https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2011519593492402617#m https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2011519593492402617#m
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    > it's about _teaching_ hate Which is free speech, unfortunately. And a very difficult thing to define, and very clearly not the sort of thing that'd be enforced against, say, the current President no matter how clear the violation.
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superkuh 9mo ago
>the immigration enforcement operations in Minnesota If you think this is only immigration enforcement you haven't been paying attention. That was ostensibly what Trump campaigned on. That is not what is happening in Minnesota and other previously safe places. What is happening is a massive terror campaign against all US citizens who don't happen to be the right color. And increasing, against everyone.
kilroy123 9mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

heraldgeezer 9mo ago

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biophysboy 9mo ago

Per the WSJ, as of January 10th this year, ICE has identified 13 instances of agents firing at or into civilian vehicles, leaving eight people shot with two confirmed dead. Five of those shot were citizens. According to court records, only one of these civilians was armed and never drew his weapon. There is a sickness curdling in the dark corners of Silicon Valley. These people need to be humiliated for being the sniveling, authoritarian toads that they are.

Sparkle-san 9mo ago
There are reports that ICE threw a flash bang into a vehicle last night that contained a father trying to leave with his children to get them to safety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMO7u44LGM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbMO7u44LGM
- BuckRogers 9mo ago
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  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43675045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43675045 (showdead on) > This is really over for anyone who opposes us. The Lord saved Donald Trump from assassination and is using him as His instrument. The cognitive dissonance to continue to resist the Will of God and will of the people which are united, is just pure bitterness of loss and defeat. Let's be honest, you aren't gonna believe video, either. It's a matter of literal religious faith for you.
    - BuckRogers 9mo ago
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      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        > Laughable for you to suggest that I'm the one with the ideological bent. I'm hardly suggesting it. > recovering from internal bleeding in his chest Guy had a bruise. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/ice-agent-jonathan-ross-injured-internal-bleeding-torso/88182659007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/ice-ag... "Internal bleeding covers a wide range of severity, from minor bruising to life-threatening injuries… The day after the fatal Jan. 7 shooting, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem told reporters Ross had been taken to the hospital, but he was released and home with family... DHS declined to answer USA TODAY's additional questions about the injury."

ARandumGuy 9mo ago

I don't know how much people outside of MN know about what's going on, but it's fucking dire here. However bad you think it is, it's worse.

lokar 9mo ago
There are more Feds running around then state and local police
SlightlyLeftPad 9mo ago
As bad as Chicago?
- blurbleblurble 9mo ago
  Much worse
- glial 9mo ago
  Here's a recent write-up by a local: https://wburdine.substack.com/p/letter-from-an-occupied-minnesota https://wburdine.substack.com/p/letter-from-an-occupied-minn...
  - SlightlyLeftPad 9mo ago
    How do we get this read by more people this is crazy.
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andrewvc 9mo ago

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling the Nokomis East community told the Star Tribune she was run off the road into a snowbank by ICE for laying on her horn. Officers shattered the car window of a woman attempting to drive past a raid in south Minneapolis to get to a doctor’s appointment nearby, then carried her through the street. Feds pushed an unidentified motorist through a red light into a busy intersection, reportedly fired projectiles at a pedestrian walking “too slowly” in a crosswalk and shoved Minneapolis City Council President Elliott Payne while he was observing their actions from a public sidewalk. You can read the full thing here: https://www.startribune.com/have-yall-not-learned-federal-agents-target-legal-observers-in-the-aftermath-of-good-shooting/601562804 https://www.startribune.com/have-yall-not-learned-federal-ag...

nutjob2 9mo ago
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- dpkirchner 9mo ago
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  - NonHyloMorph 9mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives What happened to the SA when they became to powerful. And also when the people of Nazi Germany (so Nazis) became fed up with the thugs. Out of interest: is there something like a person considered to be a leader (like Röhm) amongst ICE?
    - AndrewKemendo 9mo ago
      Secretary of homeland security

poszlem 9mo ago

I remember hearing the "imagine if Stasi/Gestapo had the data Facebook and Twitter have on us" argument for years. Turns out they were right to be worried.

Kapura 9mo ago
Why would you think they wouldn't be right? Even on paper, doesn't that sound like a bad thing? the past 15 years of my life feels like a bus full of people yelling at the driver to not hit the wall he's speeding towards and he's just ignoring them saying "it will be fine." and here we are!

oxqbldpxo 9mo ago

And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.

stackghost 9mo ago
This is what happens when one allows oneself to hide in "safe spaces" (like HN) where there's a "no politics" rule enabling people to hide and avoid being confronted with the ramifications of their actions. The entire world runs on technology now. It's all inherently political.
- LurkandComment 9mo ago
  This exactly hits in on the head. You're trying create a forum absent of politics. In fact, you're just enabling one political view over another. This hides social issues and in the end comes back to undermine your pure "technical view". It's not apolitical, it's disassociation from reality.
  - fnimick 9mo ago
    Exactly. Declaring that there must be no discussion when confronted with situations in which one party is doing harm to others, is an implicit endorsement of the harms being perpetuated.
    - a456463 9mo ago
      Thank you all in this thread! I couldn't have put it better. I cannot stand "no politics rules". Politics divides and it is personal. But it shouldn't be either of those. We should be attacking policy and not people. No politics rules just deny reality because software doesn't exist in a vacuum without policy and money. Heck most people want to use software to get money which is a product of policy.
  - j_w 9mo ago
    HN isn't even absent of politics, just the front page is really. Everything we do is political. When we are making software and publishing it, whether or a company or ourselves, for sale or for free, there are political implications to those actions.

Sparkle-san 9mo ago

The Palantro CEO, Alex Karp, is on the record that he approves of what the president is doing in regards to immigration enforcement and the striking of boats in international waters.

10xDev 9mo ago
This type of behaviour from Palantir is old news: https://www.business-humanrights.org/es/%C3%BAltimas-noticias/palantir-allegedly-enables-israels-ai-targeting-amid-israels-war-in-gaza-raising-concerns-over-war-crimes/ https://www.business-humanrights.org/es/%C3%BAltimas-noticia...
mingus88 9mo ago
And in 2016 he was a Clinton supporter and a self described progressive. Vance was also a never trumper by his own admission. It’s quite clear to me that these elites are just grabbing power by any means necessary. It won’t end after Trump. He’s just providing the cover in the current moment.
- lokar 9mo ago
  When the transition to authoritarianism starts elites have a choice to make. History show most will choose authoritarianism.
  - rgun 9mo ago
    It will just be a matter of time when the "authority" turns its back on the elites.
  - throwaway85825 9mo ago
    Larry Ellison wants constant surveillance so everyone will be 'on their best behavior'.
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      With a little asterisk on the word "everyone".

nerdjon 9mo ago

I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration. But it does say they have been working with ICE for “years” in the article. What is not really clear to me is was the app made worse recently, was it originally commissioned under trump? Nothing about that changes that they should not be working with ICE and they deserve any pressure they get to cut ties. But there is some history here I am very curious about. All of that being said, I am concerned about how this will be turned around and used in more than just ICE and targeting everyone. Especially since we can be sure this will be used in largely blue big cities.

lukev 9mo ago
They've definitely using tools like this for a while. It's been true under all administrations, and it's always been a problem. Privacy advocates have been alerting on this for a while. Physically attacking citizens takes it to another level. It's one thing for tech companies to be complicit in eroding privacy, it's quite another to be complicit in overt fascism.
daveguy 9mo ago
ICE is already targeting everyone.
tencentshill 9mo ago
It was a boring database product in 2011. It expanded in scope over many years, and now has a much larger budget. "That changed in the second Trump administration, with Palantir now working on ICE’s deportation efforts." https://www.palantir.com/newsroom/press-releases/homeland-security-investigations-renews-partnership-with-palantir/?ref=404media.co https://www.palantir.com/newsroom/press-releases/homeland-se... "...Since 2011, Palantir has partnered with HSI"
libraryatnight 9mo ago
"I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration" I don't believe you or you wouldn't have bothered to muddy the water in the face of repeated violence and dehumanization.

chinathrow 9mo ago

If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

pixl97 9mo ago
The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.
- hobs 9mo ago
  Yes, Palantir folks have self selected for the first two over and over - anyone working there for many years now is completely blacklisted from anything I touch, when someone advertises ex-Palantir folks in the job description I know I can safely avoid that company forever.
  - lokar 9mo ago
    I would never allow one of them to be hired via any hiring process I have influence over.
  - pixl97 9mo ago
    The unfortunate converse is there are plenty of other software companies looking for that .gov money that would pick these less than scrupulous employees right up.
  - foobiekr 9mo ago
    Same. I would never allow anyone who has Palantir on their resume to be hired in any company I have influence over. They are the brownshirts of the tech industry, worse even than the people poisoning children's minds at Meta.
- GuinansEyebrows 9mo ago
  > 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent. i feel like a broken record: anyone with a resume good enough for Palantir would have no problem finding work for another company/public sector employer. but they stay.

Kapura 9mo ago

It's crazy that anybody who has read books could learn about the company "Palantir," know where the name comes from, and join it thinking it's anything other than evil. The thing is, I know palantir engineers are well paid. Money warps people's brains. It's much easier enable evil if you can go back to a home you own in Silicon Valley.

ceejayoz 9mo ago
> know where the name comes from This is a wild point to me, yeah. The Palantir is literally a cautionary tale on the risks of thinking you can use the enemy's tools without being corrupted by it.
- CodeMage 9mo ago
  I've lost count of people who have read Tolkien's work and never dug deeper than "cool fantasy story" level. I was no different when I read the Lord of the Rings as a teenager. Unlike C. S. Lewis, Tolkien does not shove his message down your throat.
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  - miltonlost 9mo ago
    We have technofascists trying to bring AI into the military and saying it's Star Trek. Star Trek! One of the most clearly socialist, "woke" tv series! Media literacy is not a conservative value while illiteracy and ignorance is. https://arstechnica.com/culture/2026/01/pentagons-arsenal-of-freedom-tour-borrows-name-from-star-trek-episode-about-killer-ai/ https://arstechnica.com/culture/2026/01/pentagons-arsenal-of...
oldjim798 9mo ago
I think they know exactly what they were doing with the naming. They were and are absolutely ok with the evil connotations and uses
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kevmo 9mo ago

Mods are going to boot this off the front page.

pjc50 9mo ago
Mostly flagging from individual pro-ICE HN accounts.

m-hodges 9mo ago

I keep thinking about https://neveragain.tech https://neveragain.tech

andruby 9mo ago
3 people from Palantir on that list of signatories
- shimman 9mo ago
  A decent chunk of people on that list are working at the companies that are actively harming society. At what point does it become a joke? It's not like the millionaire devs working at big tech couldn't take a stand, but I guess their addiction to money is more preferential than sacrificing something to better society.
therealdrag0 9mo ago
Law and order and bureaucracy is a seductive, all encompassing, crushing force.
botanrice 9mo ago
I have never heard of this site but find it confusing that there is no information on the date this was started or which administration they are referring to.

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Devasta 9mo ago

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lokar 9mo ago
Most of the people in the Trump administration are not ideological. They are grifters, in it for money and status. Palantir is probably similar
- fnimick 9mo ago
  I'm not sure saying "I don't care if we do fascism as long as it makes me money" is any more morally defensible.
  - lokar 9mo ago
    But, I hope, it does point to a weakness, for now.
- evan_ 9mo ago
  > Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. > That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.

jmyeet 9mo ago

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joshmn 9mo ago

I've been on the receiving end of federal enforcement (DOJ, high-profile "cybercrime"). When they want you, they don't need a confidence score. There is no quota—they take time to build a case. The existence of these tools tells you this isn't targeted enforcement, it's industrial-scale population processing dressed up in an algorithm. I live in Minnesota. This is my backyard.

an0malous 9mo ago

I remember in the 2010s when Silicon Valley was full of founders who genuinely wanted to use technology to make the world a better place, and now it's just fascists who want to use technology to kill brown people more efficiently

fnimick 9mo ago
> Silicon Valley was full of founders who genuinely wanted to use technology to make the world a better place No, it wasn't, it was full of people who said they wanted to use technology to make the world a better place because saying you would use technology to make the world a better place was viewed as the path to investment and success. Now, as soon as feigned empathy is no longer required for $$$, the mask comes off. It was never about anything other than profit.
- goatlover 9mo ago
  And yet their base ate up the claim that DOGE was about getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse.
  - krapp 9mo ago
    To be fair DOGE was the ultimate SV neo-libertarian power fantasy. Just get a bunch of hackers together, screw the rules, get root on the government and start deleting shit. Doubly so after a "leftist" administration.
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      Same thing happened to Sears. https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/4385-failing-to-plan-how-ayn-rand-destroyed-sears https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/4385-failing-to-plan-h... > He radically restructured operations, splitting the company into thirty, and later forty, different units that were to compete against each other. Instead of cooperating, as in a normal firm, divisions such as apparel, tools, appliances, human resources, IT and branding were now in essence to operate as autonomous businesses, each with their own president, board of directors, chief marketing officer and statement of profit or loss. An eye-popping 2013 series of interviews by Bloomberg Businessweek investigative journalist Mina Kimes with some forty former executives described Lampert’s Randian calculus: “If the company’s leaders were told to act selfishly, he argued, they would run their divisions in a rational manner, boosting overall performance.”

misiti3780 9mo ago

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an0malous 9mo ago
It's about a technology built by a well known technology company, why wouldn't it be on HN?
b65e8bee43c2ed0 9mo ago
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mreti_par 9mo ago

Frick Trump and frick all the pieces of dump that vote red! I hope you and all your loved ones de a horrible deth. You are ruining the entire world! Why am I being downvoted? Has HN been invaded by Trump's scum too?

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honeycrispy 9mo ago

Why is this allowed to reach the front page, but any technical talk relating to the slaughter of Iranians gets quietly removed?

Permit 9mo ago
It's possible that different people flag the discussions you're referring to. That said, it looks like there have been ~7 threads with over 100 points on Iran in the last week alone: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=true&query=iran&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastWeek&page=0&prefix=tru... If anything, it appears that Minnesota/Minneapolis are under-discussed relative to Iran, no?
JKCalhoun 9mo ago
Good question. But a lazy parsing of your comment might imply you want this post also flagged.

mmmlinux 9mo ago

As always, I like to point out that someone here is probably very proud of their work on this.

ryandrake 9mo ago
And, if you criticize them for building these systems, they'll trot out the usual excuses: - Well, I'm working on interesting technical problems at massive scale. Leave it to the business guys to figure out how to apply it--not my problem. - Well, I just move protobufs from one middleware API to another. I don't even talk to the application guys. - Well, I just write the code my boss tells me to write. I don't want to be fired!
- mrguyorama 9mo ago
  No, actually at least one person in this comment section is outright happy to say they like what is going on. These people don't care what harms "deporting illegals" means, because they aren't really attached to reality and are utterly lacking empathy. "Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man imprisoned" is clearly not something they consider acceptable.
u8vov8 9mo ago
These losers are everywhere on HN, 10+ replying to the top comment. No surprise considering who runs the site.

rib3ye 9mo ago

Can anyone explain a user flow for how a Palantir product enables ICE to go from app launch to ‘target arrested’?

xcskier56 9mo ago
Here's an example. One of my friends works for a manufacturing company. He attended a protest. The next day ICE called his employer and he was informed that if he attended another protest he would be fired. All this b/c he had a small company logo on his jacket. The ability to en-mass record, lookup and intimidate citizens is unprecedented and while I have no hard proof that this is due to Palantir, it sure smells like it
- doktor2un 9mo ago
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- tastyface 9mo ago
  Firing due to political activity outside of work? That sounds super illegal.
  - pseudalopex 9mo ago
    Some states protect political activity broadly. Some states protect voting solely.[1] [1] https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/politics-in-the-workplace-a-state-by-state-guide-to-help-employers-survive-the-presidential-election/ https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/politics-...
  - dragonwriter 9mo ago
    ICE employees working to “injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same”, such as exercise of 1st Amendment rights, is itself super-illegal (not just “outside their authority” but a federal criminal violation of the KKK Act), whether or not the employer’s response to the resulting pressure is also illegal.

trymas 9mo ago

> confidence score Is this the new social credit?

treebeard901 9mo ago

Blue cities should have local citizen backed militias under the control of the mayor.

staplers 9mo ago
The national guard exists for this purpose (state level) but is mostly captured by federal interests. Local PD's could in effect do something similar but have shown to back the authoritarian-aligned party. Propaganda has aligned nearly every single level of law enforcement to authoritarianism. I can't see a scenario where this is undone.
- bee_rider 9mo ago
  Some states also have a “state defense force” which is explicitly under the control of the state. But they tend to be pretty small I think, and lots of them are inactive or purely ceremonial.
zbentley 9mo ago
How would that be different from current municipal police forces?
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  The "under the control of the mayor" bit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Association_Riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolmen%27s_Benevolent_Assoc... > Approximately 4,000 NYPD officers took part in a protest that included blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge and jumping over police barricades in an attempt to rush City Hall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_Police_Department https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_San_Francisco_P... > The ACLU obtained a court order prohibiting strikers from carrying their service revolvers. Again, the SFPD ignored the court order. On August 20, a bomb detonated at the Mayor's home with a sign reading "Don't Threaten Us" left on his lawn. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/nyregion/chiara-de-blasio-arrest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/nyregion/chiara-de-blasio... > Among the hundreds of protesters arrested over the four days of demonstrations in New York City over the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, only one was highlighted by name by a police union known for its hostility toward Mayor Bill de Blasio. The name of that protester? Chiara de Blasio, the mayor’s daughter.

datsci_est_2015 9mo ago

Great time to bring up the Imperial Boomerang[1]. My paraphrasing: the weapons and technology that imperial and colonial powers develop or use to control subjugated populations will inevitably be used to also control its own population. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang

leftistlozers 9mo ago

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amsterdorn 9mo ago

> “Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) is a targeting tool designed to improve capabilities for identifying and prioritizing high-value targets What constitutes this "high value"? & valuable to who, ICE agents with an itchy trigger finger?

ryandrake 9mo ago
> What constitutes this "high value"? It's pretty simple[1]. 1: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart

creatonez 9mo ago

Every single engineer who works on this should be in prison for life. Nuremberg trials are coming. Be careful associating yourself with techno-fascists, history will not forget your git commits on evil technologies.

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framenotre 9mo ago

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lanthade 9mo ago
If they were only arresting people not in the country illegally and doing it with constitutionally guaranteed due process then you may have a point. But they aren't. They are arresting, injuring, killing people who are exercising their constitutional rights. ICE has no shred of credibility left. They are not making things safer. I personally know people in Minneapolis (where I live) who's constitutional rights have been trampled on by ICE. ICE is the enemy, all who support them have blood on their hands.
- framenotre 9mo ago
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Erem 9mo ago
What did the 170 citizens detained in immigration raids last year do that was illegal? If it was illegal, why were charges either dropped or never filed to begin with for the majority of these cases? If you are open to understanding why people are so upset, do your mind the favor of reading this high quality reporting on the treatment of US Citizens by ICE https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...
- framenotre 9mo ago
  I'm sure there will be mistakes made. But it's for the collective good of the country.
  - Erem 9mo ago
    Perhaps, if there is good faith effort to minimize that impact on citizens and legal immigrants. Please, please take the time to read that article. Share if you think the administration is making those good faith efforts based on your read.

motbus3 9mo ago

Wasn't there a meme called owl really?

DoingIsLearning 9mo ago

Worth reminding everyone in the EU and UK that this is not a 'them' problem. Palantir is the main software vendor for Europol. Equally pretty much all the 1984 proposals for age or id online verification that are being massaged into existence (both in the UK and pushed by the European Commission) have their fingers all over them. They sell pre-crime and opinion control to our democratic leaders and apparently everyone in Davos loves it.

amarcheschi 9mo ago
For some reasons I think europol officers (the ones taking decisions, at least) are loving ice. They didn't have issues when proposing to expand chat control, which would meant large scale surveillance, so they'd appreciate whatever palantir can come out with
macleginn 9mo ago
Speaking of UK, they also run the NHS data warehousing.

ZeroGravitas 9mo ago

It's not really a good ad for their software as they appear to be grabbing brown skinned people at random.

therealdrag0 9mo ago
Appears based on what? What percentage of detainees do you think are illegal vs legal residents?
advisedwang 9mo ago
Well the idea is that you grab brown people en masse and then scan them with the app. In fact the entire point of the app is to enable grabbing brown people en masse, so it's probably looking pretty good to Noem and the like.

aestetix 9mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

Pwntastic 9mo ago

https://archive.ph/9UPzF https://archive.ph/9UPzF

j_horvat 9mo ago

Anyone who works for Palantir or this corrupt administration should be blacklisted from the industry

welcome_dragon 9mo ago
Maybe we can form the Silicon Valley Un-American Activities Committee?
- kttd 9mo ago
  ADL would like to have a word with you….

hereme888 9mo ago

There's a clear difference in the premises behind the thinking of the "right" vs. the "left". One side sees "evil officers acting too aggressively towards fellow humans", and the other side sees "patriotic police catching criminal aliens, and leftists attacking the police". Those are the two ways of thinking I've noticed.

rootusrootus 9mo ago
To the eventual detriment of the latter, I expect. There are plenty of people currently on the "evil officers" side who would be much more willing to support the mass deportation effort if the ICE officers were calm, unmasked, not using violent SWAT tactics just to apprehend an undocumented immigrant. This intentional violence turns away a lot of people who'd otherwise be sympathetic to the goals.

Grosvenor 9mo ago

This is extremely relevant for the current conversation. All this has happened before. IBM and the holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

duxup 9mo ago

I suspect they are using it in this encounter, where someone just out for a walk is harassed by armed men… https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minneapolis_several_armed_men_do_you_have_id/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea...

lbrito 9mo ago

Reading comment sections for news like this makes one understand better how it is possible that widescale horrible things happen. At first you'll learn about something horrible in the past and think, How could people let that happen, yet alone participate in it? Well, its spelled out pretty neatly here. Some people don't care - its "them" being targeted (jews, tutsi, immigrants), not "us". Some people care, but not in the way you'd think - they agree with the actions. Some people just wash their hands - I was only following orders, I was only working for Palantir. Some will be dismissive or downplay what is happening: its no big deal, its overblown, its being exaggerated and distorted by Radical Left-Wing Terrorists™. This is how bad things happen.

kttd 9mo ago
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mempko 9mo ago

I have a message to all Palantir employees. You can quit, you don't have to make this technology. Palantir cannot function without you. Let me tell you a story. When I was young, just out of college, I worked for a tech startup. The tech startup was a mapping company. At some point I overheard the company CEO talking about how the software I built was being used. I thought it was being used to help track miners and equipment working in mines so that if there is an accident, they know where all the people and equipment are so they can be saved. I learned by overhearing him that the software was being used in the Iraq war to track people to kill. I wasn't supposed to know since I didn't have a security clearance to know. I quit that job over this. I told this story because there are certainly employees there that don't have the clearance to know what is happening. But the reporting is making it clear. You can quit your job. They can't function without you.

chinathrow 9mo ago

How did this fell off the homepage so fast?

rootusrootus 9mo ago
ratio of comments to upvotes is the usual reason

nojvek 9mo ago

We were worried about China using force over Uyghurs. non-white Americans are the Uyghurs now. Congress and Supreme court ought to be reigning the executive branch and enforcing citizen rights according to constitution and bill of rights.

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ThinkBeat 9mo ago

I am pretty underwhelmed by what this tool does. There is a list of suspects. It does not say this is sourced by Palantir, but it is at least consumed. [1] It puts flag on a map where the list says the persons(s) may be. Based on addresses listed in government documents. It indicates the lists ranking of importance. And whatever links to crimes done or crimes suspected of. ICE leadership can add priority meta data to the list. This is not 2026 hyper advanced software. And the government paying huge money for it well that is just public procurement. I mean imagine [1] The list itself being pulled from several data sources.

AndreyK1984 9mo ago

Can someone tell me three things, please! - is ICE illegal or immoral ? Or it is a good tool used wrong ? - can people vote and make ICE stronger / weaker depending on their choice ? - are non registered people breaking the law or not ? Is it basically bad law or bad people ? I am sure US is republic and democracy together, but everyone here pretends ICE is a tool of dictatorship and should be stopped immediately. If you ask about my personal opinion - it is an internal problem of US citizens, and they need to fix it.

rootusrootus 9mo ago
> Or it is a good tool used wrong This. ICE serves a necessary function. It is intentionally being wielded with malice. The target is not immigrants, they are just the face of the brawl, the real target is democratic voters. > can people vote and make ICE stronger / weaker depending on their choice This question is easy to answer. The citizens could easily vote in a new president in 2028 who defunded ICE altogether. We already know that cutting funds is way easier than granting them.
- krapp 9mo ago
  >The citizens could easily vote in a new president in 2028 who defunded ICE altogether. You think that after two more years of this regime that any such candidate would be allowed anywhere near whatever pretense of an electoral system still exists? I need you to understand that the United States is already no longer a democratic republic in anything but name. The system of government you're assuming will fix the mess will have been entirely dismantled by then. The time to fix this within the system was in 2024.
  - rootusrootus 9mo ago
    That rhetoric is popular online, but I have not heard any convincing argument for how it plays out in practice.
    - krapp 9mo ago

rhubarbtree 9mo ago

Does anyone else think that the biggest reason for ICE and the National Guard deployments is to normalise such situations? It seems most likely to me this is being done in preparation for the ending of democracy. If the midterms become mired in controversy, for example, there will be protests on the streets. And these deployments will be ready to crush dissent. This is why deployments are mostly focused on the likely flashpoints.