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Nobel Peace Prize 2025: María Corina Machado
- indiantinker 1y agoShe definitely trumped this one.
- 7874cole 1y agoNobel Peace of Shit.
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- oldpersonintx2 1y ago[dead]
- torlok 1y agoThis does look like the second best option, given his current agenda, though.
- geremiiah 1y agoCheck her Twitter. She supports Trump.
- catlikesshrimp 1y agoShe has to support anybody who doesn't side with Maduro. If Trump starts "admiring" or "falling in love with" or something new, she would backtrack.
- ErneX 1y agoSee I truly respect President Boric from Chile, it’s one of the few progressive leaders from the region that has been outspoken about the Maduro regime and calling it what it is: a dictatorship. Unlike other leaders of the region who could be doing way more. It’s pretty understandable for Mrs. Corina to take whatever support she gets internationally.
- pydry 1y agoIncluding from a certain genocidal regime in the middle east which she supports: https://x.com/VenteVenezuela/status/1286346531591852036 https://x.com/VenteVenezuela/status/1286346531591852036 Providing her with this award while Trump's naval battle groups stand ready to attack Venezuela isnt helping arrest the collapse of the west's moral authority.
- ErneX 1y agoProbably not, but it also sheds some light on left leaning democracies that are too soft with the Maduro regime just because they share some ideology.
- jayknight 1y agoLet's see what Trump has to say about her...
- amanaplanacanal 1y agoI'm guessing he will take credit for her getting the prize.
- rolandog 1y agoYeah, I'm wondering if the Nobel Peace prize has anything to do with peace for people, or for her neoliberalism stance of protection of the free market that would usher peace for the business interests of oil companies [0]. I must confess I am no Venezuelan political expert, and it always gives me pause whether the economic siege that has been laid against Venezuela with the sanctions is about democracy, or about access to unrestricted markets (a la United Fruit Company — now Chiquita — and Standard Fruit Company — now Dole plc). [0]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKU-8MCO10P/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKU-8MCO10P/
- pjc50 1y agoThe problem in South America is that both versions are true. The outside exploitation pressures are extremely strong, so any vaguely socialist government succumbs to the temptation to squash the outside agitators .. and any local opposition who actually have a valid point or real anti-corruption objections. Running a moderate social democrat centrist country in that situation is not stable, instead you get pendulum swings from left to right and back again, with significant human cost along the way. (exception maybe Costa Rica?) To be clear, Venezuela is long past the "popular socialism" phase and decayed into the "strongman holding on" phase.
- kipchak 1y agoThere is also a substantial amount of mostly unexploited rare earth elements like Coltan.
- ludwik 1y agoThat’s like saying Volodymyr Zelenskyy supports Trump. Foreign politicians operate outside of U.S. domestic politics - they don’t get to choose other countries’ leaders. Their job is to use diplomacy to navigate international politics in whatever shape those politics happen to be in.
- philistine 1y agoExactly. People talk as if she’s voting for the guy.
- LightBug1 1y agoNot blanket support, only in relation to Venezuela. Which isn't hard. Even for the orangutan...
- LightBug1 1y agoFuck. I should have qualified the above with "Not necessarily blanket support". A little further research and she sounds like Mrs orangutan.
- kelvinjps10 1y agoIt's because he is the current president of the US and US support it's key for the liberation of Venezuela, she also supported Biden and Kamala Harris, have Kamala Harris won she would have "supported" her. And it's not like she supports Trump, she is not on favor of his policies but she knows his support it's necessary.
- ks2048 1y agoShe said her favorite politician was Thatcher, so seems like a right-wing liberal. She supports the sanctions against Venezuela. I wonder what her views are on US-backed military regime-change and blowing-up random Venezuelan boats.
- VerminOctopus1 1y agoShe has explicitly stated she is in favor of those acts of violence against her country.
- kelvinjps10 1y agoI'm Venezuelan and I don't see those acts as against my country, we hate our current government, at this point after 20 years of the same guys ruining our country we are desperate, and military intervention might be the only solution, because they hold all the power and weapons, and don't care that 80%+ of the population are against them. Although most of us hold the opinion that solving the problem by our own hands would be the best option, it seems like it might not be possible like what happened in 2014, and last year and many others. Military intervention might be the only option left that we have.
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- drstewart 1y agoYep, but why do we care what the socialist dictator Maduro thinks?
- Parae 1y agoI don't think they are talking about Maduro, but a big blond haired baby who likes burger and fascism.
- throw-the-towel 1y agoThis is a tangent, but this type of You-Know-Who speech is so irritating. If you want to say Trump just say it, don't dance around it like he's some kind of god who'll punish you if you say his name in vain.
- toofy 1y agopeople are getting in very real world trouble for saying negative things about certain people or their friends. i’m not sure if you’ve seen how many people have lost their jobs for saying truths about kurk or how many people are losing jobs, scholarships, visas, education etc for saying things about a certain regime, but it’s happening, for real. they’re actively pushing to force people to turn over their social media accounts for review. we can’t blame this poster for vagueposting here. i often pushback against vagueposting but in today’s climate we cant blame people for taking their personal safety seriously when it comes to vocalizing their criticisms.
- pjc50 1y agoSadly, everyone knows what you mean and vagueposting is no protection. I'm reminded of the (apocryphal?) Russian protestor arrested for holding a blank piece of paper.
- bloak 1y agoI don't know about Russia but there seem to be loads of cases of people being arrested (or detained or harrassed by police) for holding up a blank piece of paper, including one case in Cornwall: https://netpol.org/2023/02/10/cornish-protester-assaulted-and-threatened-with-arrest-for-blank-piece-of-paper/ https://netpol.org/2023/02/10/cornish-protester-assaulted-an... In Singapore someone was charged for holding up a piece of cardboard with a smiley face drawn on it: https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/11/26/public-order-in-singapore-has-been-shaken-by-a-hand-drawn-smiley-face https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/11/26/public-order-in-si...
- jansan 1y agoThat is nonsense. Even if the Gaza deal was worthy a Nobel Peace Prize, nobody, including Trump, would expect to be honored two days after the deal.
- ddrdrck_ 1y agoYou mean, nobody except Trump.
- mw67 1y agoThe deal won't even last, we all know Israel can't stop killing until they get all the lands they want, and Trump knows it too: https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1976374346538156429 https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1976374346538156429
- eru 1y agoThey should really have given him one before the deal. I mean, Obama got one just for showing up. (To be clear, I don't think Trump should get one; and Obama's win was really weird. But, hey, if Kissinger can get one..)
- kgwgk 1y agoMaybe they didn’t want to make the same mistake: Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
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- anilakar 1y agoWhen you fuck up world peace so badly your successor gets the prize for doing nothing...
- rkomorn 1y agoNot even "for doing nothing", more like "before doing anything". He wasn't even 10 months into his presidency. If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency. I'm in a circle of people who lean pretty damn far left and even at the time, the only reactions I heard were "huh, what?"
- j4nitor 1y agoI'm so happy as a Finn that we signed big icebreaker deal with Trump just before this. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-finlands-stubb-expected-reach-icebreaker-deal-2025-10-09/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-finlands-stubb-expect...
- throw0101d 1y agoThis was initially worked up under Biden: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_Pact
- WinstonSmith84 1y agoIt was a MAGA talking point from the start, meant for MAGA ppl... The chance he got it was 0%, because: 1- The Nobel Peace Prize is chosen by a committee of 5 Norwegians. Having Russia or Israel expressing support doesn't help, it's probably even counterproductive. Random endorsements on Twitter don't matter either.. 2- The committee values international cooperation, not trade wars, isolationism, or cozying up to dictators. 3- They prize the defense of democracy, not attacks on it. 4- The cherry on the cake: Machado got the prize while he's been threatening war with Venezuela itself. It almost feels like a big f*ck off
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- henrikschroder 1y agoJust yesterday the orange one called for the arrest of two state governors. On charges of... uhhh... hm... Because... uhhmm.. he doesn't like them?
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- xorcist 1y ago> Having Russia or Israel expressing support doesn't help, Please. At least get the facts right. It was not just Russia and Israel. It was also Cambodia, Azerbaijan, Gabon and Rwanda.
- crossroadsguy 1y agoAlso, the current military dictator of Pakistan, and maybe it was done as a state sponsorship, not just a personal one.
- chrneu 1y agoit's not often Gabon shows up to the party. Lol
- thelastgallon 1y agoCan't the baby get one for economics?
- GolfPopper 1y agoThat's not actually a Nobel Prize.
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- knowriju 1y agoWell instead of him directly, his deep state apparatus got it, so there is that.
- jjgreen 1y agoI predict no more US oil for Norway ...
- palmfacehn 1y agoNorway is a net exporter of petroleum. Here is a related tangent: >Norway walks back US Navy fuel supply boycott https://www.bairdmaritime.com/security/naval/naval-ships/norway-walks-back-us-navy-fuel-supply-boycott https://www.bairdmaritime.com/security/naval/naval-ships/nor...
- bratwurst3000 1y agogood one :) I read the irony ;)
- jjgreen 1y agoNot all will ...
- insane_dreamer 1y agoAnd we might just take Greenland from them in retribution! (oh wait, that's Denmark, but never mind, a certain president probably wouldn't know the difference; if some Fox News commentator said that Greenland belongs to Norway, he'd believe it).
- deadbabe 1y agoStop injecting that fool into every conversation, the world doesn’t revolve around him. Discuss the recipient and her accomplishments.
- nothrowaways 1y agoI also know someone who expects a peace prize after creating a department of war.
- deepsquirrelnet 1y agoDavid Frum talked at length about self-abasement in MAGA public culture in his recent podcast for the Atlantic[1]. > I think it also becomes a real test of in-group loyalty to see who can outcompete in slavishness the other members of the circle, who are also competing to be slavish. That’s why you get these strange [phenomena] like Donald Trump’s physicians claiming that he’s the most physically vigorous president ever. > Now, even when Donald Trump was younger, he was a big man, but he was never a great athlete. And now, as he approaches his 80th birthday, he’s obviously not physically fit. > The fact is, you’re not just willing to tell a lie, but tell a lie that abases you, that makes you look foolish, that makes you look like you don’t care about yourself at all, that you only defer to the leader. That’s the real sign of loyalty. It’s flattery that is not meant to be believed but functions as a kind of system of in-group recognition. To me, this is a perfect mirror to Chairman Mao (supposedly) swimming across the Yangtze River in his 70s at a pace faster than an Olympic champion of today. There’s no meaning to any of it. It’s just propaganda and self-abasement for the purpose of loyalty competition to the leader. In fact, the more ludicrous, the better, because it means you’re willing to fully destroy any personal credibility you may have as a sacrifice to show loyalty. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/10/the-david-frum-show-margaret-spellings-school-testing/684489/ https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/10/the-dav...
- cosmicgadget 1y agoWhoa now. He does not create. He rebrands.
- pphysch 1y agoThe same big baby that is allied with Machado in destroying Venezuela's sovereignty?
- tim333 1y ago>The White House has denounced the Norwegian Nobel Committee’s decision to award the Nobel peace prize to someone other than Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/trump-nobel-peace-prize-reaction https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/trump-nobel-...
- duxup 1y agoI think that whole discussion was aimed at people who know nothing about the Nobel Peace Prize ... but many of those would be his fans.
- amysox 1y agoExpect a ketchupnado in the White House...
- haunter 1y ago~10 hours or so before the announcement bets on her skyrocketed on Polymarket https://x.com/polymarket/status/1976434242386317640 https://x.com/polymarket/status/1976434242386317640 Someone without any history whatsoever put 70k on her 5 hours before the announcement https://x.com/polywhalewatch/status/1976499384373121488 https://x.com/polywhalewatch/status/1976499384373121488 Trump was never above 5-10% and out of nowhere she was the winner (see the 1 day market view) https://polymarket.com/event/nobel-peace-prize-winner-2025?tid=1760053423914 https://polymarket.com/event/nobel-peace-prize-winner-2025?t...
- jychang 1y agoThis isn't illegal but feels like it should be illegal. You don't see corporate officers trade their stocks right before a big announcement, because there are laws on it. Other than the fact that polymarket is legally not a stock market, what really is the difference between insider trading on a stock market vs insider trading on polymarket? Does anyone have a good argument for why one should be illegal while the other is legal?
- lordnacho 1y agoIt's to the benefit of the market to have such rules, so it's likely a matter of time, assuming growth continues.
- eru 1y agoJust the opposite. It's to the 'benefit of the market' to let insiders trade. That is, if you think that the point of a prediction market is to get accurate predictions (and the point of a financial market is to get accurate prices). However, I agree that they might get rules against this. But not to benefit the market, just because people think this would be proper. Social desirability bias is strong.
- names_are_hard 1y agoIn the long run, if participants feel they can't ever win because there's always an insider taking advantage, then participants might leave and that's to the detriment of the market. So it might be in the interest of the market to make sure everyone has a fair enough chance. Finding the right balance here is somewhat of an art. This is similar to the way all football teams benefit from fair referees and even matches, even if sometimes it means they lose. Also: the point of an exchange is to make money. Different types of exchanges have different fee structures, but generally their profit is a function of volume, so there primary objective is to attract volume. Since every trade / bet requires two participants, they need to balance the needs of both participants to make it work. Price discovery is a positive side effect of efficient and fair markets, which is why as a society we like them and encourage them, but it isn't what they are trying to achieve except inasmuch as it encourages participation.
- stevefan1999 1y agoLooks like this would prompt Maduro to kill her, and gave US a reason to invade Venezula.
- goku12 1y agoOr someone else on his behalf - even his enemies. Alright, we are into conspiracy theory territory now. But let me just say that these awards make me a bit nervous.
- sien 1y agoThe US attacking Venezuela before 2026 is now at 31% on metaculus. https://www.metaculus.com/questions/39336/us-attacks-venezuela-before-2026/ https://www.metaculus.com/questions/39336/us-attacks-venezue...
- pjc50 1y agoBit late for that, they've already murdered some random Venezuelans at sea.
- zamadatix 1y agoI don't think that met either of the criteria: > This question will resolve as Yes if, before January 1, 2026, the United States carries out a military attack against Venezuela's territory or military forces.
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- yohannesk 1y agoAs an Ethiopian man, I view this new Nobel Peace Prize with profound skepticism, a feeling rooted entirely in the disastrous outcome of Abiy Ahmed's utterly undeserved award. The premature praise he received for peace-making quickly evaporated, leading instead to a catastrophic war and the fragmentation of our nation. His prize has been followed by widespread conflict, massive displacement, and an alarming return to authoritarian rule. For us, the entire Nobel Peace Prize now feels meaningless, a hollow symbol given its failure to prevent—or perhaps its role in emboldening—such terrible suffering in Ethiopia
- yannickt 1y agoFor me, that skepticism began when Obama received the award. To his credit, he did not think he deserved it. But I have never viewed it in the same light since.
- NoGravitas 1y agoThe Nobel Peace prize has been a joke ever since it was awarded to Kissinger in 1973.
- sschueller 1y agoHenry Kissinger got it. He should have been tried at the Hague instead.
- mw67 1y agoBarack Obama is the only two-term President in US history to be at war every day of his Presidency. The only one.
- rob74 1y agoTo his credit: he didn't start any of those wars. But yes, I agree that the Nobel prize was unfounded.
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- ErneX 1y agoShe’s been in hiding since the last elections that Maduro blatantly stole. I lost hope myself about Venezuela but I wish the regime ends soon for those still there enduring it.
- goku12 1y agoI understand your frustration. But you may want to avoid a foreign interference/invasion more than a bad regime. The former is arguably worse than the latter, though there are exceptions.
- squigz 1y agoI feel like "bad regime" is blatantly downplaying the seriousness of it.
- goku12 1y agoI'm not very familiar with the situation in Venezuela. But the 'bad regime' is just a generic phrase that was not intended to convey the seriousness in any sense. However, what I can claim is that you totally ignored the seriousness of a foreign interference and invasion. Yes - a dictatorship is not a good situation at all anywhere in the world. But what good is it for a nation if one horrible regime is to be replaced by another? Do you know how many atrocities western militaries have inflicted in countries that they invaded in the name of liberating them? Many of them compete with the local tyrants on how cruel they can get. You wont learn much about it because the western media doesn't seem to care. Ask the people of countries that suffered western military invasion instead. I'm not sure you realize how much people outside the west resent the 'services rendered' in their countries. It's a long running trope around the world that if there is a serious conflict in any part of the world, it's sure to have the hand of one of two western powers in it. Yet, the western population pat themselves in the back for the virtues of freedom and equality. There are even those who are still proud of their colonial past, believing that they enriched their colonies somehow. Meanwhile, don't forget the depth of xenophobia and racism of the current regime that's virtue signalling with the intent to invade Venezuela.
- unsupp0rted 1y agoIs the Nobel Peace Prize given to people who accomplished a lot as individuals (like Maria Corina Machado) or people who accomplished a lot at scale without doing much beyond a few phone calls and document-signings, like Trump? Because a few phone calls and document-signings can bring about many orders of magnitude more "peace units" in the world, if backed by the world's largest economy and the world's most effective military at projecting power.
- 9dev 1y agoThe Nobel peace prize cannot be given to someone who rebrands the ministry of defence to the ministry of war and proclaims on a stage that he hates his enemies. These things are mutually exclusive.
- eru 1y agoWhy? Do they have rules against that?
- 9dev 1y agoThere doesn't need to be. Basic dignity and logical thinking tell you that an award for honest efforts to facilitate peace awarded to MLK and Mother Teresa cannot be awarded to someone like Donald Trump. And you see that obviously the Nobel committee shares this opinion, which is why he luckily did not receive it.
- ReptileMan 1y agoHave you checked some of the winners? Arafat is there and so are Kissinger - the napalm sticks on kids guy and Obama - the guy that shot hospitals and weddings in Afghanistan. Trump will fit right in.
- eru 1y agoTo be fair, when Obama got the prize, he hadn't done any of that, yet, because he got it right away before he did anything.
- weli 1y agoDon't get me wrong. She has firmly opposed maduro and is a beacon of hope for many in Venezuela but she hasn't accomplished anything meaningful yet? She is just a career politician that just happens to be in the opposition of the venezuelan goverment when Maduro (a dictator) is in power. But she hasn't done anything extraordinary to merit the award.
- ErneX 1y agoBeing the opposition leader there is already something extraordinary. While other opposition figures have ended up coziying up with the regime she hasn’t relented. All while important members of her party have been imprisoned or murdered. She’s also in hiding since the last elections, likely on an embassy but undetermined.
- alejoar 1y agoOpposing a dictatorship at great personal risk, being exiled, banned from elections, and still leading a democratic movement isn't "nothing". I think this prize recognizes her courage and fight for human rights. Dismissing that as "just being in the opposition" ignores the reality of what it takes to stand up to Maduro's dictatorship.
- catlikesshrimp 1y agoMoreover, she had been doing that for over 20 years. I am surprised by all her determination, her courage, and her luck to still be alive.
- croes 1y agoThen the dictatorship can't be as bad as Russia for instance.The opposition dies pretty quickly there. Or fell out of windows.
- ErneX 1y agoYou think that doesn’t happen in Venezuela? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/09/fernando-alban-death-venezuela-opposition-politician-custody https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/09/fernando-alban...
- TrackerFF 1y agoThere has been some speculation that if Trump didn't win this one, he'll lose all motivation in making peace, at least in the near future. Like for example Gaza. The man has the shortest attention span in history, and needs constant dopamine hits to continue on something. But as I said in another thread, María Corina Machado is more than worthy - and well deserved. It is just such a shame that Trump will likely throw the biggest tantrum, and destroy stuff, for no other reason that he didn't get the big shiny thing he wanted.
- goku12 1y agoDo you think he would be motivated to continue, had he been awarded the medal? His wishes would have been satisfied after all.
- 9dev 1y ago> There has been some speculation that if Trump didn't win this one, he'll lose all motivation in making peace, at least in the near future. Like for example Gaza. Were this the reason for him to receive it, he would deserve it even less, and erase every shred of dignity this award ever had.
- tomp 1y agoI think Trump would totally deserve it... if the peace turns out to be a lasting one. Big if, there have been many agreements between Israel and Palestine! Probably need to wait at least 2 years, preferably like 8-10 but by then he might already be dead (natural causes).
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- kmijyiyxfbklao 1y agoThat's interesting. I think the last Venezuelan election showed there are limits to what you can accomplish with peace.
- davedx 1y agoOf course there are limits to everything, but conversely look at what people like Gandhi achieved
- srean 1y agoIt helped that WW-II broke the British. Non Violence needs an audience and a population that i) can feel shame ii) holds some power to do something about it.
- goku12 1y agoGandhi's protests were causing turmoil and dissent within the UK. Not to forget the fact that the massive Indian population had gone into civil disobedience as well, making it costlier to rule India. Anymore issues, including any harm to Gandhi would have caused massive problems for the British, both in India and at their own homeland. They had to spend to keep everybody safe and the situation normal. That wouldn't have been the outcome of a violent revolution. Summarizing, Gandhi's peaceful protest cannot be described in simple terms. There are a lot of nuances. Gandhi's protests are a very valuable source of info on both violent and nonviolent protests. It's easy to talk about an armed or violent revolution. But it's not a decision to be taken very lightly. Apparently, both the sides of the American civil war went into it expecting it to somehow end in a few days! You know the carnage that followed. I have no clue why they held that belief. But it supports the fact that people almost always underestimate the cost of a war. Non-violent protests are more effective at garnering support and mobilizing a huge movement. The human costs are also arguably lesser. I dont know if it's practical all the time. But it should be given a big chance if an opportunity exists.
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- breadwinner 1y agoNotice what they said: This year's peace prize is being given to someone for transitioning a country from dictatorship to democracy. They sure as hell aren't going to give it to someone doing the opposite!
- WmWsjA6B29B4nfk 1y agoNot for transitioning, for "struggle to achieve transition".
- elashri 1y agoTo be honest, both are struggling to achieve the transition, for better or worse.
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- logicchains 1y agoMango Man's going to be overjoyed at having another justification for going to war with Maduro.
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- pydry 1y agoThey certainly wouldnt have given it to Hugo Chavez in 2002 when he overcame the American backed anti democratic coup to overthrow him. Dissidents in countries which are enemies of the west? With enormous oil reserves? With an American fleet poised offshore ready for regime change? Definitely. Who are zionists to boot? Even better. Dissidents in brutal, dictatorial countries (e.g. Saudi) which are allies? Hell no. Never. The nobel prize is a tool of statecraft and that would be a self defeating use of its PR potential to advance western foreign policy goals.
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- AndyMcConachie 1y agoI guess giving it to Juan Guaido would have been too obvious.
- Y_Y 1y agosage
- LeoPanthera 1y ago“Norway braces for Trump’s reaction if he does not win Nobel peace prize” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/09/norway-braces-for-trumps-reaction-if-he-does-not-win-nobel-peace-prize https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/09/norway-braces-...
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- globemaster99 1y agolol!! Most people from rest of the world, minus west, knows what Nobel prize is all about. It is just a political tool for usa and west. Clearly, it about Venezuela oil and gold. Pathetic to see their hypocrisy and double standards.
- snitty 1y agoIs the US going to invade Oslo in retribution?
- Garvi 1y agoLiving in the information age was supposed to mean we'll be better informed. Reading the opinions in this thread just shatters any hope for humanity.
- poszlem 1y agoThe funny thing is, both sides can read your comment and assume you’re talking about the other side having the "wrong" opinion. It’s the kind of platitude that doesn’t really add anything, it just signals that you see yourself as being above "the wrong side", whichever side that happens to be.
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- palmfacehn 1y agoI projected my distaste for rampant partisanship into the comment. So far I've only seen one comment which is informative and on topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45537006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45537006
- Garvi 1y ago> you see yourself as being above "the wrong side", whichever side that happens to be The actually sad thing is, it's pretty damn obvious.
- aylmao 1y agoI'm not sure who is down-voting this comment. Seems pretty accurate to me.
- mrguyorama 1y agoWhy do people have this weird idea that humans reliably pick the correct answer, even given infinite information? Humans are incapable of being rational, it's not how our brains function. We can, with great effort, emulate what we think rational thought would be like. Human brains regularly lie to themselves because it is cheaper or easier than actually processing input. You know that fun retort: "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?", and how it's always trotted out as this supposed retort to someone suggesting you ignore obvious info, but our eyes are lying to us constantly. There are tons of ways your eyes cheat, or lie, or outright ignore reality in favor of some internal model. This isn't even limited to optical illusions! And the same is true of all sensory input we have. There are auditory illusions and ways your ears lie to you. There are things like phantom limbs that demonstrate your brain will ignore explicit and clear reality for no reason. Humans are emotional creatures, like all biological creatures. Humans make choices emotionally Do you think the most emotionally charged information will always be truthful? The outcome we are experiencing was obvious, but people ignored it because that sort of implies that information needs to be filtered or curated and that makes people nervous.
- daliz 1y agoThis is very sad.
- ta20240528 1y agoI feel I speak for a lot of us when I say that Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton should have won it. Just to see what happens.
- johnjames87 1y agoEveryone knows who the real winner is.
- raffael_de 1y agoPurely political topics such as this should be automatically banned by policy on HN.
- verbify 1y agoThe guidelines state: > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
- Propelloni 1y agoWhy?
- palmfacehn 1y agoMore than 90% of the comments are partisan attacks on Trump. I'm happy for her win, but the topic doesn't stimulate a high quality discussion.
- raffael_de 1y agoeven if it did - the submission is purely about politics and should be discussed at r/worldnews for example.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoI'm not seeing that. I am seeing an overwhelming number of comments about Venezuela and the legitimacy of the Nobel Peace Prize over the years.
- wtfwhateven 1y ago>More than 90% of the comments are partisan attacks on Trump. Why would you tell such an easily refutable lie?
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- ksynwa 1y agoWould have preferred it going to aid workers in Gaza or something like that but an NED-funded dissident politician will do as long as it's not Donald Trump.
- pcthrowaway 1y agoGreta or aid workers in Gaza would have been great choices
- chrneu 1y agolol Greta would be a great choice. It would piss off so many people and satisfy the real goal of the peace prize: to stir up controversy.
- pphysch 1y agoIf only it was that simple. The real goal seems to be laundering the reputation of (bad) troublemakers and warmongers.
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- mkoubaa 1y agoI don't think you understand what the Nobel prizes are actually about
- cced 1y agoIt’s all just propaganda to push forward US foreign policy objectives?
- Nevermark 1y agoThings in the US seem to keep sliding toward further power centralization. Regardless of politics, that is bad policy of the highest order (bit). Great opportunity for someone to create some effective opposition. There is a medal in it! Ironically, someone who badly wants a medal is actually in the perfect position to turn around the brain/competency drain, “bring back science”, boost US competition with China’s green tech wave, help Ukraine win (instead of the endless: “not lose for now”), fire the all the senate confirmed bozos… If he did, a Nobel prize would be unconventional under the circumstances. But well worth it nevertheless. No Rushmore. There isn’t enough room left on that mountain for that size of an ego. But maybe a genuine gold working toilet installation for Rushmore tourists. ——— Humor, despair and any bias of mine aside. I am quite seriously unaware of anyone with a good opposition plan, to reverse the power centralization, at this point. Perhaps a constitutional amendment, reaffirming key points of the existing constitution with a highlighter for supreme justices with poor eyesight, might be one promising approach. > “No person shall” [something, something] “hold any office” [something, something], “who, having” [something, something] “engaged in insurrection”, [something, something] “or given aid” [or incited, or encouraged insurrection, or threatened a vice president for not implementing an insurrection, or delayed relief for law enforcement engaged in stopping an insurrection] “or comfort” [or praise or approval or promises of pardons] “to the enemies thereof.” > […All the powers of the purse given to the representative branch, with no provision for presidential “creative” reinterpretation…] > [Etc., etc.] If anyone wants to give a shout out to anyone building effective resistance to the avalanche of presidential power, essentially being voluntarily abdicated by the other two branches, I would be interested to hear of them. (Traditionally that has been a very high consensus bipartisan issue. Not everyone, but most everyone.)
- benrutter 1y ago> Humor, despair and any bias of mine aside. I am quite seriously unaware of anyone with a good opposition plan, to reverse the power centralization, at this point. Interesting point! Bit of a tangent, bit Brazil is in the process of holding Bolsonaro to account for power grabs that have a lot of similarities with what's happening in the US. Too early to call their long term efficacy, but definitely one to watch.
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- severino 1y ago100% true, although the opinion is unpopular in this forum. In the end, this is rewarding some very bad people just because they oppose somebody (supposedly) even worse. But that doesn't have anything to do with "peace". This award lost its meaning a long time ago, maybe Netanyahu will be the winner next year.
- NoGravitas 1y agoShe is also a fervent supporter of Israel, and has said, "Israel's fight is Venezuela's fight."
- skatebearr 1y agoYeah it's the same a criminal dictator than the person risking her life to overthrown him peacefully. Maria Corina is trying to get all the support possible, and in Spain that support clearly comes from the right, not the left. Maybe because the two main left parties have well known ties with the regime.
- anthk 1y agoshe it's the same populist but from the other side of the coin.
- gverrilla 1y agoWhat a joke.
- EbNar 1y agoPoor Trump /s
- GoToRO 1y agoWho said there are no good news? For the people that never lived in a dictatorship here are a few reasons people were killed in one: • grafitty agains the regime • making anti refime jokes • beeing a top official and saying you don't think the direction we are going is good Beeing thrown in prison for years reasons: • owning a walkie talkie. Can be used to organize a revolution they said • listening to foreign radio stations
- NalNezumi 1y agoI don't know much about her but it's truly sad to see how absolutely eeeeeveryyyyy media reporting about this have to report it with Trump, or in relation to his statements. Man must sucks to be her, limelight is still on Trump, truly a showman. And to repeat my point that I do every year: Nobel peace prize is the only part of the price that is actually given out by a foreign political body (Norway, founding member of NATO and Oil nation) and not the Swedish academy. It's famous recepients include presidents that bombed/joined war during/just after been given it and bloggers that kept blogging after surviving shootings. And Henry Kissinger Petition to rename it to "Norwegian peace price". /signed, a Swede
- veqz 1y agoWhat, are you not impressed by us putting retired politicians into an independent committee according to their party's political power in parliament?? Are you suggesting that the committee should consist of some kind of qualified experts instead of non-competent politicians?! Preposterous. Typically of a Swede. (To be fair to Nobel himself, the world was a bit different when he authored his testament, and Norway was relatively innocent still.)
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- LunaSea 1y agoI'm sure that the guy sending to prison and extraditing people without due process is a very deserving of a peace prize.
- DudeOpotomus 1y agoLOL. Do you actually believe this nonsense?
- VerminOctopus1 1y agoThe literal words that she said? Why would we call this nonsense?
- major505 1y agoIts fair. She done a crucial job uniting the different interests of the oposition of the venezuelan goverment/cartel. Too bad they where so divided for so many years, that when they trully worked together to wind a election it was too late because now MAduro dont even care to steal the ellections in plain sigth and probably theres no more solution without violence.
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- madacol 1y agoEven if Venezuela goes to hell even deeper, she still deserves the prize for what she has already done! The way she, and her team, managed to convince venezuelans that the election mattered, and to prepare to gather the evidence of the elections under constant threats from the government, that we all knew they were going to steal, and do it entirely peacefully, was an extremely impressive achievement on its own. What an impressive act of coordination from MCM :standing-ovation:
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- madacol 1y ago... and yet the consequences of what's going is as if there was war, the economy is suffering as if there was war, the people are fleeing as if there was war and dying as if there was war You don't need a war to have a lack of Peace!
- yostrovs 1y agoBut then there are dozens of impoverished and unjust places on earth. I think the reality is that the five exclusively Norwegian politicians on the Peace prize committee are politicians. And they act accordingly. What if the committee would consist of Russian politicians exclusively, or Venezuelan ones?
- ivell 1y agoNobel peace prize was always political. Obama got it. Gandhi was rejected.
- dotancohen 1y agoThis has confused me for long enough. What specific action did Obama do to be awarded the Nobel peace prize?
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- welferkj 1y agoBetween Kissinger, Obama, the Myanmarese CIA asset, etc., it's basically the Nobel Crimes Against Humanity prize at this point. I'm surprised they didn't give it to the Orange Thing.
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- deafpolygon 1y agoTrump is going to be upset.
- jb1991 1y agoThis is absolutely huge, the biggest one. Congrats to Maria. It's really a big one.
- chvid 1y agoThe US is about to invade Venezuela and she is cheering for it.
- aglavine 1y agoMaduro is a cartel drug boss. One of the worst criminal on Earth. Exiled citizens from Venezuela are counted by millions. And still your comment is about 'US invading Venezuela' and not about the people suffering. Maduro is a scum that has took Venezuela by brute force. Any effort to wipe him out will improve dramatically the lives of millions. But please go on with your 'US invading countries' narrative and don't even think for a minute about the people.
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- aylmao 1y agoIf the USA cared about the Venezuelan people they'd lift the sanctions. The USA cares about toppling a regime that knows its sitting on an oil gold-mine and wont let American companies freely run away with it.
- astrange 1y agoYou'd think people would give up on claiming we're trying to take other countries' oil when we didn't take any of Iraq's and instead became an oil exporter ourselves.
- energy123 1y agoMaduro is offering the US access to gold and oil, which the US declined, according to NYT reporting.
- aglavine 1y agoIt is clear that you care about what US cares and not at all about Venezuelan people.
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- Ylpertnodi 1y agoRelease the files.
- bawolff 1y agoYou know, funilly enough, if trump's peace plan for the gaza war actually holds, then that idiot has somehow probably done more for peace than most nobel peace prize winners.
- parrellel 1y agoEh, I'm not holding out much hope, Israel was doing more bombing runs a couple hours ago according to the news.
- dlubarov 1y agoDo you have a source? Israel says the ceasefire started this morning, and they've already been withdrawing troops.
- parrellel 1y agoReading through it, it looks like they were just using all of their 24 hours until ceasefire. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/gaza-city-residents-set-return-085625032.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/gaza-city-residents-set-... Ceasefire went into effect ~5AM Eastern, they were still bombing when I went to bed.
- pluc 1y agoHere come the sanctions
- pphysch 1y agoVenezuela is already heavily sanctioned and on the cusp of military invasion by USA. Machado is a core part of this campaign. She won't be sanctioned, she will be installed.
- kiviuq 1y agoShe supports Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Genocide of the Palestinians
- whodidntante 1y agoI did not recognize her name, but after doing some research, I am impressed by her work, and do not have an issue with her getting the prize. However, her accomplishments were also clear last summer, and I feel it would have been far more appropriate to give her the prize last year. Instead, it went to an organization that has been around for 70 years. While they have done great work, there was nothing they did specifically in 2024 that stood out, at least that I could find. So, clearly, Machado was not an obvious choice, at least last year. Also want to add that I don't think Trump should have gotten it, simply because it is far too early to tell if the current "middle east peace plan" will actually turn out to be more than just fanfare. A better statement would have been to have no peace prize this year.
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- veqz 1y agoThe final nominations are received in January...
- whodidntante 1y agoDid not realize this, you are correct. I thought nominations were accepted until late in the year since so many people were "nominating" Trump, even before the middle east thing. But I am confused, Obama got his prize in 2009, which would mean he did not receive it for anything he did as president, and before that he was only domestically focused, afaik. edit - I also see from other comments that people were placing bets on trump for the prize, which would not make sense if he had to be nominated by 1/31
- croes 1y agoThe "middle east peace plan" is based on threats by Trump, so even if it works that's not Nobel Peace Price worthy
- JumpinJack_Cash 1y agoTrump will never win, nobody who floods the zone with a low signal/noise ratio will ever win this prize or any of the 'elite' prizes. The low signal/noise ratio people are at best perceived as 'communicators' more often jesters. If anything the anomaly of the social media era is that people who put themselves out there as low signal/noise ratio character are even taken seriously at all. Prizes like that are given to people who are perceived to be special, the more you talk and yap the more you give people an opportunity to realize how NOT special you are and how NOT special your character is. Peter Grant did it best with his clients Led Zeppelin back in the days, keeping them in the dark before and after the 3.5 hour shows.
- Stevvo 1y agoIn other news, the US appears to be preparing for war with Venezuela, an invasion is imminent. I wonder if that source of thing affects the committee?
- pphysch 1y agoDefinitely. Machado fits the profile of a "smol bean opposition" and is involved in a situation that USA government has great interest in (and she has great relationships with those on Capitol Hill). While Trump personally wants the award, the USG would have no qualms also lobbying for Machado as part of their "maximum pressure" campaign against Venezuelan sovereignty.
- VeninVidiaVicii 1y agoWhy on earth did she dedicate it to Trump?
- aylmao 1y agoShe's a vocal Trump supporter [1]. [1]: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/maria-corina-machado-nobel-prize-trump-venezuela-b2843103.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- aylmao 1y agoShe's a vocal Trump supporter [1]. Last time Trump was president his administration did attempt to coup Venezuela [2]: > Tapper returned to Bolton’s remark about having helped plan coups. > Bolton said: “I’m not going to get into the specifics.” > Tapper asked: “Successful coups?” > Bolton said: “Well, I wrote about Venezuela in in the book and it turned out not to be successful. > Before Bolton joined the Trump administration, it was widely reported that Trump wanted to use the US military to oust Maduro. In August 2017, Trump told reporters: “We have many options for Venezuela, this is our neighbour.” > “We want as our principal objective the peaceful transfer of power but I will say again, as [Trump] has said from the outset, and Nicolas Maduro and those supporting him, particularly those who are not Venezuelan, should know, all options are on the table.” [1]: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/maria-corina-machado-nobel-prize-trump-venezuela-b2843103.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... [2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-senior-us-official-john-bolton-admits-planning-attempted-foreign-coups-2022-07-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-senior-us-official-j...
- nothrowaways 1y agoRigged
- yalogin 1y agoCare to elaborate?
- thelastgallon 1y agoWhite House knocks Nobel Committee for snubbing Trump, but Peace Prize winner praises him: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/10/trump-nobel-peace-prize-machado-cheung.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/10/trump-nobel-peace-prize-mach...
- DudeOpotomus 1y agoDo you also think that strippers are into their customers?
- thelastgallon 1y agoYes! Don't they always say you are the smartest, wittiest, nicest person they encountered?
- danielovichdk 1y agoNow, go out and fight for what you believe in.
- keybored 1y agoThere is a lot of conflict in the world. Causes that seem more urgent and important than yet another supposed authoritarian regime in Latin America. To my understanding the biggest problem in Venezuela (and it’s a big problem) is the terrible living conditions. I don’t know how much the supposed regime is to blame for that and if a supposed good government would have done a better job. Maybe a good goverment would have still managed a country with poor living conditions for the majority. But we wouldn’t hear about it in the news because The West has labelled it as a good government. (How selective is the reporting on countries with bad living conditions?) I read the bio. I don’t know enough about Venezuela to judge whether she is a pro-democracy fighter or just another politician who wants power for herself. Certainly you can label any candidate pro-democracy if they oppose your most disfavorite regime. So I’m not going to spend two hours researching what the Venezuela situation is about and whether this is a good award or if it’s just trying to stick a thumb in the eye of a regime that The West doesn’t like. Just so I can argue through six replies with five different people about (either) how downtrodden the Venezuelans are or how manufactured the outrage against the government is. (But you can guess which side I am most likely to fall on.) Wake me up in two weeks when there’s a topic on democracy itself. And then the tone has shifted from Democracy Uber Alles to actually, did you know that Plato the most smartest man in the world was skeptical about democracy, actually I think a pseudo-democracy where only smart people get to decide would be great, actually.
- WhereIsTheTruth 1y agoCIA congratulating itself
- yucky_facts 1y agoPeace Deals Under Current Admin (2025–Present) Date: June 2025 Deal: Rwanda-DRC Peace Agreement Parties: Rwanda, DRC Desc: Preliminary White House deal + Qatar ceasefire; ends proxy wars over resources. RW troop pullout, DRC disarmament, investment. US Role: Trump-brokered; signed late June, impl. July. Fragile per critics. Date: July 2025 Deal: Cambodia-Thailand Ceasefire Parties: Cambodia, Thailand Desc: Truce halting border skirmishes (40+ killed, 300k displaced); med. by Malaysia w/ US-China input. Tackles old border disputes. US Role: Trump supported via leader calls; started July 28, but accusations of violations linger. Date: July 2025 Deal: Egypt-Ethiopia Peace Accord Parties: Egypt, Ethiopia Desc: De-escalates Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam tensions; water-sharing & security coop to avoid Nile conflict. US Role: US shuttle diplomacy; fits African stability efforts. Date: July 2025 Deal: India-Pakistan Truce Parties: India, Pakistan Desc: Renews/expands Line of Control ceasefire; cuts firing, opens econ corridors. US Role: Personal Trump calls; credited w/ averting nuclear risks. Date: July 2025 Deal: Israel-Iran Rapprochement Parties: Israel, Iran Desc: Econ normalization & de-escalation; security guarantees, less proxy fights in Syria/Yemen. US Role: Brokered post-Iran nuclear pressure; called a "major stride" for stability. Date: August 8, 2025 Deal: Armenia-Azerbaijan Peace Declaration Parties: Armenia, Azerbaijan Desc: Ends 35+ yr Nagorno-Karabakh war; White House-signed. Creates "Trump Route" (TRIPP) corridor for trade/energy, cuts Russian sway. US Role: Trump hosted & negotiated; boosts Caucasus transit/resources. Date: October 8, 2025 Deal: Israel-Hamas Gaza Ceasefire (Phase 1 of 20/21-Point Plan) Parties: Israel, Hamas (med. Egypt/Qatar/US) Desc: Ends 2-yr war: ~100 hostages freed by Oct 13, prisoner swaps, troop pullback to pre-2023 lines, 72-hr truce. Long-term: Hamas disarm, Gaza rebuild under intl board (Trump chairs). US Role: Trump's big win; Kushner/Witkoff finalized in Egypt. Hailed as "everlasting peace."
- cynicalpeace 1y agoI sincerely pray that Maria Corina achieves her goals. Incredible bravery. I'm pretty sure she remains in hiding in Venezuela to this day My "acid test" for whether or not someone on the left actually cares about freedom, democracy, etc is whether or not they support the Maduro government There's a shocking amount of people who do!
- groos 1y agoAny meaning associated with the Nobel Peace Prize was demolished when Obama got it without having done anything meaningful except running a campaign on 'Hope'. This was the person that subsequently ok'd 3,000+ drone strikes in Afghanistan, a huge number of which caused heavy collateral damage. Imho, the Nobel Peace Prize should have no money associated with it and be given only posthumously.
- mjd 1y agoPretty sure they had already spoiled it by giving it to F.W. de Klerk, Yasser Arafat, and Henry Kissinger.
- yandrypozo 1y agooh wow I didn't know about those figures getting the price, super crazy!!
- aylmao 1y agoThey famously never gave it to Gandhi too, in spite of him being nominated 5 times [1]. It's crazy to me that Kissinger got it, but not Gandhi. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#Mahatma_Gandhi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#Maha...
- roncesvalles 1y agoTruly wild. Gandhi lived and breathed peace, almost to a fault. Kissinger is one of the last people on Earth among his contemporary to deserve it.
- SAI_Peregrinus 1y agoKissinger's actions lead to a whole hell of a lot of people achieving the peace of the grave. I don't think that's what Alfred Nobel had in mind for the prize.
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- enbugger 1y agoInstead of Trump, they decided to award a democratic party asset that's relevant to current agenda. Just to piss him off apparently.
- gcanyon 1y agoI wonder if she would rather not have won it? Being the focus of frustration of someone with enormous capacity to thwart your efforts or even destroy your country can't be a pleasant position to be in. For her sake I hope he quickly finds something else to be pissed off about.
- raffael_de 1y ago"This recognition of the struggle of all Venezuelans is a boost to conclude our task: to conquer Freedom. We are on the threshold of victory and today, more than ever, we count on President Trump, the people of the United States, the peoples of Latin America, and the democratic nations of the world as our principal allies to achieve Freedom and democracy. I dedicate this prize to the suffering people of Venezuela and to President Trump for his decisive support of our cause! https://xcancel.com/MariaCorinaYA/status/1976642376119549990 https://xcancel.com/MariaCorinaYA/status/1976642376119549990
- NoGravitas 1y agoShe just dedicated her award to Trump, lmao.
- gigatexal 1y agoIt made my day a 100x better that they didn't cave and give it to Trump. Him sewing division at home is grounds for impeachment I'd hope but congress doesn't function anymore so.
- nwhnwh 1y agoOh, my dear corrupt Nobel prize. I love oil too.
- standardUser 1y agoBefore authoritarian rule, Venezuela was one of the wealthiest nations in the global South (if not one of the wealthiest period in the 50-60s). Then Chávez came along and stacked the courts with lackeys, intimidated critical media outlets and harassed journalists, diverted state spending for political patronage, demanded loyalty oaths from underlings, injected "Bolivarian" ideology into schools and sports, took control of private industry... I'd tell you what he did to elections but we'll all find out soon enough.
- moralestapia 1y agohttps://x.com/leadingreport/status/1976662248887402924?s=46 https://x.com/leadingreport/status/1976662248887402924?s=46 Uh oh! Time to flip the switch! Mega-LMAO.
- croes 1y ago>The Nobel Peace Prize 2025 was awarded to Maria Corina Machado "for her tireless work promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela and for her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy" >I dedicate this prize to the suffering people of Venezuela and to President Trump for his decisive support of our cause - Maria Corina Machado Seems to me democracy isn't her real priority or why flatter someone who tries to transition from democracy to dictatorship?
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- vixen99 1y agoFor the record: Hamas leader Dr Basem Naim has publicly acknowledged Trump's part in bringing terrorists to the table, saying: ”Without the personal interference of President Trump in this case, I don't think that it would happen to reach this end, the end of the war.”