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ReMarkable Paper Pro Move
- deafpolygon 1y ago€479 euros... is a lot of money to stomach when I can get an iPad+Pencil for about the same price (does much more and is much faster).
- cebert 1y agoI’ve been considering purchasing a ReMarkable device primarily for note taking. Has anyone tried both the Kindle Scribe and ReMarkable devices? It’s difficult for me to determine which one to go with and they’re quite expensive.
- drum55 1y agoI have a RPP and it’s an almost device, it’s so close to good in many ways and falls flat in others. My biggest gripe with it originally was that the next and previous page gestures worked perhaps one in three attempts, which has been fixed in the most recent software that reduced the perceived latency of everything dramatically. Beyond that it’s a weird experience, it’s sort of usable with open source tools but requires a lot of hacks to not have it sync with their cloud offering if you want privacy. Even if you use their cloud services it often feels a bit clunky and half considered where buttons and controls end up being. I love the hardware, it’s an amazing looking screen, it feels ultra premium, the folio cases people have made for it fit perfectly in my bag.
- sbrother 1y agoI have it too and feel the same way. If I could easily just use it as a text terminal -- with emacs and ssh support -- I would use it every day. But when I looked up the hacking side of things it looked like a lot of work and kind of sketchy.
- Figs 1y ago> requires a lot of hacks to not have it sync with their cloud offering if you want privacy That killed my interest in their previous devices.
- beoberha 1y ago“Almost device” is a perfect way of putting it. I only have an RM2, but I was never able to get into a flow where I’d easily and happily reference the notes I’d taken. The UX was so clunky it took forever to navigate the folder structure and the cloud sync was frustratingly proprietary.
- whatevertrevor 1y agoI agree (as another RM2 user). It's great for writing stuff down, but for retrieval it's at best high-friction, sometimes just plain irritating. If a workflow for exporting my remarkable notes as SVG to obsidian but then also running OCR over them so I can search through them (without converting them to editable text because that's usually a formatting nightmare) existed, I'd be so happy as it would solve the retrieval problem.
- SoMomentary 1y agoTheir latest update just introduced indexing for handwriting + text, so now you're able to search through all of your notes! This has been a huge QoL upgrade for me.
- baby_souffle 1y agoKindle scribe has been a disappointment. Unless you're going to go through all the work needed to jailbreak, your subject to whatever software changes Amazon wants to push on you with next to no notice. I haven't looked much since shortly after a launch of the original scribe but I was infuriated to find out that they didn't have a straightforward or simple API for extracting notes and that wasn't something they had on the road map for immediately after release either. To the best of my knowledge, there is still no convenient way to extract handwritten scribbles and store them as an SVG alongside OCR inside of an obsidian vault. I would love to be proven wrong on this though. If you don't plan to do a ton of handwriting, the scribe is a gorgeous and large screen. Reading long form documents on it would be a treat if it wasn't such a pain in the ass to side load and synchronize PDFs. Now I just do everything through my iPad with a pencil and it's almost as good...
- whoisburbansky 1y agoOTOH, koreader on the Scribe post jailbreak is easily the best large format PDF reading experience I've ever had.
- codazoda 1y agoThese days you can email a searchable PDF of your notebooks. I would guess you can extract these with simple tools, though I keep mine as PDF.
- OhioMan2943 1y agoI have a boox go 10.3 it's alright- the android app functionality makes it more useful than others
- ordinaryradical 1y agoI have the Remarkable 2 and my only gripe is being unable to use a mechanical keyboard with it. In every other regard it is truly a delight, perhaps even a perfection of certain modes of thinking.
- jonprobably 1y agoPartner had remarkable. I bought a scribe. Tried both side by side for a month. Scribe lets you read your kindle books, draw on them, and write notes. Hard to get the notes off the device. RM lets you sync automatically. The rest of their software is total junk (see App Store ratings). It was more glitchy. Marginally better writing. Monthly fee. Both make exporting notes more difficult than it should be. My current go to - paper and pen with chatgpt app on phone - snap a photo to extract my writing. I kept the scribe for reading books - rarely use it over the kindle app on my phone. Hope it works for you though- love the idea.
- whatevertrevor 1y agoI'm trading classes with my partner on my remarkable (she's teaching me Social Choice Theory, me her Physics), I agree with almost everything you said but there are a few reasons why I'm going the Remarkable route here: - I don't need to take pictures manually, all lectures are automatically stored, and much easier to flip through instead of a library of photos (which I'd have to later organize). - I use the screenshare feature which turns my Remarkable into a whiteboard. I could get an actual whiteboard but then we're back to taking manual pictures in the middle of lessons, which will definitely be an impedance.
- Tepix 1y ago> My current go to - paper and pen with chatgpt app on phone - snap a photo to extract my writing. I‘m not sure what you‘re writing but sending it all to a US cloud - do you not care about privacy at all?
- dmitrygr 1y agoPlease do not buy from reMarkable (see sibling comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45121821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45121821)
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- ge96 1y agoFunny I almost wish I bought an RM2 (again) I got a PineNote and it had a $100 import duty This device for me is odd/too small it's like you'd have 2 phones. Though I've seen those e-ink phones. The writing feel is great on the RM2 and the battery life wow. Charge it once a month deal.
- floren 1y agoI would really like to get a PineNote but by the time I came to that conclusion, tariffs made it very unappealing :(
- whatevertrevor 1y agoI wish Remarkable had better software compatibility though. Importing books from Kindle is a multi-step process, a bunch of formats aren't supported, and their first party app doesn't even work on linux. Haven't tried OCR on it, but I've heard other e-Readers have them beat on that end too.
- mandeepj 1y agoI find the name is a bit unrelated! Move as in move your data?
- rapfaria 1y agoMove like mobile phones Now the "Pro"...
- whatevertrevor 1y agoThe Pro is because it's a colored display. Though I do agree I can't wait until we're done with the whole "Pro" branding non-sense everywhere in hardware.
- vzaliva 1y agoMay I use to read books (epubs?). I am not carrying another device, but it could replace my Kindle.
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- whatevertrevor 1y agoIf your primary use case is to read books off of Kindle, I'd say no, because Remarkable doesn't run on Android, and as such has no Kindle app. You can de-DRM Kindle books to read on it, but then you're adding these steps for no real gain. If you're reading comics, then maybe, because this device is expensive precisely for the colored-e-ink screen. But even then better alternatives for that usecase probably exist, as the e-ink space is filled with Android based devices with better format compatibility.
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- calmbell 1y agoCheck out the Boox Palma 2. It has been an excellent Kindle replacement for me and is in the same smartphone form factor as the Paper Pro Move.
- dmitrygr 1y agoI used to be a huge fan of these guys, going as far as buying their extremely expensive $800 device as gifts for a few friends, but now I advise anybody and everybody against ever giving them money Two separate reasons. One: they design hardware very poorly, and when advised and shown, do not fix it. I am convinced this is on purpose, and this saddens me. I can share my email exchange where i advised them on this. Did not go anywhere. This has been the cause of a lot of broken USB C ports on remarkable2. I have documented this extensively with photos on multiple devices. No sane person places a USB-C port that will interact with the a real user in the real world, handling insertion/removal forces on the very very edge (less than 1mm from edge) of a very very thin (0.4m thick IIRC) PCB, without affixing it to something else as well -- to take the load. They did. Predictably, it breaks. Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/eu4P8fnaNtV9vhMo7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/eu4P8fnaNtV9vhMo7 . The video in there, via microscope, you can see how the contacts peeled off. Larger photos show the PCB and how the connector is "affixed". Final photo is after it was fixed, but before the epoxy was added by me Two: they took features that were part of the original very expensive product, bought under the understanding that "I pay you much $$, you do not nickel and dime me ever again", and locked them behind paywalls of monthly service years after original purchase. They did sort-of grandfather-in all existing users, but not if you reset the device or gift/transfer it. Devaluing/crippling products post facto is something that should never be rewarded. Companies that do that should fail. Please help reMerkable fail for the above anti-user behaviour. They deserve it.
- mmastrac 1y agoI use a magnetic charger adapter for mine. I can see how these could break over time but the magnet has never failed me.
- choilive 1y agoI have a friend that went through 3 remarkables due to failures, I didnt dig into the root cause but I suspect you might be right on the USB-C port since they all "stopped charging".
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- wenc 1y agoI’m not sold on e-ink devices being a creation device. The refresh rate is too slow and the resolution is too low. I realized there was already a device that was perfect for note taking on an infinite canvas. I use an iPad and Apple Pencil (bought refurb on backmarket.com) with paper like surface [1] I install nothing in it except Apple Freeform. (No distractions) High refresh rate, Retina display, excellent pen pressure, and fast chip. Cheaper than RM2 if bought refurb. [1] https://a.co/d/dHLwPp1 https://a.co/d/dHLwPp1
- esperent 1y ago> I install nothing in it except Apple Freeform. (No distractions) How do you uninstall Safari? That's the most distracting app of all.
- unmotivated-hmn 1y agoYou can disable javascript which in my opinion makes it unusable.
- kstrauser 1y agoIt’s not exactly that, but: Open Shortcuts. Go to Automations. Create one, for App, when Safari is opened, run immediately. Create a new blank shortcut. Add one action: go to Home Screen. Now when you open Safari, it instantly closes again. You can disable that by turning off the automation. It’s more of a slap on the wrist than a handcuff, but a reminder that you don’t want to use the app on that device.
- hedora 1y agoYou can also hide it via screen time so the icon does not appear.
- JohnKemeny 1y agoWhat do you mean by creation. I'm a mathematician and my "creations" are small notes, comments, and very simple figures. I've never (besides flipping pages) experienced any noticable lag or delay.
- choilive 1y agoIts unfortunate that the supply chain for eink/epaper displays all seem to be centering on typical mobile device aspect ratios (like 16:9 for this device) particularly because remarkables are marketed as productivity oriented replacements for notebooks. I would much rather have a A6 or A5 sized display or any other standard size for paper notebooks.
- krabizzwainch 1y agoI have a Supernote Nomad and love the size of it, which is A6 sized. I struggle to see how making one more narrow than an A6 pad is useful. This Remarkable kind of looks more like a long post it note or grocery list instead of a notebook.
- spankibalt 1y ago> I struggle to see how making one more narrow than an A6 pad is useful. The trick to something narrower is to get comfortable with doodling in landscape mode, e. g. for classroom notes, and scroll (and orientation-switch) accordingly when neccessary. Ideally you'd have physical complementary buttons present, but a good touchscreen with palm rejection works as well. To-do lists and the like can be done vertical mode. In other words, a digital notepad. Now you only have to built a corresponding smartphone-sized, pen-focused, modular and connectable open-standards general-purpose computer. :) ... :( The reMarkable looks too underpowered and maybe too enshittified (subscriptions, lock-ins) to be used for anything else but a digital notepad.
- krabizzwainch 1y agoLandscape mode would make sense, if scrolling on eInk wasn't completely awful. I can sometimes deal with it on really light websites like Wikipedia, but I just prefer not to. I will say that my supernote really is just a digital notepad. I keep all my work to do lists organized on it. But since it's Android and supports side loading apps, I have the Kobo app and read a ton on it even without a backlight.
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- nathan_compton 1y agoI was deeply enthusiastic about epaper devices for awhile and I tried all kinds of things. Eventually, I decided paper is better. I used to like the idea of my notes being capture automatically but you can just take pictures of them if you use a notebook.
- codazoda 1y agoI also got enthusiastic about them, but I ended up embracing the Kindle Scribe. I just completed my 12th monthly notebook, so I’ve been at it for over a year now. I was using regular notebooks but I was collecting too many and I was worried about storage and loss. I wrote about the experience a few months into it. https://notes.joeldare.com/handwritten-notes-on-the-kindle-scribe https://notes.joeldare.com/handwritten-notes-on-the-kindle-s... I do not read on mine, it’s exclusively for writing. Possibly because switching is too slow.
- beeflet 1y agoI've come to the same conclusion. It's just easier, especially for things that involve diagrams. $10 worth of notebooks and pens is a much better value than something that is more fragile, has to be charged, etc and orders of magnitude more expensive. Also, I tend to only write things down as a note-taking and memorization exercise, or to think out a certain idea. I usually don't have to read the notes again. So the archiving functionality of having digital paper-like notes is not nessisarially more useful, and it is often more difficult to search through than physical notebooks. Anything I really need to read later, I can write succinctly in a text file or something. I also don't like getting locked into a certain ecosystem. Xournal++ is the only open-source cross-platform app I can find, and it's not that good. Even for reading physical books, you can find a lot of used paperbacks for less than $10, which is very little when you consider the value of the time you spend reading them, the ease of flipping through pages and being able to dog-ear them, and the collectible aspect of the book covers covers. An eink tablet be nice for reading textbooks and papers that are more expensive and require pirating, however. But for now I just use a regular screen in portrait.
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- fuzzythinker 1y agoReally can't see how it can sell well priced this high.
- debugging 1y ago$700+, that's a little steep folks for replacing paper :)
- mrcsharp 1y agoI have the ReMarkable 2 so I am biased here but these devices do more than replace paper. My fav feature so far has been screensharing from the ReMarkable 2 while on online meetings. So while their whole thing is about replacing paper, it actually does a lot more than just that.
- debugging 1y agoThe problem with such an expensive device is the fear of dropping it, for me at least I don't think I would be comfortable using it on a daily basis. It must be a great device though, too bad the local electronic stores don't have them on display.
- Seattle3503 1y agoWhat operating system does this run?
- jcelerier 1y agoLinux with a custom Qt Quick-based UI: https://developer.remarkable.com/documentation/qt_epaper https://developer.remarkable.com/documentation/qt_epaper all the information is pretty public: https://developer.remarkable.com/documentation/software-stack https://developer.remarkable.com/documentation/software-stac...
- smithza 1y agoIt is a Linux variant. Has been rootable in the past.
- mrcsharp 1y agoSorry, but A$799 for this one makes no sense when the ReMarkable 2 is A$699.
- beoberha 1y agoI am happy to be proven wrong but I’m shocked they believe there is a market for this size at all, let alone at $450! The sample text on the stock images looks useless. I wanted to love my RM2 so much. The write path is great. Writing notes on it during a meeting is a genuinely good experience. The read path: not so much. EInk UXs are so clunky especially when you’re used to how fluid phones are. Forget scrolling through your notes - It’s maddening. Pretty good ereader though.
- branon 1y agoI found the lack of backlight and built-in dictionary to mostly cripple the e-reading experience on rM2. Format support wasn't great either, only PDF and EPUB. Which does cover most bases, to be fair. AZW3 and MOBI aren't dealbreakers, but... really, no TXT?
- squigz 1y agoNo dictionary on an e-reader?! What the heck? Can you at least install your own or is there simply no lookup functionality at all?
- branon 1y agoThere is no lookup functionality at all that I could find. You cannot install your own dictionary on the stock firmware. I wound up down the https://toltec-dev.org/ https://toltec-dev.org/ rabbit hole which was fun and gets me additional features but has its own issues (suspend/resume is dodgy sometimes now) Again to be fair the rM2 is not sold as an _e-reader_ per se. But regardless I do find the e-reading experience weak.
- squigz 1y ago> Again to be fair the rM2 is not sold as an _e-reader_ per se. But regardless I do find the e-reading experience weak. It's just such basic functionality that... why would you not, if even a small function of the device is indeed to read files? Honestly from what I'm reading in this thread I'm rather turned off by ReMarkable now, which is sort of disappointing. Still, I'm glad to see more and more e-ink options.
- captainkrtek 1y agoNearly the same price as a new iPad mini (costs $50 less). Maybe it takes notes better (though I took notes with my mini just fine), but struggling to see the value at this price point.
- hinkley 1y agoA lot of people get bitchy if you have a tablet or laptop open in a meeting.
- anamexis 1y agoThis is a tablet. Are people predicating their bitchiness on what kind of screen it has?
- hinkley 1y agoIs there a web browser and social networking on this 'tablet'? You're using a very literal definition of tablet that seems more argumentative than constructive. Care to try rephrasing?
- fluidcruft 1y agoThat doesn't seem like a particularly defensible reason to invest in one tool vs another to me. ymmv
- hinkley 1y agoThe amount of tech we purchase trying to solve social problems in enormous.
- wenc 1y agoOnly if you type. Oddly, no one gets offended if you scribble with your Apple Pencil. It looks like you're taking notes.
- bigyabai 1y agoIf you get both with a stylus the price ends up being more-or-less equal. As someone who isn't in the Apple ecosystem it seems like a bit of a toss-up for me.
- hinkley 1y agoHuh. The smaller one is cheaper. Look at that.
- kami23 1y agoThese things not being android based is always a deal breaker for me because I have so many sources of DRMed audiobooks or ebooks that would just be a hassle on a lot of these e-ink devices, which is something I really want out of these note tablets. I got a boox air note 4c with the original intention of using it for comic books with some basic coloring, but have found it significantly more useful for notetaking over anything else. UX is still abysmal in some ways that make starting notes a chore, but it's increased my note taking and journaling significantly.
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- egypturnash 1y agoFour hundred and fifty dollars for a simulation of a roughly-A5 notebook. If you want a really nice A5 notebook it can run you an entire twenty five bucks. https://www.dickblick.com/products/leuchtturm1917-sketchbooks/ https://www.dickblick.com/products/leuchtturm1917-sketchbook... Wanna share what's on it? Your phone has a camera, right?
- fragmede 1y agoUnfortunately, that picture doesn't update automatically, so if you add things to that page, you have to retake the picture. Worse, if you don't take a picture of a page, there's no digital copy of it! If you've left your paper notebook at a different location, you can't take pictures of it unless you go to where it physically is! Inconceivable, I know, but it turns out there are benefits to a digital notepad. If you're too poor/cheap to spend money on high quality tools, that's your problem, but no, your paper notebook doesn't let you draw a lasso around a section of the page, copy and paste it onto a new page, and then resize it.
- egypturnash 1y agoxerox machines still exist you know
- grogenaut 1y agoMy wife's RM can't sync right now due to some time bug. RM's answer was to buy a new one and start paying the cloud subscription.
- dmitrygr 1y agoRM/RM2 run linux and you can SSH in and copy files to/fro. It is not hard
- elliotec 1y agoWhat an awful experience for a device that explicitly should not have to do this.
- yupyupyups 1y agoIt's very nice that the option is available though.
- elliotec 1y agoYes, I absolutely agree with that.
- grogenaut 1y agoThey told her how to ssh but nothing else. Painful for her on a product she loves that is actually fine
- lastdong 1y agoHave you tried RCU — reMarkable Connection Utility (sync files over USB or WiFi) https://www.davisr.me/projects/rcu/ https://www.davisr.me/projects/rcu/ Regardless, expected better support response for a product in this price range.
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- kstrauser 1y agoI understand that they deliberately make focused devices with no desire to have a million distracting features. That’s nice. I appreciate it. But for the life of me, this thing screams to have a calendar app. My life involves plenty of meetings now. If I could take this to one meeting and look at it to see what my next meeting will be, I think I’d never want anything else. Not anything fancy. Not even a way to add or edit appointments. Just show me a list of where I’m supposed to to be today. (And to anyone who’s about to point out that I could lot that info down at my desk before I get up to walk to the meeting room, lemme stop you right there. That’s not happening.)
- aweiher 1y agoI'm considering a new reMarkable, but the lack of an official sdk for the cloud API is a major concern. The community has built amazing tools for remarkable device, but their work is constantly being broken by software updates. This isn't a sustainable situation. For a company that charges for a cloud service, providing a stable, official API should be a priority. It would not only support the community's innovation but also provide a reliable foundation that developers and users can trust for the long term. As long as a stable, official API isn't provided, I won't be buying a new device from them.
- geor9e 1y agoCool but wish it was either a phone case (draw in e-ink on back of phone) or had good sync to my macbook (my letter paper size remarkable table is absolute garbage at sync - very painful process). This isn't convenient enough to warrant existing imo. Ironically the $2 aliexpress lcd pad I bought gets more use than my remarkable these days (same as https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BBPV4491 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BBPV4491 )
- oliyoung 1y agoWonderful idea Inexplicable price point
- mariusor 1y agoSmall company, low volume product, high production premiums. Not everyone can afford Amazon and Apple level volumes.
- syntaxing 1y agoMy biggest reservation about remarkable is the subscription service. How is the experience if you don’t pay for the Connect service?
- SuperShibe 1y agonot exactly what you asked for but there's a community project you can selfhost[1] that emulates the cloud on your own server [1]https://github.com/ddvk/rmfakecloud https://github.com/ddvk/rmfakecloud
- loughnane 1y agoI use rmfakecloud even though i'm grandfathered in to the cloud. It's great. I locked the fw on my remarkable 2 to 2.x and used ddvk hacks and it's just worked for years. I don't need any new features.
- Groxx 1y agoI've been considering downgrading tbh. The new stuff is mostly good, but the infinite-page conflicts a lot with other gestures (I really wish I could disable it) and it's overall noticeably slower nowadays.
- loughnane 1y agoFor a while I kept feeling the urge to upgrade. Now I view it as an appliance so the urge is gone.
- summermusic 1y agoI'm curious too, because there is a help page[1] linked in the FAQ that appears to be completely blank! [1] https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/Using-reMarkable-without-a-subscription https://support.remarkable.com/s/article/Using-reMarkable-wi...
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- senectus1 1y agothese clowns continue to produce fantastic technology that cant be properly managed in the enterprise space. We have C levels's clambering for these things but we cant secure them and manage them. FIX IT! we'll buy them and use them but you guys need to grow up and mature your product first!
- fooker 1y agoIt’s standard Linux underneath that you can lock down or modify. If your enterprise does not have the expertise to handle that, you need chromebooks I guess.
- eythian 1y agoI noticed in the 3.20 release notes they said they're working on this, and to contact them for early-access. https://remarkable.com/business https://remarkable.com/business though you'll have to scroll past the marketing guff for a bit.
- FouzR 1y agoThey have mentioned about more enterprise/business options with SSO and MDM, but it's either in beta or coming soon https://remarkable.com/business#:~:text=A%20beta%20program%20for%20this%20solution%20is%20already%20underway.%20If%20your%20organization%20would%20like%20to%20be%20considered%20for%20participation%20in%20the%20beta%2C%20please%20contact%20our%20business%20solutions%20team. https://remarkable.com/business#:~:text=A%20beta%20program%2...
- speakspokespok 1y agoFor those on the market for something the size of a standard sheet of paper whats recommended? Side loading PDFs and the size I mentioned are the main requirements. I'd prefer not to jail-brake but I have and I can.
- loloquwowndueo 1y agoBoox Note Max. a4 size, expensive as hell ($650 I think), but it runs Android, can install stuff from the play store or side load apk. Ships with a very capable document reader can handle ebook formats, pdf and has good support for drawing and annotations.
- Scene_Cast2 1y agoThere's also the Box Tab X C, the color variant. Has color (and thus a backlight and the DPI tradeoff), and the pen is not Wacom. There's also the Fujitsu Quaderno gen 3 as well - half the weight but can't do epub or mobi.
- wuschel 1y agoRegretably, the Boox Note Max or Remarkable might be a better choice than any Fujitsu reader. I am on my second device from Fujitsu and I will not purchase another one. Like the Sony DPT readers, the Quaderno is would be great product ... however, 1. there is no customer service in the EU/US markets. Something broke? Bin it. 2. the devices are quite fragile, with poor longevity. 3. the closed source software does not support modern systems such as Apple's M4 Macbook series. Disclaimer:
- ivape 1y agoI think most people into these devices always advise getting the largest writing surface possible. This is a "cute" device, but if you are serious enough about note taking (which you'd have to be to get one of these things at these prices), then you are limiting yourself with this size.
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- october8140 1y agoMy dream product for this kind of thing is a pen that is able to remember what to write on any paper. Like if you click it open it's a new "note" and it syncs to your computer/phone.
- lazyasciiart 1y agoThe current not-actually-available instance of this is Nuwa Pens
- 6DM 1y agoI think live scribe is what you're looking for. I've never used it but at some point they were buying them for people at my first job. https://us.livescribe.com/ https://us.livescribe.com/
- aetherspawn 1y agoThis looks really good, has anyone used it? I like the analog ability to toss paper all over my desk without worrying about damaging whatever I balance it on. And I do like physical paper because you can split a stack and make “more screens”
- mikestew 1y agoNote that LiveScribe uses special paper with a patterned watermark. That differs from “any paper”, as requested. That said, special paper isn’t a huge ask, and it increases accuracy immensely. I worked for a company that used this tech years ago, and it was impressive not only for text, but marking up maps, collecting data from forms, etc.
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- bee_rider 1y agoI’d like a device that sticks to my pencil. I like my pencil (that’s why I don’t want an eink tablet that “feels like paper”). I guess this is getting a bit niche. But it seems like these companies are already trying to play in a niche market segment… Maybe I just need a camera to scan my notes or something, haha.
- datameta 1y agoThis might be a simple take but - smaller and more expensive?
- transcriptase 1y agoHard to say. I’m not sure who the target segment is for “dozens of superficially descriptive blocks of text that say absolutely nothing paired with dramatic photos of adults with trust funds”, but apparently I’m not in it.
- datameta 1y agoI wonder what portion of power users will take the color dosplay to its fullest. I'd still settle for trying out one of the older B&W models.
- jarrettcoggin 1y agoIt's supposed to be compared to the Remarkable Paper Pro, which is priced at $629. This is priced at $449.
- datameta 1y agoAh then I'm mistaken in my logic. However they're gaming the system while citing color e-ink R&D and/or patent procurement as the cost driver.
- ezfe 1y agoLoved my remarkable pro, but it was too expensive.
- apparent 1y agoCan anyone weigh in on the Gallery versus Kaleido screen tradeoffs? I understand Gallery has better color but slower refresh but don't know how big a deal this is for various use cases.
- dlcarrier 1y agoI have a Bigme Galy, that uses a Gallery 3 display, as well as a Kobo Libra Colour, which uses a Kaleido 3 display. I regret buying the Kobo Libra Colour, solely because of the display. You pretty much need the backlight on any time it isn't in direct sunlight, and even then the contrast is worse than a first-generation monochrome E Ink display, and the saturation is pretty low. Monochrome text is also a bit fuzzy. The Bigme Galy display works in the same lighting as monochrome displays, with nearly as good of contrast. Saturation with primary colors (cyan, magenta, and yellow) is excellent, and with secondary colors it's not as good but still better than the Kaleido display. Magenta is the most vibrant, so green struggles the most. The Gallery display does take several times longer to refresh in full color mode, but it has a monochrome mode that refreshes at a similar rate to monochrome eink displays on ebook readers, so you get dynamically chose between color or speed. Both ereaders have laughably bad software, so that didn't have a net affect on my preferences.
- emadabdulrahim 1y agoCan't see myself paying more than $200 for this device.
- MengerSponge 1y agoIt looks like they hired somebody from Redmond to name their products.
- pimlottc 1y agoI know what Remarkable is, but without clicking the link, I have no idea what this new product is.
- keyle 1y agoCan't wait for the Paper Nano! /s I really just want to turn my Remarkable 2 as an extended monitor with note taking... I'm on an article, send it there in one click or so and done. I haven't used it in a while so that might be something that exists now and I'd be oblivious to it...
- fragmede 1y agoThere's a Remarkable Chrome extension to send things over to it, as well as apps for iphone and Android, dunno if you've seen that.
- splitbrain 1y agoI am using the original RM1 nearly daily for the last 8 years or so as my primary note taking device. I bought it used because it was ridiculously expensive new. I was grandfathered in when they introduced the subscription. I really love the device, but I would never buy it with connectivity locked behind a subscription.
- noduerme 1y agoI've loved my Boox Nova C color for a few years... but the ability to run Android apps including paint and drawing apps is the real showstopper. I'd love to try this tech for the paper feel but I really like the Boox interface, including their homegrown reader and notes apps. I've been really pleasantly surprised at how their software just keeps getting better and addressing minor UI issues with each (optional) update, without ever getting bloated or annoying. If anything, they've just gotten better at making their own UI more transparent and seamless. Totally apart from the great experience I've had with their hardware, I think their software is just extremely well thought out compared to almost anything else out there.
- seam_carver 1y agoKindle Comic Converter recently added fullscreen manga support for all ReMarkable models using a new PDF output option, the previous EPUB output option added large margins. This feature is only available in the beta version built from current master, not in the current 9.0.0 release.
- eichin 1y agoHmm, I kind of want a Boox Palma with a stylus, and this is almost that, but not quite...
- wiradikusuma 1y agoSo it's like reMarkable 2 but: * Phone-sized instead of tablet-sized * Has color * Has reading light * Sensors detect when a folio is open or closed Everything else is the same. Am I missing anything?
- hboon 1y agoI think it's more like it's like reMarkable Paper Pro but smaller. The difference being the reMarkable Paper Pro not only has color + reading light on top of reMarkable 2, the writing experience as well as the stylus are different from the reMarkable 2.
- belZaah 1y agoRM2 was a game changer for me: I could take notes both physically and on a computer and have them seamlessly in one place. Until after a firmware update the device became slow to respond and writing quality declined as the pen did not write continuously or wrote without the tip touching. I’m still, reluctantly, using it, but the thing is only valuable, if it’s as immediate and reliable as paper. Yet another company, that can’t leave their product the hell alone. I did not need that firmware update. My device was perfect, thank you very much
- benjiweber 1y agoThe pen writing without touching is usually a misalignment and fixed by removing and re-inserting (or replacing) the tip ime.
- freilanzer 1y agoMy pen is misaligned with the point on the paper by about 1-2 mm often, and no amount of swiping the side of the pen, etc. could fix it so far.
- tauoverpi 1y agoI bought a pinenote after the charing port on the rm2 stopped working. With the rm2 it would refuse to wake sometimes if it's not charged to 100% slowly, the pen ghosting issue continued to get worse the longer it was in use even with a replaced tip, the web interface wasn't the most practical to add new books with (via SSH it's also a bit annoying as forced to reverse engineer their JSON format), deleting files via the interface at one point didn't delete them on disk so had to remove them via SSH, and so on. I never had a subscription and locking features which could be run locally on the device behind a service is rather annoying. And yes, those issues were worse after the a firmware update.
- e40 1y agoI have been on the fence, and this pushed me off it. Thanks.
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- cyberax 1y agoI'm using my RM2 as an e-Reader, after installing Toltec and KoReader. And it turned out to be the best e-Reader I've ever used, the sharpness of the text and the form-factor are perfect for long books. But their note-taking software is just crap. They have very weak language support, no Chinese, no Russian, or any other languages with non-Latin scripts. They don't even have software keyboards for them!
- tasty_freeze 1y agoMy wife got the RM1 then the RM2, as she is very organized and takes lots of notes. She absolutely loved it except for one thing -- the swipe motion to flip forward and backwards was terrible for her. She would try 10 times to get it to finally recognize what she was asking for. So if she wanted to flip forward a few pages to find something, it could take 30-50 swipes. It is sitting in a drawer now. If anyone else had this experienced and figured out how to make it work, let me know.
- gyomu 1y agoSo sad when something that could be fixed with a few lines of code/a pref toggle if the software were open entirely kills an otherwise great product experience for someone.
- eviks 1y agoIndeed, the poor design of poor extensibility strikes again...
- lastdong 1y agoI don’t experience the same level of recognition issues, but I do find flipping through pages quite tiresome. After reading other comments here, it seems clear that the navigation of the e-reader needs significant improvement. I submitted some feedback about this in one of their previous feedback surveys. Perhaps this Hacker News discussion will lead to some user experience improvements.
- nvarsj 1y agoThey should, since these comments killed all desire I had to own one!
- fladrif 1y agoI'm not sure if you've used their scroll feature, but if you swipe up from the bottom with a single finger you bring up a scroll bar over all pages with a small preview for the current selected page. It works pretty well for <50 pages
- 7bit 1y agoLooks like a great product. Always wanted one -- if they would cost a third of what they do. At this price point absolutely not! In general, these kind of products are too expensive, regardless of what make and model.
- Galanwe 1y agoI loved my RM1, by far the best e-ink reader/note taker I have had. I had to switch to a Boox though, as I grew bored of having to maintain a Windows VM with a downgraded Calibre to convert my Amazon purchases to ebooks for reading on the Remarkable. I now have my Boox with the Amazon Kindle app and can natively read my books, and the writing feeling is almost as good as on the Remarkable.
- cyberpunk 1y agoWhy do you need a windows vm for calibre? It’s java, it works on windows linux and mac (and likely bsd too)?
- dcminter 1y agoPython, not Java.
- Galanwe 1y agoFrom what I remember, it was because I needed an old version of the Amazon Kindle app, to download a less secured version of Kindle books, to then convert them to epub with an old deDRM plug-in. Essentially the whole process is not doable nowadays with stronger DRMs.
- BlueTemplar 1y agoWait, but why would you still use Amazon ?
- Galanwe 1y agoTo buy books ? I don't know of any other book provider with an extensive catalog. Also Amazon often have authors into a exclusive agreement, so it's not like it will change anytime soon.
- BlueTemplar 1y agoPiracy + supporting authors (that aren't Amazon-exclusive) in other ways seems to be more ethical ?
- JeremyHerrman 1y agoPen-based handhelds designed around writing seem to gravitate to larger form factors than phones. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the similarity in size to the Apple Newton MessagePad from the 90s: Original MessagePad: 184 x 114 mm (7.25 x 4.5 in) reMarkable Paper Pro Move: 195.6 x 107.8 mm (7.7 x 4.24 in) No comparison in thickness though, with the Newton being about 3x the thickness of the reMarkable (19 mm vs 6.5 mm).
- lvncelot 1y agoI have a Remarkable 2 that I used to use religiously, now use sporadically, but cannot recommend because of the user-hostile changes to the subscription and the very restrictive underlying software. One of the promises that lead me to buy one was the hackability - "It's Linux!" "You can SSH into it!", which, on paper (heh) is still true, but in practice very much isn't. I think something like a Boox, which runs Android, might be more open to customization, but for now I am back to pencil and paper. That doesn't run Linux, but it also won't change its terms of service anytime soon.
- KeplerBoy 1y agoThe boox indeed is nice. These days I do quite a bit of field work outdoors (taking measurements, ssh'ing into mobile equipment) and a laptop is a chore to use in broad daylight. With the boox I can connect a bluetooth keyboard and install termux. It's not a perfect setup, but sure beats squinting at a dim screen.
- lvncelot 1y agoHa, I actually thought about getting a Boox when I started spending some time in my garden to work this summer cause of that exact same reason. Good to hear that it's actually feasible.
- hypercube33 1y agoBoth of you caught my curiosity so I went reading about these. On paper they seem perfect but it sounds like there are build quality issues and their warranty leaves a lot to be desired (reports of devices failing after months and warranty says it's $275 to fix, user fault) so I am steering clear.
- tpoacher 1y agoOut of curiosity, what were the user hostile changes you mention?
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- burgerone 1y agoWhat I don't understand is why I should pick a 480€ piece of paper over an actual piece of paper. For that price I could get a decent tablet or just type things into a note taking app.
- PokerFacowaty 1y agoThe idea always has been that it's writing on paper with all the convenience of a tablet like syncing your notes. A notebook will feel like paper, but won't sync, an iPad will not feel even close to paper. I was considering reMarkable when upgrading my ebook reader with note taking capabilities, but it's mostly a notepad with an option for ebooks (and not the other way around) and the subscription model on top of $500 hardware was ridiculous.
- gabeyaw 1y agoI've had the rm2 for a few years now. I recently installed toltec and koreader and I can now sync it with zotero with the zotero plugin. Reading 2 column pdfs in koreader is a much better experience and I also like the dictionary search when holding down a word. I just use the regular RM software as a disposable notepad now. I had to downgrade the RM software to get toltec, but I don't feel like I'm missing much from the latest update.
- michaelmior 1y agoThat Zotero sync seems nice! I wrote a daemon that does a (one-way) sync from a Zotero folder to my reMarkable that works pretty well, but it's rather hacky.
- atoav 1y agoActual paper is pretty good, very cheap, has very good haptic feedback and readability, needs no subscription, doesn't restric you to certain pen manufacturers, you can still read the contents when the paper-mill ceases to exiet and has a very well proven track record when it comes to archival, accessability etc. So if devices like these try to beat paper, even if the hardware is perfect, it comes down to software and how open it is. As a serious note-taker one would think this was the perfect device for me, but I checked out the software side of things and it did not convince me. Paper is still superior.
- drakonka 1y agoI have a RMPP and like it for reading and briefly annotating papers, journaling, drafting fiction. But I am so disappointed that they do not have split screen functionality. One of the core use cases for the device is reading a document and taking notes on it. Not being able to have a PDF open on one side of the screen and a notebook on the other is a huge miss.
- packetlost 1y agoiirc you can insert pages into a PDF or annotate directly on the page.
- drakonka 1y agoI do, but that's not what I'm looking for. If you annotate a PDF directly you then have to detangle your notes from the PDF on export. It is very different from having a document open that you can scroll/flip through and taking notes in their own space at the same time.
- conartist6 1y agoI bought an RM1 and was ultimately highly disappointed in the software, and, for all its supposed openness, the lack of any open software development. They sold me a tablet they touted as having hundreds of pressure levels and most of the simulated writing implements only recognize about 4. My biggest complaint is that I hoped to be able to use it to make sketches and diagrams I could use on websites or art projects, or do live drawings like it was a digital version of an overhead projector. It works like garbage for both use cases because the software ecosystem has no support at all for anything but the ultra-low-quality stroking algorithms that are used on-device. Put those pen strokes that looked so beautiful on e-ink up on a 4k monitor and they just look like the cheapest of cheap garbage because there's no pressure interpolation at all...!!!
- sammorrowdrums 1y agoI took the plunge, I loved my RM2 but about a year ago I fell down stairs and landed on it. I’ve ordered refurbed Paper Pro and Move. Things that excited me about the device: - with significant AI use I feel I need this more than ever. Drafting, thinking, note taking, annotating etc. - it looks wonderful for todos, shopping lists etc. - width designed to work with Paper Pro (and the landscape mode experience seems solid from reviews), so I will try the dual device setup - I didn’t always have RM2 with me, and I’m hoping this will now change to genuinely always. - I learned to love the constraints and for example I’ve discovered a love of Brandon Sanderson, Liu Cixin, Cory Doctorow, and countless other authors precisely because I went all in on DRM free ebooks, I want to expand that to graphic novels also hence the paper pro. - I do get random inspiration and obsidian has been my powerhouse for oh the go notes but I’m hoping scrybble.ink will now let me bring remarkable documents into obsidian. - very un-invasive to take notes in conversations etc. Sure it’s a complete indulgence, but it helps me to enjoy note taking, being my library with me etc. and I find constraints foster my creativity and exploration and I lean into them.
- eviks 1y ago> PDF, PNG, SVG (exporting) Are there no tablets that support proper digital formats that would support the basics of paragraph selection and text reflow? (assuming you convert all your handwriting into digital text)
- 11mariom 1y agoIs there any alternative with ~A5 size? I take a lot of notes, schematics, etc in paper notes a5 and I was thinking about moving to digital world, but definietely not for the price of any remarkable device… Got kindle for reading - and I just love it, got back at reading everyday, and that was problematic with standard, paper books.
- thsvrrck 1y agoDoes anybody know if they're working on improved epub support? Would make it a much more compelling buy if it wouldn't just convert epubs to pdfs. If this could be a replacement for my kindle + notepad, that would make it a great device.
- KaiserPro 1y agoI was tempted by a remarkable, my colleagues love theirs (as does my dad). However my need is personal rather than professional usage, so I didn't get one in the end. What I have found that is (to me) better is an ipad mini "pencil", with goodnotes. The pen is ok, not as good as a wacom, but it'll do. Goodnotes does have a subscription, but it also works on mac as well, so it allows me to get access to it when my ipad is else where. It exports to PDF well. I only really use it to make notes/designs. The handwriting transcription isn't going to work well for my handwriting, but it does a reasonable job, given how hard my scrawls are to read. For that it works well, is about the same price as a remarkable, and does other things apart from note taking. But, that is also its downside. You can do other things, which means distractions. Obviously you can make your notes richer by copy/pasta from the internets, but also you can be distracted by the internets too.
- iammjm 1y agoI used to have terrible handwriting to the point of not being able to read it myself, but it got better. It is a matter of practice and being more intentional with it, taking that little extra effort to make the letters readable. If something is worth writing down, it's probably worth the extra effort
- iammjm 1y agoWhat I use is boox note air, in fact I am writing this on it while browsing hn on it right now. I have edge and OneNote installed on it so all my notes and tabs are synced to my other devices (iPhone, MacBook, Windows PC). It really is amazing for hand writing and reading ebooks, PDF, websites. My setup is super usable, but: it is a Chinese device running American proprietary software...
- xstr305 1y agoMore tangential, but is anyone using screenless (or any) graphical tablets for taking notes/work? I try to have digital notes for things I know I will rewrite, extend or might want to search, and paper more for drafts and ephemeral todos. Thought that it could be nice to have modifiable and potentially searchable written notes. When on the go, I'm not likely to write anything important, so paper + phone for accessing other notes is fine. And when stationary, having a graphical tablet seems like a good deal.
- farawayea 1y agoThis device has planned obsolescence written all over it. The pen includes a built-in rechargeable battery. The device's battery is also not user replaceable. These are the same issues that the Remarkable Paper Pro has. They use the Linux kernel and some GPL software. They've made a change with Remarkable Paper Pro to only allow SSH access once the user has put the device in "developer mode". The device is marked as compromised until it is restored to factory or something else is done to it. It's not clear to me how the device is restored to factory or restored at all. They provide tarball dumps via https://github.com/reMarkable/linux-imx-rm https://github.com/reMarkable/linux-imx-rm instead of a proper git repository for the kernel. Why is it so hard to find people able to push a git repository to Github? These dumps are also rather useless if they still lack the source code for the frame buffer and the display. https://github.com/reMarkable/linux https://github.com/reMarkable/linux is the Linux kernel for the older remarkable 2 and the remarkable 1. The kernel code from the Github repository for my remarkable 2 wasn't the one they shipped in the latest version running on my device a few months ago. There was a newer minor patch version running on my device. The devices are very tied to the cloud account and their application. You must have an account and you must use their application if you want to use this device fully, even offline. The network over USB feature makes it possible to back up/download/restore documents. EPUB document handling is abysmal without their application installed on the PC. They really want their customers to use their software, to have an account and to use their cloud services. It's a non-starter if you really don't want to be locked in. EPUB documents still have issues on my Remarkable 2 due to the bugs their USB based document transfer tool has. Many documents simply fail to transfer without any feedback. They probably only update the account-based software they force people to use to get as much money from subscriptions as possible. Hardware repairs for these devices are also not looking good. You're most like out of luck if the warranty has expired for your device. They couldn't care less. They’ll gladly sell you yet another device which has to be recycled when the battery isn’t able to hold a charge for more than a few minutes. I wouldn't recommend any product from this company. This company's good old days are over. They've taken money from investors. They want to charge their customers as much as possible. The en*****ification is almost complete.
- carlosjobim 1y agoThe solution to your extreme anguish and relentless suffering in this mortal world: Don't purchase this particular product.
- Zambyte 1y agoI really love that there seems to be a general renewed interest in e-paper devices. I personally have made the Daylight Computer my primary mobile computing device (even over a smartphone, which I really only use if I need GPS, which I only really need if I'm driving, and I sold my car :-D) and it has been lovely. I use my DC-1 all the time, but I have so much more impulse control over my usage. The lack of color and the lack of notifications means it is very much not overstimulating, and I only use it if I make a conscious decision to. Quick edit: it might be worth mentioning that I wrote this on my DC-1.
- pixelmonkey 1y agoWhat are your primary use cases of the Daylight DC-1? I am curious as a reluctant iPad Pro M4 user who thought he'd use it for reading and annotating PDFs but finds himself sucked into streaming apps and YouTube instead a bit too often.
- Zambyte 1y agoI would say coming from my cell phone at least, I would describe my usage as far more intentional than it was on my phone. I used to wake up and immediately start scrolling on <application of choice at the time, recently bluesky>. Since I've relegated my phone to the sock drawer, I actually find myself waking up and getting out of bed, starting my day, and then going on my tablet. Honestly, a large percentage of my time on my tablet is using bluesky and youtube, but as I said, it feels much more intentional than on my phone. I don't get sucked into rabbit holes. I check on my friends, check out my subscriptions, and then move on (to be fair on the youtube side, I also use newpipe to block all recommendations, comments, etc so it's much easier for me to avoid the rabbit holes because of that too). Another very large portion of my usage is in handwriting notes, and medium to long form reading. I don't find myself annotating PDFs, but that is not really a workflow I have sought after. If you are really worried about using youtube and other vices, the DC-1 may not be for you. Other e-paper devices (particularly E-Ink TM devices) are going to struggle a lot more with youtube than the DC-1 does. Youtube in here is not as overstimulating and addictive, but it is still very much available and usable.
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- duttish 1y agoIf people are looking for an alternative I have a ~3-4 year old Supernote a5 that's still going strong and still get updates once in a while. No subscription, cloud sync is included, mounts via usb if you want to, no faffery.
- fluorescentbulb 1y agoThe hang up for me is the second hand market for the supernote is rough, even the old a4 and a5. People really do seem to love them. Are you willing to part with yours haha
- duttish 1y agoSorry, no :) I'm happy with it. There used to be people selling theirs on the supernote reddit, did that stop? I haven't been active for a few years.
- fluorescentbulb 1y agoIt is still a thing haha, but the asking price is always pretty steep, even for the older series. I hope you enjoy yours for years to come!
- twalichiewicz 1y agoThey’ve poured effort into replicating the feel of a notebook: restricted toolset, textured screen, stylus handwriting, etc., but I'm at a loss why this is worth hundreds of dollars plus a subscription instead of just using paper notebooks. - Paper-like feel? Actual paper still wins. - Undo, folders, search, tags? Flipping through a notebook and adding sticky notes gets you there faster. - Templates? A $10 pad of graph or dotted paper gives infinite variety. Handwriting-to-text and cloud sync is perhaps the strongest case, but even there it's probably faster to draft on paper and digitize with keyboard or speech.
- nsavage 1y agoI bought a Remarkable and ended up returning it. It was a cool device, but you're exactly right, I had a hard time justifying the cost over a $10 notebook.
- prmoustache 1y agoDoes-it have a lockscreen and is it reasonnably good in term of security? That would be the only incentive for someone who want to keep handwritten notes without having to lock the notebook in a safe every time it is left unattended. I am not thinking security against state actor, rather people within same household/office who might have too much curiosity.
- reticulated 1y agoYes. Assuming the Move is the same as the Pro, it's PIN-protected with hardware encryption at rest.
- reticulated 1y agoI was sceptical at first too then gave their 100-day test a try with the bigger Pro and have the Move on order. I see the benefits over paper as: - Search. Still in beta, but you can now search handwritten notes. Seems to work well even with my scrawl. - Integrations. Just "send to Slack" for now but rumours from YouTuber Kit Betts that more are coming. - Working at night. The backlight, whilst lacking in temperature control, is handy at night or when ambient lighting is poor. - Backups. Annoying it's a paid subscription, but I consider it more like insurance against data loss at $3 per month.
- jlengrand 1y agoWas so excited about Remarkable, and got disappointed with basically everything I was excited about. Not for me. I do look like the look and feel of the thing though, shame i know it won't fit what I need. https://lengrand.fr/impressions-on-the-remarkable-2-one-month-in/ https://lengrand.fr/impressions-on-the-remarkable-2-one-mont...
- mitjam 1y agoI use a Kindle Scribe for reading eBooks and occasional note taking. Personally, I like the bigger form factor better, both for reading and writing, could even be a bit bigger for reading PDFs. After a short period of writing on ePaper, I'm now back to real paper. It's just a much better writing experience, lighter in the pocket, cheaper, more flexible (rearrange, give away, lay out on a table), more practical (write while you read, use big sheets when you need it), etc., etc. A folded sheet and a small pen is all it takes. ePaper for writing might have a use case in professional workflows, but for personal use, it's a nice idea in theory, but not in practice, in my opinion.
- wink 1y agoIgnoring my browser's language setting, defaulting to my IP's origin and then the language switcher widget is at the bottom of the page, and it doesn't work.
- meifun 1y agoI had am RM2 for years before upgrading to the Paper Pro. I love the Paper Pro. It provides me with an environment of deep thinking. It feels too big to carry all day long and I always felt even with the Type Folio I didn't want to damage the screen. I just ordered a Paper Pro Move to carry with me. The one feature I miss is the ability to split the screen and have two items open at the same time. Like a PDF journal in one and taking notes on it in the other.
- Ancapistani 1y ago> The one feature I miss is the ability to split the screen and have two items open at the same time. Like a PDF journal in one and taking notes on it in the other. Can you do that on the RPP? I've not really kept up with features other than to check for AI integrations (which they still don't have to my knowledge)
- meifun 1y agoYou can't do that yet. I have been asking for the feature for years and it has yet to be implemented.
- Ancapistani 1y agoI've been a reMarkable customer for quite a while now. I started with the reMarkable 2, then upgraded to the reMarkable Paper Pro. While I was using it consistently, it was a great device that allowed me to keep track of my notes in way I'd never been able to before. They have some great features. Chief among them IMO is the ability to stream the tablet's screen to a desktop app, which you can then in turn share into a Zoom call and the like. The issue for me is that as I began to spend more and more time in VR/AR - first with the Meta Quest 2/3 and Pimax Crystal, and then with the Apple Vision Pro - I simply stopped taking written notes while working. Now I mostly use it as a very fancy (and expensive!) eReader. Couple that with the fact that most of what I was writing down as notes is now context that I shove in prompts and/or agent context files... I simply don't use it enough to justify keeping it. They've fallen behind IMO with the rise of AI. This device would be amazing if they would automatically transcribe documents on the backend, feed them into a RAG, and allow access via a chatbot. They don't, though, and their API is undocumented and difficult to use. That kills it for me. I should probably list it on eBay or Facebook Marketplace at this point, and put those funds toward something that gets more use.
- antinomicus 1y agoI’m pretty shocked to hear that someone like you exists already. Lots of questions. First, now that you spend so much time in VR, why does that kill your need to take notes? Are you somehow taking notes in VR? Do you find that these notes are as effective and personal as real writing? Do you put everything you write into an LLM now and trust that it’ll be searchable forever and the AI won’t lose its context?
- Ancapistani 1y ago> I’m pretty shocked to hear that someone like you exists already. Which part? The VR part, or the AI stuff? For VR, the tech honestly isn't there yet. I fell down that rabbit hole when I started playing combat flight sims regularly, and then managed to get my employer to buy me an AVP. I never really had "VR sickness", but what little discomfort I did have faded within a couple of week. I probably spend ~40-60h / week on average in VR now, but honestly don't keep close track of it. > First, now that you spend so much time in VR, why does that kill your need to take notes? Not at all, it's just effectively impossible to do so by writing while wearing a VR headset. The AVP comes closest to allowing it, but the passthrough resolution isn't quite good enough to make it work well. > Are you somehow taking notes in VR? Yep. For most things I use Markdown in Neovim. I have an mkdocs site configured to run locally whenever I have a terminal open, and push changes to a remote git repo regularly. I've considered moving to Obsidian, but am still not sold on the proprietary stuff. Increasingly, I've been using STT and AI tools to speak my thoughts and record them that way. I've not settled on a "final" tech stack for that, but Limitless (and their Pendant) has been working well enough so far. > Do you find that these notes are as effective and personal as real writing? No. Despite the VR and AI stuff, I'm an analog person at heart. I'm in my early 40s. I wear a fully analog watch (I don't find smartwatches worth it). I collect and restore fountain pens, and have one with me pretty much at all times. Handwriting it by far the most effective way to keep notes. I believe that's because it's slow enough that you have to synthesize your thoughts at the same time you're writing, which in turn leads to better initial understanding and likely commitment to long-term memory. > Do you put everything you write into an LLM now and trust that it’ll be searchable forever and the AI won’t lose its context? Sort of. I don't put everything in there, of course. Limitless is for non-work stuff, as I work in healthtech and don't want our IP stored there without a BAA in place. It works well enough for personal stuff, though. For work, I have a transcript file that I keep for each day that I use my STT stuff that contains the raw text that I said. That's accurate enough that I trust it. From those files, I have AI create a summary of topics. Those are then fed into a simple RAG that can reference the summaries and the original files as needed. I figure this approach means that I can always create new summaries or move to another workflow in the future if I want. For now, it's been at least as effective in terms of lookup as manually typing notes. Transcription errors are very rare and easy enough to figure out if I ever need to correct them. They're far more comprehensive, though. I can dump an entire meeting into a transcript, then go back and figure out exactly what was said and by whom. Feeding Zoom's transcripts into the RAG has saved my ass a couple of times. I've privately asked a chatbot what I'd said about a given topic in the past while on a call, then used that context to make sure I'm using the same arguments in support of a position that I did six months ago - or found that position has changed and called that out to the others on the call.
- nunez 1y agoInitially, I was very ready to buy this. A small notepad that I can carry easily in meetings? Sounds great! But then I did exactly what they're probably scared of and thought about that impulse some more. Most people bring either full-on laptops or huge padded notebooks with them into meetings. Me bringing my full-sized reMarkable was never an issue, and writing on it has been glorious. Bringing a smaller device wouldn't net the benefit I initially thought it would. What I would LOVE to do with a Paper Pro is replace my BOOX Page 7 with it. I use my Page to read books and stuff on Reddit and posts on Hacker News. It works perfectly for this. However, Onyx has a very shady history with Android. They refuse to contribute to Android upstream, their ABIs are closed-source and, IIRC, their devices are stuck on older Android versions due to GMS certification issues. I trust reMarkable much more than I trust Onyx. Nonetheless, they are dead-set on making their devices purely for note taking, so I have no reason to buy this, as cool as it looks.
- exabrial 1y agoRemarkable needs to give the user the option to turn off the "infinite paper". That was the stupidist change ever made. I only ever activate it on accident. Paper has edges. Remarkable is marketed as digital paper. Give me some fricken edge FFS.
- dbingham 1y agoI feel like the real opportunity for e-ink displays is white boards. I would love a 4 ft x 3 ft e-ink display that I could mount on the wall with calendar and note widgets and that I could also draw on like a white board. Plus, remote teams would really benefit from a shared whiteboard device. A device with infinite scroll in both directions and shared editing. I mean, really adding infinite scroll and collaborative editing to existing remarkable devices would cover that use case.
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