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Windows Recall sounds like a privacy nightmare
- DerCommodore 2y ago[flagged]
- ImAnAmateur 2y agoThis could make for a good action scene in a movie. A hacker has to get access to data secretly, so they constantly minimize what they're doing every 10 seconds to avoid the AI monitor. In the end, just as they breathe a sigh of relief and stretch their arms, a popup gives them away. Then the scene cuts to a security guard getting an email. Then the scene cuts back to the hackers booking it.
- hprotagonist 2y agoin Cryptonomicon, Randy evades constant remote monitoring of his laptop screen by doing this, but even more so.
- giantrobot 2y agoAn apropos username for an informative comment about a Stephenson book. You're playing the long game.
- hprotagonist 2y agohave been for years.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago> On the surface, this sounds like a cool feature It really doesn't. Not a single person I've spoken to likes the idea of this, at all, and I'm not talking just tech people. Every last person I've spoken to of all ages and from all walks of life at best is like, "I can turn that off, right?"
- bitwize 2y agoMy wife's jaw literally dropped when she first heard from me about the kind of fuckery-duckery Microsoft is trying to pull here. She's been an Apple girl since forever, no fan of Microsoft, and not particularly tech-savvy, but she knew exactly the implications of Recall and immediately figured out that it was a whole new level of awful, even for Microsoft.
- DEADMINCE 2y agoKind of hypocritical of her then isn't it, given Apple has a horrible history of collecting data also?
- CSDude 2y agoI have been using Rewind.ai on macOS and this company got a crazy investment. Many people like the idea. Many just don't trust Microsoft.
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoI don't trust Microsoft or anyone else with unfettered access to my screen. 1-800-FUK-THAT
- bitwize 2y agoI'm gonna go ahead and invoke the Juicero Rebuttal -- the standard rebuttal to the idea that large VC investments into an idea mean it's a good idea.
- max51 2y agounless this startup manages to get OS vendors to bundle it with their OS install and turn it on by default, it's not a good comparison.
- visarga 2y agoI for one built something like this on Linux. It takes a screenshot every few seconds, when there is recent mouse or keyboard activity. Then applies OCR on the screen shots and indexes them. It was fun, but I don't want the overhead of maintaining it long term.
- ryanisnan 2y agoLet the enshittification of AI products begin (if it hasn't already).
- fredgrott 2y agoMS, Apple's best ad firm ever!
- sylens 2y ago> Microsoft states that "Recall snapshots are kept on Copilot+ PCs themselves, on the local hard disk, and are protected using data encryption on your device and (if you have Windows 11 Pro or an enterprise Windows 11 SKU) BitLocker." From the wording here, that looks like your snapshots will only be encrypted if you have Windows Pro or a business Windows code. I don't think that's what their main page is saying, but it is ambiguous enough to be confusing. For reference, the quote being referenced is "How is your data protected when you use Recall?" on this page: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs?r=1#faq2 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs?r=1... The parenthetical after the "and" is throwing people off. My interpretation of the sentence is that recall snapshots are protected using data encryption on your device, no matter the version of Windows 11. However, if you have Windows 11 Pro or the enterprise SKU, you gain the additional level of protection of using Bitlocker - which could mean that the key to encrypt those snapshots lives in the TPM (or not). It's just too ambiguous and needs clarification. The support page for Recall (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy-and-control-over-your-recall-experience-d404f672-7647-41e5-886c-a3c59680af15 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy-and-cont...) provides some clarification in this area that drives the point home: > Snapshots are encrypted by Device Encryption or BitLocker, which are enabled by default on Windows 11. Recall doesn't share snapshots with other users that are signed into Windows on the same device. Microsoft can't access or view the snapshots.
- ImAnAmateur 2y agoThe data is still being recorded and saved. For example, it could make my security weaker by recording a password briefly displayed on screen. Now there's a second copy stored elsewhere on my computer than the password manager. Also, that only mentions the snapshots (the images) themselves. It feels like its leaving them an out for data pulled from the pictures or summaries of locally processed data.
- sylens 2y agoI do not disagree with your sentiment - I am just pointing out that a lot of articles are misrepresenting some important aspects of the discussion
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- GeekyBear 2y agoThe already existing push to force everyone to log onto their local computer with an online Microsoft account (instead of a traditional local account), along side telemetry users cannot completely turn off already showed the company moving in a privacy hostile direction. This move seems a lot like using machine local AI to feed additional user interest data into everyone's online profiles for Microsoft's growing ad business. I'm also willing to bet that enterprise would value an additional way to track employees.
- api 2y agoThe beatings will continue until privacy concerns actually influence a large proportion of customers’ buying decisions. The problem is that there are endless huge incentives to invade privacy: ads, selling data, product telemetry, even the push for internal metrics. Nothing counterbalances this. Most customers just don’t care.
- jasonfarnon 2y agoI think it could also end up addressed by legislation. If not direct legislation as in the EU, then just opening some avenues to litigation.
- xattt 2y ago> I'm also willing to bet that enterprise would value an additional way to track employees. This is it, but also to put the framework in place to train models to do employee grunt work.
- bboygravity 2y agoI don't know how far US companies (and their NSA) have to go to make EU companies go "wait, they're doing industrial espionage on us". Just the fact that companies outside the US use Outlook and OneDrive for everything is mind boggling to me, but this recall thing is industrial spyware to the extreme.
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- walterbell 2y agoRelated threads: "AI PCs are the final nail in the coffin of open computing", 52 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40436975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40436975 "How the new Microsoft Recall feature fundamentally undermines Windows security", 48 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40433884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40433884
- onemoresoop 2y agoit's funny if you think that it started with open ai...
- gscott 2y agoReminds me of this Robin Williams movie https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/
- wilsonnb3 2y agoI don't understand why people have such a big privacy issue with this. It all happens on your device. I understand being concerned about Microsoft using it to target ads or moving it off device in the future But the four scenarios laid out in the article don't seem like a problem. > You're using a public computer > You're using a work computer > You're using a shared family computer without a password protected profile > Your computer gets stolen You shouldn't expect privacy on public or work computers. For all you know, they could already be doing this. Ditto for a PC where you share an account with other people. And if your laptop is stolen and they have your passwords, you're fucked anyways.
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- ImAnAmateur 2y ago"It's already bad, I don't see why making it worse is a problem. It's just one more thing to worry about." There's more at stake here than passwords. These repeated screenshots are essentially a slow, silent video of all computer activity. That has far more information than you may think it does. It compromises HTTPS content, it records data that otherwise would only be in RAM, ...I could go on.
- wilsonnb3 2y agoPlease do go on, I am curious - what exactly is the threat you are seeing here?
- cratermoon 2y agoI don't suppose you know any survivors of domestic abuse. If you do, ask them.
- ImAnAmateur 2y agoOkay. Let's talk specifics. I log in to an end-to-end encrypted chat with a family member. We talk about life and the subject drifts to plane tickets we already bought for next month and how the neighbor across the street isn't going to be home until the end of this month. The thief who stole my laptop now has also stolen a recorded conversation along with my passwords. Now they know when two houses will be empty. This would not have happened without pictures of my screen being taken frequently.
- notaustinpowers 2y agoThe fact that it ensures to not take a snapshot of DRM content but also explains that it doesn't hide PASSWORDS in snapshots is INSANE to me! God forbid it takes a screenshot of Bridgerton but my bank account password, that's fair game!
- hyperman1 2y agoSo you can have some privacy by playing DRMed content in the background?
- notaustinpowers 2y agoI believe it operates on a site-by-site basis since there's settings to tell it to ignore screenshots of certain webpages (at least they're doing that). So one window is blacked out but the other is visible. Just gotta remember to set up all the sites you want blocked which I expect to be made as complicated as possible and a little nag window on the bottom left every time I visit a blocked site, i.e., "Recall isn't able to take a snapshot of this webpage" with a big "FIX NOW" button.
- out-of-ideas 2y agoits the sites that produce some javascript bloatwarae that tells the browser to display a blank page when a screenshot/screencapture software is used. in my opionion that is giving the javascript ecosystem way too much power, though that is life with DRMs ... pretty sad times when folks pay providers and allow the providers to disable a screenshot lol
- heavyset_go 2y agoIt'll just block out the DRMed content and not the rest of the screen.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y agoI'm sure you agreed to give them a non-exclusive, world-wide, royalty-free, un-fuck-with-able license (or some such) to any data saved to your hard drive when you accepted the terms of use for Windows. /s But now I'm curious if there's case law around the question of passwords being copyrighted. That might be a decent avenue of protection but the aforementioned agreement probably supersedes it.
- mise_en_place 2y agoIt's not only a privacy headache but will most likely impact performance as well. Especially on a low powered ARM device, I can imagine the user experience being pretty terrible. Strange that Microsoft is getting into hardware again, you'd think they'd have learned their lesson by now. Every tech company I've worked for that pivoted into hardware went bankrupt shortly after. It's not trivial navigating manufacturing and real engineering processes.
- nightski 2y agoWhat do you mean "getting into hardware again"? They have been making surface laptops for quite some time. This is like the 10th iteration? Maybe more?
- mise_en_place 2y agoIt's more accurate to say, going all in on hardware again. Surface laptops were not the primary focus, just a throwaway product to grab a small percentage of entry level laptop consumers. This is positioned as a direct ARM MacBook competitor.
- refulgentis 2y agoI haven't brought one myself, but know enough about the lineup over the years[1] to know this creates a distinction where there is none. They certainly weren't only entry-level. Been a perfect mirror of Steve Jobs-era Apple of having 2 choices, consumer and professional. I do agree they're excited to announce an ARM laptop, but there's not a commensurate bigger "bet"/investment in hardware. I'd argue there's less investment: Internal Dell documents has Snapdragon at $145, versus $276 for i7.[2] [1] Purchased two as gifts. [2] https://videocardz.com/newz/snapdragon-x-series-chips-cost-only-half-as-much-as-intel-raptor-lakes-with-battery-life-up-to-98-higher https://videocardz.com/newz/snapdragon-x-series-chips-cost-o...
- Chilko 2y ago> just a throwaway product to grab a small percentage of entry level laptop consumers Yeah I don't think this take is accurate, my employer (state-owned, largest utility in my country) issues Surface laptops to many employees so I think there is likely significant enterprise use of these. I do agree that this refresh seems like a renewed effort to compete in the consumer space though.
- drivingmenuts 2y agoImagine the treasure trove of information that law enforcement will have access to, for free! they won't even have to infer your activity from online access wiretaps - it will all be laid out right in front of them. And may whatever deity you believe in help you if you live or work under a repressive regime, because they will have evidence of your nefarious activities immediately to hand (not that they actually need actual evidence, but you know ...)
- EasyMark 2y agoYou can bet this will be turned on by default and hard to find the off button, which will likely reset back to on every major update.
- 999900000999 2y agoWelcome to micromanaging hell. Imagine working remote with this and IT pulls your recall logs. Better yet us "AI" to determine how productive you were yesterday. I was so hyped for these laptops, but this is just stupid.
- cwales95 2y agoThis immediately came to my mind as well. This will be abused. It’s not an “if” but a “when”.
- EasyMark 2y agoIt's already happening but it's 3rd party apps (which are relatively cheap, a couple bucks a seat), so it won't be a huge change.
- GartzenDeHaes 2y agoThere are two sides to this: investigations and monitoring. For HR and security investigations, this rewind capability would be very useful, is legal, and at least partially already performed using forensics tools. Monitoring is where you run into moral and, in some places, legal problems. This would probably be a good topic for new legislation.
- Delk 2y agoI honestly think that in some legislations with stronger worker protections it'd be legally at least dubious to use something like that for HR or security investigations (in a broad sense) without employee consent.
- soulofmischief 2y ago> is legal In any case, an overwhelming amount of Very Bad Things are legal due to corporate laziness, commercial propaganda and anti-education campaigns. "It's legal" cannot be the basis of an argument in favor of legally protecting predatory behavior.
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- gigel82 2y agoThis is literally the same feature as Windows 10 Timeline (Activity History); they're even using the same UserActivity API [1]. If it works like that, it's an unencrypted sqlite database in your %APPDATA% and a subfolder with jpeg screenshots. The only AI-ness on top that I see is some OCR and some image captioning. That begs the question: why resurrect the Activity History feature (that was deprecated just 3 months ago[2]) and add almost nothing on top? The "glass half empty" folks among us would probably say to get ready for what comes next (new "functionality" they can light up with the data). [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ai/apis/recall#user-activities https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ai/apis/recall#use... [2] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/-windows-activity-history-and-your-privacy-2b279964-44ec-8c2f-e0c2-6779b07d2cbd#ID0EBBD=Windows_10 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/-windows-activit...
- moduspol 2y agoWell I mean it's also presumably likely that Microsoft is under pressure from investors / marketers to shove AI into everything just as much as the rest of us are.
- 19h 2y agoI love how Windows Recall is essentially just a clone of Rewind that I’ve been successfully using to fight ADHD for a looooong time on macOS. If it’s remotely as useful…
- Spivak 2y agoYeah, folks are so doom and gloom about a product that, if it was made by anyone other than Microsoft who attracts all the blogspam hate, would get articles like "How this startup is using AI to help ADHD sufferers." People really need to stop falling for "<Household Name> Does Thing, Here's Why It's Bad" outrage bait.
- JohnFen 2y agoThat it's Microsoft doing it is a big part of the objection, true. It's not unreasonable. Microsoft doesn't exactly have a great reputation when it comes to data collection and the like for good reasons.
- PhasmaFelis 2y agoThere's nothing hypocritical here. There are lots of things that are harmless/beneficial when you choose to do them which become sinister once they're enabled by default.
- Spivak 2y agoWell yeah, which is why you have to specifically go out and buy a "Copilot" computer that prominently advertises this as the reason you would want it. Does that meet the bar for disabled by default? It seems really implausible that someone would find themselves using one of these PCs and not knowing it.
- jasonfarnon 2y agoVery plausible. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of purchasers have only a dim notion of what RAM beyond more==better is, let alone "Copilot". Especially if it is marketed as a feature, which it is.
- albertzeyer 2y agoTo me, this actually sounds like a nice feature, if you have full control over it, i.e. you are sure all data stays on your device, it's a local AI, etc. And also, you can easily enable/disable it, and you can easily see its current state. E.g. maybe a small red dot in the corner which indicates that it is currently enabled, and clicking on it will switch it off to gray, clicking again enables it again. And of course, Recall should be disabled by default. I actually did exactly this for myself for a while: A script took a screenshot every few seconds and dumped it into a DB. I had a few fun ideas and projects based on this: * https://github.com/albertz/png-db https://github.com/albertz/png-db: Store multiple PNG files more efficiently by sharing common data. This gives a compression rate of about 400-500%. (Maybe Windows Recall could use sth similar?) * https://github.com/albertz/screenshooting https://github.com/albertz/screenshooting: Scripts to analyze the screenshots. E.g. I wanted to collect the amount of time I was having coding in Eclipse. It was a reason to play around with OpenCV. Regarding logging the time, I later developed a simpler solution: Some script which records the focused app window and its opened content URL: https://github.com/albertz/timecapture https://github.com/albertz/timecapture
- EasyMark 2y agoObviously it can be used for specific purposes. However this is a universal, omnipotent snapshot film of everything you do which will be readily available for hackers and hostile government officials, and there likely won't be a way to remove it easily if you hate that sort of thing. Probably have to write a script that monitors the files and deletes them, since MS has a knack for restoring things you delete by hand that they want you to keep for their benefit. Or they'll make it core to the system so you can't delete it without breaking the OS
- gwbas1c 2y agoI came here to post "Am I the only person who thinks this is a good idea?" I guess you do too. I like the idea that I can go back and see what was on my screen at some point in the past. I think with the focus on passkeys, we can worry less about snapshotting passwords. IMO, maybe they need a way for documents (that have passwords) and windows (for password managers) to flag that they should not be snapshotted.
- YaBa 2y agoAs if we needed yet another excuse to migrate to Linux and forget MS once for all...
- thedynamicduo 2y agoSuper invasive IMO. Passwords, personal emails, banking information. Yikes!
- falcrist 2y agoBut not DRM content. The system will recognize and avoid screenshotting that. Banking details? Fine. Passwords? A-OK! Copyrighted content? STOP, YOU FOOLS, BEFORE YOU ANGER THE MOUSE! This whole thing is dystopian, but making it a priority to avoid DRM controlled content is wild to me. The screenshots are ostensibly a cache, which is part of how video is displayed anyway. Is avoiding caching a 6 frame per minute cache really a higher priority than all of the privacy this undermines?
- wvenable 2y agoYou haven't been able to take screenshots of DRM controlled content for as long as DRM controlled content has existed. That's what makes it DRM. This technology isn't doing anything special at all. If you wanted to develop it for Windows, you could, and it would work the same way.
- JonChesterfield 2y agoThis doesn't sound very likely. In order to show pixels on a screen, something has to write those numbers somewhere. Screenshot should be writing those pixels to a file as an image format, not consulting whatever programs are running to ask if there are areas that they don't want to draw.
- kalleboo 2y agoThe pixels are literally encrypted on PCIe on their way over to the GPU, it's quite draconian. Been this way since Vista ("Blu-ray is a bag of hurt" - Steve Jobs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Media_Path https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Media_Path
- dylan604 2y agoTo me, it's a really difficult name to accept upon first read. I was wondering how bad Windows had to be that Microsoft had to issue a recall, and then wonder what a software recall would actually look like. Seems like a trip to a thesaurus might have been useful: Microsoft Evoke, Microsoft Conjure, Microsoft Hearken, Microsoft Summon. At least none of those has an immediate negative potential
- camillomiller 2y agowell they called their x86 to ARM translation layer Prism, just like the covert NSA program they were revealed to be part of by Snowden. I guess they don’t really care about naming…
- iotku 2y agoPerhaps when increasing efforts in implementing spyware directly into your OS it would be good to dilute the namespace as to not find relevant information. Either that or someone's giving a not so subtle hint. I do think the program is probably far out of the consciousness of most people at this point (outside of older technical people), and the younger generation probably wouldn't know or care.
- adamomada 2y agoMicrosoft Recall: We Can Remember It for You Wholesale
- dylan604 2y agoBut is it Microsoft Recall Home Edition or Server Edition or Enterprise Edition?
- razodactyl 2y ago- N - Home Starter - Home - Home Premium - Standard - Business - Professional - Professional Plus - Enterprise
- phendrenad2 2y agoComputers are a privacy nightmare, so is the internet. Glad we all agree. Given that baseline, this is hardly noteworthy. Afraid of Microsoft getting your data? According to Internet lore, Microsoft already scoops up every bit of data on your computer every nanosecond. Afraid of the "gubment" snooping on you? According to that same internet lore, the government is like a vampire and can only enter your PC if you invite them in. But we all know that's not true. If they wanted screenshots of your desktop they would have them.
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- snerc 2y agoIf this goes live, the secondary PC market is an immediate security vulnerability.
- bongodongobob 2y agoIt always has been.
- stagger87 2y ago> "On Copilot+ PCs powered by a Snapdragon® X Series processor, you will see the Recall taskbar icon after you first activate your device. Another Windows ARM push... If Recall is only available on these devices I think it's doomed to failure.
- wilsonnb3 2y agoAMD and Intel powered "Copilot+" PCs are coming in the near future, it is only ARM specific for a little while.
- 7373737373 2y agoIt's time to split Microsoft
- duda10 2y agobetter option: close its trading in financial stock markets and force it a sale to individual owners.
- jasonjmcghee 2y agoThis kind of software has to be open source. I've been taking a crack at it with a few other folks. Encourage others to join and/or build something similar! Mac OS only (Swift): https://github.com/jasonjmcghee/rem https://github.com/jasonjmcghee/rem Cross Platform (Rust): https://github.com/jasonjmcghee/xrem https://github.com/jasonjmcghee/xrem
- concinds 2y agoIt's puzzling to me that third-party apps doing the same thing were shared on HN just months ago and highly upvoted (500 points, for a submission about an app‽), but now Microsoft does it and the frantic media backlash takes over. It's a textbook moral panic. Amplified by media cynicism about tech, and by Windows's awful brand perception.
- loneboat 2y agoI think the main concern over this is that it's baked into the OS. That's a significant difference from "Here's a 3rd party app you can install if you want this functionality." Especially from an OS vendor who (a) dominates the desktop market, and (b) absolutely loves to hide or obfuscate the ability to disable such features (which are often enabled by default).
- concinds 2y agoIt's part of the Setup screen, where it can be enabled or disabled. Apparently the checkbox is checked by default, but I think most users would find it useful and would find the "security concerns" trivial
- klabb3 2y agoThe people who understand what it does and how it works are a minority. People will accept Microsoft’s recommended settings, often without even reading it. Enabling it by default is beyond irresponsible. Especially on desktops that are very commonly shared between household members. And so many other reasons. > I think most users would find it useful For what? Most users won’t even remember that it’s enabled. This already exists as a niche product for specific tasks, it’s by no means a universally useful thing. Especially not at 25GB of disk usage and god knows what CPU/GPU/RAM.
- skydhash 2y agoMost people don't understand how technology can destroy their lives until they are faced with the consequences. It's all in the name of convenience. This is why we have regulations, so that people do not pray on unsuspecting and trustful people.
- sensanaty 2y agoIf we lived in a sane world we would've long since split these psycho-filled gigacorporations like M$ up into a trillion tiny little pieces, but alas we live in a world where gov'ts let them do whatever the fuck they want with no repercussions. What depresses me the most is that many governments and corps are using M$ products. I recently got approached by a recruiter from one of the largest gov't agencies in the Netherlands, and they sent me a Teams link (itself horrible software that is barely functional), requires me to make an MS account to access some docs shared via 365, and as far as I could tell the machine you're given is a Windows machine without the possibility of using linux on it.
- shadowgovt 2y agoSplitting them up would demonstrably slow progress and leave us with less useful computers.
- ffhhj 2y agoYour username, that's the spirit.
- latexr 2y ago> demonstrably Please do share the examples that demonstrate this. > slow progress and leave us with less useful computers Given the way tech companies exploit all of us, I’m not convinced that would’ve been a bad thing. For all we know, that could’ve caused societal progress, which is considerably more important than the “innovation” we get of being able to watch 4 second ads in 10 second videos while sitting on the toilet.
- kaycey2022 2y agoRight you are, shadow government
- shadowgovt 2y agoCheck the profile.
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- mrangle 2y agoMicrosoft's chutzpa lays down the ultimate "Trust Me Bro" years past the peak of trust.
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- 12_throw_away 2y agoOwning a computer these days is just ... a lot of work. Hey, software updates - who and what and is trying to exfiltrate my data today? Microsoft of course, but also maybe an open source freaking terminal emulator? I mean, they're probably trustworthy, right? So don't worry about the telemetry. Or the AI integration. Or the screen recording. Now, check the other 20 programs that wanted to update today. Don't worry, it's all described in their 30 page privacy policies! Is it opt-in? Opt-out? Are they telling the truth? Will they face any consequences when we find out they were lying about it? Of course not!
- mjhay 2y agoI urge executives to stop losing their minds with the FOMO need to insert "AI" into everything.
- chris1993 2y agoThey don't seem to have considered domestic abuse situations where this makes everything visible to the abusive partner.
- cgio 2y agoThis looks more targeted to bossware than actual users. "Recall" as far as I can tell will be relevant when you combine across a dataset in your organisation and identify common patterns, outliers etc. or train the AI to "do what you are doing".
- sheepscreek 2y agoThere is a real need for a tool like this for some people, in particular for those challenged with a short working memory. Perhaps it can be better pitched as an accessibility tool. Not everyone needs it, and it should be turned off by default.
- pyuser583 2y agoWhat is windows actually for?
- peterisza 2y agoIt's more of a performance nightmare IMO. Everything will become even slower, even more laggy, the battery will drain faster, the laptop will get hotter.
- metalspoon 2y agoHell, I might write my own pw manager at this point
- rldjbpin 2y agoi wonder about the reception if apple were the first ones to introduce this concept, and emphasize the "on-device" nature. they have done this for other things in the past and did not get much backlash. to not disregard the obvious oversight made here, m$ can still make some slight changes based on existing stuff to make this more palatable. for one, android has a mechanism to prevent screenshots inside certain apps. (https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/admin/DevicePolicyManager#POLICY_DISABLE_SCREEN_CAPTURE https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/admin/De...) there should be a windows api that allows apps to use that. this, if implemented in browsers for certain websites, alone will take away a lot of nervousness around this. trust issues against m$ is warranted and it is up to them to earn it back. since windows 10, however, the trajectory has been on the other direction. despite this, it does not take a lot to continue their boiling frog attitude with this.
- naveen99 2y agoMicrosoft is fighting a losing battle. When the ai starts using software, how are they going to keep track of what it’s doing ?
- tracker1 2y agoI switched my desktop to Linux full time a couple years ago when I saw start menu ads on an insiders build. Noticing me watching a video on this "feature" actually convinced my SO to switch as well on her laptop and desktop. The two games she plays are supported, as is everything else she uses regularly.
- nickchai 2y agothey say that recall will remain local on the machine which would make sense but I wonder how easy it would be for them to just ship the resulting model up to their servers. If they did this, it would mean that we buy these machines from them, capture and store the training data for them and then train the model for them using the NPU and then they just need to send the resulting model up to their servers without having to worry about storing any training data. All of this, happens at the consumer's cost and infact they will probably make money off of the hardware sales eventually. All so we can give them copies of our brain that they can query at will. or maybe I'm just paranoid haha! what do you think?