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Logitech MX Mechanical Keyboard

• Buxato 4y ago
  Never I will buy again Logitech crappy hardware. Also we should avoid buying wireless stuff unless necessary imo.
• treyfitty 4y ago
  I suppose the only thing that makes this a better proposition is Logitechs Flow software, which allows you to use the same keyboard/mouse across multiple devices on your network, without having to manually switch. Otherwise, keychron's low-profile keyboards are a better value.
  • behnamoh 4y ago
    In my experience, Logi Flow has been somewhat wonky. I think a better, more stable option is to use a KVM.
  • core-utility 4y ago
    Keychron has been amazing, 0 issues for me. Flow looks cool but I would question reliability.
  • aceazzameen 4y ago
    Or there's Microsoft's Mouse Without Borders, which can be used with any brand mouse/keyboard. I use it all the time. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/mouse-without-borders-setupuser-guide-tips-tricks/0523308d-3406-4273-b86e-bef28aa6b50d https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/mouse-...
    • treyfitty 4y ago
      Right, but that's only for Windows. Logitech Flow supports Mac + Windows.
  • gigaflop 4y ago
    I have one of their MX Vertical mice connected to my phone, laptop, and desktop, and can switch between the pairings with the hardware button on the bottom. If I was traveling a lot, I'd probably consider this as a good option to have a compact-but-comfortable keyboard.
  • professor_v 4y ago
    Keychron has too high latency for me, I'm hoping this has a more acceptable input lag.
  • diffeomorphism 4y ago
    > Logitechs Flow software How does it compare to Synergy or Mouse without borders? https://symless.com/synergy https://symless.com/synergy https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/garage/wall-of-fame/mouse-without-borders/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/garage/wall-of-fame/mouse-wi...
    • falcolas 4y ago
      Personally I prefer Synergy. Paid for it a decade or more ago, and it works well.
    • ProtoMathics 4y ago
      there is subtle difference in situation you both describing, but that subtle difference can be HUGE thing. MX series can be connected to multiple devices, most bluetooth accessories cant, still in BT5 world, but thats how it is. so. even if software is absolutely same, you get better experience with MX keyboards.. because you dont have to pair it everytime you take your keyboard to work etc. which most keyboards fail to do. which is ridiculous. also with mx keyboard you can use it on your ipad, pc,.... and there is button or key shortcut(depends on model) which helps you to switch to that other device. so you can have ipad + desktop in front of you and when you are writing on pc and your ipad email notification goes on, you just press keyboard shorcut and you can start typing on your ipad. sorry for this convoluted explanation, but in real use it removes so many annoyances that it is worth mentioning. mx series of products is best product line from all manufacturers of this kind of accessory combined and i can tell you i had a looooot of wireless keyboards in my life. i use ipad more that 10 years and had almost always keyboard connected. first ipad was trash as..
      • ProtoMathics 4y ago
        and this switching works even if you do not use ANY software.
        • diffeomorphism 4y ago
          Yes, that is multi-device bluetooth. Neat and definitely better implemented than in some cheaper devices. However, the question was specifically about the flow software.
  • bigmattystyles 4y ago
    I came here saying that I would never again use software for a peripheral (keyboard, mouse) to control color, etc.. that must be kept running to maintain settings. I'm looking at you Razor Mouse. It's one thing to have custom software to set settings but the idea that the peripheral can't maintain those settings unless the software is kept running is ridiculous to me. My GMMK keyboard, for instance, it's a bit awkward but you don't need custom software to control color or custom functions, you can switch most of those using the keyboard itself or run software, set your settings, then exit the software and maintain your settings.
  • tailspin2019 4y ago
    > the only thing that makes this a better proposition is Logitechs Flow software Not sure if you've tried Flow but personally, in my experience of using it (on Mac), I would not recommend it at all. Their hardware is very good (I have an MX Keys keyboard and MX Master 3 mouse) but the software is buggy and doesn't live up to its marketing promises; especially Flow. To the degree that it somewhat devalues the otherwise well built hardware devices. Flow is not very reliable for me. It wouldn't be quite so bad but Logitech have a very strange design flaw in their Flow implementation which compounds the software issues; the MX Keys keyboard has 3x dedicated device buttons to allow you to manually switch between host computers, but this does not sync with the mouse - which has its own button on the underside. When you switch between computers via software using Flow (when it works), it moves both mouse and keyboard at the same time. But when Flow flakes out, as it often does, you have to revert back to using the dedicated button on the keyboard AND turn your mouse upside down and click the switch button multiple times to also switch it to the new host. It seems to be madness that they have designed a matching pair of keyboard and mouse, with this advertised "multiple host" capability, and yet the very obvious feature of switching both keyboard AND mouse together, to the same host via the dedicated keyboard keys is absent. Here's a 2 year old Logitech forum post about this issue with 674 upvotes: https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360050755634--Feature-request-Make-MX-Keys-easy-switch-the-mouse-too https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/3600507556... And another 2 year old post with 275 votes: https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360049320614-MX-keys-and-mx-master-3-easy-switch-buttons https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/3600493206... Logitech say its "difficult to implement" and yet there are a number of workarounds on GitHub that people have come up with to fix this behaviour. Knowing that the Flow software has full control over which host the keyboard and mouse are assigned to, having the software/driver automatically switch both devices when the dedicated button is pressed on the keyboard seems like it should not be difficult to implement. I'm now using macOS' new Universal Control feature instead which is a good reliable implementation of what Flow tried to achieve. Switching between my Macs has been 100% reliable since using Universal Control. The downside is the special functions of the MX Master mouse do not carry over to the second Mac (scroll wheel behaviour is different and difficult to control, dedicated buttons don't work). So there are a different set of compromises. I now plan to look at hacking up something that uses a combination of Universal Control and some custom messages sent to the keyboard/mouse to have them switch hosts based on when Universal Control switches hosts.
• activitypea 4y ago
  I hope they make an MX Split keyboard that doesn't cost an arm and a leg
• whalesalad 4y ago
  I have a lot of MX gear, it's good stuff. After transitioning towards ergo products though I can't imagine going back to a vanilla keyboard. I am using a K860 now and really like it a lot, minus the tenkey form factor. Would love to see a shallow (yet tactile/clicky) keyboard in the spirit of ~2015 Macbook Pro but in an ergonomic layout w/o tenkey. I have smaller hands and the full travel of cherry switches ends up being cumbersome. Anyone know if this holy grail kb exists?
  • jeffbr13 4y ago
    I tracked down a good condition 2009-2010 vintage A1242 aluminium ten-keyless Apple Keyboard[1] on ebay for £54 last year for exactly that feeling. Supposedly they came with iMacs for just a year or so before they were discontinued. My first-gen Magic Trackpad fits perfectly where the numpad would be. My only complaint is I can't position the trackpad below the spacebar like on a MacBook so have to move my hands from the home row, but that's because the keyboard and trackpad both have a slant to them. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Aluminum_w/o_Numeric_Keypad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Aluminum_w/o_N...)
• behnamoh 4y ago
  I don't like the size of RIGHT-SHIFT on the mini model. When using Vim keys, I always find it more convenient to have a full-size SHIFT on both sides of the keyboard. This is not specific to Logitech, however. Many mechs do that for whatever reason.
  • gigaflop 4y ago
    It's about space savings. 1.75u width shift is considered a 'standard nonstandard' size for a compact keyboard, and it's generally worth the squeeze for the extra full-size 1u key.
• gigaflop 4y ago
  They don't tell you what the actual switches are on the page, but they look like Cherry's low-profile switches, which will hopefully mean that the keycaps can be customized. Taller keycaps like SA or MT3 profile might not be great with such short travel, but GMK/OEM/Cherry profile would probably be comfortable.
  • MivLives 4y ago
    Could also be choc v2s, which I say is more likely, because otherwise they'd plaster cherry logos somewhere on the page. There's a bunch of compatibility problems with those. Cherry, GMK, and PBT MT3 all don't work according to a geekhack thread I see. Cherry's lp switch would probably have similar issues.
    • gigaflop 4y ago
      I didn't know about the choc V2s until today, thanks! A shame that there might be fitment issues.
      • MivLives 4y ago
        They're a bit on the obscure side, even among low profile keeb people. Very few boards support them (I think there's like a corne variant and maybe one or two other one offs), and they only come in 3 types.
        • gigaflop 4y ago
          I remember the 'US electrical socket with no ground pin' shaped stem form the V1s, and thought it was a shame that it was so hard to source keycaps for them. I never tried more than some loose switches I got on sale, since, you know. No broad support/interest, it seemed.
          • MivLives 4y ago
            Luckily that's increased. MBK keycaps came out and which were some of the first to not have flat tops. Then they put out a colored variant, and there's been a few other companies readying new ones (MCC, WRK(work louder), and chicago steno if you want something really fancy). Nothing like mx mount switches though, with a few dozen group buys running at once but it's getting easier to find good stuff.
• kasperni 4y ago
  Worth pointing out they also released the new MX Master 3S [1] today. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/logitech-mx-master-3s-review-the-best-wireless-mouse-gets-slightly-better/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/logitech-mx-master-3...
  • ninjin 4y ago
    Well, I sure hope it is better than the MX Master 3. For my hands the original – discontinued – MX Master is still the best fit and the MX Master 3 is too small. However, my supply of old MX Masters has started to break down on me at this point and I am growing increasingly worried what the replacement could be.
    • neogodless 4y ago
      I'm with you. I loved the original, and tried to go straight to the MX Master 3, but it was too narrow. Ended up getting an MX Master 2S, and the size is comparable to the first, and I love it. This 3S keeps the narrower body shape of the 3, so it won't be an option for me.
      • ninjin 4y ago
        Thank you, I will see if I can find one to try out. The MX Vertical has felt pretty nice in my hands too whenever I tried it at a store, but I can not buy a mouse with such an absolutely awful scroll wheel.
  • sto_hristo 4y ago
    I have the MX Master 3 and it's so close to perfection: 1) put the device swap button on easily accessible place along with the device led indicator (perhaps incorporated in the battery led indicator); 2) make it able to work directly via usb cable for redundancy. That is all.
    • akvadrako 4y ago
      The 3S is supposed to have more quiet clicks, which I consider another improvement.
• zweifuss 4y ago
  What I don't like about the MX keyboards is that they don't have an IBM compatibility mode. For example, the pause key is Start+Fn+B. So the familiar break combination in Visual Studio CTRL+Pause is CTRL+Start+Fn+B. The Fn key is on the left, so it requires two-handed operation. Some key combinations can not be reached at all, not even as a macro. The macro facility (progammable key) is near useless anyway.
  • IE6 4y ago
    fwiw this has more to do with keyboard layout and pcb programming than the switches - my 'tex shinobi' board has a dedicated Pause key (and more).
    • Jim_Heckler 4y ago
      they meant "Logitech MX" not "Cherry MX"
  • retSava 4y ago
    While this is a workaround rather a solution, I use sharpkeys (https://www.randyrants.com/category/sharpkeys/ https://www.randyrants.com/category/sharpkeys/) to reprogram keys I don't use as much. Eg caps lock -> delete, num lock and scroll lock -> volume down/up, paragraph key -> play/pause (I'm on SE layout). Works very well for me.
  • layer8 4y ago
    Also no Menu key (in the place were they have the Fn key), which I use all the time on Windows. The combined Windows/Mac keycap labels are unfortunate as well (unless you frequently switch your keyboard between both systems I guess), seems like a cheap cost-cutting measure instead of offering two models or exchangeable keycaps.
• xqcgrek2 4y ago
  I will never go back to fixed unsplit keyboard again. I much prefer split ergo keyboards, eg https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/edge/ https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/edge/ or its non gaming version
  • jason2323 4y ago
    Just made the switch to Ergodox EZ so looking forward to that
  • leohonexus 4y ago
    How are they on a day to day basis? I’m thinking on getting one but not sure how big of an upgrade it is from unsplit ones.
    • xqcgrek2 4y ago
      Huge different especially if you tent them. I have large hands and always also felt cramped on unsplit keyboards but not on split keyboards
    • MivLives 4y ago
      Been using one for over two years now. They're great, but I'd say go for one that isn't row staggered (the keys don't line up vertically in columns).
      • samatman 4y ago
        I'd like to add nuance to this advice. For reasons I don't understand, ortholinear is either a Really Big Deal or it just... isn't. I'm the latter. Switching to the ErgoDox layout took some doing, it's been an iterative process of tweaking the layout, but actually typing on linear keys was a transition I barely noticed. For different brains it's a complete showstopper and they have to learn how to type again, for many people that won't be worth it. I prefer typing on linear keyboards. There is unfortunately little way to tell which camp you're in without trying for yourself.
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• CobaltFire 4y ago
  The mini looks pretty much identical to my Keychron K3. Not sure if that’s good or bad; it’s one of my favorite keyboards and cost me 1/3 of what they are asking.
• ubertaco 4y ago
  This looks like a non-hotswappable board with proprietary switches, and it's still tied to Logitech's wireless dongles (which are notoriously bad about both causing and being super-sensitive to 2.4Ghz-spectrum interference). I mean, I _think_ the switches are proprietary -- the page has no real information about the switches at all, which is a bit like selling a computer by showing you a picture of the case and telling you it has "a CPU". Hotswappable switch sockets are basically a standard feature in the mechanical keyboard scene these days, with boards that sell for as low as $50-$60 having hotswappable sockets. I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Enthusiasts will see the non-standard switches and lack of hotswap, and the fact that it's Logitech, honestly, and will bounce off. Non-enthusiasts will see that this Logitech keyboard is $150, but doesn't offer all that much more than their cheaper wireless multi-device keyboards, and will just buy a cheaper non-mech option. At $150, it's priced above most budget boards (the sort you'd see on /r/budgetkeebs, which is more my wheelhouse anyways), but with none of the selling points of the boards in that range -- and it's getting into the low end of "standard"/"pricier" boards, but again, it can't compete with boards in the $60 range....so why bother? *EDIT*: I'm seeing a lot of folks responding to this and saying "look, this is exactly what I'm looking for", so...I stand corrected. The above are my own opinions (and as a little bit of a hyper-frugalist sometimes, I'd still recommend shopping around on prices), but they're just that: my opinions. Don't let me make you feel like you're stupid or wrong to like what you like just because it's not what _I_ like! If this is your jam, then I'm stoked for you, and congrats on possibly finding the exact thing you're looking for!
  • bayindirh 4y ago
    > I don't get who this product is for, other than maybe someone who has heard mechanical keyboards are cool but is daunted by doing any research into what mechanical keyboard options exist out there. Me, or anybody who needs a no-fuss, one-shot, buy-and-use-it-till-it-dies type of consumer. I don't care about changing switches. I don't care about DIY. While I'm perfectly capable, I don't want to spend time on that. I want something works well, and equipped with a well known 2.4GHz receiver which can work with any OS, incl. firmware updates. I need to do my daily work with it. Not fiddle with keys, caps, boards, firmware and soldering iron. I'll be seriously considering this. If it's adequately close to MX Browns, I'll get one.
• Invictus0 4y ago
  This is just an ad, why is this on HN?
  • davidbarker 4y ago
    It takes you to the product page (primary source) for a product that was just announced today. I use an MX Master 3 mouse (which they also updated today), and I thought the HN crowd might be interested (good or bad) in a new mechanical keyboard from Logitech.
• cosmiccatnap 4y ago
  I'll be the one to say it. For the price point you can build a very good custom keyboard with low profile keys of your choice. This is a fact that Logitech, Corsair, and razer, hope you never bother to find out.
  • xgbi 4y ago
    I'll be the one to ask for it: you saying that without any hint on where and how to procure this means that I can't take your message seriously. Provide proof?
  • brk 4y ago
    Of course you can, but not everybody wants to. Right now my desk is littered with ESP32 modules, small breadboards and random electronics related to a few projects I am working on. I could build a keyboard nearly from scratch - I have a CNC machine I could carve a case on, Atmel chips that I could use to make a USB interface, etc. But I don't have the interest in building or modding a keyboard, I just want to buy something that works so I can concentrate on other things. IMO Logitech is better than average at market research and product targeting. My guess is they will sell hundreds of thousands of these easily, probably just not to the mechanical keyboard hacker market.
  • vehemenz 4y ago
    Can you though? I am trying to build a custom keyboard. It's exhausting to sort through the bad layouts, tacky RGB cases, and ugly keycaps. Custom keycap sets rarely have legends for function/media keys. If I find something I like, everything is sold out, or the "drop" has ended. It's potentially a lot of work. I love the idea of a big manufacturer designing a keyboard that checks many boxes for people. Decent switches, a decent layout, and actual legends on keycaps will go a long way.
  • flr03 4y ago
    Most people are not interested into building keyboards.
• stephen_g 4y ago
  Do they have a USB-C receiver yet? Doesn’t say here. EDIT: Found it, it’s in “System Requirements” - USB-A. That’s annoying.
  • unwind 4y ago
    There are adapters, but that's another $8 or whatever [1] and more stuff sticking out from the computer, of course. [1] https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13507 https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13507
• metaphor 4y ago
  > Compatibility: Logi Bolt USB Receiver[^11] > [^11] Not compatible with Logitech Unifying USB Receiver technology So you'll have to throw away your existing MX Anywhere 3 and repurchase this seemingly vaporware "for Business" variant[1] if you want a single transceiver for mouse+keyboard? Hmm... [1] https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-anywhere-3-for-business.910-006215.html https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-anywhere-3-f...
  • ascagnel_ 4y ago
    The decision to go from Unifying to Bolt is mystifying to me, since there's seemingly no user-facing benefit. It makes upgrading less enticing -- they should have either rolled out a new set of peripherals that all supported Bolt at the same time, or they should have rolled out an interim generation that supported both Bolt and Unifying.
    • AdrianB1 4y ago
      At first look, the Bolt stuff is supposed to be more secure, with better encryption or the data transferred and maybe with narrower band to allow more concurrent users in high density offices. I don't know how much it is correct and how much it is marketing, this is what I read.
      • tmottabr 4y ago
        The Unifying used same frequency as BT but a diferent protocol.. The Bolt is basically BT 5.0 Low Power..
    • fuzzy2 4y ago
      Isn't the Unifying encryption broken beyond recovery or something? Either way, more secure connections for something as critical as input data are very welcome IMHO. That being said, for office work I'm satisfied with Bluetooth. No extra dongles is a huge plus, too.
    • FredPret 4y ago
      Also, no USB-C? I now need to plug my Unifying Receivers into a dongle to go into my M1 machine. Yuck.
• unixhero 4y ago
  I have one at work, it feels absolutely fantastic. I was very surprised when it was used randomly at a new info kiosk.
• alecfreudenberg 4y ago
  Doesn't seem to compete with comparable mechanicals. The Flow feature is the only appealing thing here. I would have liked to see the VR keyboard tracking included. I would have considered one then. I'll note that I love my MX Master 3 and haven't found anything that even comes close.
  • jldl805 4y ago
    I use MX Keys, MX Keys Mini, and enthusiast mechanical keyboards. I used to use Flow but switched to Mouse Without Borders. I am interested in this, like the Bolt connectors (no wake up lag like bluetooth), and won't use Flow. Some of you need to realize you are not representative of the purchasing public at large...
• rambojazz 4y ago
  After trying QMK I can never go back to any keeb with proprietary software
  • 7839284023 4y ago
    > QMK Have a look at ZMK then, if you want to go wireless! https://zmk.dev/ https://zmk.dev/
  • rgoulter 4y ago
    Similarly, typing with keyboards where the thumb gets access to more than just the spacebar is another boon. (It's nice to be able to use the thumbs for space, backspace, enter, escape, tab).
• sogen 4y ago
  Avoid installing their Logi Options software. It installs as root on OSX and is a nightmare to uninstall.
  • kitsunesoba 4y ago
    In my experience their software in general is terrible. For a while I had the Logitech G Hub software installed for configuring a G604 Lightspeed mouse, and it would randomly start eating 100% of a core for indefinite periods while sitting in the background for no apparent reason. Saw this behavior under both macOS and Windows. Their hardware is decent but they gotta ditch the crappy lowest bidder offshore contractor software. It’s garbage.
    • tailspin2019 4y ago
      > Their hardware is decent but they gotta ditch the crappy lowest bidder offshore contractor software. It’s garbage. Completely agree. The difference in quality between hardware and software is really noticeable.
• jwr 4y ago
  I'll stick to my UHK (Ultimate Hacking Keyboard), thank you. How is this even remotely interesting? This isn't even a split keyboard.
• steffanwilliams 4y ago
  It doesn't seem to have the US layout available in the UK, which is always a shame to see! I'm too used to the US layout to switch.
• mftb 4y ago
  I use a k845[0]. Excellent keyboard. Inexpensive. [0]https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k845-mechanical-illuminated.html https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/k845-mecha...
  • dragosmocrii 4y ago
    Had one for 3 years, and then it started chattering unfortunately
• mcdonje 4y ago
  Compare with: https://www.keychron.com/collections/low-profile-keyboard-collection https://www.keychron.com/collections/low-profile-keyboard-co...
  • ProtoMathics 4y ago
    do you have any low KEY TRAVEL silen keyboards ? waht i absolutelly hate about "mechanical" keyboards is that unnecessary long key travel which makes typing slower. and that constatn freaking noise is cancer.
    • jansan 4y ago
      Wooting has been developing optical switches for which you can adjust the key travel distance. Unfortunately they are notoriously bad at keeping their promised release dates, so I run out of patience and went with an keychron and equipped it with yellow switches.
    • mcdonje 4y ago
      I'm not associated with Keychron, but I have their K7 with optical "brown" switches. The travel seems normal to me and I've had no complaints about the sound. Other switches may be louder. Absolutely no complaints on design or build. My only complaint with them is the K5 has been out of stock for as long as I've been aware of them. I love the K7 for travel, but I want something similarly low profile for my desk that has a number pad.
• book_mike 4y ago
  I used to love Das Keyboard. I love Keychron now.
  • jansan 4y ago
    I still own a Das Keyboard II in pristine condition with unlabeled POM keycaps and Cherry blue switches. Was not so happy with Das Keyboard 4, now I am a happy Kechron user, too.
• dsr_ 4y ago
  Can someone explain to me the attraction of wireless keyboards? I get wireless mice: they're much easier to reposition - but my keyboard stays in one place all the time. Do other people move their keyboards repeatedly?
  • lillecarl 4y ago
    Some people put them in their lap and use a hard mouse-mat, some like the aesthetics. Some people carry external keyboard and mouse with their laptop for when they dock. There are a multitude of reasons, but for something fixed to a desktop I don't find many upsides personally.
  • julianlam 4y ago
    In my opinion it's an aesthetic thing, to not have any wires snaking round back of the desk to the computer.
    • mewse 4y ago
      I'd argue that when you're doing it properly, the cable is responsible for at least 50% of the aesthetic of any nice keyboard setup. Going wireless would be considerably less visually interesting than what you can do with a nice, attractive cable. (but I'll concede that wireless is heaps better than using the ugly/boring/fragile thin black cables that typically get bundled in with keyboards at no additional cost)
  • stu2b50 4y ago
    1) less wires 2) offices where you don't have set desks 3) easily swapping between computers without a kvm
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    • varun_ch 4y ago
      Isn't it easier to unplug and plug the cable into a different computer rather than messing with Bluetooth settings until it connects? Edit: Never mind, it looks like the keyboard can connect to multiple devices at a time. That's really cool.
• ktross 4y ago
  Logitech is no longer the great company it used to be, so I have decided to no longer purchase their products. I purchased a G Pro X Wireless Headset less than 2 years ago, and I'm already on my second warrranty replacement (3 total headsets.) Multiple parts on it seem designed to fail, and all of mine have failed in the same way. They use laughably small screws to connect the band to the arms that hold the earcups and they just snap after a few months. It's very sad to see so much e-waste created just to increase profits by a few cents per unit. I've been using wired mechanical keyboards for about 15 years so I can't recommend a wireless model, but Ducky makes great, reliable, entry-level mechanical keyboards. I've mostly used Ducky and I've never had one of their keyboards fail in any way. Glorious also makes great keyboards, but based on my perception of the build quality, I have a feeling their cheaper keyboards might not last as long. I'm currently using a Glorious GMMK Pro and it feels very solid.
  • ProtoMathics 4y ago
    JBL bluetooth headphones have "firmware feature" which lowers volume of left earpiece slowly over time. Happened on multiple different products, bought by schoolmates of mine and also on 3 different units of one product for me. Pioneer SE-M531, M521 .... have similar problem with screws as you state. logitech - i absolutely LOVE MX series of products they are innovative and provide absolutelly best functionality, keys look nice not really my style but they look nice as a unit. so i am sad to see they jumped on mechanical keyboard bandwagon, i hate mechanical keyboards with all my life. always clicking, long travel, slow typing....
    • 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
      long travel, slow? this keyboard looks low profile. probably don't have to press the keys as far. and the amount of force required to activate the key is less than non mechanical iirc. they usually tell you how many grams of force are needed
  • jabroni_salad 4y ago
    It feels weird to me, to judge a keyboard company by their headset. Those have always had fragile plastic hinges with the earcups falling off, that is not a new development. Their mice and keyboards are pretty good, and the G Pro Wireless is one of the best in the game right now.
• post_break 4y ago
  If you're in the market the keychron brand has similar builds with hot swappable switches. I'm rocking a K6 with holy panda switches and absolutely love the buttery feel.
  • pqdbr 4y ago
    I also went with keychron a year ago and I’m very pleased. My only complaint is that battery is shitty if you use the wireless mode with the led backlight on all the time (it will last about 4-5 days max).
  • jansan 4y ago
    We have a K2 and Q1 (more than 1.5kg!), both will yellow Gaterons, and they are just so great to work with. I don't know what Logitech's marketing was thinking, they seem to have stripped all that is fun about mechnical keyboards from the product and created something exceptionally lame.
• wyager 4y ago
  This seems like a poor option for this price range.
• DeepYogurt 4y ago
  When's the MX touch pad coming out logitech?
• dukeofdoom 4y ago
  I have a low profile keychron k2, and I like it for the most part. Looks great. However, I tried out the logitech ergo keyboard and it feels nicer to my hands. I would probably switch to it, if it had LED lights. Mechanical switches and no number pad and I would definitely switch.
• donatj 4y ago
  I am not a gamer. The price gouging on things gamers enjoy is irritating. It happened with headphones, mice, and now keyboards. As “gamers” and particularly streamers grew as a market category, the prices for goods associated with them went insane. Even considering inflation, $150 for a Logitech keyboard is just nuts, even if it is mechanical.
  • ulkesh 4y ago
    This is a pretty standard price for mechanical keyboards, whether pre-built or self-built. Hasn't really changed much in the last 5 or so years, that I am aware. I do agree, though, that they do take advantage via FOMO or perceived elitism, to a degree, with such pricing.
  • wodenokoto 4y ago
    > Even considering inflation, $150 for a Logitech keyboard is insane, even if it is mechanical. I don't think you have been looking at Logitech keyboards for a while. Logitech Craft, which is a few years old retails at $169. MX Keys (which this is presumably the mechanical version of) costs $119 I don't think the MX or the Craft series are aimed at gamers, but at office workers / typists. Logitech Gaming Keyboards, such as G413 TKL is $69 and the Pro K/DA, which is a collaboration with the League of Legends Band/mascots is $129 $150 for a logitech keyboard is in no way high for the brand, or an attempt at taking advantage of gamers.
  • BeFlatXIII 4y ago
    Worse than the price inflation are all the RGB LEDs spammed over everything. Can't stand the gamer aesthetic taking over a market.
  • emsixteen 4y ago
    Mate, buying a mechanical keyboard a decade ago was nigh on impossible.
  • nix0n 4y ago
    The counterpoint to this is laptops. If you're doing CAD and you need to get a laptop with a decent GPU in it, the enterprise version of that will cost you twice as much as the gaming version.
• newsymonger 4y ago
  Review here, if you're interested: https://bigtechquestion.com/2022/05/24/review/logitech-mx-mechanical-review-fit-for-the-office/ https://bigtechquestion.com/2022/05/24/review/logitech-mx-me...
• lvass 4y ago
  Do we have any users here who have to type important passwords, and still own wireless keyboards? What convinced you this is safe?
  • krallja 4y ago
    I use a wired keyboard for latency, FileVault, and reliability reasons. I’m not concerned about the security. If someone is close enough to sniff BT packets, they can also do acoustic analysis of your typing, or a TEMPEST attack on the (plaintext!) USB protocol. BT can have about the same level of encryption as TLS. https://duo.com/decipher/understanding-bluetooth-security https://duo.com/decipher/understanding-bluetooth-security
    • lvass 4y ago
      >close enough to sniff BT packets, they can also do acoustic analysis of your typing, or a TEMPEST attack Evidence needed, those look multiple orders of magnitude harder. >BT can have about the same level of encryption as TLS But does your keyboard always have it, even in bootloader/initrd? What about the far more common wireless USB dongles?
• ardit33 4y ago
  I tried several higher end keyboards, and build 2 of them myself. (custom keycaps and all), but the average enthusiast mech. keyboard is just not usable for programming. most of them are high profile, while they are great for typing, they are terrible at activities where you have to navigate around in a speedy way (something that you do a lot during programming). A low profile keyboard is a must, and the custom scene just doesn't have that many options for it, and you have to go commercial. I have the G915 TKL Clicky version and it is a great keyboard. It is fast, low profile, and the switches feel great (Rebranded Khail Choc V1). The only problem is that it is a bit too noisy for office setting, and I can only use it at home. The G915 Linear version is quiet, but it doesn't feel that great, and I didn't like it, so I sticked with the Clicky version. I am curious how this new attempt will feel and work out. I wish Logitech had a normal TKL layout for this, as the Mini feels a bit too cramped, while the full sized keyboard is just too large. The more options in the market, the better for all of us.
• rubyist5eva 4y ago
  numpad is a dealbreaker for me I never really realized how annoying it was to reach so far for my mouse until I got used to having a tenkeyless keyboard...now I won't use anything else. EDIT: nevermind, there is a tenkeyless version - i'm a dummy
  • endor5639 4y ago
    This also comes in a tenkeyless mini variant
    • rubyist5eva 4y ago
      Ok, wow I'm dumb I didn't even try the dropdowns.
  • rgoulter 4y ago
    This is what's appealing with the complex layouts with < 50 keys. It's satisfying to be able to drive a system with hands sticking close to home row, and rarely straying from the same column.
• klausa 4y ago
  Am I the only one that likes the _idea_ of customizable keyboards, but just can't stand how the mechanical keyboarsd feel? I wish the customization options and custom keycaps, etc. would trickle to down to the non-mechanical market. I understand that's not where the money (probably) is, but I actively dislike the noise and physical feeling of mechanical keyboards, but would _love_ to be able to build and customize one. I want a low-profile keys, scissor switches, but with cute colorways and in layout that doesn't make my wrists feel like they'll explode after 30 minutes.
  • omni 4y ago
    They make low-profile mechanicals that feel and sound much different than the full profile versions you're probably thinking of. I have one of these, it's quiet enough for work and feels great with the banana switches I threw in it: https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-wireless-mechanical-keyboard https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-wireless-mecha...
  • ValentinPearce 4y ago
    There are plenty of options, however they do require at least some time and money investment. With low-profile switches, you can have switches that are as light or heavy as you want. I guess the travel distance is what makes the feeling the most different from scissor switches. I'm alternating between two radically different keyboards and a semi limited budget: a GMMK Pro with extremely silent heavy tactile switches (Boba U4s) and high profile keycaps, and a Ferris Sweep, split columnar ergo with Low profile switches (Choc burned orange so still heavy tactile but that's my preference). Both are more quiet than an standard plastic rubber dome keyboard. I can hear the springs in the low profile one but it is apparently easy enough to mod, it's just not worth it to me as I don't bother my colleagues and I'm not bothered by it myself. It seems like a lot of work is needed to emulate scissor switches but it may be worth it. Depending on your area, you might find someone willing to lend/send you a keychron low profile to try out. I guess most people who enjoy scissor switches are content with what is already on offer.
  • riskable 4y ago
    > I wish the customization options and custom keycaps, etc. would trickle to down to the non-mechanical market. Just get a 3D printer and all your cheap, completely custom keycap desires will be answered... https://github.com/riskable/keycap_playground https://github.com/riskable/keycap_playground I'm typing on Keycap Playground keycaps right now: https://gfycat.com/costlyglaringhyracotherium https://gfycat.com/costlyglaringhyracotherium Also, that gif is of my completely custom analog hall effect keyboard that uses 3D printed Void Switches which you can also customize to your heart's delight: https://github.com/riskable/void_switch https://github.com/riskable/void_switch (Make them feel however you like since the design is parametric and you can customize the feel by changing the total travel, distance between the magnets at rest, etc) For reference, I'm spending most of my time working on the firmware so that I can start selling some (though "the plan" is mostly surrounding selling PCBs/kits and "print it your damned self!" hehe). Here's the numpad I've been working on lately (to develop the firmware): https://gfycat.com/softfixedfanworms https://gfycat.com/softfixedfanworms
• tushar-r 4y ago
  Doesn't look like they have easily user replaceable batteries, which means a default no from me.
• pkdpic 4y ago
  I'm definitely a neophyte to mechanical keyboard culture but its pretty obvious that its being co-opted by and sold to normies. I've observed that its the mechanical keyboard gamer scenes fault.
  • ascagnel_ 4y ago
    I remember it being the other way around -- there was a class of programmers that loved the old buckling-spring IBM mechanical keyboards, then about 15 years ago Das Keyboard started making a new stuff. It became a much more common shortly after when the patents on mechanical key-switches expired; Cherry and Gateron made their switches widely available and OEMs took it to the "wide niche" that it is today.
• harshreality 4y ago
  Bizarre how a rechargeable keyboard without an intentionally user serviceable battery has a specs section titled "sustainability".
  • user3939382 4y ago
    Political lip service is a key facet of modern marketing
  • riskable 4y ago
    Also, their switches aren't hot swappable so if one stops working (or even becomes just a bit finicky) consumers are likely to throw the whole thing out.
• jasonjmcghee 4y ago
  I bought an F97 when it was released, and it's by far the best keyboard I've ever used. https://iqunix.store/collections/f97-series/products/f97-hitchhiker https://iqunix.store/collections/f97-series/products/f97-hit... It's bluetooth (up to 3 devices, which you can change between with a key stroke), and also supports wireless dongle or wired (usb-c) Hot swappable, 260 day battery life... The key caps are PBT- they feel so much better than any keys I've used. I have always used cherry blue, but chose pink on this one and it's silent. I love this thing.
• obituary_latte 4y ago
  Wasn't very easy to find, but here are the differences between the 3 key types: >Linear switches, colored red, are the smoothest, with no tactile bump and little noise. >Tactile switches, colored brown, have a little discernible bump and little sound. It would be the one closest to a traditional typing experience you find on our MX Keys keyboards. >Clicky switches, colored blue, have a discernible bump and sound. They are the loudest of the three switch types. https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/5216332313495-FAQ-MX-Mechanical https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/5216332313495-FAQ...
• michaelmrose 4y ago
  Bad points. The cable is for charging only there is no way to simply plug it in to minimize latency. It has no standard caps lock led and instead blinks the LED on the caps lock key which is surely enabled by some low level functionality that is hard to disable. I would bet dollars to donuts that if you swapped caps lock for escape it would still turn the blinking LED under the key on or off every time you hit escape. If there is a way to disable that its probably in some windows only software. If you want a consumer mechanical keyboard where you don't have to futz with switches or group buys at the same price point I'm thinking Das Keyboard.
• lvl102 4y ago
  Buy a Topre and be done with it. RealForce or HHKB. You can’t go wrong with either of those keyboards. I am also going to say something controversial: none of the Cherry-style switches are worth the hassle because they’re all flawed.
  • modzu 4y ago
    topre is fantastic but no love for cherry reds??
  • powersnail 4y ago
    As a owner of an HHKB, I don't see what's so special about topre. It doesn't really feel better than other mechanical keyboards. After the initial excitement, it's just another keyboard. I wouldn't recommend it in 2022.
    • lvl102 4y ago
      Blasphemy! All kidding aside, I know what you mean. I say the same about audiophiles.
  • neogodless 4y ago
    You didn't say why Topre is good, or how the Cherry-style switches are flawed. I'm not sure what my takeaway is, other than what you individually like.
• ghostly_s 4y ago
  Scrolled through this page on mobile and there's not a single clear picture of the product.
• sizzle 4y ago
  How much better is this than the MX Keys I have and love using? I think the shallow buttons on the MX keys leads to repetitive strain in wrist area, will mechanical keys help me push down with less force than the MX keys and possibly alleviate some of this pain?
• kosma 4y ago
  It's such a disappointment that they chose to continue the weird custom layout of MX Keys - merged function row with two extra buttons and missing PrintSc/Pause/ScrollLk. I also had to import my MX Keys from the US because the European layout is a joke. In the end, no matter how good things are, they are already spoiled from the design stage. Why, Logitech, why? Side note also - I bought an MX Master 3 and within a year the rubber coating is ruined. I'm trying to get a warranty replacement but I'm pretty sure the replacement will share the same fate. I guess my hands just are acidic?
• samrocksc 4y ago
  Logitech makes better mice than keyboards ;oP, upgrade the MX ergo to USB-C and better BT plz.
• DiabloD3 4y ago
  Don't see the point of this product, this fits squarely in the "too little, too late" category. $150-200 buys you something that has quality switches, probably will have socketed switches (so swapping switches, modifying them, etc, won't require de/resoldering them), comes with at least double-shot PBT keycaps (or better), will have an actually decent backplate, and nowadays a lot of keyboards are coming with sound dampening internally preinstalled, and sometimes even pre-lubed. What did Logitech do here? Kalih Choc V2s (and Logitech doesn't disclose this on their website). They aren't the worst switches, but they're not MX pin compatible (ironic for a keyboard named MX), which also means not a lot of options for keycaps when these start wearing after only 2-3 years of ownership (Chocs don't use MX stems, and I can already tell those look like really low grade caps), which means a keycap replacement will probably cost at least half as much as the keyboard (rare stem types aren't cheap and don't have many options). Side profile photos make it look like it doesn't even have a real plate, and it is so thin that it will flex, thus damaging switches or breaking connections. It is an exceptionally thin build, so they're using a lithium cell that isn't easy to replace. Like, I'm sorry, but this entire thing looks like its design to fail in 2-3 years. You buy mechanical keyboards to use for a decade, because you actually want something halfway decent to type on. $150-200 puts you into the high end of the hobby. If I wanted a keyboard to fail in 2-3 years, but still be mechanical and cut all the corners like Logitech seems to have, China has cranked out some really cheap bangers that have wireless and all the new modern wireless features in the $50 range, or even less if you're going wired (since this is a desktop keyboard, wireless is often an actually unwanted misfeature). I'd skip the entire thing and just buy a real keyboard from a known quality vendor. Literally the price is what made this be instantly DOA, they could have made an argument for $100 to go after the non-knowledgeable segment of the market and probably have gotten away with it. I think Logitech got a case of sudden onset greed when they looked at stuff Keychron, Nuphy, or even GMMK have been cranking out, and thought they could get in on it at a higher price point, but not willing to bring the build or parts quality. Do not buy this thing, you will regret it. Edit: So I read through some of the sibling comments. Nice to see a lot of people also jumping up Logitech's ass over this. I don't understand the argument of "but what about my parents/grandparents in their 50s and 60s". They don't buy mechanical keyboards, they don't care about the fancy feature set in some Bluetooth keyboards, and they will find it absolutely absurd somebody paid over $100 for a keyboard. They will buy a Logitech, and it'll be that really shitty one on the bottom shelf at Walmart, or they will search on Amazon for keyboards and sort by price and buy one of the cheaper ones and it will be some no-name Chinese brand. Unless they're complete absolute unrepentant nerds like we are, the average person on earth, of any possible demographic, is not going to care about a $150 keyboard. Logitech's brand recognition can't save them, it will not push crapware.
• nunez 4y ago
  If this is anything like their ergonomic mouse then it's probably fantastic
• coastflow 4y ago
  The Apple keyboard layout (with Cmd and Opt keys) is a feature that other commenters on this thread haven't yet discussed. The major producers of keyboards with the Apple layout include "Keychron" and "Royal Kludge," but the brands aren't well-known to most consumers in contrast to Logitech. Each brand also has some reports of minor problems with build quality from forum discussions on Reddit, though it remains to be seen if the Logitech keyboard will be much better. You could use a Windows-first mechanical keyboard for MacOS, but the layout is slightly different (the Windows key as Cmd and the Alt key as Option are in different positions than on a Mac-first keyboard). Fixes to remap the keys (example solution: https://superuser.com/questions/158561/how-can-i-remap-windows-and-alt-keys-in-os-x https://superuser.com/questions/158561/how-can-i-remap-windo...) can cause problems for users who work with virtual Windows machines after swapping the keys.
  • TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago
    OSX is 15% market share? Why would they make an entirely separate version on a new line of products just to cater to that, considering the fix you mentioned works for, well anyone not using VMs. (Typed this on a Ducky remapped for OSX)
    • ceeplusplus 4y ago
      It's certainly not 15% marketshare among premium corporate users. I bet if you condition on the company spending at least $700/unit on laptops for their employees, Apple's marketshare is more like 70%.
      • TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago
        And they're buying the shitty Apple keyboards to go along with them. It's not realistic for Logitech to target the "we screwed up where the modifier keys are" aka "Apple layout" market on their first launch.
        • robotburrito 4y ago
          The Apple keyboards in my experience are pretty nice. I often use it as it is easier on my fingers and causes less joint pain.
• OnionBlender 4y ago
  At the top left there is a link to Girls Who Code and it seems that logitech has gone with the hash tag #WomenWhoMaster. Weird choice considering "master branch" and "master bedroom" are now considered too offensive these days. https://www.logitech.com/en-us/mx/girls-who-code.html https://www.logitech.com/en-us/mx/girls-who-code.html
  • oasisbob 4y ago
    Perhaps the marketing team at Logitech believes there is a difference between adopting a master/slave metaphor as opposed to referring to the concept of mastery in some ad copy.
• Shadonototra 4y ago
  Overpriced This shouldn't cost more than 60, and i'm being generous
• Macha 4y ago
  Is this just the G915 without the gamery branding?
  • mas-ev 4y ago
    Looks like it. It is probably using the same switches since you can choose what switch type you want. I don't understand all the hate in this comment section. I love my G915 and I would prefer this design compared to the gamer RGB for an office setting or professional desk.
  • jack_daniels 4y ago
    Nope, no dedicated media keys or scroll wheel on the mx mechanical.
• mzs 4y ago
  What a terrible page, what is the N-key rollover?
• swah 4y ago
  I have two mechanicals standing there, and love the tactility and all - but with a low profile like Mx Keys (or K380) I can "rest" my hand on the place it likes to stay since 1995 or something (ready for the Alt-Tabbing and the CapsLock + C/V), without bending my wrist that much...
  • koverda 4y ago
    I miss the K810 for it's perfect flatness. I've since switched to a lenovo thinkpad wireless trackpoint keyboard. It's flat, compact and awesome. I'd suggest to check it out.
    • swah 4y ago
      Will check - I loved the keyboard on my X220. Do you use the trackpoint still?
      • koverda 4y ago
        Yeah I do use it sometimes.
• sandGorgon 4y ago
  so what's the recommendation for a mechanical keyboard that can be used in a silent, office environment (with coworkers) ? i went over some of the comments and read about "MX Browns" and "low profile switches", etc. What should I be googling for ? this is one of the reason me and several of my colleagues never got into mechanical keyboards - the sound. not all of us have the liberty to work at home because we prefer mechanical keyboards. OTOH we would prefer not to piss everyone off with loud keyboards. I suspect many people are in this boat. Are there mechanical keyboards which have the sound profile of a regular keyboard ? i know they may not be the best in the "mechanical keyboard feel"..but im ok with that.
  • peeters 4y ago
    Browns (Cherry MX is the brand you might have heard referenced, but other switch manufacturers tend to align their colour coding for analogous offerings) are noticeably quieter but they're not going to sound like a mushy non-mechanical switch. Also, they're not meant to be bottomed out but many typists do bottom them out frequently, which makes them louder. Still I find they are a lot more forgiving to your coworkers than a clicky switch. Part of me wants to say "that's the company's problem to fix", if the working arrangement is such that keystrokes can negatively impact your coworkers. Things like white noise generators and walls go a long way to dampening that.
    • kstrauser 4y ago
      Two things made my WASD Keyboards's blue switches much quieter: - Installing the little rubber O rings around the base of each switch so that it's not super loud if I do happen to bottom out. - Replacing the ABS keycaps with PBT. I was genuinely surprised at the difference that made. It's not subtle in the least. I still probably wouldn't use it in a coworking environment because I don't hate my colleagues.
      • sandGorgon 4y ago
        sorry im trying to figure out the jargon here. you bought a mechanical keyboard and then replaces the keys (ABS with PBT) ? is there anything that has this off-the-shelf ?
• mattnguyen 4y ago
  Is there a wireless mechanical _split_ keyboard with tilt and wrist support? I currently have a Kinesis Freestyle Pro, which is fine for me, but they do not support a wireless version. This has helped with my wrist issues, but it's not practical for traveling.
  • k2enemy 4y ago
    I really wish Microsoft would make a version of the ergonomic sculpt with low profile mechanical switches.
• bozhark 4y ago
  Let‘s take the thing and make it like the other thing. Wait, aren’t you making oranges into apples? And charging more! Where’s the benefit? Where’s the increased productivity? Le what?
• gnicholas 4y ago
  One reason I'd be interested to try this is it's presumably easier to buy/return these than custom keyboards. I don't know where I can go to try out different key types, so I'm hesitant to drop hundreds of dollars. But if this ends up on Amazon and I can buy it with a 30 day return window, that makes me much more likely to take the plunge.
• smiley1437 4y ago
  Note that this appears to use the Logi Bolt receiver, not the typical Unifying receiver - so you might end up with 2 dongles (a unifying and a bolt) Be aware that Logitech now has 3 wireless technologies: Unifying - the original 2.4 wireless, supports up to 6 devices. Symbol - Orange square with black or white six-pointed snowflake Logi Bolt - the new encrypted version of their unifying controller, also supports up to 6 devices, uses Bluetooth Low Energy and FIPS. It is a new dongle. Symbol - Yellow hexagon with black bolt LightSpeed Wireless - high performance low latency wireless for gaming, supports only one device per dongle, uses much more energy. Available USB ports on laptops can become an issue if you mix them, happened to me!
  • dawnerd 4y ago
    I really wish their LightSpeed devices also supported bluetooth. If I take my mouse with me on the road it's really annoying having to bring a dongle and the adapter.
    • dankons 4y ago
      I use a G603 LightSpeed which also supports operation via Bluetooth. It actually ends up being pretty handy, as I can switch the mouse between my desktop and laptop just by pressing a button. Beware though, that they have an issue with scroll wheels breaking after several months of use (a plastic axle connecting the wheel to the rotary encoder breaks off). After mine broke the second time after warranty repair, ended up ordering a replacement part myself and also modded the scrolling mechanism to have less resistance.
  • jwatt 4y ago
    For anyone thinking of using this with Linux, there are a couple of issues I've encountered with Logi Bolt with my MX Keys Mini. Getting the keyboard and a Logi Bolt USB receiver to pair on Linux was a huge PITA. (Why do I have to trust and install an app for this anyway?) In the end I resorted to plugging the receiver into a mac and pairing it that way. Even that hasn't worked out so well though, since I ended up with messed up modifier keys when I transferred the receiver back to a Linux machine (the modifier keys are still mapped as a mac keyboard). Another issue I have is that I can't suspend the Linux machine if I leave the USB receiver plugged in. If I do, the machine will wake back up almost immediately after suspending. Kinda annoying to have to always unplug it...especially since if you buying a Logi Bolt device it's probably because you want to be able to switch it between multiple machines without having to constantly plug/unplug thing to USB...
• raydev 4y ago
  Happy to see more mechanical keyboards with a low profile. I dont understand how enthusiasts use the typical wrist-bending tall keyboards all day long.
  • fomine3 4y ago
    palm rest
• antisthenes 4y ago
  Is Logitech even a good value buy these days? Feels like they are just pumping out the most generic chinese-made crap with their logo/brand and riding their old reputation rather than doing anything innovative. This keyboard is a prime example. Too late. (Mechanical keyboard hype started 10-12 years ago) Too expensive. (My first mechanical KB was $30. Yes, that's right. If I didn't spill stuff on it, it would still be working. Still hard to justify paying more than $100 for a single peripheral). Too Meh. (styling looks pretty generic and not really unique enough to tickle the novelty factor for the enthusiasts.) Seriously though, I can't name a single reason this is better than any other mechanical KB in the market.
• candyman 4y ago
  It might be hard to love Logitech as a brand but I've been satisfied with a number of their products and keyboards and mice are important to me. I'm typing for hours a day so it matters. I'm getting older and arthritis sucks so a good mouse helps some. (Although the roller keyboard thing is cool and I'm playing with it some.) Logitech is making it a little weird with the different wireless dongles. For example the MX Master 3 Business mouse uses Bolt but the MX Master 3 uses the older one. And now the Logitech "options" software has the regular and the "beta" which seems to be more for Bolt. I'm not going to buy this keyboard for now since I have plenty. (My most recent was a Drop that was really fun to customize and put together. I can't use it as a "daily driver" because I rely on the extra numeric keypad for work but it's my "convertible" for sunny days!
• 2c2c2c 4y ago
  i don't understand how this front pages HN?
• User23 4y ago
  I don't understand why virtually everyone, even DIY enthusiasts, appears to insist on these monstrously large 6-7 key width space bars. Even a 4 width spacebar would leave room for another pair of modifier keys comfortably located beneath the thumbs. The only modern exceptions I've seen are some Japanese keyboards.
• cwp 4y ago
  Ah man. I just bought a G915 TKL, as the closest thing to what I really wanted, which was this.
  • spoiler 4y ago
    I got the G915 TKL, too and love it. The only thing I wish for from this version would be the dual-labeled key caps with Mac keys... But I still definitely prefer the G915. What do you like about this more? Is it because it's less flashy than the G915, maybe?
    • cwp 4y ago
      Yeah, I don't care about all the gamer-centric stuff. I wanted a wireless keyboard with firm, low profile keys and the ability to switch between several Macs easily, ideally just by plugging my hub into the laptop. This is quite nice, but I had to use Karabiner to swap Cmd and Option on the left. I still haven't been able to get the FN and "menu" keys on the right to behave. I'll have to look closely at this new keyboard, but it seems to check all the boxes, and I might buy one.
      • spoiler 4y ago
        For what its worth, Mac has native settings where you can re-map the keys (which is what I did). Here's a screenshit https://imgur.com/a/3LJtRmp https://imgur.com/a/3LJtRmp
• no-reply 4y ago
  G815 and G915 already exist. Idk why they needed a refresh without a volume scroll and some hotkeys. Or the rgb.
• hammerbrostime 4y ago
  As someone who spends several hours a week livestreaming, I really appreciate the mushy-applesauce-inspired-super-quiet keys that Logitech provides - you can't hear them over the mic.
• jazzythom 4y ago
  Even though I use a mx master 2 I strongly dislike logitech product. It’s tacky and minimum acceptable quality. Like Dell laptops. Opening the box you cant tell where the shipping packaging ends and the product begins.
• google234123 4y ago
  I've always been happy with my logitech purchases. They've been very reliable and when I had an issue with one keyboard the RMA process was great!
• victorhooi 4y ago
  Does anybody know if this Logitech keyboard supports custom keycaps? I'm sorely tempted to replace my Keychron K6 with it * Battery life is apparently 10 months - the Keychron K6 I'm lucky to get a week or so (yes, this is with backlight off) * Keychron doesn't report battery life over BT * Keychron - takes 3-4 seconds to wake from sleep each time, which gets super annoying Of course, I do love the Cherry MX Greens - wonder how the Clicky in the Logitech compares. And yes I want my custom Granite keycaps on this - but it's some low-profile version - so will it work?
• leokennis 4y ago
  Apart from then not offering USB-C dongles at all (not even as separate purchase) I love my Logitech mouse and keyboard to death (K850 set). Pop in some rechargeable batteries and basically you’re set for a year. They always work, never fail, sturdy build, decent software, no nonsens look and no gimmicks.
• deanc 4y ago
  I will never buy another Logitech peripheral after they shipped the MX Master 3 mouse for mac with a scrollwheel that was fundamentally broken [1]. There's been zero recognition from Logitech about this issue, and everyone who's dealt with support has got the same shit about reinstalling drivers etc. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTx6DmRZ5o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTx6DmRZ5o
• ourmandave 4y ago
  Some of the models on their site are wearing beanies. Must be freezing in their hipster work studios. Anyway, sadly you can't actually buy an orange Logitech beanie. Only grey and navy. https://logitechvcgear.merchorders.com/retail_slash_employees__headwear__beanies_slash_fleece https://logitechvcgear.merchorders.com/retail_slash_employee...
• nahuel0x 4y ago
  Has a Trackpoint? No => ignore it.
  • amelius 4y ago
    Has a NumPad? Yes => ignore it.
    • frosted-flakes 4y ago
      This one is available without a number pad.
• neves 4y ago
  I thought TKL as the definitive way to go. Looks like Logitech disagrees
• jasoneckert 4y ago
  I just ordered the MX Mechanical Mini after reading this post. My purchase has nothing to do with the merits or limitations of the keyboard whatsoever. Like many others I work with (in software development), I'm just addicted to buying new keyboards. I do not understand why I do this, but my guitarist friends have the same problem with buying guitars.
  • ganoushoreilly 4y ago
    I would say keyboards are cheaper but ... i've seen $1k+ keyboards with people having display cases for dozens of them.
• rez9x 4y ago
  I have spent well over $1000 on mechanical keyboards over the last decade, which isn't much compared to some real hobbyists, but I feel I've got enough experience to have an opinion on things. Earlier this year I realized I like low profile, scissor switch keyboards better than expensive mechanical keyboards. I type faster on them and find them much more comfortable. I don't know what's wrong with me. I do know that I can't find a good low profile keyboard anywhere, because everyone is just making mechanical now.
• jzer0cool 4y ago
  @ 0:47s - Faces of 100x coder. @ 0:04 - 0:05 - Watch a 100x coder typing speed. @ 0:37 - 0:38s - Watch a 100x coder typing speed.
• hjkl0 4y ago
  Shocked it took them so long to have something like this
• skocznymroczny 4y ago
  Too bad it's not low profile switches. There aren't enough of those.
• StillBored 4y ago
  I don't understand why none of the big players have released an ergonomic mechanical keyboard. I've got a stash of MS natural keyboards I picked up on a closeout a couple years ago, and they are the ones I scatter around my home/office. But while the layout/ergonomics are decent they are like typing on a sponge. A year or two ago, I found cloudnine, which is almost exactly what I was looking for in an ergonomic keyboard (actually split) and as a bonus it uses cherry switches. It also has programmable macro keys, and a backlight, two features I don't tend to need/notice but probably attracts some users. I can't say its perfect, I was getting stuck modifier keys with one of the older firmware revisions, and the desktop app, allows some level of key layout changes, macro programming, and color selection. But in all cases its apparently developer cycle limited, because some obvious features are poorly thought out or missing (aka why can i change individual key colors but not the big knob color, or reprogram its functionality from the app instead having to use the function key modifier shortcuts to change its behavior).
• sharno 4y ago
  I really love Logitech's K380 keyboard. It's the perfect one for me: shallow travel, silent, nice space between keys, no numpad, cheap and very light with a bonus of connecting to multiple devices. PS. It's non mechanical
• cryptonector 4y ago
  I want a keyboard with the size and layout of the Roccat Arvo https://www.google.com/search?q=roccat+arvo+compact+gaming+keyboard&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=roccat+arvo+compact+gaming+k...
• stereoradonc 4y ago
  This is an honest admission from Logitech that their keyboards are universally "bad" and mechanical keyboards are now offered at every price point - good enough to hurt them. I'll give this a pass unless they offer a hot-swappable board.
• davisher 4y ago