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AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video]
- x87678r 6y agofrom the comments: >Shame that COVID-19s still here. Can't attend Intel's funeral.
- _sveq 6y agohttps://kensegall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/apple.toasted.jpg https://kensegall.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/apple.toast...
- buran77 6y agoThis looks very promising, with 19% IPC increase and keeping the power envelope. They're calling it "the fastest core on the market". And that's at $549 for 12 cores, $449 for 8 cores, and $299 for 6 cores. Off topic, it's incredible what a flat tone Mark Papermaster managed to use when saying "I couldn't be more excited to present...".
- modeless 6y agoSomething about the sound quality in this video makes him sound exactly like a text-to-speech system. It's uncanny. Single thread performance was the only caveat I cared about vs. Intel. Really tempted to build a new PC now with Zen 3 and Nvidia 3080. If they are actually in stock anywhere. I don't understand how Intel's stock price has held up in the face of their clear loss of their longstanding most important asset, the lead in single thread performance. I expect Apple to beat them soon as well, putting them in 3rd place.
- effie 6y agoStock market does not always follow marketing narratives. Single thread speed is important for gamers and high end desktop. Intel doesn't care that much about those segments, it is a small part of their business. Their money is in server CPUs and laptops, where they have and will maintain majority of the market.
- animationwill 6y ago>> Off topic, it's incredible what a flat tone Mark Papermaster managed to use when saying "I couldn't be more excited to present...". That's an awesome last name though!
- lhoff 6y agoInteresting points: ZEN3: - 19% IPC improvement - 8 Core CCX complex with unified L3 Cache (before 4 cores shared half the L3 Cache) - Still 7nm process Ryzen: - 631 points in single core cinebench for 5900X - 640 points in single core cinebench for 5950X - 26% performance increase in 1080p gaming compared to Ryzen 3000 - Models (Available November 5th): -5950X (16C 32T, 4.9Ghz / 3.4 Ghz, 105W TDP, 799$) -5900X (12C 24T, 4.8GHz / 3.7 GHz, 105W TDP, 549$) -5800X (8C 16T, 4.7 Ghz / 3.8GHz, 105W TDP, 449$) -5600X (6C 12T, 4.6GHz / 3.7 GHz, 65W TDP, 299$) Radeon: 6000 Series launch on October 28th
- vbezhenar 6y ago5950X base frequency is 3.4 Ghz according to anandtech.
- lhoff 6y agoThanks. Wasn't shown on the slides.
- greggyb 6y agoThat 5950X (and its predecessor) seem like voodoo with the core count, clock frequency, and TDP (yes, I know TDP is a flawed, flawed number - it's still impressive).
- bob1029 6y agoI second this reaction. Historically, clock speeds scaled inversely with the # of cores. Seems like the efficiency is overtaking other constraints at this point.
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- loeg 6y agoThe achievable all-core clock will inevitably scale inversely with # of cores, in practice. The advertised single core and all-core clocks are some combination of binning and pure marketing.
- teruakohatu 6y agoThe 5900X has claimed 26% improvement for gaming. This is huge. Intel is going to have to start shipping fridges with their next batch of CPUs.
- zamalek 6y agoYou joke, but you really can get phase-change cooling[1]. I'm eagerly awaiting the RDNA2 announcement, as I'm really hoping to complete my current build as my first red box (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). [1]: http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/14-phase-change http://www.ldcooling.com/shop/14-phase-change
- toast0 6y agoI think it was a reference to Intel's overclocking stunt. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-processor-5ghz-motherboard,37213.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-28-core-processor-5g... (best reference I could find quickly)
- bserge 6y agoJesus, those prices... yeah they're pretty compact, but if you do it for a desktop, you can do it for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price by getting a portable air conditioner or a mini fridge (new or used) and modifying it for cooling. Way higher BTU transfer, as well. There were a few of these DIY projects last time I checked, and they worked well. Downsides: big cooling unit right next to you, loud af unless you mod the fan, as well :D
- pedrocr 6y agoLinus Tech Tips did it with an aquarium cooler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtvEbD2MQo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMtvEbD2MQo It looks like quite a straightforward setup actually. But a custom water cooling loop is almost surely a better solution.
- bserge 6y agoInteresting idea! Though it seems to me a normal PC water cooler would be cheaper nowadays :D I watched their industrial fan experiment yesterday, that seems even easier... if you could put your PC in a separate room https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2G5vLGcQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM2G5vLGcQQ
- WaxProlix 6y agoCinebench R20 score of 631 is bonkers. Hopefully pricing stays nearly in line with the 3000 series. Very exciting for what's basically a same socket incremental update. Edit: 549 usd for the 5900X, 449 for the 5800X, 299 for the 5600X
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- brundolf 6y ago$299 for the 5600X
- koluna 6y agoAt this point, picking AMD for your CPU becomes such a no-brainer. Compounded by Intel’s security issues and all.
- listic 6y agoUnless you want an integrated video card in your high-end CPU.
- vbezhenar 6y agoECC support in AMD systems is strange. It's supported theoretically, but practically there are issues, one have to carefully pick motherboard and even then it's some kind of unsupported configuration. Intel sells cheap and fast Xeons with proper ECC support. I'm very interested in AMD CPUs and I hope that ECC story will improve, so I can buy some kind of workstation-branded motherboard and use fully supported ECC configuration.
- dragontamer 6y agoECC support is iffy at the consumer brands. Its a "we won't disable it, but we won't guarantee that it works" sort of deal. If you want verified ECC support, you need to buy the workstation chips and motherboards: Threadripper Pro or EPYCs.
- JackMcMack 6y agoECC is supported on the Pro series as well. My home server is running Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G (yay for integrated graphics) and Asrock B550M. I went through the effort of using qvl memory, but actually testing ECC is a bit more difficult. While ECC is supported & active, memory errors are sadly not reported to the OS. I remember seeing a forum post somewhere of somebody overclocking/undervolting the ram to force errors, but I can't seem to find it right now. There's a fine line between stable, stable with recovered errors, and unstable.
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- formerly_proven 6y ago5900X beats a 10900K by 100 points in Cinebench R20 Single-Thread. 100. Points. That's 20 % higher per-thread throughput. 20 % IPC increase, 20 % higher perf/W on the same process, effectively double the cache size, and reduced memory latency. Absolute insanity from AMD. I'm almost a little disappointed they didn't introduce a 5960X -- they could probably claim 2x-3x performance over the Intel part.
- hnracer 6y agoIntel is toast
- greggyb 6y ago5960X would be a Threadripper part (at least based on the releases of the 3000-series Ryzen desktop processors). Threadripper has typically lagged the Ryzen announcement. I think we can expect some insane TR parts soon.
- Teknoman117 6y agoThe fact that they made of point of supporting threadripper in their announcement gives me a certain level of confidence there will be Zen 3 thread rippers. I mainly say this because people were curious if the 3950X would mean the end of the threadripper line, which was of course later proven wrong when the 24, 32, and 64 core TR parts came out.
- teruakohatu 6y agoPricing is just a little disappointing. The 3800X launched at $399. The 5800X will be $449. Still good value though.
- jagger27 6y agoThey’re delivering smack down best in class performance and efficiency for the price it’s worth.
- whynotminot 6y agoThey frankly can afford to charge what they're worth now. No longer any caveats when comparing with Intel. Effectively, they charge what they want to now. They are the market leaders.
- bobcostas55 6y agoYeah, I was thinking of upgrading from my 3600 but the prices are pretty crazy. $180 for the 3600 vs $300 for the 5600X, for the same core count and a slight IPC improvement? You can get a 3700X with 2 more cores for that money! New generations of hardware are supposed to improve the price/perf ratio!
- jcheng 6y agoThat's comparing street prices for a CPU at the end of its sales cycle, with the MSRP for a next-gen CPU. Yes AMD raised prices, but the difference is $50 if you compare like for like (the MSRP for the 3600X when it launched was $250).
- aero-glide 6y agoIf you want to buy a processor right now, street price matters, not release price
- jcheng 6y agoIf you want to determine whether prices are “pretty crazy” or not then context matters.
- nakovet 6y agoAt least for the laptop market AMD seems to have been issues with distribution, manufacturing, I was looking the Lenovo website for some models and it's hard to find an AMD based one. Out of stock or not available. Feels like when the Nintendo Switch was first launched. Hopefully they will address that soon.
- qppo 6y agoSupply chains are highly disrupted right now for lots of laptop manufacturers, I was researching laptops for a friend and it seems like many high end models (or really any mid/low volume SKU) are out of production temporarily.
- rozab 6y agoI think it's more a case of demand than production, especially for enterprise-focused laptops like Lenovo's
- toast0 6y agoI don't know if it's higher than normal demand or lower than normal supply, but a lot of the laptop market has been low on stock since summer (if not sooner). Of course, AMD is supply constrained, TSMC fabs are a bottleneck and AMD isn't the only customer that can easily sell every chip that comes off the fab.
- post_break 6y agoCustom build amd thinkpads had months backlog, but some of the crappy prebuilt spec ones were ship next day.
- ds 6y agoThis. If they cant get it under control, it wont effect intel as much as you think. Some say its yield issues, but who knows. 4900HS laptops are selling out like crazy and not keeping up with demand- New laptops arent using the chips because of lack of inventory. They are absoultely beasts though. The zephyrus g14 absolutely dominates on performance + battery life.
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- qppo 6y agoSo the benchmarks are insane, always trust but verify there. I only caught the tail end but what would really let me buy in to Team Red is a competitor to VTune and IPP.
- kube-system 6y agoNow get OEMs to put one in a higher-tier laptop with a decent keyboard and socketed RAM and you can take my money.
- xwdv 6y agoWow, we're entering a new age now where AMD is the processor of choice by default.
- nick_ 6y agoUhh, what happened to the 4000-series desktop CPUs?
- searchableguy 6y agoNumber 4 is considered an omen in china. Probably changed it due to marketing reasons. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology
- CraftThatBlock 6y agoThey skipped 4000 because of their mobile/APU series, which always used +1000 in the model number: - Zen 2 desktop: 3000 - Zen 2 mobile/APU: 4000 This way, Zen 3 will all be on 5000
- mattashii 6y agoThey probably wanted to fix the confusion about what type of core was fitted into each processor, as the 3000-series desktop processors contain Zen 2 for the parts without iGPU, but use Zen 1+ for the parts with iGPU. 4000-series currently is only parts with iGPU and Zen 2, so they have comparable performance to the 3000-series desktop processors without iGPU. So, I expect that iGPU-enabled parts which contain Zen 3 will also be branded as 5000-series CPUs.
- awslattery 6y agoCan't wait for Steve to validate some of these claims, but was still hoping the October street date rumor was real.
- mrkwse 6y agoRelease is 5 November
- ckastner 6y agoI was somewhat taken aback by this complete focus on gaming. Gaming this, gaming that, FPS this and that. Buying a 3900X was one of the best purchases I ever made, but from the video, as a non-gamer, it's not entirely clear to me why I should consider upgrading to the 5900X. A non-gaming benchmark would have been helpful. Perhaps I just misunderstood the target demographic of the Ryzen 9, and maybe what I'm thinking of (and should be looking at) is Threadripper after all.
- pier25 6y ago> A non-gaming benchmark would have been helpful. Like Cinebench?
- ckastner 6y agoFair enough, on that point.
- azeirah 6y agoI personally love their cpu's for development, can run a solid IDE, have 3 browsers open, compile huge programs with many threads, run 40 docker containers next to each other, have discord, YouTube, Thunderbird etc.. open And it keeps running smoothly! I don't know what the market share of developers is vs gamers :x
- skrtskrt 6y ago40 docker containers?? My fully spec-d out Macbook Pro could only dream of running 8 without a hiccup
- nine_k 6y agoI only hope that the wonderful improvements in AMD chips are not made possible by something as clever as Intel's 10 years ago, which ended up exploitable in interesting ways.
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- djsumdog 6y agoWhen is Intel's next chip announcement? Is there anything in the pipes to make them more competitive with home enthusiasts again? My main Linux box and NAS run Ryzen and I'm a fan, but I don't want to see competition leave the market. I was hoping Intel would finally release stand-alone workstation graphics cards.
- vbezhenar 6y agoThey promised 2021 Q1. Not sure about announcement date. I think that they won't be competitive until 7nm and that won't happen anytime soon.
- leetcrew 6y agoimo, that was just a flailing attempt to spoil the zen 3 launch. the fact that they didn't even give some vague details on performance in the rocket lake announcement is telling. my guess is they don't currently have a path to a competitive product in Q1, or they would have said so.
- warrenm 6y agoIntel's fabled "tick-tock" releases haven't been interesting in what...a decade or more?
- distances 6y agoIntel hasn't been doing ticks in years. I haven't kept track, but it's been now more like tick-tock-tock-tock-tock-tock.
- emddudley 6y agoIntel's next move is the 11th Gen Rocket Lake, set for Q1 2021. Doesn't seem very compelling to me. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16145/intel-confirms-rocket-lake-on-desktop-for-q1-2021-with-pcie-40 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16145/intel-confirms-rocket-l...
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- ebbflowgo 6y agoAdd to calendar / reminders Radeon 6000 BIG NAVI - Oct 28 https://www.usehappen.com/events/89753512 https://www.usehappen.com/events/89753512 Ryzen 5000 on shelf - Nov 5 https://www.usehappen.com/events/20853465 https://www.usehappen.com/events/20853465
- whatch 6y agoThanks for sharing both the website and specific events!
- JS62 6y agoTime to say 'AMD Inside'
- ksec 6y agoThis is one of those Shut up and Take my Money Product announcement. ~20% Increase in IPC, ~10% Increase in Boost Clock Speed. It doesn't matter how Intel spin it, single thread performance will no longer be an Intel only selling point. 32MB L3 Cache is going to be very useful for certain types of Application. Some of these were rumoured for quite some time. But having it confirmed is a completely different matter. And the pricing is still very good compared to what we used to get from Intel. My only concern is stock availability. And not just at launch but over its life time. AMD has been very conservative with their production estimate. ( Again It is not TSMC's fault ) It wasn't long ago they were on the verge of bankruptcy, so it is understandable but at the same time I wish they took a little more risk. It is also interesting there is no mention of EPYC 3. I am quite concern about their lack of progress in the Enterprise / Server segment.
- old-gregg 6y agoIsn't this how it's always been? New tech shows up in enthusiast/consumer segment first, bugs are ironed out, manufacturing ramps up & yields go up, then new server parts are announced? Besides, isn't EPYC2 the best server CPU already? There's no time pressure on AMD, they're comfortably in the lead.
- wahern 6y agoRegular EPYC CPUs have too high a TDP for smaller server installations, such as so-called edge servers. EPYC Embedded is still stuck on Zen 1. Intel hasn't upgraded their comparable line of mid-range server CPUs (e.g. Xeon D line), either, but AMD won't win on performance alone. Intel has a huge SKU lineup, much more volume, and a much richer vendor and platform ecosystem. If the vendor demand isn't there to push AMD on EPYC Embedded, Ryzen Emedded, and other market segments, AMD should build demand, otherwise they'll just recapitulate their rise & fall during the 2000s.
- xigency 6y agoCloudflare recently announced that they would be building out some data centers with EPYC CPUs. Do you believe that the situation has changed since February? They did a pretty exhaustive analysis [0] of price, performance, and power where they saw an advantage in switching away from Intel for that generation at least. If the existing server hardware is already in a decent spot, then maybe they need to spend more resources on sales rather than making changes to keep it cutting edge. [0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/an-epyc-trip-to-rome-amd-is-cloudflares-10th-generation-edge-server-cpu/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/an-epyc-trip-to-rome-amd-is-clou...
- simfoo 6y agoOh man, really regretting paying 800€ for the 3950X in January now
- bennysonething 6y agoDo intel still out perform AMD on emulation? I'm upgrading my pc under my tv, I find most of the games I play now are on emulators. Especially great playing old PS1 games that I never played the first time round, which all the smoothing etc. I keep hearing IPC is higher on intel? But I guess this latest news means ryzen will out perform on IPC too?
- Grazester 6y agoEmulating a PS1 can be done well on a PC from 2000. The Sega Dreamcast emulated select PS1 games with resolution upscaling and texture filtering in 1999/2000. You would only need a beefy processor if you are emulating a PS3 or using one of those insane near 100% system SNES emulators with Run-ahead
- bennysonething 6y agoYeah, I'm currently running a 8200 intel. But I'd like to be able to emulate PS2, gamecube, Dreamcast and wii. I'll need a decent graphics card too.
- proverbialbunny 6y agoIn theory these new CPUs should give around a 20-25% fps increase as long as you're not bottle necking your cpu with an under powered graphics card.
- bennysonething 6y agoHi, 20 to 25 percent compared to current gen ryzens?
- proverbialbunny 6y agoYes.
- EasyTiger_ 6y agoSingle-core performance always held me back from AMD. Will wait to see more benchmarks but this looks extremely promising.
- andy_ppp 6y agoIf you want to know what changed to get 20% performance increase - everything basically - but they focus on the 8 cores on a die can now access 32mb L3 cache directly rather than two sets of 4 cores on a die accessing 2 x 16mb L3 cache. Here is the point in the video about IPC improvements: https://youtu.be/iuiO6rqYV4o?t=406 https://youtu.be/iuiO6rqYV4o?t=406
- NikolaeVarius 6y agoNo 5700 w/8 cores price point? Annoying
- burnte 6y agoThe FPS improvements on some of those games are huge, makes me think that they've also improved memory transfer efficiency as well as IPC improvements.
- CyberDildonics 6y agoWhat do you mean by "memory transfer efficiency"?
- Filligree 6y agoZen has traditionally been extremely hungry for memory bandwidth. Memory latency is bad, so processors prefetch whatever they can, but they sometimes get it wrong and fetch data that doesn't get used. This allows you to give an efficiency rating, and Intel is better here. Also means single channel Zen is a bad idea, but that doesn't stop laptop manufacturers from doing it.
- CyberDildonics 6y agoI haven't ever seen that measured or heard of that hurting memory bandwidth, do you have a link? Most programs are not memory bandwidth constrained because they aren't optimized well and are bottlenecked on memory latency. Prefetching is going to be wasted much more on programs that are hopping around in memory, which will be constrained by memory latency and far from having memory bandwidth problems. Programs that run through memory linearly with short or no branches will be using all the prefetched memory.
- cameron_b 6y agomemory bandwidth here being relative, because part of the architecture is putting a pile more cores behind a memory controller than before. Relative to previous architectures, the cores have to wait in line for more other cores if they need to grab something not in cache
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- shusson 6y agoI wonder how they came up with 19%. Surely they could nudge it up to 20% and no one would notice. These are synthetic tests after all right?
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- vikramkr 6y ago19 sounds more "real" since it isn't a round number
- OkGoDoIt 6y agoAt first impression, a claimed 19% improvement feels more trustworthy, more data-driven, rather than a 20% which might be written off as marketing fluff.
- neogodless 6y ago> The +19% value that AMD is using is taken from internal testing, using the geometric mean of 25 benchmarks involving a mixture of real-world and synthetic. This is from the article. So yes, some synthetic tests, and some "real-world" benchmarks.
- satisfaction 6y agoNo news on Threadripper?
- mcraiha 6y ago"This will be the only processor (at launch) with a 65 W TDP" that is shame. The 3900 got good reviews, but it is very hard to buy, while 3900x is available. So I assume same will happen with 5900.
- OkGoDoIt 6y agoThey say lower-TDP processor should be available within six months. I think that makes sense, AMD wants to make the marketing splash with really nice high numbers at launch.
- pier25 6y agoYou mean like a 5700X ?
- omgwtfbyobbq 6y agoI wonder if the lower-TDP versions are whatever didn't make the high performance cut with part of the die disabled. If that's the case they would have to wait a certain amount of time to offer them.
- CyberDildonics 6y agoIn many bios setting you can adjust the dynamic overclocking with course and easy or more nuanced settings to give you what you want. Many times a lot of the power and heat comes from high dynamic overclocking which uses a disproportionate amount of power.
- loeg 6y agoYou can also underclock the high end parts by lowering the voltage and/or thermal limits that govern the behavior of CPB/XFR/PBO (the CPU's internal clock-setting mechanism(s) at P0). That might correspond more directly with the benefits associated with a 65W SKU without hampering performance more than necessary.
- loeg 6y ago"At launch." They're rolling out the highest margin SKUs first, the rest of the lineup will fill out after Nov 5.
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- Thaxll 6y agoZen3 performance looks really good, however the GPU ones ... I think it's going to be pretty bad compare to the RTX 30xx.
- ebg13 6y ago> however the GPU ones ... I think it's going to be pretty bad compare to the RTX 30xx. Their teaser numbers seemed to show par performance at 4k against the 3080.
- Bayart 6y agoTheir GPU numbers show parity with the 3080, which is what everybody expected. They probably don't have their final lineup yet, much less pricing.
- gjsman-1000 6y agoWhat is a little disappointing is the big increase in MSRP. Then again, it's a pandemic and AMD is the leader in almost everything, so it is somewhat justified. However, Ryzen 3000 will still be around for the more bang-buck focused builders.
- Finnucane 6y agoI was literally about to order a new pc with a 3900. So do I get that or wait for this? Will it be sold out for months?
- bob1029 6y agoYou could get the 3900 today and upgrade to the 5000 series after the fact. Socket compatible.
- boardwaalk 6y agoBut, don’t waste money on a 3900 you’re going to replace. The 3300x and 3600 are really good placeholder options (I have the 3600 for this purpose).
- Finnucane 6y agoThat actually seems like a reasonable idea--get the cheaper cpu now, which would still be a big boost over my old system, then swap later when supplies allow.
- myself248 6y agoThat's what I did last year, with a 3200G. It's a functional placeholder for now, still a significant bump over what it replaced, but only temporary. My plan is to wait for Socket AM5 to come out, and get the last-best AM4 offering to stuff into my existing motherboard. That may be complicated by BIOS and chipset support (which effectively means a socket-generation-increment even if the physical connector is the same), but we'll see how far my B450 can take me. And at the time, I'll be adding a discrete GPU, since I'll surely be going to a non-APU chip.
- buzzerbetrayed 6y agoYou could return your brand new 3900x and borrow your friends 2600x while you wait for the new 5900x. If this sounds oddly specific, it's because it is exactly what I am doing. Returned the 5900X a couple months ago while I wait. Obviously this isn't a serious suggestion as I know most people don't happen to have a friend with a spare 2600x.
- wiremine 6y agoI don't follow the chip world closely... I see a number of comments about how this compares to intel, but is there a good unbiased summary that compares the current roadmaps for Intel and AMD?
- SteveNuts 6y agoIntel's Roadmap: \ AMD's Roadmap: /
- tgb 6y agoThey make this sound like a large change to the fundamental design of these chips. That gets me wondering: how do they test redesigns during development? I assume it's very hard to predict the performance impact of many changes. How often are they manufacturing test chips to measure performance? How much does that cost to do? Can you realistically simulate performance characteristics?
- wmf 6y agoIt's too expensive to fab test chips so it's all done using cycle-accurate simulation software like SimpleScalar or gem5 and later using FPGA-based emulation like Palladium/ZeBu.
- universal_sinc 6y agoThey way modern CPU design works is that the development team maintains a cycle-accurate software model of the CPU. Changes can be made to the pipeline and memory system, those changes simulated against a real workload, and results reported without ever laying a single transistor. These models are part of the secret sauce to figuring out how to eek out 19% IPC. Yes the simulations are slow. But you can get a lot of value out of 50k or 100k simulated clock cycles.
- vtail 6y agoYou can run emulations. When I was at NVIDIA almost 10 years ago, they were number 1 user of electricity in Santa Clara, by a big margin, because of their server farm that was used to emulate chips.
- coopierez 6y agoSimulations, not emulations!
- nightowl_games 6y agoIn 2017 I decided to build a gaming PC. I had been out of the PC Gaming world for a while, so I watched some youtubers to see what I should buy. Ryzen first gen had just come out, and Linus Tech Tips was pretty pro AMD. Seemed pretty optimistic. I bought a Ryzen 1700, and checked the AMD stock price. It was ~$10. I told all my friends to buy AMD stock. I had never purchased stocks before, but I was pretty sure that AMD was going to go up. I bought $500 worth of AMD stock at $12. (it took a few months for me to get around to buying it) As 2018 went on, financial market started to pay attention to AMD. People were calling it a buy at ~30$. I was pretty sure that everyone else had missed the boat and that I was in the money solely because of Linus Tech Tips. Now here we are, AMD at $85. Thanks Linus.
- bryanlarsen 6y agoI bought 3dfx stock in the late nineties for a similar reason. It went to zero. My recommendation would be to sell some of your stock to lock in a little bit of profit and then you can let the rest ride and it'll affect you less emotionally.
- distances 6y agoSame for me, not 3dfx but stock losses affecting me much more than wins. So I do mostly just index funds now to remove the buy/sell stress.
- p1necone 6y agoIt's such a good feeling when something gains enough for you to be able to sell back your initial investment entirely and still have a decent amount.
- throw51319 6y agoYou should've put more in. 500 is nothing
- nightowl_games 6y agoI know. It was my first stock purchase so I only put in what I was willing to lose.
- throwawaysea 6y agoCan someone please explain the branding differences between Zen, Ryzen, and Threadripper? Keeping up with all this is exhausting and confusing.
- neogodless 6y agoZen is not a brand. It's a codename for the evolution of their CPU architecture. Zen, Zen+, Zen 2 and Zen 3 are the generations of CPU architecture. Ryzen is the consumer brand of CPUs. Geared towards anyone who doesn't specifically need Threadripper. Threadripper is the enthusiast/workstation brand of (rather) high core count CPUs. If you run software that uses a lot of cores, you should know whether this is the right line of CPUs for you.
- honkycat 6y agoWhat I am really hoping for out of the next-gen AMD offering is value. GPUs are so insanely expensive anymore, it is so frustrating to want to upgrade my 6 year old 970 GTX and be unable to do a meaningful upgrade without spending over $400. Edit: 8 year old -> 6 year old Edit: Ryzen 5000 line -> next-gen AMD offering
- dragontamer 6y ago> GPUs are so insanely expensive anymore, it is so frustrating to want to upgrade my 6 year old 970 GTX and be unable to do a meaningful upgrade without spending over $400. A $150 to $200 GTX 1660 Super or Radeon 5500 XT will be much, much, MUCH faster than a GTX 970. EDIT: Yeah, NVidia and AMD focuses on selling their $500 or $700 or $1500 GPUs. But every generation, they eventually release a $200 GPU with the same tech (just cut down and slower). Its less exciting, but that's all most people need.
- honkycat 6y agoGPU Benchmark puts the 1660 Super at +35% benchmark speeds, and the 5500xt at 12%. I don't really see the point in upgrading for that level of improvement when I can spend a bit more and get a much more significant upgrade.
- dragontamer 6y agoIndeed. Its a sliding scale from $150 all the way up to $700. (Then a jump to the 3090). Performance scales with price very well in the $150 -> $750 range, you can pick pretty much whatever performance suits your budget. (Especially as the "last gen" models drop in price to the levels associated with their performance)
- neogodless 6y agoI'm a little confused. The Ryzen 5000 line is CPUs. The GPUs being announced on October 28th will be Radeon 6000s. But maybe I'm just misunderstanding you a bit!
- lliamander 6y agoWho here uses their own computer for work? If you work for an employer, what's the agreement like that allows you to do that?
- jeffbee 6y agoI work remotely at Goldman Sachs and it is 100% BYOD.
- lliamander 6y agoInteresting! Follow up questions: - Are there any constraints or requirements on the kind of device, software installed, etc.? E.g. using a VPN, antivirus. - Do you use a separate work and personal accounts? - laptop or desktop? - how does your employer feel about personal projects? Thanks!
- jeffbee 6y agoAccessing anything at work requires Citrix in to a windows VM that's racked up in a dark datacenter somewhere. What device anyone uses to accomplish this is their own business. No VPN or AV, no MDM or any of that nonsense. I personally use a Pixelbook Go with an external monitor for this purpose. Really anything will do the job.
- lliamander 6y agoAh, so actually development is done on a virtual desktop. Makes sense. Currently, I do most of my work locally on a work issued laptop (and external monitor) with some services offloaded to AWS. I wouldn't mind building a desktop PC for fun, but as I don't really do high-end gaming, I couldn't see justifying the expense unless I was able to do work on it as well. I'd of course have to get employer sign-off, but I'm just trying to figure out what that kind of agreement might look like.
- sosodev 6y agoI use my own computer because my company just doesn't have any rules against it afaik. I just installed a VPN client that's compatible with their server.
- CorpOverreach 6y agoNow if only I could acquire an RTX 3080 to pair with it :(
- foota 6y agoWait a couple weeks and you can snag a navi along with it
- iaml 6y agoWhich is a smart choice anyway, because if navi's good nvidia might announce ti versions or price cuts.
- cptskippy 6y agoI've been reading a lot of comments everywhere about disappointment with Big Navi but your comment exemplifies why Big Navi matters even if it's not King.
- foota 6y agoIt could be, but the verdicts out till it lands. My guess is cheaper and near 3080 performance, but it could go either way. Likely cheaper regardless just based on history though.
- heelix 6y agoPrice cuts? I've not found a single 3080 in store or online yet. There was a 200 person queue for the 12 available at microcenter launch day.
- MrBuddyCasino 6y agoThere won‘t be any price cuts this year, and probably until mid 2021, as TSMC capacity is fully booked until then. Samsung was a stop-gap solution for Nvidia, they gambled for better prices and lost.
- brundolf 6y agoI'm bracing myself for supply shortages come November, given global events combined with what will no doubt be an insane amount of demand
- all_blue_chucks 6y agoGlad they skipped the 4000-series branding. Now we can look forward to next year's release of the 5700XT CPU to pair with the current 5700XT GPU.
- piinbinary 6y agoIt sounds like "Big Navi" may roughly match RTX 2000-series performance, but not quite meet RTX 3000-series performance (which is better than I was expecting).
- dzonga 6y agowhen are the AMD APU's going to be out ? those seem like a killer deal for cpu | gpu combo. casual gamin g + dev work.
- Bayart 6y agoProbably second half of 2021. They'll get the Threadripper and non-X desktop CPUs out of the door first. The Zen2 APUs and laptop chips came out a few months ago, practically a year after Zen2 launched.
- Causality1 6y agoI'm very excited for this. The only applications I run where I really hurt for extra CPU performance are game emulators, and most of those are heavily constrained by single-core performance.
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- marcosscriven 6y agoWhat I’d love to see is an 8-core APU, for a powerful Linux desktop that doesn’t need especially good graphics.
- headmelted 6y agoHoping the PS5 digital edition becomes a perfect Linux workstation with an early days exploit.
- gruez 6y agoRyzen 7 4700G fits your build, but it's zen2.
- marcosscriven 6y agoSounds perfect, but read they’re OEM only.
- Aardwolf 6y agoThey mention "wider issue in float and int engines" What does that mean? wider AVX?
- Unsimplified 6y agoAMD keeping the same standard TDPs at 105W and 65W was such a good design decision. Clear contrast to Samsung's oft-criticized MLC to TLC move with their 980 Pro. People care about both absolute TDP and power efficiency.
- dang 6y agoThe anandtech article is here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-3-on-nov-5th-19-ipc-claims-best-gaming-cpu https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-... (via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720711 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720711, which we've merged hither)
- donor20 6y agoWhat I love is that these are often drop in replacements. How has AMD gotten AM4 to last so long as a form factor? Intel just burns through socket designs it feels like by comparison.
- chrismorgan 6y agoWhen the 3800X and 3900X came out, they included coolers. Then the 3800XT and 3800XT bumped the clock speed by around 2%, increased the price by 15–18% (coming in at the prices the X models had been at release, but said X models had come down), and removed the cooler, which effectively bumped the price by, I dunno, maybe another 5% to get equivalent coolers—if you can even get cheap coolers for them. Now the 5800X and 5900X are coolerless too. Any idea why they seem to have changed their philosophy here? I’ve always thought having a cooler was very convenient, as on paper the provided cooler seemed to be quite good enough—though to be sure there’s a reason why the 3950X and up don’t include a cooler (“cooler not included, liquid cooling recommended”).
- sedatk 6y agoStock coolers have never been popular among who build their own PCs. They were considered mediocre at best. Since people wouldn't care whether they were in the package or not, removing them might have looked like an easy way to increase profit margins. Removing the cooler from their production cycle might have also increased their production throughput.
- roguas 6y agoPeople buy or have already nongeneric coolers for this types of cpu. Almost always.
- The_Colonel 6y agoIncluding cooler makes sense for low end + mid range, but not really for high end where people will most probably want to use a specific cooler.
- intricatedetail 6y agoWhy they go with gaming CPU first when it doesn't make much difference if cpu is 6% faster? I was hoping to see a product I could use in a workstation e.g a 32 core one that would have single core speed better than Intel. From that perspective the launch feels dissapointning. I've been needlessly holding money as I need a new CPU. I will have to go with a top Intel one. I'll try AMD next year maybe.
- pdimitar 6y agoWhat's stopping you from getting a second-hand Threadripper 1950x or 2950x? They are extremely good workstation CPUs to this day.
- tmd83 6y agoA long time ago perhaps up until even Phenom2 processor from AMD I used to hear people saying AMD systems felt snappier even though they weren't benchmarking as good. Does anyone have a solid explanation was it just rumours, fanboyism or there was something about the system. I just thought about context switch or syscall overhead was that ever meaningfully different.
- erulabs 6y agoWay back in the day particularly the Athelon / Applebread days and chips had the first on-die memory controller for consumer processors. While they had fairly significantly lower IPC than some Pentiums (remember the Pentium D egg cooker?), they had much better memory latency. Hard to prove anything - but some people claim they were quicker
- usainzg 6y agoYEEEEESSSSSS
- jules 6y agoHow it the TDP number determined? How can the 8 core CPU be 105W and the 16 core CPU be 105W too? Why isn't the maximum power draw of 16 cores roughly double the power draw of 8 cores?
- DenseComet 6y agoGamersNexus has a pretty good article on TDP [1]. It can be summarized as being a mostly marketing number that is useful in a few specific ways. This is applicable to both AMD and Intel. [1] https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3525-amd-ryzen-tdp-explained-deep-dive-cooler-manufacturer-opinions https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3525-amd-ryzen-tdp-explai...
- satai 6y agoRemember, remember, the fifth of November.
- twblalock 6y ago~20% more performance for about ~50% more price, based on what the 3000 series is selling for. Maybe the 3000 series is a better deal. The price increases really make Zen 3 less compelling.
- jug 6y agoWith the two coinciding like this for 2021, I feel like you'll get a ton of gaming bang per buck with a budget CPU from the Zen 3 series and a budget graphics card from Nvidia's 30 series or maybe also AMD's counterpart. Exciting times with major leaps on both fronts.
- Roritharr 6y agoI've just upgraded my Notebook to an HP EliteBook 835 G7, which is a 13" Notebook with a Ryzen 7 4750U. I've decked it out with 64GB Ram and a 2TB SSD. 8 Cores, 16 threads, boosting to 4,1ghz, 3 outputs capable of 4k 60hz, (2* dp over usb-c, 1 hdmi 2.0), 2 full size USB A Ports... and a lot more goodies all packed in a very supremely built chassis. I couldn't want for more, (ok Thunderbolt, but that's not as valuable as everything else). I'm VERY happy with it's performance and couldn't be more grateful that AMD is providing much needed competition in the CPU market, I wouldn't have gotten a machine this powerful at this size otherwise. So yeah, i'll upgrade my Desktop to Ryzen 5950 once I get the opportunity, even if it's just to hold more fire below Intel's feet.
- cashewchoo 6y agoWhere did you buy it from? I'm in the market for a 13" laptop with 32GB of ram and a ryzen CPU, with no hardware that's not Linux-friendly. So this sounds like a close fit. But I can't even find the Elitebook 835 on HP's website, or on Amazon.
- pedrocr 6y agoSomething that fits that description as well is the Lenovo X13/T14/T14s https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_X13_Gen_1_AMD/ThinkPad_X13_Gen_1_AMD_Spec.PDF https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_X... https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_1_AMD/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_1_AMD_Spec.PDF https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T... https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T14s_Gen_1_AMD/ThinkPad_T14s_Gen_1_AMD_Spec.PDF https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T... What I've yet to find is anything similar that also has a more than a 1080p screen. Frustratingly the Lenovo T14/T14s in Intel spec does have a 4K screen.
- rowanG077 6y agoIt's so frustrating. I would love a 13 inch Ryzen laptop. But all their screens suck in some way.
- bluecalm 6y agoI am waiting for my 3970x to arrive next week (it was a long wait to get a GPU and 256gb of RAM due to shortages) and I am already thinking that maybe I should have waited just a bit longer. That is after not upgrading my Ivy Bridge quad for about 7 years due to lackluster offerings from Intel. It's very exciting these days thanks to AMD!
- tus88 6y agoNo DDR5 supprot. Ill be skipping this one.
- jonplackett 6y agoAnd Intel's share price is.... still totally fine. Wait, WFT?
- yakz 6y agoAMD has produced a "better" CPU before, it didn't result in them taking over the market for CPUs.
- kadoban 6y agoTheir market share is already rising. They're not going to "take over", there's too much inertia everywhere for that (and there's business and tech considerations beyond raw performance), but the main reason Intel's stock didn't take a hit is that this was expected.
- x87678r 6y agoIntel is fighting more than just AMD though. Apple ARM chips in MacBooks, Graviton processors in AWS, ARM Chromebooks and gaming computers/consoles just going pure Nvidia/Radeon - not a lot of room for Intel.
- vel0city 6y agoIntel historically hasn't been too big in the console gaming market, at least CPU-wise. Previous generations we've got players like IBM making the chips for the Xbox 360, PS3, and GameCube. AMD made the CPUs on the Xbox One and Playstation 4, along with the upcoming Xbox Series X and Playstation 5. The only somewhat modern game console I can recall with any Intel Inside was the original Xbox, with what was essentially a Pentium III Coppermine CPU. Other than that, they haven't really been a player in console gaming for nearly twenty years. They will really begin to feel the pinch from these latest Ryzen CPUs in the desktop gaming market. AMD had definitely been eating more and more of the value market, but Intel had still been holding the IPC/clock rate wins so it often had a little bit of an edge over AMD for those who don't mind to spend a little premium to get the highest framerates. This launch may make this no longer be true.
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- glandium 6y agoPSA: If you're on the market for a new CPU, and have seen in the past that rr (https://rr-project.org/ https://rr-project.org/) didn't support Ryzen, you can stop worrying about it: Support for Ryzen has recently landed. It's not in a release yet, but it's on the master branch.
- fomine3 6y agoTada for aligning product number. Previously, Ryzen APU 4000 has Ryzen 3000 equivalent core, 3000 = 2000, 2000 = 1000. Now 5000 = 5000 expected.
- josmala 6y agoJust that new and shiny is here doesn't mean the old system became slower. The compilation improvement of 9%, for me it means that most important thing didn't get significantly faster. Unless the Phoronix tests on compiling Apache show better results than AMD:s GCC compilation. (Apache scales badly with threads so, I use that as rough approximation of making change in a file or two and then recompiling only what's affected by the change.) Using 4k 60hz tv as monitor means CPU gaming performance improvement doesn't matter for 99% of titles as it is limited by either the Screen or GPU. On the other hand people who have older CPU:s this is really nice increment in addition to previous improvements. A single generation improvement doesn't feel large enough to really matter. Except for professional Gamers with ultra fast GPU:s and monitors, trying to compete for prizes.
- emodendroket 6y agoWhile this is an area a bit outside my expertise it looks like a slam dunk for AMD to me.
- ChuckMcM 6y agoThe Threadripper version of this series is going to be pretty insane I imagine. It is really nice to have something lighting a fire under Intel's feet to drive advances here.
- acvny 6y agohalf an hour ad. no thanks