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George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

• mimixco 6y ago
  I know politics isn't the usual HN topic, but I think this goes beyond politics at this point. Until I saw this list, I had no idea how out of control this situation has gotten here. I'm saddened for my country and hope that this can be a turning point for all of us.
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  • echo419 6y ago
    One of the threads that was eye-opening for me was Greg Doucette's (a lawyer in North Carolina among other things) ongoing Twitter thread with Pics/Video of police brutality as it relates to peaceful protesters/bystanders. It's currently at 500+ instances of police brutality. https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272306977872453634 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272306977872453634
    • cbsmith 6y ago
      There's a tab in the spreadsheet just from that thread.
      • echo419 6y ago
        Thanks for pointing that out! Obviously I should have read the spreadsheet/link beforehand, but I hope linking the Twitter thread here directly also helped some people as well.
    • MisterBastahrd 6y ago
      Those 500+ incidents are since May 30.
      • cbsmith 6y ago
        ...and then there's the other tabs.
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  • ars 6y ago
    Just be a bit cautious with lists like this: Last time lists like this were posted, most of the links were false accusations, or just someone claiming something, with no way to know the truth. (I spent some time trying to verify until I realized there were far more false accusations than true, and then I give it up as pointless.) Of course even one instance of brutality is too much, but take numbers like this which a huge grain of salt.
    • boomboomsubban 6y ago
      Similarly, don't view every list as likely full of false accusations because one you checked was full of false accusations. This one seems meticulously crafted.
    • dylan604 6y ago
      If you browse the list and feel that it is worth sounding an alarm for being fake, then feel free to do that. I don't think that's what you are doing though, and just sounding a Chicken Little alarm. The list is pretty chilling with video evidence. Really hard to fake this stuff.
    • mimixco 6y ago
      These are nearly all videos which are pretty self-explanatory (and horrifying).
      • encom 6y ago
        I'm not arguing for or against the list being fake, but just because there's a video doesn't mean it's real or relevant. For example, the other day there was a video being posted around of alleged police brutality, where an officer was using force to arrest some woman. The video was 1) from 2018 2) conveniently trimmed to exclude the first part where the woman was resisting arrest. There are plenty of people trying to push a narrative right now, so just be very critical of the information presented to you. Source: https://downtownbellevue.com/2020/06/05/video-surfaces-bellevue-police-officer-placing-woman-into-chokehold/ https://downtownbellevue.com/2020/06/05/video-surfaces-belle...
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  • bufferoverflow 6y ago
    Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. I'm not saying the police doesn't do wrong, they absolutely do. We have examples of rapes, unjustified murders and beatings, entrapment. They are extremely rare. I think last year the police in the US killed 9 unarmed black men and 21 unarmed white men.
    • kingofpandora 6y ago
      > Is it out of control though? The police has 700K members in the US. Millions of daily interactions with people of all kinds. All you could find is 400 cases from ALL the years. And I guess the claim is brutality wasn't justified in every single case. In reality there are not 400 cases on that list, and in many cases the violence was justified. 400 ... where there are videos. We know that until a video emerges these get swept under the rug, so I'm willing to bet that there are a fair few more than 400 examples of police brutality.
      • bufferoverflow 6y ago
        I agree that there are more than 400, we know that just by the number of people getting shot. Now, how many are unjustified? That's the important question.
        • chrisco255 6y ago
          https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... just under 1000 police involved shootings each year. Can't find the source, but of these only about 47 were un-armed and most of those involved protecting someone else from a physical attack.
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  • Aloha 6y ago
    I believe strongly that George Floyds death and the reactions thereafter are to a majority of the nation, the same as the 16th Street Church Bombing was in 1963, its a turning point in making people aware of the real costs of our problems with policing. The fact is, I'm a white dude in my mid-30's, I make a tech salary, and I'm afraid of the police, because an officer with a hair up somewhere could ruin my life for a period of time, if not for good.
    • newguy1234 6y ago
      Same here. When I see police, I just think, don't go near them or bother them at all. I actively avoid police if I can unless there are a bunch of other people around (concert, sporting event etc.). The fear I think is more along the lines that police can detain you, arrest you and so on. So I just figure, why chance it? I optimize for lowest risk and I view police as an unnecessary risk.
• p1necone 6y ago
  It would be good to stick these videos somewhere where they can't be taken down.
  • dylan604 6y ago
    Suggestions? It seems like anyone that is able to provide a service to host video would be just as likely to remove them for the same pressure. P2P torrent with enough people seeding them to make it impossible to remove them is the only thing that comes to mind.
    • p1necone 6y ago
      Yeah I was thinking a torrent too - seems like the only way to guarantee it stays up.
      • Melting_Harps 6y ago
        > Yeah I was thinking a torrent too - seems like the only way to guarantee it stays up. I'm up for helping, we did the same thing during HKs police brutality videos, please consider seeding this as well; let me know how I can help. https://torrentz2.eu/9b85dd223c8f92c923f516ed77bbdfcb770f4dd8 https://torrentz2.eu/9b85dd223c8f92c923f516ed77bbdfcb770f4dd... Oh, also worth noting the HKPF/PLA just used the same knee-to-neck choke hold on an unarmed female protestor during the 1 year Anniversary protests on June 12th [1]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxDKfxFrEuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxDKfxFrEuY
    • justinclift 6y ago
      You could probably use an .onion site (or multiple of) as a backup or reference approach too, to retain anonymity.
  • Corrado 6y ago
    This seems like the perfect place to use InterPlanetary File System (IPFS) (https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/). You can store and distribute files (including videos) using IPFS without worrying that someone could remove them. The only thing missing is a "UTube" front-end, and I'm not completely certain that there isn't already such a thing. Maybe this type of project would be the thing that gets IPFS off the ground and exposing it to a more mainstream audience.
• andreshb 6y ago
  Try building an app around it with glideapps.com for easier consumption by journalists, activists, etc., I tried to add it to my drive so I could build it but your settings will not allow me to do it
  • dylan604 6y ago
    You can understand why a document like this would need to be pretty locked down I hope. While you might think an app is required, I'm pretty sure just about anyone on a computer can read a spreadsheet. Also, I'd rather not need an app to present the data in a spreadsheet in a manner the developer thinks is useful. Just present the data, let the viewer consume it as they see fit.
• chaps 6y ago
  Most posts on this subject keep getting pushed off of the front page by mods. It's pretty sad to watch, especially with the number of posts about coronavirus. They're both major issues, but one is nerdier than the other so it gets to stay.
  • ve55 6y ago
    Although mods do perform many such actions, generally political posts are flagged quickly by normal users, indicating that they don't want to see them either
  • cbsmith 6y ago
    In fairness, it's got a lot of upvotes, and there's really no words that can convey what this shows.
    • chaps 6y ago
      And it's already off of the front page.
      • Izkata 6y ago
        It's on there now.
  • dang 6y ago
    Mods didn't touch this post, or see it, until I turned the flags off just now.
    • chaps 6y ago
      Got it, thanks. Since that's that's been a big trend recently, is there anything that can be done to make sure posts like these don't just immediately get flagged into oblivion? I can absolutely see campaigns against HN that flag these sorts of posts to get off the front page. Not expecting the answer to be yes, but figured I'd ask.
• thatlongthrow1 6y ago
  Don't get pushed over by police and your skull cracked open, the president will literally label you a domestic terrorist while you are in the hospital unable to defend yourself.
• dannypgh 6y ago
  It's really just one bad apple. Unfortunately the apple is the police and it's everywhere and armed.
  • s3cur3 6y ago
    “Okay, so there are a few bad orchards...”
    • sixQuarks 6y ago
      okay, so there's a couple of deep genetic defections with apples themselves.
• jasonjayr 6y ago
  This is in the same vein as the cross word puzzle database mentioned yesterday. "When you get the data into a nice, clean, dense form, stuff just falls out of it" - Saul Pwanson
• fzeroracer 6y ago
  There's also a Github repo [1] which was posted a while ago containing various instances of police brutality as well as other sites using said data to better illustrate the problem. [1] https://github.com/2020PB/police-brutality https://github.com/2020PB/police-brutality
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• avivo 6y ago
  One related issue, is that right now, in COVID times, unnecessary arrests, jailing, busing, etc. is in some abstract sense an application of potentially lethal force -- since enclosed spaces and close contact makes COVID transmission significantly more likely. It seems important to understand how much that is happening and where. If that data, in combination with protest size/type data is available, it can help us better understand if protests or police are actually impacting COVID transmission (if either). If we don't have that data available as case numbers come in, it makes the narrative of blaming protesters much more likely to stick, even if it turns out to be inaccurate later, and e.g. the primary cause is unnecessary police actions. Is anyone doing this? (Does anyone want to start if not?)
  • throwaway888abc 6y ago
    Where Covid rules apply: Home, Banks, Retail, Restaurants, Hospitals Yes Jails, Police station No Can you sue police if get sick ?
    • dillonmckay 6y ago
      I assume that is part of ‘qualified immunity’. There is also the issue with police chiefs publicly declaring that they will not enforce the orders of their governor. So, that is a bigger problem to me... Deciding to only enforce the laws you ‘like’.
  • closed 6y ago
    This is something bail funds in Philly track, and I'm guessing bails funds in other cities do too! Many cities committed to some degree at the beginning of the pandemic to reduce arrests / setting bail for minor crimes. (how well they've done that is often a matter of debate). The situation in local jails became a big issue at the beginning of the pandemic. I would reach out to a bail fund in your city (or read more on their web page) to see if there are useful ways to help their broader mission, which will include protestors :). Some useful context in this slate article: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/bail-funds-donations.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/bail-funds-donat...
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• bufferoverflow 6y ago
  I opened a couple of random ones. The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 Which isn't an example of police brutality. The second one was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTkAOe5UTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTkAOe5UTE Basically a bunch of thugs attack random drivers. One of the thugs jumps into a random car, the car stops, police come, pull the thug out, he resists, they deal with him. I have zero sympathy for the thug. If you want to create a list for this cause, at least make it good, make it solid. Don't fill it with random junk to inflate the numbers.
  • fortytwo79 6y ago
    I had the same experience. It was a video of a riot line of police with shields walking down the street, and people shooting fireworks at them. I welcome any content that shows events that the media isn't providing. But if someone is going to curate a list like this, don't sell it as something it's not.
    • grey-area 6y ago
      You're probably mistaking police flash bangs for fireworks. These devices are completely inappropriate for crowd control, but routinely deployed by US police in the protests.
      • chrisco255 6y ago
        Ah what is appropriate? Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done? Allowing mobs to burn down minority neighborhoods in Minneapolis?
        • rabidrat 6y ago
          I live basically in the CHAZ in Seattle, they haven't taken over anything. The police just abandoned the precinct building and left it unlocked and people are gathering peacefully to listen to other people speak. It's like a street festival or a farmer's market but with an explicit aim of stopping police from killing black people.
• chrisco255 6y ago
  It's worth noting hundreds of police officers lose their life a year in the line of duty: https://www.odmp.org/search/year https://www.odmp.org/search/year and many more than that receive serious injuries, even permanent spinal damage: One cop was paralyzed from the neck down in Vegas protests: https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-during-las-vegas-protest-paralyzed/ https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/14/police-officer-shot-... Retired police chief killed at 77 by looters in St. Louis: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500839-retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-outside-looted-pawn-shop https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500839-retired-st-l... A federal agent was killed in Oakland in connection with the protests: https://patch.com/california/alameda/fbi-ids-federal-agent-43-fatally-shot-oakland-courthouse https://patch.com/california/alameda/fbi-ids-federal-agent-4... The one-sided narrative against cops is getting out of hand. It's an extremely dangerous job and you cannot treat gangsters with kid gloves while they pack serious weaponry. It's a joke to talk of nerfing or defunding the police for the handful of bad incidents that occur meanwhile over 15K people a year are murdered in the country. It's completely disproportionate and not aligned with statistical reality: cops often have to make split second life or death decisions and they don't get a second shot.
  • fuckyah 6y ago
    This! Thank you for this 100% spot on comment!
  • alex_young 6y ago
    Policing is not a dangerous job. According to the FBI, which publishes the data in the Uniform Crime Reports, from 1980–2018, an average of 85 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed per year. In 2018 there were 686,665 police in the US.
    • Titanous 6y ago
      This is correct. In fact, landscaping and groundskeeping workers (among many other categories) suffered more fatalities than police officers in 2018 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics: https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0326.htm https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0326.htm
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• jennyyang 6y ago
  The thing that really makes things worse is that the police are causing most of these protests and riots with their violent, unwarranted behavior. This triggers riots and protests, which require the police to work overtime. They get paid for causing all these problems, and well paid. Their overtime costs must be tremendous. And who ends up paying? We do. We should claw back police overtime pay for any protests or riots that are caused by the police themselves. I think that's fair and equitable.
  • rabidrat 6y ago
    Over the last week I have been starting to realize that what you said is true in general, and not just of protests. It seems that police inflame and instigate most of the violent situations they are involved in. We are literally paying to be abused. We shouldn't be trying to get that money back; we shouldn't even be paying it in the first place.
    • fiblye 6y ago
      One example is civil asset forfeiture. Police can and do stop people at random, see if they have “suspicious” valuables or a little too much money, and seize it. It’s virtually impossible to fight the case and it’s literally free money with zero consequence to the police. If you try to deny them their free money, they just arrest you. It’s legally condoned robbery. I’ve had friends who’ve been pulled over while passing through Illinois and asked to hand over their wallets just so the cops can count their money. They only had a few bucks and were let go, but I’m sure if it was a little too much, the cops would’ve claimed it was drug money and taken it. The cops didn’t mention speeding or any sort of crime, so their reason for pulling them over was pretty clear. They probably target non-local people because nobody is going to come back just for a hundred bucks or so, and if they need to make up a ticket on the spot, few people will bother to fight it.
      • jacobush 6y ago
        What’s also bizarre is that it’s probably funding their local department and not some general state account, further skewing incentives. It’s like the Police has a letter of Marque to do piracy. [0] Except that means they are at war with you, not a foreign country. 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque
• DeonPenny 6y ago
  The fact that is even possible is insane. Imagine there being over 700 videos of pilots messing up in one month, 700 crane operator mishaps in a month, 700+ food poising by a chain in a month. The also imagine you believe there's no problem. This is Ba Sing Se levels of delusion for some people.
  • berbec 6y ago
    Ajit Pai is Joo Dee
  • MechanicalTwerk 6y ago
    To be fair there's way more people filming the police right now than any of those professions so I wouldn't expect the number of mishaps on video to be comparable.
    • rabidrat 6y ago
      Which makes these even more egregious because it means there are still more cases that weren't recorded. These are just the ones we know about!
      • MechanicalTwerk 6y ago
        I agree we can be almost certain that there are violations that aren't being captured on video and therefore the true number of violations is actually higher (assuming all the instances presented are violations). What matters is how the true number compares to the total number of interactions and if that ratio is acceptable to society. The absolute number of violations caught on video and the comparison of that number to similar numbers in other professions doesn't really say anything.
        • toofy 6y ago
          > What matters is how the true number compares to the total number of interactions and if that ratio is acceptable to society. I think it’s pretty clear at this point that the communities directly impacted by this behavior find the abuse unacceptable no matter how muddied the “but maybe there isn’t enough abuse yet.” crowd wants to dilute the issue. And honestly, I live a fairly cushy life, and I find the officers in my city to be stand-offish and aggressive, I can only imagine how utterly horrified Id be if they behaved the way we’re seeing. There is no way anyone in my community would have been as patient if we were subjected to the same level of treatment. And also, it’s probably important to point out, it isn’t only the physical abuse, the day to day attitude of an overbearing police force can drastically impact your own day to day quality of life.
• tsurkoprt 6y ago
  Can we stop with this BS about police brutality, perhaps we should be more vocal for the criminal's brutality? Which would limit the need of police in the first place? There are more than 350M interactions of police with citizens in a year, and you found 400 videos - most of them questionable in the definition of brutality. How about thousands of police officers killed that are protecting us? Here is the latest case : https://patch.com/california/santacruz/shooting-prompts-massive-police-response-ben-lomond https://patch.com/california/santacruz/shooting-prompts-mass... If you think their job is easy, please go with them for a daily or a nightly shift. I'm against any brutality, but you haven't seen the brutality they experience daily and have to follow protocol to protect us and themselves. I'm immigrant, I lived in different counties and I can tell for a fact that my interactions with the police in the US where the most pleasant and up to the point, compared to the other 5 countries I've lived (East/West EU, South America). Granted I've never done anything illegal/criminal - except traffic violations.
  • titzer 6y ago
    Let me just be the first to say fuuuuuuck!!!!! There is no rule of law if the police can beat the shit out of people without even so much as due process. Yeah, criminals brutalize, even kill, police. You know what happens when they do that? They go to jail. You know what happens when cops do that? Not a goddamn thing. Congratulations on being a well-to-do immigrant. Please expand your imagination to include centuries of institutionalized racism and decades of brutal policing which black and brown people have suffered under and are fucking fed up now.
    • Aloha 6y ago
      Even if you discount the racism - why do the police kill so many dang people? Too many brown folks, white folks, and other folks - more than is reasonable.
  • TeaDrunk 6y ago
    Thousands of police officers are not killed actually, their jobs are actually not even the 10 most dangerous jobs in America. As a black man you are more likely to be killed by a cop than it is likely a cop dies in the line of duty (ftr around 1 in every 1000 black men and boys are expected to be killed by police. In 2019 there are over 600,000 law enforcement officers but the Officer Down statistic lists 106 deaths...)
• huxflux 6y ago
  Polarization, scary stuff :(
  • defnotashton2 6y ago
    elaborate please?
    • rablackburn 6y ago
      I think they're referring to this thread itself. I've been lurking on hacker news for years and I've never really seen anything quite like it.
• tootahe45 6y ago
  If it was a rapist & career criminal of a different skin color who got killed, the crowds would be cheering for police.
  • jacobush 6y ago
    What’s your point?
• throw7373 6y ago
  That is suprisigly low number. US has nation wide riots right now. If police or national guard did they work, there would be way more cases.
  • TeaDrunk 6y ago
    Where I lived the police did nothing about the riots while they trapped protestors then threw chemical weapons at them...
    • throw7373 6y ago
      Look at Arab Spring, Kiev... 700 cases is very very low number in this situation. It could easily go to 100k deaths.
      • TeaDrunk 6y ago
        700 cases of police brutality is indeed less than 100k deaths caused by authoritarian dictatorship. As a democratic country we’re trying to avoid it with peaceful organization and protest, but our law enforcement keeps violating our constitutional rights.
        • throw7373 6y ago
          Ok, look how France or Greece deals with riots. Water canoons, tear gas, rubber bullets, internet shutdown, checkpoints on every city block... 700 cases is very low number. edit: my answers for posts bellow I used countries with nation wide riots in recent internet age. US is not Norway! America is full of radicals and happy trigger rednecks. If anything France has special anti riot units, trained to use non lethal force. US has militarized police, SWAT teams and national guards. If you expect police to disperse crowd with zero violence, while bombarded with bricks and molotov coctails, you are out of your mind.
          • TeaDrunk 6y ago
            Yeah that’s all police brutality. I’m glad that in America our law enforcement hasn’t dove to the level of shutting off our internet, but they’ve definitely used water canons, rubber bullets, and tear gas on peaceful citizens executing their constitutional rights. I’m glad that we as a people find that even our relatively low recorded cases internationally of over 700 filmed videos of police brutality nationwide within the span of 3 weeks is totally and utterly unacceptable to such a peaceful country as ours. I hope we can further reduce this number over time!
• marcell 6y ago
  There are lots and lots of mishaps in many professions, sometimes with deadly consequences. The United States is a country of 330 million people. Suppose an event is so unlikely it only has 1 in a billion chance of happening--it will happen once ever 4 days on average! Medical errors, for example, are estimated to cause as many as 250,000 deaths per year [1]. There are millions and millions of daily interactions between police and civilians every year. Sadly, there will be some mistakes, some of which will be caught on camera. It's important to be aware that what the media can be random, and media coverage is not always correlated with how important or prevalent a problem is. [1] Johns Hopkins: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_su...
  • jacobush 6y ago
    Funny you should mention medical errors. The US is not exactly a shining beacon in that regard either.
  • SQueeeeeL 6y ago
    >It's important to be aware that what the media can be random, and media coverage is not always correlated with how important or prevalent a problem is. Oh cool, a guy on Hacker News cited a John's Hopkins article. Pack it up protestors, racism isn't real and cops aren't tear gasing reporters in the face!
    • marcell 6y ago
      Huh? I didn't say racism isn't real, and I also didn't say cops aren't tear gassing reporters in the face. GP questioned how a profession can exist when it makes so many deadly mistakes. I pointed out that there is another profession, medicine, which also makes lots of deadly mistakes. Some are accidental oversights, but you can also do some searches and find some really bad medical errors. [1] but you can find lots more. Again, what the media draws attention to, and what is going on in society on a daily basis, are not the same thing. Racism and police misconduct existed before 2020, but it just in the last few weeks really popped onto the media's attention. And again, because of the sheer size of the United States, you have to look at statistics in addition to anecdotes when you think about policy. [1] https://www.mdlinx.com/article/jaw-dropping-medical-mix-ups/lfc-4251 https://www.mdlinx.com/article/jaw-dropping-medical-mix-ups/...
• pnako 6y ago
  I don't see much discussion of root causes here. But a lot of "police ought to be this or that". Perhaps the best solution is to have more democracy or community input into policing. It seems like it's happening now in the US (it would be quite different in other countries, where the police is national and considered civil servants; in France you can't elect sheriffs, and police is beyond the responsibility of mayors). In the end, some communities will vote for a police that's tough, and other communities will vote for a police that's less tough. There will still be issues when criminals used to non-tough cops cross into an area with tough cops, but that's life.
  • deathgrips 6y ago
    We have already had more democracy and community input. It does nothing and gets ignored. The cops keep defending other cops from all accountability.
  • Traster 6y ago
    One of the issues we've seen is that the police act as a political organisation. It's a message from the Police: "Look at these looters, you need us". They use their position to push for the political outcome they want. Similarly you can elect a mayor who will reform the police, but what's likely to happen is that the police just tweak their behaviour to allow an increase in crime so that come next election, the mayor's "reforms" have made his citizens less safe and you get rid of the mayor - because the police aren't accountable, the mayor is. An institutional interest has emerged and really the only way of changing that is to remove the institution and replace it.
  • alkonaut 6y ago
    > a police that's tough Tough is having courage and compassion while being firm. Tough not being an insecure bully. Please don't use "tough" when relating to US police brutality. Having a decent police force is a solved problem. Just look around for a country with a decent relationship between population and law enforcements. Look what made that happen (Was it 2-3 year police training? mental health screens? No qualified immunity? Central/federal authority governing all police forces? perrhaps ALL OF THE ABOVE?).
• yowlingcat 6y ago
  We might not be able to agree about everything, but can we at least agree that it's in everyone's best interest to have an increasing amount of the world have a generally secure, stable, unconditional personal access to food, housing, education, healthcare, and a labor market and can lives in a society with reasonable laws that they can practically obey? Even if we don't contribute to that personally, can we at least agree to try to avoid doing things to other countries that get in the way of doing that, in really obvious ways like not randomly bombing them and pretending? Can we just admit to ourselves that a lot of global military expenditure is just a certain kind of make work? As Americans, can we then really not think of a slightly more efficient way to allocate the $7.3T that the American government raises every year from tax revenue, much of which we just light on fire policing things parts of people's lives unnecessarily? Come on. I'm sure we can. This is like taking your hand off the literal stove. I know how horrible this all looks, and it is horrible, but it's also really easy to propose a solution to it. Divest and reinvest. It could be so many flavors of divest and reinvest, and still be a good enough improvement over how things are right now that it would be the most impressive piece of legislation for probably a 100 year span of time if not 200 years. There has to be an opportunistic, ambitious K-street lobbyist or two reading this, right? Wanna take credit for bringing America out of the dark ages? Come on...you know you want to. Now's your chance. The bar is at the floor. You could write the dirtiest honker of a bill you've ever seen that it could make the ACA look clean. As long as it achieves the right divestments (global windmill fighting) and reinvestments (domestic production infrastructure), you're on the right track. You don't even have to get it completely right the first time. Perfect is the enemy of done here. Just something major and timely, which lets you evangelize divest and reinvest. You can even rebrand it as "digital transformation" if you really want. I would promise to never judge it as management consultant grifting again. Because if not...I don't know how long this situation will hold. Those riots are just a taste of unease to come, and eventually, the federal branches of the government will understand how much more powerless they are with dislocation of their local constituencies. Someone is going to figure out how to relocate those constituencies.
  • luckylion 6y ago
    > Can we just admit to ourselves that a lot of global military expenditure is just a certain kind of make work? Being the imperial power has vast benefits, do you think Rome ruled its provinces just so they had a way to spend money? Being the global power is literally worth money. It's hard to say how much, but I'm pretty sure it's larger than your military expenses. That said, I'd love to see the US cut back, because your benefit comes at somebody else's cost. If the net benefit to the US is positive however, do you believe the majority of people would be happy to work more to have the same standard of living, or the majority of well-off Americans would be happy to pay European level taxes to redistribute wealth within the US? I have sincere doubts on both fronts.
• known 6y ago
  Since 45% of America is uninhabited it's better to give African-Americans a Separate Country https://archive.vn/YXDP8 https://archive.vn/YXDP8
  • chillwaves 6y ago
    How will you tell who is sufficiently white or black enough to live in each part of the country? Also very disappointing to see openly white supremacist posts on HN. Shameful.
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    • dang 6y ago
      Based on past posts, I don't think it's white supremacism. I know it seems that way, but I think what's happening is the international confusion I wrote about here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23438403 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23438403. That of course does not make the comment acceptable.
  • dang 6y ago
    Please don't post race flamebait to HN. This is extremely not ok. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
• known 6y ago
  There should be psychological evaluations of those in politics/judiciary/law enforcement https://archive.vn/YXDP8 https://archive.vn/YXDP8
  • TeaDrunk 6y ago
    I agree with the premise but unfortunately the mental health system in America is itself prone to abuse of patients and bigotry against patients. We need to be able to hold psychologists, nurses in psychiatric wards, psychiatrists, and other licensed mental health workers with a similar set of accountability if we are to hope that they can be useful filters.
• ardy42 6y ago
  Is there any effort being made to archive these videos? They're actual history, and given the ephemeral nature of data on online platforms, most will probably disappear in a few years without effort to preserve them.
  • adjkant 6y ago
    This repo has a nice data API and multiple different video download archives + an open source download tool for the data https://github.com/2020PB/police-brutality https://github.com/2020PB/police-brutality
• lorthemar 6y ago
  There needs to be a psychology study done with cops to understand why they act the way they do. I believe there's an underlying problem in how they are trained or something else because police brutality is kind of a global phenomenon. When someone kills or severely hurts the people they are supposed to protect, it seems like there's something else going on. I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have never seen more hatred in someone's eyes other than the cops that were beating up people.
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  • raxxorrax 6y ago
    Especially compared to other countries, the US police seem to show quite the restrained considering most countries do not allow to carry weapons. It is a significant risk for safety of course. But if you look at the data, the often believed stereotype of US police being glorified cowboys seems to be quite untrue. Frankly I am a bit cynical about politicians declaring the need for police reform. In my country protests are regularly "subdued" with excessive violence but the decision to handle it this way comes from the top, not from police officers. I think clearer legal rules would help. Also maybe teaching people how to behave in case law enforcement conducts a search. The ability for surveillance and raiding homes should certainly be under intense scrutiny. Because I think the fear of decision makers is the main driver we might see some problems. > I've been in a few protests and I can easily say that I have never seen more hatred in someone's eyes other than the cops that were beating up people. That can be true for protesters and criminals too. I am aware of the irony of mentioning them in the same sentence. But the "psychology" study should show, that police is just often required to just do the dirty work and some might adjust to the crime they see in their daily routines. The systematic problems are programs like war on drugs or excessive militarization.
    • lm28469 6y ago
      > considering most countries do not allow to carry weapons Imagine being legally allowed to own and carry a gun and getting killed because you legally own and carry your gun. How is that logic? https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06/22/philando-castile-facebook-and-dashcam-full-mashup-video-ctn.cnn https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/06/22/philando-castil...
• alkonaut 6y ago
  Some ideas: - Less immunity, and discharge without pension for blatant violations, for example being caught on camera hiding a badge, or deliberately bumping into someone to be able to argue that they were "assaulted". - Longer police traning. A 6-12months is how long you should train to be an unarmed mall security guy. Two or three years for a policeman seems like a minimum if you want qualified officers. - Federal overview of all police and common frameworks for what is allowed and expected by police officers. - Only qualified policemen should be allowed to be managers anywhere in the hierarchy (e.g. running for a Sheriff should require police traning and N years of experience). - More training focus on deescalation, dialog and avoiding dangerous situations. - Mental health screening. You don't want anyone who would become violent when in the wrong situation.
  • humanrebar 6y ago
    Repeal of laws commonly used to drum up charges on civilians.
  • jansan 6y ago
    In Germany there is a job called "Bäckereifachverkäuferin", which basically is a person specially trained to sell bread at a bakery. The training takes 3 years. This is not a joke.
  • hwillis 6y ago
    All great, but the problem with police is the same reason we don't use the military as our law enforcement agency. If all you have is a hammer, everything becomes a nail. -Traffic cops, patrolmen, and escort/guard details do not need to carry guns. They should not be pulling people over to fish for reasons to search and detain, they should not be arresting people. It's simply not necessary, and we should not use the same people that do SWAT raids for everyday things. Aside from mass shootings and hostage situations, there are very situations in which shooting is reasonable. Let the criminals get away with the diamonds- imagine you're on the highway when a UPS truck flies past you and the air is suddenly filled with bullets. You're terrified; any one of those could end your life. Then you realize the police are the ones endangering you. Police should be trying to get to safety and get others to safety when guns are fired. Dominance and submission have zero place in policing and should be legally punishable. The whole concept assumes that criminality is a single entity that will stop doing crimes if the police are dominant enough. It's ludicrous; the police should never be using law as a weapon.
• keith___talent 6y ago
  This thread is useless.
  • jhrmnn 6y ago
    Unlike your comment?
• saos 6y ago
  Insane
• vhiremath4 6y ago
  I am the CTO/co-founder at Loom (loom.com). I would like to upload these videos to my personal Loom account to be preserved. Anyone know of a location where I can download them without having to write a script to export them?
  • cvshepherd 6y ago
    I don't fully understand your requirements, but there might be something here: https://github.com/2020PB/police-brutality https://github.com/2020PB/police-brutality
• ss3000 6y ago
  Disgusting. After things settle down, in addition to all the systematic reform that will hopefully take place, I hope we can look back at these videos and put all of these officers in jail for violating the constitution and betraying their oath to protect and serve their communities. It's finally time to put all that facial recognition tech to good use.
• jonnypotty 6y ago
  Anyone thinks this is just a US issue is mistaken. This is what power does if you really challenge it. The friendly face disappears pretty quick.
  • alkonaut 6y ago
    I don't think the problem of police brutality is nearly as big in western Europe or other comparable places.
    • jonnypotty 6y ago
      You maybe right but I'm just saying people would do well to remember that this is what the police are for. To control you. The idea their treatment of people is down to "the law" is obviously false. They exert the power of the state. This, brutality, this abuse of power would happen anywhere people have learnt to dehumanise each other.
• trabant00 6y ago
  "end discrimination!" - "all police officers are bad!" People on the right side of history.
• proc0 6y ago
  Just move to Seattle or Minneapolis for anyone that hates police so much. They won't be there anymore so you'll be safe.
• kthejoker2 6y ago
  If there ever was a case of "don't comment unless you've RTFA" this it: people extrapolating their viewpoint on a list of 700 things from watching 1, 2, 3 ... At a minimum, watch 100 videos. I did last night, only took about an hour, it's easy to find some to nitpick, some which are ambiguous ... and plenty that are totally horrifying. If you can watch 100 videos in a row from Greg Doucette's list and say, "the militarization and use of force tactics of US law enforcement are not a problem" then I'd like to hear why you think so given this evidence. Otherwise you're not speaking from an honest grappling with what these videos contain.
  • ashtonkem 6y ago
    I’ve reached the point where the problem is more than just the equipment, it’s the culture. There are way too many cases where a cop provokes a confrontation, often by stopping to allow someone else nearby to run into them, and every other cop in the group responds by beating anyone nearby and shoving back anyone with a camera. You don’t get coordinated responses like that without planning and practice.
    • DebtDeflation 6y ago
      >I’ve reached the point where the problem is more than just the equipment, it’s the culture. This is absolutely true, but the problem goes much deeper than just the police force itself. We seem to want to solve every imaginable social problem with police/courts/prisons. Drug abuse needs to be viewed as a public health problem, not a criminal problem. Homelessness as a housing and mental health problem, not a criminal one. Many other issues as economic problems not criminal ones. Address the root cause, rather than sending people with badges and guns. I realize this is easier said than done, but it's clear the old approach is no longer acceptable to society.
      • mmsimanga 6y ago
        This! In my country there was a push back by teacher unions because the expectations on teachers has grown over the years. Laws now prohibit many forms of punishment, some schools now have metal detectors at the gate to stop students coming in with knives.
• trabant00 6y ago
  Watched first 10 videos with youtube links in the list: url - description - what I see in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_yJjdsJ_0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_yJjdsJ_0 - trampling a peaceful protestor with a horse - protester stepped into the horse's way without looking in that direction, nobody's fault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTGneu7tZU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTGneu7tZU - Shoving an unarmed woman to the curb, prompting a seizure that put her in the emergency room - police pushed somebody away from them, clip is cut right at the push, we have no context on what prompted that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1KRskL-0E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1KRskL-0E - doing an intentional hit-and-run with a car door to an unarmed protestor standing in the non-vehicular bike lane - protesters standing in the street in front of emergency vehicles with their lights and sirens on, but the door hit (minor) was definitely intentional and unnecessary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOzn6rWbpwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOzn6rWbpwU - NYPD were just beating a variety of people earlier tonight because they could - police try to arrest some people who are resisting, some other protesters jump the police, police hit people with sticks, get them on the ground, handcuff. No unnecessary violence I can see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAl1OK5V8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAl1OK5V8Y - beating a variety of unarmed protestors for sport - line of policeman pushing protesters back, nothing more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8CPc_R5iEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8CPc_R5iEI - pepper-spraying a variety of unarmed protestors for sport - police pepper spray protesters who got in their face insulting them, but where not violent. Pepper spray unjustified from what I can tell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGlRSPE2lL0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGlRSPE2lL0 - Minneapolis PD officer in an SUV indiscriminately sprays random citizens with pepper spray from his car window - yes, because people where getting in the way of police vehicles with lights/siren on in the middle of the street https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0HPW8Eagk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0HPW8Eagk - detonating flashbang grenades in a docile crowd of unarmed protestors for sport - video shot from very far away, we can see nothing of what is going on there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G0WhaqBRb0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G0WhaqBRb0 - shooting a random protestor in the neck with a rubber bullet, then detonating more flash-bangs - people surrounding a building with policeman on top, video of low quality with fingers in front of camera, from far away, nothing I can understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLzQefpBvM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLzQefpBvM - Police arresting CNN reportes on air - reporter gets arrested in a very peaceful manner, both him and police are very chill. No context on why.
• growlist 6y ago
  Is it true that black on black violence kills massively greater numbers than the police?
  • jansan 6y ago
    Yes, this is undisputed. And this is a huge problem. But the difference is that a police officer has sworn an oath and is paid to protect the people. Also, he has a special position of power that people see misused.
    • banads 6y ago
      By what percentage should we split our efforts between these two problems? Perhaps these 2 issues are together creating a positive feedback loop
  • hwillis 6y ago
    One-third of all Americans killed by strangers are killed by police. If you are black, you're more likely to be killed by a police officer than someone whos name you don't know. https://granta.com/violence-in-blue/ https://granta.com/violence-in-blue/
    • downerending 6y ago
      Neither of those stats means anything without context. Not surprisingly, criminals get killed a lot.
      • hwillis 6y ago
        The point is that "black on black violence" is essentially a myth. If crime was responsible for the elevated rate of homicide among black people you would expect a higher proportion of strangers killing each other. All those intraracial homicides are essentially familial, and indeed when you control for household crowding the difference between white and black murder rates completely disappears[1]. You don't even need to control for economic circumstances, merely the number of people living together predicts the murder rate independent of race. Despite the fact that black people are no more dangerous than white people who live in the same areas, black people are subject to massively disproportional violence inflicted by the state. The thing that should really make you pause and consider your assumptions is this: Black Americans are more likely to be killed by a police officer than a criminal. [1]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7769768/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7769768/
• fareesh 6y ago
  From what I understand, all of these people are breaking curfew and ignoring instructions to leave the area, and in some cases are acting belligerent when confronted, and this is happening at scale. Is the expectation that curfew is an order that should not be enforced in the strictest sense? From what I could see on the news, parts of your country were being burned down and looted by some rogue elements who used the cover of peaceful protests to spring into action. To protect the lives and livelihoods of those affected, a curfew was imposed, which was then violated. If I lived in those areas I would have liked to see the curfew enforced as harshly as possible because if it is not enforced then I will lose the local businesses who I depend on to live in that area. What is the expected approach to law enforcement when extreme measures like curfew orders are not obeyed, particularly during a pandemic? A lot of these videos seem to be omitting the all-important context. In my country I would want the police to beat the ever loving expletive out of people who do go out in large crowds during a pandemic. I would want the police to use all measures available at their disposal to injure and dissuade people from breaking a curfew and unwittingly providing cover for criminals. Perhaps in first world countries life has become soft and comfortable so there is some expectation of civil behavior from everyone in society, but clearly that has not happened in the USA and many other countries. Many of the protests are peaceful, and a lot of anger can be easily empathized with, I can't imagine anyone who was not furious after seeing these horrible videos of police inflicted killings. Under no circumstances can I be convinced that looting and rioting is an acceptable outcome. If protesters know that their peaceful assembly is being hijacked by criminals who go out and loot and riot under the cover they provide, and they go out and protest more, then they are complicit in the rioting. Perhaps these are cultural differences, but coming from a police where the police are infinitely more barbaric, corrupt, rude and ruthless than the USA, I find the police doing the best they can to manage the absolute mess that the citizens are creating. You all live in a country where many police wear body cameras. That is privileged beyond anything I can hope to imagine for my country. It's weird to empathize with you when you have it so good.
  • Synaesthesia 6y ago
    A lot of the time the police are simply acting in an unreasonable way, it’s not like the make a request and then attack after it’s not been complied with, no they just run and attack with no questions asked.
• thrownaway954 6y ago
  honestly... the biggest problems with the police is unions. you de-unionize the police you will see all this stop in no time. over my life i have witnessed personally numerous times when an officer should have been fired for brutality or another offense, but the union used their negotiation power and saved their job. cops know that as long as they have the power of the union legal team behind them, that 99% of the time there will be no punishment or it will be minimal. cops are entitled because unions make them this way. take away their safety net and you seeing more terminations and less bullies and entitled people applying for the job.
• supportlocal4h 6y ago
  When one 737 Max crashed, some pointed the finger at the pilots. When a second one crashed, the focus quickly shifted. It is a common attitude in aviation that even pilot error is really a systems fault. Perhaps opposing buttons are too close together, or some control requires attention to be diverted at the wrong time, or pilots are allowed to fly too many hours without adequate rest, or plenty of other things that could contribute to predictable human failure. It seems obvious that we can predict human failure in current policing. If two incidents with a 737 lead to an indefinite grounding, what's the right number for this situation? In the case of the airplane, grounding does not create a public safety issue. And there are, of course, many alternatives that can keep the overall system up and running in the meantime. The solution to police brutality requires much more thought.
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  • ha4fsd3fas 6y ago
    I think you are comparing apples to oranges. Your comparison would be more accurate if all humans were law abiding citizens. I don't think you could put blame on pilots if airplanes could sabotage flights at will. Of course if all humans are law abiding citizens there would be no issue to begin with. I think every society with lower crime has significantly smaller police brutality issue with some rare exceptions like Hong Kong.
    • freeflight 6y ago
      > I think every society with lower crime has significantly smaller police brutality Crime-rates do not correlate with police brutality and mass incarceration. Canada locks up way fewer people, has way less harsh sentencing than the US, yet Canadian crime rates are not that different from those of the US [0]. It's also really weird to evoke HK in this discussion when the current police response in the US is way worse than anything reported out of HK. Particularly in the context that for the longest time the HK police actually had a rather splendid international reputation [1]. While US police had a "Dirty Harry" like reputation for several decades now, something that's reached its current peak with the whole "blueline" mentality and the glorification of comic vigilantes like the Punisher as a symbol for law enforcement. As such a whole lot of this is rooted very deeply in policing and incarceration culture and not some countries being inherently "more criminal" than others. [0] https://youtu.be/wtV5ev6813I https://youtu.be/wtV5ev6813I [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/world/asia/24iht-hkpolice.1.6298117.html https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/world/asia/24iht-hkpolice...
• qwertman 6y ago
  Am I the only one that finds the way this entire topic is discussed/reported incredibly one-sided lately? Whatever you say you could be labeled racist (the fear is real) + there seems to be very little critical journalism left in the world. Most of it is just recycling. For example: * there is a large amount of looting/fires/violence going on - but you can't be critical towards that "because you just don't understand or you're privileged" * according to the online media, you'd think that its only police committing the violence * burning or destroying statues I personally don't understand or removing old movies - in worse case scenario shouldn't that be there to learn from (like for example all the Nazi movies) * seen a huge amount of articles comparing the numbers behind police shootings in the US with countries like New Zealand, UK and Germany - however not one of them talked about the general "gun control issues in the US" (which is THE major difference between all of these countries) - it was always a "police issue" * a lot of articles seem to find racism in the fact that the ratio of black people getting shot/killed is 3x larger than their population size would suggest - however, looking at the numbers - in the US people of color also seem to be incarcerated 3x as much as well. So statistically speaking is it surprising that a population group that does 3x as much criminal offenses gets shot 3x as much? You could just yell - racist! Or you could think about why that is - in average, a black person earns a lot less in the US than for example white. However a person of asian origin earns more - and is statistically even less likely to commit crime. In Germany ethnicity and crime so leaning towards people of arab/east-european descent, precisely for the same reason. Poverty. Paradoxically I think yelling racism is even more damaging - because its deflecting from the real issues. Poverty. Economic inequality. In US is more pronounced than in EU and harder to climb out of - you get the social net to catch you if you're out of work, insurance, free/cheap education. Poverty.
  • Kye 6y ago
    It helps a lot if you show through your words that you're aware of all the existing informed discourse on these things. Poverty is the cause at one level of abstraction. It's well-known among people who think hard about racism. The best summary I've found is The Case for Reparations: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-cas... He doesn't actually call for reparations, but a lot of people dismissed it out of hand on that assumption. It's an abridged list of where racism intersects with poverty over the last century or so, right up to the modern day. It's a long read, but you'll have a much better understanding of where people are coming from even if you still don't agree with them. I think he hoped people would read it and come to the conclusion that reparations are needed on their own. I did at least agree with his conclusion that more research is needed. The anniversary of the bombing of Black Wall Street just passed, so pay special attention to the 1920s. The tools racists use change, but the effect remains.
• xorfish 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc... The US looks more like a third world country than a developed nation.
• malwrar 6y ago
  I have no idea why people discussing these protests aren't focusing more on this. How else do you capture "systemic problem" better than widespread thuggish police behavior during countrywide protests about police brutality. Of all the black civil rights activity in recent memory, this is probably one of the most powerful methods of conveying to people the gravity of the issues that black activists talk about.
• mountainboot 6y ago
  There have been several posts in the thread advocating violence. Is that allowed here?
• Gasp0de 6y ago
  I have always wished there was a platform where we could upload such videos and collect evidence on certain cases of police brutality. With the use of facial recognition software, it would also easily be possible to identify when the same cop is involved in multiple conflicts.
• hereme888 6y ago
  HN should stay away from this garbage. Most of these videos are carefully edited to show one side of the story. Others are stories sharing only their side of the story. Protester brutality far exceeds police brutality. Criminal brutality faaar exceeds police brutality. Yet the extremist leftists are calling to defund the police, which leads to complete chaos and anarchy. Pathetic reasoning from a stone-age, low-IQ perspective.
• hanselot 6y ago
  Its amazing how many policemen are actively contributing to this conversation. Good to know we have all these active police academy members with first-hand knowledge of the situation. And, no, that's not saying these videos are fake, hyperbolic or twisted to support a specific narrative (they are), but it is to say that hearing only one side of a story is pointless. Yes police are brutal in the US. Wanna know where they are worse? In South Africa a criminal can be arrested over, and over, and over. Because our prisons are full, somebody that is guilty of over $5800 usd of property damage, will walk free by Monday, if they get arrested on Friday. They won't have a hearing or a trial. They will spend the weeked in a cell, and be on their way. Want to know what that feels like? Knowing that everywhere you go, at all times you are at risk of hijacking (in which they will get into your vehicle and drive you, often at gunpoint) to atm after atm, to empty your bank accounts, in case you have limits imposed on your accounts. How about the horrifying rape and sexual abuse statistics we have? How is it possible that your country can be so blind? Everyone fighting over skin colour while the wool is shifted over your eyes and your rights are stripped away. Going through this thread I have come to realise that a very large number of highly talented individuals are mentally handicapped, by something worse than religion. I hope you all figure out how to escape from this, its going to destroy your country.
• fulldecent2 6y ago
  Here is a project set up to review each of these individual reported incidents. https://www.reddit.com/r/GeorgeFloydUnmasked/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GeorgeFloydUnmasked/ There will need to be a lot of discussion // more than be traced using Twitter // to solve any one of these incidents. That's why we set up a Reddit for threaded discussion. This is Don't Fuck with Cats style.
• Tomasz_Papka 6y ago
  Are there any videos of morons destroying private property, looting, stealing, burning?
  • sfj 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVKDKWKR498Ut2m8H5oUEcA/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVKDKWKR498Ut2m8H5oUEcA/vid...
• fongitosous 6y ago
  the problem is not police violence. the problem is what they are legally allowed to do VS what they are not. the notion of "resisting arrest" allow police to do pretty much whatever they want from the moment you said "no" to one of their asks. Hell even getting out from your vehicle when a cop tells you to stay in it is "resisting arrest". this is the main problem. if you give people a way to be legally violent you are responsible for the deaths. its is beyond politics, democrats or republicans allowed these laws and procedures, the neck restraints and other dangerous things for decades.
• neycoda 6y ago
  Cops shouldn't be afraid to do their jobs, and citizens shouldn't be afraid of the cops.
• ApolloZero 6y ago
  I've downloaded these clips and compiled them into a single video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ckSnRrOhZ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ckSnRrOhZ4