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Interpol issues 'red notice' for Carlos Ghosn's arrest
- roryrjb 7y agoAnyone else getting "An error occurred during a connection to www.bbc.co.uk. PR_END_OF_FILE_ERROR" when trying to access BBC News? This in under Firefox on Linux but also cannot access it in Chromium.
- techer 7y agoNothing wrong on safari iPad
- roryrjb 7y agoHuh, it was my VPN (PIA). Does anyone know why this would happen? I tried a few different servers.
- yingw787 7y agoI get the same issue using NordVPN; not sure why.
- hetspookjee 7y agoEDIT: Are you aware that you're likely using exit nodes that are acquired through a botnet by using NordVPN? They're related with Oxygenlabs. editted for correctness. My first statement was false. My apologies. https://medium.com/@derek./how-is-nordvpn-unblocking-disney-6c51045dbc30 https://medium.com/@derek./how-is-nordvpn-unblocking-disney-... Oldpost: ~~Are you aware of the possibility that you're an exit node for the related NordVPN services?~~
- yingw787 7y agoWell now I am. I got a 3 year subscription through them until 2021, I’ll probably get PIA afterwards. I’m guessing this is a NordVPN specific thing?
- krilly 7y agoTo clear up what hetspookjee said: no one is suggesting that nordvpn is routing traffic through its own users, and this would be trivial to detect. They may be using botnets along the lines of Hola though.
- agustif 7y agoTihs is typical in a lot of media sites anyway, I guess they have some rules per IP/hits, which using a VPN which you share your IP with a lot of other people, puts you on the blacklist. I guess it's not good for ads/tracking, hence the blocking too
- vesinisa 7y ago[EDIT: The comment below is misguided. The BBC nowadays does indeed show ads, as several people pointed out. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I have the ads blocked, and can recommend others install uBlock Origin as well.] For the record, BBC news site has never had any ads. The content is fully paid for and financed by the British public through TV licensing fees. And they go the extra mile to not even appear promoting any products or companies in their reporting ("other companies doing X exist".) OTOH, they do have a ton of trackers and other spy technology on their site. My uBlock Origin shows six blocked tracking domains. So even though BBC is not profiting from dislaying ads to visitors, they are still gifting their behaviour data to American tracking companies for free.
- phpnode 7y agoThey show ads to visitors from outside the uk
- roywiggins 7y agoThe BBC website absolutely does serve ads outside the UK, it's serving them right now: https://imgur.com/a/acF8BqB https://imgur.com/a/acF8BqB
- txcwpalpha 7y agoI open up bbc.com and I am immediately shown several ads. I have a banner ad for Geico shown across the top of the page. BBC is made up of several entities and only some of them are publicly funded. Other parts, such as the BBC world news and several of the BBC’s online sites, are indeed for-profit companies that run ads [1]: > Unlike the BBC's domestic channels, BBC World News is owned and operated by BBC Global News Ltd., part of the BBC's commercial group of companies, and is funded by subscription and advertising revenues, and not by the United Kingdom television licence. And even the ones that are publicly funded still show ads to visitors from outside the UK [2]: >We've introduced advertising to visitors outside of the UK because the new revenue created will allow us to further improve our journalism, our programmes and our website in the years ahead. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_News 2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc.com/faq/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc.com/faq/
- thieving_magpie 7y agoBBC tends to be hostile to any VPNs from what I've noticed, likely to ward off fraudulent accounts accessing live television without paying for the appropriate license.
- nxoxn 7y agoI find this whole series of events to be fascinating. I'm also very interested in what Ghosn has to say on the 8th. I have only read briefly on Japan's prison system and from what I understand it assumes guilt. It's hard to infer what might have happened. Leading up to his arrest in Japan there were mentions that he had treated his co-officers in a "un-Japanese" way and was suspected to have lead to his being targeted to be removed. It's also interesting how this how debacle has caused Nissan to suffer. It really seems like Nissan was about to turn around their design and car interiors (the new Maxima, Altima, Sentra, and Versa have gotten big boosts) and then this hits them hard. I hope Nissan pulls through and I hope the truth about Ghosn comes out.
- s_dev 7y ago>I hope the truth about Ghosn comes out. It's been reported he oversaw accounting irregularities regarding his compensation i.e. fancy embezzelment with Nissan which is why there is a warrant for his arrest.
- JohnJamesRambo 7y agoHaving just read his wikipedia, it seems this goes very much deeper than treating someone in an "un-Japanese" way. >Nissan was paying all or some of the costs at some amount of US$18 million for residences used by Ghosn in Rio de Janeiro, Beirut, Paris and Amsterdam, and that Ghosn charged family vacation expenses to the company. And the list goes on and on... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn#Arrest_in_Tokyo_and_subsequent_Nissan_investigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn#Arrest_in_Tokyo_a... >Nissan compliance auditors began trying to track Zi-A activity in 2014 but were stymied at first by the chain of shell companies used in Zi-A investments. >Nissan funds were used to purchase Ghosn's Paris apartment in 2005, and Zi-A funds were used to purchase his $5 million beachfront Rio apartment in 2012 and his Beirut mansion, which, with renovations, cost over $15 million. >In addition, to avoid reporting the full amount of his compensation in Nissan financials, as required by Japanese law beginning in 2010, Ghosn had Kelly structure complicated deferred payment plans which went unreported under an aggressive interpretation of the disclosure rules which Nissan's outside auditors had not signed off on, and which totaled around $80 million at the time of his arrest eight years later. He's just your typical CEO criminal and should be in a cell next to murderers and drug kingpins. Nissan stock in 2018 - $21. Today - $11.67.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago“Interpol issues a warrant for Carlos Ghosn's arrest” Interpol is neither a police force nor a court of law, and does not have the power to issue warrants.
- Waterluvian 7y agoThere's a great Stuff You Should Know podcast episode on Interpol. As you point out, they're not a police force. They're an international organization designed to help connect police forces together. They know who to call and have translation services, etc. A more apt description is that Interpol issued a notice stating that Japan wants this guy.
- sjs382 7y ago> A more apt description is that Interpol issued a notice stating that Japan wants this guy. Current article title is "Carlos Ghosn: Interpol issues 'red notice' for Nissan ex-boss's arrest"
- blondin 7y agoah man... i always thought that interpol was the more classy version of mi6.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y agoYes, whereas e.g. European Arrest Warrants are serious business (because unlike the UN, the EU has teeth).
- oefrha 7y agoExcept Interpol isn’t part of UN, so whether UN has teeth or not is pretty much irrelevant here.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y agoOh, sorry, you're quite right. I meant to check that first.
- grzm 7y agoArticle title: Carlos Ghosn: Interpol issues 'red notice' for Nissan ex-boss's arrest
- grzm 7y agoNote: submission title has been updated since this comment was made: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21935806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21935806
- pboutros 7y agoRed notice is different from an arrest warrant.
- rossdavidh 7y agoNot particularly well informed on this, just want to point out to those trying to decide between scenario 1 (Ghosn broke the law with impunity because he was a CEO and felt entitled) and scenario 2 (Ghosn is really being persecuted for being a non-Japanese CEO of a Japanese company), that it is logically possible for both to be true. In other words, like Martha Stewart, he might not have been doing anything that his peers weren't also doing, but also doing things that were illegal. Of course, the fact that scenarios 1 and 2 are not incompatible, is not proof that they both happened, just pointing out that it is logically possible for both to be true.
- JumpCrisscross 7y agoEscaping state surveillance from Japan and then landing up in Lebanon via Turkey while the Japanese government has all three of one’s passports pretty much requires breaking lots of laws in at least three countries. (Likely more, e.g. money laundering.) One could argue this was a rightful fleeing of persecution. But it complicates the picture on many levels. EDIT: looks like he kept a second French passport [1]. He would have only had to break many laws in two countries, mostly around aviation and declaration. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos-ghosn-met-lebanese-president-fleeing-japan-sources-say/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/01/02/national/carlos...
- gryson 7y agoAs reported in the news, he had two French passports and was allowed to carry one of them in Japan in a locked case. Presumably he broke the lock and used it to enter Turkey and Lebanon.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> As reported in the news Do you have a source for this? It would be unusual (and incompetent) for the Japanese to permit this.
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- mmhsieh 7y agoAnd just like that, he was Ghosn.
- glofish 7y agoExcellent points here! Very likely scenario. I have yet to see any major achievement that did not "break" law in some way. Remember laws are made for "regular" boring folks to keep them in line. They cannot accommodate massive radical reorganizations. On the other hand the Japanese sure look like they wanted to make a scapegoat and dish out exemplary punishment.
- seibelj 7y agoWe all break innumerable laws everyday, the goal for the government is to make everything illegal so that when you start making waves, they can put a magnifying glass on your life to throw the book at you. You should have a lot of money before you try and change things, so you can defend yourself through the never ending lawsuits. Look at any major corporation’s quarterly filing and see how many lawsuits they are mired in at once.
- glofish 7y agoIt is not as much the government but your fellow citizen that requires laws. Even a small percentage of them can make your life miserable. Laws are complicated because behaviors can be varied and circumstances complex: someone getting sick and peeing on your yard is different from someone going potty in your backyard every day ... etc long story short, societies need laws, people themselves don't fully understand the implications of the laws. People make the laws in the end, it is just inconvenient when most people have different opinions than one particular individual.
- clucas 7y ago> the goal for the government is to make everything illegal I've heard this line before, but never heard any evidence supporting it. I work with government regulators in the US regularly in my day job, at the local, state, and federal level. I have never gotten the impression that they are trying to hoard infractions on people that they can later use to strong-arm compliance. Rather, modulo some personality issues, the vast majority government officials I have ever worked with seem to be interested in achieving the best result for the people in the jurisdiction they oversee, and they tend to take "the will of the people" as expressed in elections and public forums very seriously - if that means letting technical infractions slide, that's what they do. In fact, a lot of times, the people running the government (again, in my particular areas of experience) have expressed that they wish the laws or regulations they are tasked with enforcing were less onerous, but they know it won't change because the people don't want it to. Of course, it could be different on the criminal justice side of things. Could you cite some examples that support your accusation?
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- diogenescynic 7y agoRussia uses Interpol to go after its critics like Bill Browder so I'm not sure how to take this. As someone with no dog in the fight, from everything I read it seemed like Japan turned against Ghosn because he made too many cuts to Nissan which was ran more like a government owned enterprise. Japan's judicial system also seems less than fair, especially to outsiders. I don't think anyone on either side of this story looks clean.
- tpmx 7y agoI found the comments here interesting/insightful: https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/eip9cr/japanese_media_blasts_cowardly_ghosn_after_escape/ https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/eip9cr/japanese_medi...
- tpmx 7y agoThis subreddit has been following this case obsessively ever since it started. It's a must read for anyone interested in this case.
- danmg 7y agoFinally, he'll be held accountable for those JATCO transmissions.
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- vadym909 7y agoFascinating- I'd go watch the movie. Rags to Riches Hero becoming too successful- targeted by Big Foreign Govt on cooked up charges escaping persecution and going home to safety.
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- mzs 7y agoFWIW Lebanon is very likely to ignore it.
- tjpnz 7y agoGood to see that this is being taken seriously, both by Turkey and Interpol. Japan's justice system is flawed but certainly not to the degree where one should presume that the case against him is entirely groundless.
- nataz 7y agoJust a quick note on INTERPOL since the original title was misleading. [1] INTERPOL is basically an information sharing organization that connects police forces in different countries. It has no authority on of it's own. It's not a police force or law enforcement agency. It can't issue warrants or make arrests. Basically, they are the holders of a bunch of databases that each country's official poc (national coordinating body - "NCB") can query, enter data into, and receive notices from. Notices come in different colors. A red notice is an information alert by the host county (Japan in this case) to other national police forces that a subject is wanted for prosecution. Other country's police forces can choose what they want to do with this request. A red notice is not an indication of guilt. Most red notices are restricted to only law enforcement officials and the subject/public won't even know about them. This makes sense if you are actually trying to capture someone. You make a notice public for two reasons. 1, you need the public's help in finding someone. That's not the case here since we know where the target is. 2, you are making a political point. I suspect Japan's legal and law enforcement community was seriously embarrassed. If they actually wanted to/thought they could capture him, they would have reached out discreetly to other agencies via a law enforcement only read notice/and or other diplomatic means. INTERPOL is a fascinating international organization and it's interesting to watch all the geopolitics play out. [1] source: occasionally work with INTERPOL as a consultant/subject matter expert
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago> Other country's police forces can choose what they want to do with this request Practically, this notice restricts Ghosn's travel to several countries. It does nothing to him in Lebanon, and is unlikely to change much in France.
- Scoundreller 7y agoI feel bad for anyone booking a private jet from Lebanon to France for the next while. Plenty risk of an unscheduled diplomatic lunch: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incide...
- doktrin 7y agoGood on him for escaping. The japanese judicial system is an outright farce and they deserve to be humiliated on the world stage.
- dynamite-ready 7y agoThis currently looks like the view the western media is coalescing on. But look at country's relationship with crime. It's almost seen as a model in this regard. How sure are you about the defendant's innocence?
- doktrin 7y agoI lived in Japan for several years so I'm quite aware of the upsides of that country, and more aware than most of its dark and downsides. Ghosn is undoubtedly guilty of something, but he wasn't arrested (and subsequently rearrested a half dozen times on the same charge) because of his culpability. It was a Japan Inc. hatchet job through and through. Bottom line is that he was facing a kangaroo court and a judicial system with a 99% conviction rate. Everybody deserves better than that.
- PunchTornado 7y agoWhy would France not extradite him if he arrives in the country? Seems really dodgy from their part, like another Polanski case.
- dgudkov 7y agoFrance doesn't extradite its nationals.
- hirundo 7y ago> Reuters on Thursday quoted sources close to Mr Ghosn as saying he decided to flee after finding out his trial had been delayed until April 2021. If I'm on his jury for charges related to fleeing I'd tend to give him a pass for this reason. Justice delayed is justice denied.
- mordae 7y agoHow does he have a Japanese and other passports? I thought Japan does not recognize multiple citizenships...