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Perfectly Cropped

• techer 7y ago
  The contacts in the share sheet annoy me. Pixel also has this “direct share” that can’t be disabled and simply uses up real estate while being a privacy issue for me. Samsung has an option in settings to remove it.
• Udo 7y ago
  With the proliferation of different screen sizes and zoom factors, these kinds of usability problems will continue to happen. The only way I see around this is by re-introducing the 'obvious scroll bar' element, or alternatively a different kind of indicator that advertises where the current view is in relation to the entire content.
  • onion2k 7y ago
    The user doesn't need to know where they are on the page. They just need to know they're not at the bottom. A line along the bottom of the page when there's more content available would work. You could have the same at the top too.
    • Udo 7y ago
      It's debatable whether it's bad that the user knows where exactly they are. The problem with just showing a bar at the bottom is that iOS already uses a bar at the bottom to invoke the app switcher. Maybe a small triangle in the corner would help.
      • jarfil 7y ago
        The user probably wants to know where they are in a list while scrolling, but otherwise it shouldn't be a problem to reclaim that screen space by hiding the scroll bar when they're done.
        • Udo 7y ago
          That reflects how things work on macOS and iOS right now, the scroll bar disappears when you stop scrolling. However, that does not apply to "pop-in" elements like the share pane. It operates like a slidable component on-top of the current app, it does not even have a scroll bar in theory, because from its point of view there is nothing to scroll. Whether that's a good choice to begin with is open to debate, but I assume Apple's design team would be averse to showing a positioning indicator due to the fact that it would break their skeuomorphism.
  • lallysingh 7y ago
    Like a tiny down triangle in the corner? This stuff is super not hard. You just have to give a shit.
    • helpPeople 7y ago
      Sounds like Linux excuses "you just aren't using it right"
      • lonelappde 7y ago
        You mean Apple excuses? That's a Steve Jobs quote. Linux UX is rough in parts and the answer is "it's a $0 volunteer group project, we need your help to make it better."
        • AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
          No, it's definitely a Linux thing too. Linux Desktop community in general doesn't care what anyone's experience is except their own, and if you're not a C programmer who's willing to fork the code to make the change you want (because they almost certainly won't accept your patch), then screw you. Common phrases heard on Linux Desktop software issue trackers and forums: "Why would you want that?" "You don't want to do that, do it <the way I do it>." "Works on my machine." "PRs are welcome." "We've rejected your PR because there isn't any demand for this." This is the community that thinks .desktop files are a good idea and largely uses the GUI as a really fancy tmux. They're hopeless.
    • dean177 7y ago
      It’s incredibly hard to make a great user experience look great. Lots of people can’t tell the difference between something looking awesome and working well.
      • lallysingh 7y ago
        User interfaces are testable. There's a whole field of practice on this. Considering how sloppy this is (and Apple's recent trends in slop) I bet they didn't test it on all their screen sizes
  • really3452 7y ago
    > The only way I see around this is by re-introducing the 'obvious scroll bar' element... Or Apple could do the right thing and go back to a 3.5" screen size on all their phones, no exceptions. Even a 4" screen size would be better than these clown-phone monstrosities. IOS could then just dead-pixel all pixels outside of the center 3.5" screen on all existing clown-phones for backwards compatibility.
    • coldtea 7y ago
      Is this supposed to be sarcasm? People it's clearly an unpopular opinion, and those bigger screens literally fly off the shelves...
      • tyfon 7y ago
        Personally I hate the big phones, but I would prefer to have a dumb phone with physical buttons if I didn't need all the two factor apps, public transportation ticket apps, car apps and whatnot. Right now I am looking at the Sony Xperia 1 as it seems to be the best "smallish" phone now a days. Yes, I know I am in the minority.
      • really3452 7y ago
        > Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Nope. A few years ago I used to really want a large-screened phone. Then I got one with a 5" screen and found out its clunky and awful to carry around. Standardizing the screen back to 4" or 3.5" would greatly improve my tolerance for carrying it around and, if the resolution were also standardized, would greatly simplify UX design.
        • lallysingh 7y ago
          I hear you. I think our best shot will be folding phones.
  • enriquto 7y ago
    oh, yes, please, give people back their scrollbars!
  • vxNsr 7y ago
    I hear you except that apple controls all the screen sizes and zoom factors. They know right off the bat what it's gonna look like on all the screens in the world because they have every screen this will show on... also if you forget zoom it's still only like 5 screen sizes: SE, 6, X, XS Plus, and XR. How did they not test this on 5 different screen sizes, of which two it's entirely un-intuitive?
• saagarjha 7y ago
  I'm personally torn on the new share sheet. It's actually fast now, which is nice, and I like the fact that it (supposedly) can put contacts in the top bar that I talk to frequently (which I guess no app has added support for yet?) But it's still a bit confusing how it's organized, and now it has two planes of scrolling and sometimes apps disappear off of them unless I pin them in "Favorites" or something like that and the list only has a limited number of items unless I go into the "More" option. But more on point, I don't get why it doesn't flash scroll indicators…isn't that the standard way that iOS has hinted at scrollable content for years?
  • kup0 7y ago
    I've seen the contacts in the top bar, though I can't remember what apps use them. Maybe the share option in Photos. I find it annoying that I cannot turn it off. It's very easy to accidentally get close to sending a contact an image I do not want to send them
    • techer 7y ago
      Pixel has this too. Samsung allows disabling. I just want the apps.
    • machello13 7y ago
      Eh? There's still another confirmation step before it actually sends.
  • Sendotsh 7y ago
    The top bar for me shows 2 contacts and the rest are empty spaces. Both contacts are people I haven’t spoken to in months/years. One is my MIL who I never text and just occasionally receive a call from. Meanwhile the people I message near daily don’t show up anywhere. The top bar is completely and utterly useless, and causes common tasks to be cut off below a fold I didn’t even know existed until OPs post. Apple. It just works.
    • techer 7y ago
• toxik 7y ago
  An easy fix would be to do the gravity/pointmass type deal that Messages does for the message bubbles, so when the sheet "shoots up", you see that they're movable.
• the_duke 7y ago
  I switched to Android around the time iPhone 5 came out. Whenever I touch one now, I feel like a idiot and dinosaur. It can take me minutes to figure out the most basic things, and often I end up searching on the web. In the pursuit of a "clean" UI, iOS has become completely unintuitive and confusing.
  • jahbrewski 7y ago
    My favorite unintuitive iOS feature is “shake to undo”
    • jameshart 7y ago
      For some reason this always accidentally triggers when I’m using the ‘Mail’ app. After opening an email, it offers me the opportunity to ‘Undo Read’. It means ‘leave the email you just read marked as unread for now’, but somehow instead the displayed confirmation modal implies that iOS can reach into my brain and take back the information imparted by the email.
      • runj__ 7y ago
        Perhaps you are always unknowingly shaking with anger whenever you read emails?
    • theshrike79 7y ago
      Has anyone ever used that on purpose?
      • Y-bar 7y ago
        Yes, often, it is such an odd manoeuvre that it is hard to forget, like dragging an ejectable to the trash. But I feel like I look stupid. And it does not always work. There has to be a better way.
        • hackmiester 7y ago
• unityByFreedom 7y ago
  Good callout of usability. Does it need to be presented so dramatically? "she couldn't figure out how to share photos, so I called her" Could this not wait until later?
  • luckylion 7y ago
    I very much agree. Valid point, bad presentation. Embedding screenshots of dialogues and Twitter threads is something I'd really prefer not to get widespread.
• rlv-dan 7y ago
  Grumpy Website deserves to be mentioned here: https://grumpy.website/ https://grumpy.website/
  • DrBazza 7y ago
    Brilliant. Every single image that I saw is of an Apple product. The so-called masters of UI.
    • dmitriid 7y ago
      We (the authors) are Mac and iPhone users, so yeah, our exposure to things is skewed towards MacOS and iOS :) And yeah, it pains us to no end :)
      • rlv-dan 7y ago
        1. Please keep up the good work! 2. Please add a way for visitors to submit content. (Unfortunately) I have lots of content that I want to share...
        • dmitriid 7y ago
          1. Thank you! 2. It’s a challenge because someone would need to approve submitted content, but I hope we’ll figure something out
      • qot 7y ago
        Hey grumpy - awesome site, but I thought "Cancel Subscription? - YES / CANCEL" was the title of the post and spent sometime wondering why it had nothing to do with subscriptions: https://pic.t0.vc/ZYIU.png https://pic.t0.vc/ZYIU.png
        • dmitriid 7y ago
          Yup, those quotes are a part of the joke (like the infinite scrolling). They even trip me up sometimes, and I write posts there :)
• AndrewStephens 7y ago
  I had exactly the same experience. It really is not obvious that additional buttons lurk just offscreen in that dialog.
  • haasted 7y ago
    Me too! Until reading this article, I hadn't found the other commands. I had been missing "Save image" and "Set as wallpaper" and wondered why they had become so difficult to access. FYI, it's also possible to save a photo in iMessages by long-pressing it.
    • stevewodil 7y ago
      Wow...this is TOO weird. I was helping my mom the other day with her iPhone (I use Android so I'm not all that familiar), and I could NOT figure out how to save the image. Now I know why...
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• winkeltripel 7y ago
  I have an ipad at work we can't sign into, since we changed the email address on the iCloud account (months ago), and the old address is on a domain we don't use any more...
• jarfil 7y ago
  Simple solution: add a blur gradient at the bottom so people know there is "something more" going on down there.
• hemmert 7y ago
  On my iPhone SE, it is also well-spaced and perfectly cropped, omitting the 'copy' row and perfectly finishing below the second line of icons. (I actually have a PhD in human-computer interaction and I'm a professor for UX design. It took me a two days to figure out where all those functions, which somehow appeared to be accessible 'only through apps' (or people ;)), went. Oh well...)
  • whatshisface 7y ago
    Eventually, they will remove the display from iPhones entirely, reducing them to a transparent touchscreen that speaks to you in whirs and beeps through your AirPods. Then even the touchscreen will be removed, to be replaced by a LIDAR chip mounted around your belt buckle. The design of the Great Wizards of Old will have come to fruition, and men will call forth driving directions and Amazon orders using mystic incantations and vigorous, unnatural hand movements.
    • oehpr 7y ago
      And people think WH40K is silly. Look at us trying to appease the machine spirits.
    • hackmiester 7y ago
      > Eventually, they will remove the display from iPhones entirely, reducing them to a transparent touchscreen that speaks to you in whirs and beeps through your AirPods. This function is already available (with the minor difference that it speaks to you using, you know, words and stuff). It's called VoiceOver. It's designed for blind users.
    • spectogarb 7y ago
      Eventually we'll be forced to have chips implanted in our brains as babies where we can communicate with the giant computer in the sky which can also regulate gland secretions.
  • 333c 7y ago
    Weird — on my SE the "copy" row is only half-visible at the bottom so it's clear that I can scroll.
• aduitsis 7y ago
  This is certainly not an excuse for the clearly bad UI design the article describes for iOS, but unfortunately Apple is not the only one afflicted with that disease. The situation on Android is not exactly rosy either. I get particularly aware of the serious UI problems when trying to use GPS navigation (waze, here, google maps) in a car. Buttons with various colours, contours and sizes, non-intuitive interactions where one has to swipe starting from various confined areas, annoying dialogs or confirmation screens appearing one after the other, sometimes even spontaneously. There is not even a modicum of consistency regarding the most basic elements, e.g. a yes-no question or a dismissible message. I hate to say it, but the first iOS of 2016 was (and probably remains) a champion of elegant and consistent UI design. Today, it's almost as if the iOS and Android ecosystems are competing for who has the most unintuitive and confusing UI.
  • nencrystation 7y ago
    Waze is indeed really clunky in places. It crashes less than it did last year but the UI hasn't really changed.
  • lowercased 7y ago
    I've reluctantly upgraded iOS here and there, mostly because my bank app requires it. Other than that, I've hated upgrading because there's always new UIs that are more confusing than before. Yes, there's sometimes some nice newer features (the call handoff thing is kinda nice at times), but... I'm also on an SE (just bought a new one in Feb) and much of the new stuff assumes newer/bigger phones too. I'd like security updates on previous iOS versions for earlier devices, but I'm also aware of the logistical problems that would create.
  • MiroF 7y ago
    At least Android allows me to use different apps as default. That lets me pick and choose my UI. On iOS, if I want to use Siri, I'm stuck with Apple Maps, etc.
• bpicolo 7y ago
  ...This blog post explains an issue I have been experiencing that I didn't realize I had. iOS has always had some very explicit misses on affordances. Force touch led to a lot of them.
• bsenftner 7y ago
  It's that crappy "flat design" BS that provides minimal meaningless indicators. An entire generation of designers needs to unlearn this crap.
• uptown 7y ago
  My primary complaint of the share sheet is that it’s suggesting I share things with people I either never text or texted once for a specific purpose with no reason to communicate with ever again.
  • techer 7y ago
    I’ve said elsewhere. Pixel also has this and can’t be disabled. Samsung allows it to be disabled.
• franciscop 7y ago
  This is a very common issue. The best and most common solution (besides visual indicators for scroll) is to make sure you are always cropping some elements. Which is very tricky to impossible in a fluid general-purpose UI container. This is very heavily used for horizontal scrolling e.g. in the Google Play Store for instance. IIRC it used to show 3.5 elements, now it's more like 3.1-3.2 elements. Edit: example, you can see how this is used in apps as well as screenshots: https://www.androidcentral.com/play-store-getting-material-design-face-lift https://www.androidcentral.com/play-store-getting-material-d...
  • lonelappde 7y ago
    Or you could use the solution that's worked great for 50 years: scroll bars
    • franciscop 7y ago
      > (besides visual indicators for scroll) Yes, but you normally cannot control that :)
      • nkozyra 7y ago
        I think the argument here is that Apple can/could control that here.
    • sempron64 7y ago
      I thought about this and while it does work, there's not enough screen real estate on a phone for this to be efficient. Phone screens are already very narrow and vertical. So either the scroll bar would be too narrow to be useful or too large.
      • moring 7y ago
        Keep in mind that this "scroll bar" would only have to indicate that there is more content, or at most, which part of the content you are looking at. It doesn't have to be interactive (tap/drag to scroll) because you can still scroll by swiping. So a few pixels would be enough if the color stands out enough.
• salex89 7y ago
  Had the same issue the first time I was using Uber, around 1.5 year ago. Uber is not available in my region, and I was in the States, wanting to catch a ride with my colleagues to the airport, so that was my first time in the app. We were going long-haul and had a lot of luggage. First car that comes in is a Corolla in which there is no way we could fit. The guy (in poor English) tells us to choose a bigger car. We try to tap around, just to get a Jetta. At the end we asked a guy in a shop near the spot we were waiting, for him just to swipe the ride type right to left. Felt like an idiot, because the three types available at were perfectly centered and aligned.
  • elfogati 7y ago
    There is no need to include the quip about the drivers poor English other than racism. It added nothing to the story and it wouldn’t have mattered if the person was an expert English speaker either. You just wanted to be racist.
• mfer 7y ago
  Testing on older devices is something many (any it appears iOS) doesn't do well enough. I ran into this with an apps verification system. Because of the positioning on an iPhone 7 you couldn't perform verification. When I contacted them I learned they don't test on iPhone 7's because they are too old. This was prior to the 11 coming out. I've also had to help someone with this problem on their older device. A casualty of always chasing new is design and QA for older devices.
• kup0 7y ago
  This issue confused me too, on my iPhone SE. The top action is copy and is partially cut off on the screen, and I didn't know save image was below it. At least it being cut off eventually led me to scroll down. Apple has destroyed UI intuitiveness by going too far in the minimalist direction. Sometimes we need some damn scrollbars or indicators. However, it appears this changes based on the app? If I long press an image to save it from the browser or from the Toot! (mastodon) app, I get the regular save image dialog that I've always gotten on iOS. If I long press an image to save it from Twitterific, I get the share sheet. Ugh. The share sheet annoys me too. I get the convenience of having "most common" contacts at the top to send things to, but most of the time this is in the way for me and I'd prefer it completely off and as expected with Apple's "features" they rarely provide options to turn them off. While I prefer iOS over Android, it's stuff like this that I realize is a big trade-off for me. Edit: Looks like I can at least re-order so "Save Image" is the top option... but it's still buried beneath the contacts and apps
  • techer 7y ago
    Pixel forces the Direct Share too. Can be removed if you root it apparently. Samsung allows it to be disabled.
• coldcode 7y ago
  Our mainstream iOS app has tons of these kind of issues. Our designers seem more interested in coolness than usability. I think a lot of designers are big on artistry but low on understanding how to help people actually use things. I did UI design back in the 80's when it was actually a programmer duty more than an art thing. Of course back then were no phone sized screens and the UIs were much simpler in desktop apps. But the concept of making a UI usable for all sorts of people is still the same. Apple traditionally does not use user lab testing (which is not terrible in itself, often I've gotten mostly useless feedback when I watched them) but sometimes you work in an environment that has too many people who know the app too well to notice issues.
  • Crinus 7y ago
    I seriously believe that the last time any real thought went into usability in UI was with Windows 95 - and even that wasn't free from form-over-function issues. In Windows 3.0 it was meant that only elements you could interact with the mouse would have a beveled 3D appearance, so people would know just by looking at a screen what they would be able to interact with. However it wasn't fully followed - checkboxes, radio buttons and input boxes were flat. Instead of addressing that Windows 95 made everything 3D. Still, every time i hear one of those issues with "modern" UIs, it always gives me the impression that these are issues that wouldn't exist with a Win95-styled UI. Sometimes i fantasize about working on something like that for Linux (not out of any special Linux love, just it is the only OS where thanks to X11 you can make fully custom UIs and still be practical), but fix all these inconsistencies.
    • cwilby 7y ago
      What are your thoughts on KDE in regards to an accessible Linux distro?
      • Crinus 7y ago
        I haven't really thought much about accessibility TBH, especially around KDE. At least not outside some basic stuff, like color schemes and the like. I haven't used KDE much but from my little use i found it better than GNOME - mainly thanks to Qt - but still leans a bit too much into the flat trend (especially some newer things that use QML instead of Qt Widgets). Still, if i absolutely had to choose between the KDE and GNOME i'd choose KDE. Fortunately there are more choices and if i had to go with a desktop environment that currently exists (as opposed to my fantasy one :-P) i'd go with XFCE. Though in practice i use Window Maker, but that is mainly out of habit as it doesn't exactly match what i'm talking about. But I do use Thunar as a file manager and Mousepad as my notepad-like text editor.
• abubaqar113 7y ago
  mainstream iOS app has tons of these kind of issues. Our designers seem more interested in coolness than usability. I think a lot of designers are big on artistry but low on understanding how to help people actually use things. I did UI design back in the 80's when it was actually a programmer duty more than an art thing. Of course back then were no phone sized screens and the UIs were much simpler in desktop apps. But the concept of making a UI usable for all sorts of people is still the same. Apple traditionally does not use user lab testing (which is not
• danielovichdk 7y ago
  Loved the OMFGWTFBBQ in the message on the phone
• projektfu 7y ago
  It took me a long time to figure out in the first place that I had to “share” to do actions that are not sharing, like saving to my photos. I was also surprised by this new wrinkle on the iPhone SE. I’d use android if I had a phone in this form factor.
  • gbear605 7y ago
    Yeah, the share button really means more like “send to other apps”
• SigmundA 7y ago
  My non techie friend experienced the same thing, upgraded to iOS 13, went to see him and he started cursing about "how the f do I save a photo from my messages why the f does Apple got to remove something like that WTF!!!!" I immediately thought no way they would remove that he must be mistaken, I just upgraded too and hand't tried to do that action. Looked at his phone and sure enough it was gone, tried all sorts of things finally Googled it and oh wow you got to be kidding me scroll down but no indicator you can, that's bad, there is going to be a lot of confused people, why would they do that?
  • jchb 7y ago
    Tip: long press the image you want to save, tap Save.
    • SigmundA 7y ago
      I am pretty sure that was one of the first things I tried and nothing happened. Just tried on my iPhone X and the long pressed showed that menu, is there any difference there between models, he has like a 6 or 7? Either way long press has the same non discoverability issue especially for not techie people who are used to it working a certain way before.
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• synlatexc 7y ago
  My mom had the same issue the other day. Even I didn't realize the save option was concealed below the fold. My workaround was having her long press the photo in iMessage, which reveals a prompt with an option to save.
• AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  Shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone in today's UX culture. Hide all the things, make them indistinguishable, it might not be usable but at least it meets some designer's arbitrary definition of "beautiful". Fuck. Every day I grow to hate technology more and more.
  • rdiddly 7y ago
    If only you could blame the technology. It's humans all the way down.
• JoeCianflone 7y ago
  Hmm. I’m on iOS 13 and I just clicked a picture in a message and my screen looks slightly different. I see more options and I can tell from the design there is more. What I can’t tell is if I’m the edge case or his wife is, but for all the iOS 13 hating people enjoy doing, I’m not convinced this is a real issue.
  • pwinnski 7y ago
    If you see more options, it's quite likely you have a taller phone. I use an iPhone X, and my screen is tall enough that this issue doesn't affect me. But Apple still sells iPhone 8, which is affected by this issue.
• DrBazza 7y ago
  My favourite Apple UI 'enhancement' was to remove pinch-to-close from 'Books'. You now have to fiddle around with a perfect touch in the right part of the top of the screen to get the top menu to appear, to then press a tiny 'back' button. Before, pinch anywhere on the screen. Thanks Apple.
• rootusrootus 7y ago
  I don't doubt that Apple has big teams of people who do nothing but try to perfect the UX. Maybe this shows how difficult it is to get it right more than any inherent problem at the company. Aside from that, I don't really care much for iOS any more than anyone else. Mostly because Safari is now buggy and once every day or so I have to kill & reload it to get a page to display. And the new gesture implementation has me going forward & back when I am just trying to get a page to scroll left & right. And the touch-and-hold popup activates too easily. And ... Well, I hope they are still tuning it. I admit to holding iOS to a much higher standard than I do Android, but I can't help that.
  • gmac 7y ago
    Safari is now buggy and once every day or so I have to kill & reload it to get a page to display Yes, me too — hope they fix that soon. I admit to holding iOS to a much higher standard than I do Android, but I can't help that. Take both the price differential and Apple's historic UI quality into account, higher standards seem pretty reasonable.
• martin-adams 7y ago
  Usability is getting harder, not easier. I thought there as a bug in iOS 13 that I couldn't turn the torch on or access the camera on the home screen. I press the button, nothing happens. Go to my control center, and it works fine there. Is it a bug. Nope. It's user error. It looks like a button. It animated when I press it like a button. It has only one primary action like a button. But nope, you have to _long press it_ for it to work. https://twitter.com/Martin_Adams/status/1184846835241967616?s=20 https://twitter.com/Martin_Adams/status/1184846835241967616?...
• lutoma 7y ago
  Semi-related: My biggest UX gripe with iOS is that the option to hide a picture in the Photos app is part of the share menu. Those are such diametrically opposed interactions, I really don't understand the thought process that went into that. Usually sharing is the last thing you want to do with a photo you're trying to hide, and with the share dialog open it always feels like you're just one mistap away from sending it to whoever. I guess with the "Duplicate" / "Slideshow" / … options the share menu has become more of a general action menu, but if that's the idea, they should really change the icon imo.
  • elfogati 7y ago
    The name “Share” is probably just a holdover from older iOS versions when it actually was purely a share feature. It ought to be renamed to something else now, like “Actions” or something to reflect the fact that that one button is how you: open the file in a specific app, run automations on it, share it with friends, save or bookmark the thing, etc.
• olah_1 7y ago
  iOS 13 also completely butchered the screenshot editing interface. It's approximately 4 times slower than the old one. The markup button is hidden in the 3-dot menu in the far upper-right (such a strain to reach this!). Oh and the "full page" safari screenshot feature? It only saves PDFs. What a joke. I'm moving to Android or PinePhone.
• dmitriid 7y ago
  > Here’s a fun, personal story about what can go wrong in an otherwise fine UI when things are redesigned. writes the person whose blog is typeset with a nearly invisible thin gray font
• hurricanesugar 7y ago
  In design this is called “the illusion of completeness.” “The illusion of completeness happens when the visible content on the screen appears to be complete, when in fact more information exists outside of the viewable area.”[0] It’s a designer’s job to create cues that ensure this never happens. [0]https://www.nngroup.com/articles/illusion-of-completeness/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/illusion-of-completeness/
  • jandrese 7y ago
    But visual cues make your pretty screenshots look ugly! -- Apple UI designers
  • 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
    This happens all the time with news articles. There's an enormous ad and call-to-read-something-else in the middle of the article and you can't see below it to know the article didn't end. It's happening more and more.
    • scarlac 7y ago
      Exactly. So much so, you'll often see each ad prefixed with a text saying 'article continues below' (for those wondering why that text is there).
    • NoodleIncident 7y ago
      Arguably, news articles have been written from the start (even in physical newspapers) so that the most important information is listed first, knowing that many readers won't bother to flip the pages to get to where the article is continued. Giant page-ending ads online just continue this tradition, they'd rather you click three more headlines than keep reading the mostly-redundant article body.
  • WorldMaker 7y ago
    It's something I really miss about the height of Windows 8/Windows 8.1/Windows Phone 8 design: the grids were specifically chosen to really to push that incompleteness feel: a few pixels from the next column over or the next row down always peaking through; big parallax landscape backgrounds that give a sense of background space that there's more to pan. That feeling that not everything fits perfectly on the screen and things were almost always incomplete bugged a few people about those design patterns, but it did create a lot of nice, simple cues that things were scrollable without needing scroll bars or other indicators.
• tomcooks 7y ago
  It only there was an indicator on the side of the screen telling you how far you are from the bott of the screen, like a bar. On the side.
• mberning 7y ago
  It’s not realistic that iPhones could have had the same screen size forever, but this kind of thing and many others like it show that sticking to 3.5/4 inch screens for so long was not necessarily misguided. Consistency counts. As well as not diluting your design, development, and testing efforts across a plethora of configurations.
• srirachafari 7y ago
  You can see the solution on that same screenshot. Make a sliver of the subsequent button visible. Hard to do with all the variable resolutions, but theyre smart people, im sure they can figure it out.
  • WhompingWindows 7y ago
    Couldn't you have an indicator on the item itself which shows there are further items below?
  • bityard 7y ago
    Or, and hear me out on this, they could have a widget off to the right that signals to the user when content could be scrolled down. Heck, you could even get _really_ crazy and have it display _where you are_ within the scroll content. On second through, nah, the world isn't ready for that kind of idea.
• itsfirat 7y ago
  I miss the skeuomorphic design days.
• dingo_bat 7y ago
  If you have received a photo in messages, it is already saved to your phone. The messages app isn't loading it from the internet every time you open the conversation. So there is no need to "save" it again. It is already there on your phone storage.
• cypressious 7y ago
  The author claims to be "a developer with an eye for design" yet the blog is very hard to read with the giant images in between the text blocks.
  • notjustanymike 7y ago
    Yeah it's noticeable. I think it's because the site is a "mobile first" design that accidentally became a "mobile only" design.
• Lewton 7y ago
  Another iOS 13 ui issue I ran into today I have a lot of tabs open on safari on my iPhone. Both because I continuously open in new tab and forget to close the old one and also as a low tech “read later” list. Today I went through cleaning up tabs, and while going through the list pressing the x on some tabs, a pop up came up and asked me something (didn’t have time to see what) and as I was on semi autopilot pressing x’es to close tabs I accidentally hit the option Saying something About “1 day“. I figured it had something to do with cleaning up tabs (which I don’t want) so I go to the settings for safari and sure enough it’s now set to clean up old tabs after one day So when I went back to safari all of my tabs had been cleaned up I always browse in private mode (because why not?) so I lost a ton of “bookmarks” Goddamnit
• crazygringo 7y ago
  It's not just iOS, it's the web too -- buttons and error messages that are off-screen with no indication. A banking site I use commonly has a "next" button that is inexplicably about 3/4 of a screen's worth after the main page content which is only a few lines long, with just blank white space in between -- so just below the fold. For weeks I thought the site had a bug where there was no way to get to the next stage of the operation. Similarly, it happens regularly in a shopping checkout site that I'll click "Complete order" at the bottom of a long form and... nothing happens. Click again and again... still nothing. Finally think to scroll up to the top of the page and there's a tiny message in red that I didn't fill out the "state" field or something like that. Off-screen indicators/functionality is a problem everywhere.
  • TremendousJudge 7y ago
    >Off-screen indicators/functionality is a problem everywhere. Yes, but an iPhone 8 costs at least 450 dollars, and Apple products pride themselves in the "premium experience" they provide.
• chias 7y ago
  I need to use a MacBook Pro for work. Discovering that there is an option to make scrollbars always visible when there is scrolling to be done was, by a significant margin, the best QOL improvement I have discovered. This happens to me so often it's ridiculous. Maybe because I'm just used to seeing a scrollbar if there is a Y-overflow, and people that grew up with this system know to -- I guess just like try scrolling every interface and see if it scrolls or something? I dunno. For anyone else in my boat: System Preferences -> General -> Show Scroll-bars -> Always
  • rlv-dan 7y ago
    It seems like much of the design rules that evolved by experience is being thrown away by designers because they don't think it's looks nice or is clean enough. Interfaces like Windows 95 that are neither too early nor too modern seem to be really excellent at conveying meaningful information to the user.
    • djsumdog 7y ago
      The Windows 95/98 scroll bars were vastly superior to those in Win10. No matter the size of the window or the scrollable content, you can tell what is the scroll bar and what isn't. On Win 10 it's sometimes ambiguous. Removing the scroll bar when you're not scrolling is the worst design decision.
      • pbhjpbhj 7y ago
        Hmm, idk, perhaps a midway between removal and hiding would be to collapse it to ~1px so you gain real estate but still see the position in the document?
        • floren 7y ago
          Windows 95 users often had 640x480 screens. Somehow they managed to get work done while still displaying scrollbars at all times. I think we can manage on our modern, high-resolution displays.
• AceJohnny2 7y ago
  Windows Phone 7 was really interesting because the OS UI very intentionally did "bad crops" of items to indicate scrolling was possible https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+phone+7+ui&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+phone+7+ui&tbm=isch
  • bhauer 7y ago
    That still looks better, in my opinion, than the mobile operating of today. A proper dark theme many years ago, and an elegant (IMO), simple, touch-oriented UI. It avoided the "play skool/AOL" aesthetic that really rankles me with more popular UIs: rounded corners, circles that should be squares, etc. All that said, I agree with the article's point that UIs that do not more clearly reveal the totality of their user interface actions are frustrating. I've often found iOS to be especially bad at this for outsiders like myself, especially with respect to hardware features outsiders are completely unfamiliar with such as "press harder than usual."
    • AceJohnny2 7y ago
      Windows Phone's aesthetic was certainly a welcome, effective change compared to iPhone's dominant paradigm. I suspect you'll pry rounded corners from Jony Ive's cold, dead hands. I agree that iOS's "discoverability" is awful. I wish Apple had some head of UX like Android has with Matias Duarte. Instead, they put Ive in charge of software UX and it's clearly not something he cared about.
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• NKCSS 7y ago
  Wow, this site is horrible to read on a desktop...
• dpcan 7y ago
  "But I see them impact my aging parents all the time." I've realized lately that I'm actually entering this zone. For the last 20 years I've been talking about how stuff like this is a nightmare for the "aging" community. 20 years is a long time, and now I'm falling into it. The big one for me in this new version of iOS was that: 1) I couldn't figure out how to move my cursor around. It used to be perfect. I held my finger down, it let me move the cursor around in a word. Now you have to swipe the cursor to "grab" it and move it around under your finger. It feels like change for the sake of change when it worked perfectly before. 2) And I can't do a "select all" anymore. I don't even know where that option is and I used it all the time. Something tells me I have to swipe somewhere now. We all become the "aging" population no matter how much we think we know tech, design, etc. I think my biggest problem with all of this is that things worked. I liked that things worked, and I liked that I knew how to use things. I cannot figure out why things have to change. Or at least, put an option in settings to change back/forth from previous functionality. When I wake up one morning with nothing to worry about except work, and find out I now have to relearn how to use the same phone that has been in my pocket for 2 years.... this is irritating.
  • ethanjiang4 7y ago
    I was just trying to select all before giving up and manually moving the edges of the selection bar. Eventually I found out you can only select all when you have nothing selected and hold the cursor and release. And I'm 20...
  • EugeneOZ 7y ago
    Hold finger over the "space" button - you'll switch whole keyboard into the mode where you can move cursor by moving your finger. "Select all" disappears for 36 y.o. too, and I have no idea why and how to fix it.
    • arnado 7y ago
      The best I can find is while holding the space button, use another finger to "click" then drag the space to select.
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• kevinguay 7y ago
  I have heard complaints about this too in the form of "Whatever you do, don't upgrade to iOS 13." (Me: "I've been running 13 since July..")
• lowercased 7y ago
  half of the UI stuff we know would have been called "Easter eggs" in a previous generation. I dropped out of gaming around the time of Pitfall! - when controllers got more than one button, that was it for me. But I saw my brothers and friends all geeking out of "left up down down left A B A BB A down up left" and finding cool shit in their games. It sort of feels like ios/mobile stuff has become that. "3 finger long press, swipe down, dbl tap - oh sweet, I can save the picture you sent me!"
• planetmaker 7y ago
  Aye, this is a pattern which indeed seems to become more and more common in an attempt to "modernize" design and "making it more lean". Yeah, right
• bityard 7y ago
  This is what happens when designers fetishize minimalism... eventually, you minimalize to the point that no one can use your product.
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• jakear 7y ago
  Ugh... it’s the same in Apple Music (as tfa mentions). Biggest iOS 13 complaint: going from a a song on a list to it either at the beginning or end of your queue used to be: Toich and hold on song, move finger to “play next” or “play later” button, release. Now, it’s: touch and hold on song, release when menu comes up. Scroll menu up. Tap button. Sounds small, but it’s such a usability setback for no gain. I want a full screen modal, that’s why I’m going into the song options. Why would I press and hold on the song, then only want half of its options?
• larusso 7y ago
  I had the same issue with my mother in law. She said she isn’t able to share to an iCloud group. She was used to the fact that the iCloud option was part of the upper rows. And having an iPhone 6s she was also left with any indication to scroll down.
• lloydde 7y ago
  Great article. It frequently occurs on iPhone SE for 3rd party apps with its smallest dimensions. SE seems to also have the unique problem of cropping of instructions and phrases on the right of screen.
• htfu 7y ago
  Seems to have already changed, because that's not how it looks on mine. There's no whitespace between the buttons in the list, so (on iPhone X) the first two and a tiny bit of the third are visible. I'm assuming their view would now be the first and a small piece of the second. Crazy something like that was ever released though.
• cjsawyer 7y ago
  Maybe we could bounce all scrollable areas along their scroll direction when you open an app so you can see they're hiding a control. Like a 0.5 second tutorial.
• jaredtn 7y ago
  The new iOS update would disable scrolling on Safari - but only on some websites, and only about halfway through the page. You had to quit and reopen to fix the effect. This bug was remedied in 13.0.1, but I have to wonder: Did no one try opening Facebook in Safari with an iPhone XR? Seems like shoddy testing to me.
• floatboth 7y ago
  The simplest solution would be to group the Copy and Save buttons into the group thingy that's been common on iOS since forever. So that the Copy's bottom corners wouldn't be rounded.
• admax88q 7y ago
  UX has been trying to remove scroll bars for ages. They are ugly as fuck but they are also incredibly useful UI feedback. I think UX is missing the grander design challenge of making scrollbars that are both useful _and_ beautiful.
• wrongsystem 7y ago
  This is all wrong! If there is anything to discuss about Apple products: it´s the brutal and oppressive work system they established in china, their support of surveillance dictatorships around the world, their destructive forced obsolescence and the impudent refusal to contribute to societies by paying taxes like every citizen does. It is an evil, cynical gang of criminals that are actively destroying the future of our planet and our freedoms and you are talking about GUI quirks? STOP buying it! Stop following that stupid idea of closed source operating systems! Thanks to the visionary veterans of the free software movement nowadays we have alternatives - we just need to use them! Yes, of course fascist corporate market oppressors make it hard to be free and easy to obey. Yes, of course there still might be some edge cases and quirks and things must get ironed out. But freedom future is what we get, something that is worth all the trouble! Especially here on HN I feel that vicarious embarrassment when "Hackers" proudly brag about their OSX and IOS problems. "ICloud" - how can a thinking, self-respecting human even still use that surveillance tools? We are on the edge of losing all of the freedoms our fathers fought for just because we are too lazy to solve the minimal last mile of problems on a very long marathon to better usability of open source software everywhere - this is historic debt we are taking on us just because of "easy"! Get the F out of your comfort zone and support free software. Yes, there will be lots of jobs, many independent developers and system consultants and small support shops with open systems, it will be a much better economy with free software - closed software actually produces bad systems because milking the consumer becomes a higher priority than building good software. The evidence is clearly visible nowadays. Windows, Adobe, Apple, etc. - all systems that are so bad and full of problems because the idea of closed source is wrong and leads to bad software. Also the childish inability to recognize that free software is an inevitable requirement for a free society has already caused too many problems, we finally must take the next step and make open systems even better everywhere. Be part of the solution and stop using software that puts users in a virtual prison, let us make free software mainstream everywhere! Free your gadgets and your brain will follow! Stop buying anti-freedom!
  • InterimNew 7y ago
    Is this a bit? It's not clear to me that free software is any more essential to a free society than libraries are. Which is to say, it's a clear public good but that's not a compelling reason to position it as a requirement for a free society. I would very much appreciate if you could expand on why it is childish to believe otherwise. Look, there's free software that I absolutely love like Vim, but unless things have drastically changed in the past 12 months many open source "alternatives" trail their paid alternatives in features and ease of use. I would choose open source applications if they could demonstrate a superior experience, but I'm unwilling to jump over hurdles for promises of quality that have yet to materialize. For instance, I agree that Adobe's model is just awful, but Procreate is miles ahead of Gimp so I'd rather give those devs thirty bucks as a one time fee over using free software that is less enjoyable or expedient for my work. That's the crux of it really: for most people computing is a means to an end so it makes sense that users optimize their choices around results rather than ideals about the future of computing. Also, what you've described doesn't sound like a better economy at all from where I'm sitting. I love not being a sole proprietor or part of a small dev shop. It's great being able to go home on a Friday and know that if anything comes up over the weekend that someone else will handle it. It's equally great knowing that I have the resources of a large company and the combined expertise of a massive pool of employees. I would certainly be less happy as a consultant, independent developer, or entrepreneur.
• carloswilson 7y ago
  > So I don’t know what the solution is to these types of accidental UI bugs. Obviously a scroll bar should be an acceptable solution? Why do designers hate scroll bars these days?
• nautilus12 7y ago
  This is yet another product of magical thinking around scrum and agile. WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN. Bar none, business needs to totally readjust their velocity gauge, its totally broken.
• fortran77 7y ago
  It's funny he mentioned this: > "My wife typically only charges her phone when she’s at her desk during the day. She doesn’t leave it plugged in overnight, which means iOS’s software update never happens automatically for her. So, she just recently upgraded to iOS 13 a few days ago." About 3 months ago, I _finally_ got rid of my landline at home. I had it just for emergencies, and I had a wired POTS phone on my nightstand. So now I keep my iPhone on my nightstand. It's in the charger all day at work. And I, too, stopped getting updates automatically! I just looked at my phone and saw that there's been an alert up for a few days that I need to update to the latest 13.1.3.
• dredmorbius 7y ago
  "Who killed the scrollbar" was a rant I'd posted on this about three years ago: https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/0hgfswmoti3fi5zgftjecq https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/0hgfswmoti3fi5zgftjecq
• kirykl 7y ago
  On a related note, There's no reason the "find on page" should burried in that share menu, and not in the "aA" menu on the url bar
• MontagFTB 7y ago
  As an iPhone 8 owner, TIL. I was wondering where that capability went...
• rdiddly 7y ago
  It's charming how he goes out of his way not to step on any designer toes. "I’m a developer with an eye for design, but I’m certainly not a designer. So I don’t know what the solution is to these types of accidental UI bugs." No, yeah you do, you just said it in the previous paragraph: "And since iOS (and in some places now macOS, too) doesn’t offer visual affordances like scroll indicators, she had no idea there was any content further below." I don't feel bad being critical of their UI choices, precisely because Apple was the company that made a big deal about UI and how far ahead of the poor hopeless gray conforming IBM Microsoft masses they were. And I mean, yeah I would've bought it, back then. Their stuff at its best was always a holy union of simple, functional and beautiful. But function came first, then simple, and beautiful arose from that, kind of in the Zen sense. Kind of like how a well-crafted hammer can be beautiful even though it's just a hammer. But at some point they went whole-hog into putting "beautiful" first, probably because that's where the money is. If you're not careful with that, you wind up being beautiful and stupid like the popular kids in high school. A beautiful hammer with no handle is just a crappy piece of shit. Even though it might be a great hammer(head), it's crippled by its lack of a proper UI.
  • closetohome 7y ago
    I kind of hate the entire iOS 13 share sheet. Having the option to instantly send anything I happen to be looking at to my mom with an errant tap wasn't a feature I'd been missing.
    • tiglionabbit 7y ago
      It lists your mom first too? Honestly I rarely ever use any button in the "share sheet" except for Copy or Copy Link. Every time I open it I'm just searching for those Copy buttons. I'll "share" it myself with Paste. Idk how "sharing" ended up like this.
    • andrewmunsell 7y ago
      On the flip side, the quick-send list is one of my favorite features of iOS 13. Instead of the arduous process to share something to my SO before (it was something like, share > Messages > type the first couple letters of her name and choose her contact from a list of names > send), it's much easier to just (share > tap her photo > send).
• chenster 7y ago
  I'm not one of those aging parents, but it definitely bothered me when I could not find the other actions besides copy and share on my phone, then realized one must scroll to reveal additional options. WTF, the first is "flat UI", then this. Our UX is totally dictated by those no-talent ass clown designers. Seriosuly why do they keep changing the UI when it is perfectly fine?
• starpilot 7y ago
  Is OS X / iOS trying to be more like Windows? In mobile Safari, the icon in the address bar used to go straight to Reader view, now it goes to a menu with four items. It's a running theme; formerly concise, direct functions are replaced with overloaded menus like the Microsoft world.
• flavmartins 7y ago
  I've struggled with the update to the iOS Music app in iOS 13. Mainly the shuffle button. I'll leave it on quite often but then want to turn it off sometimes when I want to listen to a complete album. Couldn't find the location for the longest time. It was easy before. Now it's 2 clicks away,
• ohazi 7y ago
  > And since iOS (and in some places now macOS, too) doesn’t offer visual affordances like scroll indicators, she had no idea there was any content further below. > I’m a developer with an eye for design, but I’m certainly not a designer. So I don’t know what the solution is to these types of accidental UI bugs. Isn't it obvious? The solution is to not get rid of visual affordances like scroll indicators just because some designer thinks it looks "cleaner" that way. It may surprise some, but they actually serve a purpose.
• lux 7y ago
  The iCloud authentication issues are the real nightmare for me. I can't tell you how many times I've been rejected using the correct email and password, and how many times I've had to use the reset function only to have it mess up again immediately after. Now, on one machine I just habitually click to dismiss the iCloud window. On another, I've just moved it as far into the bottom corner of the screen as I can get it tucked away to just ignore it. I'm also working on moving my web development setup over to Windows (with their new Linux support, which is excellent) so my next machine won't have this problem.
  • pault 7y ago
    I was a MacOS user since system 9. Every one of my computers was a Mac and I never used windows for anything except the occasional game. A year ago I had to use Windows for my dev environment at work (a dotnet core shop), and I've since bought a Windows workstation for my personal dev environment and stopped using my macs completely. It's absolutely mind boggling to me that windows is now arguably a better dev environment than MacOS now that WSL is a thing, but here we are! I haven't regretted the switch at all and having access to the ocean of software for Windows has been great (minus a few things like Sketch that are Mac only). Edit: To preempt the "why not linix" comments, I have used linux on and off through the years, but I didn't enjoy spending a large fraction of my time fiddling with the OS instead of getting work done.
    • lux 7y ago
      Similar story to mine! I started on System 7 at my first industry job back in 1999. Used Linux exclusively on servers, and needed a personal laptop with a usable command line. Mac was pretty much my only option, since I wasn't interested in fighting with Linux's weak hardware compatiblity back then. Bought my first MBP in 2000 or 2001 and I'm still on one now. But since I also do a lot of VR development these days, I also have a PC both at work and home dedicated to that. VR obviously dictates my platform choice pretty heavily, so moving to Windows for web stuff makes everything simpler. WSL pretty much sealed the deal, although I wish there were more VR-capable laptops that didn't look like an army tank...
• pkamb 7y ago
  I too found that horizontal scrolling as a bit of an unintuitive change from previous versions of iOS. But the new feature above that is my favorite feature in years. Quickly iMessage your most frequent contacts. No more typing the first 2 letters of your spouse's name tens of times throughout the day. Just tap their face to iMessage them.
• jonas21 7y ago
  > I’m a developer with an eye for design, but I’m certainly not a designer. So I don’t know what the solution is to these types of accidental UI bugs. The solution is right there in his screenshot. The list of contacts and apps indicate that you can scroll along the X axis by showing a partial icon that extends off the screen. The fact that Apple didn't do this on the Y axis is an issue in this particular UI that should be fixed.
• _bxg1 7y ago
  I only figured out these new menus because I knew already that the top action used to be in the horizontally-scrolling menu, and that some other things that used to be in the latter no longer were. For the record: overall I think this new structure makes more sense; it was always weird having "Share to [App]" intermingled with random other actions. But Apple has definitely gotten worse at designing things holistically to be intuitive.
• notadoc 7y ago
  Design is how it works If it's guesswork, or not working, is it good design?
• ypeterholmes 7y ago
  This article focuses on the crop issue, but there's another issue with the UI that is more important: broken hierarchy. Saving the image is almost as important as texting it, but texting is given 90% of the share sheet. Meanwhile emailing, airdropping, tasks(!) and copying(!) are all given more importance than saving.
• oksawe 7y ago
  Nationalize it already.
• par 7y ago
  WOW. Ok I had no idea you could scroll that menu. wtf. I was also confounded by the new iOS 13 update not being able to save photos, but I got around by tapping on the pic from the conversation thread and getting a save action sheet.
• lonkw11 7y ago
  https://is.gd/yyZCzB https://is.gd/yyZCzB
• rocky1138 7y ago
  It would be handy for apps to have some sort of method of showing how far down you've scrolled on a given screen. Maybe we can call them scroll bars?
• peeters 7y ago
  Is there a solution to this in DOM+CSS? I had always wondered, we have the same issue in some of our UIs and I'm never sure if there's some pseudo-class that I haven't discovered that can style overflow without Javascript. Never got to the point of researching it in-depth but quick looks didn't find anything for me.
• chrisstanchak 7y ago
  The solution is Scott Forstall
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• yuchi 7y ago
  It has always been an iOS best practice to keep object sizes so that half an item visible if an area is scrollable, so to let the user know there’s more below the fold. Since the first iPhone I never found them breaking this guideline. Not so badly at least.
• punnerud 7y ago
  How many iOS NN Beta users are on the ‘old phones’? I think this is a serious problem because then you don’t catch the problem before the iOS is out of Beta. Same at Microsoft (in Norway) where every developer is eligible for a new PC every year.
• tiglionabbit 7y ago
  A friend of mine got bit by this sort of thing when setting up their Amazon Echo on their iPhone. When they got to the page where they were supposed to choose a wifi connection, it was perfectly cropped and showed no indication of being scrollable, so they thought those were all the networks it could see and there must be something stopping it from seeing theirs. Being a curious person, I walked through the process with them and when we got to this screen I was also confused, but I tried touching and dragging the list and sure enough it scrolled. Surprise!
• concordDance 7y ago
  So many UI issues like this could be fixed if we just brought back the bloody scroll bar! All those hidden scrollbars result in undiscoverable UI elements. They would only need to be a few pixels in width and it wouls be easy to tell that things are scrollable.
• saurik 7y ago
  > Oh my god! This is just like the dumb new Music app. I didn’t even know I could scroll down! I went a long time--months?--thinking Apple had simply removed support for "repeat song" because of this exact same issue. When someone told me to "scroll down" it was like someone said "just open that wall, the peanut butter is inside" and I'm staring at a blank wall wondering who is insane.
  • mplanchard 7y ago
    Hey, thanks! I only just learned that the scrollable area exists thanks to this comment.
• spectogarb 7y ago
  I don't how many options I've missed or hours I've wasted trying to figure out for myself or others how to do certain things because there were no visual indicators of those options... and I've even had people become disconcerted with me or devices or tech people in general because of difficult-to-decipher interfaces, sometimes to the point of someone panicking and making things worse or getting angry and argumentative. The false simplicity and "freshness" factor designers and developers are doing to change or add interfaces that cause confusion just for the sake of trying to get attention or change how something looks is a minor change for a major disfunction. If the change doesn't improve something's usability, DON'T DO IT. I just noticed today iOS changed how some buttons look and menus operate, completely unnecessarily, throwing off recognizability and flow. Totally disruptive to the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Just stop, make interfaces that are easy to understand, figure out, operate, and remember. It's much easier to leave something as is than to change it unnecessarily.
• gcbw3 7y ago
  ITT: people who do not use OSS and use apple because "it just works" doing free tech support and QA-via-tweeter to apple numerous bugs. sigh.
• conductr 7y ago
  This same bug hit me when I upgraded. I literally thought they removed the feature. Then I thought surely not, and went back and tried again. Took me a solid 2 minutes (which felt like way too long) of poking around to realize to scroll like your wife.
• ourcat 7y ago
  Bring back skeuomorphism. A little bit of shadow would sort that out ;)
• m463 7y ago
  Don't they test on people? Really, this stuff should have been caught before shipping.
• hnick 7y ago
  I had a similar issue in SQL Server Management studio when importing a database from a backup file. The window was unnecessarily large and spacious and couldn't be properly resized, and the 'OK' button was perfectly situated just off my corporate laptop's piddling small screen. For quite a while I had no idea what was happening, there was a verify/test type option which was passing and I thought would prompt me to continue but I didn't. Only after looking for tutorials online did I realise my buttons were missing. I think I fixed it by trying to resize the window. It didn't actually resize, but did jumble around the UI elements just enough to get 2 pixels of the top of the button to click on.
• ThomW 7y ago
  My god this has been confusing me for weeks.
• RootKitBeerCat 7y ago
  There’s also some really bad “ML” that reorders everything in very unpredictable ways across different Apps / UI contexts that are very similar. It’s not the worst, but it’s definitely not reminding me of a simple Apple experience
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• mafuy 7y ago
  In e.g. Windows 95, there would often be a box around the text. Since the bottom of that box would not be visible, it would indicate that something is missing in that direction. Now that boxes (and other visual indicators) are gone, this kind of thing can happen. I've always considered this a tradeoff, but I also get the feeling that some people did not even consider that the old designs had an actual reason in usability (for boxes, the second big reason is preattentive recognition in the human brain).
• nnain 7y ago
  Apple could do something smart with the Tips app – if the phone 'notices' someone not able to position the cursor, or doesn't know about the hidden gesture. They can send a quick how-to via Tips. They can even do an overlay on the screen to get people started. This is only for things like keyboard. Even the OS won't understand that somone wants to save a photo and isn't able to discover the save button.
• flqn 7y ago
  Minor nitpick: a "visual affordance" is called a signifier. A button affords clicking, the visual style of the button signifies its affordances.
• brownbat 7y ago
  If you're ditching the scroll bar, maybe just add a dark triangle to the lower left corner of the screen, just a few pixels, as a "continued below" indicator. Have it disappear when you're at the bottom. That's the most minimal UI element I can think of that would people if they're at the end of a screen or not.
• buyingarmor 7y ago
  I wish we could put contacts from different apps in the share sheet. iMessage isn’t really s thing where I’m from.
• jakub_g 7y ago
  One way to design UI to make this discoverable without scrollbars would be to do a transparency 100% to 0% gradient at the bottom. That way the copy button would be semi-transparent/vanishing which might trigger the user to scroll down.