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Spain orders blocks on Archive.today and its mirrors

521 points by latein 27d ago

torcete 27d ago
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peri-cl 27d ago
https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9
- Jare 27d ago
  "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain)
  - embedding-shape 27d ago
    Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP. Edit: eeh, that's a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn't work? Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you'll get either a tls error that the certificate isn't matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary "You're contributing to something illegal blah blah".
    - jachee 27d ago
      There’s a whole network of “archive.<something>” sites under the “archive.today” umbrella. I’ve seen .is .ps .md .ph and .at, at least.
  - Imustaskforhelp 27d ago
    > "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain) Here you go, this should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimelannister.github.io/htmlpipe/?https://ppng.io/2YdN9_3 https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel... (an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though) (this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D)
  - yuppiepuppie 26d ago
    Same - 502 with Movistar
- beezlewax 25d ago
  This link currently works in spain
- Lio 27d ago
  This is so funny. An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read! That’s Brilliant! :D
  - deleted 27d ago
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  - tyrabound 27d ago
    I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet. I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune. If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire. Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.
    - deleted 27d ago
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    - altmanaltman 27d ago
      How would a soviet style implosion of the US work in real life? A civil war is far more likely and we already have historical precedence for that. And your AI robot cybernetic splinter group thing sounds a lot like the biblical story of Noah than anything that's based on science or you know facts.
      - DANmode 27d ago
        Chaotic coincidences, because the empire is too large to control all of its interests. Could have been avoided - too much money to be made in the various stages of it not being avoided.
- calgoo 27d ago
  This is working fine for me in spain so far....
- cluckindan 27d ago
  ”archive dot is” is a part of the same DDoS network of sites. Don’t use them!
  - sapphicsnail 27d ago
    Feel free to link the whole article through a different site
    - latexr 27d ago
      https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-to...
      - KellyCriterion 25d ago
        Unwall app is cool bot by far as not reliable as Arhicve.ph/.today, as I have seen over the last weeks
  - dudisubekti 27d ago
    https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimth... Vs https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9 One has paywall, one doesn't... Sorry man, people will keep DDoSing some random guy's blog. It's a service problem lol
    - RobotToaster 27d ago
      The funny thing is the blog is hosted on wordpress.com, so it's tantamount to trying to ddos Google.
      - dudisubekti 27d ago
        Yeah, the archive guy should just leave the blog alone instead of triggering Streissand effect lol
- alkyon 27d ago
  I live in Spain and can still enjoy access to this site. This is enforced by major ISPs (Vodafone among others), so anyone sane just opts for a local ISP (if they have a choice)
  - apexalpha 27d ago
    How is it enforced? IP or DNS?
    - alkyon 27d ago
      According to this site https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-oficial-11138 https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-ofi..., they use SNI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication)
      - alkyon 27d ago
        Enabling ESNI in Firefox should be a countermeasure (encrypted SNI extension of the TLS so that hostname is no longer sent in plain text) https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-a-feature-to-disable-sni https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-...
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        mitxela 27d ago
        It's not magic. archive.is has no HTTPS record, so ESNI cannot be used.
        1vuio0pswjnm7 26d ago
        That superuser thread from 2018 (it's ECH now not ESNI) isn't much help Although I do like the comment at the bottom that states the problem as disabling SNI not encrypting it. Encrypting SNI/ClientHello is over complicated, which is why ESNI was flawed and (allegedly) why Cloudflare disabled it. The solution to the plaintext SNI problem is to not send SNI (I don't send it unless necessary) There is an alternative non-TLS method of encrypting traffic, per packet, that allows hosting multiple websites on the same IP. I use it in the homelab. It proves that TLS and SNI is not the only way There's also a popular archive of www content that does not require SNI. It's older and larger than Cloudflare The problem with software like Firefox is that it automatically sends SNI to every website no matter if SNI is required or not. The superuser thread mentions a Firefox add-on that no longer works. If Firefox is open source then why not just edit the code and recompile Clearly, Mozilla is not going to provide a solution. It would rather add support for ESNI and then ECH as opposed to giving users an option to diable sending SNI Mozilla is pro-surveillance advertising, Cloudflare is pro-surveillance advertising Fortunately, not every HTTPS website is hosted on a shared IP, not every HTTPS website requires SNI. And popular web browsers derived from Mozilla and Google are not the only user agents A couple of ways to not send SNI 1. Use an SSL client, e.g., openssl s_client, bssl client, etc. 2. Use a local forward proxy, e.g., stunnel, haproxy, etc. Even if Cloudflare enables ECH across all the websites it controls, and we have been waiting for years, there is still the issue of SSL termination by Cloudflare. For many of those sites, all the TLS traffic, not just the SNI, is available as plaintext to Cloudflare and to whomever Cloudflare, a US corporation, may or must share it with
- mitxela 27d ago
  Since no court was involved, the accusation that the user is trying to access an illegal website is itself an illegal accusation.
- rainelli 26d ago
  This dude has blocked archive.is for the whole of Finland because he has a beef with a Finnish blogger. What a swell guy, but it's his project.
  - Anonyneko 26d ago
    Ah, so that's why it never works for me.
    - RoryH 26d ago
      Most likely is that you are using Cloudflare DNS: https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked
      - Anonyneko 25d ago
        I use the default one from my carrier, but I've previously tried Google and other DNS servers to no avail. For some reason the site doesn't even open for me through a VPN.
  - eyya 26d ago
    example.com blocks Iran for nothing
    - trumpdong 25d ago
      It's a legal requirement, all US sites must block Iran due to sanctions.
      - eyya 25d ago
        HN does not
  - remix2000 26d ago
    Not a "beef", but rather some petty blogger spun up a campaign to dox the owner of archive.today, who you can imagine has their reasons not to publish their identity.
- rhaps0dy 25d ago
  I was able to read this from Spain! A few days ago archive.ph/archive.is were blocked but now they're not somehow.
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dmortin 27d ago
Does archive.is have problems? I tried this article with it and it didn't work: https://www.wsj.com/business/entrepreneurship/burned-out-and-unemployed-young-people-in-china-are-launching-ai-startups-c5ebcdc3 https://www.wsj.com/business/entrepreneurship/burned-out-and... Error: Invalid InterceptionId.
- amadeoeoeo 27d ago
  Since a few months archive.is is "unstable" from Spain. I thought the reason is the ISP but sometimes by just reloading it works... Can anybody shed some light?
  - embedding-shape 27d ago
    Since a few months archive.is is unstable regardless of where I connect from, Spain or not. Are others not seeing the same thing? Maybe 20% of the times I try to use it the servers aren't responding.
- cluckindan 27d ago
  Avoid those archive sites like the plague. They are not trustworthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...
  - apexalpha 27d ago
    They are the only reliable way for me to read proper news in Economist / FT / WSJ / WashingtonPost etc... Well except paying $300 a month I guess.
    - no-name-here 27d ago
      > They are the only reliable way for me to read proper news in Economist / FT / WSJ / WashingtonPost etc... > Well except paying $300 a month It looks like the WSJ is available for $2/mo or the WaPo for $2.50 mo. You probably don’t need all of them simultaneously as they frequently cover the same topics, including pretty much all of the big news stories - subscribe to one for a year then switch to another. And even if you aren’t subscribed to all of them you are still contributing in a small way to keeping good journalism alive.
outside1234 27d ago
Did they find a La Liga game on it or something?
- deleted 27d ago
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miohtama 27d ago
Modern Spain is having patchy record with digital age. Earlier: 1. Blocked Telegram with a court order, reinstituted after public backslash 2. Blocks Internet and Cloudflare during La Liga matches 3. Prime minister Pedro Sanchez from Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party (PSOE) has demanded the end of anonymity in Internet They say it is to protect the kids, but likely it is to find out who watches La Liga without a premium subscription.
- jimbob45 27d ago
  What happened to Spain? They didn’t get hit by WW2 and yet…are a distant sixth in economic size behind even Russia.
  - guille_ 27d ago
    PSOE happened
    - embedding-shape 27d ago
      > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. But then again, discussing politics hardly ever gets less divisive here or elsewhere.
      - mdp2021 27d ago
        The fault in that comment is to be unsupported by arguments. Otherwise, there would be no divisiveness in fairly assessing measures in Economics.
    - lnsru 27d ago
      I was been there. I mean socialist fantasy and everyone was equally poor except party members. It is astonishing to watch this shit happening in different countries with different cultures during long period of time. But with same end. And it is not prosperity. This time in Berlin as recent example: https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-election-housing-crisis-left-party/ https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-election-housing-cris...
Imustaskforhelp 27d ago
I'd built something which can allow people to archive archive.is pages on archive.org. https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-can-use-it-for-archive/ https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca... This could perhaps be used for this purpose. I have submitted it on hackernews once again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773417 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773417 (Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47574562 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47574562)
cluckindan 27d ago
This is a welcome development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...
- sunaookami 27d ago
  That's not a reason to censor it at the state level.
  - cluckindan 27d ago
    Why not?
    - mitxela 27d ago
      Why is it? You don't get to censor important sources of information and then literally just cite "why not?" as the reason.
      - ctenb 26d ago
        The linked wiki page lists the reasons. You can't just say these are not good reasons without saying why
        mitxela 26d ago
        Which one of them justifies the government putting you in prison for accessing the information?
        iamnothere 26d ago
        “Protecting democracy” or something Orwellian like that
        mitxela 26d ago
janandonly 27d ago
Access to information feels to me like a human right. Blocking that by any means (legal blockade, price unrealistic high) feels like an infringement on a Human Right. I know this isn’t the way the world works yet, but a Human can dream.
- latexr 27d ago
  Idealistically, I agree with access to information. But how do you square that (and I don’t have a solution) with the proliferation of misinformation used to manipulate the population or the access to dangerous information such as building bombs and bio weapons?
  - anon48293 27d ago
    That knowledge is already available and generally people don’t build bombs or bioweapons. Otherwise they could still go to university and learn all that if they so wish
    - latexr 27d ago
      It is available, and searching for it is a good way to end up on a list. It is hilarious how you gave “go to university” as an option, as if all universities were accessible to anyone and taught classes on this. I also couldn’t help but notice you completely glossed over the much more important point of misinformation for manipulation.
      - mitxela 27d ago
        Almost everyone is on many lists. Has it helped?
    - berkes 27d ago
      Misinformation is unfortunately also available. And contrary to "information to build bombs and bioweapons", it's doing actual harm. To societies, economies and above all, to individuals.
sehw 27d ago
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nottorp 27d ago
Apparently all of south western europe blocks half the internet in the name of football. Besides Spain there's also Italy, France, Portugal and surprisingly the UK somewhat.
- chronogamous 27d ago
  Your comment has got me genuinely intrigued. Would you care to elaborate how football has anything to do with the internet at all? (I'm writing this from northern Europe & as someone who has been avoiding football like the plague most of his life)
  - cimi_ 27d ago
    The TV rights holders for football matches want to block pirate streams by any means necessary. Spain appears to be the worst, people get arrested in the UK for profiting off streams (so far, but the communication is pretty aggressive towards consumers too), I don't know about the other countries mentioned.
    - chronogamous 27d ago
      Wow, that's insane! If TV right holders actually got their way, it would enable them to control how a match is framed, and manipulate how the match is perceived at a country-level. Surely everybody watching should be able to see the same match being played, regardless of who controls the camera? The situation you describe sounds like a recipe for corruption and exploitation!
      - SiempreViernes 26d ago
        Really struggling to tell if this is meant as satire or not.
        sandblast 26d ago
        Even if it is, it doesn't make sense for me. Pirate streams changing the… framing? The author tried to be sarcastic, but it didn't really work out.
nickreese 27d ago
Fun fact I learned in Spain recently. They block Cloudflare Edge IPs during soccer games. Took me a long time to figure out why I was having intermittent outages.
- michalhosna 26d ago
  Not only Cloudflare. They block IP Ranges of many CDNs during the matches.
  - littlecranky67 26d ago
    Which blocks docker hub images. You cant fetch an image during a match.
    - joquarky 26d ago
      This is what happens when you let the crypto bros take over the industry. Wave a little cash and they won't say "no".
      - brettermeier 26d ago
        Upvote this.
        brettermeier 26d ago
        Downvote this!
    - artisinal 26d ago
      Typical Spain. Making the country less productive so the football billionaires can get richer.
- dawkins 26d ago
  for many months I could not access the Linux Mint website... because of this.
happa 27d ago
Personally, I welcome this. Archive.today has been blocking my country from using the site for years and for no good reason. Maybe if enough countries block the site, someone more reasonable will build an alternative.
- abc123abc123 27d ago
  Brilliant! I cannot have this service, so I am happy that others cannot have it as well. You make me sick.
  - bl4kers 26d ago
    If it's an unreliable and untrustworthy site (which it is) then it's not of value to much of anyone. Archiving requires both of those things
    - mitxela 26d ago
      Where's your better site?
pvaldes 27d ago
The full list of webs blocked by copyright issues can be downloaded from the web of the Spanish government here: https://www.cultura.gob.es/dam/jcr:919c6bd2-17b2-43d1-98f5-dd19a3e68e16/listado-wipo-alert-completo.pdf https://www.cultura.gob.es/dam/jcr:919c6bd2-17b2-43d1-98f5-d...
- RobotToaster 27d ago
  Incredibly helpful of the Spanish government to compile a list of free media sites :D
- EmbarrassedHelp 26d ago
  Though that doesn't contain the millions of sites and IP addresses that get blocked everything there is a football match happening.
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_ink_ 27d ago
Lies are for free, while the truth is behind paywalls. This is not going to end well. Edit: why is it that Billionaires just fund fake news. Are there no "white hat" billionaires that could fund an opposition to that?
- no-name-here 27d ago
  > Lies are for free, while the truth is behind paywalls. This is not going to end well. Not just paywalls - sites have also tried ads, although those don’t have great results either. But I agree with your overall point.
- mitxela 27d ago
  White hat people aren't allowed to become billionaires.
- AngryData 26d ago
  Decent people don't become billionaires because they recognize they already have enough money to cover everything they and everyone in their family for the next 100+ years could ever want or need.
pantulis 27d ago
Spaniard here, it's interesting that I haven't noticed any disruption with archive.is in the last weeks. Just checked today and though that it might be iCloud relay, but i don't have it enabled. I'm only using Google's DNS and am too lazy to try with my ISP ones. Compare this to the absolute mayhem with the soccer matches blocking that will bring down an inordinate amount of legitimate sites during a match. Not sure what are the technical measures they are deploying in one case or the other but I suspect that when Telefonica is involved they bring the big guns.
- otherme123 26d ago
  I am blocked, now need to access it through VPN. Using pepephone/orange.
lmf4lol 27d ago
very socialist from them!
hk1337 27d ago
Isn’t that site the one the maintainer is known for altering pages or something?
- Hamuko 26d ago
  Yes. It's not allowed on Wikipedia after that was found out.
- winkelmann 25d ago
  They also used their visitors to DoS other sites, Cloudflare's malware blocking resolver (1.1.1.2) blocks their domains: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255
sharktheone 27d ago
I feel like archive.today is as important as webarchive is. Not only for uptime redundancy, but also redundancy in what they capture.
- latexr 26d ago
  The Internet Archive is a non-profit we can trace back to real people, while archive.today is owned by who-knows-who and they have engaged in DDoS attacks and tampering with archives. They have revealed themselves untrustworthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_Gyrovague_and_Wikipedia's_restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_G...
  - iamnothere 26d ago
    IA doesn’t bypass paywalls when archiving, so it’s the only option we have for that, imperfect as it is.
    - latexr 26d ago
      Regardless, they are not “as important” and you should exercise caution. In addition, they are not the only option, there is also https://unwall.app https://unwall.app.
      - iamnothere 26d ago
        Unwall looks nice, and I hope they stick around. There’s been a number of these paywall bypass apps over the years, but only archive.is has survived over time.
        leoc_ 26d ago
        > I hope they stick around Hard to do when they're streaming sports in the same domain..
      - samizdis 25d ago
welwala 26d ago
Ahhh crap. I noticed that earlier today. Archive.today blocks some DNS providers like CloudFlare and I thought I had ended up on the wrong DNS again. Time to fix that by running a real DNS and not just a forwarder though. Edit: Hmm it seems like they are not just blocking at DNS level :(
an0malous 26d ago
Why does Cloudflare Warp block archive.today? Did they just get strong-armed by publishers or ISPs or some other reason?
- ploxiln 26d ago
  archive.today (etc) does not properly serve dns results to cloudflare dns servers, because they do not include EDNS subnet information in the query https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked
  - an0malous 26d ago
    Oh interesting, thanks
kennywinker 26d ago
File a complaint about chatgpt? I assume they’ve slurped up all of archive.org’s content
- jdiff 26d ago
  Archive.org is not archive.today.
sage981 26d ago
Guess my `archive.today` bookmarks are going to need a VPN now. So much for preserving web history without extra hoops.
anonzzzies 26d ago
Not sure what they are doing, but I am in Spain; most non tech people friends who like football have a little 'device' they get from their local friendly 'internet installer' which gives them free(-ish; they pay a few Euro per month, I guess for the VPN?) football (+ any other tv/movies/etc). And this is non tech friends who wouldn't know what a VPN is for the 1 million$ question on that show. So clearly it's all kind of useless (we know). And so far Starlink (I cannot get anything else on my farm) seems to not have joined in the fun; I can reach anything still; probably not a big enough target.
- albatrosstrophy 26d ago
  Sounds like IPTV streaming
  - hsiudh 26d ago
    yeah, is 100% an IPTV app loaded into a firestick or a shady Android box ( most likely with some botnet installed or a backdoor); you can also get it by downloading the app directly to you TV. This are resellers of the big providers, they buy accounts in bulk, then pay a second service to filter all the non spanish channel, generate the playlist and add a markup.
- matheusmoreira 26d ago
  It's a politico-technological arms race. They make their laws. We make technology that completely nullifies their laws. They need to increase their tyranny in order to enjoy the same level of control they had before. The end state is either a totalitarian government or an uncontrollable population. Getting around these silly blocks feels good, but these governments really don't like it when we do that. I used to think that we'd find some kind of equilibrium along the way, that we'd eventually discover the government's limits: some principle they refuse to break, some line they refuse to cross... But the truth is these tyrants have zero limits. They really don't like losing their power over us, and will react with the most orwellian mesures imaginable, and they'll tell us it's all justified.
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BatteryMountain 26d ago
State Capture.
usernametaken29 26d ago
We’ll wait a minute here! Why not call it LLM-archive.today??? Obviously we’re not trying to hurt someone’s copyright!!! We’re making a derivative work from it!!! An LLM! So Europe can be cool too!! Oh but you’re saying downloading the entire internet in the process violates someone’s copyright?? Well now, don’t be dramatic, what if we fall behind China?? Surely a little copyright can be violated for that. /rant that I have in my head whenever someone complains to the government about copyright. Either charge LLM providers for copyright violations, or be done with it, and declare copyright dead. Can’t have it both ways, or sooner or later people will figure out a loophole to it anyways.
anilakar 26d ago
The Kremlin troll admin has already blocked my country, nothing of value was lost. https://gyrovague.com/2026/02/01/archive-today-is-directing-a-ddos-attack-against-my-blog/ https://gyrovague.com/2026/02/01/archive-today-is-directing-...
- mitxela 26d ago
  Isn't that accusation, if true, just a case of FAFO?
  - anilakar 25d ago
    > Isn't that accusation, if true Trying to insult someone by calling them gay and nazi[1] is straight out of the Russian online troll playbook. Nobody except people who personally drink that Kool-Aid would resort to such boring insults. > just a case of FAFO? Who fucked around and what did they find out? [1] https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/807369905134518272/the-finne-troll-published-his-response-with https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/807369905134518272/the-fi...
coopykins 26d ago
Every single day, I find another reason to be ashamed of my country. We're on a speedrun to turn a modern democratic country into a corrupt shithole in every way imaginable.
- anax32 26d ago
  We all feel like this in Europe. It's crazy. How are the politicians all like this?
  - letmetweakit 26d ago
    Imagine living in the US then …
  - stingraycharles 26d ago
    Maybe people are feeling confident to put their masks off with the stuff that’s happening in the US?
  - mitxela 26d ago
    Because they're not terminally online and don't know why this is bad. But they do know that making the rich less rich is bad, just like in the US. Europe retains more counterculture than the US does, but not enough.
  - mvdwoord 25d ago
    How de we keep voting on the same group of people/ideas?
    - trumpdong 25d ago
      Europe has so many parties. But they all agree on this because to disagree would be to attract an aerial democracy delivery from the USA.
      - modo_mario 25d ago
        It never gets to that in countries already deeply aligned. They all agree on this because it will be a hidden sticking point for some others, If that's not an impediment some lobyists will make it so. If that doesn't work us ambassadors, state departments and/or USTR will pressure or even put you on a trade watchlist. If that doesn't work some 3 letter agency folks will land on a domestic airfield and have some talks. If that doesn't work some media might peculiarly shift it's tone. etc
nullbio 26d ago
Corruption hates archives.
holt62 26d ago
Guess I'll be spinning up my own proxy to access old links now. Good luck blocking the internet, Spain; that'll work.
flanked-evergl 26d ago
This will not make the news in Norway even though it's much more egregious that just about everything Trump has done (not said, but done).
craniumjello 26d ago
No freesome presses anywhere
shevy-java 26d ago
Dictatorship. It's quite interesting to see how all these fake-democracies resort to willy-nilly censosrhip. Usually USA under Trump is the biggest hypocrite, but it is amazing how many EU countries are not that much better really. We need a global colour-map based on objective factors with regards to censorship. And then we need to replace the lobbyists that act as decoy politicians establishing censorship such as the one shown here. That's clearly a corrupt clique working.
UltraSane 25d ago
That is stupid.
barbazoo 25d ago
This and the soccer schedule internet blocking, the government just completely taken over by IP lobbyists?

521 points by latein 27d ago

torcete 27d ago

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peri-cl 27d ago

https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9

Jare 27d ago
"502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain)
- embedding-shape 27d ago
  Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP. Edit: eeh, that's a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn't work? Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you'll get either a tls error that the certificate isn't matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary "You're contributing to something illegal blah blah".
  - jachee 27d ago
    There’s a whole network of “archive.<something>” sites under the “archive.today” umbrella. I’ve seen .is .ps .md .ph and .at, at least.
- Imustaskforhelp 27d ago
  > "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain) Here you go, this should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimelannister.github.io/htmlpipe/?https://ppng.io/2YdN9_3 https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel... (an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though) (this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D)
- yuppiepuppie 26d ago
  Same - 502 with Movistar
beezlewax 25d ago
This link currently works in spain
Lio 27d ago
This is so funny. An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read! That’s Brilliant! :D
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- tyrabound 27d ago
  I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet. I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune. If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire. Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”.
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  - altmanaltman 27d ago
    How would a soviet style implosion of the US work in real life? A civil war is far more likely and we already have historical precedence for that. And your AI robot cybernetic splinter group thing sounds a lot like the biblical story of Noah than anything that's based on science or you know facts.
    - DANmode 27d ago
      Chaotic coincidences, because the empire is too large to control all of its interests. Could have been avoided - too much money to be made in the various stages of it not being avoided.
calgoo 27d ago
This is working fine for me in spain so far....
cluckindan 27d ago
”archive dot is” is a part of the same DDoS network of sites. Don’t use them!
- sapphicsnail 27d ago
  Feel free to link the whole article through a different site
  - latexr 27d ago
    https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://unwall.app/reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-to...
    - KellyCriterion 25d ago
      Unwall app is cool bot by far as not reliable as Arhicve.ph/.today, as I have seen over the last weeks
- dudisubekti 27d ago
  https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimthenet.org/spain-blocks-archive-today-and-mirrors https://web.archive.org/web/20260920061809/https://reclaimth... Vs https://archive.is/2YdN9 https://archive.is/2YdN9 One has paywall, one doesn't... Sorry man, people will keep DDoSing some random guy's blog. It's a service problem lol
  - RobotToaster 27d ago
    The funny thing is the blog is hosted on wordpress.com, so it's tantamount to trying to ddos Google.
    - dudisubekti 27d ago
      Yeah, the archive guy should just leave the blog alone instead of triggering Streissand effect lol
alkyon 27d ago
I live in Spain and can still enjoy access to this site. This is enforced by major ISPs (Vodafone among others), so anyone sane just opts for a local ISP (if they have a choice)
- apexalpha 27d ago
  How is it enforced? IP or DNS?
  - alkyon 27d ago
    According to this site https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-oficial-11138 https://bandaancha.eu/articulos/gobierno-tiene-lista-web-ofi..., they use SNI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication)
    - alkyon 27d ago
      Enabling ESNI in Firefox should be a countermeasure (encrypted SNI extension of the TLS so that hostname is no longer sent in plain text) https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-a-feature-to-disable-sni https://superuser.com/questions/1346634/modern-browser-with-...
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      - mitxela 27d ago
        It's not magic. archive.is has no HTTPS record, so ESNI cannot be used.
      - 1vuio0pswjnm7 26d ago
        That superuser thread from 2018 (it's ECH now not ESNI) isn't much help Although I do like the comment at the bottom that states the problem as disabling SNI not encrypting it. Encrypting SNI/ClientHello is over complicated, which is why ESNI was flawed and (allegedly) why Cloudflare disabled it. The solution to the plaintext SNI problem is to not send SNI (I don't send it unless necessary) There is an alternative non-TLS method of encrypting traffic, per packet, that allows hosting multiple websites on the same IP. I use it in the homelab. It proves that TLS and SNI is not the only way There's also a popular archive of www content that does not require SNI. It's older and larger than Cloudflare The problem with software like Firefox is that it automatically sends SNI to every website no matter if SNI is required or not. The superuser thread mentions a Firefox add-on that no longer works. If Firefox is open source then why not just edit the code and recompile Clearly, Mozilla is not going to provide a solution. It would rather add support for ESNI and then ECH as opposed to giving users an option to diable sending SNI Mozilla is pro-surveillance advertising, Cloudflare is pro-surveillance advertising Fortunately, not every HTTPS website is hosted on a shared IP, not every HTTPS website requires SNI. And popular web browsers derived from Mozilla and Google are not the only user agents A couple of ways to not send SNI 1. Use an SSL client, e.g., openssl s_client, bssl client, etc. 2. Use a local forward proxy, e.g., stunnel, haproxy, etc. Even if Cloudflare enables ECH across all the websites it controls, and we have been waiting for years, there is still the issue of SSL termination by Cloudflare. For many of those sites, all the TLS traffic, not just the SNI, is available as plaintext to Cloudflare and to whomever Cloudflare, a US corporation, may or must share it with
mitxela 27d ago
Since no court was involved, the accusation that the user is trying to access an illegal website is itself an illegal accusation.
rainelli 26d ago
This dude has blocked archive.is for the whole of Finland because he has a beef with a Finnish blogger. What a swell guy, but it's his project.
- Anonyneko 26d ago
  Ah, so that's why it never works for me.
  - RoryH 26d ago
    Most likely is that you are using Cloudflare DNS: https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked
    - Anonyneko 25d ago
      I use the default one from my carrier, but I've previously tried Google and other DNS servers to no avail. For some reason the site doesn't even open for me through a VPN.
- eyya 26d ago
  example.com blocks Iran for nothing
  - trumpdong 25d ago
    It's a legal requirement, all US sites must block Iran due to sanctions.
    - eyya 25d ago
      HN does not
- remix2000 26d ago
  Not a "beef", but rather some petty blogger spun up a campaign to dox the owner of archive.today, who you can imagine has their reasons not to publish their identity.
rhaps0dy 25d ago
I was able to read this from Spain! A few days ago archive.ph/archive.is were blocked but now they're not somehow.

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dmortin 27d ago

Does archive.is have problems? I tried this article with it and it didn't work: https://www.wsj.com/business/entrepreneurship/burned-out-and-unemployed-young-people-in-china-are-launching-ai-startups-c5ebcdc3 https://www.wsj.com/business/entrepreneurship/burned-out-and... Error: Invalid InterceptionId.

amadeoeoeo 27d ago
Since a few months archive.is is "unstable" from Spain. I thought the reason is the ISP but sometimes by just reloading it works... Can anybody shed some light?
- embedding-shape 27d ago
  Since a few months archive.is is unstable regardless of where I connect from, Spain or not. Are others not seeing the same thing? Maybe 20% of the times I try to use it the servers aren't responding.
cluckindan 27d ago
Avoid those archive sites like the plague. They are not trustworthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...
- apexalpha 27d ago
  They are the only reliable way for me to read proper news in Economist / FT / WSJ / WashingtonPost etc... Well except paying $300 a month I guess.
  - no-name-here 27d ago
    > They are the only reliable way for me to read proper news in Economist / FT / WSJ / WashingtonPost etc... > Well except paying $300 a month It looks like the WSJ is available for $2/mo or the WaPo for $2.50 mo. You probably don’t need all of them simultaneously as they frequently cover the same topics, including pretty much all of the big news stories - subscribe to one for a year then switch to another. And even if you aren’t subscribed to all of them you are still contributing in a small way to keeping good journalism alive.

outside1234 27d ago

Did they find a La Liga game on it or something?

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miohtama 27d ago

Modern Spain is having patchy record with digital age. Earlier: 1. Blocked Telegram with a court order, reinstituted after public backslash 2. Blocks Internet and Cloudflare during La Liga matches 3. Prime minister Pedro Sanchez from Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party (PSOE) has demanded the end of anonymity in Internet They say it is to protect the kids, but likely it is to find out who watches La Liga without a premium subscription.

jimbob45 27d ago
What happened to Spain? They didn’t get hit by WW2 and yet…are a distant sixth in economic size behind even Russia.
- guille_ 27d ago
  PSOE happened
  - embedding-shape 27d ago
    > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. But then again, discussing politics hardly ever gets less divisive here or elsewhere.
    - mdp2021 27d ago
      The fault in that comment is to be unsupported by arguments. Otherwise, there would be no divisiveness in fairly assessing measures in Economics.
  - lnsru 27d ago
    I was been there. I mean socialist fantasy and everyone was equally poor except party members. It is astonishing to watch this shit happening in different countries with different cultures during long period of time. But with same end. And it is not prosperity. This time in Berlin as recent example: https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-election-housing-crisis-left-party/ https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-election-housing-cris...

Imustaskforhelp 27d ago

I'd built something which can allow people to archive archive.is pages on archive.org. https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-can-use-it-for-archive/ https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca... This could perhaps be used for this purpose. I have submitted it on hackernews once again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773417 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773417 (Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47574562 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47574562)

cluckindan 27d ago

This is a welcome development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

sunaookami 27d ago
That's not a reason to censor it at the state level.
- cluckindan 27d ago
  Why not?
  - mitxela 27d ago
    Why is it? You don't get to censor important sources of information and then literally just cite "why not?" as the reason.
    - ctenb 26d ago
      The linked wiki page lists the reasons. You can't just say these are not good reasons without saying why
      - mitxela 26d ago
        Which one of them justifies the government putting you in prison for accessing the information?
        iamnothere 26d ago
        “Protecting democracy” or something Orwellian like that
        mitxela 26d ago

janandonly 27d ago

Access to information feels to me like a human right. Blocking that by any means (legal blockade, price unrealistic high) feels like an infringement on a Human Right. I know this isn’t the way the world works yet, but a Human can dream.

latexr 27d ago
Idealistically, I agree with access to information. But how do you square that (and I don’t have a solution) with the proliferation of misinformation used to manipulate the population or the access to dangerous information such as building bombs and bio weapons?
- anon48293 27d ago
  That knowledge is already available and generally people don’t build bombs or bioweapons. Otherwise they could still go to university and learn all that if they so wish
  - latexr 27d ago
    It is available, and searching for it is a good way to end up on a list. It is hilarious how you gave “go to university” as an option, as if all universities were accessible to anyone and taught classes on this. I also couldn’t help but notice you completely glossed over the much more important point of misinformation for manipulation.
    - mitxela 27d ago
      Almost everyone is on many lists. Has it helped?
  - berkes 27d ago
    Misinformation is unfortunately also available. And contrary to "information to build bombs and bioweapons", it's doing actual harm. To societies, economies and above all, to individuals.

sehw 27d ago

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nottorp 27d ago

Apparently all of south western europe blocks half the internet in the name of football. Besides Spain there's also Italy, France, Portugal and surprisingly the UK somewhat.

chronogamous 27d ago
Your comment has got me genuinely intrigued. Would you care to elaborate how football has anything to do with the internet at all? (I'm writing this from northern Europe & as someone who has been avoiding football like the plague most of his life)
- cimi_ 27d ago
  The TV rights holders for football matches want to block pirate streams by any means necessary. Spain appears to be the worst, people get arrested in the UK for profiting off streams (so far, but the communication is pretty aggressive towards consumers too), I don't know about the other countries mentioned.
  - chronogamous 27d ago
    Wow, that's insane! If TV right holders actually got their way, it would enable them to control how a match is framed, and manipulate how the match is perceived at a country-level. Surely everybody watching should be able to see the same match being played, regardless of who controls the camera? The situation you describe sounds like a recipe for corruption and exploitation!
    - SiempreViernes 26d ago
      Really struggling to tell if this is meant as satire or not.
      - sandblast 26d ago
        Even if it is, it doesn't make sense for me. Pirate streams changing the… framing? The author tried to be sarcastic, but it didn't really work out.

nickreese 27d ago

Fun fact I learned in Spain recently. They block Cloudflare Edge IPs during soccer games. Took me a long time to figure out why I was having intermittent outages.

michalhosna 26d ago
Not only Cloudflare. They block IP Ranges of many CDNs during the matches.
- littlecranky67 26d ago
  Which blocks docker hub images. You cant fetch an image during a match.
  - joquarky 26d ago
    This is what happens when you let the crypto bros take over the industry. Wave a little cash and they won't say "no".
    - brettermeier 26d ago
      Upvote this.
      - brettermeier 26d ago
        Downvote this!
  - artisinal 26d ago
    Typical Spain. Making the country less productive so the football billionaires can get richer.
dawkins 26d ago
for many months I could not access the Linux Mint website... because of this.

happa 27d ago

Personally, I welcome this. Archive.today has been blocking my country from using the site for years and for no good reason. Maybe if enough countries block the site, someone more reasonable will build an alternative.

abc123abc123 27d ago
Brilliant! I cannot have this service, so I am happy that others cannot have it as well. You make me sick.
- bl4kers 26d ago
  If it's an unreliable and untrustworthy site (which it is) then it's not of value to much of anyone. Archiving requires both of those things
  - mitxela 26d ago
    Where's your better site?

pvaldes 27d ago

The full list of webs blocked by copyright issues can be downloaded from the web of the Spanish government here: https://www.cultura.gob.es/dam/jcr:919c6bd2-17b2-43d1-98f5-dd19a3e68e16/listado-wipo-alert-completo.pdf https://www.cultura.gob.es/dam/jcr:919c6bd2-17b2-43d1-98f5-d...

RobotToaster 27d ago
Incredibly helpful of the Spanish government to compile a list of free media sites :D
EmbarrassedHelp 26d ago
Though that doesn't contain the millions of sites and IP addresses that get blocked everything there is a football match happening.

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_ink_ 27d ago

Lies are for free, while the truth is behind paywalls. This is not going to end well. Edit: why is it that Billionaires just fund fake news. Are there no "white hat" billionaires that could fund an opposition to that?

no-name-here 27d ago
> Lies are for free, while the truth is behind paywalls. This is not going to end well. Not just paywalls - sites have also tried ads, although those don’t have great results either. But I agree with your overall point.
mitxela 27d ago
White hat people aren't allowed to become billionaires.
AngryData 26d ago
Decent people don't become billionaires because they recognize they already have enough money to cover everything they and everyone in their family for the next 100+ years could ever want or need.

pantulis 27d ago

Spaniard here, it's interesting that I haven't noticed any disruption with archive.is in the last weeks. Just checked today and though that it might be iCloud relay, but i don't have it enabled. I'm only using Google's DNS and am too lazy to try with my ISP ones. Compare this to the absolute mayhem with the soccer matches blocking that will bring down an inordinate amount of legitimate sites during a match. Not sure what are the technical measures they are deploying in one case or the other but I suspect that when Telefonica is involved they bring the big guns.

otherme123 26d ago
I am blocked, now need to access it through VPN. Using pepephone/orange.

lmf4lol 27d ago

very socialist from them!

hk1337 27d ago

Isn’t that site the one the maintainer is known for altering pages or something?

Hamuko 26d ago
Yes. It's not allowed on Wikipedia after that was found out.
winkelmann 25d ago
They also used their visitors to DoS other sites, Cloudflare's malware blocking resolver (1.1.1.2) blocks their domains: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255

sharktheone 27d ago

I feel like archive.today is as important as webarchive is. Not only for uptime redundancy, but also redundancy in what they capture.

latexr 26d ago
The Internet Archive is a non-profit we can trace back to real people, while archive.today is owned by who-knows-who and they have engaged in DDoS attacks and tampering with archives. They have revealed themselves untrustworthy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_Gyrovague_and_Wikipedia's_restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today#2026_attack_on_G...
- iamnothere 26d ago
  IA doesn’t bypass paywalls when archiving, so it’s the only option we have for that, imperfect as it is.
  - latexr 26d ago
    Regardless, they are not “as important” and you should exercise caution. In addition, they are not the only option, there is also https://unwall.app https://unwall.app.
    - iamnothere 26d ago
      Unwall looks nice, and I hope they stick around. There’s been a number of these paywall bypass apps over the years, but only archive.is has survived over time.
      - leoc_ 26d ago
        > I hope they stick around Hard to do when they're streaming sports in the same domain..
    - samizdis 25d ago

welwala 26d ago

Ahhh crap. I noticed that earlier today. Archive.today blocks some DNS providers like CloudFlare and I thought I had ended up on the wrong DNS again. Time to fix that by running a real DNS and not just a forwarder though. Edit: Hmm it seems like they are not just blocking at DNS level :(

an0malous 26d ago

Why does Cloudflare Warp block archive.today? Did they just get strong-armed by publishers or ISPs or some other reason?

ploxiln 26d ago
archive.today (etc) does not properly serve dns results to cloudflare dns servers, because they do not include EDNS subnet information in the query https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked
- an0malous 26d ago
  Oh interesting, thanks

kennywinker 26d ago

File a complaint about chatgpt? I assume they’ve slurped up all of archive.org’s content

jdiff 26d ago
Archive.org is not archive.today.

sage981 26d ago

Guess my `archive.today` bookmarks are going to need a VPN now. So much for preserving web history without extra hoops.

anonzzzies 26d ago

Not sure what they are doing, but I am in Spain; most non tech people friends who like football have a little 'device' they get from their local friendly 'internet installer' which gives them free(-ish; they pay a few Euro per month, I guess for the VPN?) football (+ any other tv/movies/etc). And this is non tech friends who wouldn't know what a VPN is for the 1 million$ question on that show. So clearly it's all kind of useless (we know). And so far Starlink (I cannot get anything else on my farm) seems to not have joined in the fun; I can reach anything still; probably not a big enough target.

albatrosstrophy 26d ago
Sounds like IPTV streaming
- hsiudh 26d ago
  yeah, is 100% an IPTV app loaded into a firestick or a shady Android box ( most likely with some botnet installed or a backdoor); you can also get it by downloading the app directly to you TV. This are resellers of the big providers, they buy accounts in bulk, then pay a second service to filter all the non spanish channel, generate the playlist and add a markup.
matheusmoreira 26d ago
It's a politico-technological arms race. They make their laws. We make technology that completely nullifies their laws. They need to increase their tyranny in order to enjoy the same level of control they had before. The end state is either a totalitarian government or an uncontrollable population. Getting around these silly blocks feels good, but these governments really don't like it when we do that. I used to think that we'd find some kind of equilibrium along the way, that we'd eventually discover the government's limits: some principle they refuse to break, some line they refuse to cross... But the truth is these tyrants have zero limits. They really don't like losing their power over us, and will react with the most orwellian mesures imaginable, and they'll tell us it's all justified.
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BatteryMountain 26d ago

State Capture.

usernametaken29 26d ago

We’ll wait a minute here! Why not call it LLM-archive.today??? Obviously we’re not trying to hurt someone’s copyright!!! We’re making a derivative work from it!!! An LLM! So Europe can be cool too!! Oh but you’re saying downloading the entire internet in the process violates someone’s copyright?? Well now, don’t be dramatic, what if we fall behind China?? Surely a little copyright can be violated for that. /rant that I have in my head whenever someone complains to the government about copyright. Either charge LLM providers for copyright violations, or be done with it, and declare copyright dead. Can’t have it both ways, or sooner or later people will figure out a loophole to it anyways.

anilakar 26d ago

The Kremlin troll admin has already blocked my country, nothing of value was lost. https://gyrovague.com/2026/02/01/archive-today-is-directing-a-ddos-attack-against-my-blog/ https://gyrovague.com/2026/02/01/archive-today-is-directing-...

mitxela 26d ago
Isn't that accusation, if true, just a case of FAFO?
- anilakar 25d ago
  > Isn't that accusation, if true Trying to insult someone by calling them gay and nazi[1] is straight out of the Russian online troll playbook. Nobody except people who personally drink that Kool-Aid would resort to such boring insults. > just a case of FAFO? Who fucked around and what did they find out? [1] https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/807369905134518272/the-finne-troll-published-his-response-with https://archive-is.tumblr.com/post/807369905134518272/the-fi...

coopykins 26d ago

Every single day, I find another reason to be ashamed of my country. We're on a speedrun to turn a modern democratic country into a corrupt shithole in every way imaginable.

anax32 26d ago
We all feel like this in Europe. It's crazy. How are the politicians all like this?
- letmetweakit 26d ago
  Imagine living in the US then …
- stingraycharles 26d ago
  Maybe people are feeling confident to put their masks off with the stuff that’s happening in the US?
- mitxela 26d ago
  Because they're not terminally online and don't know why this is bad. But they do know that making the rich less rich is bad, just like in the US. Europe retains more counterculture than the US does, but not enough.
- mvdwoord 25d ago
  How de we keep voting on the same group of people/ideas?
  - trumpdong 25d ago
    Europe has so many parties. But they all agree on this because to disagree would be to attract an aerial democracy delivery from the USA.
    - modo_mario 25d ago
      It never gets to that in countries already deeply aligned. They all agree on this because it will be a hidden sticking point for some others, If that's not an impediment some lobyists will make it so. If that doesn't work us ambassadors, state departments and/or USTR will pressure or even put you on a trade watchlist. If that doesn't work some 3 letter agency folks will land on a domestic airfield and have some talks. If that doesn't work some media might peculiarly shift it's tone. etc

nullbio 26d ago

Corruption hates archives.

holt62 26d ago

Guess I'll be spinning up my own proxy to access old links now. Good luck blocking the internet, Spain; that'll work.

flanked-evergl 26d ago

This will not make the news in Norway even though it's much more egregious that just about everything Trump has done (not said, but done).

craniumjello 26d ago

No freesome presses anywhere

shevy-java 26d ago

Dictatorship. It's quite interesting to see how all these fake-democracies resort to willy-nilly censosrhip. Usually USA under Trump is the biggest hypocrite, but it is amazing how many EU countries are not that much better really. We need a global colour-map based on objective factors with regards to censorship. And then we need to replace the lobbyists that act as decoy politicians establishing censorship such as the one shown here. That's clearly a corrupt clique working.

UltraSane 25d ago

That is stupid.

barbazoo 25d ago

This and the soccer schedule internet blocking, the government just completely taken over by IP lobbyists?