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Good, if the middle power democracies don't align/work together they are going to get torn apart in the struggle between the US and China.
by noir_lord 29d ago
Good, if the middle power democracies don't align/work together they are going to get torn apart in the struggle between the US and China.
- nixass 29d agoNon-aligned movement 2: electric boogaloo
- xyzsparetimexyz 29d agoThey're very clearly aligned
- gpvos 29d agoNot really with the US anymore. Anyway, I think you missed this reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement
- debugnik 29d agoDoes it really count as non-aligned if the observer states are very much aligned?
- sheepjumpmoons 29d agoThe point was non alignment with the two superpowers.
- bryanlarsen 29d agoBoth Russia and China are observer states within the non-aligned movement.
- gpvos 29d agoI'm pretty sure that is a more recent development, and that at least the Soviet Union and China weren't observers during the cold war. (But I haven't looked it up.)
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- ndiddy 29d agoThere are over 30 US military bases in EU member states, so I would classify that as alignment with the US.
- mandeepj 29d ago> There are over 30 US military bases in EU member states As of today, with current affairs and the unpredictable element in chief, you may never know how long.
- ndiddy 29d agoI agree that if EU states start kicking out the US military, that would be compelling evidence of an actual shift in alignment.
- thih9 29d agoThere is shift in alignment, even if the source is different. A popular headline from earlier this year was "US pulling 5000 troops from Germany"[1]. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-pulling-5000-troops-germany-rcna343147 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-adm...
- 0xpgm 29d agoOne thing that is common about middle democracies is that prioritize a bureaucratic elite structure over an entrepreneurship culture, while both the US and China embrace entreprenuership wholeheartedly. If they changed that they'd perhaps become world powers themselves.
- _heimdall 29d agoThe CCP retains too much power over businesses and business leaders for me to consider them to "embrace entrepreneurship wholeheartedly."
- ohyoutravel 29d agoDidn’t China force Meta to unwind Manus? In no way is China embracing entrepreneurs wholeheartedly.
- monideas 29d agoThe US has something called CFIUS. This is normal statecraft
- ohyoutravel 29d agoI believe Manus was a Chinese company.
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- dosisking 29d agoThere is no struggle, China has already won.
- baxtr 29d agoIn what way has "China already won"?
- philipallstar 29d agoTheir culture prioritises economic outputs not entitlements.
- dosisking 29d ago> In what way has "China already won"? The US has depleted their missile stockpile and can no longer defend anybody. Countries in the Middle East are moving away from the US and forming their own alliances. Taiwan knows that the US cannot do anything to help them. South Korea also knows. The US has weaponized the US Dollar, forcing countries out of the SWIFT system if they don't do what they are told. As a result, the CHIPS system has become the alternative. China understands better how the economy works, with the Belt and Road Initiative. The US government doesn't understand how the economy works, and is run by a bunch of complete m orons.
- cbg0 29d agoYou've said a bunch of things that don't really equate to "China already won".
- spacedcowboy 29d agoI’m not sure I agree with “already won”, that’s an extreme position, but there are consequences to all the things s/he says. It may be a death of 1000 cuts, or it may hit a tipping point, but the us is certainly walking blindly down the “let China win” road. As a joint us/uk citizen, even I would prefer to deal with China than the USA these days. Predictability is really useful in business, and narcissistic man child presidents aren’t predictable.
- krona 29d ago70% of Canadian exports are to the US. 6% to the EU. Why would e.g. Poland want to enter a trade war with the US on Canada's behalf?
- LeBit 29d agoBecause the US is wreaking havoc world wide. The US cannot be trusted anymore. Better remove the bandaid now then wait until you are screwed. People now see China as the reliable partner. This will be a multigenerational change.
- pasc1878 29d agoBecause Trump is trade warring everyone. The middle democracies will do better fighting together and not deal with US individually.
- consp 29d agoIsn't the point that there already is one?
- NuclearPM 29d agoBecause the US is likely to ally with Russia over Poland.
- 9dev 29d agoBecause the US is going to throw Poland under the bus without even considering once if it yields a short-term benefit.
- walthamstow 29d agoUnder the bus again, I might add
- gustavus 29d agoThat's rich considering it was France and the UK that threw Poland under the bus despite having a signed defense pact. The US just came in to clean up the mess.
- wewewedxfgdf 29d agoErrrrr...... this has nothing to do with the struggle between USA and China. It is 100% about Trump.
- noir_lord 29d agoTrump is a symptom not the disease, when he's gone the people who supported him and voted for him still exist and another Trump-like figure is almost inevitable given they've basically ploughed and planted that field to grow the next one and who's to say NeoTrump isn't going to be smarter. The other democracies can no longer count on the US as a stable ally the way we have in the past (whether that trust was misplaced is a matter of perspective). Simply put, you did it twice, We can't rely on them not doing it again.
- LeBit 29d agoThat and nobody believes that if the Democrats get back in the driver’s seat that they will correct all the disgusting things Trump did. Americans voted for that clown regime twice. They cannot and should not be trusted anymore.
- mettamage 29d agoIMO it’s the 2 party system in the US that make it more vulnerable for things like this to happen
- pvaldes 29d agoUS biggest existential crisis is the fact that the opposition is always a monopoly. So either you have a massive win, or a party will block the other forever out of spite, nothing can be accomplished and no mistake can be fixed. With more opposition groups the situation would change for good ("You don't want to make a deal with me, I will ask the third and fourth parties. The first team doing a reasonable move gets the prize").
- sethammons 29d ago