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This is still an ARM C1-Ultra. Same one used in Mediatek dimensity 9500, which also got more than 4000 points in GB6 lab test. But actual results inside phone w
by ksec 2mo ago
This is still an ARM C1-Ultra. Same one used in Mediatek dimensity 9500, which also got more than 4000 points in GB6 lab test. But actual results inside phone with smartphone cooling and wattage requirement became close to 3300.
But perhaps the most important thing, Xiaomi is now able to make chip similar to Mediatek. They are the third largest Smartphone manufacturer by shipment volume. And they are still growing.
This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm.
- pelagicAustral 2mo ago> This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm. And good news for everyone else.
- yoz-y 2mo agoYes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.
- cromka 2mo agoExcept this trend is actually reversing now, with fabs being built outside of Taiwan?
- cubefox 2mo agoIt's not reversing, it's continuing the trend of more and more manufacturing moving to Chinese companies. It already happened to TVs and it's currently happening with RAM.
- etse 2mo agoBy Chinese company, do you mean Taiwan is Chinese in the same way China is Chinese?
- mschuster91 2mo agoNo. The problem is that TSMCs new capacity is already hogged by AI peddlers for years to come (in fact, AI BS is the reason why these new non-Taiwanese fabs got the massive US and EU subsidies), and so everyone else not flush with cash from the AI hypetrain has no alternative than to go to China - and deliver all their secrets to the CCP. And eventually, just like the Western solar, battery, pharma and car companies all have learned, the CCP will use that knowledge to surpass and undercut everyone else.
- Dah00n 2mo agoDo they also deliver all their secrets to US/EU/Taiwan/etc or is it only with China that it goes from ordering some products manufactured to "deliver all their secrets"? Strange how almost everyone points their fingers at the CCP when we know for a fact (hey Snowden etc) that the US does what we say we think China does. I guess China bad > facts.
- dopa42365 2mo agoGoddamn turbocapitalist commies! How dare they!
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- cubefox 2mo agoXiaomi may manufacture their chips in Taiwan (by tsmc) but Xiaomi is still a Chinese hardware company, similar to how Apple or Qualcomm are US American hardware companies.
- TSiege 2mo agoI think describing what's happening "other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country" is disingenuous. It's been dubbed China Shock 2.0 and it's being taken very seriously by the EU. The US admin is a joke and too busy shooting itself in both feet to have coherent policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Shock_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Shock_2.0
- 1234letshaveatw 2mo agoyet somehow the outcome for the US has been much better. EU wins on paper though, yay!
- oblio 2mo ago> outcome for the US has been much better Is this better outcome for the US in the room with us?
- nxm 2mo agoCompare any measurable economic and investment stat in EU vs US
- makingstuffs 2mo agoWhat happens when you compare quality of life? Or workers rights? Pretty sure that your average person cares more about those two data points…
- saturn8601 2mo agoThat might be a mirage temporarily made reality by outsourcing defense to the US, manufacturing to China and the work required for GDP growth to refugees. All three will be going away sooner or later.
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- plutomeetsyou 2mo agoCountries and institutions should always produce things where they are excellent at producing, in forms of specialization and compete in terms of comparative advantages.
- dymk 2mo agoThat depends on if everybody gets along and is willing to trade
- adwn 2mo agoThis attitude, if followed without qualifications, is dangerously naive and shortsighted, as the last few years of geopolitical events have shown.
- PowerElectronix 2mo agoYes, and no. Yes because you are vulnerable to supply chain disruption by illwilled countries. But illwilled countries that disrupt supply chains greatly incentivise others to diversify supply away from them. China could have the monopoly of rare earth production and refinery for all of eternity. But because of their reaction towards all the us allies when the us increased tariffs, I don't expect them to be relevant enough to disrupt markets with rare earths sanctions in 10-20 years.
- kstenerud 2mo ago> But illwilled countries that disrupt supply chains greatly incentivise others to diversify supply away from them. ... Except when they can't in any meaningful span of time.
- kridsdale1 2mo agoThis is true until you add a layer of geopolitics to your analysis.
- melasadra 2mo agoWe surely cant be this naive after the recent history of: - China weaponizing the world's dependence on rare earth - The US weaponizing the world's dependence on SWIFT - Russia weaponizing Europe's dependence on natural gas - Iran weaponizing the the world's dependence of oil supply through strait of Hormuz
- deadlast2 2mo agoI don't think it's by choice just ask all those extinct manufacturers
- saturn8601 2mo agoMaybe new companies can spring up and be competitive with AI assisted design. Im assuming the cost was too high for those old companies to survive right? Small nimble companies could theoretically compete in some segments vs large bloated slobs (even if they have AI as well). This is all just hypothetical thought.
- RobotToaster 2mo agoIt was a choice, western oligarchs handed China the means of production on a silver platter in the pursuit of short term profits.
- wolvoleo 2mo agoAnd even that wasn't anything new. They did the same with Japan and then Taiwan. Remember when made in Japan was a joke, then made in Taiwan? Now Japan is known for quality electronics and options and Taiwan for state of the art semiconductors.
- Grombobulous 2mo agoI think Western people still call this situation “outsourcing” when in reality what is happening is that China is better at manufacturing than everyone else, and they’re starting to be better than everyone else at design and engineering, too. When we buy software from Silicon Valley or a nice Mercedes Benz from Germany we don’t use this same language “outsourcing.” Colloquially, outsourcing implies low quality or cheap price. No, what’s happening here is that China makes the best products in numerous categories and we are choosing to import them, because the best products are the most desirable.
- throwaway63467 2mo agoWell at this point they are probably the only country in the world that can produce a car end to end starting from the raw iron ore and other elements up to the chips and software that runs on them (I’m sure they will still need to import some small stuff probably like Rhodium or Iridium maybe), who is going to compete with that? Everything done in country, no tariffs at all throughout the entire production cycle. That said some of these industry especially metallurgical ones will never return to Europe or US as they basically destroy and pollute the environment on a large scale, in China that still seems acceptable but also might change promoting them to outsource to other countries which they already do in some areas I think.
- coliveira 2mo ago> China that still seems acceptable China has made a tremendous effort to move to a clean(er) industrial system, using a lot of renewables and clean energy and improving environmental standards. At this point production in China is probably the best for the environment compared to most countries, including the US that is deeply invested in oil production.
- Danox 2mo agoChina evidently is pushing to move to sodium ion batteries. They didn’t have to. They could’ve stuck with lithium. I’ll let you guess what what would’ve happened in the United States they would’ve said we don’t have to this lithium already works. Why do you want to upset the Apple Cart. They are also moving close to a point where they will bring Thorium Reactors on line they don’t have to. They could just stick with uranium, but they’re not. Is this part of the fact that they have engineers running a lot of of the things at the top of their government instead of lawyers? They seem to be building a lot of infrastructure they are in the process of building several dams on the Brahmaputra River. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medog_Hydropower_Station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medog_Hydropower_Station
- Brybry 2mo agoXiaomi's Xring O3 is manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [1] MediaTek Dimensity 9500 is also manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [2] There was no world interdependence change (unless one considers China and Taiwan to be the same countries). [1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-launches-XRing-O3-claims-it-is-the-fastest-smartphone-SoC-with-an-AnTuTu-score-of-over-5-million.1376668.0.html#:~:text=TSMC%27s%20N3P%20process https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-launches-XRing-O3-claim... [2] https://www.notebookcheck.net/MediaTek-Dimensity-9500-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.957550.0.html#:~:text=probably%20N3P https://www.notebookcheck.net/MediaTek-Dimensity-9500-Proces...
- szatkus 2mo agoMediaTek is a Taiwanese company. Xiaomi could put any backdoor that the government tell them to install and TSMC won't be able to catch that.
- Dah00n 2mo agoDo you say the same about Intel, Amd, etc. or is it only big bad China?
- InTheArena 2mo agoThere's been 40 years of documented push back when western governments try to backdoor things - starting with clipper. Pushback is not always successful - but it's far more transparent then China.
- linkregister 2mo agoAre there any documented cases of backdoors being present in Chinese hardware at time of manufacturing?
- bryant 2mo agoTwo just this year, CVE-2026-66747 and CVE-2026-11405.
- csomar 2mo agoSo same as before?
- markdown 2mo agoThis is what was sold to – and often forced on – countries by the US and their allies via the IMF and World Bank. Global free trade meant that you only produced what you had an advantage in and bought what others could produce at lower cost.
- sophrosyne42 2mo agoThis would be interdependence expanding. Manufacturing isn't the only kind of economic activity
- locknitpicker 2mo ago> However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding (...) That's quite the odd statement. I don't think that it's in anyone's best interests to have a single country control access to chips. It might be in the US's interests to keep everyone out if the field, but the US is a single country among 195 countries. And isn't the US's dominant ideology all about competition?
- mschuster91 2mo agoNo. Chinese dumpers undercutting everyone else and destroying the competition is never good.
- Dah00n 2mo agoWas it bad when it was the US doing it against the UK? Or is it only when the people doing it eat more rice than us that it is bad? People said the same thing about the Japanese (they steal designs, they copy, it is bad quality, they are stealing our jobs, and so on).
- chasd00 2mo ago> Was it bad when it was the US doing it against the UK? Or is it only when the people doing it eat more rice than us that it is bad? dumping is always bad.
- Levitz 2mo ago>Or is it only when the people doing it eat more rice than us that it is bad? It's definitely different when the player doesn't even have to play by the market. Comparing US companies and Chinese companies is not apples to apples.
- AngryData 2mo agoI will agree that dumping is probably just bad overall. But the US, and much of the rest of the world, allows it to happen both within and outside of their countries, sometimes even financially supporting it with government programs. So I really don't see why I should care that someone in China is doing it. We can't hold others to standards significantly higher than we hold for ourselves.
- catigula 2mo agoLol, no. This is so stupid. China itself uses the "dominate and corral" model for their industries, and had severe tariffs to grow their various industrial bases, such as automotive.
- xanthor 2mo agoSame is true of US, Germany, Britain, etc
- germandiago 2mo agoFrom the outside, it is still competition. If they go too far to impose their system, we stop buying :)
- catigula 2mo agoExcept they've now ground your native industry under their boot and have total monopoly control because you've given up your critical infrastructure. You can no longer stop buying. That isn't an option. This is geopolitics 101; your fantasy version is decades out of date.
- germandiago 1mo agoTo some extent collusion and geopolitics are a fact, indeed. I do not dispute that.
- speed_spread 2mo agoIf the Linux drivers aren't up upstreamed and the chips aren't sold to anyone else, meh.
- cromka 2mo agoNow imagine if they actually provided a good support for Windows and Linux for those chips and started selling it to OEMs for Desktop/Laptop use.
- esperent 2mo agoOr allowed you to run Linux on their phone. We can only dream.
- cromka 2mo agoThey do allow to unlock their bootloaders, which is rather rare, which in turn allows to run Linux. Seeing as Chins just migrates their entire administration to Linux, it's not far fetched to assume they'll support Linux on their laptops very soon.
- rootsudo 2mo agoCaveat on the unlocking of bootloader. It is very much harder to do now. There is a lot of friction introduced now to it.
- chislobog 2mo agoI think that Samsung sells rooted devices to companies or organizations engaged in their partner program. There’s at least one company using those commercially in Europe to offer a modified device. I wonder if there is a gray market for Chinese boot loader unlocked devices, or if that’s dealt with on a service per device transaction level with some cellphone shop. If you can buy a device from Samsung with an unlocked boot loader and customized security updates in a sort-of private contract, where they acquire them with who knows what arrangement today that started with their partner program, it seems like a price issue more than a practical issue or policy limitation. I see the software for unlocking devices frequently but I suspect it is a short lived game for those people, either using factory provisioning while they have access to the software or otherwise monetizing the effort to offer these tools and services. Probably malware, definitely device info collection, but it just ends up at the same conclusion. if there is friction, why? Is Goog adversarial to developer devices now? Athe devices without friction in some other way made compliant or unsuitable for general use? Is unlocking the boot loader so much a risk to the firmware delivery and control scheme for the baseband propriety stuff and chipsets or is it just that it’s vertically integrated in western markets through device financing by telecoms? — I do mean to seriously ask what is their holdup. They can’t afford to develop the software and hardware simultaneous tracked and offer that product if it leaves the control of their promised end user as a client?
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- Dah00n 2mo agoSo by that logic Apple's CPU are fast because they paid Geekbench?
- shuwix 2mo agoJust imagine. Even free model of Gemini knows that Geekbench is Apple shill (designed for Apple on purpose). You don't. But that's not surprising in category of religious people, always putting their beliefs over any facts or reasoning.
- camillomiller 2mo agoI sense a US blacklisting coming
- HumblyTossed 2mo agoIs it really this fast or just this fast on benchmarks?
- ColdStream 2mo agoThe age old problem of mobile chips have brilliant performance for about 15 seconds until they thermal throttle. If you are just using apps, 15 seconds is more than enough to launch and setup an app, for anything more it will be down graded a little. Still dang impressive but the form factor becomes the limiting factor.
- cma 2mo agoThe browser can sometimes idle a lot until there is a touch/scroll event so it can be good for responsiveness during that kind of bursty stuff too.
- KPGv2 2mo agoYou said it. It was over 100 F here where I live, and I was on my phone outside trying to get work done while watching my kid, and I couldn't even type because of the thermal throttling triggered just by it being so damn hot outside.
- vachina 2mo agoSolar radiation. Try working in the shade. The max brightness isn’t helping either.
- danudey 2mo agoA few years ago I decided I was going to get some fresh air by going and working on the (south-facing) deck. Put my phone and drink outside, went back to get my laptop, brought it outside. Outside was too bright for me to see my laptop screen even at full brightness, but by the time I had it outside and had discovered that my phone had overheated so much it refused to turn on until it cooled down. At least my drink was still cold.
- faitswulff 2mo agoThis video compares the Mediatek Dimensity to the Xring 03 (at the given timestamp 329s in) and finds significant differences in physical layout and performance: https://youtu.be/BCCJuOopLK8?t=329 https://youtu.be/BCCJuOopLK8?t=329
- ksec 2mo agoCan't wait to see this in actual product and not a development board. It fulfill some of the original promise from ARM. And the world is about to turn upside down if most of that video show are proven to be true.