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245TB Micron 6600 ION Data Center SSD Now Shipping
- WatchDog 5mo agoWould like to see what the internals of this look like, how many flash packages and PCBs are in that tiny chassis?
- esperent 5mo agoAccess Denied You don't have permission to access "http://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/industry-leading-245tb-micron-6600-ion-data-center-ssd-now http://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-detai..." on this server. High security on this press release.
- asimovDev 5mo agoeven my AWS IP is let in without trouble
- el_snark 5mo agoNo problems here ...
- tjwebbnorfolk 5mo agoworks for me. akamai doesn't like you
- antonvs 5mo agoYour IP address might be on a blocklist.
- nine_k 5mo agoThe u.2 form factor is slightly larger than a 2.5" drive. I can imagine the entire space in it taken by Flash chips. I can't imagine what cooling scheme do they employ for the chips in the middle.
- MadnessASAP 5mo agoApparently TDP is 30 watts¹, according to the product brief. I would imagine it's a single PCB with flash chips on both sides then thermally bonded to the aluminum chassis. That should keep all chips at approximately the same temperature. On its own it could be easily air cooled, but with 24 in a 2U chassis you'll be having some decently hefty forced air over the drives. 1. For comparison, an HDD usually comes in around ~10 watts
- cyberax 5mo agoGiven the cost of 24 of them, you can probably buy solid silver heatsinks watercooled with tears of sysadmins.
- rbanffy 5mo agoI was going to say blood of virgins, but tears are probably better heat conductors.
- ciupicri 5mo agoI tempted to say that blood is better one. Among other things blood has iron, while tears just salt. Last, but not least it's for thermoregulation of the body.
- snovv_crash 5mo agoIf we're evaluating blood and tears for cooling, I'd argue that sweat is significantly better as a renewable resource, and also specifically adapted towards evaporative cooling.
- i_think_so 5mo agoHey! You leave me out of your twisted fantasy! I just want....I just want hard drive prices to come back down. *sniffle*
- roygbiv2 5mo ago
- cammikebrown 5mo agoHow much is it?
- el_snark 5mo agoThey haven't released details but I was able to find a Solidigm D5-P5336 122.88TB drive for around 40,000 USD, as a guideline. So ... more than that.
- mikestorrent 5mo agoI was quoted $18K for a 3.7 TB Dell NVMe disk the other day. I'm gonna guess these drives are literally a quarter million each
- cyberax 5mo agoYou're getting ripped off. NVMe SSDs are expensive, but not THAT expensive. A 4Tb drive should be around $1k even with some "enterprise" markup.
- UltraSane 5mo ago$200/TB is reasonable. $300 if it is VERY fast. That is just robbery.
- r_lee 5mo ago> I was quoted $18K for a 3.7 TB Dell NVMe disk surely you don't actually think that's realistic pricing?
- HDBaseT 5mo agoWhat is "realistic" in this context? It is very real, that is the price they quote. You can buy it through Dell at that price.
- r_lee 5mo agoas in that it reflects market prices in any way. I feel like anybody who works in this field knows that Dell etc. rip off naive customers this way and you can either negotiate it back to reality or just buy 1 small drive and order your own separately
- omeysalvi 5mo agoCan someone who knows explain what is the benefit of having all that data in one ssd instead of splitting it up into hundreds of individual drives? Does the single ssd benefit is more performance or does it really tuen out to be cheaper than hundreds of individual drives?
- baq 5mo agoYou’re actually right, it’s just that datacenters like density and will gladly split your data onto hundreds of these little amazing magical bits of technology rather than hundreds of less magical ones in the same physical volume.
- brancz 5mo agoIt’s about density in a datacenter. With this you have 1PB in 4 drives, fitting in a 1u rack, which is just incredible. Also these drives don’t use regular SATA or SAS, they use PCIe, so these drives are also quite fast in comparison. Density has a power efficiency aspect as well both in just having fewer drives and requiring fewer servers to put drives into.
- olavgg 5mo agoA 42U rack filled with 1u servers with 8 drives each, will have 84PB of data. It feels like it was a few month ago where you could buy a rack with 1PB of storage, and that was awesome. Not anymore.
- pjc50 5mo agoFor when you need to store a copy of the internet, and have been granted immunity for your copy of Anna's Archive.
- lazide 5mo agoThey’ll still have hundreds of individual drives. Of these drives.
- rbanffy 5mo ago
- userbinator 5mo agoQLC NAND The datasheet shows 3GB/s sequential write, which for 245.76TB means writing the whole drive takes around 22h45m. Odd that the endurance is specified as "1.0 SDWPD", which is almost meaningless since the drive takes roughly that long to write at full speed. At scale, 1.9 times more energy is required for an HDD deployment ...but those HDDs are going to hold data for far more than twice as long. It's especially infuriating to see such secrecy and vagueness around the real endurance/retention characteristics for SSDs as expensive as these. On the other hand, 60TB of SLC for the same price would probably be a great deal.
- rbanffy 5mo agoYou can trivially modulate flash endurance by tweaking the reported space - the less space you report, the more spares you have.
- crote 5mo agoPerhaps their usual buyers just care less about retention? Those drives aren't going to be used for cold storage, and it is basically a guarantee that there will be checksums and some form of redundancy. Who cares whether the data is retained for 10 or for 15 years after writing when you can do a low-priority background scrub of the entire drive once a month, and when there are already mechanisms in place to account for full-drive failure?
- delamon 5mo agoQLC retention reported to be around 1 year in unpowered state. I would assume, that drive does background refresh, though. No idea what effect it has on total drive lifetime. It is still mean that if you use it for cold storage it has to be powered.
- cm2187 5mo agoWhy is it mean? Why would you want to use a technology that is unsuitable for cold storage for cold storage? You won't even get the power / IOPS benefit if all it does is an infrequent replication of data and is then switched off.
- speedgoose 5mo agoI look forward to have my favourite hyperscaler grant me 1000 "premium" IOPS per VM on this monster.
- cm2187 5mo agoIOPS? This thing has slower IOPS than an old SATA SSD (~40k / QLC). I think it is meant for sequential operations only.
- perching_aix 5mo agoNote how that is still well in excess of what e.g. AWS EBS GP3 volumes offer (or at least used to, though even now their "80K IOPS" is measured with 64 KiB random transfers, whereas Micron measured that 42K IOPS with 4 KiB random transfers), which is what the person above is gesturing towards. The same EBS GP3 used to be specified with 16K max IOPS at 16 KiB random transfers until pretty recently.
- stingraycharles 5mo agoWhat’s the intended block size of these things? I thought 4KB was normal, but that doesn’t make sense at 40K IOPS, and doesn’t align with the benchmarks I’ve seen. Also: price is expected to be $80k. I suppose density is the selling point here, not speed.
- zekrioca 5mo agoWhat is this thing that all pictures of new devices need to come with this black background?
- layer8 5mo agoDark mode.
- amelius 5mo agoData centers are winning.
- gigatexal 5mo agoCost? Durability? Iops do we know?
- i_think_so 5mo agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20260505162256/https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/industry-leading-245tb-micron-6600-ion-data-center-ssd-now https://web.archive.org/web/20260505162256/https://investors... Rather silly of them to hide investor relations material behind an anonymity-hostile CDN. PDF for those who want it. https://web.archive.org/web/20260506084407if_/https://investors.micron.com/node/50436/pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20260506084407if_/https://invest...
- throwaway2037 5mo agoI checked the specs here: https://www.micron.com/content/dam/micron/global/public/products/storage/ssds/data-center/6600/6600-ion-nvme-ssd-product-brief.pdf https://www.micron.com/content/dam/micron/global/public/prod... The interface looks equiv to 4x PCIe 5.0. > Sequential read (MB/s): 13,700 > Sequential write (MB/s): 2,700 That is pretty awful write performance. Does anyone know more about this? I assume all of these hyperdense SSDs suffer from the same drawback. Also, I heard that the E3.L interface can support up to 16x lanes, but there are no practical commerical products at this point.
- voxelghost 5mo ago65 hours to restore a full backup
- xattt 5mo agoYes, but with all that data, how much heavier does it get?
- jurgemaister 5mo ago2.231705*10^-13 gram
- hebelehubele 5mo ago:) A single speck of dust could throw off that measurement (~ 1.6 x 10^-7 grams)
- didgetmaster 5mo agoIt depends on the data. I heard that ones are heavier than zeros.
- thrill 5mo agoYes, this why drives come in the mail pre-wiped - it saves on shipping.
- cadamsdotcom 5mo agoThe word AI can be safely deleted wherever it occurs in this press release. Very cool bit of tech.
- therealmarv 5mo agoMeanwhile I'm still dreaming about any consumer and affordable 32TB or even 16TB portable SSD. Innovation and market for consumers are going backwards. Funny thing is that one of the best you can get is the Crucial (Micron) 8TB one but even that one gets more expensive. I have the feeling it will be gone completely soon.
- devttyeu 5mo agoEnterprise NVMe on the high end is now starting to ship batches at $1000/TB with existing stock around $500/TB. No consumer is going to pay that. But if you're buying a $500k GPU server putting 100TB of nvme in there for $50-100k is justifiable.
- therealmarv 5mo agoThere was once a 2.5" SSD Mushkin Source 16TB SATA drive. At its cheapest it was ~1700 USD (or 1500 EUR). That was mid 2023 (like 3 years ago!). Nowadays it feels like that this time and price region is like decades away in the future. I was hoping I can store more data in future on modern tech like SSDs and not less.
- radicality 5mo agoYeah it sucks :( Almost exactly a year ago, I got a brand new 15.36TB Kioxia CD-6R (u.3 pcie4x4 drive) for $1450+tax from serverpartdeals.com - that same drive is now listed for ~$4600 (and it’s also out of stock there)
- close04 5mo agoThe prices aren't going down for large consumer drives because the market is so small, and because the AI DC market is swallowing up everything. There's little demand from your average consumer to have 30TB of storage, let alone specifically SSDs. The average user doesn't have that much data, and if they do a HDD is fine for any practical purpose. Despite the recent AI bubble you can still buy HDDs in the tens of TBs for a few hundred EUR/USD and you still don't see them in every computer. How high could the 30TB SSD demand be to justify the kind of volumes that drive price down? In the DC it's the opposite, large and efficient drives are a must to save support all those fancy workloads while driving down space, power, cooling needs.
- Aboutplants 5mo ago“For AI workloads: The 245TB Micron 6600 ION provided up to 84 times better energy efficiency” How big of a deal is this part in relation to the initial upfront costs? I’m not privy to the cost of power for SSD
- XorNot 5mo agoIt means you don't have as much to cool. Getting rid of 30 watts of heat is trivial compared to say, 300 (I don't quite know how to read that ratio since a 2.5kW SSD seems a little high to me).
- feisty0630 5mo agoGiven that 2.91TB SSDs are a common enterprise size, perhaps they're saying the 1x245TB SSD uses 1/84 the power of 84 2.91TB SSDs ;p
- justsomehnguy 5mo agoWith a modern CPUs hitting 400W it's already a problem to fill a rack top down with servers like you could do before: too many heat to dissipate and transfer, too much power to provide in the first place. Just imagine something like 2S 9565 in at least 2U machines: with 10 server x 2U x 2 CPU you would have 8kW in the processors alone and you didn't even fill half of the 42U rack. https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/server/epyc/9005-series/amd-epyc-9565.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/server/epyc/9005-...
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- mgerdts 5mo agoA big consideration for efficiency and TCO calculations is the number of servers required to house the drives. NVMe drives tend not to be in external JBOF enclosures. Fewer servers means fewer cpus, less RAM, fewer fans, and maybe fewer switches.
- wokes 5mo agoWant, but then need two for reduncancy... then a spare for recovery... why not 3 raid or zfs... imagine the resilver time on this. It's hit the limit of data surety surely.
- Spooky23 5mo agoThe press release is missing the key specification — how many Libraries of Congress fit on this thing?
- mtmail 5mo agoUsual estimate is 10TB of compressed text-only. So 24x LoC would fit on the drive.
- 0x000xca0xfe 5mo agoGod damn. I know somebody that became a multi-millionaire from web hosting in the 2000s and his entire data center back then could have been replaced with just one of these SSDs.
- kjs3 5mo agoWait until you see what CPUs have done since then...
- stego-tech 5mo ago(Im)patiently waiting for this AI-generated memory crisis to pass (or the bubble to pop) so SSD prices can crash back down again. Been dreaming of replacing my RAID6 HDD setup with a RAID1 of SSDs and a hot spare.
- dwa3592 5mo agoWe bought a 2TB Sandisk SSD back in 2024 for around $95 from best buy. Today 1TB ssd by sandisk is $166(the cheapest that i found, and it goes for $199 in walmart). Market is forcing people to become renters than buyers and there is no force countering that idea. Its a market failure that people will study 10-15 years from now. EDIT- The same 2TB ssd is now $329.99 at bestbuy.
- mxfh 5mo agoYou were not are renter in 2021 when NVMe were same price as now by TB, stuff is just becoming more expensive on market shortages. Last half year ate up three to four years of earlier price regression, that's about it. As long as this plateaus here, as prices did for last 4 months, that's just the new equilibrium where it has the chance to get better again, would no be all doom and gloom about personal computing yet.
- downrightmike 5mo agoThe dollar is losing value, we cant hit equilibrium, it will always cost more dollars. And that is assuming the mfg are not price maximizing (they are).
- kjs3 5mo agoUg. I picked up a 16TB hard disk last year for about $250. Went looking for another one last month and the same disk is about $500. Painful.
- Scoundreller 5mo agoAt least the fun part with these situations is that the prices of old crap goes up and I can sell that old crap I have for actual $. I remember selling some ancient GPUs that I was going to throw away during one of the previous booms.
- kjs3 5mo agoIndeed. Now...where did I put that pile of PC3 memory...
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- danborn26 5mo agoA 245TB SSD completely changes the density math for database nodes. The reduction in rack space alone makes this a huge win.
- Eduard 5mo ago2 TB NVMe SSD on the German market: * October 2020: around 200 EUR * May 2026: around 230 EUR
- reenorap 5mo agoIn the fall, I bought a 4TB OWC Thunderbolt 5 external SSD for my Mac Studio 512 GB for $500. It was cheaper and faster than any other solution. Now the price of both have at least doubled. I've seen Mac Studio M3 Ultra 512 GB go for $20k+ but I don't know if those are real prices or scams. We are going on 6 years of global supply crunches, I'm really getting sick of it!
- burnt-resistor 5mo agoThe specs look suspiciously like the Kioxia 245 TB SSD announced last year. https://www.storagereview.com/news/245tb-kioxia-lc9-ssd-sets-new-ssd-density-record https://www.storagereview.com/news/245tb-kioxia-lc9-ssd-sets...