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Cursor 3

544 points by adamfeldman 6mo ago

scudsworth 6mo ago
wow, a mangled vscode fork that's now also codex? the future is so bright
minimaxir 6mo ago
So it has converged to the same UI/UX as the Claude/Codex desktop apps. If that's the case, why use Cursor over those more canonical apps?
- babelfish 6mo ago
  Model independence
  - bigyabai 6mo ago
    That gap was closed by opencode months ago.
    - babelfish 6mo ago
      different products - CLI vs apps
      - bigyabai 6mo ago
        Not really, no. Coding CLIs are hugely popular with the "App user" crowd, see Claude Code.
        simplyluke 6mo ago
        I think that's more fashion than anything. Every company I've worked at has still had a few engineers who insist on working exclusively in the CLI with vim/emacs prior to AI. Every other engineer used some flavor of a desktop app ranging from more minimal editors to incredibly complex IDEs. I expect we land back on UIs long term.
- jtrueb 6mo ago
  I kinda quit using it. The tab feature is useful when making minor or mundane changes, but I quite prefer the codex GUI if I am going to be relatively hands off with agents.
- davidgomes 6mo ago
  1. Cursor is multi-model, meaning you can use at least a dozen different models. 2. Cursor's UI allows you to edit files, and even have the good old auto-complete when editing code. 3. Cursor's VSCode-based IDE is still around! I still love using it daily. 4. Cursor also has a CLI. 5. Perhaps more importantly, Cursor has a Cloud platform product with automations, extremely long-lived agents and lots of other features to dispatch agents to work on different things at the same time. Disclaimer: I'm a product engineer at Cursor!
  - eranation 6mo ago
    Computer use in the cloud for me is THE killer feature.
    - enraged_camel 6mo ago
      Can you elaborate on how you are using it?
      - eranation 6mo ago
        Basically set it up like a developer local env, then it just runs like an "openclaw" - with full control over its own env, with a browser, a shell, access to the local DB (e.g. install a local postgres). You basically get a video of the feature, screenshots, and it can also actually test itself, like a developer, clicking in the browser to test the feature. Game changer.
  - neil_naveen 6mo ago
    Is there going to be any more development on the frontier of cursor tab completion and features like that (more focused on helping engineer's with llm's for complex tasks) since I feel this is the main reason I dont use claude code or codex. I want to be writing the code, since I want performant, small, codebases that I understand (I am writing eBPF stuff, so agentic coding doesnt work that well)
  - simlevesque 6mo ago
    You can use almost any model with Claude Code.
- liuliu 6mo ago
  Brand recognition. Since "model-is-the-service", various previously-interesting companies become thin API resellers and the moat is between "selling a dollar for fifty cents" and Brand awareness. I am not saying this in bad faith. Model companies cannot penetrate every niche with the same brand recognition as some other companies you would consider as "API resellers" do.
- tomjen3 6mo ago
  I won’t, but it does have a couple features Codex lags, including remote SSH (huge, because the easiest way to sandbox your agent is to put it into a VM), and the ability to kicking things of on your mobile and finishing up on your desktop (again, really nice if you get a good idea out on a walk, or while talking to a colleague. These are features I am sure Codex will soon have, of course. Then there is the advantage of multiple models: run a top level agent with an expensive model, that then kicks of other models that are less expensive - you can do this in Claude Code already (I believe), but obviously here you are limited to something like Haiku.
- lubujackson 6mo ago
  For $20 a month, I can plan and implements a couple features in 4 hours with Claude. Then I have to wait. For $20 a month, I can plan and implement thousands of features using Composer 2 or Auto with Cursor. The usage limits are insanely higher. Yes, the depth of understanding is not Opus 4.6, but most work doesn't need that. And the work that does need it I pass to Claude. I can code 8 hours a day using LLMs as my primary driver spending just $40 a month.
  - dgellow 6mo ago
    I mean, in that case, cannot you do the same by just using sonnet instead of opus?
  - bentt 6mo ago
    Yep, Composer 2 has been quite good for me too. I only turn to Opus for major brainteasers.
  - zwaps 6mo ago
    My man, have seen the Sonnet 4.6 tho
  - mschulkind 6mo ago
    You can do this with copilot, for the $40/mo range, AND you get to use opus 4.6 for all of it. Copilot is absurdly cheap if you can make it fit your work profile.
  - georgeven 6mo ago
    the codex limits are actually pretty high too. You might want to check it out.
    - daviding 6mo ago
      Agree with that, they seem really good limits for daily use on something like Chat GPT Pro $20 account. I'm in the curious situation of using the Codex CLI within Cursor IDE and not really getting value out of my $60 Cursor sub. Plus at every update it seems Cursor seems to break more of their UI in the 'not a cloud agent chat UI' vs the more traditional VSCode sort of layout of code first. I should probably cancel.
- eranation 6mo ago
  Computer use in the cloud is the main reason I use them. It's a game changer. It has its own dev env with a browser / shell and can test what it wrote (a bit of a hassle to set it up, but when it's working, wow)
jFriedensreich 6mo ago
Funny how in this space, once a company feels dead, you don’t even check out their release if the video looks decent, it would have to be totally revolutionary.
whicks 6mo ago
This seems like a mix of Claude Code and Superset (https://superset.sh/ https://superset.sh/). Interested to try it out and see how well it performs all the same.
seamossfet 6mo ago
Man, I wish they'd keep the old philosophy of letting the developer drive and the agent assist. I feel like this design direction is leaning more towards a chat interface as a first class citizen and the code itself as a secondary concern. I really don't like that. Even when I'm using AI agents to write code, I still find myself spending most of my time reading and reasoning about code. Showing me little snippets of my repo in a chat window and changes made by the agent in a PR type visual does not help with this. If anything, it makes it more confusing to keep the context of the code in my head. It's why I use Cursor over Claude Code, I still want to _code_ not just vibe my way through tickets.
- whicks 6mo ago
  Agreed completely on this (as a heavy daily user of Cursor). It's been the perfect in-between of coding by hand (never again!) and strictly "vibe coding" for me. Being able to keep my eyes on all the changes in a "traditional" IDE view helps me maintain a mental model of how my systems work. I'm hoping in this new UI in v3 I can still get that experience (maybe it's just hidden behind a toggle somewhere for power users / not shown off in the marketing materials).
  - leerob 6mo ago
    I'm an engineer at Cursor, can try to clarify questions here. > I wish they'd keep the old philosophy of letting the developer drive and the agent assist. Even when I'm using AI agents to write code, I still find myself spending most of my time reading and reasoning about code. We very much still believe this, which is why even in this new interface, you can still view/edit files, do remote SSH, go to definition and use LSPs, etc. It's hard to drive and ship real changes without those things in our opinion, even as agents continue to get better at writing code. > I'm hoping in this new UI in v3 I can still get that experience (maybe it's just hidden behind a toggle somewhere for power users / not shown off in the marketing materials). This new interface is a separate window, so if you prefer the Cursor 2 style, that continues to exist (and is also getting better).
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aquir 6mo ago
Cursor is so good for what I do is that I've cancelled my Cursor subscription and went back to VSCode (w/o Copilot) for the diff review and code navigation.
- furyofantares 6mo ago
  I'm not following at all?
  - vecter 6mo ago
    I assume they meant that "Claude Code is so good..." and that they cancelled Currsor and just use CC + VSCode.
Iolaum 6mo ago
Looking at the video cursor 3 UI looks very similar to the one I experience using OpenCode :D
pjmlp 6mo ago
What would all these companies do without Microsoft shipping VS Code as open source, probably still stuck with vi and Emacs. Still curious which ones will survive when the AI gold diggers finally settle.
- vachina 6mo ago
  There's also Eclipse.
  - tipsysquid 6mo ago
    shudders does anyone pine for eclipes? I haven't used it in a decade, Im sure it has has evolved
    - ikidd 6mo ago
      It's still horrendous.
    - guzfip 6mo ago
      My job replaced eclipse with VSCode for Java+Spring development. Can’t say I miss eclipse, but a lot of the VSCode extensions seems to utilize old legacy eclipse stuff and has the bugs to match.
      - davnicwil 6mo ago
        Did you consider IntelliJ, even just the community edition? If not you really should. IntelliJ with Java is one of the best dev experiences I've ever had. I'm a VSCode fan for most other things but for Java I wouldn't even remotely consider using it over IntelliJ if I had the option :-)
      - pjmlp 6mo ago
        Your are still running Eclipse, Red-Hat and Microsoft run it headless. It is not old. Likewise Oracle VSCode version runs Netbeans headless.
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acedTrex 6mo ago
So they are just turning into another vibe code slop app? At least before they were tangentially still an actual developer tool, standard vsc windows, the code was the point etc. Now they offer really nothing interesting for professionals.
- cyral 6mo ago
  All the VS code stuff is literally still there
- tredre3 6mo ago
  > Now they offer really nothing interesting for professionals. That's a curious statement given that what they're doing is just becoming more like Claude Code, which seems extremely popular on this forum.
vially 6mo ago
Thought I'd give it a try and installed the latest version. Application crashes at startup on Linux (Wayland) with: "The window terminated unexpectedly (reason: 'crashed', code: '139')". Probably yet another instance of developers mostly testing and doing quality assurance on macOS/Windows.
- jonasnelle 6mo ago
  Hey, sorry about that! Some AUR packages share cursor in a way that isn't forward+backwards compatible across releases. We recommend using our official AppImage from https://cursor.com/download https://cursor.com/download Alternatively, please use a different AUR package that doesn't have these issues https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cursor-nightly-bin https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cursor-nightly-bin
  - aeroevan 6mo ago
    I am using it on fedora from the yum repo and it's crashing for me too. $ rpm -q cursor cursor-3.0.4-1775123877.el8.x86_64 https://forum.cursor.com/t/sigsegv-in-zygote-type-zygote-on-fedora-43-kernel-6-19-cursor-3-0-4/156542 https://forum.cursor.com/t/sigsegv-in-zygote-type-zygote-on-... Apparently if launched with --verbose it works, but that's the same crash I was seeing without the verbose flag
  - vially 6mo ago
    I prefer to avoid AppImages if I can but I gave it a try anyway and it still fails with exactly the same error. What made you think it's just a packaging issue?
- deleted 6mo ago
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- jiggunjer 6mo ago
  I'm running it ok arch Wayland (sway), installed last month I think. Maybe related to your electron package.
extr 6mo ago
What is Cursor doing? They need to relax a little bit. Recently I saw they released "Glass" which WAS here: https://cursor.com/glass https://cursor.com/glass, now just redirects to /download. Is "Cursor 3" == Glass? I get they feel like their identity means they need to constantly be pushing the envelope in terms of agent UX. But they could stand to have like an "experimental" track and a "This is VS Code but with better AI integration" track.
- leerob 6mo ago
  Glass was a codename while the UI was in early alpha with testers. It redirects to download now because there is no special link anymore. It's just part of Cursor 3 itself.
weli 6mo ago
Stop fucking my shit up please
- reasonableklout 6mo ago
  Looks like the editor is still there, and the revamped UI is a new window you can open on the side.
- AdrienPoupa 6mo ago
  My exact reaction when they override my cmd+e shortcut and change the default layout every two months :)
- Joel_Mckay 6mo ago
  The output isn't yours, and never was due to copyright law opinion. The input isn't yours, as it is stolen and re-sold to other people. The model isn't yours, as it was built with piracy, theft of service, and EULA violations. What are people doing exactly... outside data-entry for free. =3
bustah 6mo ago
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throw03172019 6mo ago
I hope we can use it like non-agent developers where code is first class citizen.
wiradikusuma 6mo ago
Maybe I'm old, but I only recently started using Gemini to assist me in coding. Now it seems everyone is heading to giving agents to do the full-blown coding. I guess if the result code is good, it doesn't matter who's coding (me or AI). But are they affordable already for developers who don't earn a Silicon Valley salary? Developers in 3rd world countries?
- seamossfet 6mo ago
  I'm not convinced people who are doing real work on production applications with any sizable user base is writing code through only agents. There's no way to get acceptable code from these models without really knowing your code base well and basically doing all the systems thinking for the model. Your workflow is probably closer to what most SWEs are actually doing.
  - simplyluke 6mo ago
    This, at least for me, has changed in the past six months. Which is the same thing people were saying in the months prior to that, so I will accept some eye rolls. But at least for our pretty large monorepo opus + a lot of engineering work on context got us to a point where a large portion of our engineers are doing most of their work with agents first and a lot of back and forth + smaller hand edits.
    - kypro 6mo ago
      Agreed. The size of the repo isn't a limiting factor anymore. It's more about the type of change. Agents today can generate solid code even for relatively complex requirements. However, they don't always make the right trade-offs. Just because something works doesn't mean it scales. It doesn't mean it can handle unexpected user input. It doesn't mean it's easily extensible. Today engineers really just need to define those high-level technical requirements.
      - simplyluke 6mo ago
        > Today engineers really just need to define those high-level technical requirements. At least within our company, this is quickly becoming what it means to be a software engineer.
6thbit 6mo ago
Looks like they're now playing catchup. What's the pitch for using Cursor now a days?
- maipen 6mo ago
  Good autocomplete for those of us who still write code.
  - hollowturtle 6mo ago
    Me too, I have the bad feeling autocomplete will be sunsetted sooner or later, it clearly isn't the path they're getting into. Also it started to get worse lately, it tries too hard to predict, it wasn't like that some time ago, hopefully you know what I'm saying
maipen 6mo ago
So funny , I remember their talk about re-imagining their editor for the future of agents. They end up copying codex gui lol. These AI companies are running out of ideas, and are desperate. I can't imagine investing in companies that are 3 month behind open source alternatives, and their target audience being the most experimental kind there is. Looks pretty though.
slopinthebag 6mo ago
I really dislike this push away from augmentation and towards agents. I get that people want to be lazy and just have the LLM do all of their work, but using the AI as an augmentation means you are the driver and can prevent it from making mistakes, and you still have knowledge of the codebase. I think there is so much more we could be doing in the editor with AI, but instead every company just builds a chatbot. Sigh.
rvshchwl 6mo ago
I love Cursor. As a Product Manager who's not really had coding experience, it's been very useful. I'm able to have a browser on the side and make changes easily, and click through exactly what I want to change rather than having the LLM guess which component I'm talking about. Having multiple models has also been great, as well as the MCP integration. Most times I don't need all the MCPs, but I like being able to turn them on or off based on what I'm doing, like JIRA or Grafana. One of my favorite startups and I genuinely like to keep subscribing to them.
simplyluke 6mo ago
Daily cursor user who's been previewing this a bit while it was in alpha. I think it's a really solid release, and while cursor seems to have fallen out of the "cool kids club" in the past three months it remains the most practical tool for me doing AI-first work in a large production code base. The new UI works better in a world where agents are doing most of the work and I can hop back into the IDE interface to make changes. We've set up a linear integration where I can delegate simpler tasks to cloud agents, and the ability to pick that work up in cursor if I need to go back in forth is a real productivity boost. The tighter integration with cloud agents is something I've been hoping for recently. I appreciate not being tied at the hip to one model provider, and have never loved doing most of my work from the command line. I was on vs code + meta's internal fork of it for years prior to the current AI wave, so that was a pretty natural transition. I'm pretty optimistic on cursor's ability to win in the enterprise space, and think we're going to see open source models + dev tools win with indie devs over things like claude code as costs start getting passed down more and the gap between frontier models and open source gets tighter.
arrakeen 6mo ago
so just like how every chat app has to look like slack, every ide has to look like vscode, now every agent workspace has to look like the codex app? codex app, antigravity, and now this all have the exact same UI design...
cetinsert 6mo ago
CLIs are 100000× better than this non-sense.
- jFriedensreich 6mo ago
  No they are not. Tired of this 40 year old terminal setback instead of having real and beautiful GUIs. Its fine for some kind of people but don't think what works for you is acceptable for the other 50% of us.
  - tyre 6mo ago
    I agree with you but what they're launching here is not a beautiful GUI. It's minimalist (in a bad way) and not really innovative.
    - jFriedensreich 6mo ago
      Oh yeah I am not talking about cursor, maybe what it felt like when it was 1.0. There will be a new breed of GUIs for people who don't touch terminals. Opencode web and devin code review have a little glimmer of that but it will probably look very different.
bentt 6mo ago
I’m a Cursor user but I am not an agent maximalist. I just like having it work on code in an IDE with good inline diffs and a nice chat UI. This change is possibly too big and unless all my existing usage patterns are maintained or improved, I’ll likely give CC a try now. Not optimistic.
- all2 6mo ago
  If you're in the market, OpenCode is quite good and has become my daily driver. You may also consider pi[0], but that's (from what I've heard) more agenty. [0] https://shittycodingagent.ai/ https://shittycodingagent.ai/
- zenoprax 6mo ago
  I only used Cursor in short bursts so 20 USD per month was hard to justify. I recently switched to VSCodium + Cline + OpenRouter and I can use any model I want (currently Step 3.5 Flash for "Temu Sonnet"). It scratches the itch very well for me for literal pennies on the dollar. I should also add: Cline doesn't require any account at all. I just installed the extension and added my OpenRouter API key and that was it.
babelfish 6mo ago
No per-agent auto-worktree? This is the killer feature of Conductor, having to type `/worktree` into every new chat isn't really a resolution. Not even sure what selecting 'Worktree' for a new chat does
- jeffnv 6mo ago
  i would expect it before the end of the month, why not?
- ninininino 6mo ago
  "having to type `/worktree` into every new chat isn't really a resolution" I don't know what you're talking about. My experience with Cursor (before this new v3) is that new Cursor agent tabs / cloud agents already intelligently manage worktrees to prevent conflicts.
  - babelfish 6mo ago
    Wow, maybe something is wrong with my setup. In Cursor 3, I am clicking "New Agent" at the top left. My root repository is correctly listed on top of the composer, and I clicked the icon to the right of it and selected 'Worktree'. Then, I instruct the model to run `pwd` and tell me it's git status. It's always just on `main` in my root repository. I dug through the settings and couldn't find anything, and after finding this comment[0] on their forums gave up. Would you mind sharing a bit more about your setup/how it works? [0] https://forum.cursor.com/t/working-with-worktrees-in-cursor/153472/3 https://forum.cursor.com/t/working-with-worktrees-in-cursor/...
    - ninininino 6mo ago
      Wow, it seems I'm the fool here. I'm on Version: 2.6.19. Per https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees#how-is-this-different-from-the-previous-parallel-agents-feature-in-cursor https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees#how-is-this-... They apparently removed this in 3.0. - I couldn't begin to guess why. "Automatic management of worktrees was removed in Cursor 3.0 and replaced with the new commands /worktree and /best-of-n. We also have added worktree support for the Cursor CLI. Management of worktrees is now fully agentic. This makes it simpler to support use cases such as starting an agent, and only doing work in a worktree later on in the chat's lifecycle. /best-of-n makes comparing the results of multiple models much easier. The parent agent will provide commentary on the different results and you can pick the best one. Additionally, you can even ask the parent agent to merge different parts of the different implementations into a single commit. If you had agents that were previously running in a worktree, those chats will still work. However, you will need to use the new commands to start new agents in worktrees."
nu11ptr 6mo ago
I've been running Claude Code in my Cursor IDE for a while now via extension. I like the setup, and I direct Claude on one task at a time, while still having full access to my code (and nice completions via Cursor). I still spend time tweaking, etc. before committing. I have zero interest in these new "swarms of agents" they are trying to force on us from every direction. I can barely keep straight my code working on one feature at a time. AI has greatly helped me speed that up, but working serially has resulted in the best quality for me. I'll likely drop Cursor for good now and switch back to vanilla VsCode with CC.
- fragmede 6mo ago
  > have zero interest in these new "swarms of agents" they are trying to force on us from every direction. Good for you! Personally waiting for one agent to do something while I shove my thumb up my butt just waiting around for it to generate code that I'll have to fix anyway is peak opposite of flow state, so I've eagerly adopted agents (how much free will I had in that decision is for philosophers to decide) so there's just more going on so I don't get bored. (Cue the inevitable accusations of me astroturfing or that this was written by AI. Ima delve into that one and tell there was not. Not unless you count me having stonks in the US stock market as being paid off by Big AI.)
  - wilkystyle 6mo ago
    I have personally found that I cannot context switch between thinking deeply about two separate problems and workstreams without a significant cognitive context-switching cost. If it's context-switching between things that don't require super-deep thought, it's definitely doable, but I'm still way more mentally burnt-out after an hour or two of essentially speed-running review of small PRs from a bunch of different sources. Curious to know more about your work: Are your agents working on tangential problems? If so, how do you ensure you're still thinking at a sufficient level of depth and capacity about each problem each agent is working on? Or are they working on different threads of the same problem? If so, how do you keep them from stepping on each other's toes? People mention git worktrees, but that doesn't solve the conflict problem for multiple agents touching the same areas of functionality (i.e. you just move the conflict problem to the PR merge stage)
zwaps 6mo ago
I like cursor and its workflow as a tool, but I do wonder whether moving to cloud (I mean for lots of the cool features) will work. Yes we all GET Cursor has to make money. No one is fooled what this is about. It's also fine, the video and screenshot thing is great. However, is this really a moat?
wg0 6mo ago
They're juggling on two ends. An IDE and bringing their own models. Kinda makes them "full stack". Nerve wreaking race. I think I'll switch over to cursor on trial basis.
hokkos 6mo ago
I don't think this is the direction where cursor users want to go, they basically free up the market for VSCode and Zed, and won't be able to compete against lab owning their model.
- throwaway613746 6mo ago
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numbers 6mo ago
I left cursor and went back to VS Code b/c the editing experience is basically the same and cursor was adding more and more agentic features which don't appeal to me. I'm a happy Claude Code user and having my code separate from the planning/brainstorming part of the task makes implementing its own step with me driving/writing the code.
eranation 6mo ago
The biggest killer feature Cursor has that so far no one else seems to have is cloud based computer use. It’s such a game changer. You get a walkthrough video instead of just diffs. But as soon as anthropic release it (their computer use is local only, no thanks) I might consider switching though. Mostly due to the subsidized $200 plan.
WhitneyLand 6mo ago
The features here don’t seem game changing. The most compelling parts are mostly already available in Claude or Codex or their related apps and services. The biggest concern is that if you want to use SOTA models I don’t see how they can match what you get with the subscription plans of Anthropic and Open AI, whether your spending $20 or $200 a month. Even if they could match what you get in terms of token quantity, they are giving their tools away for free for the foreseeable future and Cursor is not.
mgambati 6mo ago
Is composer 2 any good? Can it be compared to opus ou gpt 5.4?
- dmix 6mo ago
  No it's not very good. But when you run out of Claude tokens it's perfectly fine for small stuff. Cursor's inline autocomplete is very good though, much better than anything I could reproduce in Zed with various 3rd party "edit" LLMs (although checking google, they announced a new model since I tried it https://zed.dev/blog/zeta2 https://zed.dev/blog/zeta2)
- jiggunjer 6mo ago
  I ran parallel prompt with composer 2 and gpt5.3 codex. Composer did slightly better, in terms of variable naming and extra tweaks to loosely related files to keep the codeb consistent.
tyre 6mo ago
This is a really underwhelming UI for something that is agent-first. It looks like they're mimicking Notion. The next generation of interfaces are not going to look like an evolution into minimalist text editor v250. This is like people iterating on terminals before building native or web applications.
- guzfip 6mo ago
  > This is like people iterating on terminals before building native or web applications. TUIs blow most modern web apps out of the water in terms of UX
wahnfrieden 6mo ago
Cursor seems like far worse value than Codex with a ChatGPT subscription. Doesn't equivalent usage of the $200 subscription cost over $1000? I don't understand why people use it when you can just get multiple Pro subscriptions.
rbren 6mo ago
I still think every developer should be building their own IDE https://github.com/rbren/personal-ai-devbox https://github.com/rbren/personal-ai-devbox
flumpcakes 6mo ago
I don't understand how this product can be productively useful. It looks like any other AI chat bot, but I remember hearing people speak very positive things about it. What am I missing?
- hollowturtle 6mo ago
  You're missing nothing with this new ui. For me very good autocomplete + stuff than can be automated with an agent on the side while coding on the other was the peak. I want the control, control to activate/disable autocomplete and agents, I don't want to follow an imposed workflow
motbus3 6mo ago
Cursor died for me when they star putting limits and time waits everywhere even on more expensive plans. I totally preferred the other way, but at some point , there is boiler plate or organizations you just want done and it does not make sense to put you waiting minutes a time to confirme few refactors. That literally killed the vibe for cursor to me
jeremie_strand 6mo ago
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Gimpei 6mo ago
I used to have a pro-cursor subscription, but it was way too expensive because I'd always hit my limit. I realized I could just use claude code + the free version of cursor for autocomplete and it worked even better. At this point, I'm not understanding the value that cursor is bringing. A souped up claude code? All I have to do is wait a few months and anything useful will be in claude code or codex or whatever.
- verelo 6mo ago
  So unfortunately this is it for me too. I liked Cursor as a tool, but when i switched to Claude I realized i was getting WAY better value for money. I spent $1800 the month before, i spent $200 the next. I'm now switching between Claude and Codex for less than 1/4 of what I was spending in December.
- causal 6mo ago
  Yeah, I tried using their Composer model (which I guess is Kimi) and it just feels sub-Sonnet to me. Whereas a Claude Max sub gets me more Opus than I can use in a month. Which sucks because Cursor is clearly better than Anthropic at building UIs. CC desktop is buggy af. Codex is nearly Opus level though. Anyone know if OpenAI permits Max subs to be used in Cursor?
dalemhurley 6mo ago
Thanks, it is horrible. This is a massive step backwards. The IDE provides so much extra abilities that an agent simply can’t handle.
karmasimida 6mo ago
This is just Codex App, like even the font feels the same
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crimsonnoodle58 6mo ago
I'm confused how and if Cursor is still relevant since the Claude Code VSCode extension came out. The biggest downside for me with Cursor was losing access to gated Microsoft extensions like Python and C#. Even when vibing there are times you will still need a debugger or intellisense. I note in the comments lots of people saying they are moving back and this latest move looks like the final nail in the coffin for Cursor.
hollowturtle 6mo ago
Wow another big layer on top of forked vs code, that now looks like github with an agent. I'll totally pass
darepublic 6mo ago
What is the special sauce of cursor. As a harness I assume it's mostly context management right? And maybe some defensive coding to mitigate probabilistic llms? Is there any big difference between cursor and Claude code?
Bmello11 6mo ago
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kvisner 6mo ago
I find a lot of these IDEs are simply not as useful as a CLI. When I'm running a full agentic workflow, I don't really need to see the contents of the files at all time, I'd actually say I often don't need to at all, because I can't really understand 10k lines of code per hour.
- nradclif 6mo ago
  What role do you play in creating software? If you don't need to see any code, should your employer consider cutting your position? I'm very much pro-humans-in-the-workforce, but I can't understand how someone could be ok with doing so little at their job.
  - owlstuffing 6mo ago
    There is a large and growing segment of executives in the software world that is pushing this model hard, like betting their career on it. To them the “dark factory” is an inevitability. As a consequence, not only are developers choosing this path, but the companies they work for are in varying degrees selecting this path for them.
    - dakolli 6mo ago
      Most, if not all of them, are shooting themselves in the foot. I've been saying this for a long time. The only thing LLMs actually are useful for is automating labor and reducing the amount a worker can demand for their work. Don't fall for this trap.
  - jamiequint 6mo ago
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    - pona-a 6mo ago
      Then do you think this new data entry position is going to be smas well paying as your current one?
richardlblair 6mo ago
I recently cancelled my cursor subscription (and chatgpt), and went all in on pi.dev. The thing I've noticed is cursor was better at producing better results with a really shitty prompt. That said, well written prompts on pi.dev seem to be out performing anything I ever tried on Cursor. That may just be me, but it's what I've noticed in my work. This week I had 4 different agents, each with sub agents, all working on different tasks. Mostly greenfield work. My feedback was mostly nitpicky. I was pretty damn impressed
welder 6mo ago
Damnit, now I probably have to update my vscode plugin to support Cursor 3... I mean have a coffee or go for a swim while waiting on AI to update my vscode plugin to support Cursor 3. :P
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dominicholmes 6mo ago
Wow, really negative comments here! I'm not a cursor user, and I can't say I love the look of this UI, but my team and I are very heavy users of https://www.conductor.build https://www.conductor.build . Managing many agents, each in their own sandbox, felt like indisputably the future after using conductor for a day. We were a cursor company before conductor, but we cancelled all our seats around the time Opus 4.6 dropped because conductor was vastly more productive. So IMO, Cursor is definitely moving in the right direction w/ this -- the days of the IDE are numbered & they're correctly designing for the future. For me, there's no way to get into a flow state if I'm thinking about terminal windows and Claude Code. Even before conductor dropped on our team, I'd been building CLIs to spin up agent sandboxes on work trees -- but that still required a lot of terminal window management. My work now is usually: - 1 hard task (hard to think about more than 1 of these at once) -- localized to a sandbox, but with multiple agents in different convo threads - N simpler tasks (usually 4-8). These are usually one-shottable. They're a pleasure to come up with & ship. I'm thinking about and managing the hard task. When it's cooking for more than 10 seconds, I'm switching to an ez task and pushing them along. Just like OG coding -- hard to be in a flow state every day. But when it works, you can get an unbelievable amount of work done. I'll be walking around now, and I'll add voice notes of little tasks or cleanups I want to throw an agent at when I get home. Good products are made of 1000s of small, good decisions -- and now those are free to implement, the slowest part is writing them down as tickets.
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sidgarimella 6mo ago
imo there’s a clear greenfield to have doubled down on where cursor was before in proactively keeping devs appraised of the code that they’re generating, and bridging growing gaps between abstracted chat sessions and files/directory structures I might understand less and less This on the other hand feels like a clear reaction to cc/codex, in a way that even kind of builds an offboarding ramp?
athoscouto 6mo ago
Cursor has been my main AI tool for over a year now. I've been trying to use Claude Code seriously for over a month, but every time I do it, I get the impression that it would take me less work to do with Cursor. I'm on the enterprise plan, so it can get pricey. This is why I used to stick mostly to auto mode. Now Composer 2 has taken over as my default model. It is not as intelligent as OpenAI's or Anthropic's flagship models, but I feel it has as good as or better intuition. With way better pricing. It can get stuck in more complex tasks though. Being able to get in the loop, stop and instruct or change models makes all the difference. And that is why I've stayed in the editor mode until now. Let's see if 3.0 changes that.
- muratsu 6mo ago
  I find it interesting that you are on the enterprise plan and are not default willing to pay more for more intelligence. Most people I know who are on the enterprise plan are wishing there existed a 2x intelligent model with 2x price.
  - dakolli 6mo ago
    Because they are twice as stupid.
  - athoscouto 6mo ago
    2x intelligence != 2x results most tasks I can do better and faster with composer 2 a fellow engineer reported a bug on a code I had written a few months back. I used his report as prompt for composer 2, gpt-5.4-high and claude-4.6-opus-max-thinking. composer found the issue spot on. gpt found another possible vector a couple of minutes later, but a way less likely one and one that would eventually self heal (thus not actually reproducing what we observed on production). claude had barely started when the other two had finished also, i don't have a budget per se. but it is expected that i over deliver if i'm over spending
  - Jcampuzano2 6mo ago
    My company is going through the exact opposite, so it kinda depends on the company. We are actively encouraging our devs to NOT use Cursor because of how much more expensive it is compared to other tools we have from our calculations and they even considered dropping Cursor at contract renewal altogether due to their costs being higher than other tools.
bastawhiz 6mo ago
The only reason I use Cursor is because I want an ide with agents sometimes. I do not want a gui for just agents. I already have Claude for that if I wanted it. If they're planning to get rid of the ide and make Cursor purely vibe coding, they've lost me as a customer. Quite honestly, I've turned off almost all of the LLM features in Cursor. No more tab completion. No more agents for little changes. This week, the only code I wrote with agents was low-stakes front end code for our admin panel. Everything else was organic, free range, human-written code. And it's the first time in months I've felt this good about my job. Agents suck the soul out of programming for me by giving a few cheap dopamine hits. Truth be told, if Cursor removes the vs code bits, I'll probably see what Nova is like, or what Sublime has been up to. Or maybe kick the tires on Zed.
- thewhitetulip 6mo ago
  It looks like they revamped the agents window. They will not remove vscode bits
  - bastawhiz 6mo ago
    Maybe I'm just behind on the features, I didn't even know there was an agents window. There's an agents sidebar.
    - thewhitetulip 6mo ago
      Yeah, now there is a new agents portion on the left side I suppose. That window enables us to control cloud agents and the regular sidebar agents
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syntaxing 6mo ago
Wasn’t Composer 2 a “fine tune” of Kimi2.5?
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Vivolab 6mo ago
The identity confusion MeetingsBrowser describes is real, but I think there's a coherent product thesis underneath it: Cursor wants to be the surface where you interact with agents, not just the tool where you write code. The problem is that those two things require opposite UX philosophies. Agent-first needs ambient, background autonomy. Code-first needs precise, synchronous control. Trying to do both in one product means you're always making tradeoffs that frustrate one half of your users. Claude Code sidesteps this by not trying to be an IDE at all — it's just an orchestration layer you invoke from wherever you already work.
jerrygoyal 6mo ago
but have they fixed the jumping agent chat panel?
level87 6mo ago
The main reason we pay for cursor is for bugbot, that alone pays for itself 10x over. Personally I never use the actual IDE, and much prefer Claude code with helix in the terminal.
- jiggunjer 6mo ago
  So your company is fine giving access to their entire GitHub to a third party, and being locked into GitHub too? If their SaaS could work with local only repo setups it would be a better UX...
yangcheng 6mo ago
It's looks like antigravity's agent manager or codex app. Guess we have new unified interface now , IDEs have out grown vscode UX
AbstractH24 6mo ago
So what’s next for Antigravity?
DeathArrow 6mo ago
Cursor seem to selectively changed some plans. I use the $20 plan both at work and at home. Ar work I am still on 500 fast requests plan, so I can use quite some Opus 4.6 requests, but at home my quota is finished after about 14 Opus requests. For my personal use, I will probably switch to Forge Code or Pi and MiniMax 2.6, GLM 5.1 or Qwen 3.6. Cursor is getting too expensive.
lexcamisa54 6mo ago
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adamgoodapp 6mo ago
I used Cursor with Opus but was expensive. I've moved to Zed with Claude max plan and have enjoyed the fast editor and get way more out of my Max plan. Zed offers enough inline suggestions for free.
ddxv 6mo ago
I was loving Cursor for the agents and autocomplete which was amazing. When they started talking about the autocomplete being no longer a focus and looking towards these token blackholes I switched back to VSCode. At $10 a month it's even cheaper.
jaccola 6mo ago
Gotta give it to the Cursor team, they must have REALLY good numbers. They raised at a 9.9b valuation less than a year ago and now apparently targeting 50b. Makes no sense to me, the main driver of codex, Claude code, etc.. seems to be fixed cost plans that offer reduced token cost. Cursor doesn’t have a good model so they can’t offer that (at least not to the same extent).
- bengale 6mo ago
  Composer 2 is great tbh. It makes my over runs of the ultra plan much less painful.
frabia 6mo ago
Unfortunately, I think Cursor is making progressively more difficult to use other AI provider via extension, mostly due to the fact that they are reserving the secondary sidebar for their own chat interface. This makes it super unpractical to use the Codex and Claude extension, as now they all need to share the primary sidebar. (Before it was not optimal, but it was at least possible.) As many have pointed out, the cost of token via Cursor is prohibitive compared to having a CC or Codex subscription, so I think the new update brings little to current users, but reduces Cursor's usability. I think Cursor should go in the direction of embracing other provider's extensions and go for a more integrated and customizable IDE, rather than a one-solution-fits-all kind of an approach. Today I opened VSC again after a log time.
- teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
  I use Zed. Much less user hostile.
  - blurbleblurble 6mo ago
    Zed is incredible, such a relief
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  - Byamarro 6mo ago
    How does Zed compare to let's say vsc
    - teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
      Hard to say. I haven't launched VS Code or any of its derivatives since I first used Zed.
  - frabia 6mo ago
    The premise of Zed is quite appealing, but I'm not sure I'm ready to switch due to the missing extension ecosystem of VSC. For example, at the moment I'm using the Playwright and Vite ones to quickly run and debug tests.
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Oras 6mo ago
Reading comments, I’m curios why would someone spend thousands for LLM coding? What are you building to justify these skyrocketing token consumption? I’ve been using AI coding since GitHub copilot was in beta, used all IDEs in the market, and had very few occasions when I passed the $20 subscription limit. And when I did, that was when I decided to move from cursor to CC and Codex, and still, using them everyday and didn’t have to go above my limits.
- teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
  I think if you’re a professional and you’re actually coding for >4 hours per day it makes sense. Also if you’re one of those weirdos that likes to command an army of agents.
  - Oras 6mo ago
    Well I’m a software engineer and code more than 4 hours per day. But I do check the generated code, make sure it doesn’t go banana. I wouldn’t do multiple features at the same time as I have no idea how people are checking the output after that. I like AI coding and it accelerated my work, but I wouldn’t trust their output blindly
    - bodhiJhawken 6mo ago
      This is my thoughts exactly. It speeds up so much of what I do, simple tasks are amazing to delegate to AI and it leaves me with more time in the day to tackle the big tasks. My general rule of thumb now is I never get AI to build the bones of something which I believe I will need to build something else on top of later. But if it’s some throw away dead end feature that won’t require me to build more tooling on top of in future I’ll happily spin up a cloud agent and use the result.
      - teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
        They're really amazing for making one-off tools where you just need some clean output and can throw away the code afterwards. I had Claude Opus put together a data labeling web app with very little effort. Less work than creating an account on some SaaS and learning their system.
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jdthedisciple 6mo ago
I don't understand what problems this release is solving. I'm happy w my VS Code harness which has also improved A LOT just with the last update alone.
mc_escher 6mo ago
We liked using Cursor a lot, great developer experience assisted with AI. I am not sure if this is the right direction. Worth noting, a few weeks ago we got hit with $2500 of unauthorized usage during the weekend. We stopped using it because of security concerns, no 2FA, and some risky defaults: “Only Admins Can Edit Usage Settings” is off by default. Hard to trust in a team setting without stronger safeguards.
baq 6mo ago
cursor should be advertising multi-model adversarial reviews, I do this all the time and let me tell you things that slip through the cracks when opus or gpt write code that gemini catches are downright scary, on the backend anyway.
kisamoto 6mo ago
If only Zed had more extensions I would use it consistently over Cursor to be honest but for now Cursor remains my daily driver. I like the option for different models that I just don't get with Claude Code. I want an IDE to monitor files and understand the code, not just see snippets (I know that there is still the Editor view in Cursor but with the push towards the Agent view I feel it's headed into a Conductor direction and personally I'm not ready for that).
- nnucera 6mo ago
  Just in case all of them are forks from VS Code... I'm pretty much sure you can port the extensions (eg, I used to use VS Code, then I moved to Cursor, then to Windsurf and now I went away and switched to Antigravity but the first 3 were able to install the same extensions)
  - nika1975 6mo ago
    Zed is not a fork of VS Code. It is one of the few genuine new editors in the last few years. Written in Rust and much smoother than VS Code and its forks.
mstaoru 6mo ago
I echo the others' sentiments that I still strongly prefer to write code mostly manually, assisted by Tab completions, and only generate piecewise via Cmd+K where I'm not sure about APIs or forgot the exact syntax. Chatting in Ask only mode about more complex problems. Maybe I'm not a 10x developer, I'm fine with that. Cursor shoving Agents down my throat made me abandon and cancel it once this year. I jumped around between Sublime, Zed, VS Code, and alas none of them has a Tab completion experience that even remotely compares with Cursor, so I had to switch back. If possible, I'll probably stay on v2 until it's deprecated. Hope Zed catches by that time.
- merlindru 6mo ago
  Try Mercury by Inception. It's available as autocomplete in Zed. Last time I tried it, Zed had an API key hidden in their docs that allowed you to use it for free The crazy thing is that it's a diffusion-based LLM. That makes it very fast, like Cursor Tab, and the outputs seem very accurate in my limited testing (although I find Cursor Tab to still feel "like 10% better") --- That said, you should really give agentic coding a la Claude Code a try. It's gotten incredibly good. I still need to check the outputs of course, but after using it for 2-3 days, I've learned to "think" about how to tackle a problem with it similarly like I had to learn when first picking up programming. Once I did, suddenly it didn't feel risky and weird anymore, because it's doing what I would've done manually anyways. Step by step. It might not be as blackboxy as you think it is
- never_inline 6mo ago
  You might want to try this, one step ahead of Ctrl+K Define the interface and functions and let the AI fill in the blanks. Eg: I want XYZ class with methodFoo and methodBar which connects to APIabcd and fetch details. Define classes for response types based on API documentation at ...., use localLibraryXYZ for ABCD. This is the way I found to work well for me. I maintain a tight grip over the architecture, even the low level architecture, and LLM writes code I can't be bothered to write. I find tab completions very irritating. They're "almost" correct but miss some detail. I'd rather review all of that at once rather than when writing code.
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submeta 6mo ago
I prefer cli based coding agents (Codex or Claude Code). I use wezterm and tmux, split my screen, open neovim on the left, lazygit below neovim, my coding agent on the right.
sbochins 6mo ago
Not clear to me how cursor can remain relevant in the era of agent coding. The main things I care about now are navigation and quick editing. Vanilla VS Code or vim with some extensions does the job for me now.
sputr 6mo ago
I was a long time (relative to AI age) Cursor fan but have since abandoned it for Claude Code. Working on mostly php/laravel/js/vue stack the difference in the quality of models is insane. No other model can really compete with Opus, and using it through Cursor is just insanely expensive. So while the Cursor AI is great, especially for reviewing generated code, it just can't compete.
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- jboggan 6mo ago
  The fact that this is an AI generated comment makes this far funnier, despite being true.
- endyai 6mo ago
  "When Agent A writes code in one file that breaks Agent B's assumptions in another file." Each agent runs in a separate worktree or cloned copy of the repo, independently. When the task is done, a PR is opened. The issue you mentioned gets caught during merge conflicts. No different than a "real" dev team?
anonyfox 6mo ago
Just switched to Claude code with a max20 sub for ~200$/mo. Getting the same load done as previously with cursor api calls going over 7000$/mo. Now using the vscode/cursor plugin and have CC within cursor tabs natively - good combo, can recommend!
rounce 6mo ago
Why does nearly all product marketing these days have to be delivered via "personality led" marketing?
amadeuspagel 6mo ago
I can't tell you how much it pisses me off when on I click on an article on an english-speaking forum and see a german translation, despite having my browser configured to tell websites that I speak both german and english[1]. [1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/Accept-Language https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/...
rbbydotdev 6mo ago
I don't agree with this direction. There is entirely too much cognitive load in the interface. The challenge now is how to distill the massive output and information of agent work - this is just surfacing it all to you
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anon0834 6mo ago
I upgraded from cursor 2 to cursor 3 and the quality of generated code and the ability to follow instructions has dropped massively :(
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- foresterre 6mo ago
  I am a developer by profession and this is the opposite of what I would want. The code is your ground truth. If all else fails, the code should reasonably be able to tell you why, and by being able to read it, it makes me independent from some closed model.
  - toxik 6mo ago
    "I have never woodworked a day in my life, with Claude Carpenter I don't have to touch the work at all and can just vaguely ask for things and pray that it does something useful."
    - chamomeal 6mo ago
      I mean claude carpenter sounds pretty sick
      - WillAdams 6mo ago
        Until it builds a stairway which leads to an attic in such a way that the access is under the shallowest part of the roof and unusable. I've tried using the 3D generation stuff a bit, but it never worked out. Still amazed that folks such as: https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/1adcw41/i_am_completely_blind_and_this_is_my_first/ https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/1adcw41/i_am_comp... manage to get anything usable in 3D at all, but making an STL is a big difference from making a useful architectural structure.
    - darkhorse222 6mo ago
      If you're inexperienced you have no bookcase at all, going from that to a rickety bookcase is an enormous improvement. (Perhaps this is why some devs dislike it, perhaps they place the quality of their work very very high)
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treetopia 6mo ago
Devswarm.ai is something worth checking out too. Similar but it has a built in IDE and more tools for multi-agent development. Can manage multiple repos, worktrees and ai agents in one window. They have a free and paid version.
coopykins 6mo ago
The reason I used cursor, other than it being paid by my employer, is that it had a pretty good integration between IDE and the agent workflow. If I want to mostly direct 1 or more agents I go straight to claude code (codex at home.) But I still want to have a IDE at the end of the day, I do look and review the code. I still need to direct it to fix some things it doesn't do properly and I dont feel like giving up my understanding of the system I work with (despite what the vibe people say) I don't think it will lead to good outcomes or any benefit in the name of speed. So for me this direction goes against what I find useful in cursor, and entirely seems to look out for the the 10+ agents crowd. Which makes sense, these are the guys spending +200 $ subscriptions and so on. I'll go back to Zed + CC or Codex. By the way their new interface looks just like the Codex App.
Noumenon72 6mo ago
The instructions for say, https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees are for the 3.0 version now, and the version 2 docs lack images in Wayback Machine. Is there a way to see the old docs if you haven't upgraded?
toyetic 6mo ago
I've mostly switched to claude code ( using the intellij plugin ) since I like the functionality of claude code more. But I will say the one thing i miss is the tab autocomplete cursor has. It looks like they're mostly going in the direction of agentic development though with this which unfortunately doesn't interest me as much but maybe I'm missing out? I've seen a few people tout the power of using multiple agentic models on different git worktrees.
beemboy 6mo ago
I predict Cursor will be acquired by Anthropic to marry the UI with Claude code.
garganzol 6mo ago
Cursor works better for me than Claude Code. In my opinion, Claude intelligence is too narrow. Good luck explaining all the details to Claude, it tends to ignore them anyway. Like a middle-level SWE, it's too stubborn to appreciate them, and prefers to blast energy (tokens) on shuffling the lines instead of seeing a bigger picture. Cursor, in contrast, is a highly educated coder that gets you immediately. I've got an impression that Claude Code is more oriented on unattended development of CRUD applications, while Cursor is more refined and closer to a senior-level SWE/PhD for productive work in pair.
huntercaron 6mo ago
Really great improvements and can really feel the perf being a lot better. The surprisingly lacking thing for me is the worktree support is really behind other tools. Conductor/Composer/Superset etc realized making the sidebar PRs/worktree focused rather than chat focused can feel great. But Cursors worktree support seems underbaked?
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544 points by adamfeldman 6mo ago

wow, a mangled vscode fork that's now also codex? the future is so bright

So it has converged to the same UI/UX as the Claude/Codex desktop apps. If that's the case, why use Cursor over those more canonical apps?

babelfish 6mo ago
Model independence
- bigyabai 6mo ago
  That gap was closed by opencode months ago.
  - babelfish 6mo ago
    different products - CLI vs apps
    - bigyabai 6mo ago
      Not really, no. Coding CLIs are hugely popular with the "App user" crowd, see Claude Code.
      - simplyluke 6mo ago
        I think that's more fashion than anything. Every company I've worked at has still had a few engineers who insist on working exclusively in the CLI with vim/emacs prior to AI. Every other engineer used some flavor of a desktop app ranging from more minimal editors to incredibly complex IDEs. I expect we land back on UIs long term.
jtrueb 6mo ago
I kinda quit using it. The tab feature is useful when making minor or mundane changes, but I quite prefer the codex GUI if I am going to be relatively hands off with agents.
davidgomes 6mo ago
1. Cursor is multi-model, meaning you can use at least a dozen different models. 2. Cursor's UI allows you to edit files, and even have the good old auto-complete when editing code. 3. Cursor's VSCode-based IDE is still around! I still love using it daily. 4. Cursor also has a CLI. 5. Perhaps more importantly, Cursor has a Cloud platform product with automations, extremely long-lived agents and lots of other features to dispatch agents to work on different things at the same time. Disclaimer: I'm a product engineer at Cursor!
- eranation 6mo ago
  Computer use in the cloud for me is THE killer feature.
  - enraged_camel 6mo ago
    Can you elaborate on how you are using it?
    - eranation 6mo ago
      Basically set it up like a developer local env, then it just runs like an "openclaw" - with full control over its own env, with a browser, a shell, access to the local DB (e.g. install a local postgres). You basically get a video of the feature, screenshots, and it can also actually test itself, like a developer, clicking in the browser to test the feature. Game changer.
- neil_naveen 6mo ago
  Is there going to be any more development on the frontier of cursor tab completion and features like that (more focused on helping engineer's with llm's for complex tasks) since I feel this is the main reason I dont use claude code or codex. I want to be writing the code, since I want performant, small, codebases that I understand (I am writing eBPF stuff, so agentic coding doesnt work that well)
- simlevesque 6mo ago
  You can use almost any model with Claude Code.
liuliu 6mo ago
Brand recognition. Since "model-is-the-service", various previously-interesting companies become thin API resellers and the moat is between "selling a dollar for fifty cents" and Brand awareness. I am not saying this in bad faith. Model companies cannot penetrate every niche with the same brand recognition as some other companies you would consider as "API resellers" do.
tomjen3 6mo ago
I won’t, but it does have a couple features Codex lags, including remote SSH (huge, because the easiest way to sandbox your agent is to put it into a VM), and the ability to kicking things of on your mobile and finishing up on your desktop (again, really nice if you get a good idea out on a walk, or while talking to a colleague. These are features I am sure Codex will soon have, of course. Then there is the advantage of multiple models: run a top level agent with an expensive model, that then kicks of other models that are less expensive - you can do this in Claude Code already (I believe), but obviously here you are limited to something like Haiku.
lubujackson 6mo ago
For $20 a month, I can plan and implements a couple features in 4 hours with Claude. Then I have to wait. For $20 a month, I can plan and implement thousands of features using Composer 2 or Auto with Cursor. The usage limits are insanely higher. Yes, the depth of understanding is not Opus 4.6, but most work doesn't need that. And the work that does need it I pass to Claude. I can code 8 hours a day using LLMs as my primary driver spending just $40 a month.
- dgellow 6mo ago
  I mean, in that case, cannot you do the same by just using sonnet instead of opus?
- bentt 6mo ago
  Yep, Composer 2 has been quite good for me too. I only turn to Opus for major brainteasers.
- zwaps 6mo ago
  My man, have seen the Sonnet 4.6 tho
- mschulkind 6mo ago
  You can do this with copilot, for the $40/mo range, AND you get to use opus 4.6 for all of it. Copilot is absurdly cheap if you can make it fit your work profile.
- georgeven 6mo ago
  the codex limits are actually pretty high too. You might want to check it out.
  - daviding 6mo ago
    Agree with that, they seem really good limits for daily use on something like Chat GPT Pro $20 account. I'm in the curious situation of using the Codex CLI within Cursor IDE and not really getting value out of my $60 Cursor sub. Plus at every update it seems Cursor seems to break more of their UI in the 'not a cloud agent chat UI' vs the more traditional VSCode sort of layout of code first. I should probably cancel.
eranation 6mo ago
Computer use in the cloud is the main reason I use them. It's a game changer. It has its own dev env with a browser / shell and can test what it wrote (a bit of a hassle to set it up, but when it's working, wow)

jFriedensreich 6mo ago

Funny how in this space, once a company feels dead, you don’t even check out their release if the video looks decent, it would have to be totally revolutionary.

whicks 6mo ago

This seems like a mix of Claude Code and Superset (https://superset.sh/ https://superset.sh/). Interested to try it out and see how well it performs all the same.

seamossfet 6mo ago

Man, I wish they'd keep the old philosophy of letting the developer drive and the agent assist. I feel like this design direction is leaning more towards a chat interface as a first class citizen and the code itself as a secondary concern. I really don't like that. Even when I'm using AI agents to write code, I still find myself spending most of my time reading and reasoning about code. Showing me little snippets of my repo in a chat window and changes made by the agent in a PR type visual does not help with this. If anything, it makes it more confusing to keep the context of the code in my head. It's why I use Cursor over Claude Code, I still want to _code_ not just vibe my way through tickets.

whicks 6mo ago
Agreed completely on this (as a heavy daily user of Cursor). It's been the perfect in-between of coding by hand (never again!) and strictly "vibe coding" for me. Being able to keep my eyes on all the changes in a "traditional" IDE view helps me maintain a mental model of how my systems work. I'm hoping in this new UI in v3 I can still get that experience (maybe it's just hidden behind a toggle somewhere for power users / not shown off in the marketing materials).
- leerob 6mo ago
  I'm an engineer at Cursor, can try to clarify questions here. > I wish they'd keep the old philosophy of letting the developer drive and the agent assist. Even when I'm using AI agents to write code, I still find myself spending most of my time reading and reasoning about code. We very much still believe this, which is why even in this new interface, you can still view/edit files, do remote SSH, go to definition and use LSPs, etc. It's hard to drive and ship real changes without those things in our opinion, even as agents continue to get better at writing code. > I'm hoping in this new UI in v3 I can still get that experience (maybe it's just hidden behind a toggle somewhere for power users / not shown off in the marketing materials). This new interface is a separate window, so if you prefer the Cursor 2 style, that continues to exist (and is also getting better).
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aquir 6mo ago

Cursor is so good for what I do is that I've cancelled my Cursor subscription and went back to VSCode (w/o Copilot) for the diff review and code navigation.

furyofantares 6mo ago
I'm not following at all?
- vecter 6mo ago
  I assume they meant that "Claude Code is so good..." and that they cancelled Currsor and just use CC + VSCode.

Iolaum 6mo ago

Looking at the video cursor 3 UI looks very similar to the one I experience using OpenCode :D

pjmlp 6mo ago

What would all these companies do without Microsoft shipping VS Code as open source, probably still stuck with vi and Emacs. Still curious which ones will survive when the AI gold diggers finally settle.

vachina 6mo ago
There's also Eclipse.
- tipsysquid 6mo ago
  shudders does anyone pine for eclipes? I haven't used it in a decade, Im sure it has has evolved
  - ikidd 6mo ago
    It's still horrendous.
  - guzfip 6mo ago
    My job replaced eclipse with VSCode for Java+Spring development. Can’t say I miss eclipse, but a lot of the VSCode extensions seems to utilize old legacy eclipse stuff and has the bugs to match.
    - davnicwil 6mo ago
      Did you consider IntelliJ, even just the community edition? If not you really should. IntelliJ with Java is one of the best dev experiences I've ever had. I'm a VSCode fan for most other things but for Java I wouldn't even remotely consider using it over IntelliJ if I had the option :-)
    - pjmlp 6mo ago
      Your are still running Eclipse, Red-Hat and Microsoft run it headless. It is not old. Likewise Oracle VSCode version runs Netbeans headless.
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acedTrex 6mo ago

So they are just turning into another vibe code slop app? At least before they were tangentially still an actual developer tool, standard vsc windows, the code was the point etc. Now they offer really nothing interesting for professionals.

cyral 6mo ago
All the VS code stuff is literally still there
tredre3 6mo ago
> Now they offer really nothing interesting for professionals. That's a curious statement given that what they're doing is just becoming more like Claude Code, which seems extremely popular on this forum.

vially 6mo ago

Thought I'd give it a try and installed the latest version. Application crashes at startup on Linux (Wayland) with: "The window terminated unexpectedly (reason: 'crashed', code: '139')". Probably yet another instance of developers mostly testing and doing quality assurance on macOS/Windows.

jonasnelle 6mo ago
Hey, sorry about that! Some AUR packages share cursor in a way that isn't forward+backwards compatible across releases. We recommend using our official AppImage from https://cursor.com/download https://cursor.com/download Alternatively, please use a different AUR package that doesn't have these issues https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cursor-nightly-bin https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cursor-nightly-bin
- aeroevan 6mo ago
  I am using it on fedora from the yum repo and it's crashing for me too. $ rpm -q cursor cursor-3.0.4-1775123877.el8.x86_64 https://forum.cursor.com/t/sigsegv-in-zygote-type-zygote-on-fedora-43-kernel-6-19-cursor-3-0-4/156542 https://forum.cursor.com/t/sigsegv-in-zygote-type-zygote-on-... Apparently if launched with --verbose it works, but that's the same crash I was seeing without the verbose flag
- vially 6mo ago
  I prefer to avoid AppImages if I can but I gave it a try anyway and it still fails with exactly the same error. What made you think it's just a packaging issue?
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jiggunjer 6mo ago
I'm running it ok arch Wayland (sway), installed last month I think. Maybe related to your electron package.

extr 6mo ago

What is Cursor doing? They need to relax a little bit. Recently I saw they released "Glass" which WAS here: https://cursor.com/glass https://cursor.com/glass, now just redirects to /download. Is "Cursor 3" == Glass? I get they feel like their identity means they need to constantly be pushing the envelope in terms of agent UX. But they could stand to have like an "experimental" track and a "This is VS Code but with better AI integration" track.

leerob 6mo ago
Glass was a codename while the UI was in early alpha with testers. It redirects to download now because there is no special link anymore. It's just part of Cursor 3 itself.

weli 6mo ago

Stop fucking my shit up please

reasonableklout 6mo ago
Looks like the editor is still there, and the revamped UI is a new window you can open on the side.
AdrienPoupa 6mo ago
My exact reaction when they override my cmd+e shortcut and change the default layout every two months :)
Joel_Mckay 6mo ago
The output isn't yours, and never was due to copyright law opinion. The input isn't yours, as it is stolen and re-sold to other people. The model isn't yours, as it was built with piracy, theft of service, and EULA violations. What are people doing exactly... outside data-entry for free. =3

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throw03172019 6mo ago

I hope we can use it like non-agent developers where code is first class citizen.

wiradikusuma 6mo ago

Maybe I'm old, but I only recently started using Gemini to assist me in coding. Now it seems everyone is heading to giving agents to do the full-blown coding. I guess if the result code is good, it doesn't matter who's coding (me or AI). But are they affordable already for developers who don't earn a Silicon Valley salary? Developers in 3rd world countries?

seamossfet 6mo ago
I'm not convinced people who are doing real work on production applications with any sizable user base is writing code through only agents. There's no way to get acceptable code from these models without really knowing your code base well and basically doing all the systems thinking for the model. Your workflow is probably closer to what most SWEs are actually doing.
- simplyluke 6mo ago
  This, at least for me, has changed in the past six months. Which is the same thing people were saying in the months prior to that, so I will accept some eye rolls. But at least for our pretty large monorepo opus + a lot of engineering work on context got us to a point where a large portion of our engineers are doing most of their work with agents first and a lot of back and forth + smaller hand edits.
  - kypro 6mo ago
    Agreed. The size of the repo isn't a limiting factor anymore. It's more about the type of change. Agents today can generate solid code even for relatively complex requirements. However, they don't always make the right trade-offs. Just because something works doesn't mean it scales. It doesn't mean it can handle unexpected user input. It doesn't mean it's easily extensible. Today engineers really just need to define those high-level technical requirements.
    - simplyluke 6mo ago
      > Today engineers really just need to define those high-level technical requirements. At least within our company, this is quickly becoming what it means to be a software engineer.

6thbit 6mo ago

Looks like they're now playing catchup. What's the pitch for using Cursor now a days?

maipen 6mo ago
Good autocomplete for those of us who still write code.
- hollowturtle 6mo ago
  Me too, I have the bad feeling autocomplete will be sunsetted sooner or later, it clearly isn't the path they're getting into. Also it started to get worse lately, it tries too hard to predict, it wasn't like that some time ago, hopefully you know what I'm saying

maipen 6mo ago

So funny , I remember their talk about re-imagining their editor for the future of agents. They end up copying codex gui lol. These AI companies are running out of ideas, and are desperate. I can't imagine investing in companies that are 3 month behind open source alternatives, and their target audience being the most experimental kind there is. Looks pretty though.

slopinthebag 6mo ago

I really dislike this push away from augmentation and towards agents. I get that people want to be lazy and just have the LLM do all of their work, but using the AI as an augmentation means you are the driver and can prevent it from making mistakes, and you still have knowledge of the codebase. I think there is so much more we could be doing in the editor with AI, but instead every company just builds a chatbot. Sigh.

rvshchwl 6mo ago

I love Cursor. As a Product Manager who's not really had coding experience, it's been very useful. I'm able to have a browser on the side and make changes easily, and click through exactly what I want to change rather than having the LLM guess which component I'm talking about. Having multiple models has also been great, as well as the MCP integration. Most times I don't need all the MCPs, but I like being able to turn them on or off based on what I'm doing, like JIRA or Grafana. One of my favorite startups and I genuinely like to keep subscribing to them.

simplyluke 6mo ago

Daily cursor user who's been previewing this a bit while it was in alpha. I think it's a really solid release, and while cursor seems to have fallen out of the "cool kids club" in the past three months it remains the most practical tool for me doing AI-first work in a large production code base. The new UI works better in a world where agents are doing most of the work and I can hop back into the IDE interface to make changes. We've set up a linear integration where I can delegate simpler tasks to cloud agents, and the ability to pick that work up in cursor if I need to go back in forth is a real productivity boost. The tighter integration with cloud agents is something I've been hoping for recently. I appreciate not being tied at the hip to one model provider, and have never loved doing most of my work from the command line. I was on vs code + meta's internal fork of it for years prior to the current AI wave, so that was a pretty natural transition. I'm pretty optimistic on cursor's ability to win in the enterprise space, and think we're going to see open source models + dev tools win with indie devs over things like claude code as costs start getting passed down more and the gap between frontier models and open source gets tighter.

arrakeen 6mo ago

so just like how every chat app has to look like slack, every ide has to look like vscode, now every agent workspace has to look like the codex app? codex app, antigravity, and now this all have the exact same UI design...

cetinsert 6mo ago

CLIs are 100000× better than this non-sense.

jFriedensreich 6mo ago
No they are not. Tired of this 40 year old terminal setback instead of having real and beautiful GUIs. Its fine for some kind of people but don't think what works for you is acceptable for the other 50% of us.
- tyre 6mo ago
  I agree with you but what they're launching here is not a beautiful GUI. It's minimalist (in a bad way) and not really innovative.
  - jFriedensreich 6mo ago
    Oh yeah I am not talking about cursor, maybe what it felt like when it was 1.0. There will be a new breed of GUIs for people who don't touch terminals. Opencode web and devin code review have a little glimmer of that but it will probably look very different.

bentt 6mo ago

I’m a Cursor user but I am not an agent maximalist. I just like having it work on code in an IDE with good inline diffs and a nice chat UI. This change is possibly too big and unless all my existing usage patterns are maintained or improved, I’ll likely give CC a try now. Not optimistic.

all2 6mo ago
If you're in the market, OpenCode is quite good and has become my daily driver. You may also consider pi[0], but that's (from what I've heard) more agenty. [0] https://shittycodingagent.ai/ https://shittycodingagent.ai/
zenoprax 6mo ago
I only used Cursor in short bursts so 20 USD per month was hard to justify. I recently switched to VSCodium + Cline + OpenRouter and I can use any model I want (currently Step 3.5 Flash for "Temu Sonnet"). It scratches the itch very well for me for literal pennies on the dollar. I should also add: Cline doesn't require any account at all. I just installed the extension and added my OpenRouter API key and that was it.

babelfish 6mo ago

No per-agent auto-worktree? This is the killer feature of Conductor, having to type `/worktree` into every new chat isn't really a resolution. Not even sure what selecting 'Worktree' for a new chat does

jeffnv 6mo ago
i would expect it before the end of the month, why not?
ninininino 6mo ago
"having to type `/worktree` into every new chat isn't really a resolution" I don't know what you're talking about. My experience with Cursor (before this new v3) is that new Cursor agent tabs / cloud agents already intelligently manage worktrees to prevent conflicts.
- babelfish 6mo ago
  Wow, maybe something is wrong with my setup. In Cursor 3, I am clicking "New Agent" at the top left. My root repository is correctly listed on top of the composer, and I clicked the icon to the right of it and selected 'Worktree'. Then, I instruct the model to run `pwd` and tell me it's git status. It's always just on `main` in my root repository. I dug through the settings and couldn't find anything, and after finding this comment[0] on their forums gave up. Would you mind sharing a bit more about your setup/how it works? [0] https://forum.cursor.com/t/working-with-worktrees-in-cursor/153472/3 https://forum.cursor.com/t/working-with-worktrees-in-cursor/...
  - ninininino 6mo ago
    Wow, it seems I'm the fool here. I'm on Version: 2.6.19. Per https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees#how-is-this-different-from-the-previous-parallel-agents-feature-in-cursor https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees#how-is-this-... They apparently removed this in 3.0. - I couldn't begin to guess why. "Automatic management of worktrees was removed in Cursor 3.0 and replaced with the new commands /worktree and /best-of-n. We also have added worktree support for the Cursor CLI. Management of worktrees is now fully agentic. This makes it simpler to support use cases such as starting an agent, and only doing work in a worktree later on in the chat's lifecycle. /best-of-n makes comparing the results of multiple models much easier. The parent agent will provide commentary on the different results and you can pick the best one. Additionally, you can even ask the parent agent to merge different parts of the different implementations into a single commit. If you had agents that were previously running in a worktree, those chats will still work. However, you will need to use the new commands to start new agents in worktrees."

nu11ptr 6mo ago

I've been running Claude Code in my Cursor IDE for a while now via extension. I like the setup, and I direct Claude on one task at a time, while still having full access to my code (and nice completions via Cursor). I still spend time tweaking, etc. before committing. I have zero interest in these new "swarms of agents" they are trying to force on us from every direction. I can barely keep straight my code working on one feature at a time. AI has greatly helped me speed that up, but working serially has resulted in the best quality for me. I'll likely drop Cursor for good now and switch back to vanilla VsCode with CC.

fragmede 6mo ago
> have zero interest in these new "swarms of agents" they are trying to force on us from every direction. Good for you! Personally waiting for one agent to do something while I shove my thumb up my butt just waiting around for it to generate code that I'll have to fix anyway is peak opposite of flow state, so I've eagerly adopted agents (how much free will I had in that decision is for philosophers to decide) so there's just more going on so I don't get bored. (Cue the inevitable accusations of me astroturfing or that this was written by AI. Ima delve into that one and tell there was not. Not unless you count me having stonks in the US stock market as being paid off by Big AI.)
- wilkystyle 6mo ago
  I have personally found that I cannot context switch between thinking deeply about two separate problems and workstreams without a significant cognitive context-switching cost. If it's context-switching between things that don't require super-deep thought, it's definitely doable, but I'm still way more mentally burnt-out after an hour or two of essentially speed-running review of small PRs from a bunch of different sources. Curious to know more about your work: Are your agents working on tangential problems? If so, how do you ensure you're still thinking at a sufficient level of depth and capacity about each problem each agent is working on? Or are they working on different threads of the same problem? If so, how do you keep them from stepping on each other's toes? People mention git worktrees, but that doesn't solve the conflict problem for multiple agents touching the same areas of functionality (i.e. you just move the conflict problem to the PR merge stage)

zwaps 6mo ago

I like cursor and its workflow as a tool, but I do wonder whether moving to cloud (I mean for lots of the cool features) will work. Yes we all GET Cursor has to make money. No one is fooled what this is about. It's also fine, the video and screenshot thing is great. However, is this really a moat?

wg0 6mo ago

They're juggling on two ends. An IDE and bringing their own models. Kinda makes them "full stack". Nerve wreaking race. I think I'll switch over to cursor on trial basis.

hokkos 6mo ago

I don't think this is the direction where cursor users want to go, they basically free up the market for VSCode and Zed, and won't be able to compete against lab owning their model.

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numbers 6mo ago

I left cursor and went back to VS Code b/c the editing experience is basically the same and cursor was adding more and more agentic features which don't appeal to me. I'm a happy Claude Code user and having my code separate from the planning/brainstorming part of the task makes implementing its own step with me driving/writing the code.

eranation 6mo ago

The biggest killer feature Cursor has that so far no one else seems to have is cloud based computer use. It’s such a game changer. You get a walkthrough video instead of just diffs. But as soon as anthropic release it (their computer use is local only, no thanks) I might consider switching though. Mostly due to the subsidized $200 plan.

WhitneyLand 6mo ago

The features here don’t seem game changing. The most compelling parts are mostly already available in Claude or Codex or their related apps and services. The biggest concern is that if you want to use SOTA models I don’t see how they can match what you get with the subscription plans of Anthropic and Open AI, whether your spending $20 or $200 a month. Even if they could match what you get in terms of token quantity, they are giving their tools away for free for the foreseeable future and Cursor is not.

mgambati 6mo ago

Is composer 2 any good? Can it be compared to opus ou gpt 5.4?

dmix 6mo ago
No it's not very good. But when you run out of Claude tokens it's perfectly fine for small stuff. Cursor's inline autocomplete is very good though, much better than anything I could reproduce in Zed with various 3rd party "edit" LLMs (although checking google, they announced a new model since I tried it https://zed.dev/blog/zeta2 https://zed.dev/blog/zeta2)
jiggunjer 6mo ago
I ran parallel prompt with composer 2 and gpt5.3 codex. Composer did slightly better, in terms of variable naming and extra tweaks to loosely related files to keep the codeb consistent.

tyre 6mo ago

This is a really underwhelming UI for something that is agent-first. It looks like they're mimicking Notion. The next generation of interfaces are not going to look like an evolution into minimalist text editor v250. This is like people iterating on terminals before building native or web applications.

guzfip 6mo ago
> This is like people iterating on terminals before building native or web applications. TUIs blow most modern web apps out of the water in terms of UX

wahnfrieden 6mo ago

Cursor seems like far worse value than Codex with a ChatGPT subscription. Doesn't equivalent usage of the $200 subscription cost over $1000? I don't understand why people use it when you can just get multiple Pro subscriptions.

rbren 6mo ago

I still think every developer should be building their own IDE https://github.com/rbren/personal-ai-devbox https://github.com/rbren/personal-ai-devbox

flumpcakes 6mo ago

I don't understand how this product can be productively useful. It looks like any other AI chat bot, but I remember hearing people speak very positive things about it. What am I missing?

hollowturtle 6mo ago
You're missing nothing with this new ui. For me very good autocomplete + stuff than can be automated with an agent on the side while coding on the other was the peak. I want the control, control to activate/disable autocomplete and agents, I don't want to follow an imposed workflow

motbus3 6mo ago

Cursor died for me when they star putting limits and time waits everywhere even on more expensive plans. I totally preferred the other way, but at some point , there is boiler plate or organizations you just want done and it does not make sense to put you waiting minutes a time to confirme few refactors. That literally killed the vibe for cursor to me

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Gimpei 6mo ago

I used to have a pro-cursor subscription, but it was way too expensive because I'd always hit my limit. I realized I could just use claude code + the free version of cursor for autocomplete and it worked even better. At this point, I'm not understanding the value that cursor is bringing. A souped up claude code? All I have to do is wait a few months and anything useful will be in claude code or codex or whatever.

verelo 6mo ago
So unfortunately this is it for me too. I liked Cursor as a tool, but when i switched to Claude I realized i was getting WAY better value for money. I spent $1800 the month before, i spent $200 the next. I'm now switching between Claude and Codex for less than 1/4 of what I was spending in December.
causal 6mo ago
Yeah, I tried using their Composer model (which I guess is Kimi) and it just feels sub-Sonnet to me. Whereas a Claude Max sub gets me more Opus than I can use in a month. Which sucks because Cursor is clearly better than Anthropic at building UIs. CC desktop is buggy af. Codex is nearly Opus level though. Anyone know if OpenAI permits Max subs to be used in Cursor?

dalemhurley 6mo ago

Thanks, it is horrible. This is a massive step backwards. The IDE provides so much extra abilities that an agent simply can’t handle.

karmasimida 6mo ago

This is just Codex App, like even the font feels the same

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crimsonnoodle58 6mo ago

I'm confused how and if Cursor is still relevant since the Claude Code VSCode extension came out. The biggest downside for me with Cursor was losing access to gated Microsoft extensions like Python and C#. Even when vibing there are times you will still need a debugger or intellisense. I note in the comments lots of people saying they are moving back and this latest move looks like the final nail in the coffin for Cursor.

hollowturtle 6mo ago

Wow another big layer on top of forked vs code, that now looks like github with an agent. I'll totally pass

darepublic 6mo ago

What is the special sauce of cursor. As a harness I assume it's mostly context management right? And maybe some defensive coding to mitigate probabilistic llms? Is there any big difference between cursor and Claude code?

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kvisner 6mo ago

I find a lot of these IDEs are simply not as useful as a CLI. When I'm running a full agentic workflow, I don't really need to see the contents of the files at all time, I'd actually say I often don't need to at all, because I can't really understand 10k lines of code per hour.

nradclif 6mo ago
What role do you play in creating software? If you don't need to see any code, should your employer consider cutting your position? I'm very much pro-humans-in-the-workforce, but I can't understand how someone could be ok with doing so little at their job.
- owlstuffing 6mo ago
  There is a large and growing segment of executives in the software world that is pushing this model hard, like betting their career on it. To them the “dark factory” is an inevitability. As a consequence, not only are developers choosing this path, but the companies they work for are in varying degrees selecting this path for them.
  - dakolli 6mo ago
    Most, if not all of them, are shooting themselves in the foot. I've been saying this for a long time. The only thing LLMs actually are useful for is automating labor and reducing the amount a worker can demand for their work. Don't fall for this trap.
- jamiequint 6mo ago
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  - pona-a 6mo ago
    Then do you think this new data entry position is going to be smas well paying as your current one?

richardlblair 6mo ago

I recently cancelled my cursor subscription (and chatgpt), and went all in on pi.dev. The thing I've noticed is cursor was better at producing better results with a really shitty prompt. That said, well written prompts on pi.dev seem to be out performing anything I ever tried on Cursor. That may just be me, but it's what I've noticed in my work. This week I had 4 different agents, each with sub agents, all working on different tasks. Mostly greenfield work. My feedback was mostly nitpicky. I was pretty damn impressed

welder 6mo ago

Damnit, now I probably have to update my vscode plugin to support Cursor 3... I mean have a coffee or go for a swim while waiting on AI to update my vscode plugin to support Cursor 3. :P

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dominicholmes 6mo ago

Wow, really negative comments here! I'm not a cursor user, and I can't say I love the look of this UI, but my team and I are very heavy users of https://www.conductor.build https://www.conductor.build . Managing many agents, each in their own sandbox, felt like indisputably the future after using conductor for a day. We were a cursor company before conductor, but we cancelled all our seats around the time Opus 4.6 dropped because conductor was vastly more productive. So IMO, Cursor is definitely moving in the right direction w/ this -- the days of the IDE are numbered & they're correctly designing for the future. For me, there's no way to get into a flow state if I'm thinking about terminal windows and Claude Code. Even before conductor dropped on our team, I'd been building CLIs to spin up agent sandboxes on work trees -- but that still required a lot of terminal window management. My work now is usually: - 1 hard task (hard to think about more than 1 of these at once) -- localized to a sandbox, but with multiple agents in different convo threads - N simpler tasks (usually 4-8). These are usually one-shottable. They're a pleasure to come up with & ship. I'm thinking about and managing the hard task. When it's cooking for more than 10 seconds, I'm switching to an ez task and pushing them along. Just like OG coding -- hard to be in a flow state every day. But when it works, you can get an unbelievable amount of work done. I'll be walking around now, and I'll add voice notes of little tasks or cleanups I want to throw an agent at when I get home. Good products are made of 1000s of small, good decisions -- and now those are free to implement, the slowest part is writing them down as tickets.

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sidgarimella 6mo ago

imo there’s a clear greenfield to have doubled down on where cursor was before in proactively keeping devs appraised of the code that they’re generating, and bridging growing gaps between abstracted chat sessions and files/directory structures I might understand less and less This on the other hand feels like a clear reaction to cc/codex, in a way that even kind of builds an offboarding ramp?

athoscouto 6mo ago

Cursor has been my main AI tool for over a year now. I've been trying to use Claude Code seriously for over a month, but every time I do it, I get the impression that it would take me less work to do with Cursor. I'm on the enterprise plan, so it can get pricey. This is why I used to stick mostly to auto mode. Now Composer 2 has taken over as my default model. It is not as intelligent as OpenAI's or Anthropic's flagship models, but I feel it has as good as or better intuition. With way better pricing. It can get stuck in more complex tasks though. Being able to get in the loop, stop and instruct or change models makes all the difference. And that is why I've stayed in the editor mode until now. Let's see if 3.0 changes that.

muratsu 6mo ago
I find it interesting that you are on the enterprise plan and are not default willing to pay more for more intelligence. Most people I know who are on the enterprise plan are wishing there existed a 2x intelligent model with 2x price.
- dakolli 6mo ago
  Because they are twice as stupid.
- athoscouto 6mo ago
  2x intelligence != 2x results most tasks I can do better and faster with composer 2 a fellow engineer reported a bug on a code I had written a few months back. I used his report as prompt for composer 2, gpt-5.4-high and claude-4.6-opus-max-thinking. composer found the issue spot on. gpt found another possible vector a couple of minutes later, but a way less likely one and one that would eventually self heal (thus not actually reproducing what we observed on production). claude had barely started when the other two had finished also, i don't have a budget per se. but it is expected that i over deliver if i'm over spending
- Jcampuzano2 6mo ago
  My company is going through the exact opposite, so it kinda depends on the company. We are actively encouraging our devs to NOT use Cursor because of how much more expensive it is compared to other tools we have from our calculations and they even considered dropping Cursor at contract renewal altogether due to their costs being higher than other tools.

bastawhiz 6mo ago

The only reason I use Cursor is because I want an ide with agents sometimes. I do not want a gui for just agents. I already have Claude for that if I wanted it. If they're planning to get rid of the ide and make Cursor purely vibe coding, they've lost me as a customer. Quite honestly, I've turned off almost all of the LLM features in Cursor. No more tab completion. No more agents for little changes. This week, the only code I wrote with agents was low-stakes front end code for our admin panel. Everything else was organic, free range, human-written code. And it's the first time in months I've felt this good about my job. Agents suck the soul out of programming for me by giving a few cheap dopamine hits. Truth be told, if Cursor removes the vs code bits, I'll probably see what Nova is like, or what Sublime has been up to. Or maybe kick the tires on Zed.

thewhitetulip 6mo ago
It looks like they revamped the agents window. They will not remove vscode bits
- bastawhiz 6mo ago
  Maybe I'm just behind on the features, I didn't even know there was an agents window. There's an agents sidebar.
  - thewhitetulip 6mo ago
    Yeah, now there is a new agents portion on the left side I suppose. That window enables us to control cloud agents and the regular sidebar agents

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syntaxing 6mo ago

Wasn’t Composer 2 a “fine tune” of Kimi2.5?

edinetdb 6mo ago

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Vivolab 6mo ago

The identity confusion MeetingsBrowser describes is real, but I think there's a coherent product thesis underneath it: Cursor wants to be the surface where you interact with agents, not just the tool where you write code. The problem is that those two things require opposite UX philosophies. Agent-first needs ambient, background autonomy. Code-first needs precise, synchronous control. Trying to do both in one product means you're always making tradeoffs that frustrate one half of your users. Claude Code sidesteps this by not trying to be an IDE at all — it's just an orchestration layer you invoke from wherever you already work.

jerrygoyal 6mo ago

but have they fixed the jumping agent chat panel?

level87 6mo ago

The main reason we pay for cursor is for bugbot, that alone pays for itself 10x over. Personally I never use the actual IDE, and much prefer Claude code with helix in the terminal.

jiggunjer 6mo ago
So your company is fine giving access to their entire GitHub to a third party, and being locked into GitHub too? If their SaaS could work with local only repo setups it would be a better UX...

yangcheng 6mo ago

It's looks like antigravity's agent manager or codex app. Guess we have new unified interface now , IDEs have out grown vscode UX

AbstractH24 6mo ago

So what’s next for Antigravity?

DeathArrow 6mo ago

Cursor seem to selectively changed some plans. I use the $20 plan both at work and at home. Ar work I am still on 500 fast requests plan, so I can use quite some Opus 4.6 requests, but at home my quota is finished after about 14 Opus requests. For my personal use, I will probably switch to Forge Code or Pi and MiniMax 2.6, GLM 5.1 or Qwen 3.6. Cursor is getting too expensive.

lexcamisa54 6mo ago

fleets

adamgoodapp 6mo ago

I used Cursor with Opus but was expensive. I've moved to Zed with Claude max plan and have enjoyed the fast editor and get way more out of my Max plan. Zed offers enough inline suggestions for free.

ddxv 6mo ago

I was loving Cursor for the agents and autocomplete which was amazing. When they started talking about the autocomplete being no longer a focus and looking towards these token blackholes I switched back to VSCode. At $10 a month it's even cheaper.

jaccola 6mo ago

Gotta give it to the Cursor team, they must have REALLY good numbers. They raised at a 9.9b valuation less than a year ago and now apparently targeting 50b. Makes no sense to me, the main driver of codex, Claude code, etc.. seems to be fixed cost plans that offer reduced token cost. Cursor doesn’t have a good model so they can’t offer that (at least not to the same extent).

bengale 6mo ago
Composer 2 is great tbh. It makes my over runs of the ultra plan much less painful.

frabia 6mo ago

Unfortunately, I think Cursor is making progressively more difficult to use other AI provider via extension, mostly due to the fact that they are reserving the secondary sidebar for their own chat interface. This makes it super unpractical to use the Codex and Claude extension, as now they all need to share the primary sidebar. (Before it was not optimal, but it was at least possible.) As many have pointed out, the cost of token via Cursor is prohibitive compared to having a CC or Codex subscription, so I think the new update brings little to current users, but reduces Cursor's usability. I think Cursor should go in the direction of embracing other provider's extensions and go for a more integrated and customizable IDE, rather than a one-solution-fits-all kind of an approach. Today I opened VSC again after a log time.

teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
I use Zed. Much less user hostile.
- blurbleblurble 6mo ago
  Zed is incredible, such a relief
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- Byamarro 6mo ago
  How does Zed compare to let's say vsc
  - teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
    Hard to say. I haven't launched VS Code or any of its derivatives since I first used Zed.
- frabia 6mo ago
  The premise of Zed is quite appealing, but I'm not sure I'm ready to switch due to the missing extension ecosystem of VSC. For example, at the moment I'm using the Playwright and Vite ones to quickly run and debug tests.

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Oras 6mo ago

Reading comments, I’m curios why would someone spend thousands for LLM coding? What are you building to justify these skyrocketing token consumption? I’ve been using AI coding since GitHub copilot was in beta, used all IDEs in the market, and had very few occasions when I passed the $20 subscription limit. And when I did, that was when I decided to move from cursor to CC and Codex, and still, using them everyday and didn’t have to go above my limits.

teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
I think if you’re a professional and you’re actually coding for >4 hours per day it makes sense. Also if you’re one of those weirdos that likes to command an army of agents.
- Oras 6mo ago
  Well I’m a software engineer and code more than 4 hours per day. But I do check the generated code, make sure it doesn’t go banana. I wouldn’t do multiple features at the same time as I have no idea how people are checking the output after that. I like AI coding and it accelerated my work, but I wouldn’t trust their output blindly
  - bodhiJhawken 6mo ago
    This is my thoughts exactly. It speeds up so much of what I do, simple tasks are amazing to delegate to AI and it leaves me with more time in the day to tackle the big tasks. My general rule of thumb now is I never get AI to build the bones of something which I believe I will need to build something else on top of later. But if it’s some throw away dead end feature that won’t require me to build more tooling on top of in future I’ll happily spin up a cloud agent and use the result.
    - teaearlgraycold 6mo ago
      They're really amazing for making one-off tools where you just need some clean output and can throw away the code afterwards. I had Claude Opus put together a data labeling web app with very little effort. Less work than creating an account on some SaaS and learning their system.

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jdthedisciple 6mo ago

I don't understand what problems this release is solving. I'm happy w my VS Code harness which has also improved A LOT just with the last update alone.

mc_escher 6mo ago

We liked using Cursor a lot, great developer experience assisted with AI. I am not sure if this is the right direction. Worth noting, a few weeks ago we got hit with $2500 of unauthorized usage during the weekend. We stopped using it because of security concerns, no 2FA, and some risky defaults: “Only Admins Can Edit Usage Settings” is off by default. Hard to trust in a team setting without stronger safeguards.

baq 6mo ago

cursor should be advertising multi-model adversarial reviews, I do this all the time and let me tell you things that slip through the cracks when opus or gpt write code that gemini catches are downright scary, on the backend anyway.

kisamoto 6mo ago

If only Zed had more extensions I would use it consistently over Cursor to be honest but for now Cursor remains my daily driver. I like the option for different models that I just don't get with Claude Code. I want an IDE to monitor files and understand the code, not just see snippets (I know that there is still the Editor view in Cursor but with the push towards the Agent view I feel it's headed into a Conductor direction and personally I'm not ready for that).

nnucera 6mo ago
Just in case all of them are forks from VS Code... I'm pretty much sure you can port the extensions (eg, I used to use VS Code, then I moved to Cursor, then to Windsurf and now I went away and switched to Antigravity but the first 3 were able to install the same extensions)
- nika1975 6mo ago
  Zed is not a fork of VS Code. It is one of the few genuine new editors in the last few years. Written in Rust and much smoother than VS Code and its forks.

mstaoru 6mo ago

I echo the others' sentiments that I still strongly prefer to write code mostly manually, assisted by Tab completions, and only generate piecewise via Cmd+K where I'm not sure about APIs or forgot the exact syntax. Chatting in Ask only mode about more complex problems. Maybe I'm not a 10x developer, I'm fine with that. Cursor shoving Agents down my throat made me abandon and cancel it once this year. I jumped around between Sublime, Zed, VS Code, and alas none of them has a Tab completion experience that even remotely compares with Cursor, so I had to switch back. If possible, I'll probably stay on v2 until it's deprecated. Hope Zed catches by that time.

merlindru 6mo ago
Try Mercury by Inception. It's available as autocomplete in Zed. Last time I tried it, Zed had an API key hidden in their docs that allowed you to use it for free The crazy thing is that it's a diffusion-based LLM. That makes it very fast, like Cursor Tab, and the outputs seem very accurate in my limited testing (although I find Cursor Tab to still feel "like 10% better") --- That said, you should really give agentic coding a la Claude Code a try. It's gotten incredibly good. I still need to check the outputs of course, but after using it for 2-3 days, I've learned to "think" about how to tackle a problem with it similarly like I had to learn when first picking up programming. Once I did, suddenly it didn't feel risky and weird anymore, because it's doing what I would've done manually anyways. Step by step. It might not be as blackboxy as you think it is
never_inline 6mo ago
You might want to try this, one step ahead of Ctrl+K Define the interface and functions and let the AI fill in the blanks. Eg: I want XYZ class with methodFoo and methodBar which connects to APIabcd and fetch details. Define classes for response types based on API documentation at ...., use localLibraryXYZ for ABCD. This is the way I found to work well for me. I maintain a tight grip over the architecture, even the low level architecture, and LLM writes code I can't be bothered to write. I find tab completions very irritating. They're "almost" correct but miss some detail. I'd rather review all of that at once rather than when writing code.
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submeta 6mo ago

I prefer cli based coding agents (Codex or Claude Code). I use wezterm and tmux, split my screen, open neovim on the left, lazygit below neovim, my coding agent on the right.

sbochins 6mo ago

Not clear to me how cursor can remain relevant in the era of agent coding. The main things I care about now are navigation and quick editing. Vanilla VS Code or vim with some extensions does the job for me now.

sputr 6mo ago

I was a long time (relative to AI age) Cursor fan but have since abandoned it for Claude Code. Working on mostly php/laravel/js/vue stack the difference in the quality of models is insane. No other model can really compete with Opus, and using it through Cursor is just insanely expensive. So while the Cursor AI is great, especially for reviewing generated code, it just can't compete.

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jboggan 6mo ago
The fact that this is an AI generated comment makes this far funnier, despite being true.
endyai 6mo ago
"When Agent A writes code in one file that breaks Agent B's assumptions in another file." Each agent runs in a separate worktree or cloned copy of the repo, independently. When the task is done, a PR is opened. The issue you mentioned gets caught during merge conflicts. No different than a "real" dev team?

anonyfox 6mo ago

Just switched to Claude code with a max20 sub for ~200$/mo. Getting the same load done as previously with cursor api calls going over 7000$/mo. Now using the vscode/cursor plugin and have CC within cursor tabs natively - good combo, can recommend!

rounce 6mo ago

Why does nearly all product marketing these days have to be delivered via "personality led" marketing?

amadeuspagel 6mo ago

I can't tell you how much it pisses me off when on I click on an article on an english-speaking forum and see a german translation, despite having my browser configured to tell websites that I speak both german and english[1]. [1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/Accept-Language https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/...

rbbydotdev 6mo ago

I don't agree with this direction. There is entirely too much cognitive load in the interface. The challenge now is how to distill the massive output and information of agent work - this is just surfacing it all to you

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anon0834 6mo ago

I upgraded from cursor 2 to cursor 3 and the quality of generated code and the ability to follow instructions has dropped massively :(

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foresterre 6mo ago
I am a developer by profession and this is the opposite of what I would want. The code is your ground truth. If all else fails, the code should reasonably be able to tell you why, and by being able to read it, it makes me independent from some closed model.
- toxik 6mo ago
  "I have never woodworked a day in my life, with Claude Carpenter I don't have to touch the work at all and can just vaguely ask for things and pray that it does something useful."
  - chamomeal 6mo ago
    I mean claude carpenter sounds pretty sick
    - WillAdams 6mo ago
      Until it builds a stairway which leads to an attic in such a way that the access is under the shallowest part of the roof and unusable. I've tried using the 3D generation stuff a bit, but it never worked out. Still amazed that folks such as: https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/1adcw41/i_am_completely_blind_and_this_is_my_first/ https://www.reddit.com/r/openscad/comments/1adcw41/i_am_comp... manage to get anything usable in 3D at all, but making an STL is a big difference from making a useful architectural structure.
  - darkhorse222 6mo ago
    If you're inexperienced you have no bookcase at all, going from that to a rickety bookcase is an enormous improvement. (Perhaps this is why some devs dislike it, perhaps they place the quality of their work very very high)
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treetopia 6mo ago

Devswarm.ai is something worth checking out too. Similar but it has a built in IDE and more tools for multi-agent development. Can manage multiple repos, worktrees and ai agents in one window. They have a free and paid version.

coopykins 6mo ago

The reason I used cursor, other than it being paid by my employer, is that it had a pretty good integration between IDE and the agent workflow. If I want to mostly direct 1 or more agents I go straight to claude code (codex at home.) But I still want to have a IDE at the end of the day, I do look and review the code. I still need to direct it to fix some things it doesn't do properly and I dont feel like giving up my understanding of the system I work with (despite what the vibe people say) I don't think it will lead to good outcomes or any benefit in the name of speed. So for me this direction goes against what I find useful in cursor, and entirely seems to look out for the the 10+ agents crowd. Which makes sense, these are the guys spending +200 $ subscriptions and so on. I'll go back to Zed + CC or Codex. By the way their new interface looks just like the Codex App.

Noumenon72 6mo ago

The instructions for say, https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees https://cursor.com/docs/configuration/worktrees are for the 3.0 version now, and the version 2 docs lack images in Wayback Machine. Is there a way to see the old docs if you haven't upgraded?

toyetic 6mo ago

I've mostly switched to claude code ( using the intellij plugin ) since I like the functionality of claude code more. But I will say the one thing i miss is the tab autocomplete cursor has. It looks like they're mostly going in the direction of agentic development though with this which unfortunately doesn't interest me as much but maybe I'm missing out? I've seen a few people tout the power of using multiple agentic models on different git worktrees.

beemboy 6mo ago

I predict Cursor will be acquired by Anthropic to marry the UI with Claude code.

garganzol 6mo ago

Cursor works better for me than Claude Code. In my opinion, Claude intelligence is too narrow. Good luck explaining all the details to Claude, it tends to ignore them anyway. Like a middle-level SWE, it's too stubborn to appreciate them, and prefers to blast energy (tokens) on shuffling the lines instead of seeing a bigger picture. Cursor, in contrast, is a highly educated coder that gets you immediately. I've got an impression that Claude Code is more oriented on unattended development of CRUD applications, while Cursor is more refined and closer to a senior-level SWE/PhD for productive work in pair.

huntercaron 6mo ago

Really great improvements and can really feel the perf being a lot better. The surprisingly lacking thing for me is the worktree support is really behind other tools. Conductor/Composer/Superset etc realized making the sidebar PRs/worktree focused rather than chat focused can feel great. But Cursors worktree support seems underbaked?

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