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Bring bathroom doors back to hotels
- aallaall 10mo agoAlways interesting to see the privacy fear of americans. The rest of the world isn’t afraid of non-sexual intimacy with friend/family.
- Ylpertnodi 10mo agoAnd europeans.
- crazygringo 10mo agoPooping isn't intimacy. This doesn't have anything to do with Americans.
- a2dam 10mo agoI've been talking about making a site like this for years! It is easily the number two criteria I have when looking for hotels after location.
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- ChrisArchitect 10mo agoRelated: What happened to bathroom doors? [video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPGUTyo9Yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPGUTyo9Yk (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46062242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46062242)
- akersten 10mo agoIt's not about saving a few bucks on a door. It's about discouraging you and your friends from sharing a single room. Hotel sees the money they're leaving on the table and will trade you for it for the low price of watching your buddies do their business.
- autoexec 10mo agoIt's far more likely to discourage me and my friends from staying at that hotel entirely.
- throitallaway 10mo agoHow many people consider what a bathroom looks like before booking a hotel room? I can't say I've ever done so.
- RoyTyrell 10mo agoUntil recently, you never had to think about it. But as it becomes more common it will become something you might want to consider.
- mumber_typhoon 10mo agoAnd until then they will milk as much money as possible. If there is outrage or they see sales dropping, a few thousand dollars per hotel will replace those rooms with doors leaving with net profit and steady shareholder growth. Some statistical analysis ppt made by some mid level MBA must have proposed this and got a promotion.
- eru 10mo ago> Some statistical analysis ppt made by some mid level MBA must have proposed this and got a promotion. Not necessarily. Just like natural evolution doesn't requite its participants to understand themselves, neither does the market require anyone at a business to understand why they are successful.
- autoexec 10mo agoThis is why it falls on us to not simply put up with what little they expect us to settle for. Ask about their privacy and bathroom doors when booking and if caught by surprise by a lack of an actual door or inadequate privacy demand a new room, or go elsewhere taking a refund if necessary. I have to admit that I'm getting very tired of the unsustainable push for endless growth driving companies everywhere to jack up prices as high as people will tolerate and then also delivering the least and worst product/service they can possibly get away with on top of it. It means that everything is getting shittier unless you're willing to spend insane amounts of money to get what used to be standard and more affordable. It's becoming exhausting maintaining a list of businesses I no longer want to give money to and products/services I won't pay for. This is especially true as companies change names, redesign products, and buy up one another. the list just grows and grows all the time.
- pests 10mo agoThe purpose of no bathroom doors is to limit their use to single people or couples. They want business travelers to get a separate rooms or upgrade.
- jakereps 10mo agoI can assure you not even single people nor couples want doorless bathrooms.
- echelon 10mo agoWhy? I'd prefer a doorless bathroom. One of my bedrooms at home opens into an open concept bathroom. No doors, vaulted ceilings, open. I really don't get this. I don't want to feel claustrophobic. Edit: Like these - https://34stjohn.com/blogs/inspiration/how-to-pull-off-an-open-plan-bedroom-bathroom-design https://34stjohn.com/blogs/inspiration/how-to-pull-off-an-op...
- nehal3m 10mo agoSo you can take a dump with some privacy, obviously.
- echelon 10mo agoThere must be two types of people/couples. Those that prefer privacy and those that don't care.
- nehal3m 10mo agoA door has two states to choose from, so having a door covers all use cases.
- mothballed 10mo agoAnd a third type, people who have had children so have gone through the toddler stage where a toddler would literally chainsaw and burn down a locked door before they let you have 3 seconds of peace to take a shit.
- GaryBluto 10mo agoThis is a thing? I've only stayed at Premier Inns (a budget UK hotel chain) and have never heard of anything like this happening.
- ghaff 10mo agoI've seen it in the US in smaller dense urban rooms and it's honestly something I've never thought about. It's honestly something it would never occur to me to write a blog post about. But I guess it's one of those things that some people are sensitive about.
- krona 10mo agoI first encountered it at a Hotel du Vin (UK) about 10 years ago.
- bluGill 10mo agoHigh end hotels are more likely to follow the fads in my experience. The cheap ones have a door but it might be damaged
- m-hodges 10mo agoWSJ did a good explainer on hotel room design anti-patterns: https://youtu.be/116cwKs2XQs https://youtu.be/116cwKs2XQs
- petepete 10mo agoKendra Gaylord released a video on the topic yesterday too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPGUTyo9Yk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPGUTyo9Yk
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- stickfigure 10mo agoI watched this and it doesn't seem like anti-patterns to me? I spend more time in hotels than most and ironing boards, closets, minibars, and "bigger rooms" are not things I care about. I don't hang out in the room; it's a box I enter to shower and sleep.
- hdgvhicv 10mo agoThings I want, Socket next to bed, light switch next to bed, decent mattress and pillow, blackout blinds, no noise from next door/corridor I do like a good shower too, rather than those stupid bath things like it’s the 1980s, and get rid of American hotels which seem to be allergic to providing shower gel
- al_borland 10mo agoIt blows my mind that sockets on the nightstand aren’t standard by now. I just stayed at the Westin in Rome, supposedly a 5 star place, but I don’t think it’s been updated in 30 years. I had to move the nightstand and unplug a lamp, so I could plug my phone in next to the bed. So go get my phone socket I had to lose the lamp. It didn’t even have an alarm clock on the nightstand; there would have been nowhere to plug it in. Maybe they expect everyone to get a wake up call, but the phone was across the room too. I used to travel with a little power strip, but stopped since I never actually used it. That place needed one badly. It did have bathroom door though, so it had that going for it.
- Teever 10mo agoI'm interested to see where zoning laws permit this kind of stuff.
- ghaff 10mo agoNot sure why it would be a zoning thing.
- mothballed 10mo agoZoning does a lot of weird things. My zoning laws require me to put immediate hot water at every faucet. there is no code requiring it. There is zero safety issue.
- quickthrowman 10mo agoIt sounds like your local AHJ has adopted additional requirements above and beyond the Uniform Plumbing Code, this isn’t out of the ordinary but that seems excessive when a hot water recirculation pump on a time-of-day timer would be far more cost effective, it’s a $200 pump and an extra 20 feet of water supply line. Does someone in local government own a plumbing contractor or plumbing supply company? That’d be my guess anyways.
- mothballed 10mo agoThere's actually no plumbing code (checks) for my house. I could drop my poop right out the back of the house and pull my water through lead pipes from a mosquito swamp into my sink. As long as it is immediately heated it is fine. It is literally the only requirement. My permit explicitly says they will check absolutely nothing but how far the house is from the property line and that I have immediate hot water.
- quickthrowman 10mo agoHaha that’s crazy, there has to be someone with a financial interest in instant hot water heaters making bank from that. If it was conservation they’d mandate ultra low flow toilets and other water saving measures. Is this a township or similar level of government?
- paulpauper 10mo agohad no idea this was a 'thing' .
- Havoc 10mo agoOn insta I'm seeing more stories about people reviewing/mocking OPS (Open plan shi.tters) on rental websites like rightmove. Boldest choice thus far was the one with the OPS next to the kitchenette. There are some very strange people out there...
- hdgvhicv 10mo agoA lot of rightmove ones are old people who need access to a toilet and don’t have room to install a whole new bathroom
- Havoc 10mo agoYeah, the joys of London real estate market :(
- hdgvhicv 10mo agoIt’s not exactly unknow. My nan lived in a big 3 bed semi in the midlands, but my grandad was bed bound and lived in the conservatory for 7 years. He had a portable commode but having a flushing toilet would have worked too. Sometimes health means having a toilet in your bedroom is more important, and having a door is meaningless when you can’t even get into the toilet without two carers lifting you there.
- autoexec 10mo agoOnly once have I seen anything like this. The room had a bathroom door, but also a giant hole cut out in the wall so that everyone in the room could peer into the bathroom for some reason. We demanded a different room with a complete wall separating the bathroom and got one (a nicer one at their expense too).
- kotaKat 10mo agoThe Brookstreet Hotel in Kanata (just outside Ottawa), Ontario has bathrooms with windows in them. There's a shade inside the glass, but still... did I really need to open the blinds to my bathroom? https://www.brookstreethotel.com/rooms/double-queen https://www.brookstreethotel.com/rooms/double-queen
- hdgvhicv 10mo agoHaving natural daylight in the bathroom is a plus for me.
- autoexec 10mo agoIt's also a major plus for perverts.
- hdgvhicv 10mo agoWhich perverts? If you want to share a room get a bed in a hostel. Is sharing a room with strangers - or worse work colleagues - really that common in the US? What do you do with the bed? Or are you happy lying asleep next to a stranger , but not having a shower in sight (even if the shower was really open to the room which I can’t think I’ve ever seen) What do you do at the gym/spa?
- randycupertino 10mo agoWhen I stayed in the Dubai airport hotel not only was it $550 a night for a basic tiny room and there were there no bathroom doors but there was a GIANT painting of the king of dubai both in the bathroom and the bedroom! The one in the bedroom was almost floor to ceiling size. I hung a towel over him. It was super creepy and felt like his eyes were watching you as you walked around the room.
- nutjob2 10mo ago> I hung a towel over him. Be careful, that's probably a felony.
- analog31 10mo agoIn The Good Soldier Svejk, the tavern keeper Pavilec is arrested for taking down his portrait of Emperor Franz Josef, because the flies were shitting on it.
- lysace 10mo agoSeems like it. Randy from Cupertino should probably avoid visiting UAE again. https://uaelegislation.gov.ae/en/legislations/2131 https://uaelegislation.gov.ae/en/legislations/2131 > Section Two: Crimes and Penalties; 2. Slander, challenge, or insult the Divine Essence: > Anyone who commits one of the acts stipulated in Clauses (2, 3, and 5) of Article (4) of this Decree by Law, by any means of expression or other forms or by using any means, shall be punished by imprisonment for a period of not less than one year and a fine of not less than (AED 250,000) two hundred and fifty thousand UAE Dirhams and not exceeding (AED 1,000,000) one million UAE Dirhams, or by one of these two penalties. While this is obviously grotesque, it's both funny, sad and telling that the overarching name for the legislation is Federal Law by Decree Concerning Combating Discrimination, Hatred and Extremism. UAE learned this from the US/Europe.
- Nextgrid 10mo ago> the Divine Essence Surely this refers to God/Allah though. I would expect using such a monkier to refer to the king would be shirk (associating/comparing something with God), one of the worst sins in Islam. So Randy is probably safe.
- kylecazar 10mo agoWe need to raise the price of our rooms. Take the doors off the hinges in half, call them 'standard', and the rest are now 'premium'.
- fragmede 10mo agolike adding basic to basic economy for plane tickets, and adding an even lower class of service
- tgsovlerkhgsel 10mo agoIn my experience, hotels in most of the world already ~doubled their rates since COVID while also taking the door...
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- rjdj377dhabsn 10mo agoHuh.. I've stayed in over 1,000 hotels and Airbnbs over the last 15 years and not once saw a bathroom with no door. Lots of bathroom windows, but always some kind of door.
- scuff3d 10mo agoDitto. I've never seen this before. They always have at least those sliding doors.
- etskinner 10mo agoThe author of the site considers sliding doors not a real door
- cammikebrown 10mo agoA lot of them are becoming barn style sliding doors, with large gaps. So if you’re making some noise, everyone will hear you.
- op00to 10mo agoPeople make noise when they piss and shit. It’s not scandalous.
- _carbyau_ 10mo agoA toilet door is a basic no brainer. Unless you want any others to watch or - if travelling alone - you want your bedroom area to smell the same as your freshly shat-in toilet... But then hotel do dumb things like fully enclose a barfridge in a cupboard too.
- refulgentis 10mo agoI hate to say it, but lowkey airflow is not stopped by doors.
- darth_avocado 10mo agoThere’s a big difference between a ocasional whiff and a massive stinker.
- SoftTalker 10mo agoIf it smells that bad something is wrong with your diet.
- z500 10mo agoIt's half dead bacteria, it's not supposed to smell like a bed of roses.
- toast0 10mo agoTravel messes with a lot of people's systems.
- darth_avocado 10mo agoThat’s not remotely true. There are plenty of health conditions that affect this. Alcohol consumption can affect it. Completely normal diets with specific foods can affect how stinky your poop is. Non standard but healthy diets also can do the same. There’s a lot more to it.
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- dexzod 10mo agoBasically, just like the airlines, the hotels are saying if you are such a broke destitute to be able to upgrade to our premium tier, then go suffer in the smell of your own shit.
- nrhrjrjrjtntbt 10mo agoDont give those airlines ideas. A doorless toilet at the back of the plane would be awesome (traditional usage of word)
- forthwall 10mo agoI noticed in East Asia, they also have some tendency to have floor to ceiling windows through the whole bathroom to the bedroom, sometimes with no curtain either. I am not sure who this is for
- m463 10mo agoI've seen that in japan, but they had a switch that would electronically switch off the window (it would become opaque white).
- netsharc 10mo agoThe legend is that if you invite a lady for the night, it's so you and she can keep an eye on each other, in case either is worried about one going through their stuff/wallet while the other is in the bathroom. I stayed in such a hotel, and getting up to go the bathroom I noticed someone had flicked a business-card-sized advertisement under the door, for said companionship...
- octoberfranklin 10mo agoHotel safes are a much simpler solution to this problem...
- arrty88 10mo agoLove this. I was super scared the first time i was booking travel to Europe with a newish girlfriend.
- dangus 10mo agoIf you’re doing intentional travel with a significant other you should probably already be at the “pooping with the door open” phase.
- system2 10mo agoIn my long dating years, I've never pooped my bathroom door open. Never even farted next to a girl. Is this disgusting behavior normal to some people?
- dangus 10mo agoDid you ever get married or did your relationships always end when they complained that you weren’t giving them your full self?
- system2 10mo agoI had 4yr+ relationships. I am a shy pooper; I can't poop when someone watches me, while I fart or potentially destroy the toilet bowl. And also, there is the smell. Is "giving them full self" going full ape? Not judging, I am just curious, I don't talk about this with my other friends usually. Most guys don't share these weird details; it does not come up.
- dangus 10mo agoThere was meant to be a layer of humor in my comments… Maybe not everyone literally poops with the door open with their significant other but I’d personally have a hard time marrying someone who couldn’t exchange farts for a laugh.
- ohhnoodont 10mo agoI’m glad that someone has built this and made it their personal crusade, but this is a problem that I can’t relate to having. I find it far more uncomfortable/intimate to sleep next to someone (even if in separate beds) than to shower or use the toilet in front off someone. Snoring, farting, dream talking, morning erections, etc. Somehow I seem to be in the minority with this opinion. But if we’re sharing a room we’re probably pretty comfortable with each other.
- puppycodes 10mo agoisnt the compromise usually that the stalls have fully enclosed doors if the bathroom doesnt? Personally I like having both. Doors are great for a variety of reasons, not just privacy.
- m463 10mo agoAlso bring back brighter lighting? Is it just me, or have hotel rooms gotten dimmer? It seems less cheerful.
- xlbuttplug2 10mo agoThat's probably intentional to prevent you from realizing how unsanitary the room really is.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 10mo agoNot sure if they have gotten dimmer. Possibly the opposite: I don't remember having noticed it recently (but I've also travelled a lot less), but I do remember being very annoyed by this many years ago. No idea why hotels were doing it, neither LEDs nor the electricity for them are that expensive and I doubt anyone wants to be stuck in a dark cave.
- junon 10mo agoHave had some where the shower is just glass panels for the room to see (and no, it wasn't that kind of hotel). Another hotel in a small town here in Germany where it had shutter-style doors and where the roof of the bathroom didn't go all the way to the actual ceiling, so you can hear everything. Both in the name of aesthetic, clearly.
- happyrock 10mo agoI stayed at one in Iceland where the entire bathroom wall facing the living room was unfrosted glass, including the door. The living room was open concept so it was hard to avoid seeing into the bathroom. Great place for couples to bring their entire selves to the relationship.
- dreamcompiler 10mo agoI applaud this effort. Now I wish someone would do one for hotels where the shower controls seem designed for maximum confusion. I'm pretty sure there are conventions for hotel shower designers where they compete to make showers that spray you with freezing or scalding water or simply make it impossible for water to come out at all, while the controls look maximally pretty.
- lvspiff 10mo agoI've found the hotel the shower controls are akin to a bop-it...pull it...twist it...hit it....twist it....pull it....
- meisel 10mo agoWhile we’re at it, bring back shower doors/curtains. It’s such a pain having this huge puddle outside the shower just because they decided it shouldn’t have one. It’s not so common to be missing one in US hotels, but it’s common internationally. Edit: apparently the virus has spread, and some US hotels now don’t have them
- nlh 10mo agoI’ve never understood this - it’s maddening. I grew up in the US and the bare minimum was always at least a shower curtain (inner and outer), and if not that, a proper door. Why on earth did this half-pane of glass become standard in so many places. It’s completely ineffective and ends up with water everywhere.
- Symbiote 10mo agoThe bathroom needs to be destined properly. My shower in Denmark has no door, and no curtain, but the splashes don't reach very far away, and aren't in the way of anywhere I'd want to walk after showering anyway. I've often seen hotel bathrooms in other countries that get this wrong. In the worst case, splashed water from the open shower runs all across the bathroom, and in one case (a Grand Hyatt!) into the main room carpet. Did the designers not know water flows down?
- orev 10mo agoThe half pane of glass is appropriate in warm parts of the world where you want the heat to be removed as quickly as possible. I suspect some hotel executive thought it looked cool in Miami, then made it the standard for the whole chain.
- Arainach 10mo agoIt's not even appropriate there. Ventilation should be determined by the fan, not the aperture. Even in Miami, I don't want the entire bathroom floor flooded, and I want to be able to close the curtain/door and increase the humidity in the shower.
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- ww520 10mo agoLondon, Marriot, W. Sink in the bedroom. Just No. https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/2e/9a/95/bf/guest-bathroom-walk-in.jpg https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/2e/9...
- Vaslo 10mo agoI’m in the states and haven’t seen this despite a lot of travel but I’ll be looking out for it now!
- netcan 10mo agoIf you're cofortable enough to share a hotel room, you should be willing to watch them poop. Lighten up.
- Spooky23 10mo agoThe hotel industry is bizarre. I feel like we hit this maxima circa 2005 where prefabrication made for the shockingly cheap/nice Hampton Inn style hotels in the US. Now those places anre on the wrong side of the depreciation curve, and every chain hotel is a little worse every day. They bill upfront since COVID, don’t clean the room, shrink the towels and deliver a shittier level of service. I was at a Marriott recently where the room had no linens - no towels, sheets, pillows, nothing. I called and was instructed to do everything myself, and the hotel GM’s attitude was that “shit happens”.
- jen20 10mo agoI’d assume that was a franchise hotel, and calling Marriott corporate would have got you some compensation at minimum.
- ghaff 10mo agoYeah, I'm sure I've spent hundreds of nights in Marriott properties and never not had linens.
- Spooky23 10mo agoI did. They told me to go pound it and talk to the GM. I ended up getting 15,000 points. I probably have ~100 hotel nights a year, that’s only happened once. But the experience is dramatically worse since Covid. They used it as an excuse and then re-baselined the service. Worse product, worse services, higher prices.
- jen20 10mo agoThe change in baseline provision is certainly true. I did a similar number of nights to you this year, but have certainly never encountered a lack of linens and would consider a credit card chargeback if I ever did.
- renewiltord 10mo agoThe bottom quintiles saw their wages rise a lot corresponding to every other group. You’re just seeing the results of the fact that people are too costly to spend on this.
- dreamcompiler 10mo agoI wonder if this is because hotels are in a race to seem "cool" and "edgy." Will this trend get to the point where they cut a hole on the middle of the mattress and tell you to just lie down and shit right there?
- mseaworthy 10mo agoAlong with a closing door, a nice loud exhaust fan is appreciated.
- lucgommans 10mo agoMore than 200 hotels already on this website. Wouldn't this be much more useful as an OpenStreetMap tag so people can find and share these good/bad hotels in whatever front-end they like? There does not seem to be a tag for it yet. That there are apparently hundreds of instances, and it being definitely something you'd want to select for, makes me think it's a good fit for OSM. Currently, hotels can already have tags like phone number, reception opening hours, WiFi fees, etc. It might even be a good fit for the toilets:* namespace, since this has overlap with toilets in (semi-)public spaces offering different levels of privacy
- Stevvo 10mo agoYou can't put affiliate links in OSM tags.
- crazygringo 10mo agoThe list doesn't seem to be accurate. I looked at a few and found zero evidence of missing bathroom doors in reviews or photos. One even had a review complaining the bathroom door was broken and not closing fully... indicating it is actually there.
- lucgommans 10mo agoThe website has no open data license so this isn't usable for OSM, even if we wanted to. I just meant to propose collaborating on an existing platform where we already have a lot of data about physical features, rather than erecting an ephemeral platform for this special purpose
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- bigstrat2003 10mo agoWait.. there are hotels which don't have a door on the bathroom? I have literally never seen that. Is this degeneracy uncommon in the US or have I just gotten lucky?
- randycupertino 10mo agoIt's becoming trendy, so people book larger suites instead and also so the hotels can save money on doors and easier for housekeeping. They're getting rid of shower doors too. Nate Barzgate does a good bit on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgtgjA_UiAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgtgjA_UiAo I stayed at a super fancy hotel in Napa for a work event that didn't even have a WALL separating off the bathroom it was just a half-partition sheer panel thing.
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- etskinner 10mo agoThe author of the site considers sliding barn doors 'not real doors'
- jonstewart 10mo agoIf this is a trend, I have not noticed it. Are there particular brands and/or regions where there is happening?
- morshu9001 10mo agoOk so it's not just me. I keep staying in hotels where there's a bathroom door, but it's partially see-through. Clearly they were ok spending the money for a door but decided they don't want to give privacy. Didn't bother me, but it stuck out.
- amarant 10mo agoWorst I've ever seen was a bathroom that didn't have walls! Well, there was this hip-high divider wall, barely enough to hide my cheeks while I took a shit. Forget about masking sounds and smell. I generally enjoy eye contact with my wife, but not while I'm pooping!
- system2 10mo agoThis site showed me a few links, like booking.com. Booking.com took 40 seconds to load with all its weird JavaScript, popups, and blocks. Is this the norm to have extremely heavy sites like this? One doorless bathroom if you are interested: https://cf.bstatic.com/xdata/images/hotel/max1024x768/91932332.jpg?k=e689a23450e979921b4e081c6e8395f254aa57f024560df3bcf4bdae1e4f5fc9&o= https://cf.bstatic.com/xdata/images/hotel/max1024x768/919323...
- dboreham 10mo agoWell now I feel like a pretty smug 1%-er since I've never been in a hotel room with no bathroom door.
- paulmooreparks 10mo agoIt's not a function of price. One of the most expensive hotels in Southeast Asia has this problem. I've complained. They said they're fixing it in an upcoming design refresh.
- Klonoar 10mo agoThis is some new age Costanza shit. Joking aside, I find this far more in newer European hotels for whatever reason (though I'm sure it exists stateside and elsewhere too). My wife and I at this point just agree to tell each other when we're going to occupy it because we don't feel like it getting weird. Feels like - if the conspiracy-ish theory of it being used to dissuade people sharing rooms is true - they're inadvertently throwing out the couples dynamic. To borrow another Seinfeld bit: there's good naked and bad naked. The glass door problem invites the latter.
- gorbachev 10mo agoI wish I could upvote this multiple times.
- seanmcdirmid 10mo agoGlass box bathrooms are common in lower end Chinese hotels. So they don’t really have a door, and you are separated from the rest of the room by a glass pane. Weird, but not the worst I’ve experienced. The worst is when the shower straddles the squat toilet. I really prefer bathrooms with a separate door for the separate toilet from the rest of it. And the shower has to be a walk in, but bathtubs are really only common in North America outside of higher end resorts that have both a separate walk in shower and a bathtub.
- 51Cards 10mo agoPerhaps I say at all the wrong (right?) hotels but... I stay in close to two dozen North American hotels a year and I haven't noticed this trend? Many have pocket doors but I can't think of a hotel in recent memory that was missing it completely. I usually partially close them so it's not as cold getting out of a shower so I hope I would have taken note if it wasn't there.
- ghaff 10mo agoIt's been a while since I've stayed in one but separation in Yotels seemed to be pretty much missing. Can't think of other chains in particular.
- ajanthanmani 10mo agoNice Collection! Glass box are good for couples and all. But if you're traveling with group friends, it could be awkward.
- aga98mtl 10mo agoThe typical couple does not want a glass box.
- devmor 10mo agoAnecdotal, but this reminded me of when I attended a conference in las vegas, booked two to a room, and unbeknownst to us or the booking agency, the hotel had a large window between the shower and the sleeping area that had no kind of shade or cover at all. It was extremely awkward - ultimately I and the other occupant agreed on being out of the room when the other showered.
- decimalenough 10mo agoI once stayed at a very boutiquey, avant-garde hotel with a platonic friend. We had booked a twin room with separate beds, but what I did not expect was that the shower cubicle, with clear glass on all three sides, would be placed between the beds.
- PessimalDecimal 10mo agoNot the Platonic ideal of a hotel room
- tsimionescu 10mo agoNo, but I bet the shower was a decent approximation of a Platonic solid.
- HansardExpert 10mo agoI like to leave my platonic solids in the toilet bowl.
- trhway 10mo agoThe world makes full circle. A 4-toilet (2 facing the other 2 for lively conversation) bathroom per floor, no walls whatsoever between the toilets, "open layout" so to speak, in our dormitory in high school (regional school for advanced science studies) in USSR in 80-ies come to mind. Looks like we were living the boutiquey avant-garde way of the future :)
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- Ylpertnodi 10mo ago"Some artists are communists".
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- bwfan123 10mo agoOn the topic of hotel baths & showers, Dave Barry has this hilarious piece. Innovation in hotel shower controls has lead to UI/UX getting messed up. https://davebarry.substack.com/p/hotel-showers https://davebarry.substack.com/p/hotel-showers
- truelson 10mo agoDave Barry having a substack was such a bonus find here
- shirro 10mo agoThat would be weird and uncomfortable traveling with a kid. Is it geographic or is this madness taking over the world? Seems like something that would get a place destroyed in reviews and lose them business.
- noduerme 10mo agoPossibly even more important than a door is an extractor fan. Sometimes two people gotta do their business and get out in rapid succession.
- leo_e 10mo agoThis trend is the absolute bane of early-stage startups. When you are bootstrapping and flying a team to a conference, sharing twin rooms is standard procedure to stretch the runway. There is nothing that kills the vibe of a "strategic roadmap discussion" faster than realizing you have zero acoustic privacy from your co-founder using the toilet 3 feet away. It feels like hostile architecture specifically designed to break the "business frugality" use case. We ended up switching to Airbnbs solely because of this.
- sharts 10mo agojust book separate and cheaper motel rooms.
- aosmith 10mo agoThis is a huge theme (for lack of a better word) in Bangkok... I have seen countless condos with glass box bathrooms. My wife and I love each other deeply but we have 0 desire to make eye contact while pooping. Our daughter is another case but we both hope she will grow out of it.
- chickenegg 10mo agoMy first no-bathroom door hotel experience was 2017 in a hotel in Vientiane. We were so baffled we asked, and they proudly explained that this was a "European bathroom". It was literally set up so that you had full view of the room (and vice versa) when taking a shit.
- b3ing 10mo agoTake a dump in the lobby bathroom, and crap on the seat and clog the toilet with paper, maybe they will learn
- zoeysmithe 10mo agoThis is done, presumably, so people dont buddy up to save money on rooms. They'll be too shy or modest. So if its 4 people traveling, say 2 couples, they'll rent two rooms instead of one.
- mey 10mo agoThen why offer twin beds?
- raw_anon_1111 10mo agoI can not even imagine sharing a room with another couple under any circumstances
- ajsnigrutin 10mo agoThere are two possibilities: They find this out in advance and find a 'normal' hotel and book a room there. They find this out when they get to the hotel, complain to everyone, write bad reviews, never come back. Lose-lose for the hotel (unless it's some remote destination with just one hotel there, but those are rare)
- lazyeye 10mo agoNo doubt this same hotel is proud of their green credentials.
- lazyeye 10mo agoI wonder if the bathroom for the hotel staff is doorless too.
- sneak 10mo agoMore useful than this would be speed test results from the hotel wifi. The free wifi in my last hotel in Tokyo was 800Mbps symmetric. I’m ruined forever.
- rchandna 10mo agoThe people's champ
- brunoborges 10mo agoCan we have a website for these things too? - ceiling lights - shower curtains or glass box - 7 ft tall (minimum) shower head - firm mattress
- dkga 10mo agoWait, are hotels now taking bathroom doors away? It’s awful enough when they don’t let you lock the door.
- Ohkay 10mo agoI only know about this because of the scene in the White Lotus.
- OptionOfT 10mo agoWhich scene are you referring to?
- Gud 10mo agoI am a frequent traveller(literally have the star alliance card). Although I’ve never stayed in a hotel without bathroom doors, they frequently have sliding doors which don’t seal properly. So that’s the first thing I look out for nowadays.
- hoag 10mo agoForget the bathroom doors; can we at least bring back proper shower stall design that uses full-length doors instead of the 1/3-length piece of glass? More glaringly, those of you who know the Hilton MUC for instance, it's utterly mind blowing what they've done: the shower stall floor is on the same plane as the rest of the bathroom floor -- i.e., it's not sunken at all -- and it's not sloped or otherwise angled, either, to prevent water from seeping under the door and flood the whole floor. And this isn't like one-off bug in one room: we've stayed their countless times, in different rooms, and every single one suffers this problem.
- nurettin 10mo agoTo me that design screams it is a love hotel primarily used for one night stands and those beds you've slept on have been used for various such reasons. There isn't much dignity to be had after that.
- paulmooreparks 10mo agoOne of my favourite hotels in SE Asia has this problem. (I won't name and shame, since when we complained they said it's going to be fixed soon in a redesign.) On the topic, though... I want a desk that isn't made of glass so that I can use a mouse. Optical mice have been the standard for years, and of course I don't carry a mousepad. Who thinks glass desktops are good?
- d--b 10mo agoFor the rest of the world: it seems way more common in the US/americas to share rooms than it is elsewhere. Rooms with two queen-sized beds sitting next to each other are pretty standard, even in mid and high range hotels, while I’ve never seen those elsewhere. So yeah people share these rooms as it’s usually quite cheaper than getting two rooms. I did it with friends and my in laws.
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- crossroadsguy 10mo agoJust when you think you’ve seen all the corporate/business fuckery in this world. I already ask stuff like — is it a non-smoking room or not, do not use a strong room freshener when prepping the room (or better save money and skip freshener), etc. Now do I have to ask — whether your room has a bathroom door or not? Fucking hell! Hopefully, such fucked-up trends don’t reach this corner of the world at the speed and efficiency with which COVID did.
- nwellinghoff 10mo agoNot to mention these modern showers that have a slab of glass on the 1st 3rd but then open door for the rest such that water leaks all over the place. Looks great on insta but sucks at being a shower.
- Gigacore 10mo agoJust returned from Malaga in Spain. The EasyHotel we stayed in had frosted glass cubicle for the toilet and shower. But there were huge gaps in between. Haha!
- tjwebbnorfolk 10mo agoA way to force people to buy separate rooms?
- apexalpha 10mo ago>’m done. I’m done arriving at hotels and discovering that they have removed the bathroom door. Something that should be as standard as having a bed, has been sacrificed in the name of “aesthetic”. In what country or region are we here? I've never seen a bathroom without a door in a hotel. Or anywhere, really, for that matter.
- SomeUserName432 10mo agoI actually analyze the photos of the hotelrooms looking for the bathroom door before I book a hotel room these days. Has become this new weird step to take during bookings.
- kqr 10mo agoI agree bathroom doors are sensible when traveling with company. When staying alone, though, I prefer no doors. If there is a door, I tend to use a small piece of gaffers' tape to hold it open. I don't spend a lot of time in the hotel room, so while I'm in there I want my movement unimpeded. The worst I've experienced was a sliding barn door which covered either the bathroom or the clothes rack. If I wanted my clothes to breathe, I had to shut the bathroom with a door that only impedes movement and does not provide privacy. If I wanted to move around freely, I had to shut my clothes in!
- globular-toast 10mo agoMy personal "travel hack" for a while now is to poo in communal facilities that hardly ever seem to be in use in any hotel I've stayed in. I don't understand why anyone wants to poo a metre from their bed, regardless of a door. As for showering, I don't really care to be honest. I'm cleaning my naked body. It's not some super secret affair that nobody is allowed to see. Having said that I've yet to encounter a hotel where the toilet/shower isn't private. What I really care about when travelling is being able to sleep which means the correct noise level and temperature. Far too many hotel rooms are simply too warm. Who the hell can sleep at 23 degrees with gigantic fluffy duvets designed for Nordic countries and no fan/airflow? I've thought about making a similar site for this issue before but, ultimately, I don't travel anywhere near enough for it to be worth it. These days I just assume travelling will be shit sleep, and if it isn't then it's a bonus.
- orloffm 10mo agoI've recently stayed at a new Holiday Inn Express near NYC. It had a proper bathroom, nothing to complain about. But there was no ventilation at all. There was this American-style air conditioner under the window and some small outlet in the bathroom, but I couldn't force the air conditioner to force-intake air. It's either super-noisy with compressor running or completely off. I absolutely don't understand how it is even possible that room has no ventilation.
- Findecanor 10mo agoIn my view, a hotel's primary function is to provide a comfortable bathroom and a comfortable night's sleep. Both should be simple. If is has failed in either, it has failed as a hotel altogether. I now need extra wide space in the bathroom, so before booking I always check images on hotel-booking web sites, read reviews and look up video reviews of the hotel on YouTube. There are surprisingly many video reviews of hotel rooms out there. Videos can also sometimes reveal whether a hotel bathroom has a particularly noisy fan, which is important to avoid for sleep. The weirdest hotel bathroom I've encountered was in a top-floor suite. It had a door, but... multiple toilet seats and showers with no individual doors in-between them, nor to the multiple washbasins. There was no shortage of space for doors or partitions.
- yakshaving_jgt 10mo agoOnly slightly relevant, but at the Porsche dealership in Odesa, Ukraine, their bathroom has two toilets together in the one open space, with a chessboard on a plinth between them. The Ukrainians are very funny. I can share a photo if anyone's interested.
- throw310822 10mo agoSimple action for those who are unhappy with this situation (and a suggestion for this website creator/ owner): hotels appear to be linked to their booking.com listing. Take a few minutes to select some hotels from the list (possibly at random), then go to their Booking.com page, search for reviews mentioning the lack of a bathroom door, and mark them as helpful. The website could agevolate this process by providing a list of direct link to booking.com pages of the offending hotels.
- roncesvalles 10mo agoIf there's no door between the toilet bowl and the bed, the bed is in the bathroom.
- tasuki 10mo agoIf someone cares about this so much to make a website, why not include an explanation? There's mention of dignity. I don't feel my dignity lessened when my bathroom has no door. Perhaps the door is useful to keep the heat and the steam inside the bathroom?
- jp57 10mo agoIf you only stay in hotels alone, it probables doesn’t matter that much to you. Quite apart from questions of dignity, when sharing a hotel room, there are practical conveniences: it’s nice to keep odors contained, and to be able to turn on the bathroom light at night without waking anyone up.
- nirava 10mo agoWhat is there to explain? Bathroom needs to be isolated. Do they also have to explain why there are walls around your bathroom and it's not just a commode next to a bed?
- saagarjha 10mo agoThis reminds me of the last time I was in Vegas for DEF CON and we booked rooms in this dimly-lit hotel that had surprisingly bright bathrooms with a floor-to-ceiling mirror in the shower. A similar mirror hung outside in the room on the wall opposite. Yes, it was a one-way mirror looking in. A number of people who had booked rooms together had an exercise kicking their roommate out of the room to take showers that week.
- _giorgio_ 10mo agoBad, bad architects. They have a reason for this choice. I remember studying it at university—the professor said that when people have intimacy, there's no need for doors. But what if you have a guest? And what if your poop stinks? Incredibly low-IQ people.
- jillesvangurp 10mo agoI've never seen this. But I'm kind of the opposite. When it comes to hotel rooms, I prefer function over form. A lot of hotels cover up their lack of quality with a lot of crap that serves no purpose whatsoever. Generic art reproductions on the wall. A lot of shiny chrome or bronze. A fancy looking shower that produces a luke warm mediocre flow of water that than splatters all over the bath room, etc. Or, worse, a dingy looking bath that you have to awkwardly step into and a shower head that will point anywhere except at you unless you hold it. I've seen it all. US hotels tend to be the worst on this front. It's all form over function and the amount of nonsense goes up with the number of stars. What I want is: - clean, comfortable bed. Preferably without pubic hairs from the previous occupant (which is what happens if the hotel cuts corners on servicing the rooms). - a simple but functional shower with hot water - enough toilet paper. I don't care about anyone folding the first sheet over. Who does that at home? Absolutely no-one I know. - Power plugs next to the bed so I can charge my phone and use it while I'm on it. - A window that can open and an AC with an off button. - Wifi that works just like at home and doesn't kick me out every morning because some cookie expired. - Bonus points if I don't get to listen in on the TV next door. What I've found in some expensive premium hotels is the exact opposite of all of the above. Stuffy warm rooms. Barely functional plumbing. Windows that cannot open "for my safety", ACs that are producing noise and bad air 24x7 that are turned off at night to save energy. But the light fixtures are beautiful. And there are 20x more pillows and blankets on the bed than I need. Some of the best hotels I've had were very affordable budget affairs aimed at return customers that are like me. Basically good management and pragmatic decoration is all you need to turn a mediocre room into a very comfortable one.
- KineticLensman 10mo agoMy pet peeve is noisy fridges that clatter and whirr at night, and whose plug is inaccessible behind fixed furniture.
- rsynnott 10mo ago> a simple but functional shower with hot water Sorry, no, not allowed. Hotel showers always have _something_ wrong with them; it's a law of nature. Potential problems: - No thermostatic valve (particularly common in the US and Spain, neither of which seems to believe that thermostatic valves exist at all) - Leaks and/or insufficient drainage - Overly complex control scheme - Fixed showerhead, with no handheld shower at all (mostly a US thing) - Arbitrarily loses pressure. - Impossible to turn on without getting drenched in cold water I don't _really_ care about the bathroom door thing that the website is so excited about, but I am constantly irritated by hotel showers.
- sillyboi 10mo agoIt would be a good idea to put some eye-catching example of a hotel room in the article headline, like an image of a shower without a door, just for visual impact. As for me, I’ve come across hotels where the shower is visible from the bedroom, separated only by a glass wall. Lol, that’s probably the next level.
- another_twist 10mo agoThe one I stayed at in France had this shit. Annoyed me to no end and plus I got sick on the trip.
- brador 10mo agoActual reason - users would lock the door before suicdice or during mental health events. Or even just refuse to leave. No door, one less thing to worry about.
- wahnfrieden 10mo agoAny hotel room without a bathroom door has been repeatedly blasted with fecal air covering all surfaces some order of magnitude more than rooms with a door
- notfirstpost 10mo agoAnd hooks… Too many hotel rooms without enough hooks to hang things like worn clothes, jackets…
- crazygringo 10mo agoIsn't that what all the hangers are for? Hangers are generally a lot better for your clothes and jackets than hooks.
- havblue 10mo agoIt seems like the target hotel customer for fancy hotels is an Instagram model or a Kardashian. I get having a sliding door to the bathroom or translucent walls on the shower is annoying but the status symbols in hotels are not designed for your average hacker News poster. They're trying to make a small room in an older building look like a bigger room to justify the price.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 10mo agoI think it would be more effective if the site was analyzing existing reviews - and encouraging people to leave scathing reviews where a hotel decides that bathroom doors are optional. A standalone web site isn't going to make it into the hotel's metrics, "the most driver of sub-9/10 ratings is the lack of bathroom doors" will make them find a way to reinstall them pronto.
- mvdwoord 10mo agoI get the point, but myself have no intention of ever sharing a hotel room with anyone I am not comfortable to concurrently use a bathroom with, i.e. my gf/wife. I would much rather see an initiative to show me if a hotel shower has a proper way to keep the water in, so I do not have to use three towels to provide some sort of spot where I can properly dry off whilst not standing ankle deep in water. Never understood why this is the case in so many hotels, it does nt seem to aid cleaning staff either. That, and a proper filter for on premises parking (not the "public parking is plentiful around the hotel" in the fine print bs), and for wifi, show me the speedtest results please.
- aenis 10mo agoI have long standardised the way I do hotel reviews: - bullshit wifi connectivity (e.g. captive wifi + OTP)? - normal wifi but with very long password? - is there a place to put toiletries in the shower? - clean? - time to check in and check out? Where I travel the hotels without bathroom doors have not proliferated yet. I've been in a few, even when I am alone I hate the experience.
- __natty__ 10mo agoRecently I stayed in the Korean hotel where the toilet and the bathroom had the door but made out of semi transparent glass. And the worst, the toilet was next to the glass and walls while on the opposite side was bed. Perfect view and the smell my friend
- donatj 10mo agoWe went on a driving trip a couple months ago. Every single hotel we stayed in had those stupid barn door style doors on the bathroom. Not only do they leave a multiple inch gap, but are very easily opened by my curious one and two year old children. There was zero privacy the entire trip. Bring back real doors, with locks!
- mr3martinis 10mo agoAt least in the US, the design choice of barn door or no door might also be driven by ADA compliance. You have to provide a lot of space to meet all the accessibility requirements and a hinged door can make the minimum square footage much higher than you’d think.
- LorenPechtel 10mo agoI think that's the real answer. ADA-compliant doors will not fit in many smaller hotel rooms.
- paulpauper 10mo agoDoorless bathrooms, open office plans. As it turns out , people like privacy
- nunez 10mo agoI usually stay 50+ nights/year at hotels all across the value spectrum and haven't thought about this until now! Proper bathroom doors _are_ hard to come by. "There has to be a safety/design reason for this," I thought. And, sure enough, there is: https://old.reddit.com/r/hotels/comments/1gmearh/hotel_designers_please_stop_with_the_sliding/lw3va5y/?context=3#lw3va5y https://old.reddit.com/r/hotels/comments/1gmearh/hotel_desig... TL;DR: Sliding doors are an easier way to keep hotel rooms up to code long-term than doors that need to be refitted/redesigned if the room changes. To me, what's more annoying than sliding bathroom doors (which honestly haven't bothered me that much, though I usually travel alone) are: 1) Sliding shower doors that are ill-fitted and don't close properly, and 2) Bathrooms without proper ventilation (though I learned why vent fans are uncommon in hotels in the US: https://old.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/18z9sd0/why_dont_hotel_bathrooms_have_fans/kgh59ch/?context=3#kgh59ch https://old.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/comments/18z9sd0...)
- golemotron 10mo agoIt's nice to see a passion project.
- zzo38computer 10mo agoI had not been at hotels with bathroom without a door, but I would want them to have a door like the people who wrote the article allegedly do. What I could do without is a TV set and many other things, but I would want to have a door, and a desk, and fresh air.
- krick 10mo ago"Sliding doors"? What's this guy's problem with sliding doors? This is the best type of door there is, all bathrooms ever should have sliding doors!
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- nkzednan 10mo agoI was recently in Barcelona Spain in a hotel room with one queen bed. The bathroom was on one side of the entryway and on the other side was the shower with a clear glass door