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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

• cadamsdotcom 11mo ago
  > it's hard to believe we're going to see a version of Windows that isn't bloated with AI functionality most people didn't ask for. All the leadership need to do is read these types of articles and they’ll see what’s going on outside the walls. One wonders how the internal incentives can be so wrong.
  • pessimizer 11mo ago
    Because they're right. They'll all collude to make sure that you can't install a non-"smart" OS, just like you can't buy an non-"smart" tv, and the public will be well-trained to mumble something about the "market" and call you names ("luddite," "techie," "boomer," whatever...) when you complain about it. Once a generation has been raised who never saw a computer that couldn't refuse to let you type what you wanted into it, young people will stop believing that you could ever type what you wanted. Old people will forget that you could ever type what you wanted. It worked with literally everything else.
    • arlcode 11mo ago
      Yeah it worked everytime so despite complaints so they have all the reason to believe it will work this time either. The future is never certain and, as always, there will be unexpected and rapid societal shifts that may change things rapidly, but those may well be 300 years out.
  • Narishma 11mo ago
    Reminds me of the Xbox One reveal disaster.
    • abdusco 11mo ago
      I had to remind myself what that was about > The Xbox One reveal disaster in 2013 stemmed from controversial policies that were widely rejected by consumers, primarily the mandatory 24-hour online check-in (effectively an "always-online" requirement) and severe restrictions on used games. Compounded by a primary focus on TV and media features over gaming, and a higher price tag of $499 with a mandatory Kinect, the policies caused a massive public backlash. This allowed the PlayStation 4 to successfully position itself as the consumer-friendly gaming option, ultimately forcing Microsoft to reverse all the controversial DRM policies before the console's launch.
  • Macha 11mo ago
    The investors want AI because they believe it will replace all intellectual work, and so the company with the best AI will get all the money from several other sectors. The execs want AI to show to the investors to improve their job security and compensation packages. The middle managers want AI to show execs to improve their promotion causes. The customers only get to talk to the day to day employees of the company, so their opinion doesn’t matter to the rest of the hierarchy
• torben-friis 11mo ago
  I don’t know much about him, but I’m immediately put off by his post with obvious grammar errors. And I’m not even a native speaker!
  • thewebguyd 11mo ago
    Seems like he should've used Copilot, is own freaking product, to make the post for him.
    • sys_64738 11mo ago
      or gemini.
  • cinntaile 11mo ago
    He grew up in Britain so he's most likely a native speaker. It's a Twitter post, not an English essay that's about to be graded.
    • torben-friis 11mo ago
      He's also a CEO addressing a vital issue for the company. Do you really think “dudee so many haters!!” is a response befitting the position?
  • somat 11mo ago
    On the topic of grammar errors. I have seriously considered leaving several grammar and spelling errors in my posts in order to provide a signal that this post was written by a human. And then I get several sorts of depressed at what this implies for our future.
    • gishh 11mo ago
      I came across an article the other day, I wish I saved it, that had sentences which said things like “insert short sentence here” and “spacer sentence here” As a published article.
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• ihsw 11mo ago
  They spent billions of dollars on compute costs and they need to pump the PKIs to justify it. That is the only explanation. It is the same reason every app (be they web or mobile) gets a redesign every year.
  • thewebguyd 11mo ago
    That's gotta be it. At Ignite yesterday they announced that Security Copilot will now be included for free with E5 licensing. The tool that until yesterday way $50k for a single tenant deployment. Aka, no one bought it, but they need to juice the KPIs so might as well make it free so it looks like someone is actually using it.
• hifix 11mo ago
  > The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on.
  • thewebguyd 11mo ago
    Exactly. It's not that everyone is saying "AI is completely worthless, get rid of it." It has it's use cases, I certainly benefit from LLMs in my job every day. That doesn't mean I want it plastered everywhere, in every app or website. That doesn't mean I want to interact with or use my computer via AI, and I especially don't want to talk to my computer to do things. Mouse & keyboard is faster. But for now at least you can just choose not to use it. The problem is, Microsoft is putting 100% of their efforts into this while long-standing Windows bugs and regressions still exist. They're aware they exist too, and are deliberately choosing not to improve their product.
  • atomicnumber3 11mo ago
    "we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AIwe can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI" But we can't. I can have something styled as a conversation with a token predictor that emits text that, if interpreted as a conversation, will gaslight you constantly, while at best sometimes being accidentally correct (but still requiring double-checking with an actual source). Yes, I am uninterested in having the gaslighting machine installed into every single UI I see in my life.
    • throwuxiytayq 11mo ago
      You seem severely confused about how low the probability of being “accidentally correct” is for almost any real life task that you can imagine.
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• CamperBob2 11mo ago
  "It must be the customers who are wrong," said no successful businessperson ever.
  • SailorJerry 11mo ago
    This made me think of Henry Ford's quote about people wanting a faster horse. Granted, he was an extreme outlier, which is why he's worth quoting
    • dogleash 11mo ago
      I hate that quote. Whenever I see it brought up, it makes me wonder what people think it's supposed to represent. The hypothetical person asks for faster horses because they know they'll be dismissed if they ask for something they think is even more impossible than faster horses. Imagine the ghost of Henry Ford asked me what I wanted from transportation today and I said "a new novel technology to enable sub-second transcontinental travel". I'd be laughed at even harder than in an alternate reality where I asked for marginally more convenient air travel, without knowing Henry Ford actually did resurrect himself and invent the Stargate last tuesday.
      • mjevans 11mo ago
        Wasn't there something about the wormhole that required it connect two relatively large gravitational bodies rather than a single one? I also remember 'harmonics' related to having more than one Stargate on a planet, even if the other was unusable. For sub light second I think Scifi tends to like something along the line of isolating a region of space in an energy field and then either shifting or transposing that area with another. At least for the not 3D body printer death machine version of teleportation. Though maybe that was a very poorly phrased description of imposing a probability shift via precisely regulated change of energy state for a reference frame to match the state of another region.
    • CamperBob2 11mo ago
      But when people told him his cars sucked and they wanted their horses back, he didn- Wait, no, that never happened. People bought his cars voluntarily and came back for more. If Ford had stolen horses out of peoples' barns and left cars in their places, then said, "You just don't like change!" when they objected, that would be more like modern-day Windows.
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• PebblesHD 11mo ago
  He seems to be intentionally missing the point of most of the complaints in order to direct away from his core area. The many legitimate criticisms of windows poor user experience lately will eventually drive change, but long will that take? Not to mention, I can find AI perfectly impressive and still have absolutely no day-to-day use for it… certainly not enough to justify it taking over my operating system experience.
  • thewebguyd 11mo ago
    Heck, I Do have day-to-day use for it, and I still don't want it to completely take over how I use and interact with my OS. Nor do I ever want to have a voice conversation with my computer to where it responds in an uncanny valley voice. If I do want to use voice, it's to give a command. No response needed. "Hey computer, call John" that's it. Do the thing, don't talk back. A glorified voice assistant is all the further it needs to go.
• Weryj 11mo ago
  AI failed at Microsoft because they already lost the consumer trust. I doubt they would have this issue with AI integration if people didn’t feel that installing windows is a hostile corporate takeover of your computer.
  • slowmovintarget 11mo ago
    > AI failed at Microsoft... Let's be fair. Microsoft has not succeeded at mainstream consumer AI products... yet. To say AI failed at Micrsoft when CoPilot (the real one, for developers) was, last I heard, the most subscribed generative AI tool for software developers is not a failure. It's wild that most developers in a corporate environment pay Microsoft to use Chat GPT, Gemini, and Claude. Their other gen-AI components in Office, like Powerpoint and Word, are pretty darn good. But again, unless you're a corporate user in a work setting, you probably don't care. This push to lease you your own computer is what hasn't worked very well so far. I dearly hope it pushes more people to Linux (though more likely they'll flee to Mac, which is a more palatable version of the clumsy crap MS is trying to do). So consumer AI... perhaps that has failed. But the money isn't in you and me paying for a Windows license. The money's in big corporations paying for ten thousand seats at a time for their suites.
    • ewoodrich 11mo ago
      > It's wild that most developers in a corporate environment pay Microsoft to use Chat GPT, Gemini, and Claude It definitely didn't help back when my manager asked me to recommend a subscription to buy everyone on our team that Anthropic didn't offer any plan with a predictable monthly cost for Claude Code with SSO/externally managed billing (I think that changed fairly recently). Github Copilot for Business with an easily digestible flat monthly rate + straightforward per request rate beyond the quota (for devs who actually ended up using it heavily) made it extremely painless to get approved. Cursor was really the only other subscription offering that checked all those boxes but our team uses the official Microsoft VS Code extensions and there was 0% chance of getting buy-in if it meant disrupting everyone's workflow for a 6 month trial period.
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• lousken 11mo ago
  Smart AI? You mean probability based token generator?
• devin 11mo ago
  At this particular moment in time, the old quote about "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" feels relevant on a couple of levels. I keep waiting for the bubble to burst and for these executives to be forced into finally confronting the realities of this technology, but it is taking a very long time indeed.
  • arlcode 11mo ago
    Not all bubbles burst, some deflate quite silently especially if people expect them to burst. Microsoft didn't care to ask users when they put copilot into everything and they won't ask users when they'll "consolidate the experience" to whatever works. And just so I can claim that I "knew it all along" in the future I'll say that some form of "agent OS" is here to stay when the dust settles.
• AdmiralAsshat 11mo ago
  Microsoft AI CEO thinks AI is cool. Film at eleven.
  • franktankbank 11mo ago
    If Elon musk bent over and sucked shit from his own ass and Tesla stock went up, every CEO would start stretching.
• djent 11mo ago
  People think Windows sucks. People think AI sucks. Combine the two, ??? Still sucks
  • tartoran 11mo ago
    Windows sucks + AI -> Windows 11 is an unusable mess.
• ForHackernews 11mo ago
  "Why aren't you impressed we installed a real live trained dancing grizzly bear in your bathroom!? Yes, I know nobody asked for that bear. Yes, I know the toilet still doesn't flush. Yes, I know the bear sometimes eats people trying to take a shower. Don't you understand?! I grew up using an OUTHOUSE! Have you seen the bear's colorful hat? That bear literally dances the macarena, you ingrates!"
• kotaKat 11mo ago
  Oh, I’m a “cynic” because I’m upset at Microsoft continuing to violate my consent over and over again, huh. Wonder if he calls any of his rejected dates a “cynic” because they said no to him, too.
  • estimator7292 11mo ago
    I'd bet good money that he thinks all his exes are "crazy"
• wewewedxfgdf 11mo ago
  Microsoft management may be succeeding with building the cloud business, but they've wrecked Windows.
  • pjmlp 11mo ago
    This is one thing that I miss from Balmer days.
• cmiles8 11mo ago
  Windows has just become too bloated trying to do to many things. I like CoPilot, but all the “Clippy” style integrations of crap in Windows directly is just poor design. Microsoft also doesn’t have user trust in the way Apple does, so everyone just assumes MSFT is going bad things with the data.
  • thewebguyd 11mo ago
    > Microsoft also doesn’t have user trust in the way Apple does, so everyone just assumes MSFT is going bad things with the data. I think this is a big part of it. If Apple ever achieves their vision for personal context Siri & AI in their OS, I bet people will praise it and actually use it. Because Apple has built trust with their customers, and has strong marketing around privacy. Microsoft burned that bridge a long time ago. They feel sleazy. Maybe if they haven't violated their users trust over and over again, people would be more receptive.
  • estimator7292 11mo ago
    It's not even a question of trust or loyalty. Microsoft has explicitly told us they're doing bad things with the data. I don't think Microsoft as a corporation is any longer even aware of customer trust as a concept. All we are is a KPI and a credit card to be exploited for anything they feel they can take. We aren't even people to Microsoft anymore. Just a revenue source to be maximally exploited right now with no concern for future revenue.
• pjmlp 11mo ago
  It is going to be the next Windows Me, Vista, Windows 8, and while I usually do pro-Windows comments, I also don't want an agentic OS Microsoft style.
  • frmersdog 11mo ago
    I'll take Charms, mouse gestures, and the Start Screen over Copilot any day.
    • moron4hire 11mo ago
      At least those things felt like a sincere attempt to move HCI forward. Perhaps not very well tested to understand how all the parts work together, but at least sincere. MS' Copilot brand is a broken solution in search of a problem. It's almost like the kind of trap a lot of solo devs get into where they build a thing that is interesting to them but then can't find anyone else interested. But at least the solo devs built something that worked for themselves. I can't imagine anyone at MS eating their own dog food on this stuff. At a company like MS, that shouldn't happen. They're supposed to have the resources to understand what their customers want. But we've seen this trend for the last 15 years. Companies like MS, Meta, Google, don't want to engage and collaborate with the customer. They want to push ideas down and be celebrated for their design brilliance. They don't even really A/B test this stuff anymore. The inmates are running the asylum.
      • int_19h 11mo ago
        It wasn't even ten years ago when I was participating in user studies as a developer at MS. And it was the real deal: we had a bunch of people, specifically selected to give a diverse cross-cut of the user base (so varying backgrounds, experience level etc), sit down and try to do some simple tasks with our product, while devs and PMs watched over a camera. And, crucially, you couldn't ask questions or provide guidance during that time - only after they were done. That was incredibly informative, much more so than any telemetry I've seen before or after, and I wish that was the norm in all companies; but, in any case, Microsoft definitely had both the resources and the inclination to do that. The problem is that no amount of studies or A/B testing is going to change a political decision inside the company. And with AI, I'm convinced that for all the big players it is political at this point simply because all the execs have bet so much money on it. If they can't make it work, we're talking about literally billions of dollars of responsibility. Hence these desperate attempts to shove it everywhere in hopes that something somewhere would work well enough, if not to recoup the investment, then at least to postpone the moment it all comes crashing down.
• xyst 11mo ago
  Yet another salesman clown at the head of a multibillion dollar corporation. MSFT reminds me of INTC.
• hereme888 11mo ago
  Where does this guy get his information from? There's nothing underwhelming about AI. It's how Microsoft damages anything it touches, and lies to users about it. They force a stupid "copilot" key into computers and encourage the waste of resources into "chips with AI capabilities", only to push your data to the cloud, deceitfully, and with very poor safety guarantees. Also, people have a Windows backlash in general, and Microsoft ignores it, as usual.
• themafia 11mo ago
  > Jeez there so many cynics! Jeez there are so many clueless CEOs! > It cracks me up when I hear people call AI underwhelming. This is your business. It should "make you curious." Saying it "cracks you up" is ridiculous behavior from someone in your position. I will never do business with someone like this. > I grew up playing Snake on a Nokia phone! Because you were bored? Or because you literally set time aside every day to play it because it was just that good? What is this nonsense? > The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation I have "fluent conversations" already. With people. About recent and relevant things. The fact that a computer can pretend to do this is not impressive. Press on it hard enough and you'll immediately see the cracks. We've had weak chat bots since forever. > with a super smart AI That's trained on existing data. It cannot synthesize new perspectives or prerogatives. It often fails to know anything that recently occurred. It often presents data as if it is absolutely true and that it could not possibly be wrong. It's the opposite of smart in every way. > that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It can make copies. It cannot generate anything novel. There was no part of my life that was hampered by the fact I couldn't generate images or videos. This is an amusement, not anything that adds to my bottom line.
  • FridgeSeal 11mo ago
    If it weren’t so tiring having to wade through all the ai slop they add to products I’m forced to use, the fact that leadership in the field are getting petty and childish about how not everyone thinks their toy is shiny is a real “telling on themselves” moment. If it actually, truly, world-changingly good as they are _begging us_ to believe they are, they wouldn’t need to care that people disliked it or chose not to use it. But because they’re practically going red in the face screeching about it, it really comes off as “cope”, to use the hip new word.
• taco_emoji 11mo ago
  Look, GPT-3 was pretty magical. DALL-E was amazing. Everything since then has not really pushed too far passed that "impressive tech demo" state. I like using AI to help me with coding. That's... about it.
  • kulahan 11mo ago
    it's pretty good at highly specific questions about software support, from my experience. I'll say what program I'm using, what I'm trying to do, and what errors I keep hitting. "Click this, then that, then this other thing and it should work" "that other thing isn't an option" "Oh you're 3 versions behind. Instead, it's in location X."
• ckozlowski 11mo ago
  This Microsoft response reminds me of the 2018 Blizzcon event, where the Diablo Immortal developer challenged the audience with "Do you guys not have phones?" when the audience asked if the game was coming to PC. Then - like now - it seemed that they couldn't understand that what they made was not what their customers wanted.
  • crote 11mo ago
    Don't forget the audience member who literally asked if it was a joke - and got cheers and applause from the rest of the audience. It was probably one of the biggest PR disasters in gaming history - and it does seem like the AI CEOs have been taking quite a bit of inspiration from it.
    • xeonmc 11mo ago
      I think the intent is to provide a sense of pride and accomplishment when rivaling the same monetary dedication on the mobile platform comparable to the PC counterpart. You think you want bread, but you don’t: we are making subscription-based cake available which is better in every way.
      • cheschire 11mo ago
        Brawndo has what plants crave!
      • boobsbr 11mo ago
        The EA-speak is strong with this one.
    • tokioyoyo 11mo ago
      I just got curious, and googled around how much Diablo Immortal made - "Diablo Immortal has achieved over $500 million in revenue in its first year". To put it bluntly, nobody cares about this PR disaster internally, because at the end, they made a lot of money and proved them wrong.
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• uberman 11mo ago
  This is Microsoft's "Do you guys not have phones?" moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqjVdPtB9lU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqjVdPtB9lU
  • surgical_fire 11mo ago
    Considering Diablo Immortal generated a ton of money, I hope you are wrong. I believe users are stupid enough to stick to Microsoft "agentic OS" anyway.
    • FridgeSeal 11mo ago
      My biggest issue with “users choosing to stick with it” is the inordinate number of users in corporate environments who simply won’t be given a choice. They’ll be given some garbage W11 laptop by IT, which will be irrevocably infested with whatever garbage MS wants, and there will be _nothing_ they can do about it. I can see it happening in real time with my partners work computer.
      • 3eb7988a1663 11mo ago
        Garbage software loaded on a corporate laptop is nothing new. That it comes directly from Microsoft instead of a third party security company does not meaningfully move the needle. I have long assumed that a work machine has literal keyloggers.
• haolez 11mo ago
  The endgame is obvious: make people train agents and models that will replace them. Executives at MS must think this is subtle and a genius move, but it is obvious and low effort. They don't see that making crappy products in the short term will strengthen their competition, even from small contenders, which might disrupt their core. I doubt MS will out execute others in this race. Let's wait and see :)
• jeffwask 11mo ago
  A real "Don't you people have phones?" moment.
• throwacct 11mo ago
  I'm glad I switched to MacOS 3 years ago.
• computerthings 11mo ago
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• nipperkinfeet 11mo ago
  I'll be impressed when they manage to fix Windows 11! There are still many regressions compared to Windows XP through 10. They can add all this AI nonsense to the taskbar, yet they can't reinstate the features people have been asking for.
  • thewebguyd 11mo ago
    Meanwhile we get a react native web app for a start menu, and you can't even move the taskbar's location on the screen. A feature that has existed in Windows since 95. Something is seriously dysfunctional in Microsoft.
  • vjvjvjvjghv 11mo ago
    Unfortunately Apple seems to be gong the same way. On Mac and iPhone I am seeing more things that don’t work well.
• muststopmyths 11mo ago
  This genius probably doesn't use Windows as his daily driver so of course he's not bothered by it.
• 650 11mo ago
  Mustafa Suleyman (Microsoft AI CEO) is a grifter. He dropped out at 19 and later ran "product" for Deepmind, riding the coattails of Demis Hassabis. He's known for: - bullying employees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Suleyman#cite_note-14:~:text=In%20August%202019,%5B26%5D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Suleyman#cite_note-14:... - reorgs, pointless meetings, toxic culture (example: extra office day for his org): sources who work at Microsoft - https://x.com/pmddomingos/status/1972584701736157664 https://x.com/pmddomingos/status/1972584701736157664 - He's a corporate climber, good at empire building, which is why Google let him go. Hires product people from his ex companies and you are left with 3 engineers and 5 product managers for a feature and don't ship anything useful.
  • FridgeSeal 11mo ago
    I mean, if they want to put a grifter and a con artist in charge of their division and torpedo themselves, I say let them go for it! Something, something, never interrupt your opponent whilst they’re making a mistake.
  • willis936 11mo ago
    Seems like a perfect match for a product that is a computer that lies.
• falcor84 11mo ago
  > But with Microsoft literally becoming an AI company in the last year ... "literally"?! What does that mean? That they offloaded all decision-making to AI?
• zb3 11mo ago
  With this attitude I'm worried about GitHub and VSCode..
  • kayart_dev 11mo ago
    Microsoft has been pushing AI features into both VS Code and GitHub for quite some time
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• thedelanyo 11mo ago
  Ai basically kills human creativity.
  • vjvjvjvjghv 11mo ago
    For me it’s the opposite. AI has enabled me to write songs and create pictures. I can’t draw but AI helped me to implement ideas I had.
    • typon 11mo ago
      have you considered not all ideas are good and maybe they shouldn't see the light of day?
    • ares623 11mo ago
      AI is paying for talent, like soliciting a prostitute for sex. You get the same "thing", but in the end it's just a transaction.
      • vjvjvjvjghv 11mo ago
        In what way is this different from paying a designer or writer?
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  • netsharc 11mo ago
    Cognitive offloading: https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/15/1/6 https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4698/15/1/6 Just like using calculator or Excel, I think overuse will really dull our minds, we'd end up preferring not waste our mind thinking about a problem but just throw it at the "simulated intelligence". I wonder where that'll take us.
• chadcmulligan 11mo ago
  A quote I saw today: "Maybe AI seems like a creative solution, if you aren't a creative person.", seems to explain a lot of this maybe. Edit: Found the source: https://www.eurogamer.net/maybe-ai-is-a-creative-solution-if-you-arent-a-creative-person-dispatch-devs-take-a-firm-refreshing-stance-against-ai https://www.eurogamer.net/maybe-ai-is-a-creative-solution-if...
  • bsnnkv 11mo ago
    I'd love to read more wherever this came from if you could link the source
  • mikeocool 11mo ago
    That’s a great quote —- when you hire a “creative” to do a job (ie photographer, designer, etc) in area where you aren’t an expert, the conversation of what you want usually starts with similar existing work that you like. A good creative will take that as a starting point, apply their skills and vision to it, and give you something that solves your specific problem in a unique way, often far better than whatever you had imagined. In my experience, if you do a similar expertise with AI, it just gives you a facsimile of the inspiration you initially provided and not much more.
    • BoorishBears 11mo ago
      > it just gives you a facsimile of the inspiration you initially provided and not much more. This is not at all my experience but I'm also biased currently making a fair enough living off providing software that does just that, using AI. In favt I'd say that's the key to enjoyable AI experiences, without strong opinions from the person leveraging, the output is rather bland and corporate.
• faidit 11mo ago
  Strawmanning, trying to distort the narrative and gaslight us by attacking a made-up perspective instead of the real arguments/feelings of the opposition. We aren't so much unimpressed, we're wary of our MOST PRIVATE data being stolen, then sold to the highest bidder or further stolen by hackers yet again. We have a bad taste in our mouth from ONEDRIVE. BEING. LITERALLY. IMPOSSIBLE. TO. TURN. OFF. (Unless you switch to Linux which is I guess the only choice now.) And the fact that they have shown they don't care about consumer preferences and will always continue to push their juggernaut of bad decisions on us out of monopolistic hubris. I thought this guy was smart but I guess he's just another AI-assist tool.
• neuroelectron 11mo ago
  Windows 11 is great once your strip out everything like their app store and Copilot and create an offline account (Windows Pro required).
• gwbas1c 11mo ago
  Copilot in Visual Studio is so hit or miss that frequently it's not worth using. Today I asked it to add a constant as an argument to every call to a specific method in a unit test. The result was pure slop: The prompts leaked out into the proposed diff, and there was just a list of every method call, not placed where the method calls were in the unit test. Just get the darn stuff to work before you shove it into every corner of my life.
• dev1ycan 11mo ago
  The ONLY thing keeping people in WIndows anymore, is propietary software, that is how TERRIBLE Microsoft has become.
• perryizgr8 11mo ago
  Microsoft is a multi-trillion dollar company. Is it too much to ask for them to develop and maintain two separate Windows flavors with different focus? 1. Windows 11 - keep doing what they are doing, add AI, ads, all sorts of guardrails, whatever the 80% of users need 2. Windows 11 Enthusiast - Bring back Win 2000 theme, no guardrails, best-in-class dev experience, hyper-optimised for gaming, no AI, no ads I would pay significantly more for the special version that I did for my Win 11 pro copy.
• sockedthn 11mo ago
  What did I just read? Microsoft has employed this person? They are paying him a salary?
• aleph_minus_one 11mo ago
  But why integrate AI so deeply into Windows instead of 1. keeping Windows as small and lean as possible, and let it do the things an operating system is for, 2. offering some AI applications that can be installed optionally by the users who want them, i.e. turn their AI applications into external software that can be installed/used or not, like Microsoft Office.
  • nik282000 11mo ago
    Windows is not a general purpose operating system. It's a platform for monetizing businesses via licensing and cloud services, and a platform for monetizing private users by way of advertising and data mining. If they were ever to produce a Windows PowerUser edition, with absolutely no bloat, it would have to be priced like a CAD suite.
    • CamperBob2 11mo ago
      Fine, price it like a CAD suite, then. My problem with Microsoft is that they won't sell an un-enshittified version of Windows for any price (LTSC notwithstanding; it's not licensable for general use.) Owning our computing experience is that important to them.
    • nar001 11mo ago
      Isn't that what Windows 11 LTSC is though? At least a lot of it removed?
  • tavavex 11mo ago
    They do neither of those things because, unlike you, they don't care about improving the user experience. They care about making money through any possible means. 1. Making the system lean means that you'd have to exclude all the ads, all the free tracking you can do to extract more money, all tie-ins with additional Microsoft services you could've done. Getting paid for the product key is just one step of many in the process of wringing their stack for every last droplet of money they can provide. If anything, it's beneficial to Microsoft to make Windows into a singular giant blob that amalgamates every Microsoft offering into one and pushes them as hard as possible. What are those mainstream customers going to do, not use Windows? Though of course, when using a lean system is a requirement for some business customers, MS will also offer a separate minimal version that can only be obtained through business licenses, just to avoid missing out on those few percent of the market. 2. Why make AI features opt-in? That would require your AI offerings to be alluring enough to motivate users to install the AI features on their own, and how many people will realistically want to install Copilot into Notepad or any other psychotic integrations MS came up with? No, you NEED for your investment to have returns, you need AI to succeed, so what you do is put it in the next update, and then progressively keep punching it down customers' throats enough (via pop-ups, colorful buttons, hardware Copilot keys, ads, integrating it into every piece of software - soon enough they'll probably start substituting regular features with AI ones) until it starts looking like the investment is paying off after all and the investors are happy.
• w_for_wumbo 11mo ago
  We need to see actual improvements to our day to day lives if we want to see support for AI. At the moment, people are seeing improvements in technology, but they're feeling the decline of the welfare of those around them, they're feeling food insecurity, they're feeling uncertain about job security.
  • nik282000 11mo ago
    "AI" is not a machine for improving the lives of people, it's a tool for consolidating power and wealth at the top. Declining welfare and access to basic human needs shows that decision makers are getting better at min/maxing the economy.
    • willis936 11mo ago
      The CEO asks: if they have no bread then why don't they eat cake?
• knowitnone3 11mo ago
  Microsoft is using AI as an excuse to slurp all your personal files and documents. I'd take them to small claims court if I ran Windows
• inshard 11mo ago
  I was surprised when Microsoft hired him. He always seemed to be the cofounder to Demis Hassabis who took on a philosophical tangent rather than the hard engineering needed to build transformative technologies and user experiences. I feel Microsoft lost a gem when Panos Panay left them. He really did some great work on the Surface product line. Surface Studio in particular.
• ehnto 11mo ago
  I would simply urge that its important to listen to your end users. Microsoft has a grip on enterprise customers, but everyone else has at least two other options. The third option is not having a PC at all, and I bet a lot of people are totally happy with that given how powerful phones and tablets are now. The only thing I used Windows for was games, and that moat has all but vanished in the last few years. I game AAA games on linux with no issue now. Zero need for Windows. I had Windows as a home OS for 20 years, and it was their alienation through anti-patterns that caused me to switch. Not features, not compatibility, not performance. The clear and braindead obvious anti-consumer actions they made year after year.
• CMay 11mo ago
  The technology is amazing, but Microsoft has no imagination in the way they try to make use of it. It's sad. It also legitimately hurts society that they are further blurring the line between what is an offline and online experience in Windows, which I fully and openly reject in the strongest of terms. Also, Co-pilot objectively sucks and is a lying disinformation machine that has rarely helped me with anything. Trust is Microsoft's greatest asset and they don't seem to have any champions inside the company that can tell these people they are destroying the company's trust. Bing has been broken for a year now and nobody has fixed it. ATROCIOUSLY broken. That hurts trust.
• vivzkestrel 11mo ago
  Dear mr microsoft AI CEO, why dont you pass my message to the higher ups will ya? Make a decent operating system that runs on modern hardware with me the end user in full control of what gets installed and what doesnt. make a single scrollable screen that is 100 pages long for all i care where i get to choose what programs are installed, what permissions are required by each program, what telemetry options are enabled by default for each program and give me the ability to turn everything off if I must. I must be able to uninstall notepad and the Edge browser or even prevent them from being installed in the first place. After you get this much done, why dont we talk about your little AI features then?
• chris_wot 11mo ago
  When Microsoft updated office.com to immediately bring up a copilot prompt, and made it harder for me to find the menu items, I was pretty annoyed. Foisting AI on people in the way they have means we lose a bit more control, for a feature we don't want. There is a certain level of AI burnout in the market - not every product needs AI. In fact, if a vendor says they have "AI" in their product, I immediately ignore that aspect and ask even more questions about their actual capabilities. Often they are hiding things behind an AI smokescreen.
• qwertytyyuu 11mo ago
  It’s not that people are unimpressed with ai, it’s that they are unimpressed with what it can even on windows and forcing us to interact with it. Like I can’t even change basic settings with it. If it were good, you don’t need to tell me to used it!
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• zapzupnz 11mo ago
  The best way I've heard this described today is "he's high on his own supply".
• not4uffin 11mo ago
  I guess silicon valley truly makes you tone deaf.
• steve1977 11mo ago
  Is this super smart AI in the room with us right now?
• notepad0x90 11mo ago
  Imagine mcdonald's CEO saying "But it has so much calorie density for the price! and the bigmac tastes so sweet". People don't necessarily want calorie density just the same as they don't want their burgers tasting like sweet pie, not the right flavor for the context. Similarly, most people aren't necessarily trying to be productive, and they want features in the right context, and when desirable. Tangentially, Why is copilot, or even windows 11 as a whole so bland? Forget the features, why won't they slap some nice looking UI to sell the darn thing? wtf is up with the weird rainbow icon thing for copilot? It looks like something I would have scribbled together in photohshop when I was in highschool. Back to my food example, presentation of food carries most of the weight of what makes the food appetizing. UI/UX is presentation. A sweet hamburger, or a grey burger meat is bad UX just as a copilot showing up in random undesirable places is.
• alsetmusic 11mo ago
  This is pretty damning: [0] Talking to Windows’ Copilot AI makes a computer feel incompetent 0: https://www.theverge.com/report/822443/microsoft-windows-copilot-vision-ai-assistant-pc-voice-controls-impressions https://www.theverge.com/report/822443/microsoft-windows-cop...
• rewgs 11mo ago
  I will never be able to square the circle of c suites pushing both RTO and AI at the same time. You can't seriously believe in the "power" of face-to-face meetings while simultaneously forcing your employees to work with chat bots all day.
• Madmallard 11mo ago
  It's a shame that society is just devolving and we're just seeing it happen in real time. Inhuman opportunists are enacting an increasingly aggressive hostile takeover in every single industry and ruining it in the process. What's going to happen in the next 10 years?
• pinkmuffinere 11mo ago
  > people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video > super smart were there any US presidents named Bob? No U.S. president has ever gone by “Bob” as a first name or nickname. A few presidents had “Robert” in their full name, but none were commonly known as Bob: James Abram Garfield — middle name Abram, not Robert James Earl Carter Jr. (Jimmy Carter) — no Robert George Herbert Walker Bush / George Walker Bush — no Robert William Jefferson Clinton — no Robert Barack Hussein Obama II — no Robert ... The response continues at decent length here, in much the same vein: https://chatgpt.com/share/691eb846-8198-8010-bd3d-975fe1778d0c https://chatgpt.com/share/691eb846-8198-8010-bd3d-975fe1778d...
  • rsynnott 11mo ago
    ... Bloody hell. I do not routinely talk to our magical robot overlords, but I had vaguely assumed that they were better than that at this point. > George Herbert Walker Bush / George Walker Bush — no Robert I do like how it seems to have decided that Bush I and Bush II are the same person.
    • pinkmuffinere 11mo ago
      To be fair, it’s pretty good at some things. But it’s often hard to tell in advance which things, and it can fail on really dumb stuff. Like I don’t know why “presidents named Bob” sets it off.
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  • 1bpp 11mo ago
    I just asked this myself: "No. There has never been a U.S. President whose first name was “Bob.” A few presidents had names that could be shortened to Bob—most commonly Robert—but no U.S. President has had the first name Robert, either. (There have been presidents with middle name Robert, such as James Earl “Jimmy” Carter Jr., but that’s different.) So: no Presidents named Bob, and none named Robert as their first name. > Jimmy? (generic summary of who Jimmy Carter is) > So he also isn't a Robert. Correct — there have been no U.S. Presidents with the first name Robert. A few had middle name Robert (e.g., James Robert “Jimmy” Carter does not have Robert as a middle name, for clarity — his middle name is Earl), but no president’s given first name has been Robert. So your original statement stands: No “Bob” No “Robert” Want a list of presidents by first name to double-check?" My favorite part is it desperately inserting a Robert into Jimmy Carter's name to appease the context. I wonder if a diffusion based LLM would avoid that kind of failure.
• eviks 11mo ago
  > I grew up playing Snake on a Nokia phone! The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. Sorry not everyone has such a primitive mind to paper over the chasm. Like, ok, feel free to entertain yourself with a ImageVideoGenBot all your like and see if that blows your mind better than snake, but how would that entertainment help when your experience is made worse by AI integration? But also, that's just nonsense, we're nowhere close to "fluent conversation with a super smart AI" watch your own ads where it can't even understand that 150% scaling is already set and "super smartly" recommends setting it
• rsynnott 11mo ago
  ... Wow. "It must be the users who are wrong". I mean, MS has always had elements of this problem, but this is unusually bad.
• richev 11mo ago
  AI in search I could go for: "Find that meme I downloaded last year with the girl standing by the burning house" Creating AI slop though? No thanks.
• axpvms 11mo ago
  Having a fluent conversation with a "super smart" ai is no good to me when it's constantly gaslighting me and making stuff up.
• moribvndvs 11mo ago
  “Why people don’t trust a black box–owned and operated by an increasingly untrustworthy and incompetent organization, with a clear and vested interest in extracting and selling information about its users– with access to all their files and activity is mind-blowing to me” says corporate executive equivalent of a used car salesman.
• nubinetwork 11mo ago
  The sad part of Microsoft AI is the amount of emails I get about 365 or Azure being down, because of an AI driven change that caused the outage. Maybe if they paid some real developers, it wouldn't be broken so often...
• ChicagoDave 11mo ago
  The fact the he doesn’t even understand the push back tells you everything. It’s not about customers. It’s about investors and promises. Promises that will fail because the most important of business is knowing what your customers want. We have never asked for blind integration of AI into every aspect of our lives or work.
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• favflam 11mo ago
  Windows users' relationship with Microsoft looks like an abusive spouse relationship. I don't think the hurdle is so high for companies to sell Linux machines that look like Windows XP and users to just stomach changing OSs. I think Valve smells blood in the water and that is why they are releasing their new Steam Machine (linux based).
• ChoGGi 11mo ago
  If I want AI, I'll get AI. I don't need you to shove it down my throat. Not to mention it's mostly inconsistent trash.
  • tartoran 11mo ago
    MS wants to shove it down user's throats so it makes sure it comes from them not elsewhere. I really hope MS implodes over this. I've had Windows for 25 years and this year it was time for me to just move away to Linux. Good job Microsoft, you won't be missed.
• RandyOrion 11mo ago
  Wow. This CEO effectively says that he loves AI things in Windows therefore all Windows users who hate AI things should just get fucked and suffer from his decisions.
• sershe 11mo ago
  I had a rule of thumb is that if software is telling me about a feature or an update (outside of a tutorial or something, and security) the feature is probably useless, someone is padding their yearly review and I need to turn it off. People were saying I'm too grumpy, glad to see they are starting to come around ;)
• gradientsrneat 11mo ago
  "I grew up playing Snake on a Nokia phone" has got to be the most Millenial excuse I've heard to date.
• insane_dreamer 11mo ago
  It's not that we're unimpressed with certain capabilities, we just don't want it shoved down our throats at every turn, and without any clear improvement in our ability to perform the daily tasks we need or want to do.
• Rattays 11mo ago
  'The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me.' To dedicated tech professionals or power and possibly even just enthusiasts, I'd agree. What kind of bubble in their personal life must exist to NOT realise that being accidentally told a brief description of the image the user was looking at and knew full well was in front of them because they slip clicked on the wrong part of the windows UI, is not a selling point but an act of gross irritation.. Most people don't care unless it has a practical use beyond getting in the way of their work. Mind blowing indeed. Please.. don't be like that person.. expand your social circle outside of work.
• wkat4242 11mo ago
  He just says what he needs to say in order to accomplish his company's goals: selling lots of AI. That makes him as trustworthy as a used car salesman. I mean I think there's a niche where AI is useful but it's not for all the things they're trying to push it for. It's the metaverse and blockchain hypes all over again. Always trying to cram it into situations where it adds no value and even detracts. Instead of focusing on the ones where it really does.
• chrisandchris 11mo ago
  > [...] with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. Let me think, when was the last time I wanted to generate a picture? Never. Maybe many users do not care about the seemingly only use case AI does not fail to fulfil?
• ProllyInfamous 11mo ago
  >"A man can not be made to understand when his entire job depends on his not understanding." —Upton Sinclair
• rexpop 11mo ago
  Insofar as "All ambiguity is resolved by practitioners at the sharp end of the system", a tool that resolves ambiguity higher up the org chart is going to be less impressive to those of us who resolve ambiguity day in and day out. What I mean to say, is that we know our way around the tools and this is why we're not impressed when somebody else uses AI to find their way around the tools.
  • joshribakoff 11mo ago
    There are some potential biases here. Of course it is unimpressive when someone does something familiar to you, that is subjective. That same thing could be framed as impressive, to someone else, such as the person who is now able to do the unfamiliar as if it is familiar. The other bias would be to assume that there aren’t unfamiliar things (you don’t know every tool every made, therefore you may potentially benefit from using AI to help with learning new tools). Another bias is to assume AI is only good for learning something unfamiliar. There are ways to contain generative coding that scale, in some contexts. Likewise there’s probably use cases even for power users, like organizing messy desktop icons into semantic clusters (automating tedious tasks), summarizing running processes, limiting engagement with brain rot, etc.
    • franktankbank 11mo ago
      > organizing messy desktop icons into semantic clusters stunning stuff
  • sublinear 11mo ago
    This is very well said. The next phase is these "leaders" realizing all that still isn't enough to do meaningful work. Work comes from a deliberate familiarity with tools woven in with the full understanding of the problem. Likewise, a full understanding of the problem comes from familiarity with what's possible. Anyone who has successfully completed a self-motivated project all on their own knows that the problem definition changes when the knowledge gaps go away. Sometimes even entire classes of solutions become pointless and their value goes from seemingly huge to nothing at all. If we look into the past it's the difference between wanting to selfishly reconfigure the earth with physics-defying and godlike brute force creating massively worse and life-threatening problems... versus just building the shelter and infrastructure we now consider obvious and far less silly with smarter technology than just brute force and magic. That's what I think is going to happen to all this pointless scaffolding currently being called "AI". It's a category of software that is completely unnecessary in a world where people are more experienced and better educated.
• mightysashiman 11mo ago
  The power of (self-)endoctrination in action
• usr1106 11mo ago
  I am not unimpressed, I hate with passion to click away intrusive ”Use Copilot" prompts in MS products. AI is deeply unethical shit. Stolen content transformed under massive waste of energy, i.e. heating the planet. Yes, sometimes the results are impressive. But so are the mistakes it makes. You can't just trust the stuff it produces. I don't see that my colleagues who use it all the time have any better productivity.
  • Tor3 11mo ago
    Every day Teams gives me the choice to 'add Copilot panel', and the alternative is only 'Maybe later'. No simple "No".
    • jjkaczor 11mo ago
      In the past week, I have noticed two things that have "aggravated me" to no end... Many of my colleagues use a Teams virtual background - I noticed the other day that at least one had the CoPilot logo now injected onto the "blank" wall space behind them... Asked one person if they did that themselves... no, they did not... Next - NOTEPAD... Yeah, at some point recently that was updated to have a CoPilot button.. No thank-you, that's not why I use notepad... (you can turn it off for now at least)
  • 000ooo000 11mo ago
    Today I was using $tool with some dense docs and average forums. In a moment of weakness, I asked an LLM. It said, "just use strpos! :magic_wand:". Of course, strpos didn't exist, but it was in the question for the top result on Google for my problem: "I want to do x with $tool, kind of like strpos in $other_tool". After the impressiveness of the language generation wears off, it's just another bullshit generator and man I've had enough of bullshit these days.
• tempodox 11mo ago
  Of course MS would prove intransigent. They always knew better than their users, that’s nothing new.
• vrighter 11mo ago
  Just shows how out of touch they are. So the AI bubble seems to be composed of smaller bubbles around individual CEOs.
  • smallnix 11mo ago
    AI bubble wrap or AI insulating foam?
    • vrighter 11mo ago
      The bubble will pop eventually. So bubble wrap it is. Insulating foam doesn't really "pop"
• akomtu 11mo ago
  AI is at odds with humanity. Everyone understands that.
• jaccola 11mo ago
  VR is just as impressive. Doesn't mean I want my OS to be VR-only going forward.
  • preisschild 11mo ago
    VR actually helps me get more exercise (Beat Saber), so I'd definitely call it more impressive :P
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• ls-a 11mo ago
  Most CEOs nowadays should be replaced asap
  • red-iron-pine 11mo ago
    Aarguably one of the more reasonable usecases for LLMs
• tacker2000 11mo ago
  Well yes we dont want you slurping up all our data indiscriminately and feeding some AI with and and thereby enshittifying the OS. If i need to use AI I will paste text into ChatGPT.com or wherever, i dont need Word to constantly annoy me with it. Of course this guy is “surprised”, his whole division will be shut down if this fails. Aside: The cookie consent banner on this website is “unlawful”. I cannot choose to reject the cookies.
• lm28469 11mo ago
  People unsurprised by tech CEO being completely disconnected from the realities of 90% of the population
  • blitzar 11mo ago
    Personally I am unimpressed by the quality of tech CEOs, although unsurprised.
• WastedCucumber 11mo ago
  > The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. The image and video generation capabilities of AI is the most unimpressive part of AI's! It's the LLM's that are the most inpressive. Those might, just might, even make some sense in an OS, since plenty of people are happy to outsource a quick email or script to AI. Hell, what if your OS had a built-in AI to troubleshoot bugs for you? That might even conceivably be an improvement. > Over in the comments, some users pushed back on the CEO's use of the word "unimpressed," arguing that it's not the technology itself that fails to impress them, but rather Microsoft's tendency to put AI into everything just to appease shareholders instead of focusing on the issues that most users actually care about, like making Windows' UI more user-friendly similar to how it was in Windows 7, fixing security problems, and taking user privacy more seriously. I'm sure adding AI to Windows would make privacy problems even worse. Not to mention agentic AI could create a whole new class of security problems if not implemented carefully.
• rucknar 11mo ago
  Perhaps just me, but isn't this a case of the AI you ship to hundreds of millions of users isn't that impressive? The CoPilot (or Gemini in google workspace) experience is almost a different product it's so far off the raw performance of paid models. I can't stand interacting with these AI buddies that feel like simpletons. Stuff like Claude Sonnet 4.5 however i use for work daily.
• satisfice 11mo ago
  Imagine a general responding to anti-nuke protestors by wondering aloud how they could fail to be impressed by atom bombs. Imagine what kind of self-absorption that would require.
• demarq 11mo ago
  I made a comment a long time ago explaining this. Tech enthusiast will judge ai based on what it gets right, we’re interested in what “can” do. Everyone else will judge ai based on where it fails, they are interested in what “problems” it “does” solve. > a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. They see: A computer software generally unreliable and unable to accomplish basic tasks
  • mathw 11mo ago
    I'd dispute this, as I count myself as a tech enthusiast but I'm an enthusiast for tech which works well. I increasingly find myself having to put up with stuff that doesn't work well, and this AI investment instead of fixing the stuff that Windows is routinely doing to make my working day harder is infuriating. Also, in my experience, it's the non-tech-enthusiasts who are diving into LLMs because they don't understand what is actually going on and it basically looks like a repeat of the whole thing about ELIZA a few decades ago. Just this time it's vastly more expensive and has to run on a datacentre and can write you an essay instead of just rephrasing your question.
  • wkat4242 11mo ago
    > A computer software generally unreliable and unable to accomplish basic tasks Yeah specifically to your quote: it's very easy to create some images and video. It's very hard to create exactly what you need if you have specific needs. It's almost as if content creation is hard! Well that's because it is. You need to know the client, understand their needs, make the content in line with their other visual language etc. What AI makes easier if for things to look professional. But a real professional doesn't just make it look good but also makes it what you need. Where AI comes in is as a helper, and for those situations where "good enough" suffices. And there are many of those situations. Many of which would not have had the budget for a real pro to do it anyway.
    • demarq 11mo ago
      > Where AI comes in is as a helper This is where things stop translating well to the real world. Imagine a pocket calculator: 10 + 33 = 44 Clearly incorrect, then someone tells you “this one is different, it “helps” you, like 44 is in the ballpark. The real work is now the actual answer”
• pjmlp 11mo ago
  We are impressed by AI, and are using on our tools, what we don't want is to be force feeded into using AI in every single corner of Microsoft products, all of them.
• AndrewDucker 11mo ago
  I am impressed by AI. I just don't want to use it. "Look at how realistic this extruded text looks from a distance!" is definitely an achievement. It just doesn't add to my life in any useful way.
  • HeavyStorm 11mo ago
    Have you tried using it as a knowledge retrieval mechanism, I. E., in lieu of Google? Because if not, you really should.
    • AndrewDucker 11mo ago
      I would invite you to read the other comments on this post by people who have tried to use it for that, and found that it makes regular fundamental errors. Most of the time you're better off reading a few responses to a given question (on, say, Stack Overflow) and synthesizing your own understanding out of them, rather than taking one that an AI has synthesized for you.
      • mingus88 11mo ago
        I feel that calling it AI is a big part of the problem. An LLM parses and generates language exceedingly well. I use LLMs daily now and they are a boon for certain tasks. An LLM is not an all knowing Oracle. It doesn’t know anything. People who treat the language generator as an authority on anything are fools.
      • simianwords 11mo ago
        Who is getting fundamental regular errors? I don’t get any.
        • croon 11mo ago
          Do you verify regularly against real documentation/outside sources/subject authorities/question the output? I do, and regularly get wrong information from premier LLMs. I still use it for information retrieval because interrogating large corpora of text and double checking key information can still be faster, but I'm not fully convinced it's long term beneficial for my intellect or knowledge retention.
• hitekker 11mo ago
  https://youtu.be/xO0yuf-ToAk https://youtu.be/xO0yuf-ToAk ^ My meme comment for today.
• conartist6 11mo ago
  I am still puzzled by how you can be a human being in this world and not be impressed by people. The more we study AI, the more we discover one fundamental truth above an the others: people are really, really, really, really impressive. A human being still absolutely melts an LLM like a Salvador Dali clock if the challenge is to innovate. In the race between human potential and LLM potential it isn't even close. Not a little close. Not remotely close. About as close as we are to each other compared to how close we each are to the sun. And yet somehow there's always some fucking moron who apparently never considered this for a fraction of a second and runs around screaming that a fucking program will replace a fucking person
  • archerx 11mo ago
    Yes people are amazing but they are also tedious, annoying, frustrating, unpredictable and undependable. Finding someone that will flow and synergize with you on a project is like winning the lottery. People love to talk the talk but when it’s time to walk the walk the reality and disappointment sets in. Work with enough people and this painful reality sets in very quickly. However I don’t want an agentic or “A.I.” operating system.
    • conartist6 11mo ago
      It's not my problem that it's still challenging to find and work with people. I'm saying that it's where all most valuable the rewards are to be had. Unless I was mistaken and the goal is to do what is easy ...
      • archerx 11mo ago
        >Unless I was mistaken and the goal is to do what is easy I don't know about you but my goal is not to work hard. My goal is maximize results while minimizing effort. You know, work smarter not harder.
        • conartist6 11mo ago
          Yeeaaaah I'm exactly the same, but the LLM strat is actually "work harder not smarter" as far as I can tell. It substitutes quantity of work for quality, then lets you bulk-purchase quantities of work for cheap. If you want to minmax the work, the only way is to actually do the work.
• bgwalter 11mo ago
  There is no super smart "AI". An "AI" gives formulaic responses that always follow the same pattern, makes an incredible number of mistakes and claims different things all the time. The researchers themselves were surprised by the initial public acceptance: https://www.businessinsider.com/chatgpt-was-inaccurate-boring-when-it-launched-openai-cofounder-2023-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/chatgpt-was-inaccurate-borin... "I will admit, to my slight embarrassment … when we made ChatGPT, I didn't know if it was any good," said Sutskever. "When you asked it a factual question, it gave you a wrong answer. I thought it was going to be so unimpressive that people would say, 'Why are you doing this? This is so boring!'" he added. After several weeks of "AI" usage everyone figures out what the researchers knew all along due to their continued exposure.
• animal531 11mo ago
  Windows has basically gone from a. Click on a directory in my File Explorer and it opens immediately, it always shows the correct headers, sorting on any column is nearly instant (up until somewhere in XP probably) b. Where I am now in Windows 10 sorting can take forever and because I haven't re-installed in ages it refuses to remember folder views and will constantly change them to whatever it wants c. In the future saying - "Winny, open folder ABC and sort it by DEF please" - "Folder ABC deleted, except for def.txt" - "NO, I said open it, not delete it! Get it back!" - "Error, folder isn't recoverable"
• anovikov 11mo ago
  Because people have developed "AI blindness" by now much like they learnt to ignore ad banners 20 years ago and then learned to ignore ANY images on sites when they all got to be AI-generated 2-3 years ago. "AI" is now just a bullshit, meaningless term squeezed in everywhere merely to ask for money for nothing. This wave of idiocy is going to abate soon. Hopefully.
• wellthisisgreat 11mo ago
  Every person I consider smart / intellectually engaged, curious, regardless of the age, profession and affiliation with tech companies is actually deeply impressed by LLMs either by themselves or if they encounter what LLMs can do. LLM bashers either feel threatened by them (most likely they come from creative professions and don’t want to learn new tools - it took years to learn how to draw and suddenly you have nano-banana - that may sting) or just latch on to the hater bandwagon because hey it’s sooo cooool to bash techies - take it nerds. Or engineers who can’t stand the fact that someone can actually leapfrog 5-6 years they spent adapting to new tools. LLM is a VERY new tool, it’s not easy to master, it requires a change of mindset (it’s not “press a button get a LED light up” type of experience). People are just lazy - that’s normal. People who bring up ethics are actually masquerading their laziness with some holier than though posturing that’s inherently empty. The moment it starts benefit them or LLMs get easy enough for them to use they’ll switch their tune. Name ONE instance where technological progress has been discarded in favor of “ethics”. 5 years later it will be unethical to NOT use LLMs like it’s unethical to submit handwritten documents so that ppl have to suffer through your handwriting - ethics adapt to people not the other way around, otherwise it’s some religious nut job territory. Yawn, h8rs gonna h8, progress gonna progress.
• dbs 11mo ago
  LLMs are awesome bullshit generators. Cant see why some CEOs would not be impressed by them.
• antisthenes 11mo ago
  AI CEO or AI CEO? Did they finally start replacing them with AI?
  • zingababba 11mo ago
    Both. AI AI CEO.
  • red-iron-pine 11mo ago
    inshallah
• ryandrake 11mo ago
  He is deliberately and disingenuously missing the point. It's not that we are unimpressed by AI (although we might be). The problem is companies that are coercing users to use it by jamming it everywhere and making decisions on the user's behalf by turning it on when it's unwanted. I am the master and commander of my computer. It should not execute anything without my deliberately commanding it to. But that's not good enough for Microsoft. They see themselves as the commander of my computer. My computer should do what they want it to do, not what I want. And it should be really hard for the user to take back control. This coercion is what we are objecting to, not the actual capabilities of the software.
• lousken 11mo ago
  They use the worst model in 2025 by default, combine it with their dumb api and expect people to like it? You can't even switch to gpt5 or anything better in their stupid copilot ui.
• captainkrtek 11mo ago
  > The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's gimmicky and it seems the only people "impressed" or "mindblown" with AI content are boomers on Facebook. Any time I see some obviously AI generated content, whether it be some LinkedIn-influencer type or some blog spam that got well ranked on SEO, I'm immediately disgusted. The internet is eating itself.