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You can't refuse to be scanned by ICE's facial recognition app, DHS document say
- baubino 1y ago>>> Photos captured by Mobile Fortify will be stored for 15 years, regardless of immigration or citizenship status, the document says. The headline plus this quote reveals the real intentions — to create a comprehensive dataset that includes biometric data and can be used however the government wishes, regardless of one’s citizenship. I have no doubt that this data will also be sold to other entities. I remember reading years ago about how facial recognition was particularly bad at correctly identifying people with darker skin and was generally not great as the sole method of identification. The possibility of a mistaken identity being captured by this app would have life-altering implications with essentially no recourse. This is really disturbing.
- lysp 1y ago> to create a comprehensive dataset that includes biometric data and can be used however the government wishes Not forgetting Elon's mass data scraping from earlier this year.
- leobg 1y agoAre you talking about DOGE? That data already existed in government databases. There was also no scraping involved.
- orwin 1y agoI think "Scrapping" semantic meaning is slowly switching to "illegally collecting", and for those who mean that, your comment is perceived as pedantic (basically me when people talk about "crypto" and i am still responding "cryptocurrency you mean?")
- hrimfaxi 1y agoWhy would scraping have an unlawful connotation? I thought US courts have ruled scraping to be allowed.
- verdverm 1y ago"scraping" is being used in two ways 1. Scraping a website, by anyone, allowed by courts if it is publicly accessible 2. "Scraping" of data, by the government, from various sources into a centralized database in partnership with Palantir. It's a worse version of the "Patriot" Act
- zzrrt 1y agoFYI, you wrote “scrapping”, but the word under discussion only has one P.
- daveguy 1y agoIt was exfiltration -- copying or moving data from an internal system to an external system. They insisted on and bragged about full access because now it would be "efficient". But it was clearly just simple opportunity for theft by a bunch of shady assholes. They also touted the ability to link data across multiple department to mine data on US citizens. The libertarian, "don't make databases of us" folks sat around with their thumbs up their asses because reasons. See also the Krebs link. Why are you defending this crap? They also destroyed the departments that were actually making digital services more streamlined and easier to use 18F by dissolution and US Digital Services by capture. doge was a fucking disaster.
- walletdrainer 1y agoAre there any details available on whether or not anything actually happened there?
- griffzhowl 1y agoYes, good grounds for concluding that there was a large exfiltration of govt data by the doge team https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/04/doge-workers-code-supports-nlrb-whistleblower/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/04/doge-workers-code-suppor...
- mcmcmc 1y agoNot just doge, there were pretty clear indicators they left the door open for Russia to grab all they could as well.
- griffzhowl 1y agoThe same whistleblower mentioned newly-created doge credentials being used to attempt login to the NLRB system from an IP address in Primorskiy Krai, the province around Vladivostock in Russias far east. They were blocked because the system doesn't allow non-US access even with proper credentials. There are many possible explanation for that since it's just an IP address. This is some more detail about the whisteblower's testimony from an earlier Krebs article: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/04/whistleblower-doge-siphoned-nlrb-case-data/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/04/whistleblower-doge-sipho... Was there anything else about Russia?
- Muromec 1y ago>>>> Photos captured by Mobile Fortify will be stored for 15 years, regardless of immigration or citizenship status, the document says. That's what happens when you don't have mandatory id system and want to enforce immigration policy -- government just does whatever bullshit sticks and there is no carefully crafted set of safeguards and procedural rules to slap it for doing too much. > remember reading years ago about how facial recognition was particularly bad at correctly identifying people with darker skin I would imagine that for current administration it's not a bug, but a feature.
- kbrisso 1y agoWho needs mandatory id systems? State ID's and passports work just fine. What if I don't want an ID?
- cycomanic 1y agoI think the answer is in the article, you get a mobile app that acts as a defacto national ID with the officers using the app explicitly being allowed to ignore any other ID documents.
- tempodox 1y agoDisturbing is when I burn my scrambled eggs in the frying pan. This is state terrorism.
- ktallett 1y agoWhy exactly have ICE been given limitless power? Facial recognition is at best right more than half the time, but many studies have shown it to be consistently faulty leading to many wrong ID's. What is the point of a database with incorrect biometric data connected to a person?
- fishmicrowaver 1y agoGuarantee Palantir is 'mitigating' those concerns before anyone has them by having a 'process' and 'guardrails' in place, so everyone can convince themselves this is a great thing to do. The decision makers won't even be around by the time a substantial enough number of people are harmed to incur blowback, and by then, people will have gotten rich/promoted.
- XorNot 1y agoYou Americans are really going to have to get over trying to blame corporations for all your problems, or expecting them to fix all your problems. This is a problem from your government, by your government, that you voted for - one way or another. Pretending this problem is originating from anywhere else except the political choices you're making as a nation is denying reality.
- djcannabiz 1y agoI agree with you, but I think this ignores the structural factors caused by corporations that lead to the election of this government in the first place (multinational corporations lobbying for NAFTA and the resulting deindustrialization of america).
- analog31 1y ago>>> your government, that you voted for - one way or another No, I didn't, not one way, nor another. I might have had a share of influence over policy in certain statewide elections, but not in most other elections.
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- noodlesUK 1y agoThis is going to be a huge pain. The US has a very fragmented identity system, and "move fast and break things" approaches like this to bring information from across government systems well outside the scope of what that information was collected for will result in real problems. I worry what this app and systems like it might mean for me. I'm a US citizen, but I used to be an LPR. I never naturalized - I got my citizenship automatically by operation of law (INA 320, the child citizenship act). At some point I stopped being noodlesUK (LPR) and magically became noodlesUK (US Citizen), but not through the normal process. Presumably this means that there are entries in USCIS's systems that are orphaned, that likely indicate that I am an LPR who has abandoned their status, or at least been very bad about renewing their green card. I fear that people in similar situations to my own might have a camera put in their face, some old database record that has no chance of being updated will be returned, and the obvious evidence in front of an officer's eyes, such as a US passport will be ignored. There are probably millions of people in similar situations to me, and millions more with even more complex statuses. I know people who have multiple citizenships with multiple names, similar to this person: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45531721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45531721. Will these hastily deployed systems be able to cope with the complex realities of real people? EDIT: LPR is lawful permanent resident, i.e., green card holder
- e40 1y agoLPR?? It is so frustrating to see acronyms without explanation. I looked in the article and searched the web.
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- ErroneousBosh 1y agoThey were born as a network printing system, and became a US citizen later in life. I see you, Wintermute, I see you.
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- hexbin010 1y ago> “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,” This is "computer says no (not a citizen)". Which is horrifying They've just created an app to justify what they were already doing right? And the argument will be "well it's a super complex app run by a very clever company so it can't be wrong"?
- sleepybrett 1y agoYou mean 'clearview ai' says no.
- rgsahTR 1y ago> They've just created an app to justify what they were already doing right? This was also one of the more advanced theories about the people selection and targeting AI apps used in Gaza. I've only heard one journalist spell it out, because many journalists believe that AI works. But the dissenter said that they know it does not work and just use it to blame the AI for mistakes.
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- convolvatron 1y agowell, given that the current US regime has been dancing around the notion that criticism of the state of Israel should be _illegal_. Such criticism has already been used as the pretense to detain and deport legal residents. Combined with the popular notion that law enforcement should be digging around in people's social media accounts to ascertain if they are a member of the 'enemy within', some people might be legitimately concerned about posting anything that casts doubt on the morality of the current conflict in Gaza.
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- elif 1y agoThis is insane level of data to store for every person's likeness. Fake masks are so advanced now, I'm sure the IC has 3d printers that could just arbitrarily map any face to any user. And this insane spoofing capability would give not just the government, but contractors, corrupt police departments, or hackers or rich people that aquire the data. And that's just the physical realm because to me that's the scariest one, but giving these power manipulators access to likeness for deep fake video is probably sufficient to cause all kind of havock.
- mring33621 1y agoThis same story was killed on HN over the last couple work days. Huh...
- potato3732842 1y agoWeekend crowd.
- tempodox 1y agoI was wondering why it isn’t flagged yet.
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- herval 1y agowhen a government implements 1930s style nationalism with 2020s tech - what could possibly go wrong?
- Y-bar 1y agoI searched for records of IBM donations to Trump, but it seems they might actually be one of a few tech companies staying out of it. This company might remember their history. Meta and Palantir are probably the IBM:s of the current age.
- nosianu 1y ago> This company might remember their history. For the record: Apparently they helped the original Nazis. One link of many: https://time.com/archive/6931688/ibm-haunted-by-nazi-era-activities/ https://time.com/archive/6931688/ibm-haunted-by-nazi-era-act... > IBM, according to Black’s book and the lawsuit, was responsible for punch card technology used by Nazi demographers in the years leading up to World War II — and eventually by the SS, which was charged with rounding up Europe’s Jews. Although it has long been known that IBM’s German arm, which was taken over by the Nazis, had cooperated with the regime — and, indeed, was in a consortium of companies making payments to survivors and victims’ families — Black says that the American parent was fully aware of the use to which the technology was put. And after the Germans surrendered, Black says, IBM’s U.S. office was quick to collect profits made during the war by the subsidiary, called Dehomag. > The punch cards and counting machines, says Black, were provided to Hitler’s government as early as 1933, and were probably used in the Nazis’ first official census that year. The technology came in handy again in 1939 when the government conducted another census, this time with the explicit goal of identifying and locating German Jews — and finally, Black alleges, in tracking records at Nazi concentration camps. > It’s this specificity of purpose, says William Seltzer, an expert in demographic statistics at Fordham University, that provides the most damning evidence. “Microsoft is not responsible for every spreadsheet made with Excel,” Seltzer told TIME.com. “But if someone is doing custom designing of a database, they have to know what’s going on. With these punch cards, Dehomag had to design a card for every piece of new information that the government wanted.”
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- AndyKelley 1y agoHow do you know what you need to hide?
- boothby 1y agoThat's an awfully suspicious question to ask, don't you think?
- thhoooowww0101 1y ago(edit: It seems that it was sarcasm! I didn't detect it!) You'd think the HN crowd, with access to a lot of information, probably higher education, and basic knowledge of history, would be smarter than this, but maybe not.
- mark_and_sweep 1y agoAs a German, I gotta ask: Is this a reference to Martin Niemöller's "First They Came"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
- foofoo12 1y agoNatürlich.
- hsbauauvhabzb 1y agoAlmost certainly
- mrbombastic 1y agoDefine the “you” you are talking about please.
- sanex 1y ago_at the moment_ lul
- IAmGraydon 1y agohttps://archive.is/WxyIP https://archive.is/WxyIP
- fortyseven 1y agoThey better have that thing in a fucking OtterBox then.
- beeflet 1y agothe USA has achieved communist levels of surveillance
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- braebo 1y agoYou’re kidding I hope? Spearheading democratic socialist policies is a far cry from communism… calling Mamdani a communist is woefully ignorant at best and bad faith propaganda at worst.
- skopje 1y agothis isn't communism: communism is an economic system. this is fascism (not even authoritarianism), which is a governing structure.
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- BiteCode_dev 1y agoScale and cost matter. Skin in the game too.
- anigbrowl 1y agoNot recognizing someone is not probable cause for seizing them.
- SpicyLemonZest 1y agoThat's how ICE wants you to think about it, but they've tricked you. The rule that they actually implemented is that you must accept temporary detention while being scanned. If a random guy wants to take a picture of my face, he has every right to, but I in turn have every right to hide my face or flip him off and leave the scene before he gets a good shot. If ICE stops your car, and they don't trust your word that you're a citizen (or if you refuse to engage with them as is your right as a citizen), they will not let you leave until you've accepted a scan.
- l33tbro 1y agoAre you arguing that seeing and recording someone are the same act?
- moogly 1y ago> Sad to see programmers, who are supposed to be so thoughtful, slip into panicked irrationality in the face of new technology. This is not about technology. It's about civil, and ultimately, human rights. Society is crumbling fast and what you're concerned about are technicalities.
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- qustrolabe 1y ago"You can refuse to give password to those fellow gentlemen with a hammer that tied you to a chair" kind of title
- _yb2s 1y agoPer thousands of videos on social media, it doesn’t matter what your rights are anymore, if you try to ask for them ICE will just become even more sadistic and violent, and the DOJ/government will refuse to cooperate in bringing them to justice for denying you your rights- you have no rights or recourse anymore even as a citizen. Moreover, the agents are masked and refuse to self identify as the law requires so you will never be able to say who violated your rights- they are hiding their identities because they are committing crimes. They are not police that follow laws, they are state sponsored white supremacist terrorists.
- potato3732842 1y agoFedcops have ALWAYS been like this. They don't go away from an interaction empty handed like local cops sometimes will because the person they're after is following the law. But of course fed-cops were never seriously prowling neighborhoods where the nearest grocery store is a Whole Foods so nobody on HN cared until now.
- dragonwriter 1y agoMost of Federal law enforcement except for those that patrol certain, usually sharply defined (but see border patrol for a big exception) areas historically has been in one of two modes interacting: either gathering information (this includes serving a search warrant), or arresting based on an existing arrest warrant, usually from a felony indictment. In the former case, something really out of ordinary has to happen to turn it into an arrest in that interaction (though that doesn't mean you wont be indicted and arrested based on it) and in the latter nothing is likely to deter arrest. Border patrol specifically is wildly different, looking for people who are suspected of being subject to their jurisdiction without a specific indictment, detaining with in practice, if not in law, a much lower standard of suspicion than applies usually, and then generally having those detained subject to process that is almost entirely within executive branch “courts” with consequences as severe as criminal process but much lower protections than criminal process (where literal toddlers defend themselves in “court" against government lawyers.) The current “immigration” crackdown, while ICE (which historically has worked more like a regular federal law enforcement agency despite its detainees often flowing into the executive immigration system and not the criminal justice system) has been the public face of it is effectively applying the Border Patrol culture/approach far more broadly (which is also why, in frustration with the “inadequate” results so far ICE middle leadership is being purged and replaced with Border Patrol personnel.)
- sambull 1y agoif DOGE data + AI decided your WOKE.. maybe this won't say your a citizen one day
- skopje 1y agothat is exactly where this is going. who needs pink triangles and yellow stars with ice cameras everywhere.
- DenisM 1y agoWith enough images in the database a match will be found any face.
- jschoe 1y agoI wonder if my face is even in their database. I have US citizenship + SSN but never lived in the USA. I do have a passport though and visited a few times for vacations.
- tremon 1y agoThe safest assumption would be that if your face has ever featured in a photo on Facebook, it already is in their database.
- pramsey 1y agoLast couple times over the border the officers have pointed a camera at me (travelling on US passport), so I assume my mug is in there. Seems completely routine and universal at airports now? I wonder if the original passport photo has similarly been scanned at this point.
- codedokode 1y agoDon't they take photo and collect fingerprints when crossing the border?
- lbrito 1y agoAnd the other day there was a thread with multiple people moaning that The Baddies signed a data privacy agreement, while of course the only country in the world that respects privacy is Murrica.
- jmward01 1y agoAs I have gotten older I have liked 'vigilante justice' movies less and less. Superheros that always prove might makes right, cops that 'buck the system and do what is needed to get the job done', etc etc. It is because those actions always lead to exactly what we seen now, unchecked attacks on people. Corruption using 'we gotta do something and it means a few people will get hurt but it is worth it' as a tool to achieve their agenda. American media has been pushing this message out for so many decades now that we think these are the good guys fighting the hard fight when in reality the opposite is true. Law enforcement and the military should be held at a far higher level of accountability, not a lower one, because of the powers they wield. The country needs to grow up and stop believing, and allowing, this behavior to continue. Be an adult, show up to local city counsel meetings, get actually informed and not headline informed and vote.
- halJordan 1y ago24 is a great example of it. Watching the flanderization of that show is incredible bc what they flanderize is exactly what you're talking about. In the first seasons it was clear that what Jack did was wrong in the sense that it broke well intentioned rules; we were just in such an extreme scenario that the rules themselves broke down. But later it flanderized into, we want to break the rules. The rules are an impediment to goodness, not the guarantor.
- Der_Einzige 1y ago24, dr. Phil, and a whole lot of other trash from that era sowed the seeds of the current faacism-lite brewing in America right now. Neoconservatism is as much of a cancer as civic nationalism is.
- potato3732842 1y agoBecause the piecemeal sellout of the nation's industrial base to the far east on environmental grounds and then the piecemeal closure of any remaining paths up into the middle class on comparable grounds was such a resounding success? The peddlers of the things that caused the legitimate gripes that drove them into the harms of these movements need to do some looking in the mirror. Most people don't care about most issues most of the time. If they're holding their nose and voting for blatant extremism, the people they're not voting for ought to do some reflecting.
- kbrisso 1y agoThis is America and we shouldn't have to put up with this. We shouldn't allow mask men running around terrorizing people because of race. But we can't stop it. American freedom is about being free from this form of harassment. American freedom is about being left alone to make something for yourself and your family. America is built on a bad marriage and is not perfect but to let this administration continue to do these types of illegal acts and cause one constitutional crisis after another is the down fall of this country in my opinion. As far as I'm concerned there will be no more elections in the future. What do we do then?
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- lyu07282 1y ago> This is America It's probably not, but your post almost reads like satire in reference to the tv show by Sacha Baron Cohen with the same name. Living with so many contradictions for so long just leaves one confused and disoriented when it all shatters around you. American exceptionalism means the freedom to poison the well and the freedom to die from drinking poisoned water.
- kbrisso 1y agoI'm a libertarian until it comes to human safety and corruption. We need regulations to regulate greed. I also believe in privacy and personal freedom as long as you don't hurt others. If you want to come to this country and work - please come and do so. Freedom isn't a flag on a truck or to poison the well and the and die from drinking poisoned water.
- lyu07282 1y agoAmericans have the politics of toddlers, the most manipulated people on the planet. "I'm a libertarian, we need to regulate greed" just like wtf even
- AvAn12 1y agoFourth Amendment to the United States Constitution: > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Ice can say what they want. The Constitution is the ultimate law of the land here. Oh yeah, and facial recognition does not work to anything like this degree of accuracy, and probably never can. Nice try.
- fragmede 1y agoThe supreme court interprets the laws, including the constitution, and they've decided that being brown is sufficient reasonability.
- estearum 1y agoNope they didn't decide that. It's actually even worse! A lot of Americans have the impression that SCOTUS keeps deciding in the administration's favor, but this is not true. SCOTUS is saying: "We're not going to hear this case right now, but we likely will in the future. In the meantime, we are going to overturn the lower court who did actually hear the case and allow the administration to continue its actions. No, we will not explain we think the lower court got wrong." Increasingly these SCOTUS orders totally unexplained which is a blatant violation of their judicial obligations, and they are frequently unsigned by the majority (conservative) Justices. Presumably because they don't want their names written on papers that they know will be understood by future generations to be totally indefensible. SCOTUS has proven itself functionally incapable of fulfilling its Constitutional duties and has proven that we need a lot more Justices. If you don't have the time to hear the cases we need you to hear, then the court needs to be scaled up and we can pick random panels to hear different cases. Nothing to do with policy disagreements (how would any American even know if they had a policy disagreement with an unexplained, unsigned SCOTUS order?) – we just need courts that can decide on things that are important to our country.
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- 28304283409234 1y agoThe International Society for the Abolition of Data Processing Machines was right all along.
- djoldman 1y agoI am not a lawyer. There may be some confusion here. It's legal for anyone to take a photo of anyone else in public, with few exceptions. TFA is not saying that ICE is forcing people to stand for a photo, it's saying that once ICE takes a photo, they can do stuff with it. As an aside, it's my understanding that, unless someone is arrested, they're free to wear whatever clothing they like including something that covers their face. Probable cause is required for arrest, therefore ICE cannot force you to uncover your face. I'm not sure this has been tested much though, especially with folks temporarily detained. Second aside, I anticipate a ton of lawsuits where folks give clear and convincing evidence of US citizenship and are unlawfully detained thereafter.
- sigwinch 1y agoYet false arrests without probable cause are happening. The limits on this are being tested on real people. For some voters, those are the right people to test it on.
- jwkpiano1 1y agoThis is indeed happening, but note that PC is not required for a Terry stop, only reasonable suspicion, which is a lower bar.
- Ylpertnodi 1y agoPC = probable cause. Maybe.
- mrbombastic 1y agoNope, that might be the policy in some sane world: “Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) does not let people decline to be scanned by its new facial recognition app, which the agency uses to verify a person’s identity and their immigration status, according to an internal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) document obtained by 404 Media” they are talking about walking up to you and scanning your face with an app, you can see them doing it (to minors!) here: https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1ogm1qk/ice_agents_chased_down_these_two_kids_on_their/?share_id=-WsGTvRCGmd6gkWWQGEkH&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1ogm1qk/ice_agen... You don’t have to look too far on the internet to see that ICE is acting with impunity, and that the regular rules and rights are not being applied.
- avadodin 1y agoWithout veering too much into politics, in functional families, children do not mind if their dad knows they are home and who they bring in along, and dads do not install AI-powered security cameras. This is a trust issue.
- rexpop 1y agoThere is something deeply disturbing about the commonality of the "paternalist" conception of government. I've been troubled by the normalization of "daddy" and paternal government rhetoric, especially the "daddy's home" framing that's become so prevalent. This language isn't just colorful—it signals something genuinely dangerous about how we're being asked to relate to political authority. When we accept government through a paternalistic lens, we're accepting a fundamentally anti-democratic premise: that citizens should be treated as dependents rather than as autonomous equals. This isn't new—fascist regimes have consistently used paternal imagery to justify concentrated power, from Stalin to Hitler to countless others. The "strong father" archetype is a proven tool for normalizing authoritarian control. What's particularly troubling about the "daddy" rhetoric we're seeing is how it combines paternalism with threats of punishment and retribution. It invites a dynamic where citizens compete for approval from a leader who's positioned as both protector and disciplinarian—someone who will "spank" the nation for "misbehaving." This language erodes the principle that government authority should be accountable to the people, not the reverse. Democracy requires citizens who see themselves as stakeholders in governance, not children waiting for a father figure to tell them what's best. When we accept government as "dad," we're tacitly accepting a hierarchy where some people are "favored children" (the in-group) and others are outsiders to be excluded or punished. History shows this path leads away from democracy. We should resist this framing, not because strong leadership is bad, but because paternalism is incompatible with democratic equality and individual autonomy.
- frm88 1y agoSo much this! Bravo!
- johnisgood 1y agoI believe individual autonomy should not be mentioned by people who are in favor of the war on drugs. Why do you care what I put in my body as long as I am harming no one? I am not saying you are, but many people who talk about individualism and autonomy are. It is ridiculously inconsistent.
- perplex3d 1y agoThe rule of law is slipping away from Americans. These masked “anonymous” federal agents are identifying people without consent. In most states of the United States, one is not always required to identify oneself and has the right to remain anonymous unless an officer has a reasonable suspicion to believe that the individual is involved in a crime. One may argue, “well, what if the officer already knew the person’s identity? Isn’t this the same?” No, this is not the same, because there is a huge difference in scale, and furthermore, this is database building. These are reasons why the dichotomy in the US between public and private should be scrapped and modernized. We the people should have some right to privacy even in public, as the abilities to identify and track individuals in public are more expansive and invasive than ever. Never in history have the tools of surveillance been this oppressive and all encompassing.
- beefnugs 1y agoI wonder if they perfected e-ink tattoos yet, run a magnet over them to change the tattoo maybe
- elestor 1y agoI haven't read 1984 but this reminds me of when I read 1984
- velocity3230 1y ago"Land of the free. Home of the brave."
- fithisux 1y agoThe Humanity Bureau You can't refuse your transfer to New Eden.
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- rekabis 1y agoThese days I am having trouble telling America apart from a Black Mirror episode… The slide into authoritarianism and fascism is becoming more blatantly obvious every day. It’s legitimately terrifying.
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