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- Printerisreal 1y agoLowest tier comes with 16 gb of memory, same memory size with lowest M. air, why Apple?
- znkr 1y agoSearch for memory wall. Moore’s law died a decade ago for DRAM
- simonw 1y agoIt looks like the highest tier is 32GB, which really surprised me. I guess we'll have to wait for the M5 Pro / M5 Max for more memory than that. Bad news for anyone who buys the M5 MacBook Pro as an "AI" machine and finds it can't fit any of the more interesting LLMs!
- ortusdux 1y agoThey are running out of ways to differentiate their products.
- outside1234 1y agoWait what!?!? My MacBook M1 has 64GB of memory for crying out loud.
- xuki 1y agoIt has always been this way. Base M1's max RAM was 16GB, M2/M3's was 24GB, M4's was 32GB.
- Printerisreal 1y agoBase m1 was like 4-5 years ago. did we have that much ram with oldest macs too, 30 years ago? 4-5 years at same base RAM is incredibly cheap behaviour from Apple. Some phones are literally close to that RAM now.
- masklinn 1y agoBase M1 had 8GB RAM base and 16 max. Where are you getting “same base ram”?
- Printerisreal 1y ago%100 ram growth in 5 years still very slow and cheap.
- flemhans 1y agoI think 8GB was also what we had in ... 2012? Or am I wrong. Memory has been going so slow.
- wltr 1y agoFirst Retina MacBook Pros 13" were with 8 GB base memory. That was either 2013 or even 2012, so, yeah.
- tracker1 1y agoYou could (unsupported) run 16gb ram on 2010 rMBP models, back before it was soldered on. Worked great, not to mention swapping the spinning drive for an SSD. At this point, I get the soldered on ram, for better or worse... I do wish at least storage was more approachable.
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- sixothree 1y agoAnd a "pro" computer that comes with half a tb of storage by default with a $200 premium for another 0.5 tb of storage. Oof. Just gross. I know people complain at every release. But I look at the three choices presented and they are all disappointing to me. It's a huge turnoff to see the only initial differentiator presented to be a choice between "measly" amounts of RAM and storage to "barely acceptable" amounts. To get even close to the specs on my Surface Pro I'd have to hit the configurator and spend at least $1000. Even more to hit the config of my work issued HP notebook.
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- czbond 1y agoThe Pro sales page says their RAM is unified, which is more efficient than traditional. Anyone have a concept by how much more efficient unified RAM performs vs RAM? Their sales copy for reference: "M-series chips include unified memory, which is more efficient than traditional RAM. This single pool of high-performance memory allows apps to efficiently share data between the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine.... This means you can do more with unified memory than you could with the same amount of traditional RAM."
- _joel 1y agoIt's unified on the Air too though?
- hasperdi 1y agoyes, all Mx processors have unified ram
- masklinn 1y agoRAM has always been unified on every M series CPU.
- thefz 1y agoIt just means it's shared between GPU and CPU. Has its advantages in specific workloads, but dedicated super fast GPU RAM usually is better. Everything else in this statement in marketing bullshit and Apple trying to look like they invented the wheel and discovered fire.
- tracker1 1y agoThe fact that it's unified just means it's shared between CPU/GPU usage which can be a good thing. A lot of the performance comes from more channels and a more stable distance from the CPU itself... Getting really fast performance from RAM is more difficult with a detachable interface in the middle, and longer traces. Still not the fastest ram, that they use for dedicated GPUs, but faster than most x86 options.
- masklinn 1y agoBecause the MacBook “pro” with a base (not pro or max) M is and has always been an air with better cooling.
- justonceokay 1y agoFor perspective I have a 12 year old MacBook with 8 gigs of ram and it’s still perfectly usable for all the things I do on it. If you need more RAM because you are video encoding, compiling, or gaming (why!?) then you aren’t a basic consumer. I’m not trying into be a fanboy and maybe it’s a little bit “cope”, but apple has always put as much RAM as is necessary for the computer to work—and not a lot more—in their base models.
- michaelt 1y agoThe $1599 M5 Macbook Pro: Good enough for a guy who thinks a 12-year-old MacBook with 8 gigs of ram is "still perfectly usable" :)
- justonceokay 1y agoI know it’s silly, but I think I represent over 90% of apples customers in that way. I just need something that reads emails and shows me porn.
- leakycap 1y ago> I know it’s silly, but I think I represent over 90% of apples customers in that way You're not silly, you're just able to see reality. Apple knows who is buying the bulk of their computers, and it isn't power users ... most people buying computers don't have a clue what RAM is even used for. I'd hit beachballs, but macOS balances 8GB of RAM fine even with Tahoe for regular users
- eitally 1y agoThat 90% are perfect candidates for the even cheaper Macbook Air lineup.
- dvfjsdhgfv 1y agoWell, they could continue the 8gb joke so let's appreciate the fact that they finally switched to 16gb base models (and similarly stopped the 128GB SSD madness, these models were outdated when bought).
- Ambroos 1y agoThe lack of WiFi 7 is disappointing. 6E is fine but by now I'd expect 7 in new computers.
- lm28469 1y agohomoconsomator needs bigger numbers even if he acknowledges smaller number is ok. What do you do on wifi that requires more than 10gb per seconds... on a laptop, you'd fill up the base model ssd in under a minute of download
- Ambroos 1y agoI run our office IT, and WiFi 7 is just better at managing congestion. We have a floor in a busy building and 5Ghz is chaos. 6E is fine, it's just strangely old for a company like Apple.
- justincormack 1y agoIt is in the new ipad pro as part of the new Apple chipset, so presumably coming to other machines later.
- ComputerGuru 1y agoAre these custom boards or just mini pcie network cards you could swap out?
- leakycap 1y agoThis is Apple: the last time they shipped a pcie/replaceable wifi card was thirteen years ago on the Mid-2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro. Even pre-Apple Silicon, it's been a decade since users could upgrade MacBook's RAM or internal storage.
- thewebguyd 1y agoEspecially considering the M5 iPad pro has WiFi 7. Sounds like maybe they didn't want to try and fit their new N1 chip this go around so they could re-use some components? MacBook still has the same broadcom chip. Or for a pro differentiating feature when the M5 Pro/Max comes out later. There's a rumored MBP re-design, so I'm guessing we'll see it then along with it having the N1 for WiFi 7.
- lapcat 1y agoApple's announcement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591873
- fnordpiglet 1y agoSad to release without refreshing the high end line on 16” MBP. I worry they nerfed the 14” MBP to ensure the M4 16” retained better specs to not make the discontinuity worse. Otherwise the 14” outperforming the more expensive 16” would be uncomfortable.
- superzamp 1y agoIsn't the screen size difference basically enough between these two? I can't see why the 16" would need more performance, some ppl just want / can carry large computers with them while some other prefer to have something as small as possible.
- anthonyskipper 1y agoI can see why that sounds sensible, but my personal obsevations are that heavy duty power users almost universally prefer the bigger screens, and those people also want the highest level settings. Most people I know who want smaller screens are not serious power users. I can see an overlap with people who want smaller computers who also want max power, but I just would not believe that is a significant group. (again, all personal observations)
- fnordpiglet 1y agoIt’s more a statement on price and the assumption the more expensive one with the “more capable” chip like the MAX would be expected to not be less performant than any in the lineup. It would be a disappointment, especially for me as I’m about to buy a 16” in November regardless, to be a generation behind while paying more, and it would be not unusual for product reasons to nerf the lower prices chip to ensure it didn’t canabalize the more expensive models sales. I have to say if I had any choice I would delay my purchase until the 16” catches up rather than buying a generation behind. If I see specs saying M5 14” is more performant for my workloads than my more expensive 16” I’m even more motivated to delay. Most product managers would be aware of these things.
- platevoltage 1y agoMore pixels? Thats the only reason I can think of. 13/14 inch is what I tend to go for since I use my laptop as a desktop 80% of the time. 16 is really too big for my needs. I also think the 15 inch MacBook Air filled the non-power-user-but-likes-big-screen niche.
- asadm 1y agowait I can’t have M5 with 64GB ram? highest is just 32GB which is ridiculous!
- Analemma_ 1y agoIt seems like only the M5 base chip is available at the moment. The M5 Pro and Max, whenever those are released, will presumably have higher limits.
- justinator 1y agoand its unified
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- bananapub 1y agothey have historically had three tiers of cpus: - normal - pro - max pro and max had way more cores and gpus and supported way more ram. today's release is the basic version of the new cpu; if you want more ram you can get the m4pro or m4max based MacBook Pros, or wait for the M5pro/max to come out.
- Keyframe 1y agoso, macbook pro m5 normal, macbook pro m5 pro, macbook pro m5 max. I see M4 still in the offer, which costs more. No wifi 7 on m5 (normal or not). 32GB these days, unified or not, in a pro machine.. I haven't paid much attention to macs over the past few years but I wonder what would Steve Jobs say about this shit.
- Aurornis 1y agoM5 Pro and M5 Max will come later with higher RAM support. This has been their staggered release strategy for a while.
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- letmetweakit 1y agoApparently, in Europe, the box will not contain a charger [1]. This is absolutely mind-blowing to me. edit: suggested retail price also dropped with EUR 100. Mind is less blown now. It seems like a good thing in fact. edit2: in Belgium, the combined price of the 70W adapter and 2m USB-C to MagSafe is EUR 120. [1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-pro-does-not-include-a-charger-in-the-box-in-europe.2469168/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-pro-does-no...
- yohannparis 1y agoI think it's awesome. I have way to many chargers, specially USB-C, 5, 10, 20, 35, 70, and 95W all over the house and office. If you need one, just shell the extra $100 that corresponds to your needs.
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- chvid 1y agoMy mbp came with a 140w charger - which I never use.
- bombcar 1y agoDropping the price was nice. They could have gotten away with a slight reduction in price, and a coupon inside to send away for a "free" charger, and then bask in the millions who couldn't be bothered to do it.
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- scosman 1y agoDon't forget the environmental impact of a smaller box. The box will probably be less than half as thick, doubling shipping efficiency. These are air freight, so the CO2 impact is not negligible. I'll take the discount and use one of my 12 existing USB-C chargers.
- ChrisArchitect 1y agoRelated: Apple M5 Chip https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591799 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591799
- daft_pink 1y agoApple’s chip release schedule is so borked. It should be High end Pro and Studio first and then iPad, Air, Mini and downgraded Pro. Why they release the iPad and Low End Pro is beyond me. Everyone buying their high end gear is buying something waiting to be refreshed now.
- xattt 1y agoIs this because they know some whales that want the +1 model are going to jump at the opportunity to buy whatever is on the market, and then buy again when higher-range models are released?
- leakycap 1y agoApple knows their sales numbers, so I imagine is that they know the base model will sell the most quantity. Having it out now means more sales at the highest MSRP before talk of the next model release. Buyers who walk into an Apple store for a base MacBook Pro will wait if they hear a new model is coming out. So if you have a buyer basing purchases on the generation number, it makes sense to launch that model as soon as possible. Pro/Max buyers generally are checking into specs and getting what they need. Hence the M2 Ultra still being for sale, for some niches that have specific requirements.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago…or they are still working on fine tuning/testing production of the world’s most technologically difficult thing to mass manufacture?
- parkersweb 1y agoAs an M1 owner seriously tempted by the hardware, seriously put off by Tahoe…
- ksturtzkopf 1y agowhy is apple releasing a MBP with the old gen of pro chips (m4 pro)?
- Aurornis 1y agoThe M5 Pro refresh will come later. M4 Pro parts are still available until then.
- bitpush 1y ago> The M5 Pro refresh will come later. Did they announce this or are you speaking for Apple?
- Aurornis 1y agoThey release the Pro and Max parts after the base part. This has been their release strategy for past generations.
- patates 1y agoDoes anyone have a guess on when they could be releasing a potential M4 Ultra Mac Studio?
- medvezhenok 1y agoI think they said M4 Ultra Studio is not going to happen, have to wait for M5 Ultra...
- Casteil 1y ago...they're not. This is a release of a 14" with the base M5, alongside the other existing M4 Pro/Max models. The Pro/Max rollout tends to lag behind by about 6 months.
- rvitorper 1y agoLooks premium, eco-responsible, powerful, just like the M4. And the M3. And the one before. Does anyone know what exactly changed this year?
- ActorNightly 1y agoThe number, which means you should upgrade.
- masklinn 1y agohttps://www.apple.com/mac/compare/?modelList=MacBook-Air-M4,MacBook-Pro-14-M4,MacBook-Pro-14-M5 https://www.apple.com/mac/compare/?modelList=MacBook-Air-M4,... - m4 -> m5, same core number and distribution, "neural accelerators", higher memory bandwidth - max storage increased from 2 to 4TB (and probably an extra kidney in price) Everything else is strictly identical. The marketing blurb claims 2~3x the performances of the M4 for AI stuff (I assume that's the neural accelerators), 20% for CPU tasks (compiling), 40~80% for GPU tasks (gaming and 3D rendering).
- silverwind 1y ago4TB was available before, maybe only coupled with a Max CPU, which seems not available yet for M5.
- masklinn 1y agoI’m comparing comparable configurations. You can get 128GB ram and 8TB storage on an m4 max, and 512GB ram and 16 TB storage on an m3 ultra. Neither is relevant to the M5.
- eitally 1y agoThis is great but it's apples to oranges until they have Pro & Max variants we can directly compare against the M4 line.
- masklinn 1y ago
- 0xfaded 1y agoTo any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything is just slightly different. I had to split all my dot files into common/Linux/Mac specific sections. Don't expect to be able to clone and build any random C++ project unless someone in the project is specifically targeting Mac. 2. Not everything is supported natively on arm64. I had an idea and wanted to spin up a project using DynamoRIO, but wasn't supported. Others have mentioned the docker quirks. 3. The window manager. I'm not a fan of all the animations and needing to gester between screens (and yes, I've been down the hotkeys rabbit hole). To install a 3rd party window manager you need to disable some security setting because appearantly they work by injecting into the display manager and calling private APIs. So my person takeaway was that I took the openness of the Linux ecosystem for granted (I've always had a local checkout of the kernel so I can grep an error message if needed). Losing that for me felt like wearing a straightjacket. Ironically I have a MBP at work, but spend my day ssh'd into a Linux box. It's a great machine for running a web browser and terminal emulator.
- achandlerwhite 1y agoWhat are the quirks with local dev that make it not fun?
- eagleinparadise 1y agoAnyone know when to expect the M5 Pros? I am on a base 16gb M1 and struggling hard in daily workloads. I am often running at 20gb of swap memory usage. I don't really use local LLMs but think 32GB RAM would be good for me... but I am so ready to upgrade but trying to figure out how much longer we need to wait.
- jsheard 1y agoThere was a 6 month gap between the M4 and M4 Pro, so maybe a while.
- leakycap 1y agoThis gap makes no sense to me. I wonder if Apple is just leaning into this cycle because it's easier to make M5s than more advanced processors, so you can sell this sooner? From a buyer's perspective, I don't like it at all.
- mholm 1y agoDifferent Chip SKUs are often a TON of work. By trying to release all of them at the same time, you'll have a chip pipeline where you need tons of work, all at the same time, all in the same stages of the process. By staggering them, you spread this work out across the year.
- masklinn 1y agoM series chips are ridiculously massive, as Apple apparently does not want to transition to chiplets, so they can’t easily compose CPU. Thus refining the process and improving yields on the smaller parts probably makes sense. As an other example the current ultra part is the M3, and it was released early 2025, after even the M4 Pro/Max, and a good 18 months after the M3 was unveiled. We might not see an M4 Ultra until 2027.
- fellowniusmonk 1y agoFirst rule of mac world is get the most memory you can afford. I got the cheapest m1 pro (the weird one they sold thats binned due to defects) with 32gb ram and everything runs awesome. Always get the most ram you can in mac world. Running a largish local LLM model is slowish but it does run. A mac out of memory is just a totally different machine than one with. probably because most of the devs building the software are on the highest ram possible and there is just so much testing and optimization they dont do.
- defraudbah 1y agoit says "up to 14 hours more than intel based mpro", which means intel was designed to last 10 hours which matches what was advertised https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/ https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple... we went from 10 hours to 24 hours in 5 years - impressive i wonder why they advertise gaming on the laptop, anyone plays anything Meaningful on macbooks?
- youniverse 1y agoI would guess they are mostly talking to game devs for now, but man in a few years if Apple can get me to throw out my windows rig that me and I imagine many others have around just for gaming I wouldn't hate that!
- leakycap 1y agoThe gaming world is so deeply ingrained with Windows technologies. Even with the GPK from Apple, I don't see the mods and patches that some Windows players enjoy.
- nrjames 1y agoI do almost all of my gaming on an M3 MacBook Air. It’s great for games. I’ll sometimes hop on Windows for titles unavailable on the Mac, but increasingly I just skip them if they aren’t on Steam for MacOS.
- leakycap 1y agoI get that it is good for some games, but when people say "gaming PCs" on Windows, they usually mean AAA titles. The stuff on endcaps at BestBuy for sale for PC and console. Those games won't run well on Macs unless you spend insane amounts on a Max or Ultra variant. The M5's GPU specs seem to put it near a high-end NVIDIA card from 2018. Impressive as all get out for a power-friendly chip, but not really what I think of when I hear "good for gaming"
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- coffeecoders 1y agoWanted to see if it's worth upgrading from the M1 Pro, but I don't see the M5 Pro in the compare dropdown. https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/compare/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/compare/
- mjamesaustin 1y agoThey've only updated the base M5. Expect the Pro and Max updates to come early next year.
- eitally 1y agoTBH, I have an M2 pro (personal) and an M4 Pro (work) and I have never been able to tell the different in day to day use. That said, the only really intensive workload I have is photography/videography batch post-processing and I haven't tested that on my work machine. I'm disappointed Apple hasn't published any benchmarks comparing M5 to various M4 (or M3) variants.
- bogantech 1y agoM1 Pro has 200GB/s memory bandwidth vs M5's 153
- WXLCKNO 1y agoPretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.
- tracker1 1y agoI got that as well.. more annoying are comparisons with the last Intel options, which sucked then. I'm still doing fine with a 16gb M1 Air, I mostly VPN+SSH to my home desktop when I need more oomph anyway. It lasts a full day, all week when you just check email on vacation once a day.
- michelb 1y agoOne of the problems is that I don’t notice a meaningful difference(that’s worth the money) between my M1 and my M4 workloads. (Dev/video). Obviously the rendering is faster but the OS isn’t. Tahoe makes my M2 feel like an intel mac. Chip, memory and storage are really fast, but I’m fully convinced that the OS is crippling these machines.
- snovymgodym 1y agoIt's unfortunate that MacOS continues to get worse as the hardware gets better.
- WOTERMEON 1y agoIs asahi usable now?
- leakycap 1y ago> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.
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- tracker1 1y agoWhat really bugs me, is the huge performance gains are against the M1 and an (5-7yo chip) Intel Mac, that from my own memory had throttling and overheating issues. While not as impressive, I'd really appreciate if they simply showed the generational gains, or actual charts against several previous generations. I'm still pretty happy with my 16gb M1 Air, but it would be nice to know some closer to real world differences.
- leakycap 1y agoYou can't expect Apple to make an argument against their own chips... you're asking them to admit that they are making ~20% a year improvements when they want buyers to think it's a multiples-of-X improvement.
- jonplackett 1y agoHow did we already get to no-one being impressed by 20% better PER YEAR already. Macs barely got faster for ages with Intel - they just got hotter and shorter on battery life. 20% per year is a doubling every 4y. That is awesome.
- leakycap 1y ago> How did we already get to no-one being impressed by 20% better PER YEAR already. When has 20% been impressive? When Intel to M1 happened, the jump was huge ... not 20%. I can't think of anything with a 20% jump that made waves, even outside of tech. When I used to do user benchmarking, 20% was often the first data point where users would be able to notice something was faster. 4 minutes vs 5 minutes. That's great! Kind of expected that we'll make SOME progress, so what is the low bar... 10%? Then we should be impressed with 20? People aren't upgrading from M1, M2, M3 in numbers... so I don't think it's just me that isn't wow'd.
- bigyabai 1y ago> Macs barely got faster for ages with Intel Intel chips were getting faster. It's well documented (and glaringly obvious in the i9 16") that Apple just didn't want to accommodate the full TDP. They tweaked their ACPI tables to run the chips until they hit the junction temp so they were both constantly hot and constantly throttling. Apple tweaked all of their Intel chips in this way, which was a software solution to the Apple-designed hardware simply being unable to cope with the thermal stress. We know this because the Intel Macbook Pro chassis was only ever used to run Apple Silicon chips that were passively cooled, not Pro/Max variants. The old MBP chassis designs are so awful that Apple doesn't consider them viable for cooling ARM CPUs. I blame Ive, not Intel.
- jasonthorsness 1y agoI've been a Windows fan forever, but the new Mac hardware is making it hard to remain and it's about time for a new laptop... can't get a good Windows installed on these chips like you could on the Intel-based ones, only virtualized.
- rogerrogerr 1y agoVirtualized Windows on M chips is quicker than non-virtualized Windows on your average corporate laptop in my experience.
- leakycap 1y agoARM Windows still has so many pain points, depending on your niche.
- jasonthorsness 1y agoWow maybe it's worth a try
- jiriro 1y agoIf I buy in the US and use it in the EU – will the Apple Intelligence work? I would be happy to sacrifice the EU keyboard and have the AI instead :-)
- ComputerGuru 1y agoUnless they’re now doing iPhone-level parts locking, getting the right keyboard would be an eBay purchase away.
- neop1x 1y agoOf course they are doing that. The fingerprint sensor is paired IIRC.
- AlexeyBrin 1y agoAt least for now, seems to be available only for the 14" MacBook Pro. I want a 16" M5 MacBook Pro so I will wait ...
- gregoriol 1y agoOnly the cheapest MacBook get M5, the rest stay with M4 Pro and M4 Max? what's going on with that lineup?
- ksec 1y agoNo WiFi 7 and WiFi 6E only is annoying. Especially for what they are charging. And Bluetooth 5.3, Their Pro Mac are slower than their iPhone Pro. SSD has double the speed. I guess they say this only for M5 MacBook Pro, because the previous M4 has always had slower SSD speed than M4 Pro at 3.5GB/s. So now the M5 should be at 7GB/s. I assume no update on SDXC UHS-III.
- rfw300 1y agoWhat use case do you have (or anticipate having) for WiFi 7 out of curiosity?
- pzmarzly 1y agoWith NVMe NASes and 5Gbit, 8Gbit and 8Gbit FTTH available for reasonable price in many places, it's easy to saturate any WiFi connection by just downloading stuff (games, AI models, etc), backing up files, or accessing your files on NAS (and editing videos straight off NAS is recently trendy).
- kalleboo 1y agoJust things like waiting on the download for an Xcode update before I can get to work would be a lot more tolerable on 1.4 Gbps than the like 600 Mbps on the WiFi 5. Or worrying if this video is buffering because a backup started in the background. But I gave up on waiting and just got Ethernet put in in the places where I'm likely to sit with my laptop - now I plug in to charge and automatically get 2.5 Gbps Ethernet at the same time using a USB-C dock and a long USB 3 cable.
- Casteil 1y agoThe non-pro/max chipped MBPs have always been a little 'lower spec' in several regards. There used to be a little more separation though, with the non-pro chips available only in the Air & 13" MBP, but back then people complained about Apple having 'too many models'... I suspect the M5 Pro/Max chipped MBPs will bring some of these improvements you're looking for.
- kondro 1y agoJust give me cellular in a MacBook Air already Apple if you want me to insta-buy! Bonus points for OLED. Air’s don’t have to be just cheap. I want a thin and light premium laptop for walking around and a second Mac (of any type) for my desk.
- leakycap 1y agoI'm guessing carriers/networks can't handle a fleet of MacBooks-with-cellular yet. The data workload would be sustained and intense with macOS not having the type of system-level cellular framework/data control as iPad and iOS (I have used the low data mode on macOS, it helps but only handles a small part of the problem). I have bought cracked-screen iPhones since Personal Hotspot allowed wired connections back in the 2000s, velcro'd them to the back of my MacBook screen and have been living the "I have internet on my Mac everywhere" life since then. With 5G, I can't really tell when I'm on Wi-Fi vs. when my MacBook opts for the hotspot connection. I'd love a cellular MacBook and would also insta-buy, but I've given up hope until the next network upgrade.
- paradox460 1y agoOsx has, for a little while now, had a "metered" flag for networks. Not sure which apps, if any, respect it, but it's there
- leakycap 1y ago> (I have used the low data mode on macOS, it helps but only handles a small part of the problem) Yes, I mentioned that in the post you responded to. > Not sure which apps, if any, respect it, but it's there It reduces data consumption for me about 1/5. Not nothing, but the Mac can easily consume hundreds of GB of data a week doing "normal" activities. YouTube on a MacBook is many times more data than the equivalent on a phone screen.
- kondro 1y agoThat doesn’t make much sense to me, there are literally billions of phones that people are using all the time. Apple has over 2.3 billion active devices of which a small percentage are Macs (an estimated 24 million were sold in 2024 and around twice that in iPads). The most difficult to scale part of a cell network is number of devices connected, not bandwidth used anyway and cellular Macs aren’t going to add significantly more load to a network. And that assumes that Apple even cares what a carrier thinks. I’m in Australia, not the USA, and for all people like to complain about internet here, we have excellent mobile coverage and it’s relatively affordable, but it’s all priced by usage. I have 4 devices on my plan with shared 210GB of 4G usage between them for around AUD$200 (USD$130) a month on Australia’s best network (Telstra). I work remotely from cafes a lot (probably around 20-30 hours a week) as a developer and get nowhere close to that usage. I update all my apps, download all my podcasts, listen to lossless music and stream video whenever I want during breaks (although I’m not a huge out-of-home video consumer). I do literally nothing to limit my bandwidth usage and am lucky to use 30-40GB a month across all my devices.
- jrochkind1 1y agoAm I remembering right that the previous 14" MacBook Pro started at $1399 (and seems to be no longer available?), so this is a $200 price increase? (I had just been looking at macs a few weeks ago, and had noticed how close in price macbook pro and macbook air were for same specs -- was thinking, really no reason not to get pro even if all I really want it for is the built-in HDMI. They are now more price differentiated, if I am remembering right).
- throwaway894345 1y agoThat would be about a 15% increase, which is probably in the ballpark to be explained by tariffs (either existing or anticipatory)?
- subarctic 1y agoAre there any markets where they are 15% cheaper due to not having the US's tarriffs?
- throwaway894345 1y agoGood question, although I don't think they would price them differently because the Trump administration has openly signaled hostility toward private companies who would transparently pass on tariff costs and Apple has openly signaled subservience to the Trump administration.
- coolspot 1y agoApple is exempt from US-China tariffs. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/12/nx-s1-5363025/apple-iphone-tariff-exemption-china https://www.npr.org/2025/04/12/nx-s1-5363025/apple-iphone-ta...
- jrochkind1 1y agowait what. i had no idea. These tarrifs are a shitshow.
- brailsafe 1y agoProbably great, but when the hell are they going to do another damn colour. Hoping by the time I upgrade from the M4 Pro they'll have a green version and a cell modem.
- Casteil 1y agoI wish they'd bring Space Gray back. Not a huge fan of Silver, and the 'Space Black' apparently tends to show smudges more.
- brailsafe 1y agoMeh, I have a Space Black 16" atm, it looks more grey than anything and the smudges are negligible at best. I'm just bored of the lack of variety. The Air is I guess supposed to be the quirky fun computer and the rest are just for "serious" professionals that can only see in grey and silver.
- kristianp 1y agoMaybe the rumored low-end mac with an A-series CPU will have some brighter colors.
- sevenseacat 1y agoif they bring out a purple MacBook Pro I will so upgrade I don't care the cost
- brailsafe 1y agoA lavender mac would be sick
- PeterCorless 1y agoSomeone I know saw the 14" starts from $1,599 and the 16" starts at $2,499, and quipped "The most expensive 2 inches ever." However, it is not just because of the larger display. M5 14" starts at: 10-Core CPU 10-Core GPU 16GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage M5 16" starts at: 14-Core CPU 20-Core GPU 24GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage So it's the cost of 4x more core CPU, 10x (double) the core GPU, and +8GB memory.
- DASD 1y agoThe 16" doesn't offer the M5(yet), rather the M4 Pro and Max CPUs. Difference also is higher number of performance cores vs efficiency cores and memory bandwidth is significantly higher in the M4 lines(273 and 410 GB/s) versus the M5(153 GB/s).
- PeterCorless 1y agoYou're absolutely right and my bad. (I feel like Claude saying that.) Apparently the M4 Pro and M5 Max are coming in February. https://www.macworld.com/article/2942089/macbook-pro-m5-pro-max-release-specs-price.html https://www.macworld.com/article/2942089/macbook-pro-m5-pro-...
- ElijahLynn 1y agoWhere did you get these specs from? The page linked in the OP says the 16 in is only available in M4.
- PeterCorless 1y agoYeah, it was my boof. I am presuming that when M5 Pro and M5 Max ship in February there will some sort of similar upshift. https://www.macworld.com/article/2942089/macbook-pro-m5-pro-max-release-specs-price.html https://www.macworld.com/article/2942089/macbook-pro-m5-pro-...
- cousin_it 1y agoI read the title as "MS MacBook Pro" and prepared for a surprise.
- smallstepforman 1y agoDoes it have full sized cursor keys? PgUp/PdDown/HomeEnd keys? If not, its a fashion accessory, its definately not a PROductivity machine used by PROffessionals.
- Aperocky 1y agoI find it annoying that now I want 2 macbooks, one tuned for local LLMs and the other tuned for light and big screen (Air 15). I never really used the local LLMs since I can always go to claude but that's always on my irrational brain to spend irresponsibly for that.
- surfingdino 1y agoI wish they published CPU and graphic performance comparisons vs M1. Apart from coding I do a lot of large photo (100MP) and video (4K+) file processing and I am interested in core graphics performance. Talking centipedes or flying trains are not my thing so their AI benchmarks are useless to me.
- NoPicklez 1y agoI'm looking to upgrade from the 2013 Macbook Pro to the Macbook Air, I noticed that the pixels per inch are lower in the latest Macbook Air, but I assume that the display is overall better? Also, I read that the keyboard is slightly different between the Air and the Pro, I'm not a big fan of that chicklet design they released
- asdff 1y agoIf you use the macbook outside don't bother with the air. the current mbp has a brighter screen and imo it is only barely bright enough to be usable outside on max brightness. Not as bad as the 2012 era screens but nowhere close to your cellphone.
- dwd 1y agoCurrently have a 14" M2 Pro and a 13" M4 Air in front of me. The Pro keyboard is loud and clicky and I much prefer the softer feel of the Air's. Its also half the weight and the battery seems to last twice as long. Screen is 3024x1964 @254 pixel density for the Pro. The Air says it is 2560x1664 @224 but interestingly if I do a full screenshot the resultant image is 2940x1912(?). The Air screen seems brighter, but who goes outside in the sun these days for any more than 10 minutes?
- stefanfisk 1y agoWhat’s the scale factor on the Air? IIRC macOS renders at 2X even when doing fractional scaling.
- dwd 1y agoIn the default mode, the Mac draws on a canvas with 2940x1912px and downscales to fit the 2560x1660px screen. That seems to be a very inexact 1.7415x, but there's nothing stopping you running at 2560x1660px.
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- peterbecich 1y agoClever to have the folded laptop make the Roman numeral "V"