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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
- ml-anon 1y agoThis has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.
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- A_D_E_P_T 1y agoIt's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!
- cess11 1y agoNo, it's been the norm for Israel since its inception. To mention just a couple of examples, ben-Gurion was a founder of Haganah, of which Rabin, infamous for his "break-their-bones" policy, was a member. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break-their-bones_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break-their-bones_policy
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- tptacek 1y agoNo, this was a misquote, but it sounds juicy so it will never stop being passed around on the Internet. Netanyahu cited a completely different verse of the Torah, which was then mischaracterized.
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- slt2021 1y agothere is plenty of Israeli officials like smotrich bengvir and other invoking Amalek doctrine. Also Israel officialy had "mowing the lawn" doctrine that is literal genocide https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2506162 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2...
- tptacek 1y agoI'm really not so much interested in litigating the broader conflict; just, this is a factoid that gets brought into these threads, and it's worth knowing the quote people are referring to was mischaracterized.
- slt2021 1y agoif we are interested in truth and justice, there is a mountain of evidence of genocide at ICC/ICJ awaiting the trial, so we should let the judicial process run its way, just like with Nuremberg trials
- tptacek 1y agoWhether or not this is true, it has nothing to do with the comment I left.
- FireBeyond 1y ago“There are many other quotes either similar meaning and intent, but you got the intent of this one quote wrong” is not… something I’d feel the need to point out to people. “Technically correct, the worst kind of correct”.
- ml-anon 1y agoI guess if they are viewed as an occupying force, it’s much less unprecedented. In fact it’s exactly how you’d expect an occupation to act.
- tedivm 1y agoThis isn't an occupation, it's an ethnic cleansing.
- echelon_musk 1y agoDeuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people based on their merits. Deuteronomy seems to imply Israel were just the least bad people. Israel seems wicked to me now.
- wds 1y agoKeep in mind this was written by man. People are being murdered thousands of years later because of the ancient Judea equivalent of 'Harry Potter', and the batshit insane people who still believe it in earnest.
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- fractallyte 1y agoWell, it's more complex than that... Definitely, the government of Serbia supported (or at the very least, ignored) Serb paramilitaries, which were infamous for carrying out "ethnic cleansing". On the Croatian side, right-wing paramilitaries were quicker to organize national defense, and were far more effective, than government forces. This led to a rather uncomfortable situation for the government, which was resolved by assassinating the paramilitary leaders (note: I have no citation for this, it's just a strong suspicion), and absorbing their soldiers into the official armed forces. Bosnia's muslim population had a confused notion of nationalism, which was fully taken advantage of by the Serbs, and to some extent the Croats, to further their ambitions. I believe that is a more accurate summary of the situation in 1990s Balkans.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoThere is a lot of precedent for one tribe eliminating another tribe to gain land. The only way a conflict over land ends is if one side wins.
- mc32 1y agoThe problem is that until a few hundred years ago, you could stand your ground and either win or lose (happened a lot) or you sought uninhabited land elsewhere )or a weaker party to kick out) That also happened a lot. Back then borders were defined by what you could actively defend, though treaties also existed. These days though, there is no unclaimed land or unpopulated place to move in to. Practically speaking anyway. No one would want to move into the Yucatan jungles or Boreal Siberia even if the host countries invited them in to settle land.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago> The problem is that until a few hundred years ago, you could stand your ground and either win or lose (happened a lot) or you sought uninhabited land elsewhere )or a weaker party to kick out) That also happened a lot. Back then borders were defined by what you could actively defend, though treaties also existed. That is the same situation that exists today. Might makes right is the only rule of nature. Treaties are just hopes that someone will help with defending your borders. See Russia expanding its borders into what was previously recognized as Ukraine.
- mc32 1y agoRight. But before you could “run away” if you were willing to. Today you don’t have places to run to without running into other people willing to defend their places. In the past you had lots and lots of peoples who just got erased as modern concepts of fairness and justice didn’t work the same way. See the warring states period.
- lotsofpulp 1y agoMaybe. I don’t know that there was a place to run to a few hundred years ago. That was when Native Americans were pushed out (in North and South), Aborigines in Australia, etc.
- reverendsteveii 1y agowe're precedenting it in the united states. our government is deeply ideologically aligned with the people committing the vast majority of domestic terrorism in this country.
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- GuinansEyebrows 1y agoThe Family by Jeff Sharlet is great for a look at the actual working process of the political Evangelical movement. i'll have to take a look at Hedges' book, thanks for recommending!
- sc68cal 1y agoChris Hedges is _always_ an excellent source. Wish more journalists were like him
- burnt-resistor 1y agoThere are a few. Chris Owens just interviewed Jeremy Corbyn and it was really revealing. Jordan Chariton/Status Coup gets out to communities after the mainstream media leaves and misses the aftermath. Democracy Now! has been following the atrocities in Gaza nearly every day with personal accounts from people on the ground. Medhi Hasan, Sam Seder, Robert Reich, David Pakman, Meidastouch, Malcolm Nance, and Thom Hartmann to name a few. Another one particular to Israel is The Salukie who is a half Arab Israeli Jew who goes undercover to West Bank refugee camps to show what's really going on and how everyday people are treated on all sides.
- pc86 1y agoThe vast majority of the government are full-time employees without any express political allegiance aside from whatever they happen to personally believe. I doubt they are "deeply ideologically aligned with...domestic terrorism" and most of them would probably physically assault you for suggesting they agreed with domestic terrorists in person.
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- cess11 1y agoThe perpetrator, Yinon Levy, has sanctions put on him by a few countries. The current regime in the White House lifted the US sanction a while ago. Arguably it's worse than what is usually meant by terrorism, i.e. civilians or paramilitaries attacking a state by actions against civilians, since it's a state exterminating stateless civilians.
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- actionfromafar 1y agoJust because there is an enabler, doesn't absolve the bystanders.
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- saubeidl 1y agoIt's two violent ethnoreligious fascist movements with dreams of cleansing the land - that they both think was promised to them by God! - of the unbelievers. Only one of them enjoys the support of the West and it's coincidentally the one that is currently succeeding at realizing their vision.
- pif 1y agoIt would have succeeded decades ago if the West hadn't put so much pressure on them to just swallow it.
- myrmidon 1y agoYou a re being very reductive in order to make your point, but thats fair enough, I don't entirely disagree. But I would like to point out that the situation is significantly less symmetrical than the picture you paint: Yes, lots of Israelis treat the other side as second class citizens (apartheid analogies make a valid point). BUT if you flipped the power distribution, and gave the Palestinian side a fully functional modern army, then we would no longer need to be arguing about the semantics of "genocide", because practically every single jew in the region would be killed within weeks. There is significant restraint on the Israeli side that they deserve quite some credit for, in my opinion. I believe it is very important (and right!) to keep the ruling side (Israelis) "honest", and to speak out in favor of the "underdogs", but the "both sides" argument feels dishonest and misplaced here to me, and IMO "the West" fully supporting the Palestinian side would have been genocidal from the start, and escalated into an unmitigated disaster basically immediately (my position is that the current situation is still a barely "mitigated disaster", and de-escalation instead of October 7and its lead-up would have been an actual possibility with some effort from all sides).
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- superzamp 1y agoWell, France just took a stance and officially qualified this as terrorism [1] for the first time. [1] https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/dossiers-pays/israel-territoires-palestiniens/actualites-et-evenements/2025/article/israel-territoires-palestiniens-meurtre-d-odeh-hathalin-en-cisjordanie-29-07-25 https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/dossiers-pays/israel-terri...
- sillystuff 1y agoIsraeli jewish settlers murdered, on average, one Palestinian civilian per day in the west bank, for the entire year leading up to oct 11. The attacks on Palestinian civilians in the west bank have only accelerated, since then. Israel is a terrorist organization, not a state.
- gljiva 1y agoDo you perhaps have sources of those claims at hand?
- snypher 1y agohttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-1000-palestinians-in-the-west-bank-since-october-7-2023 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-10...
- tguvot 1y agoif you will read the article, you will see that it talks about IDF and settlers. PA in fact called in IDF to suppress hamas and pij in areas that PA tried to clear out but failed. Articles like this on purpose blur lines of what happening and meant to generate outrage. Once I traced back article that talked about 48 (or something) palestinians killed by settlers by going through listed sources in the article. when I got to original article (twice removed), I discovered that it talked about 47 killed by IDF and 1 killed in clashes between settlers and palestinians
- istjohn 1y agoThe PA is a puppet government of Israel. The last elections for PA leadership were in 2006. I don't think the distinction between settlers and the IDF is as salient to most outside observers as you think it is.
- tguvot 1y agoso, when israel on pa requests going to mop up hamas, because otherwise it about to be overthrown, and IDF kills 999 hamas/pij/lions of whatever members, it's essentially "settler violence". do i get it right ? and about "puppet". the very funny part is that people that demand for PA to have controls over west bank/gaza as sovereign, don't realize that it physically unable to do so without Israeli support. And Israeli support makes local population regards PA as Israeli puppet. The was major reason for Israel refusing to get into 2007 gaza purge of PA
- Adverblessly 1y agoIf you want to see someone refer to acts of the Hilltop Youth as Jewish Terrorism and condemn it, you need only switch to channel 12 (Israeli channel, that is).
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- adhamsalama 1y agoDefending? You mean colonizing. And Israel literally did terrorist attacks on Jews in Arab countries to make them flee to the newly occupied land.
- nahumfarchi 1y agoSources?
- cess11 1y agoThe Baghdad bombings are well known. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bomb... Nowadays I think the Lavon affair is less known, but it happened a couple of years before the emigration of jews from Egypt peaked in 1956. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair The zionist movement more or less invented modern terrorism and the state of Israel has always been a fervent sponsor of terrorism in Palestine and abroad. It has also consistently been a supporter of criminal, particularly genocidal, states, like apartheid South Africa, the tyranny in El Salvador and Guatemala, the timorese genocide, and so on.
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- defrost 1y agoThe film could not find a U.S. distributor after being picked up for distribution in 24 countries and winning the Oscar, a situation that has been compared to soft censorship. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Other_Land https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Other_Land
- transcriptase 1y agoImpressive that it managed to win an Oscar all things considered.
- viccis 1y agoMost likely cause is the Academy voters not watching the movies they vote for
- hermitcrab 1y agoI am guessing that no-one ever gets convicted for this murder. One small part of state condoned ethnic cleansing (if we are being generous) / genocide (if we are being less generous).
- _shadi 1y ago> I am guessing that no-one ever gets convicted for this murder. He was arrested by Israeli police for questioning, but was later released on house arrest while an investigation continued. About a dozen Israeli soldiers raided the mourning tent, pushing those attending out while keeping a thumb on the pin of a stun grenade. Soldiers declared the area a closed military zone and said only residents of the village could be present. They arrested two activists and threw stun grenades at journalists who were too slow to leave. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/palestinian-awdah-hathaleen-oscar-winning-no-other-land-killed-in-west-bank https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/palestinian-aw...
- jajko 1y agoWas there ever a single serious arrest and conviction of anybody on Israel side in past 2 decades, be it civilians or IDF? Serious question, it doesn't seems so in similar attacks (and they are not that rare and will probably escalate)
- ivann 1y agoA few, for example Meir Ettinger, an hilltop youth leader has served some time in jail. The idea for Israel was to have its national criminal jurisdictions prosecute just enough to not be seen as failing by the ICC and meet its 'complementarity' criterion [0]. Even spying on ICC staff to see who it was investigating. At least that's how it used to be, now they just threaten the ICC. [0]: https://www.pgaction.org/ilhr/rome-statute/complementarity.html https://www.pgaction.org/ilhr/rome-statute/complementarity.h...
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- AnimalMuppet 1y agoEven if "genocide" is an overstatement, that doesn't make it right. That doesn't make individual actions less than murder. That doesn't make the overall policy less than oppression that is killing many people. This isn't a total either-or. It can be "not genocide" and still be wrong. Now, if you want to make the argument that Hamas has put Israel in the position that they have to totally destroy Hamas, and Hamas has entwined itself among the civilian infrastructure to the point that massive civilian casualties are the only possible outcome, that might be a defensible argument. "Not actually a genocide", while technically correct, isn't going fly very well.
- A_D_E_P_T 1y ago> Genocide is the intentional targeting of civilians. You have no proof of that. Look at satellite images of Gaza. Consider how people there actually live, in temporary tent cities with little access to food, clean water, and medical treatment. Consider also the extent of "accidental" civilian casualties -- with more deaths among Gazan women and children than among Hamas fighters. Then consider that these unarmed civilians are essentially stateless and should, by rights, be under Israel's protection. How do you see them living in five years? Almost nothing is left standing in Gaza. It's not (yet) an out-and-out war of extermination, but it is, emphatically, already a profound moral and humanitarian catastrophe -- and a stain upon the soul of the Western nations who are standing by to watch it unfold.
- luckylion 1y ago> How do you see them living in five years? Almost nothing is left standing in Gaza. Depends mostly on how they react, I think. How would Germany have looked in 1950 if it hadn't surrendered but instead transitioned into a partisan war against occupying Allied forces? Anyone who is militarily defeated and wants peace must eventually surrender and stop trying to wage war. Germany managed to do that in Europe and make peace, and not immediately try to rearm to try again like they did after WW1. That's not a statement on what's happening in Gaza today, but on what happens in Gaza in 5 years. Had the Arab nations accepted their defeat 70 years ago, we'd be looking at a very different history.
- metalman 1y agoOdeh Mohammad Khalil al-Hathalin, 31, was murdered by Yinon Levi, durring the same attack, an excavator brought to destroy homes was used to strike other unarmed palisinians. There is video that also documents the murderer ,Yinon Levi, directing soldiers to arrest his victims family, which they did.
- immibis 1y agoDavid Ben Avraham, a 63-year-old Israeli Jew, was asked his name, then immediately shot dead for being of Palestinian ethnicity and having a Jewish name, because he was a Jew.
- BenGosub 1y agoCold blooded murder on video and it is still not enough for our countries to take action.
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- piva00 1y agoNot only our countries but the state of Israel itself, it's ongoing for decades, it has only further eroded Israel's security (who could've guessed that allowing your citizens to displace, and/or kill, people who already lived there would have consequences?). The documentary "Checkpoint" is more than 20 years old by now, the treatment of West Bank's Palestinians has been fucked up for even longer than that, and Netanyahu's government only made it worse. I wish to see in my lifetime Israel having to reckon with the fact they've become the monster, justifying their actions after the immense suffering their ancestors went through during the Holocaust is impossible... Edit: according to Yuval Abraham[0], the killer instructed soldiers to arrest the other 4 family members of Awdah Hathaleen which are still in jail, while the murderer was released under house arrest, fucking insane. [0] https://x.com/yuval_abraham/status/1950190191584419923 https://x.com/yuval_abraham/status/1950190191584419923
- piva00 1y agoSince I'm past the window to edit my comment, here's another example of the abhorrent behaviour from Israeli forces[0] which has been all too common for decades, not very different from Amon Göth, and just check the article's date (2018). [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-show-cheers-israeli-sniper-shoots-palestinian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-...
- lifestyleguru 1y agoIsrael is the textbook example of proverbs "you become what you're fighting with" and "if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you".
- jojobas 1y agoIf they were 10% as bad as their opposition Gaza would have been Arab-free for decades now.
- lifestyleguru 1y agoI'm afraid "we're still not as bad as them" is part of that thinking.
- southernplaces7 1y agoNot sure why you were downvoted. Though it's a disgustingly poor excuse to say "at least we're not as bad as the Nazis" in justifying your own country's crimes against humanity, it also gives a bit of perspective when people do actually compare the modern Israeli state's violence with the savagery of the political system that provoked its formation.
- Workaccount2 1y agoLots of people clutching their pitchforks over the great rivalry of Israel and Palestine that began in October 2023.
- southernplaces7 1y agoBoy did this get downvoted. Truly folks, if any of you really believe the modern Israeli state to be in any way comparable to Nazi Germany, I suggest you go read a fucking history book or two in detail. I'm not defending Israel here either. The Netenyahoo (and he is a murderous, corrupt yahoo indeed) government has long since crossed the lines of defensibility, even for someone who has generally been a strong proponent of Israel's right to national defense, and an opponent of giving the Palestinian political organizations way too many moral free passes.
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- wafflemaker 1y agoLast night I went to bed late and my wife had trouble sleeping. She said that she is afraid of the world where a state can decide that they will plannedly un-live whole other nation and nobody is willing to do anything about that. We're both from the country where most of the planned un-living of the First Holocaust were performed. We recently discussed how in a street poll, half of Polish population couldn't solve a simple math task, a simple language task and one more simple task, placing Poland in the second last position from all the countries taking place. (For comparison, in Norway and Holland only 9%). And how it was likely a consequence of genetic holocaust performed on Poles by both German and Russian nazis during the 2WW. That systematic destruction of elites can behead a country for years to come. I tried to calm her down, show her that it's just her Instagram bubble that makes her think so. That such things like planned un-living don't happen anymore in the civilized world where we are living, that last time something like that was about to happen, there was a UN action in the Balkans. Or that through the common effort we've managed to halt Russia's advance when they once again attempted to conquer Europe. But now in the morning the next day I have my own doubts. That people have to use special language to talk about the Holy Land situation to avoid censorship on Youtube or other websites. That this thread got pulled down 30 minutes after posting (even though I was positively surprised when it was reinstated another 30 min later). That just like during the First Holocaust, even though the nations of civilized world are being informed about what's happening, people are ignoring the subject and not beliving that it actually happen.
- vagippona 1y agoOut of curiosity, are you referring to this "action" in the Balkans, where the UN soldiers basically stood up watching and doing absolutely nothing while 8k civilians where executed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre
- laurent_du 1y agoNothing in the message you are answering suggests this is what they are talking about.
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- cess11 1y agoIsraeli "tech" with ties to or background in the occupation is rather common, but ought to be boycotted. https://xcancel.com/NateB_Panic/status/1950180398463418609#m https://xcancel.com/NateB_Panic/status/1950180398463418609#m
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago> Israel is de facto the most horrible state humanity has produced Dude. I get that you think that Israel does horrible things, but man, learn some history. You ruin your credibility when you overstate your case that blatantly.
- Quitschquat 1y agoAll the x.com links to the videos are broken for me
- echelon_musk 1y agohttps://x.com/yuval_abraham/status/1949865010437505343 https://x.com/yuval_abraham/status/1949865010437505343 https://x.com/basel_adra/status/1950202311168385309 https://x.com/basel_adra/status/1950202311168385309
- dijit 1y agoThat's really sad. The Isreali man really should not have been there, but I have to recognise a couple of things. 1) I don't know what anyone is saying except, ironically, plea's of someone near the camera man asking the Israeli man to "Shoot me". 2) I do not know what lead up to this confrontation 3) I have been in a circumstance before where a large group of people are acting frantic and in a threatening way and it's genuinely terrifying, so much so that you will act irrationally - this might be something others on this platform might not be familiar with. The circumstance could have been avoided by Israel not having any settlers in the west bank, for sure, and it's a tragic situation. However, I'm sitting here, in Sweden, behind a computer on a site about entrepreneurialism and technology. I can't possibly say anything on the subject that's meaningful, none of us can. Why is it here?
- echelon_musk 1y agoFrom watching the video it doesn't appear although anyone other than the settler was armed.
- dijit 1y agoBeing armed is not a requisite. If anything being armed in that situation is incredibly stupid, because you'll still panic and now you're acting irrationally with a deadly weapon. The weapon can be used (as this example) or taken off you. I speak from experience, I got mobbed upon by a local gang, thought it would be smart to arm myself with a prop sword in order to stop them advancing. It didn't stop them, and in fact the sword was taken off me (because it was a prop, and I wouldn't have used it even if it wasn't to be honest) - and they proceeded to smash it over my head sending me to hospital. All of this is only obvious with a clear head, and in hindsight. Being in that situation as a human being is just.. awful. I don't recommend it. EDIT: I'm getting flagged a lot from emotional people; I think this is part of why I really dislike this topic, we know nothing except how we feel and refuse to look at things objectively - and we're not even qualified to do that anyway. So everything becomes pornography to confirm our biases and to drown out anyone who doesn't immediately call for the end of Israel.
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- OutOfHere 1y agoThe game theory, as per recent events, is as follows: 1. Hamas doesn't accept a two-state solution. 2. Israel is therefore forced into implementing a one-state solution.
- ImPostingOnHN 1y agoIt looks like israel is the one rejecting 2-state solutions* * - 2-state means 2 co-equal states, with equal people, and equal rights (including the equal right to be safe from the other)
- hn_go_brrrrr 1y agoNeither Hamas nor Israel's current right-wing government wants the kind of solution you're proposing.
- HDThoreaun 1y agoHamas has quite literally never been open to anything like this. Israel no longer is, but they definitely were before the second intafada.
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- peterfirefly 1y ago> but they definitely were before the second intafada. No. But some of the important people in Israel were smart enough to pretend they were.
- HDThoreaun 1y agoThe palestinains shouldve called their bluff instead of refusing every deal offered then.
- chimineycricket 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter Hamas is willing to accept the 1967 borders as Palestine.
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- hersko 1y ago"Everyone i disagree with is a bot"
- alkyon 1y agoIn ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.
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- wds 1y agoAssuming the entirety of history began on October 7th, 2023, this is true.
- hersko 1y agoGo back further and it is more of the same. They fight and lose. Rinse and repeat.
- wds 1y agoYes, I am aware of the Nakba, and how Palestinians fight to keep their land and lose.
- anonfordays 1y agoHas there ever been another group of people that have lost so many existential wars in a row but still demand they keep their land?
- neonnoodle 1y agothe First Nations of North America
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- nashashmi 1y agoFor the record, A previous story of this got flagged into oblivion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44721604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44721604
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- nashashmi 1y agoTV Hollywood related stuff frequently appear here. And political murders appear here too. Links like this get posted on HN. Example is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33083064 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33083064 700 points. and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15267628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15267628 10 points.
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- burnt-resistor 1y agoAlso involved with NOL and also killed by a settler: Odeh Muhammad Hadalin https://www.democracynow.org/2025/7/29/headlines/palestinian_activist_and_teacher_odeh_muhammed_hadalin_killed_by_israeli_settler_in_masafer_yatta https://www.democracynow.org/2025/7/29/headlines/palestinian...
- starkparker 1y agoIt's the same person, different Romanization of the name. https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/middle-east/palestine-odeh-muhammad-hadalin-israeli-settlers-west-bank-b2797821.html https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/middle-east/pales... > Odeh Muhammad Hadalin’s name was sometimes spelt as Awdah Muhammad Hathaleen.
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- dang 1y agoIf you keep creating accounts to break HN's rules, we will ban your main account as well.
- forinti 1y agoOnce Gaza and the West Bank are taken care of, will Lebanon, Jordan, or Syria be next? Israel very much depends on being the dominant power in the region. If they lose US support, things could get ugly indeed. And they are losing support rapidly now.
- lifestyleguru 1y agoIf US looks away for even half a year the whole region will turn into one massive sand storm.
- enahs-sf 1y agoI think if Israel went the lebensraum route, it would be WW3 for real.
- krapp 1y agoNah, the world would let it happen. Or more accurately, the world would let the US let it happen. And the US would probably fund it. And the world would feel so, so sorry as they paved over the mass graves and built AI data centers and luxury hotels in what used to be Gaza.
- buyucu 1y agoIsrael has been on that route for decades now.
- diggan 1y agoWhat are they currently doing then? They're already supporting the "settlers" so territorial expansion is already in progress. They haven't expanded beyond that right now, but judging by their current actions, it seems to me they're already on that route, and only small parts of the world is currently trying to stop them.
- morkalork 1y agoHave they not taken a bite of Syria - sorry, "established a buffer zone" - recently?
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- notyouraibot 1y agoBunch of racist Israeli hooligans that were thrown into the Amsterdam Canals got more outrage from the international media and diplomats than a livestreamed cold blooded murder by a terrorist. This is everything you need to know about the world we live in. Palestinian lives simply do not matter.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> Palestinian lives simply do not matter Lives in Palestine get far more attention than Burma, West Africa, Ethiopia and Sudan [1]. The basic truth is lives far removed from us tend to be forgettable. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...
- throwforfeds 1y agoWhile we should absolutely be covering on-going civil wars and genocides across the world -- I personally listen to French news sources in order to understand what's going on across Africa -- the fact is that the US has provided Israel with over $300 billion since it's founding. For Sudan, that number is somewhere around $5 billion. So many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide This is fair. Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not.
- slt2021 1y ago>Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not. False. USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them
- n1b0m 1y agoIsraeli public figures call for ‘crippling sanctions’ on Israel over Gaza starvation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/letter-sanctions-israel-gaza-starvation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/letter-sanctio...
- wafflemaker 1y agoIt's important to note that a big part of Israeli society opposes the JahuNatan government, the illegal settlers and war crimes in Gaza. Even after the Hamas attack on Kibbutzim near Gaza in '23. Quite important not to become part of the problem when you discuss this case. And the problem is that such a heated subject is prone to make people ideologically possessed and tribal. To a point where they become emotionally blinded and are unable to listen to people that don't share/fully support their beliefs.
- sc68cal 1y agoThey may oppose the current arrangement of the government but they don't disagree with the occupation and ethnic cleansing. > Eurasia Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-expel-palestinians-gaza-genocide/ https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...
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- viccis 1y agoCan't be "live-and-let-live" if the "live" part isn't happening.
- bjourne 1y agoPCPSR regularly polls Palestinians about various subjects: https://pcpsr.org/en https://pcpsr.org/en From memory, around 15% supported one state for historical Palestine from which Jewish settlers would have to leave. Maybe polls about "killing all Jews" are conducted in your country, in other parts of the world they generally aren't...
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- swat535 1y agoCan someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it's hard to figure out what is going on as an outsider. Either way, I hope that this situation gets resolved. I don't think that it's good for anyone and is costing a lot of money and lives.
- mitchbob 1y agoThis might help: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/adam-shatz/the-world-since-7-october https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/adam-shatz/the-world... https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-181407/https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/adam-shatz/the-world-since-7-october https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-181407/https://www.lrb.co.uk/t...
- ang_cire 1y agoDamn, that was a really good (if grim) article/read. Thank you for posting that.
- alkyon 1y agoThank you, this is what I wanted to know: "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ According to a survey commissioned by Penn State, more than 80 per cent of Israeli Jews now support the expulsion of Gazans. Compassion for Palestinians is taboo except among a fringe of radical activists. When Ayman Odeh, a Palestinian member of the Knesset, posted a tweet celebrating a recent prisoner exchange, he was denounced for seeming to equate the predicament of jailed Palestinians and Jewish hostages: ‘Your presence pollutes the Knesset,’ a colleague told him."
- Shacklz 1y ago> "‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ I have such a hard time understanding how such statements can find an accepting audience in this day and age; in Israel of all places. Replace "Israeli stand-up comedian" with "some Nazi propagandist in the 30s/40s" and "Gazans" with "Jews", and I'm sure it would be a perfectly accurate historical quote.
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- hliyan 1y agoI'm glad this is being discussed on HN instead of getting flagged. If we're intellectually curious, then we need to be curious about phenomena that defy explanation and events that may define the future course of our civiliazation. I think what's happening in Gaza/Palestine/Israel counts as both. It certainly defies explanation in my mind. To me, simply labeling somone as "evil" not feels like a premature termination of the chain of causality, but also circular reasoning (Why does X do evil things? Because X is evil. Why is X evil? Because X does evil things). There has to be more to it than that.
- pphysch 1y ago> Why does X do evil things? What is happening is definitely "evil" in its purest form, but there are many contributing explanations that don't rely on circular reasoning. - long-term geopolitical goals of "the West" in the middle east - a culture defined by a noxious combination of victim complex + ethnoreligious superiority - a society pampered by foreign financial and military aid (not having to stand on its own) - a long history of regional violence
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- tptacek 1y agoIraqi, Moroccan, Yemeni, Tunisian, Algerian, and Syrian Jewish citizens of Israel cannot in fact "simply pull their 2nd or 3rd passports and go back to where they came from", and this notion that every Israeli has a "3rd passport" (or, for that matter, a 2nd) is itself an ethnic slur.
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- tptacek 1y agoJewish people were chased out of Morocco by mobs wielding guns and lead pipes. There were actual pogroms. I don't know what you're trying to say with your last sentence but I think we can probably tie things off at "literally every single jew can be traced".
- wolf550e 1y agoThere have been Jews in Jerusalem, even a majority of Jews, in Ottoman times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusalem#Modern_era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusal... The Jews of Morocco (or Baghdad, or Tehran) can't go back. For that matter, surviving Polish Jews were chased out of Poland after WWII. Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi and most Israeli Jews don't have a 2nd passport. And, of course, people have a right to self determination. Jews don't have to beg to be allowed to live as dhimmi or as a minority in Europe. One people from the middle east managed to actually decolonize their tiny piece of land from the Arabs, and people have lost their minds. Every minority in the middle east is under attack (Kurds, Druze, Christians, etc.), and Westerners always side with the Arab colonizers.
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- briandear 1y agoHamas to this day still has hostages. People were still butchered and raped by Hamas. The meme that Palestinians are blameless is just not accurate. Not defending either side, just saying this is like the Soviets and the Nazis on the Eastern Front.
- kissickas 1y agoI'm sorry, what is Awdah Hathaleen's connection to Hamas?
- gedy 1y agoI don't like these "experiments" as dang called them of allowing Reddit-like rage topics on HN. I can get that elsewhere.
- hersko 1y agoNotice the "experiments" only go one way. Where is the story of the NY Times viral starving child photo retraction on the front page?
- istjohn 1y agoBy NY Times "retraction," I assume you are referring to this statement: > Children in Gaza are malnourished and starving, as New York Times reporters and others have documented. We recently ran a story about Gaza’s most vulnerable civilians, including Mohammed Zakaria al-Mutawaq, who is about 18 months old and suffers from severe malnutrition. We have since learned new information, including from the hospital that treated him and his medical records, and have updated our story to add context about his pre-existing health problems. This additional detail gives readers a greater understanding of his situation. Our reporters and photographers continue to report from Gaza, bravely, sensitively, and at personal risk, so that readers can see firsthand the consequences of the war. I hardly think that constitutes a retraction, nor do "pre-existing conditions" make the image of a starving child any less chilling, for me, personally. The picture, for anyone curious: https://x.com/CallumHoare_/status/1947770415092314506 https://x.com/CallumHoare_/status/1947770415092314506
- lostlogin 1y agoIt’s worth reading the thread - there is a lot here that was new to me and I follow the news and read the history of the region.
- cultofmetatron 1y agonothing makes more unsympathetic to the Israeli side than talking to zionists themselves. I had a guy threaten to doxx me to employer in instagram because I said that Israel is committing a genocide and that killing children is unjustifiable. I reported it to instagram, a clear case of malicious verbal intent and yet they decided it wasn't against community guidelines.
- steinvakt2 1y agoWhy comply with the idea of calling a colonialist a "settler"? It's a deliberate propaganda word choice that for some reason caught on outside Israel. Let's stop, please?
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- cm2012 1y agoI am in full support of Israel's actions in Gaza, but think Israel is completely out of line and breaking the law with their settlers actions in the West Bank.
- steinvakt2 1y agoAs a Norwegian, it is absolutely baffling how someone can seriously utter the words "I am in full support of Israel's actions in Gaza". Is the media coverage that different in USA than in Europe? How is it possible?
- izzydata 1y agoAs someone from the USA what I see from media coverage is genocide in Gaza. They would have to be truly ignorant and intentionally uninformed to say something like that or be in favor of genocide.
- tguvot 1y agodid you ever consider that media coverage is very selective and biased ? i remember half an year ago, during ceasefire when gaza was swamped in aid and food was rotting on the streets, laura coates at prime time said that "hundreds of gazans die from starvation daily". never happened. not even dozens. or when at abby phillips show yesterday, somebody tried to say that presenting images of children with genetic diseases as image of children who are dying from starvation is manipulative, abby phillips stopped this person and said that it's not important. nyt for example quietly updated it's story on this topic https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862667 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862667 you must have seen numerous mentions that 500 trucks of food to gaza is minimum (and actually needed even more), because it's the number of trucks that were entering gaza before war ? but did you see even once mention that 500 is total number of trucks that included construction materials, animal feed, etc.. etc.. and maximum of trucks of food that entered gaza in 1 day before war was 72(82?) you don't get journalism in mainstream media coverage anymore. you get activism https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie https://www.thefp.com/p/friedman-when-we-started-to-lie
- blindriver 1y ago"Murdered" not "killed".
- steinvakt2 1y agoAnd by a colonialist, not a settler.
- EchoReflection 1y agofwiw Media Bias Fact Check rates LA-Times as "least biased" https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/la-times-los-angeles-times/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/la-times-los-angeles-times/
- EchoReflection 1y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20250730090607/https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2025-07-29/awdah-hathaleen-killed-no-other-land-palestinian-activist-israeli-settler https://web.archive.org/web/20250730090607/https://www.latim...
- Lerc 1y agoThe person writing the next update to this article is going to have to take a deep breath before doing so. https://www.kqed.org/news/12043918/feds-detain-2-palestinian-men-at-sfo-in-us-to-speak-at-interfaith-gathering https://www.kqed.org/news/12043918/feds-detain-2-palestinian... The last update was June 13: A previous version of this story named the two Palestinian men who were sent back home. Their names were removed after concerns were raised for their safety.
- oliwarner 1y agoDisplacing natives with bulldozers and guns. Anywhere else this would be an invasion. Why do Israelis get the mantle of "settler"?
- immibis 1y agoInvader is when someone does it to you. Settler is when you do it to them.
- derelicta 1y agoNot surprising coming from a fascist ethnostate
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- msohailshah 1y agoCan anyone repeat after me now, Israel has the right to defend itself by starving children to death, killing innocent palestinians, bombing all its neighbors. This western favoritism is new, probably vicariously living Israels dirty work which they would like to do themselves. But the israeli supremacist mindset is nothing new for the chosen ones.