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Bill Atkinson's psychedelic user interface
- jacknews 1y agoSomeone please slip some of this stuff into various world 'leader' politicians' drinks. 'Dissolution of ego' seems like something that could be extremely beneficial for the world in some cases.
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- UltraSane 1y agoI have never used hallucinogens but know people who have and one of them suffers from Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder which causes visual snow or noise in his vision. It is a bit like visual tinnitus and he says it greatly reduces his quality of life. Wikipedia has a animation of what it looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep...
- bowsamic 1y agoI’ve taken a lot of psychedelic drugs. I wouldn’t recommend them. I don’t think they are at all helpful nor necessary for a fulfilling and open life. They may have some uses for addiction treatment in clinical settings. I definitely don’t think it’s someone that everyone has to experience. Sober life is best
- solfox 1y agoAccessibility is great, but you really should have a guide supporting you for your first journey. This is very different than being (say) introduced to a computer for the first time. Having an experienced friend/practitioner/therapist there can help you go deeper, keep you safe, and support you in integrating your experience. This is probably the most potent psychedelic on the planet.
- xeonmc 1y agoOk, where is this psychedelic community found? I must sample their handles for videogame character names.
- diggan 1y ago> Ok, where is this psychedelic community found? Bit like asking where all the beer drinkers are! People who are into psychedelics come from all walks of life and we're everywhere :) Start talking about fringe stuff with people and eventually you'll stumble upon others.
- zapzupnz 1y agoI mean, it's not the same is it, because I can tell you where I can at least find beer drinkers … down the pub, at the bar. If your bubble has people in it who have access to psychedelics, then great. If one's people doesn't have that, "just talk to people" is profoundly unhelpful. That's a very odd and specific conversation to bring up within some circles.
- gavinray 1y agoYou want to find psychedelic users? Go hang out on TripSit IRC. Go to music shows that draw that sort of crowd, like Phish and Co or EDM shows. Check out any of the psychedelics subreddits. Some cities have public psychedelics meetups. This was huge in the Denver/Boulder area of Colorado. There are lots of places if you try looking a little.
- zapzupnz 1y agoSee, that's helpful. Those are directions in which to be pointed. A bit America-centric but better than nothing. Thank you.
- chowder 1y agoIn Europe I always found connections at art show afterparties. Go to an exhibition opening and talk to everyone. It's very likely you'll get more than a few invitations. Obviously certain exhibitions are more likely to have connections to this crowd. Favor those shows.
- demiters 1y agoNot a big fan of the ongoing productisation of transcendental, possibly brain-scrambling experiences. Keeping them somewhat less accessible tends to filter out people who don't do their homework to understand the substance and who consider it just another novel experience to try on a whim, which increases the risk of negative outcomes.
- hnlmorg 1y agoThat has been various governments approach to drugs for literally decades and it got us nowhere. The problem isnt that this still is casually available. Drugs have been casually available since forever. The problem is that pushing drug usage to the fringes makes it less safe for people who haven’t done their homework. Ironically the exact opposite of that you claimed.
- demiters 1y agoYou're right. I'm all for across-the-board decriminalisation btw. But I don't really know where a responsible balance would be for psychedelic availability, my intuition is we shouldn't be aiming at OTC disposable DMT vapes etc.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoPerhaps administration of the drug from a professional? Make the treatment an affordable and legal option.
- athenot 1y agoThe difficulty here is professional skill entails money, money entails risk management, risk management entails legalities. The only way in the US is to have a powerful lobby that can fight to ensure broad waivers stand up in court, like the NRA: you can buy a gun and literally shoot yourself in the foot. But if transaction, money, service, profession are all removed, then under a co-op / non profit this might work. Of course, those structures are also vulnerable to well-funded legal opponents. Some European countries do provide a framework for this but it's more from a public health perspective and to eliminate the raison-d'être of criminal drug organizations.
- fedeb95 1y agothinking that our own judgement is better than a doctor judgement, supported by a vast community and shared knowledge, is epistemically interesting. Beware that I'm not saying that doctors, or the scientific community, can't be wrong, everyone can be wrong, even ourselves. Personally, I'd rather have a proper doctor prescribe me said medicine than take it myself.
- RamblingCTO 1y agoI'd say it's irrelevant. Doctors typically have no exposure, interest nor knowledge about these things. So they are not the ones to have an opinion about it.
- JKCalhoun 1y agoWe should fix that then. (Timothy Leary was in fact a doctor. Perhaps though his overly zealous enthusiasm for LSD makes him not the ideal example in this case though.)
- RamblingCTO 1y agoNot sure tbh. This is still in its infancy and not "stable" enough for a bigger adoption rate. So while we're still researching I feel like it's ok that we don't get it out to the masses.
- soulofmischief 1y agoIn an ideal world maybe, but in the real world, most doctors are conditioned by US propaganda and the War on Drugs. Their views are compromised. Furthermore, I've had mixed experiences with health professionals. It took me 10 years across multiple clinics and states to get diagnosed with gout that I've had since at least my late teens. Laughed out of multiple doctor's offices because I'm a "healthy young male" even though each day and night was filled with excruciating pain and drastically reduced mobility. "Full test panels" that specifically did not test my uric acid, because no healthy young male has gout. No mention of gout ever to me, of course. I had to self diagnose as the disease progressed due to lack of treatment. Got my diagnosis confirmed by a physician's assistant, because both doctors at that clinic were on vacation at the same time for like the third time that quarter. He ordered a uric acid test, and was surprised that I'd never been offered one. Both doctors had literally laughed me out of the office over the previous months. But I was persistent and it turns out the physician's assistant there was both more thorough and more knowledgeable than either doctor, helping me finally begin a path to treatment. I was damn near about to kill myself from a decade of extraordinary pain. From my discussions with older, typical gout sufferers, my case is extraordinarily bad and most of them only experience mild pain. It's equally as silly to place 100% trust in doctors as it is to place 0% trust in them.
- croisillon 1y agothe first pic looks like Jobs and Bill Watterson
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- WillAdams 1y agoFor the technological context and result: https://www.folklore.org/Joining_Apple_Computer.html https://www.folklore.org/Joining_Apple_Computer.html Still very sad that HyperCard got sidelined and that even its successor, Livecode abandoned the idea of being available to everyone --- though it looks as if folks are still working that: https://openxtalk.org/ https://openxtalk.org/
- wvlia5 1y agoThis is off-topic, we are discussing drugs here.
- LocalH 1y agoIt's not off-topic, it's the intersection of two things that Bill Atkinson was extremely passionate about.
- phaedryx 1y agoHypercard was inspired by an LSD trip.
- Ylpertnodi 1y agoPerhaps the gp's comment was written and posted whilst being smashed, and that's just one of the effects.
- WillAdams 1y agowhich the link in question references: >Inspired by a mind-expanding LSD journey in 1985, I designed the HyperCard authoring system that enabled non-programmers to make their own interactive media.
- Euphorbium 1y agoI have not used 5-meo, but for n,n DMT the vape is without a doubt the most convenient method.
- gavinray 1y agoI've done it a few times. Unlike DMT, you don't have to vaporize it. It's active intranasally and well as buccally/sublingually. Effects-wise, it feels roughly identical to DMT but with a longer duration.
- fer 1y agoI found it significantly less visual. As in, about as immersive, but somewhat lacking visual depth/detail to things. But everyone's different anyway.
- gehwartzen 1y agoTo me it feels like a completely different drug compared to nnDMT. 5-meo-DMT also feels very different depending on the roa from my experience (vaped vs IM)
- wvlia5 1y agoExpand on roa effect difference?
- gehwartzen 1y agoIt’s a little difficult to describe as 5-meo-DMT is not a visual type of trip. In fact I get almost no visuals from it even at relatively high doses. I would describe 5-meo as a trip that gives you an immediate understanding of how life and the universe “works” at a very fundamental level. Your perception changes from analytical type thinking to all of a sudden just knowing how everything fits together and how you can control reality around you. A bit like pulling the curtain back and seeing the source code of realty but then also intuitively knowing how to manipulate and rewrite it and seeing the effects of that in real time. I wish I could explain it better. In terms of ROA between vaping and IM get the same type of knowing but from a different perspective. Injected feels like your personal programming code gets rewritten and you have a reality shift to having administrator privileges while vaped feels like the person that wrote the code is a co-pilot in your head explaining how the code is written and how it executes to present as reality to you. There’s definitely a lot of overlap between each roa type though. What I describe above is also my experience after dozens of trips with 5-Meo. The first few were definitely more confusing and at times overwhelming as the perspective shift can be severe. Once you get experienced though it’s a fun way to cruise around in “reality”
- bikamonki 1y agoCare to explain how this dissolves the ego like I am 5?
- franze 1y agoI used that exact same image for ma Atkinson Dithering Algo Learning Page https://atkinson.franzai.com/ https://atkinson.franzai.com/
- _fat_santa 1y agoWe need to push to make this stuff legal. I wouldn't go so far as to say lets sell it OTC vape pens at gas stations but a middle ground where you can go to a doctor to have this treatment performed. I personally have never taken DMT though from everything I've read and heard on podcasts it's not something to be taken lightly. I think having a sort of "DMT Clinic" that you can go to would be the best middle ground of allowing the public access to these substances while also ensuring that there is a trained professional there to guide you through the process. Saying "trained professional" in this context feels wired because this stuff has been underground for so long but I think it's starting to bubble up into the mainstream enough that we need to start bringing all that "into the light". Lets have training programs that teach people how to administer this stuff properly, how to deal with the negative side effects, etc. One of the things that while I find understandable is ridiculous is the fact that Bill had to use a pseudonym in the community. I feel like if were at the point where you have C-suite types at Apple taking this stuff, it's time to think about making it available to the broader public.
- fnord77 1y ago5-Meo is kind of nasty because it has a non-linear pharmacology. the normal dose is 5-10mg, but LD50 in sheep is about 100mg, it might be as low as 30mg in humans. It absolutely should not be legal, at least to anyone. Perhaps require training in dealing with drugs with a low therapeutic index
- marssaxman 1y ago> it might be as low as 30mg in humans. That seems quite unlikely given that there are many 30mg dose trip reports, going as far back as TiHKAL.
- OldfieldFund 1y agoLD50 in sheep: 1–5 mg/kg IV 1–2 mg/kg SC 85 mg/kg O In mice: 75–115 mg/kg IP 48 mg/kg IV 113 mg/kg SC 278 mg/kg O They were administering over 30mg to humans in trials. (Metzner (2013); Shulgin and Shulgin (1997); Ott (2001); Davis et al. (2018); Uthaug et al. (2020a)) Sheep are susceptible to toxicity from certain tryptamine alkaloids because of their physiology. These alkaloids, especially those that are N,N-dimethylated, can trigger neurological symptoms in sheep, such as convulsions, spasticity, and gait issues. The alkaloids are suspected to affect the brain and spinal cord by interacting with serotonin receptors. 5-MeO-DMT is an N,N-dimethylated compound. Its full chemical name is 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine. That indicates the presence of two methyl groups attached to the nitrogen atom of the tryptamine backbone. Stay safe, everyone!
- tiahura 1y agoI can’t tell you the number of times I’ve thought that what this country needs is more druggies running around.
- criddell 1y agoMore people like Bill Atkinson? That sounds good to me.
- knowaveragejoe 1y agoHow can you look at this and think "druggies"?
- jobs_throwaway 1y agoMore people like Bill Atkinson and Steve Jobs sounds great to me!
- edm0nd 1y agothese are the 'good' type of drugs though
- dekhn 1y agoDrug culture had a big influence on the creation of modern desktop computing. https://www.amazon.com/What-Dormouse-Said-Counterculture-Personal/dp/0143036769 https://www.amazon.com/What-Dormouse-Said-Counterculture-Per... is the best-researched book I've seen on this, but after living in the bay area for 35 years and talking to lots of people, there is a lot more drug use that impacts technology than most people would expect.
- damnesian 1y agoAm I the only person who read the article like this: "blah blah BOTH BILL ATKINSON AND STEVE JOBS DIED FROM PANCREATIC CANCER blah blah"?
- duckbot3000 1y agoSteve Jobs tried to treat his cancer by eating apples and ignoring the diagnosis until it was too late… not sure if that’s really connected to psychedelics
- wvlia5 1y agoI'm developing a much more advanced digital device (like bicycle to spaceship compared to this). I'm currently blocked by chemistry issues.
- nonelog 1y agoWhile DMT definitively has its merits (and is produced naturally in the human body), know also that Psilocybin allows for an increases of the human lifespan of over 50%, which is absolutely massive. [0] It's entirely natural, easy to do, has no side effects, costs next to nothing, and can even be "fun". As usual, the media will not talk about this discovery, as it is too much of a game-changer for our current systems. [0] https://neurosciencenews.com/psilocybin-longevity-aging-29425/ https://neurosciencenews.com/psilocybin-longevity-aging-2942...
- ashalhashim 1y agoI assume this comment is trolling. But to be clear to readers, the link states psilocybin 50% increase in lifespan of human skin etc. not human lifespan.
- nonelog 1y ago"[...] extended the cellular lifespan of human skin and lung cells by more than 50%" If we assume that the effect is the same for all types of cells, it follows that the life is extended by 50% (when keeping "all other factors" constant, as usual).
- demaga 1y agoI feel like someone is trying really hard to push public perception of psychedelics towards "acceptable". I don't know who it benefits, but this is a really weird Overton window. I wouldn't say a word if it weren't nth article about psychedelics that appears on HN frontpage. I was quiet the last n-1 times. If you google psilocybin right now, you can see articles that state how it "slows ageing" and "cures depression". There probably is some truth to it, but only in very specific sense and specific circumstances. Most people will NOT benefit from taking the drug (as with any drug). So it hurts my soul when I see words like "legalize" being thrown in this context. We know very very little about effect of such drugs. And the goal should not be to legalize, but rather to expand our knowledge on how it works, and create safe medicine that actually helps people. Rant is over now. Thank you.
- kloop 1y ago> So it hurts my soul when I see words like "legalize" being thrown in this context. We know very very little about effect of such drugs. That seems like exactly when we should legalize it. The default is legal, and without definite knowledge of serious harm, that should be the status. The burden of proof should be on the people who want it to be legal, and by your comment, their case seems pretty weak.
- 1718627440 1y agoSure, just let people use any weapon, we don't know for sure, if any particular bullet is mortal, maybe they don't cause any harm that time.
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- pazimzadeh 1y agoIt’s a lot easier to study if it’s legal. It’s also pretty hard to come up with a convincing placebo. The experience is also highly colored by “set and setting”, and the clinical environment or office space is probably not ideal for this knowledge expansion.. An article just came out showing that psilocybin extends life in aged mice, so that’s why you’re seeing it a lot. Yet we have no idea what causes this lifespan increase. Is it a result of “hallucination” experience itself , a purely chemical effect, or something in between? (aka will a ‘bad trip’ give the same effect on lifespan?) > Most people will NOT benefit from taking the drug (as with any drug) Now you’re just making things up.
- notarobot123 1y agoRelated: Hypercard was inspired by an LSD trip which Bill explains in an interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJKjBHCh18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJKjBHCh18)
- seltzered_ 1y agoRelated: Hypercard '200 Points of Light' demonstration (concept from 1990): https://youtu.be/H5-T_S50Sr4 https://youtu.be/H5-T_S50Sr4
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- DonHopkins 1y agoI finally located a video with a live demonstration of Chuck Farnham's HyperCard Smut Stack, from the auspicious journalistic production "Geraldo: Sex in the 90's. From Computer Porn to Fax Foxes"! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42571845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42571845 DonHopkins 6 months ago | parent | context | favorite | on: ASCII porn predates the Internet but it's still ev... Then you would have loved the HyperCard Smut Stack, the first commercial HyperCard stack ever released! I've begged Chuck to dig around to see if he has an old copy of the floppy lying around and upload it, but so far I don't know of a copy online you can run. Its bold pioneering balance of art and slease deserves preservation, and the story behind it is hilarious. Edit: OMG I've just found the Geraldo episode with Chuck online, auspiciously titled "Geraldo: Sex in the 90's. From Computer Porn to Fax Foxes", which shows an example of Smut Stack (demo starts at 2:00 but worth watching the whole thing just for Chuck's continuous smirk): https://visual-icon.com/lionsgate/detail/?id=67563&t=ts https://visual-icon.com/lionsgate/detail/?id=67563&t=ts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22285675 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22285675 DonHopkins on Feb 10, 2020 | parent | context | favorite | on: HyperCard: What Could Have Been (2002) Do you have the first commercial HyperCard stack ever released: the HyperCard SmutStack? Or SmutStack II, the Carnal Knowledge Navigator, both by Chuck Farnham? SmutStack was the first commercial HyperCard product available at rollout, released two weeks before HyperCard went public at a MacWorld Expo, cost $15, and made a lot of money (according to Chuck). SmutStack 2, the Carnal Knowledge Navigator, had every type of sexual adventure you could imagine in it, including information about gays, lesbians, transgendered, HIV, safer sex, etc. Chuck was also the marketing guy for Mac Playmate, which got him on Geraldo, and sued by Playboy. https://www.zdnet.com/article/could-the-ios-app-be-the-21st-century-hypercard-stack/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/could-the-ios-app-be-the-21st-... >Smut Stack. One of the first commercial stacks available at the launch of HyperCard was Smut Stack, a hilarious collection (if you were in sixth grade) of somewhat naughty images that would make joke, present a popup image, or a fart sound when the viewer clicked on them. The author was Chuck Farnham of Chuck's Weird World fame. >How did he do it? After all, HyperCard was a major secret down at Cupertino, even at that time before the wall of silence went up around Apple. >It seems that Farnham was walking around the San Jose flea market in the spring of 1987 and spotted a couple of used Macs for sale. He was told that they were broken. Carting them home, he got them running and discovered several early builds of HyperCard as well as its programming environment. Fooling around with the program, he was able to build the Smut Stack, which sold out at the Boston Macworld Expo, being one of the only commercial stacks available at the show. https://archive.org/stream/MacWorld_9008_August_1990/MacWorld_9008_August_1990_djvu.txt https://archive.org/stream/MacWorld_9008_August_1990/MacWorl... Page 69 of https://archive.org/stream/MacWorld_9008_August_1990 https://archive.org/stream/MacWorld_9008_August_1990 >Famham's Choice >This staunch defender was none other than Chuck Farnham, whom readers of this column will remember as the self-appointed gadfly known for rooting around in Apple’s trash cans. One of Farnham ’s myriad enterprises is Digital Deviations, whose products include the infamous SmutStack, the Carnal Knowledge Navigator, and the multiple-disk set Sounds of Susan. The last comes in two versions: a $15 disk of generic sex noises and, for $10 more, a personalized version in which the talented Susan moans and groans using your name. I am not making this up. >Farnham is frank about his participation in the Macintosh smut trade. “The problem with porno is generic,” he says, sounding for the briefest moment like Oliver Wendell Holmes. “When you do it, you have to make a commitment ... say you did it and say it’s yours. Most people would not stand up in front of God and country and say, ‘It’s mine.’ I don’t mind being called Mr. Scum Bag.” >On the other hand, he admits cheerily, “There’s a huge market for sex stuff.” This despite the lack of true eroticism. “It’s a novelty,” says Farnham. Sort of the software equivalent of those ballpoint pens with the picture of a woman with a disappearing bikini. https://archive.org/stream/NewComputerExpress110/NewComputerExpress110_djvu.txt https://archive.org/stream/NewComputerExpress110/NewComputer... [taken down] Page 18 of https://archive.org/stream/NewComputerExpress110 https://archive.org/stream/NewComputerExpress110 [taken down] >“Chuck developed the first commercial stack, the Smutstack, which was released two weeks before HyperCard went public at a MacWorld Expo. He’s embarrassed how much money a silly collection of sounds, cartoons, and scans of naked women brought in. His later version, the Carnal Knowledge Navigator, was also a hit.
- brainless 1y agoI am on the fence with these topics because I have years of fear drilled into me. These topics are a taboo and I have rarely ever tried anything at all. The experiences did not ruin me, they made me more curious about my brain in a positive way. But the social taboo lingers. What surprises me the most is that we have accepted sugar, alcohol, cigarettes and a ton of mass manufactured food which are harming us. I am struggling with high blood glucose for 12 years. Yet, the substance which I can grow in my* own backyard and may actually not be as harmful is just brainwashed out of my limits. edits: you to me
- numpad0 1y agoIsn't the distinction based on whether the substance directly cause a wage gap and/or significant life expectancy loss? Someone on meth all the time can literally fatigue-free until there is no brain matter left, but someone on coffee or beer can not. It is often argued that some of generally illegal substances like marijuana is only toxic to comparable extents as legal substances, but there are observations that it seem to trigger some types of megalomaniac schizophrenia, so the fence probably has reasons to be there, I think.
- mcherm 1y ago> Isn't the distinction based on whether the substance directly cause a wage gap and/or significant life expectancy loss? No. I feel QUITE certain that the distinction is based on whether or not the substance has a history of a few generations of widespread use among western Europeans ("white people").
- zoklet-enjoyer 1y agoIs there that much of a social taboo? Maybe it's just the people I hang out with and work with, but most people are open to psychedelic use and a lot have at least tried some.
- skyyler 1y agoSome people’s conception of “normal people” is people on the bus or train. Some people’s conception of “normal people” is people at a church ice cream social. Different perspectives, I think.
- jekwoooooe 1y agoWithout rigorous science and licensed professionals it would be insanity to take these drugs. They can potentially PERMANENTLY traumatize your brain possibly even _literally_ ruining your entire life. I guess that risk is worth it for some people
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- Ylpertnodi 1y agoYour concern is warranted, but a tad hyperbolic. Getting into a[n even minor] car crash, and thereafter recovery, can have equally devastating effects, as can being attacked by a dog.
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- dang 1y agoCan you please express your substantive points without getting personal? I'm sure you didn't intend to cross into personal attack but this comment is a step in that direction. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bongodongobob 1y agoI used to be very active in the hippy music scene. Permanent effects are exceedingly rare. I know people who trip fairly frequently and beyond some dreadlocks or tie dyed shirts off the clock, they are perfectly normal well adjusted people. You are being extremely hyperbolic.
- wtetzner 1y agoI mean, so can alcohol.
- hnthrowaway0315 1y agoI'm skeptic about psychedelic. Is there enough unbiased research about these stuffs? I myself is interested in it too but so far it is in general illegal in Canada, and I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to try it out.
- fnord77 1y agoThe noun "stuff" never gets an s. I'm sure there's some easy rule for words like this.
- nick__m 1y agothere are plenty of psychedelics legal in Canada, I know of a few chemical suppliers that specialize in this. It's been at least a decade since I last ordered from them, but they are still in bussines. However you said that your not knowledgeable and I guess that you doesn't have access to a milligrams scale, so your better to stay away and learn the theory first. A lot of psilocybin analog (alpha-MethylTryptamine was one of my favorite and it's still available) from Thikal are still legal in Canada so that book is a good place to start learning.
- xsmasher 1y agoThere is not enough research because, at least in the US, there was a blanket ban on any research since 1970 when most psychedelics were placed on "Schedule I" - meaning they had "no accepted medical use" and "high potential for abuse." "Big Reality" was either terrified of everyone becoming drooling monkeys, or people seeing behind the curtain of society, depending on who you ask.
- nsxwolf 1y agoWhat if "dissolving the ego" is bad though?
- allears 1y agoThousands of years of Buddhist practice says it isn't
- bowsamic 1y agoThousands of years of Buddhist practice and the enlightened teachers are still getting in sex scandals. As someone who spent years in that world, I never met anyone who seemed genuinely helped by the practice
- Synaesthesia 1y agoPsychedelics are not some harmless cure-all. They can provide remarkable experiences, life affirming experiences and being quite effective against depression. They can also cause some pretty scary and bad times. So they need to be treated with respect. But I think they're well worth exploring.
- lioeters 1y agoThat's what the ego would say.
- dare944 1y agoOff-topic, but I have to... (From the photo caption) "Bill ... with his iphone prototype" Nope. That's a Sony Magic Link, built by Bill (and others, myself included) during his time at General Magic. I feel General Magic is another one of Bill's endeavors that isn't widely understood or appreciated.
- itomato 1y agoI worked for a time with a dude who was absolutely over the moon with his magic link. He got it in a way that I haven’t seen elsewhere. Yes, he carried it everywhere. Yes, he used it during his job interview. Yes, it helped.
- radicaldreamer 1y agoThere was a great documentary on Magic Leap! https://www.generalmagicthemovie.com https://www.generalmagicthemovie.com
- Stratoscope 1y agoThat is a great documentary, but it's about General Magic, not Magic Leap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Magic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Magic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Leap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Leap
- DonHopkins 1y agoHere's the real story behind "Magic Creep": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28838332 Not to be confused with General Magic, which wasn't a money grubbing fraud from day one, which didn't put on the most ridiculous obnoxious unenlightening cocaine addled TedX talk in the history of the universe, which didn't post fraudulent obviously impossibly fake demos to youtube falsely claiming "Just another day in the office at Magic Leap", which didn't have a toxic nepotistic bro culture that excluded and belittled women, that didn't settle a huge lawsuit for sex discrimination against the one woman they hired to fix the "pink/blue problem" but then rebuffed and ignored, that didn't burn through billions of investment dollars producing nothing of value, which didn't blatantly rip off many people's original ideas in their unoriginal invalid fraudulent patent applications, which didn't publish an astounding but physically impossible video of a whale leaping out the gym floor and splashing down while hundreds of children not wearing AR headsets were somehow magically able to perceive it and clap and cheer and say "WOOOAAAHH!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8J5BWL8oJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8J5BWL8oJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbpqwUUfMAQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbpqwUUfMAQ https://x.com/fernandojsg/status/1017411969169555457 https://x.com/fernandojsg/status/1017411969169555457 Magic Leap gave magic a bad name (and was the biggest disgrace of the entire AR industry, even spectacularly worse than a certain Google Glasshole publishing a nude selfie of himself in the shower), while General Magic truly was the good kind of magic. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21725347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21725347
- esseph 1y agoI hope research with psilocybin, DMT, and other psychedelics continue and that some of these possible discoveries pan out. Example that just came across my news feed: "psilocin, a byproduct of consuming psilocybin, the active ingredient in psychedelic mushrooms, extended the cellular lifespan of human skin and lung cells by more than 50%." https://neurosciencenews.com/psilocybin-longevity-aging-29425/ https://neurosciencenews.com/psilocybin-longevity-aging-2942...
- kmoser 1y ago> His open-source approach democratized psychedelic exploration, shifting power away from costly retreats and elite gatekeepers toward broader accessibility. No surprise that, in keeping with the hacker spirit, Bill wanted to democratize information that is otherwise accessible only to "high" priests.
- trenbologna 1y agoIf you have ever had the experience you will want to share with the world and give everyone the opportunity to experience it.
- ComplexSystems 1y agoIs this different from regular DMT?
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- Liquix 1y agoYes. Regular DMT is N,N-DMT, Atkinson's Jaguar is 5-MeO-DMT. They have been referred to as "the power and the glory" respectively. 5-MeO-DMT is regarded as one of the most powerful and profound psychedelics, even when compared to N,N-DMT.
- VonGuard 1y agoOn DMT, you meet elves. On 5-MeO-DMT you hear every voice in the universe at once. Quite a step up, but both last like 15 minutes, max.
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y ago*If inhaled There are other routes of administration
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- ge96 1y agoPeople talk about getting out of software and doing woodwork Now this... I've actually done DMT one time was crazy and instant the effects but brief. I did it at a dining room table with wooden grain and concentric ring placemats. I remember seeing my arm like wtf is that. And then the grain/rings moving. Even closing my eyes I'd see colors but was over in a couple minutes. What I had my friend made. Bought some root, had to use naptha to separate it in a fridge then put it (powder) on top of something flammable and smoke it like weed. Further thoughts: On a side note/comparison, weed for me it's like. Day to day you're driven by a known process/system. You have to get to work at 9 AM, go to this, then that. Smoking weed you stop and are in the moment, suddenly focused on how vibrant this red shrub is that you normally ignore. I don't smoke weed anymore because it makes me super paranoid like afraid cops are going to arrest me or I can't interact with people as I already have social anxiety. The other thing is it would enforce my delusions thinking some idea was great/fixate on some design (I was trying to use it to come up with ideas to make money). DMT is like losing steady state/reality, solid things start to move. The colors were not solid for me, it's like when you push your eyes (while closed) and you see flashes of light. This was a long time ago I did it so might not be remembering as well, it was intense though and brief. I have not done acid or shrooms as I have bad repressed childhood memories and I don't want to get stuck in that for hours. Did K one time, I just sat on a couch throughout a party doing nothing/sipping on a cup of water. K2/Salvia that stuff was whack, I felt like I was sinking into a couch when I smoked it in a shed with a buddy and I felt dumb like I couldn't talk correctly. C and Addy, amazing. I mean if you could operate life like that all the time you'd probably die just because you'd do crazy things like do a jump that you normally wouldn't just because of the overconfidence. But yeah the ability to sit down/cram 12 hrs of work and pass a test, amazing or nail every note on a guitar. The weight loss is great but I found my p would shrink so much it was crazy. At one point started to defecate blood (was just a fissure) so yeah that was a problem. I would use A for times when I couldn't get sleep and would just do these overnighters at a data-entry job. Also did M before (fake addy) and yeah, that's great for drinking, you can just pound beers/liquor and not feel it. The bad thing is the come downs, you are drained of happiness, can't do anything and it is hard to recover. A way to recover is to jerk off a lot. But yeah I don't do that anymore just because the sadness is crazy.
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- kragen 1y agoIs the world's most powerful psychedelic the personal computer, or is it 5-MeO-DMT (Jaguar)? Not having tried the latter, and therefore speaking from a position of ignorance, I'm inclined toward the former. I think Timothy Leary agreed with me.
- dpc050505 1y agoHaving experience with a lot of psychedelics it's completely ridiculous to put the personal computer in that category. Timothy Leary might've drawn a parallel on the psychological impact of computers (I have no idea on the exact quote or it's context), which is enormous, but computers are just not psychedelic.
- e1ghtSpace 1y agoCould you help me out, would this video be considered psychedelic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_dLx_J2oVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_dLx_J2oVs I made it with a personal computer.
- lioeters 1y agoComputers are one of the most psychedelic technologies ever created. It literally expands the mind.
- musicale 1y agoSomehow I missed that he died just last month. The modern computing world is indebted to him I think. I was lucky enough to meet him in person once. This inspires me to this day: https://www.folklore.org/Busy_Being_Born.html https://www.folklore.org/Busy_Being_Born.html