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Huly – Open-source project management platform
- farceSpherule 2y agoWhy do this when you can pay for any number of SaaS products out there?
- nubela 2y agoIs it just me that when someone sells something as "everything", I immediately feels like it does nothing well?
- platoff 2y agoHere is Huly's opinion on this topic: https://huly.blog/is-it-time-for-everything-apps https://huly.blog/is-it-time-for-everything-apps
- hakanderyal 2y agoYour assumption is the worst case. Best case is it does the things it do "good enough".
- Brajeshwar 2y agoI’m kind of, by default, against meaningless animation, but your reveals and the fiery ones on the Pricing page are awesome. The plans are also generous and made for someone or a small team who needs the features but is not ready to start using all the resources, right away. Best of Luck. Looking good so far from the first browse and scroll-around.
- jonnycoder 2y agoI literally just stumbled upon the designer and he posted a tutorial on the fiery pricing bento boxes: https://x.com/alex_barashkov/status/1841493887359066421 https://x.com/alex_barashkov/status/1841493887359066421 I am blown away at all of his work. He has some graphics and animation that I want to mimic for a "solar" theme I am working on.
- namanyayg 2y agoHe billed $90k for the website, design, and motion work. Crazy.
- dotty- 2y agoThe pricing is very interesting. The company I work for pays $20k for Jira & Confluence and $20k for Slack every year. And this platform claims I can replace both of them for $3600/year? and it's open source? The marketing looks great, so I hope the platform is actually a good competitor. I'd be so curious to see what their revenue is every year.
- danpalmer 2y agoBasecamp is also the same price. SaaS pricing is all made up. If you're a high-margin SaaS company the idea of spending $40k/yr for this seems... fine. If you're a small business, or you operate on retail margins, you'd laugh them out of the room, and rightly so as there are great tools at far better prices. The idea of every service charging $15-30 per user per month is a myth perpetuated by companies who themselves have that budget to spend out of their VC funding.
- ketzo 2y agoThe general category of "project management software" is obviously a very crowded one. But it's a space where I'm always genuinely excited to see an even-slightly-new take; I think anybody who's worked in a modern workplace would agree that this is very much not a solved problem, and the returns on even small improvements are so huge. Best of luck to Huly, this seems pretty cool. I've never gone all-in on a fully-integrated stack like this (issue tracking + docs + chat + calls), but it seems like in an ideal world, that's what you would want? Huge integration with O365 seems like the one thing people do actually like about MS Teams, for example. Also, I'm a sucker for cool laser animations, so I'm saving the home + pricing pages to an inspiration folder for sure.
- mrbluecoat 2y agolol, I too was fascinated with their clock animation at the bottom of the homepage. Not really a PM vibe, but cool nonetheless.
- rapht 2y agoIt's the reason why it can only work at small scale: it's all or nothing. It wants to be your only communication channel. But, surprise, as soon as you live in a larger organisation, there will already be communication channels that serve part of the same purpose. Then most of the functionality become clutter.
- danpalmer 2y agoReading the deployment information, there's an interesting tension here with applications that target self-hosting. Deploying this requires running 5 different open source servers (databases, proxies, etc), and 5 different services that form part of this suite. If I were self-hosting this in a company I now need to be an expert in lots of different systems and potentially how to scale them, back them up, etc. The trade-offs to be made here are very different to when architecting a typical SaaS backend, where this sort of architecture might be fine. I've been going through this myself with a hobby project. I'm designing it for self-hosting, and it's a radically different way of working to what I'm used to (operating services just for my company). I've been using SQLite and local disk storage so that there's essentially just 2 components to operate and scale – application replicas, and shared disk storage (which is easy to backup too). I'd rather be using Postgres, I'd rather be using numerous other services, background queue processors, etc, but each of those components is something that my users would need to understand, and therefore something to be minimised far more strictly than if it were just me/one team. Huly looks like a great product, but I'm not sure I'd want to self-host.
- j45 2y agoIf docker is spinning all the services up it’s not as big of a deal. Unfortunately, JavaScript based apps can be quite convoluted to output HTML and JavaScript.
- al_borland 2y ago>If docker is spinning all the services up it’s not as big of a deal. Until something goes wrong, or the business side of the house asks for some kind of customization.
- j45 2y agoSame for manually hosting it and an update breaking it. Docker can be a min to packaging an application. Appwrite is a good example of packaging a complex app nearly flawlessly with docker and making updates a little more seamless. I continue to have my reservations about docker having used it for a long time but some applications are helpful. It’s unrealistic to eliminate it on the basis of it not being perfect for any and all scenarios. It makes software available to more people to be able to run locally, and I’m not sure that’s a bad thing.
- DoesntMatter22 2y agoidk if it's just me but if they don't' have a running demo of it I'm not even gonna spend any time unless I'm desperate
- nikolayasdf123 2y agothe webiste sure looks flashy
- jatins 2y agothis did rounds on Twitter a while back. iirc they spent ~80k USD or similarly high amount for it found the tweet: > We charged $89,775 for this new @huly_io landing page - https://x.com/alex_barashkov/status/1801219973236342910 https://x.com/alex_barashkov/status/1801219973236342910
- Brajeshwar 2y agoAh! You guys were Huly.App and this is a relaunch. I had tracked your earlier progress a few months back but forgot about it. Nice, again, best of luck.
- qaq 2y agoInteresting naming decision it's actually a swear word in russian and given that top contributors are obviously familiar with the lang. that is not a coincidence.
- aldanor 2y agoPerhaps it's to discourage bureaucratic Russian companies from using it :)
- owl57 2y agoIIRC Anton Nosik, a pioneer of Russian web, explicitly said that he chose Livejournal user name "dolboeb" (~"dumbfuck") because he didn't want traditional media to cite him.
- sssilver 2y agoInteresting username decision — “qaq” (քաք) is actually the vulgar word for “shit” in Armenian.
- aakresearch 2y agoI'm sure GP is aware of this. This root has "shitty" connotations in many languages, Russian included.
- qaq 2y agothat def was not the intention :) как is how in russian
- ndndjdjdn 2y ago(քաք) sure looks cute though
- qaq 2y agoGood to know
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- jacktheturtle 2y agonice landing page, looks good.
- eclipxe 2y agoThis looks really great and love that it can be self hosted. Nice!!!
- ikeashark 2y agoI can't believe Gavin Belson is rejoining Hooli!
- staticBr 2y agoI'm here for this comment
- anonymous8888 2y agoConsider the elephant
- dkga 2y agoConsider the bulldog
- tjpnz 2y agoThe bear is sticky with honey.
- avanttech 2y agoSite looks great and opensource moniker while replacing major products with self hosting got me really interested. Checked the github and understood svelte in frontend UI. All the best on your journey. btw, Is video & audio conferencing built from scratch or does it need MS Teams and Zoom or can integrate with 3rd party providers?
- platoff 2y agoVideo conferencing in Hulu does not need Zoom, etc and currently utilizes the awesome LiveKit (https://livekit.io https://livekit.io), which is also open source
- lmc 2y agoIs anyone using this in a team? How is the perf?
- penguin_booze 2y agoSurely, I'm not the only one thought of Hooli and Gavin Belson?
- tablet 2y agoMy first thought as well :) Not sure the naming is good.
- gempir 2y agoMy thoughts just from reading the landing page, not having tested it. I think trying to replace all these Apps > serves as an all-in-one replacement of Linear, Jira, Slack, and Notion. is not a wise move. I can see Linear and Jira and maybe Notion, but fighting with Slack just is an uphill battle. There are so many Chat platforms out there and many open source too. Why would yours be the one to be at least on par with the likes of Slack? Which hasn't really happend for the others either. JetBrains tried this with JetBrains Space [1] it used to be a knowledge platform and chat platform all with a code hosting platform, CI platform and a little more. But even an experienced dev company like JetBrains gave that up and focused on the core. I think they should remove the chat part and stick to being a Jira + Notion replacement. [1] https://www.jetbrains.com/space/ https://www.jetbrains.com/space/
- Aeolun 2y agoI think the only way they can capture some part of the market is by doing something the others are not. We don’t need another Jira + Notion clone I think.
- Maxion 2y agoThere's a reason why Redmine is still in use in many places...
- beAbU 2y agoI don't think we should discount a competing product's existence just because it's a David and Goliath situation. If we all had your mindset we'd still be using MSN Chat on Windows XP or something.
- tremarley 2y agoI think Huly would appeal to people who find peace of mind when using one companies tool, rather than 5 companies tools to do everything they need. Similar to how Notion became popular to people who wanted to use the same app for journaling, knowledge management and CRM, for home and work. Hopefully Huly pulls it off, having so many features that work well isn’t an easy task.
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- olebedev 2y agoAs a person with russian background I am laughing on the name of the project. With all the respect to the effort, I can’t take it seriously. The «хули» (direct transliteration to huly) means “what a hell” or actually a bit spicier “what a f@ck”. This phrase is common for russian tradies who don’t bather to know anything but where is the nearest bottle shop and how much time left til the end of work shift. The name reminded me PizData project from the russian speakers. What. A. Joke.
- jesterson 2y agoWhile it may have connotations in specific languages, it doesn't signify quality of the project. Hope we agree on it.
- tryuseless 2y agoYes, cut them some Slack.
- olebedev 2y agoNo, we are not.
- patrickaljord 2y agowhy not?
- AlexSW 2y agoC.f. 'git', which you probably do use and etymologically is obviously a bit rude and humorous too.
- nine_k 2y agoMerriam-Webster says: > as in lunatic a person who lacks good sense or judgment Not marked as rude or profane.
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- hajimuz 2y agolooks pretty convincing!
- nearportland 2y agoIs there any option for self host that doesn't get attached to the boat anchor that is 'docker'??
- nearportland 2y agoIs there any option for self host that isnt attached to the boat-anchor that is 'docker'? I want to self host this on my public self hosted environment not my LAN side self hosted environment
- byyoung3 2y agogavin belson signature edition
- mib32 2y agoHuly tut tak malo?
- zuck_vs_musk 2y agoI see 'Node.js' and I see something that's going to be unwieldy pretty soon.
- wg0 2y agoI am impressed by the laser border animations on the pricing page and that laser clock. Will check later how they are built. Amazing if CSS alone has advanced that far.
- jryan49 2y agoIf I disable JS it stops working so I imagine it's not CSS? Also there are no elements really attached to it? EDIT: Ahh it's a video, https://huly.io/videos/pages/pricing/plans/common.mp4 https://huly.io/videos/pages/pricing/plans/common.mp4
- wg0 2y agoInteresting. Probably won't scale for each screen size and they have few "video sizes"
- sixhobbits 2y agoI've long wanted something similar to this. I currently use Linear as both an ATS and a CRM, and most project management can be reduced to People/Companies, Tasks/Deals, and Pipelines. Linear is not quite flexible enough for what I need as it is too strongly in the task management camp, so I can't define a proper candidate pipeline without hacking what the "status" of each "issue" means and remembering that. Most small companies don't need dedicated solutions for project management, ats and crm, so I'd love to combine them. But I'd be looking for something more lightweight than this, maybe even local without cloud, but at least single service with sqlite or similar. Would be amazing if it was very customizable to let people build or customize their own pipelines from some basic building blocks, still keeping the slick and fast UI from Linear. I agree going after Slack at the same time is too ambitious.
- maverickdev69 2y agoWe’ve been using Plane CE and are really happy with it. For those who need a serious project management tool, I’d definitely recommend giving it a try. Huly looks interesting-might explore it in the future. I did try self-hosting, but the experience wasn’t great. https://github.com/makeplane/plane https://github.com/makeplane/plane
- Havoc 2y agoKinda curious about the requirements. 4GB minimum. Isn’t a PM platform mostly text-like? Not criticising (gitlab manages same) just curious what’s driving that.
- mdaniel 2y agoIt's almost certainly their decision to use fucking Elastic for search: <https://github.com/hcengineering/huly-selfhost/blob/1d97e9edd3ae6e68f8b0a8015955d88049add024/template.compose.yaml#L24 https://github.com/hcengineering/huly-selfhost/blob/1d97e9ed...> although I'm sure mongo isn't helping matters, either < https://github.com/hcengineering/huly-selfhost/blob/1d97e9edd3ae6e68f8b0a8015955d88049add024/template.compose.yaml#L4 https://github.com/hcengineering/huly-selfhost/blob/1d97e9ed...>
- hu3 2y agoI'm shopping for a better search engine. Any suggestions?
- mdaniel 2y agoI don't believe there is just one answer to that, because it really depends on your needs, existing stack, and skillset. Disclaimer aside, I've heard very positive things about the search that ships with PostgreSQL, and similarly positive things for the few search extensions one can add (assuming extensions are available where you're running PG) https://github.com/quickwit-oss/tantivy#features https://github.com/quickwit-oss/tantivy#features seems to be a good starting place if you want to embed search, and its https://github.com/quickwit-oss/quickwit https://github.com/quickwit-oss/quickwit friend comes up a lot, but be sure to bear its AGPL license in mind Toshi is one of the ones which is striving for ES compatibility at the search level, making it a drop-in replacement https://github.com/toshi-search/Toshi#example-queries https://github.com/toshi-search/Toshi#example-queries although last time I played with it, they were QUITE A WAYS away, depending on how deep one is in the ES query DSL And then just last week <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41797041 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41797041> we were blessed with Nixiesearch <https://github.com/nixiesearch/nixiesearch https://github.com/nixiesearch/nixiesearch> which is a pretty specialized engine but will almost certainly be less resource intensive than Elastic (or it's FOSS friend OpenSearch) Browsing https://github.com/topics/search-engine https://github.com/topics/search-engine I was reminded about a bunch that I either haven't tried or I tried so long ago I don't recall their pro/con lists https://github.com/meilisearch/meilisearch https://github.com/meilisearch/meilisearch https://github.com/typesense/typesense https://github.com/typesense/typesense https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant https://github.com/qdrant/qdrant https://github.com/valeriansaliou/sonic https://github.com/valeriansaliou/sonic https://github.com/manticoresoftware/manticoresearch https://github.com/manticoresoftware/manticoresearch
- lucifer153 2y agoInterestingly, Huly is also the sponsor of the Zig programming language[1]. [1]: https://ziglang.org/ https://ziglang.org/
- platoff 2y agoThey are working on the next generation of Hulu in Zig. However, no final decision has been made since they are also sponsoring V (https://vlang.io https://vlang.io) and Odin (https://odin-lang.org https://odin-lang.org) :)
- whyowhy3484939 2y agoProject management strikes me as one of those fuzzy complicated looking problems that, for some reason, are always approached as a single problem that needs one UI. In my mind it is not a single problem. I'd try a more modular approach because IMO a substantial part of the problem is "horses for courses": PMs and developers have very different skills and requirements. Even inside those categories there is substantial variation. I see no reason why the UI for developers has to be same as for PMs and higher ups. My ideal PM solution would involve the CLI and the notion of committing changes and being able to organize information cleverly. Efficiency, bare-boned, no fluff, no pixels that add zero information. These would all be things I am interested in. My boss' ideal PM solution would probably involve some unholy marriage of Salesforce, Excel and CSVs without any organization whatsoever in a screen that explodes with fireworks and deliberately slows everything down and adds lag and loading screens so you feel you are doing important work. You can tell I am jaded, but my point is, fine. Let them have it. I see no reason to approach this problem with one, fixed, set of interaction patterns. It's a common theme these days for me. Why does everything has to be so monolithic? Why is everything so samey?
- johannes1234321 2y agoThat's why everybody has their own Jira dashboards showing different information in different structure. Which then leads to people talking about different things. There is some need of differentiation, but also need to make sure there is shared understanding on priorities and state.
- whyowhy3484939 2y agoI appreciate the need for some semblance of uniformity, but surely we can read A Tale of Two Cities on both a Kindle and on paper without any substantial sacrifice in understanding. It is merely the appearance that I wish to differentiate, not the ontology. In fact, thanks to your comment, I strengthened my conviction that the ontology needs to be foreground and center in all cases instead of the appearance(s), which receive substantial, and IMO excessive, attention.
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- brainzap 2y agowhere can I find the api docs
- mfld 2y agoWhen I read All-In-One PM and CRM platform I must think of bitrix24, which I think is still widely used. I personally didn't like it because feature creep made the UI quite confusing.
- zild3d 2y agoeverywhere I look seems to mention a different product it's a replacement for Landing page: " serves as an all-in-one replacement of Linear, Jira, Slack, and Notion." Github repo: "alternative to Linear, Jira, Slack, Notion, Motion" Github org: "Alternative to Jira, Linear, Slack, Notion, Motion, and Roam by Huly Labs"
- Separo 2y agoMy company uses Linear, Slack, Google Docs, Google Calendar, Monday, GitHub, Discord and more. This, if it works well, would be a godsend.
- j45 2y agoHuly doesn’t seem to like to work on mobile.
- danielovichdk 2y agoAmazing. All my 25 year long professional programming career the shit around project management systems never fucking stops. Like ORMs, every programmer needs to write one. Pick one. Stick with it.
- negus 2y agoCmon, will you complain to a composer that there is a song about love already?
- komali2 2y agoI really like that you can self host an entire project management stack these days. For my co-op we use OpenProject for Issues / Kanban but it seems it has things like time tracking, wiki, and many other features we don't use because we prefer alternatives. For wiki / notion we use Outline. For slack, Matrix. For CRM, Espo. For code repositories, forgejo, but we don't self host it, we use codeberg. I think this stack would probably cost us a couple thousand of dollars a month if we paid for SaaS since we have around a hundred members. Instead we pay something like 30$/month for a couple hetzner servers through elestio. When I work full time and I get to use all the bells and whistles SaaS products like linear, sometimes I think it's cool that the tool will do something like point out I'm about to create a duplicate ticket... But thousands of dollars a month cooler? Not sure, but not my money!
- dcreater 2y agoIs there a way to export all your data from Huly?