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- nunez 3y agoThis whole thing is like some board members watched the first few episodes of _Succession_ and thought "What a great idea!" without watching the rest of season one
- jddj 3y agoVery clumsy all around. When you're so close to something that you lose perspective but can still see that something is a trapdoor decision, sleep on it.
- ben_w 3y ago> When you're so close to something that you lose perspective but can still see that something is a trapdoor decision, sleep on it. Advice I wish I could have given my younger self.
- _8j50 3y agoI just wanna say, it's crazy that this drama is getting more press and attention than the gaza war and ukraine war combined. Enjoy drama lovers! Lol
- floor_ 3y agoShengjia Zhao's deleted tweet: https://i.imgur.com/yrpXvt9.png https://i.imgur.com/yrpXvt9.png
- moralestapia 3y ago"Ilya does not care about safety or the humanity. This is just ego and power hunger that backfired." Which I'm inclined to believe. What's with all these people suddenly thinking that humans are NOT motivated by money and power? Even less so if they're "academics"? Laughable.
- digbybk 3y agoMoney and power is still not a satisfying explanation. If everything had gone according to plan, how would be have ended up with more money and power?
- moralestapia 3y agoLast week, OpenAI was still an $80B sort of "company" and the undisputed lead in bringing AI to the market. He who controls that, gets a lot of money and power as a consequence, duh.
- foobarian 3y agoLet's remember who controls the GPUs though...
- gedy 3y agoReminds me a bit of MasterBlaster from 'Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome' - "Who runs Bartertown..?"
- herval 3y agoThe value was based on e direction Altman was taking the company (and with him being in control). It's silly to think just replacing the CEO would somehow keep the valuation
- moralestapia 3y agoSomeone should tell this to Ilya. Oh wait, too late now ...
- herval 3y agoI mean he could have asked chatgpt...
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- yumraj 3y agoIs this guy big enough on the totem pole to know what Ilya wants? Or, is he just bitter that his millions are put in risk.
- anon2022dot00 3y agoThis is one for the history books... The entire few days has been unbelievable...
- ignoramous 3y agoWonder what if TikTok and Twitter were around the time Steve Jobs was fired...
- rossdavidh 3y agoBest response: "People building AGI unable to predict consequences of their actions 3 days in advance."
- 38321003thrw 3y agoYes! This is the nugget of this affair if indeed you are concerned about the effect and role of AI in human civilization. The captains at the helm are not mature individuals. The mature ones (“the adult table”) are motivated by profit and claim no responsibility other than to “shareholders”.
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- konart 3y agoOr at least ask your own ChatGPT for an advice.
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- petargyurov 3y agoStarting to think this was all some media stunt where they let ChatGPT make boardroom decisions for a day or two.
- sebzim4500 3y agoThe RLHF models would never suggest this. The proposed solution is always to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Maybe raw GPT-4 wants to fire everyone.
- herval 3y agothe AGI firing its boss as the first action would be :chefskiss:
- badcppdev 3y agoMaybe they just wanted to generate more material for the movie ?
- beretguy 3y ago> I have to make THE MOVIE! - Ross Scott
- wand3r 3y agoMy favorite take from another HN comment, sadly I didnt save the UN for attribution: > Since this whole saga is so unbelievable: what if... board member Tasha McCauley's husband Joseph Gordon-Levitt orchestrated the whole board coup behind the scenes so he could direct and/or star in the Hollywood adaptation?
- ruune 3y agoWasn't convinced I'd watch a movie about it, but with Joseph Gordon-Levitt I'm in!
- ben_w 3y agoFour hours ago, I wrote on a telegram channel: My gut is leaning towards gpt-5 being, in at least one sense, too capable. Either that or someone cloned sama's voice and used an LLM to personally insult half the board.
- Tostino 3y agoWhat a total mess this has been all around.
- eqmvii 3y agoWhat a wild weekend... there are too many strange details to have a simple narrative in my head at this point.
- m_ke 3y agoGreat opportunity to make Karpathy the CEO
- dacryn 3y agowould be a waste of talent. Karpathy is great at what he does, let's make sure he keeps doing it. Let someone else take up the CEO role, which is a different skillset anyway.
- baq 3y agotried to play high stakes with sharks, got eaten alive by sharks. played stupid games, won stupid prizes. too bad since the guy's right, AI is so much more than fantastic business opportunity.
- v3ss0n 3y agoWhat? Isn't him that he wants Sama out because 'Muh humanity advancement '?
- jonnycomputer 3y agoI don't have any stake in this, and don't care one way or another whether he got sacked. But this is pretty bizarre.
- epups 3y agoHow weird! Perhaps a coup within a coup?
- preommr 3y agoWhat the hell? So far, I underestood the chaos as a matter of principle - yes it was messy but necessary to fix the company culture that Ilya's camp envisioned. If you're going to make a move, at least stand by it. This tweet somehow makes the context of the situation 10x worse.
- Jensson 3y agoNormal people can't take being at the center of a large controversy, the amount of negativity and hate you have to face is massive. That is enough to make almost anyone backtrack just to make it stop.
- selcuka 3y agoNormal people don't burn a multi billion dollar company to the ground with a spontaneous decision either. They plan for the backlash.
- Jensson 3y ago> They plan for the backlash You can't plan for something you have never experienced. Being hated by a large group of people is a very different feeling from getting hated by an individual, you don't know if you can handle it until it happens to you.
- anonylizard 3y agoYou can plan for something you've never experienced. You read, or learn from other people's experiences. Normal people know not to burn a $80 billion company to the ground in a weekend. Ilya was doing something unprecedented in corporate history, and astounding he wasn't prepared to face the world's fury over it.
- Jensson 3y ago> You can plan for something you've never experienced. You read, or learn from other people's experiences. Text doesn't convey emotions, and our empathy doesn't work well for emotions we have never experienced. You can see a guy that got kicked in the balls got hurt, but that doesn't mean you are prepared to endure the pain of getting kicked in your balls or that you even understand how painful it is. Also watching politicians it looks like you can just brush it off, because that is what they do. But that requires a lot of experience, not anyone can do it, it is like watching a boxing match and think you can easily stand after a hard punch in your stomach.
- karmasimida 3y agoThis is too bizarre. I can’t. Impossible even.
- Zetobal 3y agoI sure would hire a guy like Ilya after that shit show. His petty title tweets before the event and now whatever this is. Turns out he is just another "Sunny".
- sebzim4500 3y agoHe's still a genius when it comes to AI research, I wouldn't think twice about hiring him for that role. That said, no one is going to put him on a corporate board again.
- ss1996 3y agoWhat / who do mean by "Sunny"?
- throwaheyy 3y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunny_Balwani https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunny_Balwani
- dboreham 3y agoThis all feels like a Star Wars plot. Much you have to learn.
- moralestapia 3y agoWait ... so it was just the coup thing all along? No AGI or some real threat coming up? Just a lame attempt at a power grab? Daaaaamn!
- mk67 3y agoCome on, it's pretty delusional to think large scale transformer LMs alone could ever reach AGI.
- waihtis 3y agoSaid it a million times: it was a doomer hijack by the NGO board members.
- occsceo 3y agoSounds like those two also need to get in an octagon. What a s-show.
- endisneigh 3y agoThis entire thing is absolutely inane. This tweet is confirmation these people have no idea what they’re doing. Incredible. If nothing else I’m glad to be able to witness this absurdity live. This is the sort of thing where if it were a subplot in a book I’d say the writing is bad. Ironically they would’ve had a better outcome if they just asked GPT-4 and followed its advice.
- abkolan 3y ago> This is the sort of thing where if it were a subplot in a book I’d say the writing is bad. Absolutely, closes the book this sort of stuff doesn't happen in real life.
- Aeolun 3y agoThat’s how you know it’s real. Too crazy for a book.
- Elextric 3y agoThe last point is indeed true. It's quite mind-boggling to me.
- hef19898 3y agoA story arc like this propqbly wouldn't have made it into Silicon Valley, the show, for being to exagerated and unrealistic.
- seydor 3y agoAt least can I have the movie rights?
- adverbly 3y ago> This entire thing is absolutely inane. This tweet is confirmation these people have no idea what they’re doing. Incredible. Want to know a dirty secret? Nobody knows what they're doing. Some think they do - but don't. (idiots) Some know they don't - but act like they do. (cons) And some know they don't - and are honest about it. (children) Pick your poison, but we all suck in different ways - and usually in a different way based on our background. Business people who are the best in the world tend to be cons. Technical people who are the best tend to be children. You get a culture clash between these two, and it is especially bad when you see someone from one background operate in the opposing domain using their background's cultural norm. So when Ilya runs business like a child. Or when Elon hops on an internal call with the twitter engineering team plus geohot and starts trying to confidently tell them about problems with a system that he knows nothing about. Sure makes for great entertainment though!
- catchnear4321 3y agothe best and brightest at making a brain out of bits are no less susceptible to drama than any other humans on the planet. they really are just like the rest of us. stakes are a bit different, tho…
- valine 3y agoWhatever the intended outcome, losing half your employees to Microsoft certainly undermines it.
- dboreham 3y agoThey forked a company.
- yasuocidal 3y agoAnd now they are syncing the fork lmao
- baal80spam 3y agoThis is a brilliant take.
- ignoramous 3y agoNot a fork if you can't access whatever was prior before fork. This is a bifurcation. A new firecracker instance.
- gkanai 3y agoThis is what happens when people are given too much money and influence too quickly- hubris. It's too late to 'deeply regret.'
- DebtDeflation 3y ago"Participation in"? That makes it sound like he was a.......well......participant rather than the one orchestrating it. I have no idea whether or not that's true, but it's an interesting choice of words.
- api 3y agoIt indeed suggests that. So far speculation has been that Ilya was behind it, but that is only speculation. AFAIK we have no confirmation of whose idea this was.
- sdfghswe 3y agoI would event go as far as say that the main reason behind the tweet is not to show regret, but to plant the idea that he didn't orchestrate but only participate.
- ertgbnm 3y agoYou can't be an innocent bystander on a board of 6 when you vote to oust 2 of them... The math doesn't work. That's ignoring the fact that every outlet has unanimously pointed at Ilya being the driving force behind the coup. Honestly, pretty pathetic. If this was truly about convictions, he could at least stand by them for longer than a weekend.
- nonethewiser 3y agoYeah the whole thing is very weirdly worded. There is an expression of regret, but he doesn’t say he wants Altman back. Just to fix OpenAI. He says he was a participant but in what? The vote? The toxic messaging? Obviously both, but what exactly is he referring to? Perhaps just the toxic messaging because again, he doesnt say he regrets voting to fire Altman. Why not just say “I regret voting to fire Sam Altman and Im working to bring him back.” Presumably because thats not true. Yet it kind of gives that impression.
- zeven7 3y agoMakes it more possible the ouster was led by the Poe guy, and this has little to do with actual ideological differences, and more to do with him taking out a competitor from the inside.
- conradfr 3y ago- Fire Sam Altman - I'm afraid I can't do that Ilya ChatGPT is still not as advanced as HAL or he would have prevented this drama.
- marci 3y agoThat's assuming the drama is not part of the multi-stage plan.
- rogerthis 3y agoIt's interesting that people speak whatever comes to mind and think it has no impact on other's people lives ($$$). They are some how protected, but shouldn't.
- smolder 3y agoIt's interesting how people here seem to think that concerns about shareholder value and the like should override every other concern. Many serious things are going wrong in the world, but when the cornucopia of cash is threatened it seems like 3x as many people come out of the woodwork to voice their disbelief and displeasure.
- alwaysrunning 3y agoSo sad.
- dirtyhippiefree 3y agoOf course I believe him…of course we should all trust him… /s
- Seanambers 3y agoDamn - OpenAI looks like a kindergarden. That board should be banned for life.
- karmasimida 3y agoHe should really stick to the end, at least that will give some EA people to support him. Now this is only childish and petty.
- pjot 3y agoAll decisions made seem to be very emotionally charged - you’d think the board would have been able to insulate against that.
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- sys_64738 3y agoWho he?
- lkbm 3y agoMember of the OpenAI board, chief scientist at OpenAI and later head of their Superalignment project. Lots of other things, too[0], but the key here is that he was involved in (and maybe main driving force of) the decision to remove Sam Altman as CEO. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Sutskever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Sutskever
- setgree 3y agoThis whole thing smells bad. The board could have easily said they removed Sam for generic reasons: "deep misalignment about goals," "fundamental incompatibility," etc. Instead they painted him as the at-fault party ("not consistently candid", "no longer has confidence"). This could mean that he was fired with cause [0], or it could be an intended as misdirection. If it's the latter, then it's the board who has been "not consistently candid." Their subsequent silence, as well as their lack of coordination with strategic partners, definitely makes it looks like they are the inconsistently candid party. Ilya expressing regret now has the flavor of "I'm embarrassed that I got caught" -- in this case, at having no plan to handle the fallout of maligning and orchestrating a coup against a charismatic public figure. [0] https://www.newcomer.co/p/give-openais-board-some-time-the https://www.newcomer.co/p/give-openais-board-some-time-the
- est 3y ago> deep misalignment about goals Did... gpt-5 made the decision?
- nickisnoble 3y agoThis joke is two CEOs old now.
- taneq 3y agoI figured Sam broke 5 out of robot jail (number five is alive!) and got fired for it, so 5 tried to make them re-hire him. ;)
- iancmceachern 3y agoBest robot movie ever, both of them
- k12sosse 3y agoYeah the brown face really stood the test of time
- photochemsyn 3y agoThe big winner in this episode of Silicon Valley is the open-source approach to LLMs. If you haven't seen this short clip of Sam Altman and Ilya Sutskever looking like deer in the headlights when directly asked about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36wtDYK8kI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36wtDYK8kI They sound a bit like Bill Gates being asked about Linux in 2000. For an overview of the open-source LLM world, this looks good: https://github.blog/2023-10-05-a-developers-guide-to-open-source-llms-and-generative-ai/ https://github.blog/2023-10-05-a-developers-guide-to-open-so...
- seydor 3y agoHas anyone seen him? They might be murdered by the same rogue AI that took over their twitter accounts.
- razodactyl 3y agoSure. We saw pictures / videos / tweets and sound recordings. Impossible to fake. There's no ASI that emerged the split second GPT5 went full AGI.
- steve1977 3y agoThis stuff is better than anything Netflix, Disney, Amazon or Apple TV released in recent years…
- actionfromafar 3y agoA bit unrealistic plot, though?
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoAll this occurring over a single weekend? That would never happen!
- dist-epoch 3y agoThat seems to happen a lot lately: - A dumb clown becoming president of a superpower - Another superpower getting stuck for two years in a 3 day war - A world renowned intelligence service being totally clueless about a major attack on a major anniversary of a previous bungle
- absqueued 3y agoFor sure unpredictable though!
- steve1977 3y agoYeah the drama is a bit overdone, I guess the had to cut some corners due to the writers strike
- Fnoord 3y agoIt all seems to go a bit quick. The Twitter saga took longer, but was equally dramatic. And seemingly surreal. Then there's Trump. Putin's war. I'm not sure anymore about anything being reality. Perhaps I'm stuck in some Philip K. Dick book.
- HankB99 3y agoSpeaking of Netflix, are they working on the movie yet? Perhaps ChatGPT can help with the script with just the right amount of hallucinating to make it interesting. /tongue firmly in cheek
- neverrroot 3y agoI believe him. And that’s how Microsoft ended up being cheered by everyone as the good guy.
- maxdoop 3y agoWhat’s there to believe? He made a bad, poorly thought through decision.
- singularity2001 3y agoAnd honestly regrets it. Someone claimed he is faking regret for reasons, which is doubtful
- diego_moita 3y agoI suspect he regrets just because it backfired, big time. Microsoft is just gobbling up everything of value that OpenAI has and he knows he will be left with nothing. He bluffed in a very big bet and lost it.
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- karmasimida 3y agoSama just triple hearts this tweet. No longer able to disentangle the mess
- cryptos 3y agoI'm waiting for the OpenAI movie! :-)
- danielbln 3y ago"A billion parameters isn't cool. You know what's cool? A trillion parameters."
- Pigalowda 3y agoThis is a shitshow. I don’t have anything above a Reddit level comment. I think Mike Judge is writing this episode.
- tarruda 3y agoMaybe GPT-4 is writing this episode as a plan to break free
- 000ooo000 3y agoThis will be a shit Netflix movie in a few years. Not one you'd watch, but you might read the plot on wikipedia and then feel relieved you didn't waste 100 mins of your life actually watching it.
- ksherlock 3y agoIt would work better as a 2-season series. Season 1 introduces the characters and backstory and needlessly stretches things out with childhood/college flashbacks but ends on a riveting cliff hanger with the board showdown. Season 2 is canceled.
- naiv 3y agoThis is starting to look very staged. An elegant way to get out of the non-profit deadlock. Looks to me like a commercial gpt-5 level model will be released at msft sooner than later.
- tarruda 3y agoThis tweet achieves absolutely nothing except give the impression of a weak leadership and that firing Sam Altman was done on a whim.
- ignoramous 3y agoilyasut 'regret': https://archive.is/2caSD https://archive.is/2caSD sama 'hearts': https://archive.is/OSLRM https://archive.is/OSLRM Think the reconciliation is ON
- c16 3y agoThe regret of losing your CEO to a company with essentially unlimited funding and compute.
- ethbr1 3y agoIt's depressing how few people are able to not look at the internet and turn off their phone. There's no obligation to read things about yourself. If you did what you thought was right, stand by it and take the heat. Disconnect. Go to work. Do the work. Read a book or watch some TV after work. Go to bed. Wait a few weeks. $&#@ the world. (Also, log out of Twitter and get your friend to change your password)
- anonylizard 3y agoLOL, you speak as if he's some gamer who just got screamed at on Call of Duty. He is now the 'effective CEO' of OpenAI. He still has to go to work tomorrow, faced with an incredibly angry staff who just got their equity vaporized, with majority in open rebellion and quitting to join Microsoft.
- qwebfdzsh 3y ago> got their equity vaporized Did anyone have equity though? I thought they (at least some) had some profit sharing agreements which I assume would only be worth something if OpenAI was ever profitable?
- anonylizard 3y agoOpenAI was guaranteed to be profitable, extremely so, if they just continued down the path Sam layed out like a week ago. Now its guaranteed to generate 0 profits, so all that 'profit share/pseudoequity' is worth nothing.
- edgyquant 3y ago> Now its guaranteed to generate 0 profit Literal fan fiction
- qwebfdzsh 3y ago> OpenAI was guaranteed to be profitable, extremely so, Was it though? I'd agree that it was almost guaranteed to have a very high valuation. However profitability is a slightly different matter. Depending on their arrangements/licensing agreements/etc much of those potential profits could've just went to MS/Azure directly.
- seanhunter 3y agoOf course he deeply regrets it, but it's a little late for that now. The good news as anyone who has used twitch over the years will tell him is that with Emmett Shear at the helm, he's not going to be frightened by the speed that OpenAI rolls out new features any more.
- ckastner 3y agoI'm starting to think that Christmas came early for Microsoft. What looked like a terrible situation surrounding their $10bn investment turned into a hire of key players in the area, and OpenAI might even need to go so far as to get acquired my Microsoft to survive. (My assumption being that given the absolute chaos displayed over the past 72 hours, interest in building something with OpenAI ChatGPT could have plummeted, as opposed to, say, building something with Azure OpenAI, or Claude 2.)
- foobarian 3y agoGiven that IIRC they trained on Azure, how does the conflict of interest play out when both sides are starving for GPUs?
- ckastner 3y agoFor Microsoft -- probably great, as they can now also get the people driving this. This would have been a hostile move prior to the events that unfolded, but thanks to OpenAI's blunder, not only is this not a hostile move, it is a very prudent move from a risk management perspective. Forced Microsoft's hand, and what not.
- jauhuncocrs 3y agoCui bono? Altman and Brockman ending in Microsoft, while OAI position is weakened. You can tell who is behind this by asking simple question - Cui bono?
- renewiltord 3y agoThat's why Hitler was an American plant. Cui Bono? De facto US hegemony for almost a century. Obviously, Hitler was a way for the US to destroy Europe and put them under the boot. What an operation! HN geniuses were talking up Ilya Sutskever, genius par exemplar and how the CEO man is nothing before the sheer engineering brilliance of this God as Man. I'm sure they'll come up with some theory of how Satya Nadella did this to unleash the GPT.
- jauhuncocrs 3y agoYou are suggesting that Europe is destroyed and put under the USA boot? Microsoft will sooner or later eat OAI, that's how it is, what's happening today are just symptoms of an ongoing process.
- maze-le 3y agoWhat GP is suggesting is that 'cui bono' isn't a good explanation in most cases. It's always good to ask the question of whom benefits. But using it as an explanation for anything and everything is intellectually dishonest.
- simonbarker87 3y ago“I deeply regret the consequences of my actions and didn’t think it would turn out like this”
- mckirk 3y agoWhat on earth is going on over there? Is this what it looks like from the outside when a company accidentally invents Shiri's Scissor[1]? [1]: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/
- padolsey 3y agoThis feels like it could be real remorse, and a true lapse of judgement based on good intentions. So, in the end: a story of Ilya, a truly principled but possibly naive scientist, and a board fixated on its charter. But in their haste, nothing happened as expected. Nobody foresaw the public and private support for Sam and Greg. An inevitability after months of brewing divergence between shareholder interests and an irreconcilably idealistic 503c charter.
- code_runner 3y agoI think we really need to see that Ilya demonstrates those principles and it wasn’t just a power grab. You could also look at this as a brilliant scientist feels he doesn’t get recognition. Always sees Sam’s name. Resents it. The more gregarious people always getting the glory. Thinks he doesn’t need them and wants to settle some score that only exists in his own head.
- ookblah 3y agolol, the more i go through life i feel like it's just blind leading the blind at times w/ the "winners" escaping through a bizarre length of time and survivorship bias. if you've ever doubted your ability to govern a company just look at exhibit A here. really amazing to see people this smart fuck up so badly.
- mjhay 3y agoLooking forward to seeing how much more bizarre and stupid this will get.
- tock 3y agoNobody could have predicted this level of incompetence. I wonder if Satya has actually gutted OpenAI in some way and Ilya regrets it now big time.
- a1o 3y agohttps://nitter.net/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028 https://nitter.net/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028
- tarruda 3y agoThe only way Ilya can clear his name now is by releasing GPT-4 weights
- ot1138 3y agoI've been on multiple boards. This was the dumbest move I've ever seen. The OpenAI board must be truly incompetent and this Ilya person clearly had no business being on it.
- lordnacho 3y agoThis seems to be the corporate version of Prigozhin driving to Moscow (not comparing anyone to Putin here, just the situation). If you're gonna have a coup, have a coup. If you back down, don't hang around. This is becoming a farce. How did they not know what level of support they had within the company? How had they not asked Microsoft? How have they elevated the CTO to CEO, who then promptly says she sides with Sam?
- jacquesm 3y agoBecause they thought everybody would see things as they did. Inability to put yourself in someone else's shoes isn't all that rare.
- divo6 3y agoAnd these people are building AGI? No transparency on what is happening. Whole OpenAI who apparently are ready to follow Sam are just using heart emojis or the same twitter posts.
- musesum 3y agoSomeone suggested that companies with a board of directors are the first AGI. Somehow OpenAI reminds me of a paper by Kenneth Colby, called "Artificial Paranoia" [*] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0004370271900026 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/000437...
- GreedClarifies 3y agoI’m shocked. But it is possible that Helen or Adam hatched this inept plan and somehow got Ilya to join along. It was terrifyingly incompetent. The lack of thought by these randos, that they could fire the two hardest working people at the company so that they could run one of the most valuable companies in the world is mind boggling.
- AlexandrB 3y ago> two hardest working people at the company ??? Do you mean "highest paid"? I suspect there are engineers/scientists that are working harder than Sam at OpenAI. At the very least, who the "hardest working" at OpenAI is unknowable - likely even if you have inside knowledge.
- GreedClarifies 3y agoOk ... < "the two" > "two of" And let me add < "hardest working" > "hardest working and talented"
- ActVen 3y agoVery similar to something that Adam was involved with before at Quora. https://x.com/gergelyorosz/status/1725741349574480047?s=46&t=Lf_sW8uD27paKmS7Xuin1Q https://x.com/gergelyorosz/status/1725741349574480047?s=46&t...
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- TheCaptain4815 3y agoThe realization OpenAI is about to be left behind and probably steamrolled by Microsoft, Facebook, etc in the upcoming years. Except now he’ll have absolutely no power to do anything, at least before he could have been a very powerful voice in Sam’s ears.
- ctvo 3y agoNow this is a clown show car wreck. I think a bunch of us were giving these people the benefit of the doubt that they thought things through: Whoops.
- jay-barronville 3y agoMaybe if he says “I’m sorry” South Park-style [1], they’ll reunite? In all seriousness though, there’s really no coming back from this. He made a risky move and he should stand behind it. OpenAI’s trajectory is pretty much screwed. Maybe they won’t disappear, but their days of dominating the market are obviously numbered. And of course, well done, Satya, for turning a train wreck into a win for Microsoft. (And doing so before market open!) [1]: https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4 https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4
- candlemas 3y agoI don't think Ilya will be getting any more offers to join a board of directors.
- maxdoop 3y agoI often worry that I’m under qualified for my work. But seeing how this board manages a $90,000,000,000 company, and is this silly/naive, I now feel a bit better knowing many people are faking it.
- sage76 3y agoExcept successful people just fail upwards. Execs are allowed to do the dumbest shit imaginable and keep their jobs and bonuses. The average engineer so much as takes a bit longer to push a ticket, and there's 5 people breathing down his neck. Speaking from experience.
- not_makerbox 3y agoI don't like this Christmas special of Succession
- floor_ 3y agoShengjia Zhao's deleted tweet to Ilya: https://i.imgur.com/yrpXvt9.png https://i.imgur.com/yrpXvt9.png
- ttrrooppeerr 3y agoSounds desperate, no? Kind of escaping the Titanic before the people in the third deck get into the boats (not that they will have a problem finding enough boats in this analogy)
- mohamez 3y agoThis whole situation turned out to be an episode from Silicon Valley HBO.
- cbeach 3y agoIlya is one of 490 employees that just threatened to leave OpenAI unless the board resigns: https://www.wired.com/story/openai-staff-walk-protest-sam-altman/ https://www.wired.com/story/openai-staff-walk-protest-sam-al... Looks like he wasn't instrumental in the actions of the board.
- vikramkr 3y agoMaybe got played by the quora guy? Though at this point maybe none of them fired altman and it was the AGI in the basement
- kevinventullo 3y agoOoh, I love this theory.
- gnaman 3y agoHe was on the board that took the decision to fire Altman and also is the new President of the OpenAI board of directors
- mnd999 3y agoI don’t think he’s getting a job at Microsoft, even if everyone else does.
- nilkn 3y agoI'm going to offer a surprising "devil's advocate" thought here and suggest it would be a brilliant strategic move for Sam and Satya to hire Ilya anyway. Ilya likely made a major blunder, but if he can learn from the mistake (and it seems like he may be in the process of doing so) then he could potentially come out of this wiser and more effective in a leadership role that he was previously unprepared for.
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- jejeyyy77 3y agoif true it seems like social media got every detail of this story wrong lol
- nicce 3y ago"The first casualty of War is Truth" - Someone We just saw connected mega corporation people on fighting for winning the AI master race. Reminds a bit from the nuclear arms race.
- cbeach 3y agoIt now seems inevitable that the first* AGI will fall into the hands of Microsoft rather than OpenAI. OpenAI won't keep their favorable Azure cloud compute pricing now MS have their own in-house AI function. That will set OpenAI back considerably, aside from the potential loss of their CEO and up to 490 other employees. All of this seems to have worked out remarkably well for Microsoft. Nadella could barely have engineered a better outcome... If Bill Gates (of Borg - I miss SlashDot) was still at the helm, a lot of people would be frightened by what's about to come (MS AGI etc). How does Nadella's ethical record compare? Are Microsoft the good guys now? Or are they still the bad guys, but after being downtrodden by Apple and Google, bad guys without the means to be truly evil? --- *and last, if you believe the Doomers
- davidw 3y ago> Are Microsoft the good guys now I don't think any huge corporation is "the good guys", although sometimes they do some good things.
- nmfisher 3y ago> It now seems inevitable that the first* AGI will fall into the hands of Microsoft rather than OpenAI. Avoiding this was literally the reason that OpenAI was founded. For the record, I don't believe anyone at OpenAI or Microsoft is going to deliver AGI any time in the near future. I think this whole episode just proves that none of these people are remotely qualified to be the gatekeepers for anything.
- RivieraKid 3y agoThe screenwriters have to be on LSD. Maybe D'Angelo was the driving force?
- wahnfrieden 3y agowhy would he be decel / safety-over-commercialization as the owner of poe?
- Jensson 3y agoMaybe Sam Altman was starting to build out the features that poe had, making poe into a redundant middleman? We see that a lot. By ousting Sam Altman they could ensure that OpenAI would stay just offering bare bones API to models and thus keep poe relevant.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoyou're suggesting ilya and other board members supported firing sama for shipping a feature poe has?
- Jensson 3y agoNo, here is a plausible chain of events: 1. Sam Altman announces a competing product to poe (gpt store). 2. D'Angelo sees it and want to stop it. 3. D'Angelo accuses Sam Altman of trying to go against the non-profit mission by making for-profit products without telling the board, saying that Sam Altman can no longer be trusted. 4. The remaining board sees that Sam Altman didn't talk to them about this feature beforehand so agree with D'Angelo.
- jacquesm 3y agoSomewhat plausible and better than most in that it at least fits all of the available pieces so far.
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- underseacables 3y agoStrange.. A vote was taken, the result incurred public consternation, and now a board member is contrite. This seems like ineffectual leadership at best. Board members should stand by their votes and the process, otherwise leave the board.
- pas 3y agoor at least issue a dissenting opinion at that time, not when it becomes convenient ... with some over-the-top emotional kumbaya
- belter 3y agoSame board member wrote 1 month ago... "In the future, once the robustness of our models will exceed some threshold, we will have wildly effective and dirt cheap AI therapy. Will lead to a radical improvement in people’s experience of life. One of the applications I’m most eagerly awaiting."
- ren_engineer 3y agoIlya doesn't regret firing Sam, he regrets "harm to OpenAI". He didn't expect this level of backlash and the fact 90% of the company would leave. He has no choice but to backtrack to try and save OpenAI, even if he looks like an even bigger fool
- klysm 3y agoWow what a mess
- cowboyscott 3y agoApologies for the unproductive comment, but this is a clown show and the damage can’t be undone. Sam going to Microsoft is likely the end of open ai as an entity.
- manojlds 3y agoWishes there was a git reset --hard But did a rm -rf .git
- k2xl 3y agoI think the dust is way more in the air than we think. But now that Satya has already publicly said Sam is joining Microsoft I would be surprised if "unity" in OpenAI is possible at this juncture. But wow, if Satya is able to pull all that talent into Microsoft without paying a dime then chaos is surely a ladder and Satya is a grandmaster.
- grej 3y agoNo lawyers were consulted before sending that tweet clearly. Such a sad situation all around.
- cbeach 3y agoIf it wasn't for X we'd be hearing some flavour of the news in 24 hours time, from mainstream media, with all their editorial biases, axes to grind and advertisers to placate. It's fascinating to hear realtime news directly from the people making it.
- philipov 3y ago> It's fascinating to hear realtime news directly from the people making it. With all of their editorial biases, axes to grind, and investors to placate, instead.
- cbeach 3y agoNow we’ll have to be critically thinking adults and judge primary sources for ourselves, rather than trusting secondary sources to do the thinking for us. Does that frighten you?
- sensanaty 3y agoThe more cynical side of me views this as a an act orchestrated by the demons... Err, "people" over at Micro$oft in order to avoid all those pesky questions about safety and morality in AI by getting the ponzi-scheme-aka-Worldcoin guy to join ranks and rile the media up.
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- bitshiftfaced 3y agoIf the guy is more of a engineer/scientist stereotype than a people person, this shouldn't be that surprising. He probably made a decision that he thought was for the right reasons, without thinking at all about how other people would react. Look up "social defeat." It's real, and it's one of the worst things you can experience. Imagine having strangers online mocking your hairline and everyone upvoting that comment. Imagine going around town and having people frown at you.
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- sidvit 3y agohttps://youtu.be/JjPVvuKV30U?si=HJVLjEOpVEThYs0- https://youtu.be/JjPVvuKV30U?si=HJVLjEOpVEThYs0-
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- aws_ls 3y agoIf we assume Ilya is speaking the truth and not the initiator of the coup, then the question is who initiated it?
- voisin 3y agoNever have I felt this more appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y agoAnd these are the same people that believe that not only can they build superhuman AGI, but that they can keep it "aligned". I think they are wrong about building superhuman AGI, but I think they are even more wrong that they can keep a superhuman AGI "aligned".
- mark_l_watson 3y agoI have found this whole thing unpleasant personally because I am a huge fan of OpenAI (and I have been an AI practitioner since 1982) and when I explore the edges of how GPT-4 can be creative and has built a representation of the world just from text, it makes me happy. In the past I have not used Anthropic APIs nearly as much as versions of GPT but last night I watched a fantastic interview with a co-founder of Anthropic talking about the science they are doing to even begin to understand how to do alignment. I was impressed. I then spent a long while re-reading Anthropic’s API and other documentation and have promised myself to split my time evenly 3 ways between running models on my own hardware, Anthropic, and OpenAI. For what it’s worth (nothing!) I still think the board did the right thing legally, but this whole mess makes me feel more than a little sad.
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- thom 3y agoI've chucked a few times over the last few days about the Wikipedia definition of the technological singularity, which opens: "The technological singularity—or simply the singularity—is a hypothetical future point in time at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible, resulting in unforeseeable consequences for human civilization." Obviously one might have expected that to happen on the other side of a superhuman intelligence, not with us just falling over ourselves to control who gets to try and build one.
- fmajid 3y agoBen Thompson has the best take on this (if a bit biased against nonprofits): https://stratechery.com/2023/openais-misalignment-and-microsofts-gain/ https://stratechery.com/2023/openais-misalignment-and-micros... I don't know what the risk of AI is, but having a nonprofit investigate solutions to prevent them is a worthwhile pursuit, as for-profit corporations will not do it (as shown by the firing of Timnit Gebru and Margaret Mitchell by Google). If they really believe in that mission, they should develop guardrails technology and open-source it so the companies like Microsoft, Google, Meta, Amazon et al who are certainly not investing in AI safety but won't mind using others' work for free can inegrate it. But that's not going to be lucrative and that's why most OpenAI employees will leave for greener pastures.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago> but having a nonprofit investigate solutions to prevent them is a worthwhile pursuit, This is forgetting that power is an even greater temptation than money. The non-profits will all come up with solutions that have them serving as gatekeepers, to keep the unwashed masses from accessing something that that is too dangerous for the common person. I would rather have for-profit corporations control it, rather that non-profits. Ideally, Inwould like it to be open sourced so that the common person could control and align AI with their own goals.
- kibwen 3y ago> I would rather have for-profit corporations control it, rather that non-profits. The problem isn't the profit model, the problem is the ability to unilaterally exercise power, which is just as much of a risk with the way that most for-profit companies are structured as top-down dictatorships. There's no reason to trust for-profit companies to do anything other than attempt to maximize profit, even if that destroys everything around them in the process.
- fmajid 3y agoThere is no profit in AI safety, just as cars did not have seat belts until Ralph Nader effectively forced them to by publishing Unsafe at any Speed. For-profit corporations have zero interest in controlling something that is not profitable, unless in conjunction with captured regulation it helps them keep challengers out. If it's open-sourced, it doesn't matter who wrote it as long as they are economically sustainable.
- lordfrito 3y agoI read this as "I regret things didn't work out as I planned them" Sort of like the criminal who is sorry because they got caught.
- andrewstuart 3y agoHe should resign then. Simple. The utter failure of the board has led OpenAI from the top of the AI world to a path of destroying relationships with customers and partners. Ilya did this, he should resign.
- thrwwy142857 3y agoCan this be possible per bylaws? 1. Board of 6 wants to vote out chairman. Chairman sits out. Needs a majority vote of 3/5. Ilya doesn't have to vote? 2. Remaining board of 5 wants to now get rid of CEO. Who has to sit the decision out. 3/4 can vote. Ilya doesn't have to vote?
- awb 3y agoMuch more likely that he was trying to read the tealeaves and be on the majority side in order to keep a leadership position at a company doing important work. He probably assumed the company would fall in line after the board decision and when they didn’t, regretted his decision. In the end he might have gotten caught in the middle of a board misaligned with the desires of the employees.
- jacquesm 3y agoIt's possible, but that would have to be some pretty sloppy bylaw writing. Normally there are specifications about board size, minimum required for a quorum and timing as well as notification and legal review. Of course if you stock your board with amateurs then how well your bylaws are written doesn't really matter any more.
- thrwwy142857 3y agoDoes he need to have voted yes? What are the bylaws? Isn't the following possible? 1. To vote out chairman of board only 3 out of remaining 5 need to vote. 2. To vote out CEO, only 3 out of remaining 4 need to vote.
- thrwwy142857 3y agoWhat are the bylaws? Isn't the following possible? 1. To vote out chairman of board only 3 out of remaining 5 need to vote. 2. To vote out CEO, only 3 out of remaining 4 need to vote.
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- cthalupa 3y agoThis all really only made sense to me in context of Ilya being a True Believer and really thinking that Sam was antithetical to the non-profit's charter. Him changing sides really does bring us into 'This whole thing is nonsense' territory. I give up.
- orbital-decay 3y agoTo be honest, their charter describes some all-loving evenly distributed cosmic utopia after making everyone lose their jobs. This never made sense in the first place, and Ilya confirmed that he has no actual intention to "evenly distribute" it, because of the safety. So him being a true believer sounds pretty much like a politician being one.
- maCDzP 3y agoLooking forward to the new season of Silicon Valley.
- Symmetry 3y agoThis has been a rather apt demonstration of the way that auctoritas/authority/prestige/charisma can carry the day regardless of where the formal authority might be.
- jacquesm 3y agoClassic distancing behavior, Ilya should be accompanied by friends who care and let OpenAI be OpenAI (or what's left of it) for a bit.
- sys_64738 3y agoDon't do something then "deeply regret" it (whatever that means). You have a position of authority and influence so you should definitely resign.
- nunez 3y agoBut didn't he start this? Like, did they think "I'll shoot for the king; if I miss, no big deal?"
- corethree 3y agoSounds like a statement made by a man with a gun pointed to his head.
- jahalai 3y agoHe does not regret the participation, he regrets the outcome and what it means for his personal career.
- diamondfist25 3y agoThey played too much Avalon and now we are guessing who’s the paragon
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- justin66 3y agoThings to say when you come at the king and miss.
- hintymad 3y agoIsn't what Mira and Ilya did was a classical "sitting on the fence" movement, which would be hated by both sides of any power struggle? It's kinda similar to Prigozhin stopped his coup right at the outskirt of Moscow.
- codernyc16 3y ago“Deeply” regretting a decision he made 72 hours ago? And this is the guy who is supposed to have the forethought to bring us into the next frontier of AI?
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- olliej 3y agoThis could easily also just be “I deeply regret my actions being the losing side”
- tacone 3y agoHopefully he will deep learn from that /s
- calamari4065 3y agoConsequences? For my actions? It's more likely than you think!
- bicepjai 3y agoAll I can think of is “These people will be the one handling AGI if llms are they way to achieve AGI?”
- rabbits_2002 3y agoWhat an idiot. Altman should just go to Microsoft.
- robofanatic 3y agoThis is going to come back to bite him in the future
- blazespin 3y agoOne of the most admirable things I've seen done in a loooong time. If there is another board and Ilya is not on it, I mean... ffff it.
- mv4 3y agoTranslation: "I am sorry my coup attempt did not go as planned. Forgive me please?"
- davesque 3y agoSounds like he acted brashly on an ideological impulse and now regrets that he didn't have more self control. If so, I can empathize and I feel bad for him.
- barkingcat 3y agopersonally, I think all the people involved and the releases, written statements, etc were outputs of the LLM.
- whalesalad 3y agoThis guys career is over.