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Thank You MDN
- kapilkaisare 6y agoIf MDN did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.
- dawnerd 6y agoIt better stay around, w3schools finally started to fall off in Google results. I feel dirty anytime I accidentally click on it.
- whalesalad 6y agoI wish I could block domains from my google results.
- riggsdk 6y agoHow I would like to avoid 5 pages of Pinterest results when doing an image search by default.
- ffpip 6y agohttps://pastebin.com/5diH8Weh https://pastebin.com/5diH8Weh Add to uBlock Origin
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- thephyber 6y agoDo you mean like this? > javascript date object Top results contain MDN and W3Schools.com > javascript date object -site:w3schools.com Top results contain no w3schools.com
- thrtythreeforty 6y agoYes, but with the list persisted across all searches. No Pinterest, no w3schools, no Facebook in any of my search results, ever.
- t0astbread 6y agoPerhaps a web extension that redirects Google requests to include the filter clause could work? See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API/webRequest https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web...
- efreak 6y agoPersonally, this list would be far too big for me. Search query length is limited, and I run up against the limit semi regularly while trying to exclude domaine and irrelevant topics.
- t0astbread 6y agoI see. Maybe a userscript to filter the results would work then? Though that's subject to how easy it is to walk Google's DOM which I don't know anything about + it might break.
- vezycash 6y agoPersonal Blocklist (not by Google) - has both chrome ext too https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/personal-blocklist/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/personal-bloc...
- jvzr 6y agoFor DuckDuckGo users: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ddg-hide-unwanted-results/?src=search https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ddg-hide-unwa...
- ffpip 6y agoYou can with uBO. Example with pinterest. replace pinterest with whatever you want, like facebook, etc. https://pastebin.com/5diH8Weh https://pastebin.com/5diH8Weh
- AmericanChopper 6y agoThe w3schools python docs aren’t bad. I was recently tutoring a family member in a level 1 compsci course that was being taught with python, and the w3schools documentation was waaaaaay easier to consume than the docs.python.org stuff.
- Havoc 6y agow3s didn't something evil in the past that I missed?
- amelius 6y agoYes, SEO-ing and content-farming their half-baked web documentation.
- brigandish 6y agoTo be fair to them, it seems they've improved a lot in the last few years. I've no problem using them nowadays.
- hbcondo714 6y agoI thought they upped their game too but it turned out to be a copycat: https://www.w3resource.com/ https://www.w3resource.com/
- whoisjuan 6y agow3schools might not be the canonical and authoritative source for web technologies documentation but sometimes I find the most straightforward answer there. They don’t deserve the hate they get. What people seem to hate from w3 is how light and loose they go about things, potentially opening some lanes for bad practices. But they have improved a lot throughout the years. Also people don’t seem to acknowledge how hard is to create non-verbose documentation. I can’t imagine the amount of effort that it takes to trim all the fat and still produce something useful. I almost get the feeling that people who hate w3schools, simply hate the concept of a resource that is trying to make easy what is by nature pretty hard. I guess that’s how great singers feel about autotune. It’s this idea that if you can’t consume the raw, hardcore documentation then you’re not worth it of using that technology.
- wy35 6y agoI agree, honestly I use w3schools more than MDN when I'm googling stuff. Most of the time I'm just looking for a quick example of whatever HTML/CSS I need to implement, and w3schools provides that perfectly while MDN is a bit more cluttered.
- codezero 6y agoThanks all - I am simultaneously heartened by the positive attitude for this often maligned site, as well as shocked at myself for supporting them myself :) Quite the rubber-band effect, but super nice to see a civil discussion about this topic on HN.
- manquer 6y agoMDN is not a guide or tutorial. It is more like a manual or reference, searching a manual or reference, works only when you know what you are looking for. Reading it like a book is better way to use it until you are familiar with it. Yes it takes more time but it pays off. Learning of the manual once you get used to it is better because, You get answers to questions that you did not know you had . It gives you a comprehensive understanding of the entire feature set, not just the stuff that looks important now . Copy pasting a implementation of stackOverflow/ w3schools etc usually keeps us in search and copy loop, constantly searching for some snippet without fully understanding how or why. Many times we end up spending a lot of time in frustration when the full solution is hack from four different places and they don't seem to work together.
- enjeyw 6y agoI too feel a bit dirty saying this, but I actually really like a lot of the w3schools docs - terrible place to learn to code, but great for quickly remembering how do to something that you totally knew at some point but have just forgotten.
- codezero 6y agoI wore my nerd badge for a while shitting on w3schools - mostly because very early on, it was filled with really wrong information, when it mattered. I think over time, that wrong information was less detrimental to learning, while still being here and there. I met too many people over the years who started with w3schools and continued on, so it became clear my sense about it was mostly dogma - if folks turned lemons into lemonade and think fondly of it, who am I to yuck that yum :)
- cleaver 6y agoEverybody has used them, but nobody wants to admit it ;) I for one, would like to know who does their SEO... they are often at the top of the results for many searches.
- enjeyw 6y agoHahaha if there's a w3schools tutorial I'd definitely take seriously it'd be one on SEO! By extension - the best SEO guide is almost certainly the first listing for 'SEO guide' on google.
- nitrogen 6y agoBy extension - the best SEO guide is almost certainly the first listing for 'SEO guide' on google. Only if you can assume that they followed their own guide. I could see an SEO company posting a fake guide to make their own techniques more effective relative to any competition using that guide.
- perryizgr8 6y agoI actually prefer w3 schools to MDN. If I accidentally click on an MDN link it confuses me for a few seconds before I realize what happened and navigate back to w3.
- duxup 6y agow3schools is plenty good now. It's not the dictionary in terms of details... but it does have a lot more plain English explanations sometimes. w3schools has its place alongside MDN, although I feel like MDN has been working hard at being a little more plain English these days / more examples.
- kgraves 6y ago> I feel dirty anytime I accidentally click on it. If it does the job, then why feel dirty?
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- ajm-codes 6y agoI'm 2 weeks into learning programming and I couldn't imagine life without MDN. It's fantastic.
- franey 6y agoI'm over a decade into web development, and I still reference it every week. Last week I thought I should start a blog post about how, for me, it's the single best resource on the web. I sure hope it stays that way!
- nomdep 6y agoMDN is great and I'm thankful that it exists. Having said that, I find the timing of this site very suspicious, as if it were part of a secret PR campaign for improving Mozilla public image, after the recents layoffs.
- brundolf 6y agoThe timing is almost certainly related, but I interpret it as the community trying to voice how important MDN is to everyone in an effort to convince Mozilla that it deserves priority, or at least doesn't deserve further cuts.
- nomdep 6y agoI got it backwards then, thanks.
- pnevares 6y agoThe timing is no coincidence, as the MDN docs team was part of those layoffs. It would be a cruel act to layoff the MDN team while also trying to improve the perception of MDN's value.
- giancarlostoro 6y agoThis is one website that like Rust requires its own foundation much like what happened with the Thunderbird mail client. This would be a great chance for Microsoft / GitHub to swoop in and maintain one of the more invaluable resources on the internet. I treat MDN like gospel when looking up anything front-end web related because it is usually spot on and based on reality. Maybe a subsidiary would better serve it and we can all put money directly towards MDN. I know there are people who don't trust Mozilla out there who might be more inclined to give to at least MDN.
- bamboozled 6y agoIs there a reason why this can’t be a group of volunteers who run it, or even those developers spin off their own foundation who would take donations ?
- manquer 6y agoit is wiki and they do welcome edit contributions. Until now there was no need, I don't think anyone thought Mozilla is not up to the task of maintaining it. I would happily donate to a foundation independent of Moz dedicated to maintaining MDN.
- giancarlostoro 6y agoThis is something else I've thought about cause I don't know if a subdisiary of Mozilla is guaranteed to not have its finances pillaged by the parent.
- madeofpalk 6y agoBecause getting paid to do good work is a pretty rad idea?
- giancarlostoro 6y agoWith the quality of content on MDN and detail, I can't imagine how much time is spent working on it from all sorts of angles. It's probably a full time job.
- jasonhansel 6y agohttps://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/ https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/
- nerdponx 6y agoI'm starting to feel like it's good money after bad.
- aslfksdfl 6y agoWould you rather they stay the same and die as a company? They've just made an incredibly hard choice.
- LaGrange 6y ago..incredibly hard choice of continuing to pump money from the company into C-level pockets. It's time to cut the losses and let Mozilla die, and maybe learn something from this.
- kgraves 6y agoPerhaps they should stand on their own two feet and deliver products that people would pay for. I am surprised they didn't consider charging Firefox Enterprise for companies.
- freeone3000 6y agoI don't care whether the company lives or dies if they kill the products I care about.
- icebraining 6y agoThose donations don't go to the company.
- paulirish 6y agoMDN statement a few hours ago: "MDN as a website isn't going anywhere right now. The team is smaller, but the site exists and isn't going away. We will be working with partners and community members to find the right ways to move it forward given our new structure at Mozilla." [0] There are tech writers from Google and Microsoft that contribute full-time to MDN. (And it's a wiki, after all, anyone can edit it!) But yes, very sadly, the Mozilla tech writers that maintain the docs, maintain them, and keep those browser compat tables running so smooth... were part of the layoffs. You can be sure that the site will find a new home if Mozilla defunds it further. It certainly won't drop off the web. https://twitter.com/MozDevNet/status/1293647529268006912 https://twitter.com/MozDevNet/status/1293647529268006912
- sciurus 6y agoTangentially, there's a similar post from the devtools team at https://twitter.com/FirefoxDevTools/status/1293678739117576193 https://twitter.com/FirefoxDevTools/status/12936787391175761... "Hi friends, Firefox Developer Tools will not be going away. We will be a smaller team and will share more details later when we have them."
- Rapzid 6y agoOh man, does that meant he developer version of the browser is on the block? I JUST found out about that too :/
- codezero 6y agoMDN and Caniuse are responsible for billions of my customers' end users not seeing JS errors in their consoles. Web APIs are fucking cray.
- oaiey 6y agoYou made my cray day better! Love it.
- trynewideas 6y agoSubsets of MDN docs are archived for offline downloads monthly by Kapeli (the team behind the Dash docs browsing app): https://kapeli.com/mdn_offline https://kapeli.com/mdn_offline I'm not sure where this leaves Kuma (current)/Yari (future) frontend work, which makes a deeper mirroring of MDN difficult to figure. I'm not sure if there's an equivalent to, say, MediaWiki's XML dumps. The CC-BY-SA content licensing can be an obstacle as well, because the attribution is "Mozilla Contributors" or "MDN Contributors" but links to the history... which is obviously complicated should MDN disappear completely.
- basilgohar 6y agoI know it's a bit pedantic, but it's disturbingly ironic that a site dedicated to show love to a free and open web development resource implores folks to express that love via a propritary comment platform (Disqus). I realize it's an independent labor of love, and perhaps evidence of the broad appeal of MDN, but I am so disappointed with how the pendulum of web features has swung so heavily back towards centralization again.
- t0astbread 6y agoI tried to comment on the actual page but disqus is somehow broken for me. So I'm just gonna say it here: MDN is such an important resource for me! I have never seen any documentation as detailed and helpful as MDN, not just for web development but in general. How does life without MDN even work??
- jampola 6y agoLast week I just started refreshing myself with Django using the MDN resources. To say the docs are great would be an understatement.
- pts_ 6y agoMDN is my go to site for web-dev documentation.
- max23_ 6y agoSame, "MDN" is always part of my web dev search query.
- b0afc375b5 6y agoIn my opinion, MDN should be the first result of search engines when searching for web related stuff. No offense to w3schools, I'm sure they've improved their content a lot, but I hate that I have to add "mdn" on my search phrase.
- monkpit 6y agoThere are browser extensions to block w3schools (or any domain you choose) from google results. Some are built to only block w3schools, some will operate off a list of domains. It’s one of the first extensions I get on a new computer.
- ffpip 6y agoYou can do those with uBlock Origin. No need to install another extension For blocking pinterest on google, use https://pastebin.com/5diH8Weh https://pastebin.com/5diH8Weh Remove pinterest and add w3schools to block them instead.
- slipmagic 6y agoJust going to plug Dash by Kapeli. There is a windows version, but it’s not as great.
- mikro2nd 6y agoDuckduckgo provides bang shortcuts to pretty-much all the different subsections of MDN. https://duckduckgo.com/bang?q=mdn https://duckduckgo.com/bang?q=mdn eta: Also the generic/top-level !mdn search bang.
- petepete 6y agoI use a Firefox keyword to directly search MDN, simply so I can avoid W3Schools who always occupy the top spot in results. For those who aren't aware, right click any search box and select 'Add a keyword for this search', set it to something short and then in your URL bar type: "<keyword> <search term>". So to search MDN for the span element I'd type "mdn span".
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- jeswin 6y agoHow does Mitchell Baker, who has a BA in Chinese studies and a Law Degree, know which divisions to axe? Mozilla is a deeply technical company doing work on compilers to internet standards - does the CEO understand the company's core tech (not politics) well enough? Mozilla was actually founded under similar circumstances. I hope engineers who work on the core product (and those who were let go) are talking about another reincarnation of Firefox - from the same code base but with different leadership.
- crispyporkbites 6y agoShe’s been on the board of directors for 17 years so she probably does have a good understanding of the company and what each division is doing.
- jeswin 6y agoI know (I'm also up-voting you). But here's an example: Mozilla folded part of the Servo team into the Mixed Reality team earlier, and now they have been let go. Many people (incl me) thought that an efficient engine such as Servo will play a big role in the future of Mozilla, with devices going multi-core and apps with embedded browser engines (like Slack, Teams) becoming mainstream. And now, we're at a dead end. The quality of talent that was let go is stratospheric, as you can see from all the interest in hiring coming from various companies. The whole thing has flopped and the browser has lost market share, and if I were Mitchell Baker I'd seriously question my ability to lead Mozilla. She can play senior roles in many companies including Mozilla, but not the CEO.
- type0 6y agoAfter seeing some interviews shes one of the most tone deaf CEOs I've ever heard, no wonder Moz://a has lost it's soul.
- geofft 6y agoShe's been with Netscape since 1994 and remained a volunteer for Mozilla after the 2001 layoffs. She was one of the people who founded the Mozilla Foundation in 2003 and has been with them ever since. Meanwhile, the degree in Chinese studies is from before C++ or TCP/IP even existed, so I'm not sure what you expected her to learn in college instead that would have helped her run a company doing compiler development and internet standards. There are valid criticisms you can make of Baker (see the compensation issue discussed elsewhere in these comments) but "She has the wrong degree" doesn't seem like one of them, unless you think that Mozilla engineers - the people doing the deeply technical work - must be required to have a CS degree.
- ausjke 6y agoMDN is more important than Firefox actually. If a fundraise is needed to keep it evolving, bring it on. Or google/microsoft big guns can do something about it? after all they will be benefited from this too.
- Santosh83 6y agoPragmatically speaking, is there a comparable alternative to MDN right now, dealing with the same scope, breadth and authority? I don't think so. You would think the supergiant corporation which keeps saying they want an open, standards-compliant web would've created something like this by now, but it fell to a non-profit's lot to do the really valuable but under-appreciated work (writing & updating documentation). MDN cannot be allowed to fail or million of Web devs will suddenly find their error rate increasing noticeably. If Mozilla corp can't spend on it, maybe they can spin it off into an independent foundation the community can donate to and keep running, like say the Linux or Apache foundation?
- subsection1h 6y agoCurrently, there are zero results when searching these comments for "specification". It's shocking how few programmers nowadays refer to the source material. During discussions on the CIWA newsgroups back in the 90s, everyone referred to specifications, DTDs and RFCs. On HN in 2020, regurgitations are considered the "gold standard", and conversations like this one include dozens of references to W3Schools and zero references to W3C. Sad.
- jolux 6y agoProgramming has grown enormously as a discipline since the 90s (not to mention the tools of the web themselves) and the specs are kind of a pain to read. I read them when I want an answer to an extremely specific question (what does the spec say about internal implementations of JavaScript objects?) but when I want things like API overviews it’s just faster to have high-quality secondary sources.
- cesaref 6y agoBack in the 90s it was assumed that specs would be written in a specification language, and we'd be able to prove our software by automated testing using the pre/post conditions. We'd mainly spend our time writing UML and thinking back to the bad old days when writing software was using old fashioned text editors like vim and emacs, and we'd be wondering how those fools managed to get anything done. Meanwhile back in reality, it's the same old.
- jolux 6y agoHaha. I was only born in ‘98 so I guess I’ll never know the feeling. Proud Emacs user myself.
- di4na 6y agoI regularly try to go read the specs. They are not built for consumption by end users and it shows. They are mostly legal documents describing all the edge cases. They have ton of fluff. Near no usable example. Are super hard to know which browser has what. And i could keep going. They are simply built for a different target. And it shows.
- sjwmozilla 6y agoIt was bound to happen since the management went sjw. I hope some less activist company hires these dedicated good people.
- alfiedotwtf 6y agoNow that we know that Firefox is in danger (and by extension the open web), we as a community must now vote with our wallets - let Firefox fend for themselves and be overtaken by a monoculture, or support Mozilla financially. I ask that Mozilla think about having the option for a monthly subscription model. No extra features for paying (e.g $5/month for Firefox), but at least as paying users we will know that it's helping to support the open web and the survival of Mozilla as a whole.
- godzillabrennus 6y agoDonate here: https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/ https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/ Hire Mozilla to be your VPN here: https://vpn.mozilla.org/ https://vpn.mozilla.org/ Those are actionable ways to support them right now.
- alfiedotwtf 6y agoMe personally donating isn't going to make any difference, but put a "subscribe" UI as part of the regular interface so a big group of people pay each month, then I'm happy for them to take my money.
- godzillabrennus 6y agoSubscribe to the VPN then.
- icebraining 6y agoNot available in most countries.
- xxs 6y agoYay, I need a VPN to subscribe to the VPN that I had no need for. I'd be absolutely ok to have yearly subscription for Firefox that ensures no braindead UI changes are shoved down.
- 0xcoffee 6y ago
- math_random 6y agothey could have just outsourced it to indians. would have saved money.
- pabs3 6y agoTo any of the laid-off Mozilla tech writers, Tails is hiring a technical writer: https://tails.boum.org/jobs/technical_writer/ https://tails.boum.org/jobs/technical_writer/ There may be some other technical writer jobs on FOSSjobs or at FOSS companies: https://www.fossjobs.net/ https://www.fossjobs.net/ https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources
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- Abishek_Muthian 6y agoMozilla's announcement said, that the COVID-19 situation was responsible for them to restructure the company. Can someone tell me how COVID situation explicitly affected Mozilla's revenue to such an extant? If anything, Internet companies were the least affected or in fact has been benefited from COVID situation. Did the donors stop funding Mozilla or are they just using COVID-19 as as a scapegoat?
- peterbe 6y agoIt has nothing to do with donors. The less people use Firefox to search Google and click ads on that, the less money Mozilla gets. 90% of the revenue depends on that. When nobody can even go to vacation destinations, they won't click those hotel/travel ads.
- Abishek_Muthian 6y agoDoesn't Mozilla get paid for search traffic, rather than Ad-conversion from that traffic[1]? Although Google's ad revenue has dropped 8.1% in Q2 2020 when compared to same period last year[2], I don't think people 'searched less' due to COVID-19 on Firefox, Google trends shows search has indeed increased, but rather these Search Engines might have cut down their deal value for search traffic. [1]https://www.cnet.com/news/google-firefox-search-deal-gives-mozilla-more-money-to-push-privacy/ https://www.cnet.com/news/google-firefox-search-deal-gives-m... [2]https://fortune.com/2020/07/30/alphabet-earnings-googl-stock-shares-q2-2020-ad-sales-revenue/ https://fortune.com/2020/07/30/alphabet-earnings-googl-stock...
- ensiferum 6y agoPlenty of companies use covid19 as a ruse and a convenient excuse.
- Trias11 6y agoWhat's MDN?
- jml7c5 6y agoFrom Wikipedia: >MDN Web Docs, previously Mozilla Developer Network and formerly Mozilla Developer Center, is the official Mozilla website for development documentation of web standards and Mozilla projects. Essentially an online reference manual for HTML, JavaScript, the DOM, and other web-related stuff.
- GiantSully 6y agohave been learning modern javascript and look up documentation from MDN
- AbuAssar 6y agoMozilla Developer Network Google it
- vs2 6y agoIs there a list of people looking for roles from Mozilla? I would love to hire a technical writer!
- mikro2nd 6y agoHow may writers contact you?
- gorgoiler 6y agoMDN is fantastic. It has some of the best cross linking I’ve seen in documentation, with many of the specific APIs having excellent links to more general topics and class overviews. It makes it both a reference work, and source of learning too. MDN’s low ranking on Google searches was part of my continuing breakup with Google. Boo! They should know better!
- maps7 6y agoI posted a message saying we should support Mozilla. I have read through this thread and now I am doubting the leadership of Mozilla. In particular, I am annoyed that I ever donated to Mozilla when the execs are taking home MILLIONS. Is there any browser to support or use that is not run by millionaires?
- Santosh83 6y agoThere are many many shallow forks of Firefox, Chromium or Webkit out there. Some prominent examples are SeaMonkey, Pale Moon, Basilisk, QuteBrowser, Falkon, Gnome Web, IceCat, Ungoogled-Chromium. They're all superficial forks though. Without progress on the core engine etc upstream, they won't be able to keep up for long. On the other hand, there is little reason to think any of the three major engine efforts (Gecko, Webkit, Blink) are going to stumble any time soon.
- The-Compiler 6y agoqutebrowser, Falkon and Gnome Web aren't forks of anything, they use a well-defined and maintained API. For qutebrowser and Falkon, that's QtWebEngine, which you could call a fork of Chromium I guess - but it's more of a stripped-down Chromium with a stable API on top and a couple of patches. QtWebEngine is maintained by multiple people employed full-time by the Qt Company: https://wiki.qt.io/QtWebEngine https://wiki.qt.io/QtWebEngine For Gnome Web, that's WebKitGTK, which is an official WebKit port (i.e. part of the upstream WebKit repository maintained by Apple and others) and also has been actively maintained for the past 13 years or so.
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- dependenttypes 6y agoI would love to leave a comment in that page but sadly they decided to use Disqus. My issue is not even that it is proprietary (which is a big issue) or that it sells your data (which is again a big issue) but rather that it does not let me log-in. Along with Firefox, Thunderbird, Rust, and Servo, MDN was one of the best projects from Mozilla, it is sad that they decided to fire people that worked on it.
- scotty88 6y agoMDN is one of those rare websites that I search for explicitly as a prefix to a query
- jermier 6y agoWho's behind this site? I don't see any credits in the footer or an about page, and the `whois` record is vague and scant on details: https://who.is/whois/ilovemdn.org https://who.is/whois/ilovemdn.org Is the OP behind it? https://www.peterbe.com/ https://www.peterbe.com/
- JacobJack 6y agoNo disqus account. So I’ll express myself here... MDN is an invaluable source of information. Very clear, comprehensive articles with intuitive examples. The web needs that.
- maerF0x0 6y agoIs there a google sheet where people can put themselves as "available for hire" like in other lay offs of the past?
- zaxu 6y agomozillalifeboat.com
- random_dork1 6y agoMDN and thanks Mozilla for making it.
- sgt 6y agoSo true, and I think it's important for developers to look up documentation on sites like MDN (consider it sites that are authorities on a subject) rather than blindly googling and ending up on sites that have a massive variety in quality. I see that all too much.
- wilsocr88 6y agoMan, I hope MDN never goes anywhere. I've pinned a tab of MDN on my web dev machine's default browser, next to npmjs.com. As far as I'm concerned, it is the documentation for the 3 main open web technologies, and I know many would agree.
- jbirer 6y agoMitchell Baker needs to be laid off as Mozilla survived without her quite well and the MDN team brought back. Just because she feels a 500k salary is beneath her is no excuse to ruin the most valuable Web technologies documentation on the Internet.
- sam_goody 6y agoIf we just hadn't cancelled Eich because he once gave $1000 to a cause that isn't in vogue, the internet might actually have two popular browsers. Instead we have a CEO who is destroying Mozilla while profiting handsomely. But at least she is woke.