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Raspberry Pi 4

• gigatexal 7y ago
  Has anyone had success using an ARM based system for local development in Linux?
  • wrong_variable 7y ago
    Depends on what you are doing.
    • gigatexal 7y ago
      Local golang work with docker but mostly as a dumb terminal interfacing with a remote k8s cluster and using the web as a reference.
      • Tempest1981 7y ago
        Can I build and run golang programs natively, or do I need to run them in docker? (I'm new to all this, also unclear on the "dumb terminal interfacing" scenario... is that specific to using Kubernetes?)
        • FlyingSnake 7y ago
          > dumb terminal interfacing I think GP means terminal access through SSH/MoSH
          • gigatexal 7y ago
            Yes this. Apologies for being vague.
    • nottorp 7y ago
      Yes, but you're running off a sloooow sd card which may slow you down a bit if you compile stuff. Other than that it's just a normal linux computer. Mind, I've only done command line and text mode editors, if you want the full desktop and a ram hungry IDE it's going to hurt more.
      • nottorp 7y ago
        Another important thing to mention: if you're compiling and logging to the sd card, buy a lot of them because they'll die on you. They're not designed for this many writes.
        • kingosticks 7y ago
          Or better yet, move your rootfs to a more reliable storage medium e.g. a USB hard disk drive. https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry...
        • imtringued 7y ago
          Why bother with obsolete SD cards then? Here is an SSD for 15€ [0]. Pair it with a 5€ USB to SATA adapter and you're ready to go. [0] https://www.alternate.de/Apacer/AS350-120-GB-Solid-State-Drive/html/product/1366606?campaign=SSD/Apacer/1366606 https://www.alternate.de/Apacer/AS350-120-GB-Solid-State-Dri...
          • nottorp 7y ago
            Also you're tripling the space needs. Add 1-2 more things and you might as well get a desktop case ;) Sometimes it's doable, sometimes not.
          • dchest 7y ago
            Or external SSD drive. I ran RPi successfully on this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KingDian-Newest-item-Portable-SSD-USB-3-0-120GB-240GB-500GB-External-Solid-State-Drive-Best/32843026641.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KingDian-Newest-item-Portabl... and also have this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KingSpec-External-SSD-hard-drive-120GB-SSD-240GB-500GB-Portable-SSD-External-hard-drive-1TB-hdd/32848432283.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/KingSpec-External-SSD-hard-d... These are cheap Chinese SSDs, so I'm not sure about their longevity. There are also similar Samsung SSDs for ~2x price. Another alternative is to get a good industrial SD card.
  • onion2k 7y ago
    I use a Pi3B+ for dev at home (working on nodejs, react, serverless etc). It's great.
  • rcarmo 7y ago
    Yes. I use mine for a lot of back-end development (I can run Ubuntu on them and Docker, and have a bunch of containers built for them as well, via a multi-arch pipeline[1] I have been adding to for a while and just cleaned up for re-use). [1]: https://github.com/rcarmo/azure-pipelines-multiarch-docker https://github.com/rcarmo/azure-pipelines-multiarch-docker
  • FlyingSnake 7y ago
    Yes, I use my R.Pi3 as a development server. I run Nginx -> Postgrest -> PostgreSQL on the R.Pi, and it has served me faithfully for more than a year. It is blazing fast ( _for my needs_ ) and I can quickly replicate and setup another R.Pi if needed in a jiffy. I can't wait to port my setup to the new ARM64 R.Pi4!
• cyberjunkie 7y ago
  Oh my! This is such a crazy upgrade. I've been using the RPI2 as my HTPC/NAS at my folks, and I'm so happy with it. I was itching to get the last one for myself. USB 3.0! Gigabit Ethernet! WiFi 802.11ac, BT 5.0, 4GB RAM! 4K! $55 at most?! What the!? How the??! I know I'm not maintaining decorum at Hacker News, but I am SO mighty, MIGHTY excited! I'm setting up a VPN to hook this (when I get it) to my VPS and then do a LOT of fun stuff back and forth, remotely, and with the other RPI at my folks.
  • birdman3131 7y ago
    I have a 10tb external hooked to my routers usb 2 port and have always been looking for something better. This looks like it.
  • equasar 7y ago
    Do you have a good guide to setup a nice VPN server?
    • elseless 7y ago
      This script is really nice: https://github.com/Nyr/openvpn-install https://github.com/Nyr/openvpn-install It sets up systemd and iptables and generates all certs and keys and wraps them up into tidy, per-client .ovpn files
    • biophetik 7y ago
      Another to check out is http://www.pivpn.io http://www.pivpn.io. Very easy to setup and use.
  • masklinn 7y ago
    > I've been using the RPI2 as my HTPC/NAS at my folks Could you provide some details? The USB-adapted ethernet & lack of wifi sounds limiting for a NAS.
    • westpfelia 7y ago
      Not OP but... If I would guess hes using OpenMediaVault? It works rather well on even gen 1 pi's.
• gloflo 7y ago
  Oh this is great. WiFi and gbit ethernet onboard is what I needed. Is USB and network bandwidth still shared?
  • mixmastamyk 7y ago
    Possibly, but usb3 is a lot faster.
  • slartibardfast0 7y ago
    "The Ethernet controller on the main SoC is connected to an external Broadcom PHY over a dedicated RGMII link, providing full throughput. USB is provided via an external VLI controller, connected over a single PCI Express Gen 2 lane, and providing a total of 4Gbps of bandwidth, shared between the four ports." Better than one could've hoped!!
    • llao 7y ago
      Oh wow, this will make one of my projects go from four raspberrys to one.
  • sofaofthedamned 7y ago
    Nope, it's completely unfettered by USB this time.
  • Arbalest 7y ago
    Nope, according to https://opensource.com/article/19/6/raspberry-pi-4 https://opensource.com/article/19/6/raspberry-pi-4 > The BCM2835-based chip in Raspberry Pi 1 to 3 provided just one native USB port and no Ethernet, so a USB hub on the board provided more USB ports and an Ethernet port. The 3B+ added a dedicated LAN chip, which gave it Gigabit Ethernet, but this was limited to USB2 speeds. The Pi 4 has dedicated Gigabit Ethernet, and because it's no longer throttled over USB, its networking speeds are much faster.
• yumraj 7y ago
  Cool. Mathematica would actually be usable now.
  • carlob 7y ago
    Does it matter as much now that one can get Wolfram Engine + Jupyter for free on any machine?
    • yumraj 7y ago
      Thanks, didn't know about that. Will have to look into it.
• kbumsik 7y ago
  What a surprise! Didn't they say RPi4 is coming next year?
  • benn_88 7y ago
    > In the past, we’ve indicated 2020 as a likely introduction date for Raspberry Pi 4. We budgeted time for four silicon revisions of BCM2711 (A0, B0, C0, and C1); in comparison, we ship BCM2835C2 (the fifth revision of that design) on Raspberry Pi 1 and Zero. > Fortunately, 2711B0 has turned out to be production-ready, which has taken roughly 9–12 months out of the schedule.
  • lysp 7y ago
    > In the past, we’ve indicated 2020 as a likely introduction date for Raspberry Pi 4. We budgeted time for four silicon revisions of BCM2711 (A0, B0, C0, and C1); in comparison, we ship BCM2835C2 (the fifth revision of that design) on Raspberry Pi 1 and Zero. > Fortunately, 2711B0 has turned out to be production-ready, which has taken roughly 9–12 months out of the schedule. According to their article they finished after 2 revisions rather than the predicted 4-5.
• Mediterraneo10 7y ago
  The addition of gigabit ethernet and USB 3.0 means that a Pi no longer feels like a bottleneck in one’s home network. I know that the Pi was invented as an educational product, but thanks to the Linux distribution OSMC it is commonly used as a media center for playing films, music, TV, etc. I have had gigabit internet for a few years now, and every day on average, I torrent a Blu-Ray image onto my main computer. However, subsequently moving the Blu-Ray to my Raspberry Pi 3 media center is always slow on two counts: 1) ethernet from the router to the Pi was limited to 10/100 speeds, and 2) the Pi could push large files to an attached hard drive only over a USB 2.0 port. Consequently, on a Raspberry Pi 1–3 it takes an hour just to move a high-definition file around one’s home network! On a Pi 4, it looks like one can just put the torrent client directly on the media center.
  • bscphil 7y ago
    I imagine the wait must be agonizing! Why not just have a NFS server on your more powerful computer for the Pi to stream the file from? 100 Mbps is easily enough to stream any Bluray.
    • jackdh 7y ago
      Can't speak for OP but I don't want my main PC on all the time if I'm streaming away from home.
      • HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
        Also can't speak for OP: I can't trust my main computer to be stable for that long, and certainly wouldn't want to rely on it for long-range contact.
    • marcosdumay 7y ago
      Not at all. The reason I upgraded my home LAN many years ago was exactly because 100Mbps is not enough to stream 1080p videos. It does suffice on average, but the bitrate changes a lot within the same file.
• peterburkimsher 7y ago
  My first reaction to the specs: Pros: + USB 3: Very nice! Finally a pocket-sized, fast USB host. + Dual HDMI: Could be useful as a projector computer. + 1.5 GHz: Good, it might be fast enough for some real work. + Gigabit Ethernet: Excellent for those using it as a NAS. + USB-C for power: Not surprising, it's the standard now. Cons: - MicroHDMI: Incompatible with the 800x480 HDMI 3.5" screen [1]. Also different again to the MiniHDMI on the Pi Zero (will there be a new Pi Zero soon? Who knows.) - Power consumption! They recommend a 15W power supply, which means I'm pretty sure this won't run on batteries. [1] https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-3-5-inch-800x480-IPS-LCD-Touch-Screen-Display-USB-HDMI-Monitor-For-Raspberry-Pi/32907399620.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-3-5-inch-800x480-IPS-LCD...
  • rs23296008n1 7y ago
    Just need a bigger battery. 15W is achievable. You'll add more weight obviously but you get the extras of the pi4. Tradeoff. As for the screen you pointed to, isn't an adapter available?
    • agumonkey 7y ago
      also, 15W is max power I suppose, how low can it go if you configure and use it for small tasks
      • gocartStatue 7y ago
        from their benchmarks: https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-06-21-15_44_14-Window.png https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wp-content/uploads/2019/06...
        • HeadsUpHigh 7y ago
          I wouldn't be surprised if downclocking it would reduce the consumption even further. Also this was with a screen+kb/m attached so that's extra.
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• downey 7y ago
  For those building toy clusters out of Pis for fun and education that 4GB of RAM and gigabit ethernet for $55 is awesome!
  • rcarmo 7y ago
    Yep. Only yesterday I updated the scripts for my Pi 2 cluster (https://github.com/rcarmo/raspi-cluster https://github.com/rcarmo/raspi-cluster), and getting https://k3s.io https://k3s.io running on a cluster of Pi4s seems like a good way to upgrade that.
  • ksaj 7y ago
    I have a ClusterHat on a pi3. I am rather looking forward to using it on a p4 since memory space was primarily the issue I had with the controller. The 4 zeros are fine because I don't run a gui on them. The extra speed between the bunch of them will probably go a long way, too.
• viksit 7y ago
  I’m not very familiar with the hardware here but could someone elaborate on why this seems to be such a big deal that there are four versions of the announcement trending on the first page?
  • pmarin 7y ago
    They remove all the bottleneck from the previous generations making it more interesting for networking and desktop use.
    • gocartStatue 7y ago
      All? What about that nasty SD card?
      • benj111 7y ago
        You don't have to boot from the sd card, so I think that's a legitimate statement. I've got an sd card reader on my laptop, it isn't a bottleneck though.
      • MikusR 7y ago
        You can boot from USB/Lan
        • gocartStatue 7y ago
          true, with USB3 and separate "pipe" for Ethernet this makes much sense.
  • cstuder 7y ago
    It's a combination of an exciting and hugely popular device gettting a huge upgrade (RAM and networking speed has previously been really limited) and the completely suprise of the announcement: The version 4 was supposed to arrive in 2020, but apparently hardware development went quicker than expected. (How often does this happen?)
  • ageitgey 7y ago
• tsaoyu 7y ago
  Every year we upgrade our autonomous sailboat controller to the latest Raspberry Pi. This year we face a situation to choose from Jetson Nano and RPi 4. Even the decision is hard to made, now is an exciting moment for robot makers.
  • snek 7y ago
    Damn I remember back when the TK1 was the new kid on the block. The nano looks awesome, I'm gonna have to get my hands on one of these!
• hlandau 7y ago
  >Are you still using VideoCore? >Yes. VideoCore 3D is the only publicly documented 3D graphics core for ARM‑based SoCs, and we want to make Raspberry Pi more open over time, not less. This stated intention and rpi.org's actions are simply not isomorphic. If they want to make Raspberry Pi more open, firstly, why do they publish only abridged (read: fake) schematics? [1] Secondly, why was rpi.org caught adding DRM chips to their optional camera addon board? [2] [1] https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/rpi_SCH_4b_4p0_reduced.pdf https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry... Note the nonsensical, incomplete nature of these schematics, and the complete absence of details such as the USB3 ports, and most of the SoC's connections. [2] https://hackaday.io/project/19480-raspberry-pi-camera-v21-reversed/log/53217-pi-camera-driver-makes-deal-with-the-devil https://hackaday.io/project/19480-raspberry-pi-camera-v21-re...
  • ben_w 7y ago
    As a previous line manager one said to me “yes, and I want a pony”. That they want to be more open does not mean they are currently fully open – in fact, it requires them to not yet to be fully open. Their primary goal (last I checked) is to be cheap, being fully open is at the very best their secondary goal.
    • hlandau 7y ago
      That doesn't follow. Firstly, I don't think I've seen any other SBC vendor fail to publish full schematics. This is a peculiarity of rpi's offering. Secondly, nobody is forcing them to add DRM chips to anything. That's not something that can be written off on "a contractual obligation made me do it." They did it of their own will.
      • ben_w 7y ago
        Counter hypothesis because I can’t be bothered to research it fully: Pi: “Hello we wish to buy a $thing” Vendor: “Certainly. We sell $thing for ten dollars per unit if it doesn’t have DRM, or five dollars per unit if it does.”
• senectus1 7y ago
  oh hell YES. this will be my next Media center!! Outstanding. Very pleased with this upgrade
• lloydatkinson 7y ago
  It feels like every time I get round to doing a project with a Pi they create a new one with literally no indication or advertising. Suddenly out of the blue a new one appears.
  • jalfresi 7y ago
    I hear you, just bought 4 rpi 3 b+ for a k8s cluster last week and this drops today. Urgh.
    • kingosticks 7y ago
      I hit this with the release of the model 3. But it is sort of refreshing not to have the early announcements and then wait for ages for the actual release. And to then either have further delays or find a half finished product that was rushed out to meet some promised deadline. Plus I like waking up to surprise rpi announcements!
      • jalfresi 7y ago
        Oh absolutely! This is great news! Just means i can start planning my upgrade before ive even built the first version lol
  • simonh 7y ago
    Presumably they don't want to get Osborned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
• agumonkey 7y ago
  They were already the most used, it's gonna be even more so. Impressive
• leemailll 7y ago
  The most important change for me is finally Ethernet is not throttled through usb2
• Moxdi 7y ago
  No normal sized HDMI sucks, I don't want to buy another adapter, aside from that this looks really cool, can't wait to get one
  • dijit 7y ago
    C'mon, a mini-hdmi<->hdmi cable is 50kr ($5), surely you can just buy one and be done with it, no adapter needed. https://www.netonnet.se/art/ljud-och-bild/kablar/hdmi-kablar/andersson-hdmi-hdmi-mini-15m-black/166806.13707/ https://www.netonnet.se/art/ljud-och-bild/kablar/hdmi-kablar...
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    • jdboyd 7y ago
      Sure I can just buy an adapter, but then I have to keep track of the adapter and always deal with an adapter hacking of the board making it more awkward to handle.
    • llao 7y ago
      The cheapest maybe, but don't I need to watch for specs and DRM features and everything?
      • dijit 7y ago
        As long as the cable supports your preferred "version" of HDMI, it should be fine, that cable supports 1.4. So it's not rated for 4k, but it will support all the DRM stuff.
        • Mindwipe 7y ago
          Not that it's terribly relevant, as the board doesn't support the DRM stuff anyway.
      • matthewmacleod 7y ago
        HDMI to micro-HDMI is just a straight passive adapter - only the physical shape of the port is different, and feature support isn’t really a thing. In this case it’s obviously done because the HDMI connector is annoyingly bulky if you want two of them, though I’m surprised a stacked connector wasn’t a better option.
• mrnage 7y ago
  Does anybody know if the ethernet controller supports PXE boot?
  • colechristensen 7y ago
    Network booting is supported. I don't know if the architecture is similar enough to the x86 bios loading network card option roms that one could say the "ethernet controller supports" it. Booting on ARM is different. https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/net_tutorial.md https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry...
  • gsich 7y ago
    yes. rpi3 could do it, 2 with bootloader on sd card.
  • mschuster91 7y ago
    There are u-boot forks that support RPi ethernet. https://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot https://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot
  • bchanudet 7y ago
    This blog post[0], says that it's not yet supported by the RPi 4, but that it's coming in a future firmware ugprade. [0] https://blog.mythic-beasts.com/2019/06/22/raspberry-pi-on-raspberry-pi/ https://blog.mythic-beasts.com/2019/06/22/raspberry-pi-on-ra...
• leemailll 7y ago
  The full specs and benchmark link: https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-4-specs-benchmarks/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-4-specs-bench...
  • tmikaeld 7y ago
    Minimum 2x performance over previous gen(s) on every test with only ~1W extra power draw. That's seriously impressive!
    • ryuukk_ 7y ago
      they are better, modern, more efficient and cheaper CPUs in 2019 the fact that they decided to go with a 2015 inefficient one is kinda strange
      • frabert 7y ago
        Non if you consider the need of developing open drivers for them
      • imtringued 7y ago
        Modern SoCs cost more than $35.
      • gambiting 7y ago
        >>they are better, modern, more efficient and cheaper CPUs in 2019 Name one?
        • ac29 7y ago
          They're possibly thinking about something like the Amlogic S922X. A 12nm SoC with Quad A73 and Dual A53, its definitely more modern and more efficient, though "better" is pretty subjective. As implemented in the Odroid N2 [0], its not cheaper at $79 with 4GB RAM, compared to Raspi 4's $55 (or $63 and $45 for 2GB, respectively). Hard to say if they cut the board down to remove all the things Raspi doesnt support and scaled up to Raspi scale if they could match the price. If not, it'd likely be close. [0] https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram/ https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram/
• bscphil 7y ago
  > 4K! I'm very excited about these upgrades too (especially GigE), but as far as I can tell nothing on this news page specifies whether the Pi will also support HDR output as part of the 4K upgrade. That's most of the practical benefit of 4K - that 4K releases tend to come with HDR10 or DolbyVision support. Anyone know if we can expect HDR output to work? If I knew it supported that I'd be purchasing one right now to upgrade my media center from my current Pi 3 setup. Even the tech specs page says nothing about 10bit decoding, which is required for most real world 4K HEVC video. > H.265 (4kp60 decode), H264 (1080p60 decode, 1080p30 encode) https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/specifications/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/...
  • iruoy 7y ago
    The Raspberry Pi 4 B uses ARM VideoCore IV. As far as I can find HDR will only come in the updoming VideoCore V. So no. No HDR yet.
    • bscphil 7y ago
      That's really too bad. It makes the 4K support useless for building an HTPC, which is a common use for the Pi. As far as I can determine, several of their competitors already support 10bit decoding, although specifics (about stable HDR support) are sometimes hard to come by.
      • ggm 7y ago
        As a fifty seven year old, I don't have 4k eyeballs. agree you have a limitation, not one which is holding me back since osmc does 720p just fine, for Olde telecine mp4s of B&W movies
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        • ekianjo 7y ago
          If the screen is large enough about everyone gets 4k eyeballs.
• morio 7y ago
  Desktop performance my behind. What's the point of all that CPU power when IO performance remains in mid 2000s territory? It takes forever to boot, any time disk access occurs everything crawls to a halt. M.2 has been around for 5+ years now and would have easily fit on this design in its short length form factor. No datasheet for the SoC either. Again. There are vastly better SBCs out there.
  • reallydontask 7y ago
    > There are vastly better SBCs out there. Can you provide some examples please? Always keen to try out any alternatives
    • rbanffy 7y ago
      I'd love to see other interesting $35 SBCs with reasonable performance.
      • waterhouse 7y ago
        You might check out the NanoPi Fire3, which I think came out in early 2018: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=206 https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&... Has an eight-core 1.4GHz CPU, and is otherwise mostly comparable to the new Pi: 1G RAM, 1Gb ethernet. Has an SD card slot and no built-in storage.
        • vardump 7y ago
          8 slow in-order A53 cores. I'd much rather take RPi4's four wide out-of-order A72 cores.
          • rbanffy 7y ago
            It really depends on your use. If you plan to build a desktop replacement, thread performance matters. If you want a small cluster node for educational purposes, more slow cores are better.
• hyperpallium 7y ago
  full specs anywhere? - VideoCore VI graphics, supporting OpenGL ES 3.x - including 3.2? GFLOPS? Does it support Android, Play Store etc?
  • philshem 7y ago
    full spec: https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-4-specs-benchmarks/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/raspberry-pi-4-specs-bench... thanks to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20261084 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20261084
  • Mindwipe 7y ago
    You can install Android on it, and sideload the Play Store accordingly. Not in a way supported by Google of course.
• Medox 7y ago
  Depending on the purpose, for example if somebody just wants a compact home cloud, the Odroid HC2 could also - still - be considered: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/ https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/ - Half the RAM but double the cores. I'm waiting for some benchmarks to see if the RPi4 is faster and by how much. - Also Gigabit Ethernet and it works great. My downloads are always at 108-111MB/s for the whole transfer. - Not USB 3.0 but has "oldschool" SATA through an internal USB-2-SATA adapter. It's at least more compact, otherwise the RPi4 with an external USB 3.0 drive will probably work even better. - works with a normal 12V power supply, which could be lying around already, from older external drives. Not to disrespect the RPi4, as I'll be getting one of them too very soon.
  • StudentStuff 7y ago
    The OrangePi 3 at $40 is also pretty neat, PCIe 1x, 8GB onboard eMMC, 4x USB 3.0, Bluetooth 5, Wireless AC (pretty sure they beat Raspberry Pi to the punch on this...) and it has mainline kernel support: http://www.orangepi.org/Orange%20Pi%203/ http://www.orangepi.org/Orange%20Pi%203/
    • vardump 7y ago
      A53 SoC, new RPi4 with A72 is going to run circles around this one.
      • StreamBright 7y ago
        Unless you are doing disk io and most of your CPU cycles spent on it.
    • rubyfan 7y ago
      Software support is lacking in this device. No OpenGL, no retro gaming with the March 2019 images. Are you configuring yours differently?
      • StudentStuff 7y ago
• KingMachiavelli 7y ago
  I'm cannot determine if the HEVC hardware decoding is full 10bit or only 8bit. A lot of SDR content is encoded in 10 bit for the space savings (or so I've read).
  • bscphil 7y ago
    I asked about this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20261086 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20261086 According to the response I've gotten so far, it will not support HDR or 10 bit. :-( However, the vast majority of SDR content is 8 bit. The few exceptions are mostly a few pirate groups who mostly encode anime. Edit: this is apparently now in doubt.
    • arbaal 7y ago
      The LibreELEC developer said that the hardware is HDR (10bit) compatible and "only" the software side is missing for now. https://libreelec.tv/2019/06/libreelec-9-2-alpha1-rpi4b/ https://libreelec.tv/2019/06/libreelec-9-2-alpha1-rpi4b/
      • bscphil 7y ago
        Thanks! That's what I seem to be seeing elsewhere now too, although the main site is now down (for me), so I haven't been able to confirm as much as I'd like. I think I might go ahead and put in a preorder.
• andr 7y ago
  I wish there were some improvements in the I/O aspect of the board. Having tried to use an RPi for a small automation project, I felt limited by the single ADC input and single PWM output. I was faced with using an Arduino daughter board to do the actual IO or going with a BeagleBoard.
  • tsmarsh 7y ago
    Driving an arduino from a pi is still the way to go, which is a shame. I’d have liked to have seen more PWM too.
    • pashky 7y ago
      Look at pca9685-based i2c pwm driver boards, it gives you 16 channels and is much more stable and easier to control from userland code than RPi gpios.
• kyriakos 7y ago
  RPI would be awesome for NAS if you could connect SATA somehow
  • tmikaeld 7y ago
    The USB 3.0 ports should give 100MB/s (Benchmarks show up to +300MB/s), and you can mirror two disks for RAID-1. With 4GB of RAM, you'd even be able to use ZFS.
    • morphle 7y ago
      not these USB 3.0 ports. Connected with shared 4 Gbps, they only run at 4/5th, 1/2 or less of the full 5 Gbps speed.
      • tmikaeld 7y ago
        Which means, 2 ports and two drives (not ssd) should give at least 100MB/s each. Maybe I wasn't clear enough on that. - 1Gbit ethernet - 1Gbit USB 3.0 port 1 - 1Gbit USB 3.0 Port 2 Total: 3Gbit of 4Gbit, having some margin to spare.
        • fanf2 7y ago
          The Ethernet is directly connected to the SoC, it doesn't share the 4Gbit PCIe with the USB ports
          • dotancohen 7y ago
            On the older RPIs the ethernet was connected via the USB ports, so I understand GP's stance.
        • morphle 7y ago
          It has: 1 Gbit Ethernet over RGMII 4 Gbit PCIe Gen 2 shared by 2 USB 3.0 (so 1x 4 gbps max or 2 x 2 Gbps shared) Total: 5 Gbits, no margin to spare
• intsunny 7y ago
  The RPI4 w/ 4GB RAM is going to be a very welcomed upgrade in the emulation scene. N64, PS1, Dreamcast and PSP games will run so much smoother.
  • AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
    Does the 4 have a composite output, or is there a hat for it? My game room has a CRT and while I'd love to stick to original hardware, the price of getting it to read games from non-original media (which is getting harder and harder to come by) is pretty high. An RPi 4 could be reasonable alternative.
    • Lutzb 7y ago
      google pi2scart
      • AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
        But then I need two adapters, and twice the price of the Pi alone, so I guess I'm better off with just using an old computer. PS: Though, if I ever get my hands on a decent arcade monitor this sort of thing would be wicked cool for a MAME cab.
    • epmaybe 7y ago
      Yes, it's via the 3.5mm Jack.
    • cr0sh 7y ago
      > Does the 4 have a composite output From what I can see on the specs, yes it does.
  • kjsbfkjbf 7y ago
    I'm a complete noob when it comes to RPI, but does it emulate these games well despite not having a strong (or any?) GPU?
• marban 7y ago
  Anyone got some clues if this might be worth upgrading for a pure MAME gaming Pi?
• Copenjin 7y ago
  FINALLY. The 4Gb of RAM will be useful for a lot of stuff for those who normally used ARM VPSes.
• PakG1 7y ago
  Gigabit Ethernet? I'm tempted to grab a few and try running Pi-Hole for my whole organization (~1200 users) and see how that goes. :) I know you can set up Pi-Hole on Ubuntu VMs. But there's something so attractive to me about running it separate from your hypervisors and closer to the core switch on very very cheap hardware.... Been curious about Pi-Hole on my bigger work scale for a while, this may very well tip me to trying it out.
  • benn_88 7y ago
    Yeah, for the first time it's true gigabit. Results from iperf: Raspberry Pi 3B: 94Mb/s Raspberry Pi 3B+: 285Mb/s Raspberry Pi 4B: 930Mb/s https://twitter.com/ben_nuttall/status/1143037993957187584 https://twitter.com/ben_nuttall/status/1143037993957187584
  • majewsky 7y ago
    It shouldn't be a problem even with older Pis. Pi-Hole only answers DNS requests, which are comparatively tiny. The actual web traffic goes through your regular layer-3 network.
  • dingaling 7y ago
    Pi-Hole is a wrapper around dnsmasq, so you could just run that on your base OS with the same configuration files. Add gravity.sh if you want automated blocklist updating: https://lowendbox.com/blog/host-your-own-dns-now-with-100-more-ad-block/ https://lowendbox.com/blog/host-your-own-dns-now-with-100-mo... If you already have an available server there's no need to spin up a VM to host another OS instance just to run native software...
    • guy_c 7y ago
      Someone in the comments of that post recommends this automatically updated blocklist https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists
  • bin0 7y ago
    This seems like it could start replacing cheap firewall hardware. I believe pfsense no longer requires aes-ni (?), so it seems like a good choice for that.
• dvdbloc 7y ago
  Interesting timing now that the Odroid H2 x86-based SBC is back on sale after being out of production for many months!
• mhd 7y ago
  This looks usable for desktop tasks, does anyone have tips for a good display to pair with it, optimized for energy saving (in the 24", FullHD class)?
  • PkBuzios 7y ago
    I was thinking the same. This is a great compact and low-budget desktop
• phosphophyllite 7y ago
  WOW, if USB3 and NIC are dedicated devices (not share one usb bus) this is amazing little machine!
  • Fredej 7y ago
    According to the article the NIC is connected through dedicated RGMII - not through USB3.
    • Mindwipe 7y ago
      Yeah, this seems like a very significant improvement for a lot of applications.
• robsalasco 7y ago
  benchmarks here! https://blog.hackster.io/benchmarking-machine-learning-on-the-new-raspberry-pi-4-model-b-88db9304ce4 https://blog.hackster.io/benchmarking-machine-learning-on-th...
  • akavel 7y ago
    Thanks! I was especially interested in the cooling situation with RPi, and the article you linked to seems to provide some valuable information & further links in this regard (section "Heating and Cooling": https://blog.hackster.io/benchmarking-machine-learning-on-the-new-raspberry-pi-4-model-b-88db9304ce4#d358 https://blog.hackster.io/benchmarking-machine-learning-on-th...)
• voppe 7y ago
  This is absolutely great. The RPi was already exceptional for its price point, and this version seems to address the few problems it had (lack of Gigabit, USB speed and RAM capacity) and add onto it even more features. It almost seems too good to be true. Can't wait!
• shams93 7y ago
  I'm super excited as well. I figured out the secret sauce to get a low latency kernel build I was able to get down to 20ms latency but I'm excited to see if this can't get down to 10ms even though 20ms is acceptable low audio latency, already with only 1 gig of ram on a pi3 ardour is usable for multitrack recording, excited to see how this does with 4 gigs.
  • Firerouge 7y ago
    Do you have a write-up on what you did to achieve that low of a latency?
  • adontz 7y ago
    I would like to hear more about this!
  • danShumway 7y ago
    I would also love to see a writeup about low-latency kernels on the Pi, if you've got the time. Just recently got into audio processing, and I'm finding this stuff really interesting.
  • bin0 7y ago
    I'm going to fourth the below suggestion. I'd love to see some more about how you achieved this.
  • AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
    Forgive me, but isn't 20ms kind of a lot of latency? That's more than a frame at 60hz. I assume I'm missing some context here.
    • gambiting 7y ago
      In audio that's still acceptable. In our games we usually run at either 40ms or 60ms audio frame size(which means you are getting at least that much latency before hearing the sound for your action).
      • 7y ago
• ryuukk_ 7y ago
  so.. a cpu from 2015 and still shit memory for bad performances oh, and load of paid fanboyz to advertise this scam
  • mav3rick 7y ago
    Jeez don't buy it if you don't like it. What do you want for $30 anyway ? Don't post some obscure board from Alibaba.
• akerro 7y ago
  Have rpi fixed the interference of usb3.0 with WiFi? It's going to be really problematic for raspi https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/io/universal-serial-bus/usb3-frequency-interference-paper.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/io/uni...
• iClaudiusX 7y ago
  I'm most excited about the modern A72 cores, upgraded hardware decode, and up to 4 GB RAM. They really listened and delivered what most people wanted in a next gen RPi.
• sercand 7y ago
  I don't use even one HDMI on RPI why second? Also, it's fricking micro-HDMI why not another TYPE-C?
  • jonhendry18 7y ago
    Maybe use cases like one HDMI hooked up to a large display, and one hooked up to a small display that acts as a control panel UI? Or where one display faces away from the console user?
  • jononor 7y ago
    Digital signage.
  • whywhywhywhy 7y ago
    Type-C are expensive, it's worth the extra cost for the power stability (bad power is what causes most of the problems with previous Pis) but would increase the price if they used them for displays too.
• phosphophyllite 7y ago
  Is it possible to obtain proprietary driver for video core (in the sake of gaining extra video performance)?
• hendry 7y ago
  If Youtube hardware video decoding works smoothly on Raspbian's browser, I'll be tempted to switch.
• kregasaurusrex 7y ago
  Comparing the shipping prices across the official retailers, Chicago Electronic Distributors was the cheapest at ~$6 whereas CanaKit and Element14 were both more than $10. Also bought a USB-C charger for it since the various old phone chargers I have don't supply enough amperage to the board.
• jonplackett 7y ago
  Anyone know if you can connect dual 4K displays?
  • vardump 7y ago
    Yes, you can. But dual 4K only at 30 Hz. If using only one display, 4K at 60 Hz. NOTE: Take this with a grain of salt, though, can't be completely sure if this is correct.
• mschuster91 7y ago
  Too bad the USB-C slot is only used for supplying power instead of being a proper Thunderbolt slot with support for acting as a USB device or attaching external PCIe cards. But well, that's a thing for the 4+ then I guess...
  • cerberusss 7y ago
    Yaeh, it would be awesome if you'd be able to just plug in that RPi into a dock. We're not there yet! Still I'm very glad to get rid of any and all USB except USB-C.
  • blablabla123 7y ago
    Hm yeah, many people are still very critical of USB-C. (It obviously still takes some time to become as mature and well-adopted...) But I'm totally buying into this, all my new gadgets have USB-C and I totally love it.
  • jamesfmilne 7y ago
    It says the USB-C connector supports On The Go (OTG), which means it can act as both a host and a device. I could imagine being able to power the RasPi4 and communicate with it over Ethernet using just a USB-C cable if the Raspberry Pi 4 supports USB Ethernet 'gadget' mode, which I'm guessing it will if that USB-C port is fully USB OTG compatible.
  • imtringued 7y ago
    How is that different to the micro USB slot in previous iterations of the Raspberry PI? You could only use those for supplying power.
• oblio 7y ago
  Has anyone set up a Kubernetes cluster using several RPIs? How did it go? Got any recommendations for distributions, tools, etc.?
  • Fiahil 7y ago
    I'm using Rancher's k3s[1] on a Rock64, and it works perfectly. I maxed out the capacity recently and I was looking to add more nodes to my cluster. Looks like the new Rpi 4 would be a good addition ! [1] https://k3s.io/ https://k3s.io/
    • weavie 7y ago
      I'm curious. What do you use it for?
      • Fiahil 7y ago
        Radarr, Sonarr, Bazarr, Plex, a small Nginx, and soon a Pi-Hole and VPN. It's a great companion for an iPad Pro, so you can also use it as a development machine when coder.com finally release an ARM docker image ! (https://github.com/cdr/code-server/issues/35 https://github.com/cdr/code-server/issues/35)
  • Cipater 7y ago
    https://medium.com/nycdev/k8s-on-pi-9cc14843d43 https://medium.com/nycdev/k8s-on-pi-9cc14843d43
• LegendaryLegend 7y ago
  I've always wanted to buy one of these and play with it for a few months, even though I'm null when it comes to electronics. But life just doesn't allow me the time. :(
• MichaelMoser123 7y ago
  The book 'kubernetes up and running' had a description on how to set up a kubernetes cluster out of raspberry pies. I guess a setup with the new pies would look a bit more real.
  • rarecoil 7y ago
    I have a PicoCluster 3S [1] kit I bought to make a clean Kubernetes cluster. I just ordered 3 4GB RPi 4s for it. I'm very excited. I use an ODROID-C2 as a home server for most tasks, and while the ARM cores are sufficiently fast, with some work I run out of memory and swap a lot. I will test to see if one of these could be a suitable replacement vs. an ODROID-XU4/XU4Q. [1] https://www.picocluster.com/collections/pico-3/products/pico-3-raspberry-pi?variant=42238664332 https://www.picocluster.com/collections/pico-3/products/pico...
    • turdnagel 7y ago
      If you don't mind could you explain what your use case for something like this is?
  • odiroot 7y ago
    I run a 4x RPi Kubernetes cluster at work. Took me about 6h to set up once I figured out newest version of K3S is borked. We're gonna use them to deploy signage / dashboards all around the office.
• andrey_utkin 7y ago
  Would be an exciting upgrade for my wearable computer! Congrats RPi Foundation!
• Fiahil 7y ago
  Amazing! It looks similar to a Rock64, now!
• schappim 7y ago
  I have a Raspberry Pi 4 Model B in front of me and have just run some benchmarks using the Phoronix Test Suite. TL;DR: Prime CPU test; Pi4B: 60 seconds, Pi3B+, 80 seconds, Render test: Pi4B 27fps at 720p, Pi3B+ 16fps at 720p. Zips of the test reports: http://cdn.littlebird.com.au/rpi4/test-4-b.zip http://cdn.littlebird.com.au/rpi4/test-pi-3-b-plus.zip
  • vardump 7y ago
    Please run SD card benchmarks, assuming you have a fast card available.
    • Tepix 7y ago
      Seems to be UHS-I because it isn't mentioned anywhere.
  • bscphil 7y ago
    Hi, thanks for running this. It's helpful information. Something strange is that in your cpuinfo the SoC is detected as BCM2835, while in all the spec sheets online it's supposed to be BCM2711. Do you know if you are possibly working with a different version of the hardware? One reason this is important is that some of us in this thread are trying to work out what the video decoding and 4K HDMI capabilities are with this new hardware. In particular, the specs say the BCM2711 is supposed to be a VideoCore VI SoC, but your dmesg is showing that the vc4 driver blob is being used. If you could add any information that would help that would be awesome!
    • monocasa 7y ago
      BCM2835 vs BCM2711 is all in software, the board itself doesn't tell you explicitly. The regular vc4 drivers are just an rpc to the code running on the GPU with start.elf. I wouldn't be surprised if the old drivers just worked.
      • bscphil 7y ago
        That's probably the right explanation. Thanks!
• schappim 7y ago
  Wow the LAN improvements are wild! I'm getting on our (https://piaustralia.com.au/ https://piaustralia.com.au/) internal Gigabit network: RPi4B Ethernet: 912mbps RPi3B+ ethernet: 294mbps That USB 3.0 controller makes all the difference.
  • Fredej 7y ago
    Looks like the ethernet is connected directly through RGMII - meaning the USB 3.0 controller is likely completely out of the picture. That would mean you can run full throttle ethernet without affecting the USB speed at all.
  • askvictor 7y ago
    Can you benchmark the SD card performance for us?
• tamalsaha001 7y ago
  How usable are these $35 - 1GB versions? I have never used one. Just curious.
  • vardump 7y ago
    Useful enough to have total sales of over 25 million units. Counting all models ever sold.
  • swebs 7y ago
    Depends entirely on how you want to use it. You're not going to be opening Slack, but it's more than plenty for a KODI player, home server, VPN server, seedbox, piHole, robot controller, home automation, etc.
    • AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
      My god but this post says a lot about Slack doesn't it?
• Avernar 7y ago
  Are there better options for $35? I'm fine with the seller being an unknown Chinese company.
  • rahuldottech 7y ago
    There really aren't. There's a reason RasPi is so popular. The level quality and also that of the support out there is unmatched. If you have a RasPi and are facing an issue, a quick web search will almost certainly find you the solution. With an unknown low quality board? You're on your own.
• C1sc0cat 7y ago
  Oh my - now I do have to set up that baby Hadoop cluster I have been meaning to build for ages.
• hevi_jos 7y ago
  Wow, they solved one of the big problems with raspberrys, ethernet was terrible. Now for me there is another very important one for things that stay connected 24 hours: refrigeration. There is a need at least for aluminum cases with holes for wifi. Right now only Chinese make those, so it takes a long time to get those.
• nsporillo 7y ago
  Since the link appears to be down, you can find some good information here: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b,6193.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b,6193.h... I was also looking on Canakit and it looks like the 4GB version is in pre-order to be delivered in mid July.
  • aerophilic 7y ago
    For those just wanting specs, here is a summary from the table from the article comparing it to RPI3 (left new): CPU: 1.5-GHz vs 1.4-GHz (same cores) RAM: selectable 1, 2, 4GB (depending on which version) vs 1 GB Video out: 2 micro hdmi out vs 1 Max resolution 4K @60hz vs 2560x1600 USB: 2x3.0,2x2.0 vs 4x2.0 Ethernet: Gigabit vs 330MB Wireless: Bluetooth 5.0 vs 4.1 Charging: USB-C vs USB micro Power requirement: 3A at 5V vs 2.5A at 5V Size/weight: 43g vs 50g Note: somewhat skeptical on power draw, as RPI3 would occasionally spike higher than 3A, but we will see how it handles “brown outs”. Either way, pretty excited :)
    • ubergesundheit 7y ago
      > CPU: 1.5-GHz vs 1.4-GHz (same cores) Isn't it Cortex-A72 vs Cortex-A53 ?
      • opencl 7y ago
        It is, and the A72 has ~2-3x the IPC of the A53 depending on workload.
        • aerophilic 7y ago
          Realize I should have added that... but no way to edit original post... is there an easy way to do so?
          • opencl 7y ago
            You can edit posts but only within a limited time window, I think it's something like an hour. If you don't see an edit button you can't do anything about it.
• elliotpage 7y ago
  Can't wait to buy this, boot it up, play with it for four hours, then stick it in the same desk drawer with the other Pis I have bought over the years. (The upgrades look great, just my attention span is not so great)
  • franky47 7y ago
    I can relate. However these days I have found a new life for those abandoned Pis: I install Pi-Hole [1] on them and set them up for family and close friends. [1] https://pi-hole.net/ https://pi-hole.net/
    • TimeOutBoss 7y ago
      What else would you recommend along side pi-hole, something easy to setup and maintain like pihole?
      • mr_isomies 7y ago
        I have one with rutorrent that acts our house seedbox / file server. I also added droppy as a simple, user friendly file browser for my flatmates. Obviously, this all runs on docker-compose, because I'm a very weak man (but also, it makes managing the whole thing trivial once setup)
      • kolp 7y ago
        MotionEye OS is good as a camera surveillance system. Needs a USB camera or a Raspberry Pi camera. Takes a bit of tweaking to get the optimal camera settings (using a GUI), but then it works well. LibeElec is useful as a home theatre setup, based on Kodi.
        • cr0sh 7y ago
          Second the idea of MotionEye OS - I have one running as a camera for the front door of my house, emailing me when it triggers to my phone's gmail account. So I have a kind of running "backup" of events if anything happens. I use to run ZoneMinder on an old PC, but it was a bit flakey, way too crazy to set up for a home system; I had learned how to config and admin it over the last several years, but I was just plain tired of it. It's another great system for security cameras, but not really for a home, unless you have a ton of cameras that need monitoring, and don't mind the dedication of a beefy machine to the task. MotionEye OS is more a distributed solution. It is possible to set it up so one install can monitor multiple cameras (in some manner - I haven't played with it), but I like it as a simple single IP camera turn-key solution. It basically can turn a Rasperry Pi into a cheap wireless IP camera that isn't locked down or tied to a proprietary ($) cloud system. Using a RasPi Zero W and the cheapest camera you can find, you can build such a camera for under $50.00 USD off Amazon; probably cheaper if you shop around a bit more. The only cheaper option I've found (but it takes more to set it up properly) is the ESP32 camera modules that you can get.
• tiernano 7y ago
  bastards! just bought 2 pi 3 model B+ a couple weeks back (still in their box too) and now this... Welp... back to ordering a few of these! man, thats some upgrade!
  • tiernano 7y ago
    and the 4gb ones are already sold out...
• icemelt8 7y ago
  Serious question. What is the use-case of a Raspberry Pi, I rock my brain hard but cannot think of anything that cannot be done otherwise.
• icefo 7y ago
  I'm very happy about that ! I needed to build a low power Nas with ZFS and the only board that could do the job (gigabit Ethernet, sata IO, powerful 64 bits processor, 4GB of ram) was the rockpro64. Sadly I discovered after receiving it that it can't run regular Linux distros out of the box. I had to download an image from some guy on GitHub. He seemed reasonably trustworthy since it was linked from the manufacturer's page but there's still a small chance that my Nas is part of some botnet now. It's something that can't happen with major manufacturer's like raspberry.
  • amelius 7y ago
    > (gigabit Ethernet, sata IO, powerful 64 bits processor) The RPi4 doesn't have sata.
    • icefo 7y ago
      Damn I read the article a bit too fast, neither does the rockpro64 but it has pci-e and the manufacturer sells a sata card. An usb3-> sata adaptater is ok if the USB bus is reasonably fast. I care more about being able to update my board and trusting what runs on it than pure speed
  • leemailll 7y ago
    You can take a look at odriod’s x86 board
  • listic 7y ago
    How exactly do you plan to connect hard drives to a Raspberry Pi? Use drives in external USB enclosures just lying around? Looks a bit hacky to me. I am planning on doing a NAS to, but decide to forgo the low power aspect and use an older PC hardware. But not too old, apparently, as FreeNAS requires 64-bit and 8+ GB of RAM, nowadays, for the ZFS, apparently.
• johnchristopher 7y ago
  > Full-throughput Gigabit Ethernet > Two USB 3.0 and two USB 2.0 ports Does it mean no more shared bus and full bandwidth for ethernet and USB ? > We’ve moved from USB micro-B to USB-C for our power connector. This supports an extra 500mA of current, ensuring we have a full 1.2A for downstream USB devices, even under heavy CPU load. For each USB port ? Also, does it mean USB-C is soon to be ubiquitous ?
• anovikov 7y ago
  Great!! What about GPU upgrade? I have a client with a project which only 'kind of' works on a model 3B, he needs about 2x the GPU encoding capability. Is there a chance model 4 will be able to encode a single full HD (1080p/30fps) or two 720p/30fps video streams, into H264, even if on easiest encoding settings?
• bitL 7y ago
  Hmm, this obliterates Pentium J-based NUCs for HTPC use... And my Trossen Robotics HR-OS1 humanoid robot gets a nice computational boost! Cool RPi folks, thank you!
• k_sze 7y ago
  I really wish there’s an official 64-bit build of Raspbian to go with it.
  • mkl 7y ago
    There isn't? Hm. It seems you are right. The linked article says > New Raspbian software > To support Raspberry Pi 4, we are shipping a radically overhauled operating system, based on the forthcoming Debian 10 Buster release. which is ambiguous, but https://medium.com/pi-top/raspberrypi4-f38f12633345 https://medium.com/pi-top/raspberrypi4-f38f12633345 says > One slightly unusual point to mention is that despite the 64-bit processor, the kernel that supports the entire operating system is currently only 32-bit, for now. Raspberry Pi have assured us that this will be updated in future once things have settled down after the launch.
• scotty79 7y ago
  I had a bad experience with Raspberry Pi. After few day it stops responding (I think sometines WiFi just dies) and SD card gets corrupted despite me doing my best to shut it down gracefully (made a switch for it that when pressed runs power off command) and despite swapping power supply to recommended for Pi and putting all peripherials on powered USB hub that's dedicated for Pi as well.
  • icebraining 7y ago
    Maybe you have a faulty unit? While SD corruption can be a problem, I don't think it's that bad for most users. I only had that problem on my Raspberry (v1) when I accidentally cutoff power while I was apt-installing.
    • scotty79 7y ago
      That might be it. I think I'll just buy another one and try again.
• blodovnik 7y ago
  The latest model in top drawer computing! I'll definitely get one though. Good specs.
• techntoke 7y ago
  Does it support Android out of the box?
• joyjoyjoy 7y ago
  Impressive. And while not wanting to be a joybreak: Dual Gigabit Ethernet would have been really nice.
• laurieg 7y ago
  This looks awesome! Does anyone know where I can buy one in Japan?
  • vmlinuz 7y ago
    There are 4 official retailers in Japan listed here: https://www.farnell.com/raspberrypi-consumer/approved-retailers.php#apac https://www.farnell.com/raspberrypi-consumer/approved-retail...
• reacweb 7y ago
  Does the WOL work or is there a very green sleep mode ?
• dxxvi 7y ago
  What is an AMD/Intel CPU as powerful as this RPi4 CPU?
  • opencl 7y ago
    Going by the "3x faster than Pi 3" claim it should be roughly on par with desktop CPUs from around 10 years ago (Core 2 Quad Q6600, Athlon II X4 600e) or the modern quad core Atom CPUs like say the x7-Z8750.
    • Zenst 7y ago
      Rocking a Core2 duo 6600 for the past 11 years, so I'll let you know as that is what it will be replaced with. Been looking at a ARM solution for while, whilst the current 3b+ are good, the ram limitation and IO speeds as well as just short on some graphics grunt, did limit what they could do. Whilst no SATA, the USB3 should be enough and the boost in memory alone, makes desktop replacement utterly viable. But there are solutions out there with SATA and even PCIe slot(s), though support is a factor and with Raspberry, you have that support base that tips the balance. After all, having extra features with bugs compared to less extra features and solid support to deal with any bugs in a timely manner as well as a user base that can eyeball saturate an issue. Well, that's priceless as that will save you so much time, hassel and stress.
      • opencl 7y ago
        Geekbench puts the Q6600 and existing A72 SoCs (that are clocked a bit higher than the Pi 4) directly on par at ~1500 single core score but it would certainly be interesting to see some detailed real world benchmarking between them.
• lawik 7y ago
  Can't wait to try Nerves (https://nerves-project.org/ https://nerves-project.org/) on this. Waiting for the US-based devs to wake up to find out what they think. This is a stunning upgrade in my eyes. Going to evaluate how it would work as a dev desktop too. Just mount it behind a monitor. iHackintosh?
  • rgovostes 7y ago
    The Raspberry Pi has an ARM processor, while macOS requires an x86_64 processor, so you could not build a Hackintosh. One could conceivably run iOS, as enough is understood to emulate the OS on similar hardware (see https://alephsecurity.com/2019/06/17/xnu-qemu-arm64-1/ https://alephsecurity.com/2019/06/17/xnu-qemu-arm64-1/).
    • lawik 7y ago
      Ah, I was more thinking about the computer-and-screen form factor. But I see that was unclear on my part :) Have to look at that iOS thing. Would be interesting.
• thomasdd 7y ago
  Is Wifi Antenna(Antena) part of the board? Or an external connector is used for Wifi or BT5. Cant find details in the specification.
  • filleokus 7y ago
    On previous models it was integrated, so I assume it is now as well.
• theknarf 7y ago
  I'm a bit disappointed that they added type-D (micro) HDMI instead of just two more USB-C ports. If I need to use a dongle anyway (since I can't just plug inn normal HDMI) why not USB-C? Preferably I'd like a version with 4 usb-c ports, 1 normal hdmi, and two normal usb ports. That way I could have it setup with just usb-c, but can still plugin legacy connectors when needed.
  • codefreakxff 7y ago
    I don’t disagree that 4 usb-c could have been more forward thinking. But, you don’t NEED to use a dongle, you can buy an hdmi-to-micro cable.
  • hatsunearu 7y ago
    Pretty sure you need extra silicon to allow for USB-C to carry HDMI.
  • alexisread 7y ago
    microHDMI-HDMI is passive, as mentioned by another poster. The issue here is the software - two standard HDMI (electrically) ports can be really well supported by all the software, meaning that it can all be multi-monitor friendly. USB-C uses hardware so wouldn't have the support, see the issues with HDMI-VGA when the first pie came out. As an aside, they probably went with microHDMI as they're smaller (and hence cheaper in cost and area) on the board, and put less force with heavy connectors. Lastly, many android tablets have the microHDMI connector so they're easy to get hold of (first world anyway).
• grizzles 7y ago
  This is the death knell for x86 PCs for the consumer market. No regular user needs more than this. Developers and hardcore gamers will be the only ones left on x86. Intel will be a shadow of themselves soon. They have did such a bad job at diversifying.
  • dlkmp 7y ago
    I'm not so sure about this on a large scale but my first thought after reading this was to replae my parents' PC with a Pi 4.
  • dandellion 7y ago
    I think it's great to have more options and this is interesting, but I don't think it's that big of deal. Anyone who wants to do any video editing, sound, 3D modeling, etc, or anything that requires graphics or serious software won't have enough with this. For browsing and basic everyday use sure, but in that space people have been switching to tablets for a while now. So this might help that trend but I don't think it makes that much of a difference.
  • Robotbeat 7y ago
    Have you tried surfing the web on a Raspberry Pi 3? Even if the 4 is 3 times faster, it’ll be a frustrating experience. Additionally, once you add in all the peripherals for a laptop, the cost is much higher than if you just bought a cheap netbook. 4GB of Ram Pi 4 is $55. $30 for a decent USB C power supply and cord, plus $50 for a display, $15 for keyboard, $15 for mouse, plus $15 for a decent SD card and/or hard drive... plus individual shipping and then you need a case.
    • bhouston 7y ago
      Have you tried web surfing on a low end but modern dual core Intel laptop? It is painful as well. I didn't realize how bad it was until I tried my wife's Best Buy special instead of my supped up dev machine. The average low end device you get at Best Buy is barely usable. You at to at least go up to mid-range to have it not suck.
• mvip 7y ago
  ...if they could only fix the storage. Using SD cards for this workload is a very bad fit.
  • stedaniels 7y ago
    Why don't you just use USB3 storage?
    • mvip 7y ago
      That's fine for your desk, but hardly a good solution when deploying Raspberry Pis in the wild.
      • TheAceOfHearts 7y ago
        Why not? I'm not very familiarized with this space, but couldn't you just use a low-profile USB flash drive like this [0]? [0] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GK9921C/ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GK9921C/
        • mvip 7y ago
          In theory, yes (but quality varies a lot on them). The point is that adding a proper eMMC would have made the device a lot more "production ready".
          • jamesfmilne 7y ago
            That's why they make the Compute Module with the option for eMMC storage.
          • whywhywhywhy 7y ago
            It's not for production it's for kids to learn to code on.
      • stedaniels 7y ago
        So all those many hundreds of thousands of VM hosts out there deployed in production, running their hypervisors from USB must be failing left right and centre... or not.
• mgamache 7y ago
  Windows 10 ARM FTW [ducks] (seriously the ram and video processing updates make me wonder if they were added in-part for Windows)
• raveenb 7y ago
  Wow, this is such an bump up in the specs
• swebs 7y ago
  Does anyone know if it can boot from USB? I know one of the last models was able to after changing some firmware settings and the Raspberry Pi foundation mentioned adding better support for that in the future. MicroSD cards are just too prone to corruption to be running your OS off of.
  • bhouston 7y ago
    It has been possible some RPi 3, https://thepi.io/how-to-boot-your-raspberry-pi-from-a-usb-mass-storage-device/ https://thepi.io/how-to-boot-your-raspberry-pi-from-a-usb-ma...
  • jamesfmilne 7y ago
    From the Raspberry Pi 4 Boot EEPROM readme: "Support for these additional bootmodes will be added in the future via optional bootloader updates. The current schedule is to release PXE boot first, then USB boot." https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/booteeprom.md https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry...
• harel 7y ago
  Their site is inaccessible at the moment. I'm guessing you're all buying one right now...
  • marcosdumay 7y ago
    Seems to be a larger problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20262214 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20262214
• stevefan1999 7y ago
  Mom get the camera!
• jokoon 7y ago
  The only issue I have with the Rpi is the microSD lifespan. Of course you can make it read only, but at that point I would pay $10 more to have at least 1GB or less of quality flash memory on it. I've heard microSD will always die at some point. Of course you can also boot from USB too. I'm also waiting for a new rpi zero.
  • lucb1e 7y ago
    My microSDs indeed die after 2 years and a few months (warranty is 2 years), pretty universally. Teaches one to keep proper backups of photos.
  • eemil 7y ago
    You can get industrial microSD cards for not that much money. Mouser has a couple models with MLC flash for under 20 EUR. E.g. SDSDQAF3-016G-XI
• iamgopal 7y ago
  I have this strong urge to make whole ERP out of it.
• alskdj21 7y ago
  Anyone here uses Pi for full time development?
• zxcvbn4038 7y ago
  My young son got a 3B+ for Christmas and it has provided no end of entertainment. He discovered Minecraft early on and that ha led to him starting learning to code so I think that was a great investment, probably the best ever.
  • lawnchair_larry 7y ago
    What does he do with it? From what I’ve seen, most people throw these in a drawer instead of find educational value in it. Would be interested in anecdotes where it led to something positive and what approach worked out.
    • edm0nd 7y ago
      I put Kodi and Raspbian on mine. Use it to stream movies mainly.
• mjlee 7y ago
  There are some additional, very detailed benchmarks available here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333973011_Raspberry_Pi_4B_32_Bit_Benchmarks https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333973011_Raspberry...
• ksec 7y ago
  I wonder why they don't price the 4GB model at $50. And get rid of the 2GB Model. I know they are a Charity, but the pricing structure seems odd, would it be the case the 2GB and 4GB and making some money and 1GB being a loss leader? I wonder how much is the actual BOM Cost for the $35 model. And in terms of VideoCore, how does it compare to other commercial GPU like Adreno and Mali?
  • IshKebab 7y ago
    I think you're right - 1GB is so they can still say it is $35, and I doubt they make much money on it (or maybe even a loss). And I agree, 3 models seems like a lot.
• AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  This is neat, but I can't help but despair at all the now-more-over-engineered-than-ever LED blinkers that will result.
• k_bx 7y ago
  I wonder, can it in theory be plugged in iPad and use it as a power source and external monitor somehow? That would finally make iPad able of running Linux. I'd be able to practice my Agda on it, for example.
  • fsloth 7y ago
    You can use ipad to interact with linux using VNC...
• jamesfmilne 7y ago
  Here are some technical details on the new chip: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2711/README.md https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry... And a preliminary data sheet: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2711/rpi_DATA_2711_1p0_preliminary.pdf https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry...
• move-on-by 7y ago
  Interesting that they added dual HDMI but no hardware clock. I don't think I've ever owned a device with dual HDMI outputs. Gigabit Ethernet will be great, I might finally get around to setting up FreeNAS server
• monocasa 7y ago
  Huh, the new cores are Spectre vulnerable for the first time for RPi.
  • Zenst 7y ago
    ah, because of the out of order instruction processing with the SMP. Not thought about that, but the speed bumps all round will more than absorb any OS mitigation overhead.
    • lucb1e 7y ago
      This was my first thought when I saw "out of order" in the post. Would have been fair to mention this introduces customers to a whole new class of vulnerabilities, but I guess that's not exactly promo material...
• discreditable 7y ago
  I wish they'd integrate PoE (without the hat). That chip they're using appears to support it. http://www.trxcom.com/Product/product/id/353.html http://www.trxcom.com/Product/product/id/353.html
  • vardump 7y ago
    I guess they needed to drop that and a lot more to hit $35 price target.
    • picantePepper 7y ago
      The poe hat costs $25 USD so it makes sense they needed to drop it
    • cwt137 7y ago
      Also, they probably ran out of space on the board
  • makomk 7y ago
    It supports it in the sense that it provides the extra taps on the Ethernet magnetics for the actual PoE converter to connect to. That's all the onboard support they have, as far as I know - just the few extra connections required to feed the PoE hat which contains all the extra support electronics.
• roland35 7y ago
  Now I'll have another single board computer to try and figure out what to do with it!
• jejones3141 7y ago
  Thanks--there have been enough April Fools videos of supposed Raspberry Pi 4s that when I saw one this morning, I was suspicious.
  • seeken 7y ago
    I fell for one of those videos last week... Didn't notice it was April fools until I went back this morning, confused. Guess I need to stop letting Youtube pick the videos I watch.
• meddlepal 7y ago
  This is awesome. I've wanted to build a homelab Pi Kubernetes cluster for awhile and this looks like it should work nicely.
• megous 7y ago
  What's the thermal story? Looks pretty terrible so far. The case has no holes. The board has no holes for the heatsink, so you'll have to glue it. Space for heatsink is small. Is it made so that the board serves as a heatsink at the very least?
  • ryanmercer 7y ago
    >The case has no holes. Uh, give it five minutes and there will be 13524 third party cases?
    • megous 7y ago
      I don't care about other cases. I care about what the vendor's case suggests. That is that this chip either runs quite cool (so creating a worst case scenario with a fully closed case doesn't matter), or that they don't care about the cooling for some other reason. I somehow doubt a chip with a heatspreadder is meant to run cool, though. It looks like they're sacrificing performance here.
  • undersuit 7y ago
    The Raspberry Pi 3 B+ was the exception more than the norm. Clocking the A-53 at 1.4GHz on 40nm really sucked down the juice. The processor used in the 4 is probably not running on the very edge of its maximum potential. As for heatsinks, you've always "glued" them, I even have a few I have permanently epoxied on instead of the included adhesive. EDIT: I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, so wrong. https://medium.com/@ghalfacree/benchmarking-the-raspberry-pi-4-73e5afbcd54b https://medium.com/@ghalfacree/benchmarking-the-raspberry-pi...
  • swebs 7y ago
    Scroll down to the "Power and Heat" section https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b,6193.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-4-b,6193.h...
    • megous 7y ago
      Thanks.
• mark_l_watson 7y ago
  I only have a USB-C monitor on my desk. Since the Pi 4 has USB-C ports, perhaps they support non-HDMI video?
  • mirceal 7y ago
    does not look like it. the output is still hdmi and the usbc is used for power
• fortran77 7y ago
  And it runs Windows 10 (IOT Core) too!
• maroonmed 7y ago
  I really wish they'd release a version with dual Ethernet ports. It would make router/firewall use cases a lot easier without the need for clunky USB-ethernet adapters.
• kup0 7y ago
  I really don't need to upgrade from my rPi3 since I only use it as a Pi-hole, but I'm considering a rPi4 just for the fact that it's going to be an insane performance increase over the 3. Not to mention the move to 28nm might make it run cooler/etc as well. Maybe I can find a different use for the 4, who knows. At this kind of price, it's a no-brainer, though
• Scene_Cast2 7y ago
  So on one hand, I get the excitement. This is a very popular platform that has a ton of community support and does a bunch of stuff. On the other hand, it isn't great at anything (besides the community - which shouldn't be underestimated, sure). It's also using a pretty proprietary chip - if you build a project off of a Pi, it's hard to migrate to a custom PCB. As a NAS, you probably would want ECC and a bunch of SATA ports (I'm using a Helios4 for this purpose). You can't use it as a router / pfSense without a second gigabit ethernet. As a media box, you'd want a SATA port and more display out options (and maybe beefier GPU). But on the other hand, everyone including me has one. (I got one for flashing some SPI chips with Coreboot BIOS). Perhaps the versatility is the killer feature.
  • jdboyd 7y ago
    I think that aside from versatility and community, the other big thing these have been great at is long term availability. Just look at how many other Pi "killers" have come and gone pretty rapidly, or never ended up getting good OS support. I will say, I suspect that for a media box, USB3 storage may be good enough.
  • dspillett 7y ago
    > Perhaps the versatility is the killer feature. That is a thirst of it. There is little it does massively better than other options, in fact for everything I can think of there are better options, but it is powerful to do most things well enough. An other third is the cost. There are not many options with a similar price/utility ratio, particularly when you count support (see point three). The thirst third is support: up-to-date Linux builds supporting the hardware (a common complaint with other devices is old and/or buggy drivers that are a faf to build), community size & momentum, commercial add-ons, ... > As a media box, you'd want a SATA port Not for a media display box, which is what my currently active pair are used for. Local media storage is on the network in a box hosting many drives and doing other jobs too, and other media is remote anyway. And if you are using something for storage you want multiple SATA ports (I can't be the only one paranoid enough to apply RAID1+ to anything intended to survive the month!). The Pi3 (and 2 for that matter) does admirably as a Kodi box, though it struggles with x265 (720p is fine though it drops frames on some encodes, 1080p is sometimes surprisingly OK in the winter but causes the thermal throttle to kick in after a while when the ambient temperature is higher) so I'm quite interested in the fact that the 4 seems to support this in hardware - I'll be keeping an ear open for news that Kodi supports its hardware support for that codec (and if it handles the commonly used format options well not just the baseline). > router / pfSense without a second gigabit ethernet You can use an external device, but yeah that does wreck the nice small form factor somewhat, adds to the cost, and you have the hassle of finding a reliable well-supported one. Though the main complaints I've seen for using simple SoC systems like this as a router (and one of the reasons why I've not got around to trying it myself yet) is not that 100Mbps is a limitation for most home users (anecdote: have ~76mbit down, ~17Mbit up, I know few here with much better) but that they don't have the umpf to keep up with that level of traffic, especially in both directions, with any degree of extra processing (i.e. being a VPN endpoint for a chunk of that traffic).
• jimpudar 7y ago
  I'm so happy they haven't removed the composite video out in the headphone jack! If you didn't know, you just need a 3.5 mm TRRS connector - the pinout[0] looks like: T - Left Channel Audio R - Right Channel Audio R - Ground S - Composite Video Out [0] https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model-b-3-5mm-audiovideo-jack/ https://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-model...
  • xd1936 7y ago
    Woah, I had no idea about this. This is great! Do they sell an official adapter?
    • cstuder 7y ago
      They don't need to, that's an official jack, often used in digital cameras or video cameras. Google "audio video jack". Update: Oh, I just read the linked article, apparently these cables aren't as standardized as I thought. There are some links in the comments.
    • danmg 7y ago
      It's somewhat common. https://www.amazon.com/Adafruit-Composite-Video-Raspberry-ADA2881/dp/B06W2JXLSK https://www.amazon.com/Adafruit-Composite-Video-Raspberry-AD...
  • driverdan 7y ago
    Why? What do you use composite video for? I think the last time I used composite video for anything was 10+ years ago.
    • JD557 7y ago
      Not OP, but I love the composite output. I have a raspberry with retroarch connected to an old CRT and an arcade stick. Old arcade games with a lot of dithering just don't look the same on an LCD. (Some emulators now come with some decent CRT filters, but It's still not as good as a real CRT)
• neals 7y ago
  Any suggestions or experiences with write-intensive applications? My SD-card fails every few months. Is there a more reliable storage option that's easy to implement?
  • mirceal 7y ago
    i don’t know what your app is doing but what I’ve done in the past is to boot from the sd card and switch it to read only after and use an in-memory tmpfs after. I’ve hacked this together quite a few times that at some point I’ve put together a little project. maybe check it out: cattlepi.com
  • derekp7 7y ago
    Look for as cards that are certified for dash cams. Either that, or make the write intensive volume a network share.
  • environment 7y ago
    Suggestion: swissbit sd cards https://www.swissbit.com/products/nand-flash-products/microsd-memory-cards/ https://www.swissbit.com/products/nand-flash-products/micros... I live in Norway and can recommend digikey or mouser for sensible price and shipping cost. Both suppliers are exceptionally professional, minimum order quantities of 1. https://www.digikey.com/ https://www.digikey.com/ https://mouser.com/ https://mouser.com/ I have experience with swissbit products, but not the sd cards. Edit: A different trick is to run the bootloader on the sd card as usual, but the OS itself can be elsewhere, usb hdd, maybe network share.
  • elahd 7y ago
    I have a Pi running Pi-hole, Home Assistant, Node Red, and some custom scripts. It uses a parts bin 2.5" laptop hard drive (via a USB to SATA cable) as the sole boot and storage medium. You can set most Pis to boot from USB and totally avoid touching SD cards. It was easy to configure and sped up the Pi quite a bit. No reliability issues in about a year of use. Boot from USB instructions are at https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberry....
• hrangozz 7y ago
  How do you think this would perform under transcoding workloads, like those of home theater software like plex or emby?
• epmaybe 7y ago
  For the sbc folk - is there a board that runs on 5V like the raspberry Pi and has power data and video over usb type c? Most if not all boards I've found only support power or data, or require 12V.
• h1d 7y ago
  Genuinely curious what you'd want this for? Cloud servers can be prepared in minutes, has decent performance, decent network, no upfront cost, can throw away or add at will and you don't have to take care of it physically. Also don't have to open up your local network.
  • jonathankoren 7y ago
    It’s original pitch is for an educational product, but some people use it as a very powerful embedded system.
  • SomeOldThrow 7y ago
    I’d guess “spending only $35”.
  • guilhermetk 7y ago
    I have 2 use cases for my RPi: -PiHole as a ad/tracking blocker -Plugging sensors to measure temp/humidity and control AC (on/off) Still on my todo list: PiVPN to VPN into my home network
  • mempko 7y ago
    If you have children, you would understand ;-) Or if you are just an adult child...
• MikusR 7y ago
  Sadly still no crypto extensions (accelerated sha and aes).
• totaldude87 7y ago
  Now all I need is a digitizer to port and make a full blown smart screen(or whatever thingy) with android or Ubuntu(possible?!) or do 100 other stuff that i planned with pi 1 :|
• jasonm89 7y ago
  How would this perform as a linux desktop? I'm thinking about grabbing one for my Mom, who doesn't have a computer at home.
  • wesgarrison 7y ago
    We've used a RPi 3B+ for a couple years as a home desktop and it's been great for general browsing, email, youtube. Velcro it to the back of a HD TV and it can sit anywhere.
    • asimovfan 7y ago
      How do you make YouTube work?
• petersonh 7y ago
  Looks awesome! Wish they had added analogue inputs, does anyone know why they don't do this? Worked on a project where I needed analogue input, and I had to use a Pi/Arduino combo.
• iansowinski 7y ago
  Curious how hifiberry will work with it...
  • kingosticks 7y ago
    As in 'HifiBerry' the company producing a range of HAT sound devices? Since the relevant pinout is unchanged, why would any of their products work any differently to how they do now? Am I missing something?
• pickle-wizard 7y ago
  Last year VMware demoed ESXi on ARM. With the Raspberry PI getting 4GB of RAM that would be usable. Hopefully they release it. It would make a great low power homelab.
• itsfirat 7y ago
  This thing can easily replace my laptop.
  • asark 7y ago
    For the 4GB model, my very usable if somewhat low-end IBM Thinkpad ~15yrs ago had about 1/10 as much memory. Probably similar on the processor—I bet one core on this is something like 3x as fast as the single-core Celeron I had in that thing. Video capabilities are so much better it'd be hard to even compare them. IO's much faster—5400RPM spinning rust on that laptop, the SDCard's probably a lot faster even, let alone the USB3. The only reason this thing might not make an excellent desktop these days is all the bloated web shit we use.
• seaborn63 7y ago
  Looks so awesome! Can't wait to try it out but I gotta go get some microHDMI cables now
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• rsync 7y ago
  The info page suggests connecting two 4k displays (one to each of the two HDMI ports). However, given that there are also two USB3 ports, couldn't I drive a total of four 4k displays ? I don't know if USB3 can drive 4k @ 120hz, however ...
• boromi 7y ago
  Anyone have a good NAS setup guide using the Raspberry Pi? I've been wanting to get a Synology but gawk at the crazy prices for such limited specs. I'm thinking a DIY solution will be much cheaper.
  • mrmuagi 7y ago
    I use a synology NAS myself, but I am down to setup something with Pi 4 + OSMC as it was well recommended.
  • roboyoshi 7y ago
    Not for the pi specifically, but if you want a simple FileServer, then a debian (raspbian) samba setup is pretty much done in a few minutes: https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple Storage could be attached via USB3 or you can just use a big SD Card (maybe ~200GB)
• talkingtab 7y ago
  I bought an NVidia Jetson Nano 4GB memory- because I liked the Raspberry Pi so much, but the Pi 3 does not really work as a development machine. The Nano does really pretty well with the addition of a fan, swap space, a good power supply (adafruit). The BIG problem with the Nano is that it is arm64 and the availability of the Arm64 linux things (like Docker images) is limited. I ordered a 4GB Pi4 which seems to have advantages, and I assume the availability of Arm64 images will sky rocket?
  • tootie 7y ago
    That's interesting. Would be a cool use case to carry around a hi-res Chromebook for light use and plug in to a Pi or Jetson for dev work.
• robertAngst 7y ago
  I find it funny how I look at the RP4 and think, I don't need anything new. However, if you needed massive amounts of data transfer + multithreaded IOT, this would do the job. I will say, the more research I do, the less the Rasp Pi matters, SOC/SOM are comparable in prices.
• stirfrykitty 7y ago
  I'm happy to see the 4GB RAM and better overall performance now available for a mere $55. I admin over a dozen RPis at work for signage and sometimes they barely keep up, but as a non-profit, we don't have the budget for much else. We can afford the new Pis, however, so I will likely be upgrading them this year. I'll likely buy one for home to replace my aging Pi-hole.
  • ryacko 7y ago
    Are you using web apps or presentation software for signage?
    • stirfrykitty 7y ago
      We use Screenly. It's rather basic and managed from a cloud account that can see the devices. There is no SSH or other "admin" access beyond the Web GUI that allows you to name/rename/remove and group screens based on their onsite locations for common signage. We've had issues with them and I'm looking for software to replace Screenly that will run on Raspbian or other Unix-like ARM OS.
      • Data_Junkie 7y ago
        I'm working on this. I have a solution about ready to launch and I have a question for you. What do you wish it had SSH to do ? I decided not to include it for security, what is not available in the web gui that you would find useful ?
      • mvip 7y ago
        Author of Screenly here. Please ping me on Twitter (@vpetersson) to see how we can help.
• punnerud 7y ago
  From HN to RPi4 order, probably 15sec. Felt like 15min when I found that a lot of sites already was sold out.
• Havoc 7y ago
  Wow that’s amazing Def getting one. The rasps are miles ahead of the rest on support. So the upgraded hw on top of that makes it a front runner in my books
• galkk 7y ago
  Sold out in any of recommended stores already.
• Drdrdrq 7y ago
  Did anyone figure out what to do with failing SD cards and USB keys? I gave up trying to reinstall everything on my Pi after (almost) every power loss.
  • dguaraglia 7y ago
    Huh, that's bizarre. We've been using Raspberry Pi in remotely deployed devices for ~2 years now. These devices reboot on a regular basis. So far, not a single one of the cards has failed.
• sxp62000 7y ago
  I would love to hear the kind of stuff everybody is using Raspberry Pi for. Is anybody using them in museums or for digital signage?
• shauntm 7y ago
  For those wondering about using it for development, it can run Anvil's web IDE: https://anvil.works/blog/raspberry-pi-4-web-ide https://anvil.works/blog/raspberry-pi-4-web-ide
  • esistgut 7y ago
    I often see comments about this product piggybacking on other things' visibility here on HN. It is closed source too. Can you please put your ads somewhere else?
• nojvek 7y ago
  Does anyone know it’s graphics card specs ? How big of a neural net can I run? Does it Raspi4 have a tensor flow backend ? At the power usage if Raspi4, how big of a solar panel and battery do I need to have a always sentient computer out in the wild that can recognize and count things ?
• ChuckMcM 7y ago
  Nice upgrade, I chuckled at the pricing of 1G, 2G, and 4G models as $35, $45, $55 (at least in the US). And that they are pushing it as a desktop. They might start looking like a computer company if they aren't careful. At some point I think they really should consider offering an official case or something :-).
  • Zenst 7y ago
    They already do official cases, though for some, this: https://hackaday.com/2019/06/21/grate-design-on-this-cutting-edge-raspberry-pi-case/ https://hackaday.com/2019/06/21/grate-design-on-this-cutting...
• Rebelgecko 7y ago
  Not being able to use a regular HDMI cable is a bummer, but looks like a nice upgrade
• garrison 7y ago
  > the much more powerful, out-of-order, Cortex-A72 core Does this mean the new Raspberry Pi is now susceptible to Spectre-type vulnerabilities?
• hackbinary 7y ago
  Frankly, I am waiting for the five. Basically, I prefer prime numbered versions of things. ;)
• Scramblejams 7y ago
  IIRC Pi3 gave no access to hardware crypto so using it as a VPN server could be slow. Anyone know if that changes?
• zackmorris 7y ago
  Does anyone have a link for building a Raspberry Pi cluster over gigabit ethernet? A quick search turned up some stuff: https://medium.com/@glmdev/building-a-raspberry-pi-cluster-784f0df9afbd https://medium.com/@glmdev/building-a-raspberry-pi-cluster-7... https://epcced.github.io/wee_archlet/ https://epcced.github.io/wee_archlet/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/cluster-computer-raspberry-pi-3/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/cluster-computer-raspberry... Specifically, I'd like to find software that makes the cluster appear as a single memory address space and N identical CPUs/cores. When I'm in that OS/VM/kernel, whatever you want to call it, I want to be able to experiment with running stuff like Elixir or Go and have the runtime handle the virtual memory and cache coherency stuff between the nodes. I don't want to deal with any manual memory management at all. I just want rules of thumb regarding rough latency between N nodes and M routers for whatever network topology it uses. Icing on the cake would be if I could run something like IPFS (or another hash tree) and have data distribution handled under the hood and appear as a single directory structure. The goal being to play around with stuff like neural nets and ray tracing without having to use any proprietary frameworks. It should just appear as say a 256 core computer with however many GB or ram and however many TB of hard drive space I give it.
  • zackmorris 7y ago
    Just searched a bit more for MPI integration with various languages. I find things like this kind of heartbreaking: https://godoc.org/github.com/cpmech/gosl/mpi https://godoc.org/github.com/cpmech/gosl/mpi It provides MPI bindings in Go, but they really should have provided an MPI layer internally so that the Go metaphors of things like channels and goroutines "just work" with no special syntax. I think this is where I'm getting stuck. So much cluster software provides interfaces to send/receive data and get the current thread's CPU id and total number of CPUs. But I'm not finding much info on doing this directly in the kernel or language runtime so that the client can be written in a topology-agnostic fashion. Edit: there doesn't seem to be a Go-native MPI runtime (yet) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/golang-nuts/t7Vjpfu0sjQ https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/golang-nuts/t7Vjpfu0...
    • AceJohnny2 7y ago
• elihu 7y ago
  > The power savings delivered by the smaller process geometry have allowed us to replace Cortex-A53 with the much more powerful, out-of-order, Cortex-A72 core; this can execute more instructions per clock, yielding performance increases over Raspberry Pi 3B+ of between two and four times, depending on the benchmark. Looks like the Pi 4 will be vulnerable to Spectre. That's unfortunate, since it seems like this is quite an upgrade otherwise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(security_vulnerability) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(security_vulnerabilit... > ARM has reported that the majority of their processors are not vulnerable, and published a list of the specific processors that are affected by the Spectre vulnerability: Cortex-R7, Cortex-R8, Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9, Cortex-A15, Cortex-A17, Cortex-A57, Cortex-A72, Cortex-A73 and ARM Cortex-A75 cores.
  • jacquesm 7y ago
    Yes, it probably is. But for many use cases that is totally unimportant.
    • universenz 7y ago
      Could you outline/bring clarity to why that is totally unimportant for many use cases?
      • lgats 7y ago
        I suppose most uses of the RBP don't involve running 3rd party code. Although, I do think this is an important issue to address.
      • 21717117 7y ago
        [1]. tl;dr It's just a read-only local privilege escalation exploit, and that _is_ bad if you let malicious code get into your machine. [1] https://www.sweharris.org/post/2018-01-04-meltdown_spectre/ https://www.sweharris.org/post/2018-01-04-meltdown_spectre/
      • pulse7 7y ago
        In most cases RPI will not be used as a host on which many VMs from different customers will run. Many embedded systems will not have browser with JavaScript enabled. And so on...
• Havoc 7y ago
  Wired says it idles at 70 in case. Jikes Was liking this but that’s a little ominous
• lgats 7y ago
  FCC ID: https://fccid.io/2ABCB-RPI4B https://fccid.io/2ABCB-RPI4B Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 1GB, 2GB, 4GB + 8GB https://fccid.io/2ABCB-RPI4B/Users-Manual/Installation-Guide-4325666 https://fccid.io/2ABCB-RPI4B/Users-Manual/Installation-Guide... 8 GB variant must be coming soon...
• Zenst 7y ago
  Cool, found a review already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG5n-e7wDOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG5n-e7wDOQ
• ejjpi 7y ago
  Can it run Windows 10 with the 4GB RAM model?
• figers 7y ago
  Hope someone tries this and lets us know how it goes https://liliputing.com/2019/02/this-app-lets-you-run-windows-10-on-a-raspberry-pi.html https://liliputing.com/2019/02/this-app-lets-you-run-windows...
• rekabis 7y ago
  I would get this in a heartbeat if it had dual (non-USB) NICs. Would probably make a great border router.