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by rendall 2y ago
Ok. I read the first part of the Vanity Fair article and of the Times article and I think I get the gists. Asking if I have them right: Regarding "the Israeli government supported Hamas", from the NYT: For years, the Qatari gover
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by rendall 2y ago
I'm simply not interested in diversion. Me: Why did Israel and Egypt blockade Gaza? You: Did you know that Israel supported a coup against Fatah? What would get me interested: You: The blockade came in response to a serious of tunnel a
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by rendall 2y ago
> Oh, and any claim about Hamas being supported by Israel is apparently anti-semitic. Who said that? Why did they say that?
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> I literally said "Hamas was actively attacking Israel". You did? It was buried under lots of anti-Israel rhetoric that it was hard to see. The blockade was introduced to the discussion as yet but one more example of Israel
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This guy says that Israel supported PLO in an attempted, but failed coup against Hamas: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40273500 Seems contradictory. Which is it? And I ask again: there were no reasonable security conc
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by rendall 2y ago
I'd balk too except for the Western left's response to October 7th. Immediate celebration. One American professor at Cornell described himself as exhilerated ! [1] "This is what resistance looks like" say others. Teari
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by rendall 2y ago
You're contorting the answer in order not to answer. The blockade was put in place in response to what, when? 2005, unilateral withdrawal from Gaza 2006, Gazans peacefully went about their lives, setting up - and minding their own - bu
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by rendall 2y ago
Every square cm is an exaggeration. Malaysia and Indonesia in my understanding accepted Islam largely through peaceful trading contacts. The Levant in particular, however, was conquered militarily and Arabized by a succession of Muslim conq
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by rendall 2y ago
#4 is the sense Palestinians mean it while well-meaning Westerners hear #1 and #2. The movement exploits the ambiguity of this term to dogwhistle and get all the no kidding white-supremacist, anti-Semites on board. To play in the bailey,
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Just for shiggles? No particular reason? Keep going. In response to Palestinians doing .... what?
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I'm not really reading an actionable critique there.
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> This is about when Israel imposed the full blockade. about is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Let's walk through more slowly. Israel withdrew from Gaza when? Then imposed a blockade when and in response to what? I'm h
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> But I was specifically talking in that line about the Western pro-Palestinian movement, not Hamas. Oh I see. I did misunderstand. But, honestly, I'm not so sure. Maybe you and I consume different news sources, but organizati
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by rendall 2y ago
> should be aware that Israel has, for years, blocked imports of essential sanitary products and food items into Gaza, i.e. toilet paper, soap, and humus. Many of the tunnels under gaza were built for smuggling in these items Oh, now I
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> They are definitely not genocidal... I'll just direct you to the Hamas Charter (pdf): https://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/attach... Also to the history of Arab violence on Jews,
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by rendall 2y ago
That was not an original "string". The question is, and be honest: why was there a blockade? How long did Palestinians have Gaza and no blockade? What happened then?
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You simplify of course, because my actual argument is harder to counter. I understand if the choice choice is "Palestinians attack Israel as a righteous resistance to oppression" or "Palestinians attack Israel because the ide
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We Westerners want peace, prosperity and sovereignty for Palestinians. For us, a 2 state solution seems so reasonable. But we're not the ones who matter. Among Palestinians and Arabs in general, advocates for a 2-state peaceful coexis
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This is dishonest. Why were these measures put in place? If any part of your answer is "to oppress Palestinians" the answer is wrong and you should update your information.
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This is dishonest. Try again, please. Why was "access to the rest of the world", by which I guess you mean the Egypt-Israeli blockade, put in place? When?
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This is not an argument. To address my argument, you'd have to show that "free" meant "sovereignty". But you cannot, because that's not what it means. It means the destruction of Israel and the expulsion - at b
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by rendall 2y ago
"failure of peace process" is quite the spin. In 2005, the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza meant the IDF leaving and taking all Jews from the area with them. That's about as pro-peace as you can get. Israel saying in essence
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by rendall 2y ago
The great thing about the pro-Palestinian position is that it's super easy to understand. Zionists settled land that wasn't theirs and stole it. Easy. Simple. Wrong. That it's wrong doesn't matter to most people. "O
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Fry's treatment was a travesty on multiple levels.
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Here you go. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%... Really was not hard to find. So, for instance: "تواصلت الاشتباكات بين القوات الإسرائيلية ومقاومين فلسطينيين بمواقع د
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by rendall 2y ago
> Can you openly call for the murder of <enter ethnic group> in the US under the protection of the first amendment ? Yes. We see this with open chants of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" and "Glo
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by rendall 2y ago
"The Zionists" is a dog whistle. Nobody would care about "The Zionists" if they weren't Jews. We know this because Israel's neighbors kill and displace Muslims at a far greater rate than Israel would even dream
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Stringer Bell or maybe Mayor Carcetti.
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We all do, German and non-German alike.
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> Without any sources this is speculation. I completely agree that we need more data. The German government has never issued a firm and unequivocal denial that they subsidize erotic call centers, neither now nor at any time in the past

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