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Here you go. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%B5%D9%81-%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AE%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%83%D8%AB%D9%81-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8

Here you go. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%B5%D9%81-%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AE%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%83%D8%AB%D9%81-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A5%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%8A%D9%84 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%... Really was not hard to find. So, for instance: "تواصلت الاشتباكات بين القوات الإسرائيلية ومقاومين فلسطينيين بمواقع داخل إسرائيل، وذلك مع دخول اليوم الثالث من عملية طوفان الأقصى التي أطلقتها كتائب عز الدين القسام التابعة لحركة المقاومة الإسلامية حماس ضد الاحتلال الإسرائيلي..." "The clashes between the Israeli forces and Palestinian resistance fighters continued at locations inside Israel, as the third day of the Al-Aqsa Flood operation launched by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades of the Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas against the Israeli occupation proceeds..." 1. "مقاومين فلسطينيين" (Palestinian resistance fighters): The term "resistance fighters" conveys a sense of legitimacy and heroism to the Palestinian combatants, compared to more neutral terms like "militants" or "combatants." 2. "الاحتلال الإسرائيلي" (the Israeli occupation): This phrase inherently carries a negative connotation and frames Israel as an occupying force, which is a viewpoint that aligns with Palestinian narratives and is contentious in international discussions. 3. "عملية طوفان الأقصى" (Al-Aqsa Flood operation): The operation's name itself, invoking the Al-Aqsa mosque—a highly symbolic and emotive site in the conflict—suggests a righteous or justified struggle, further aligning the narrative with Palestinian perspectives. These choices in vocabulary serve to frame the conflict in a way that emphasizes Palestinian resistance against an unjust "occupation," aligning closely with the Palestinian viewpoint and potentially eliciting a sympathetic response from Arab audiences. This framing influences how readers perceive the events, creating a less neutral, more partisan view of the conflict. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%B5%D9%81-%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AE%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%83%D8%AB%D9%81-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A5%D8%B3%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%8A%D9%84 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/%D9%82%D8%... This language makes it extremely difficult to have a conversation about the conflict. Everything Israel does is framed as nefarious and evil.

catlover76 2y ago
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acdha 2y ago
That’s a lot less incendiary than your first example. As a simple point of fact, Israel is occupying territory whose inhabitants do not want them there and are not given a right to vote. What term would you consider more accurate? Your last point seems to be unawareness that the name given is Hamas’ official name for that operation. Using it in the quoted sentence seems very similar to, say, reporting that U.S forces attacked Houthi rebel positions in the sixth month of Operation Prosperity Guardian. Whether or not you like the term, it’s the official name and it’s reasonable to expect readers to be familiar with it.
- rendall 2y ago
  The great thing about the pro-Palestinian position is that it's super easy to understand. Zionists settled land that wasn't theirs and stole it. Easy. Simple. Wrong. That it's wrong doesn't matter to most people. "Occupied land" has a specific, legal definition that in no way applies to Israel or Gaza, and probably does not apply to the West Bank. And, see, already I'm losing this discussion: with just a single misused word "occupation" you - perhaps unintentionally - sewed misinformation that needs to be unwound even assuming you have a good faith interest in doing that. Most anti Zionists are simply not interested. So, yes, words matter. If you repeat that Israel has "occupied" territory "illegally" long enough in the media, people like yourself will accept it as true without really understanding what it means. > That’s a lot less incendiary than your first example. I don't know what you're taking about. This is my first contribution to the thread.
  - pydry 2y ago
    It is true under international law though.
    - candiodari 2y ago
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      - selimthegrim 2y ago

catlover76 2y ago

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acdha 2y ago

That’s a lot less incendiary than your first example. As a simple point of fact, Israel is occupying territory whose inhabitants do not want them there and are not given a right to vote. What term would you consider more accurate? Your last point seems to be unawareness that the name given is Hamas’ official name for that operation. Using it in the quoted sentence seems very similar to, say, reporting that U.S forces attacked Houthi rebel positions in the sixth month of Operation Prosperity Guardian. Whether or not you like the term, it’s the official name and it’s reasonable to expect readers to be familiar with it.

rendall 2y ago
The great thing about the pro-Palestinian position is that it's super easy to understand. Zionists settled land that wasn't theirs and stole it. Easy. Simple. Wrong. That it's wrong doesn't matter to most people. "Occupied land" has a specific, legal definition that in no way applies to Israel or Gaza, and probably does not apply to the West Bank. And, see, already I'm losing this discussion: with just a single misused word "occupation" you - perhaps unintentionally - sewed misinformation that needs to be unwound even assuming you have a good faith interest in doing that. Most anti Zionists are simply not interested. So, yes, words matter. If you repeat that Israel has "occupied" territory "illegally" long enough in the media, people like yourself will accept it as true without really understanding what it means. > That’s a lot less incendiary than your first example. I don't know what you're taking about. This is my first contribution to the thread.
- pydry 2y ago
  It is true under international law though.
  - candiodari 2y ago
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    - selimthegrim 2y ago