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PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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- gamessucknow 18d ago
  Why do these booster accounts always sound like they have just a slightly sub-average IQ?
  - garyhasapoint 18d ago
    gamessucknow i think you may have a hidden bias
    - MadSudaca 18d ago
      how can it be a hidden bias if you just called it out?
  - cindyllm 18d ago
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  - dpmartinez 18d ago
    It has been a week of you on this site and you haven't even bought a mirror. I'm sure you do realise you're talking about yourself?
    - xerox13ster 18d ago
      I’m confused. Is the “power of the community” to narc on themselves to the corporations that they are building their community around, only to have the corporations destroy the community’s efforts? Because that’s what happened here. This isn’t a case of gatekeepers self selecting out. This is a case of slop kiddies making it impossible for him to continue to do his work by reporting it to Sony for personal profit and having them lock down the exploits he was using. If that’s the power of the community, if that is the future, then he is right and you are wrong. This is not a case of a gatekeeper slowing down development. This is a case of the slop kids making it fucking impossible to continue development. This is the worst outcome and your brain is so cooked by AI that you’re seeing it as the opposite. Where is the AI generated Linux kernel for PS5? What lockdown corporate product have the slop coders managed to put Linux on? Anybody vibe cracked an oculus headset or Apple Vision Pro or the Xbox? Some individual profited and the community ended up with less.
  - deadbabe 18d ago
    Because they are anti-intellectuals. They do not want people to hold influence by having massive intelligence.
- vinyl7 18d ago
  More like shit software is the future
- jplusequalt 18d ago
  >The community can now contribute code and solve issues more faster rather than a handful of people gatekeeping slowing down development Everyone hates gatekeeping until they don't. Watch quality go down, issues increase, project direction become muddied, and suddenly people will be calling for more gatekeepers!
- dopple 18d ago
  Alas, the age of slop is inevitable. We must unleash the kraken of slop upon us all! Rejoice, for resistance is futile!
- ktimespi 18d ago
  The article is about using it to the detriment of the community...
- 3form 18d ago
  I would hardly call the requirement to understand the code you push "gatekeeping".
  - toomuchtodo 18d ago
    LLMs make excellent people better and mediocre people confident, from first hand experience working with both and asking both cohorts to show me how they use them.
arnaudsm 18d ago
Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744 https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744
- kotaKat 18d ago
  All Sony had to do was give us a path forward to run our own code on the PS5. But I guess Sony being a gatekeeper wasn't a gatekeeper enough for certain regulatory agencies.
- seki285 18d ago
  Nothing misleading about the title and you are splitting hairs.
  - arnaudsm 18d ago
    Omitting half of the story is misleading, this isn't a pro/anti LLM story. Vibecoding has been the norm for months, it's the embargo violation today that triggered his resignation.
    - lokar 18d ago
      The headline accurately summarizes the main point of the story, and the part that is emphasized is from the subject of the story.
    - lovich 18d ago
      > …been the norm for months… You know, it’s petty, but I think one of the things I hate the most about AI is that it surpassed front end JavaScript frameworks in terms of changing what the standard is every few years. What’s the point of learning anything if it becomes obsolete faster than the seasons change?
      - Daishiman 18d ago
        To be fair the JS frontend communities brought this to themselves way before LLM slop.
JonathanCross 18d ago
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IslandRebel 18d ago
> “Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.” If one user could have found this using AI. Then I would imagine anyone else could have found it.
- orangecat 18d ago
  Then I would imagine anyone else could have found it. Right, including Sony. AI finding security flaws is very good in general, but one downside is that it will become easier to make "secure" devices that are hostile toward their owners.
  - IslandRebel 18d ago
    Sure, but that wasn't what I was getting at. The guy is complaining about the exploit being disclosed to Sony, but anyone who used the same tools could have found it. It's kind of like complaining that someone has spoilt the ending to a film when it been out for over a year.
- TuxSH 18d ago
  > If one user could have found this using AI. Then I would imagine anyone else could have found it. People are still fixated on using AI to produce code (to reduce salary costs/dev time) rather than using it to audit bugs in one own's code, which they are better at. The latter has "always" been obvious to me.
- charcircuit 17d ago
  A second AI user found it before the bug got reported.
aleksejs 18d ago
Fascinating times we live in, when "the last hypervisor bug" in what is presumably one of the most hardened pieces of consumer hardware can be found by "noobs" and "slop kiddies".
- NietTim 18d ago
  Makes you wonder if it really was "noobs" and "slop kiddies" that found it.
  - Catloafdev 18d ago
    No, it doesn't. Nobody would go do this just to report it to Sony for a few pennies. That is a non-existent motivation for people in the know, who understand the opportunity cost.
    - ChrisRR 18d ago
      Unless they didn't want to actually make money from anything nefarious, and the bounty was more than just "a few pennies"
- oridb 18d ago
  Well, sure, the same way that I can "cook" a three michelin star meal by going out to eat at the French Laundry. It's just boring. And the people that crow about "their" accomplishments are tiresome.
  - zorkonator 18d ago
    Hypervisor bugs are boring? Maybe to you.
    - oridb 18d ago
      Hiring someone else to find them is boring as hell. If you only care about being spoonfed results, I don't think there's much to talk about.
Game_Ender 18d ago
The headline here is off, PS5 Linux relies on bugs for installs, and the project couldn’t keep the last know hypervisor bug secret: > Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.” So what has really happened is the LLMs have lowered the participation floor for this space enough the dynamics are changing. The new comers would rather have a few dollars vs. the founders who would rather have a project. It’s likely the projects days were numbered either way because Sony could also just take a frontier LLM and examine any released installer for the project and reverse engineer and bug.
- WD-42 18d ago
  So the slop kiddies both don’t understand what they are doing, and they ruin the party for everyone else. Nice.
  - monegator 18d ago
    As usual: Normies end up destroying every community they get into
- itomato 18d ago
  Lowered the barrier to entry, but also raised the stakes. My money is on dedication to the high-stakes problem. How old was this bug? How much energy has been devoted to RE of this proprietary console? Not enough, apparently.
- parineum 18d ago
  Everyone in this scene knows upgrading your console is sure path to getting yourself locked out of current and probably future exploits. I don't think anything really changed here. The moment these exploits go public, they'll be patched in the next version. This vulnerability will still exist in older versions. The project can still continue development of Linux on PS5 and, eventually, another exploit will be found that enables the installation on a later version. Frankly, based on the language used, a resignation over this seems to have a lot more to do with the person being upset that LLMs are lowering the bar for entry. They seem more upset that their skills aren't as useful as they were. It seems like the reputation as a PS5 hacker was the objective, not getting Linux running on PS5.
0x69420 18d ago
now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency. remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a year now, except instead of "updated README.md" it's some vaguely-plausible fix... then you read the PR body and someone couldn't even be bothered to, or, just as likely couldn't explain it themselves. and that sort of sinking dread sets in.
- scronkfinkle 18d ago
  > remember hacktoberfest 2020? Oh man, if you read the threads about that it's such a time capsule of a different era: e.g. from this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628342 > I am honestly surprised how little SPAM there is on GitHub in general. Please don’t take that as a challenge!
  - throwup238 18d ago
    Microsoft took it as a challenge.
- jwcooper 18d ago
  I would guess we'll start seeing more open source projects with much tighter restrictions on who can participate. Closed contributions and heavily automated (or even closed) issue tracking is probably already happening and will spread faster. I entirely sympathize with these maintainers too. I've had 2 instances where an LLM has surfaced a bug and I just couldn't get myself to open a PR and dump more work onto these maintainers, even after manually writing one up (neither were critical bugs, it's fine). Seeing popular projects (like hermes) having 5k issues and 5k pull requests is madness.
  - staminade 18d ago
    On the other hand we'll probably see a lot more fully vibecoded projects gaining traction, because of the rate at which they can move once human design and review gets taken out of the equation. For example, I recently came across Hucre, https://github.com/productdevbook/hucre https://github.com/productdevbook/hucre, which is a JS spreadsheet library apparently developed entirely in the past few months and which has already gained 2.2k GH stars. Is it any good? Who knows, but the alternatives for spreadsheet handling in JS aren't great, either being limited, semi-commercial, or unmaintained. And creating a new one without LLM-assistance is a huge, painful, mostly thankless undertaking. It's not surprising that a zero-dependency option that promises to do everything this can do would be popular. Everyone has had the experience of butting their head against functionality limitations of open-source libraries. Fully vibecoded libraries will be able to add functionality at a rate that human-authored ones can't. Code quality might suffer, but if a library has a feature you need, and you've got a deadline to hit, are you going to avoid using it? Is the average developer? Or the average LLM? I think we're about to hit an interesting period of human-only projects competing with vibecoded ones, and it'll be an acid test as to whether the pro and anti claims about AI-coding bear out in terms of code reliably.
eugenekolo 18d ago
Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. It's definitely become a game of just spam claude for answers with zero understanding or care for how anything actually works. That's fine to get things done and fine for a lot of side projects, but it definitely ruins the joy that people have in understanding systems and working with intellectuals.
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- vouaobrasil 18d ago
  In general, society is experience a decoupling of fun from work. I can't say I enjoy every aspect of my job, but it's nice to enjoy some of it, and lots of people do find a lot of their job at least somewhat rewarding. People who hate their job of course like to come out of the woodwork and say no one should enjoy it, but isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people can enjoy their work? I used to enjoy teaching but I'd never get a teaching job now because of how AI is being used in that sector. Technophiles will say that we should embrace the future because its inevitable but how many good people quitting does it take before they realize that a vibe-coded future of fun isn't all there is to life?
  - p-e-w 18d ago
    > but isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people can enjoy their work? That’s an interesting question. I thought about it for a minute and was surprised that I came to the conclusion that the answer isn’t obviously “yes”. An analogous question is “isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people are rich?”, and I think that question should make it clearer to many people why that is so.
    - latexr 18d ago
      > An analogous question is “isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people are rich?” There’s a crucial difference between the two questions. “Rich” is a relative term: If everyone had the same amount of money, no one would be rich, you need someone to be worse off (poor) to have someone better off (rich). But someone enjoying their work has no bearing on someone else’s enjoyment of theirs.
ChrisRR 18d ago
This title and the first quote are misleading. A dev found an undisclosed hypervisor exploit using AI that TheFlow0 had been using and keeping secret, but the other dev had informed Sony to collect the bug bounty. It's an issue that the dev attempted to collect the bug bounty, AI or no
- softwaredoug 18d ago
  “Using and keeping secret” - for nefarious purposes? Or to make Linux work on PS5?
  - ChrisRR 18d ago
    Well given his history, it's almost definitely to make linux work
- forgotpwd16 18d ago
  Ok, that's indeed much different from what title implies, essentially attempting to contribute with AI code/reviews. Sony pays $$$$ for security exploits. If indeed a "slop kiddy", i.e. a noob fooling around with an LLM, found it, and if they aren't interested in homebrew scene like theflow, makes no sense not to report it and wait, as it's a bug that's now trivial to find, and can expect many others to.
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blablabla123 18d ago
It's strange working on Opensource these days. I've mostly worked on my own stuff alone which usually doesn't get much attention/additional contribution. Then I see on Reddit, HN or LinkedIn someone creating a major App or Plugin in a weekend. Sometimes I take a closer look the artisanal quality is effectively unmaintainable, at least for humans. But in the end it's hard to get a good overview, and the sheer quantity seems to dwarf any other efforts. Not to mention how the code can then be sourced by an AI model in an instant without any credit.
freedomben 18d ago
> it seems that vibe-coders, or “slop kiddies” as the modder dubbed them, used AI to detect a bug that they were using to crack consoles, and reported it to Sony for a bounty. That would indeed be incredibly demoralizing, even crushing. Quite a dick move. Now that said, I imagine it was only a matter of time anyway until Sony found/fixed or someone else did the same thing. It's just a different world now. As much as I'd love a non locked down PS5, anyone buying one knows what they're getting. If you care about user empowerment, PC (Valve hardware, etc) is the place to put your money and time. Sony is actively hostile toward you and wants you locked down, and trying to fight it with exploits is destined to be a nasty cat and mouse game. Go with a vendor that is more aligned to your values.
- zb3 18d ago
  So the non-noob-but-asshole (supposedly talented) dev was relying on the fact that Sony would not run the same tools "noobs" did. Well, that's.. not smart.
kmeisthax 18d ago
> “Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.” Ever since consoles became moving targets there's been deliberate gatekeeping - specifically, drip-feeding of bugs - to maximize the chance someone can actually use them to break DRM and install Linux. This relies on the fact that most people do not want to have to become FreeBSD kernel experts in order to install non-PlayStation software on their PlayStation. But if everyone is vibe-hacking their PS5s then none of this logic applies. Any bug Claude can find is one Sony also knows about and will get patched, possibly before you even release an exploit for it. How this ultimately plays out depends on if it's even possible to write software without bugs. Maybe this reaches a new equilibrium where people are paying Claude to vibe-code jailbreaks - as I'd initially hoped. But it's equally as likely that this winds up reinforcing DRM rather than weakening it, for a few reasons: 1. Anthropic's AI safetyism culture encourages the prohibition of vibe-coded jailbreaks. The fact that the model runs on a server and people are spying on your chatlogs means Anthropic has actual knowledge of who is actually using their service to find PS5 hypervisor bugs. Letting Claude break DRM is legally risky; DMCA 1201 implies the only lawful way to break DRM is for you to find your own bugs. So it's probably not going to be long until everyone vibe-coding jailbreaks will get banned. 2. Sony will not be getting banned from these services, they will get trusted access as they're big enough for Anthropic to sue if it gets misused. 3. The attack surface of the thing you have to actually compromise to get code execution on any locked-down system is really small. The Xbox 360 had a 15+ year gap[0] of no softmodding because they'd isolated all the memory protection into a hypervisor. Apple learned the same lesson and iPhone jailbreaking went from incredibly commonplace to "if you know how to do it someone at Zerodium will hand you a million dollars to write spyware with it". [0] AFAIK, the only two actual softmoddable bugs on Xbox 360 were the King Kong hack right at launch, which got patched in like a week, and that BadUpdate thing last year.
random3 18d ago
There’s also the other side of the same coin where maintainers ignore your contributions. I’m happily forking things permanently and will likely rewrite them on cleaner foundations. I’ve never loved my tools more than I do now when I can get them coded at the same pace I think of them. On the other hand, it’s been clear for a while that software as we knew will end up at a close to 0 marginal value.
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ltbarcly3 18d ago
I think the reason to not invest your time in PS5 linux is that sony hates it and will patch it away over and over, and nobody really wants it. It's $200, mediocre hardware. I might be showing a lot of unc energy here, but if you can't afford a raspberry pi or something to play with linux, or a used pc, gaming and having a playstation 5 should be de prioritized for a bit while you get your life together.
- forgotpwd16 18d ago
  You've misunderstood something deeply. PS5 Linux doesn't exist because running Linux on PS5 is something useful or practical. Exists due to the curiosity and fun of running a free OS on a locked-down device. Maybe some nostalgia mixed in as Linux has existed in every other PS (even PSP/PS Vita).
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- alexjplant 18d ago
  > I might be showing a lot of unc energy here, but if you can't afford a raspberry pi or something to play with linux, or a used pc, gaming and having a playstation 5 should be de prioritized for a bit while you get your life together. Your comment is framed as though Linux usage and what you deem an unstable lifestyle (lack of monetary means in your judgment) are mutually exclusive. Open-source software is for everybody, including the messy or disenfranchised. Would you frame a kid who got a PS5 for Christmas who doesn't have an allowance or job as a failure because they don't have $100 to spend on a Pi? It sounds like you just look down on people playing video games even when they want to use the very thing you're implicitly deriding to do the thing that you think they should be doing... doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
  - ltbarcly3 17d ago
    Your argument contains a category error. I am arguing based on what is adaptive and in a person's best interests. You are countering that they have the right to be a mess and still have hobbies. That does not answer my point at all; I agree with you that people who are a mess still have the right to enjoy whatever hobbies they want. Is someone who owns a PS5 but can't put together $100 a failure? Assuming they are older than 16, unqualified yes. They are a failure and also a loser by any colloquial definition. TLC refers to them as a scrub. Their romantic partners' parents are gently encouraging them to end the relationship. There are almost certainly more than 7 empty cans within easy reach of wherever they are sitting right now.
catlikesshrimp 18d ago
Too many people are reading at the momment. Check it here https://web.archive.org/web/20260916123755/https://frvr.com/blog/news/ps5-linux-lead-quits-as-open-source-projects-have-become-a-bunch-of-noobs-using-llms-that-they-dont-even-understand/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260916123755/https://frvr.com/... Hopefully "people" doesn't mean scrapers
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shevy-java 18d ago
Folks, AI skynet is currently winning the war. LLMs have taken over so many projects already. If I were young, would I want to contribute to projects maintained these days via AI slop? I would not find that interesting at all.
- brokencode 18d ago
  I mean, it sounds like a ton of inexperienced developers are finding it quite enjoyable, because they’re doing it in massive numbers. It seems more like a spirit drainer for the experienced maintainers who have to deal with the onslaught. I suspect we’re going to see much more strict projects with fewer allowed contributors going forward. Though on the upside, an experienced dev can use AI to become more productive, so perhaps they will be less dependent on contributions.
VadimPR 18d ago
We've solved this in our FOSS project by requiring all PRs to have been tested and manually signed off by a human. It significantly decreased the amount of spammy LLM made PRs, while empowering the core contributors to move faster.
- chambored 18d ago
  How is that enforced?
- TiredOfLife 17d ago
  That solved 3rd parties finding and reporting exploits to Sony?
cyberrock 18d ago
I've seen kiddies take advantage of homebrew developers to develop game piracy many times, but this is the first time I've seen kiddies do it to fix the exploit for the bug bounty. How the times have changed.
gafferongames 18d ago
Gatekeeping at its finest
- fishgoesblub 18d ago
  There's no gatekeeping here.
- bigstrat2003 18d ago
  Gatekeeping is a good thing. It's how communities stay healthy and vibrant. Gatekeeping means that when someone shows up to your birdwatching club and says "I hate going outdoors, can we just look at photos of birds from the Internet?", you politely but firmly say "sorry, this isn't the club for you". If you don't do this, then soon enough your club won't be about birdwatching at all, but will be about looking at pictures on the Internet. Same goes for any other community or subculture: it is perfectly okay to say "we aren't changing our standards, and this activity may not be for you". Of course gatekeeping can also be toxic. But anything can be toxic if applied too much. You can die from water poisoning, that doesn't mean water is bad. It means you need to not overdo it. I've seen what a lack of gatekeeping has done to many communities I used to enjoy (including programming), and I think it's high time we did more gatekeeping. We don't want to overdo it, but right now we are doing far too little and that needs to change.
zb3 18d ago
Good, hopefully "noobs" with LLMs will replace assholes.
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1970-01-01 18d ago
This qualifies as "AI took away my job" but we are dismissing that because the AI influence was indirectly responsible for the job loss.
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dmitrygr 18d ago
TFA seems dead. archived: https://archive.is/ZbsP2 https://archive.is/ZbsP2
Aurornis 18d ago
Person 1 finds an exploit the old fashioned way. Keeps it secret because they’re doing some PS5 Linux work and want to keep it unpatched until GTA6 releases in 2 weeks. I don’t have a PS5 but I assume new games might require a firmware update to play? Person 2 uses an LLM and finds the same exploit. Person 1 asks Person 2 not to report it and collect the bounty until GTA6 is released. Person 2 agrees. Person 3 also finds the same exploit independently. Person 2 discovers that Person 3 has found the exploit. Person 2 decides the cat is out of the bag and submits it to Sony while they still have a chance. Now the community is angry that Person 2 didn’t sacrifice the bounty. PS5 Linux effort seemingly falls apart in response? Departing developer directs community to be angry at Person 2, who is taking time away to be with their critically ill mother. Honestly I can’t blame Person 2. They earned the bounty and played by the rules of the bounty program. The PS5 Linux dev who abandoned the project and started deleting things is entitled to do so, but blaming Person 2 for the crash out is too much.
- dmitrygr 18d ago
  > earned the bounty Yeah, nothing like the hard work of typing "look at this binary and find a bug" The sweat, the tears it must have taken!
  - user43928 18d ago
    Do you know whether this was a simple prompt or if it took an expert 20 hours with AI use? The link is not loading for me, so I could not access the article.
  - asadm 18d ago
    everybody has access to the models, including Sony. If they still offer bounty, then they earned the bounty.
  - hkchad 17d ago
    Tell us you know nothing of how AI development work without telling us.
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digitalsushi 18d ago
My mom sure can hydrate a pizza. My grandma, rest her soul, said mom has no artistry in it. I heard stories that my grandmother worked the dough with her bare hands (ew); it always came out slightly different; more ridiculous, I heard her generation would devote a portion of an entire day (if you can even humor that ridiculous notion) to pizzacraft. Grandma was always a broken record with that stuff. The family would sit around that table, apparently, gabbing about nothing, and everything, just staring into a raw pizza, pulling and stretching it, starting over, living with their hunger, for a flawed process to bake slowly. These days, fresh pizza is 10 seconds away, it's always identical and we never have to share. It's hydrated, eaten, and in the trash by the time I am onto my next attention, always perfect, always on time, always identical. I don't think about this much, but I sometimes really feel pity for what the old timers suffered through, all those ridiculous, pointless wasted interactions and delays, sitting there for what felt like ages, for a random pizza shaped thing. I dont get it.
- Lt_Riza_Hawkeye 18d ago
  okay, but what about people who get more enjoyment out of talking to their family while performing a shared task, than eating the pizza. showing up to the pizza making session a frozen pizza from the store says "I don't want to talk to you"
  - articulatepang 17d ago
    Pretty sure the comment you’re replying to is satire, and that you agree with each other.
    - anal_reactor 17d ago
      Media literacy is hitting record lows
- AngryData 18d ago
  I don't get why you would view something tasting exactly the same every time as a benefit.
poopiokaka 18d ago
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d2index 18d ago
I imagine this is happening in most cognitive labor jobs, not limited to hobbyist projects or professional SWE teams.
conorcleary 18d ago
inb4 being 'experts using LLMs that they don't understand' becomes the next bleeding edge bubble
antibarbarus 17d ago
Too many people are fixating on AI and missing the point. Oh the dev was salty because people can use AI, oh he's just angry that an LLM can do his work now and his skills are becoming "useless"...It's not about AI, it's about the community? The guy is clearly burned out, fighting an uphill battle, and feeling like it's no longer worth it. He could have reported the bug and taken the money, but he didn't. To judge him for feeling upset that someone else did that, and not give him credit for not taking the money in order to contribute more to the community, is... well it's a choice, I guess. The LLM wave hasn't really produced this upswell of terrific apps or ideas the "common man" would've made if he only knew how to code. It's just slop, usually made at the level of the lowest common denominator, literal bespoke software nothing can coalesce around. The exceptions are few and far between, and they usually started before AI and adapted to using it as an existing community. If thisnsort of behaviour is going to become the norm for the future, there will be no future, and I'd want to get out too? There will always be the one guy that's just hungry enough to not care about others and they'll take the money. No community can form around that, it'll never even get a chance to start up under such conditions.
FrankyHollywood 17d ago
"Slop kiddies":D
MetroWind 17d ago
This can't be about LLM. They could just ban LLM PRs like many projects do.
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gamessucknow 18d ago
Why do these booster accounts always sound like they have just a slightly sub-average IQ?
- garyhasapoint 18d ago
  gamessucknow i think you may have a hidden bias
  - MadSudaca 18d ago
    how can it be a hidden bias if you just called it out?
- cindyllm 18d ago
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- dpmartinez 18d ago
  It has been a week of you on this site and you haven't even bought a mirror. I'm sure you do realise you're talking about yourself?
  - xerox13ster 18d ago
    I’m confused. Is the “power of the community” to narc on themselves to the corporations that they are building their community around, only to have the corporations destroy the community’s efforts? Because that’s what happened here. This isn’t a case of gatekeepers self selecting out. This is a case of slop kiddies making it impossible for him to continue to do his work by reporting it to Sony for personal profit and having them lock down the exploits he was using. If that’s the power of the community, if that is the future, then he is right and you are wrong. This is not a case of a gatekeeper slowing down development. This is a case of the slop kids making it fucking impossible to continue development. This is the worst outcome and your brain is so cooked by AI that you’re seeing it as the opposite. Where is the AI generated Linux kernel for PS5? What lockdown corporate product have the slop coders managed to put Linux on? Anybody vibe cracked an oculus headset or Apple Vision Pro or the Xbox? Some individual profited and the community ended up with less.
- deadbabe 18d ago
  Because they are anti-intellectuals. They do not want people to hold influence by having massive intelligence.
vinyl7 18d ago
More like shit software is the future
jplusequalt 18d ago
>The community can now contribute code and solve issues more faster rather than a handful of people gatekeeping slowing down development Everyone hates gatekeeping until they don't. Watch quality go down, issues increase, project direction become muddied, and suddenly people will be calling for more gatekeepers!
dopple 18d ago
Alas, the age of slop is inevitable. We must unleash the kraken of slop upon us all! Rejoice, for resistance is futile!
ktimespi 18d ago
The article is about using it to the detriment of the community...
3form 18d ago
I would hardly call the requirement to understand the code you push "gatekeeping".
- toomuchtodo 18d ago
  LLMs make excellent people better and mediocre people confident, from first hand experience working with both and asking both cohorts to show me how they use them.

arnaudsm 18d ago

Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744 https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

kotaKat 18d ago
All Sony had to do was give us a path forward to run our own code on the PS5. But I guess Sony being a gatekeeper wasn't a gatekeeper enough for certain regulatory agencies.
seki285 18d ago
Nothing misleading about the title and you are splitting hairs.
- arnaudsm 18d ago
  Omitting half of the story is misleading, this isn't a pro/anti LLM story. Vibecoding has been the norm for months, it's the embargo violation today that triggered his resignation.
  - lokar 18d ago
    The headline accurately summarizes the main point of the story, and the part that is emphasized is from the subject of the story.
  - lovich 18d ago
    > …been the norm for months… You know, it’s petty, but I think one of the things I hate the most about AI is that it surpassed front end JavaScript frameworks in terms of changing what the standard is every few years. What’s the point of learning anything if it becomes obsolete faster than the seasons change?
    - Daishiman 18d ago
      To be fair the JS frontend communities brought this to themselves way before LLM slop.

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orangecat 18d ago
Then I would imagine anyone else could have found it. Right, including Sony. AI finding security flaws is very good in general, but one downside is that it will become easier to make "secure" devices that are hostile toward their owners.
- IslandRebel 18d ago
  Sure, but that wasn't what I was getting at. The guy is complaining about the exploit being disclosed to Sony, but anyone who used the same tools could have found it. It's kind of like complaining that someone has spoilt the ending to a film when it been out for over a year.
TuxSH 18d ago
> If one user could have found this using AI. Then I would imagine anyone else could have found it. People are still fixated on using AI to produce code (to reduce salary costs/dev time) rather than using it to audit bugs in one own's code, which they are better at. The latter has "always" been obvious to me.
charcircuit 17d ago
A second AI user found it before the bug got reported.

aleksejs 18d ago

Fascinating times we live in, when "the last hypervisor bug" in what is presumably one of the most hardened pieces of consumer hardware can be found by "noobs" and "slop kiddies".

NietTim 18d ago
Makes you wonder if it really was "noobs" and "slop kiddies" that found it.
- Catloafdev 18d ago
  No, it doesn't. Nobody would go do this just to report it to Sony for a few pennies. That is a non-existent motivation for people in the know, who understand the opportunity cost.
  - ChrisRR 18d ago
    Unless they didn't want to actually make money from anything nefarious, and the bounty was more than just "a few pennies"
oridb 18d ago
Well, sure, the same way that I can "cook" a three michelin star meal by going out to eat at the French Laundry. It's just boring. And the people that crow about "their" accomplishments are tiresome.
- zorkonator 18d ago
  Hypervisor bugs are boring? Maybe to you.
  - oridb 18d ago
    Hiring someone else to find them is boring as hell. If you only care about being spoonfed results, I don't think there's much to talk about.

Game_Ender 18d ago

The headline here is off, PS5 Linux relies on bugs for installs, and the project couldn’t keep the last know hypervisor bug secret: > Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.” So what has really happened is the LLMs have lowered the participation floor for this space enough the dynamics are changing. The new comers would rather have a few dollars vs. the founders who would rather have a project. It’s likely the projects days were numbered either way because Sony could also just take a frontier LLM and examine any released installer for the project and reverse engineer and bug.

WD-42 18d ago
So the slop kiddies both don’t understand what they are doing, and they ruin the party for everyone else. Nice.
- monegator 18d ago
  As usual: Normies end up destroying every community they get into
itomato 18d ago
Lowered the barrier to entry, but also raised the stakes. My money is on dedication to the high-stakes problem. How old was this bug? How much energy has been devoted to RE of this proprietary console? Not enough, apparently.
parineum 18d ago
Everyone in this scene knows upgrading your console is sure path to getting yourself locked out of current and probably future exploits. I don't think anything really changed here. The moment these exploits go public, they'll be patched in the next version. This vulnerability will still exist in older versions. The project can still continue development of Linux on PS5 and, eventually, another exploit will be found that enables the installation on a later version. Frankly, based on the language used, a resignation over this seems to have a lot more to do with the person being upset that LLMs are lowering the bar for entry. They seem more upset that their skills aren't as useful as they were. It seems like the reputation as a PS5 hacker was the objective, not getting Linux running on PS5.

0x69420 18d ago

now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency. remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a year now, except instead of "updated README.md" it's some vaguely-plausible fix... then you read the PR body and someone couldn't even be bothered to, or, just as likely couldn't explain it themselves. and that sort of sinking dread sets in.

scronkfinkle 18d ago
> remember hacktoberfest 2020? Oh man, if you read the threads about that it's such a time capsule of a different era: e.g. from this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31628342 > I am honestly surprised how little SPAM there is on GitHub in general. Please don’t take that as a challenge!
- throwup238 18d ago
  Microsoft took it as a challenge.
jwcooper 18d ago
I would guess we'll start seeing more open source projects with much tighter restrictions on who can participate. Closed contributions and heavily automated (or even closed) issue tracking is probably already happening and will spread faster. I entirely sympathize with these maintainers too. I've had 2 instances where an LLM has surfaced a bug and I just couldn't get myself to open a PR and dump more work onto these maintainers, even after manually writing one up (neither were critical bugs, it's fine). Seeing popular projects (like hermes) having 5k issues and 5k pull requests is madness.
- staminade 18d ago
  On the other hand we'll probably see a lot more fully vibecoded projects gaining traction, because of the rate at which they can move once human design and review gets taken out of the equation. For example, I recently came across Hucre, https://github.com/productdevbook/hucre https://github.com/productdevbook/hucre, which is a JS spreadsheet library apparently developed entirely in the past few months and which has already gained 2.2k GH stars. Is it any good? Who knows, but the alternatives for spreadsheet handling in JS aren't great, either being limited, semi-commercial, or unmaintained. And creating a new one without LLM-assistance is a huge, painful, mostly thankless undertaking. It's not surprising that a zero-dependency option that promises to do everything this can do would be popular. Everyone has had the experience of butting their head against functionality limitations of open-source libraries. Fully vibecoded libraries will be able to add functionality at a rate that human-authored ones can't. Code quality might suffer, but if a library has a feature you need, and you've got a deadline to hit, are you going to avoid using it? Is the average developer? Or the average LLM? I think we're about to hit an interesting period of human-only projects competing with vibecoded ones, and it'll be an acid test as to whether the pro and anti claims about AI-coding bear out in terms of code reliably.

eugenekolo 18d ago

Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. It's definitely become a game of just spam claude for answers with zero understanding or care for how anything actually works. That's fine to get things done and fine for a lot of side projects, but it definitely ruins the joy that people have in understanding systems and working with intellectuals.

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vouaobrasil 18d ago
In general, society is experience a decoupling of fun from work. I can't say I enjoy every aspect of my job, but it's nice to enjoy some of it, and lots of people do find a lot of their job at least somewhat rewarding. People who hate their job of course like to come out of the woodwork and say no one should enjoy it, but isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people can enjoy their work? I used to enjoy teaching but I'd never get a teaching job now because of how AI is being used in that sector. Technophiles will say that we should embrace the future because its inevitable but how many good people quitting does it take before they realize that a vibe-coded future of fun isn't all there is to life?
- p-e-w 18d ago
  > but isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people can enjoy their work? That’s an interesting question. I thought about it for a minute and was surprised that I came to the conclusion that the answer isn’t obviously “yes”. An analogous question is “isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people are rich?”, and I think that question should make it clearer to many people why that is so.
  - latexr 18d ago
    > An analogous question is “isn't it nice to have a society where at least some people are rich?” There’s a crucial difference between the two questions. “Rich” is a relative term: If everyone had the same amount of money, no one would be rich, you need someone to be worse off (poor) to have someone better off (rich). But someone enjoying their work has no bearing on someone else’s enjoyment of theirs.

ChrisRR 18d ago

This title and the first quote are misleading. A dev found an undisclosed hypervisor exploit using AI that TheFlow0 had been using and keeping secret, but the other dev had informed Sony to collect the bug bounty. It's an issue that the dev attempted to collect the bug bounty, AI or no

softwaredoug 18d ago
“Using and keeping secret” - for nefarious purposes? Or to make Linux work on PS5?
- ChrisRR 18d ago
  Well given his history, it's almost definitely to make linux work
forgotpwd16 18d ago
Ok, that's indeed much different from what title implies, essentially attempting to contribute with AI code/reviews. Sony pays $$$$ for security exploits. If indeed a "slop kiddy", i.e. a noob fooling around with an LLM, found it, and if they aren't interested in homebrew scene like theflow, makes no sense not to report it and wait, as it's a bug that's now trivial to find, and can expect many others to.

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blablabla123 18d ago

It's strange working on Opensource these days. I've mostly worked on my own stuff alone which usually doesn't get much attention/additional contribution. Then I see on Reddit, HN or LinkedIn someone creating a major App or Plugin in a weekend. Sometimes I take a closer look the artisanal quality is effectively unmaintainable, at least for humans. But in the end it's hard to get a good overview, and the sheer quantity seems to dwarf any other efforts. Not to mention how the code can then be sourced by an AI model in an instant without any credit.

freedomben 18d ago

> it seems that vibe-coders, or “slop kiddies” as the modder dubbed them, used AI to detect a bug that they were using to crack consoles, and reported it to Sony for a bounty. That would indeed be incredibly demoralizing, even crushing. Quite a dick move. Now that said, I imagine it was only a matter of time anyway until Sony found/fixed or someone else did the same thing. It's just a different world now. As much as I'd love a non locked down PS5, anyone buying one knows what they're getting. If you care about user empowerment, PC (Valve hardware, etc) is the place to put your money and time. Sony is actively hostile toward you and wants you locked down, and trying to fight it with exploits is destined to be a nasty cat and mouse game. Go with a vendor that is more aligned to your values.

zb3 18d ago
So the non-noob-but-asshole (supposedly talented) dev was relying on the fact that Sony would not run the same tools "noobs" did. Well, that's.. not smart.

kmeisthax 18d ago

> “Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony,” the modder said on social media. “I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.” Ever since consoles became moving targets there's been deliberate gatekeeping - specifically, drip-feeding of bugs - to maximize the chance someone can actually use them to break DRM and install Linux. This relies on the fact that most people do not want to have to become FreeBSD kernel experts in order to install non-PlayStation software on their PlayStation. But if everyone is vibe-hacking their PS5s then none of this logic applies. Any bug Claude can find is one Sony also knows about and will get patched, possibly before you even release an exploit for it. How this ultimately plays out depends on if it's even possible to write software without bugs. Maybe this reaches a new equilibrium where people are paying Claude to vibe-code jailbreaks - as I'd initially hoped. But it's equally as likely that this winds up reinforcing DRM rather than weakening it, for a few reasons: 1. Anthropic's AI safetyism culture encourages the prohibition of vibe-coded jailbreaks. The fact that the model runs on a server and people are spying on your chatlogs means Anthropic has actual knowledge of who is actually using their service to find PS5 hypervisor bugs. Letting Claude break DRM is legally risky; DMCA 1201 implies the only lawful way to break DRM is for you to find your own bugs. So it's probably not going to be long until everyone vibe-coding jailbreaks will get banned. 2. Sony will not be getting banned from these services, they will get trusted access as they're big enough for Anthropic to sue if it gets misused. 3. The attack surface of the thing you have to actually compromise to get code execution on any locked-down system is really small. The Xbox 360 had a 15+ year gap[0] of no softmodding because they'd isolated all the memory protection into a hypervisor. Apple learned the same lesson and iPhone jailbreaking went from incredibly commonplace to "if you know how to do it someone at Zerodium will hand you a million dollars to write spyware with it". [0] AFAIK, the only two actual softmoddable bugs on Xbox 360 were the King Kong hack right at launch, which got patched in like a week, and that BadUpdate thing last year.

random3 18d ago

There’s also the other side of the same coin where maintainers ignore your contributions. I’m happily forking things permanently and will likely rewrite them on cleaner foundations. I’ve never loved my tools more than I do now when I can get them coded at the same pace I think of them. On the other hand, it’s been clear for a while that software as we knew will end up at a close to 0 marginal value.

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ltbarcly3 18d ago

I think the reason to not invest your time in PS5 linux is that sony hates it and will patch it away over and over, and nobody really wants it. It's $200, mediocre hardware. I might be showing a lot of unc energy here, but if you can't afford a raspberry pi or something to play with linux, or a used pc, gaming and having a playstation 5 should be de prioritized for a bit while you get your life together.

forgotpwd16 18d ago
You've misunderstood something deeply. PS5 Linux doesn't exist because running Linux on PS5 is something useful or practical. Exists due to the curiosity and fun of running a free OS on a locked-down device. Maybe some nostalgia mixed in as Linux has existed in every other PS (even PSP/PS Vita).
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alexjplant 18d ago
> I might be showing a lot of unc energy here, but if you can't afford a raspberry pi or something to play with linux, or a used pc, gaming and having a playstation 5 should be de prioritized for a bit while you get your life together. Your comment is framed as though Linux usage and what you deem an unstable lifestyle (lack of monetary means in your judgment) are mutually exclusive. Open-source software is for everybody, including the messy or disenfranchised. Would you frame a kid who got a PS5 for Christmas who doesn't have an allowance or job as a failure because they don't have $100 to spend on a Pi? It sounds like you just look down on people playing video games even when they want to use the very thing you're implicitly deriding to do the thing that you think they should be doing... doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
- ltbarcly3 17d ago
  Your argument contains a category error. I am arguing based on what is adaptive and in a person's best interests. You are countering that they have the right to be a mess and still have hobbies. That does not answer my point at all; I agree with you that people who are a mess still have the right to enjoy whatever hobbies they want. Is someone who owns a PS5 but can't put together $100 a failure? Assuming they are older than 16, unqualified yes. They are a failure and also a loser by any colloquial definition. TLC refers to them as a scrub. Their romantic partners' parents are gently encouraging them to end the relationship. There are almost certainly more than 7 empty cans within easy reach of wherever they are sitting right now.

catlikesshrimp 18d ago

Too many people are reading at the momment. Check it here https://web.archive.org/web/20260916123755/https://frvr.com/blog/news/ps5-linux-lead-quits-as-open-source-projects-have-become-a-bunch-of-noobs-using-llms-that-they-dont-even-understand/ https://web.archive.org/web/20260916123755/https://frvr.com/... Hopefully "people" doesn't mean scrapers

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shevy-java 18d ago

Folks, AI skynet is currently winning the war. LLMs have taken over so many projects already. If I were young, would I want to contribute to projects maintained these days via AI slop? I would not find that interesting at all.

brokencode 18d ago
I mean, it sounds like a ton of inexperienced developers are finding it quite enjoyable, because they’re doing it in massive numbers. It seems more like a spirit drainer for the experienced maintainers who have to deal with the onslaught. I suspect we’re going to see much more strict projects with fewer allowed contributors going forward. Though on the upside, an experienced dev can use AI to become more productive, so perhaps they will be less dependent on contributions.

VadimPR 18d ago

We've solved this in our FOSS project by requiring all PRs to have been tested and manually signed off by a human. It significantly decreased the amount of spammy LLM made PRs, while empowering the core contributors to move faster.

chambored 18d ago
How is that enforced?
TiredOfLife 17d ago
That solved 3rd parties finding and reporting exploits to Sony?

cyberrock 18d ago

I've seen kiddies take advantage of homebrew developers to develop game piracy many times, but this is the first time I've seen kiddies do it to fix the exploit for the bug bounty. How the times have changed.

gafferongames 18d ago

Gatekeeping at its finest

fishgoesblub 18d ago
There's no gatekeeping here.
bigstrat2003 18d ago
Gatekeeping is a good thing. It's how communities stay healthy and vibrant. Gatekeeping means that when someone shows up to your birdwatching club and says "I hate going outdoors, can we just look at photos of birds from the Internet?", you politely but firmly say "sorry, this isn't the club for you". If you don't do this, then soon enough your club won't be about birdwatching at all, but will be about looking at pictures on the Internet. Same goes for any other community or subculture: it is perfectly okay to say "we aren't changing our standards, and this activity may not be for you". Of course gatekeeping can also be toxic. But anything can be toxic if applied too much. You can die from water poisoning, that doesn't mean water is bad. It means you need to not overdo it. I've seen what a lack of gatekeeping has done to many communities I used to enjoy (including programming), and I think it's high time we did more gatekeeping. We don't want to overdo it, but right now we are doing far too little and that needs to change.

zb3 18d ago

Good, hopefully "noobs" with LLMs will replace assholes.

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1970-01-01 18d ago

This qualifies as "AI took away my job" but we are dismissing that because the AI influence was indirectly responsible for the job loss.

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dmitrygr 18d ago

TFA seems dead. archived: https://archive.is/ZbsP2 https://archive.is/ZbsP2

Aurornis 18d ago

Person 1 finds an exploit the old fashioned way. Keeps it secret because they’re doing some PS5 Linux work and want to keep it unpatched until GTA6 releases in 2 weeks. I don’t have a PS5 but I assume new games might require a firmware update to play? Person 2 uses an LLM and finds the same exploit. Person 1 asks Person 2 not to report it and collect the bounty until GTA6 is released. Person 2 agrees. Person 3 also finds the same exploit independently. Person 2 discovers that Person 3 has found the exploit. Person 2 decides the cat is out of the bag and submits it to Sony while they still have a chance. Now the community is angry that Person 2 didn’t sacrifice the bounty. PS5 Linux effort seemingly falls apart in response? Departing developer directs community to be angry at Person 2, who is taking time away to be with their critically ill mother. Honestly I can’t blame Person 2. They earned the bounty and played by the rules of the bounty program. The PS5 Linux dev who abandoned the project and started deleting things is entitled to do so, but blaming Person 2 for the crash out is too much.

dmitrygr 18d ago
> earned the bounty Yeah, nothing like the hard work of typing "look at this binary and find a bug" The sweat, the tears it must have taken!
- user43928 18d ago
  Do you know whether this was a simple prompt or if it took an expert 20 hours with AI use? The link is not loading for me, so I could not access the article.
- asadm 18d ago
  everybody has access to the models, including Sony. If they still offer bounty, then they earned the bounty.
- hkchad 17d ago
  Tell us you know nothing of how AI development work without telling us.
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digitalsushi 18d ago

My mom sure can hydrate a pizza. My grandma, rest her soul, said mom has no artistry in it. I heard stories that my grandmother worked the dough with her bare hands (ew); it always came out slightly different; more ridiculous, I heard her generation would devote a portion of an entire day (if you can even humor that ridiculous notion) to pizzacraft. Grandma was always a broken record with that stuff. The family would sit around that table, apparently, gabbing about nothing, and everything, just staring into a raw pizza, pulling and stretching it, starting over, living with their hunger, for a flawed process to bake slowly. These days, fresh pizza is 10 seconds away, it's always identical and we never have to share. It's hydrated, eaten, and in the trash by the time I am onto my next attention, always perfect, always on time, always identical. I don't think about this much, but I sometimes really feel pity for what the old timers suffered through, all those ridiculous, pointless wasted interactions and delays, sitting there for what felt like ages, for a random pizza shaped thing. I dont get it.

Lt_Riza_Hawkeye 18d ago
okay, but what about people who get more enjoyment out of talking to their family while performing a shared task, than eating the pizza. showing up to the pizza making session a frozen pizza from the store says "I don't want to talk to you"
- articulatepang 17d ago
  Pretty sure the comment you’re replying to is satire, and that you agree with each other.
  - anal_reactor 17d ago
    Media literacy is hitting record lows
AngryData 18d ago
I don't get why you would view something tasting exactly the same every time as a benefit.

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d2index 18d ago

I imagine this is happening in most cognitive labor jobs, not limited to hobbyist projects or professional SWE teams.

conorcleary 18d ago

inb4 being 'experts using LLMs that they don't understand' becomes the next bleeding edge bubble

antibarbarus 17d ago

Too many people are fixating on AI and missing the point. Oh the dev was salty because people can use AI, oh he's just angry that an LLM can do his work now and his skills are becoming "useless"...It's not about AI, it's about the community? The guy is clearly burned out, fighting an uphill battle, and feeling like it's no longer worth it. He could have reported the bug and taken the money, but he didn't. To judge him for feeling upset that someone else did that, and not give him credit for not taking the money in order to contribute more to the community, is... well it's a choice, I guess. The LLM wave hasn't really produced this upswell of terrific apps or ideas the "common man" would've made if he only knew how to code. It's just slop, usually made at the level of the lowest common denominator, literal bespoke software nothing can coalesce around. The exceptions are few and far between, and they usually started before AI and adapted to using it as an existing community. If thisnsort of behaviour is going to become the norm for the future, there will be no future, and I'd want to get out too? There will always be the one guy that's just hungry enough to not care about others and they'll take the money. No community can form around that, it'll never even get a chance to start up under such conditions.

FrankyHollywood 17d ago

"Slop kiddies":D

MetroWind 17d ago

This can't be about LLM. They could just ban LLM PRs like many projects do.

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