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Apple's Siri AI Can Be Swapped Out for Claude, ChatGPT, Code Shows
- fennecbutt 23d ago"Designed" is a stretch here, lmao.
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- velcrovan 23d agoIs there any hint that Siri can be connected to arbitrary MCP providers?
- nicce 23d agoThat would be really cool, if you can route your local model for it.
- PunchyHamster 23d agoI think that's the end goal, at least looking at where their hardware is going. Or flexible routing with easy tasks running locally and only the more complex ones hitting the cloud
- vinni2 23d agoHmmm then why is it not available in EU?
- djc404 23d agoI think it is because the EU is requiring broader access to the deeper layers that Apple doesn’t want to give. EDIT: by broader I mean all apps the user installs on their phone.
- MBCook 23d agoYes. Besides, if you swapped out the thing underneath, you would still get the UI and branding of Siri. I don’t think that would meet the requirements of the DMA. Would it?
- stetrain 23d agoThere’s a difference between Apple being able to swap out the model in code and Apple letting end users choose which model to use.
- Gareth321 23d agoThis appears to be the current feature prototype intended for the EU and potentially China. Apple has chosen not to release the new Siri AI in the EU because our Digital Markets Act requires them to allow interoperability. I.e. that users be allowed to choose another AI provider. Ostensibly they'll activate this in the EU when it's ready. Given the current functionality, it looks ready (or close to being ready). My guess is it is ready and Apple is doing their usual negotiation tactics with the EU to see who blinks first.
- acuteaura 23d agoMy secret hope is that Tim Cook was the main weight behind cutting off half the new features from Apple software in the EU an attempt to weaponize their users against legislators. Even features that have had analogues where nobody would've ever asked for interoperability (i.e. Handoff/Continuity exists in the EU, but iPhone mirroring doesn't) This is not how politics works here.
- MBCook 23d agoApple proposed a solution to the EU after reportedly extensive talks and asked the EU if it would satisfy them. The EU said “build it then we’ll tell you”, which is crazy. The problem is not having Siri use different models beneath. That’s not what the EU wants. They want Siri to be replaced by Gemini/etc completely. Which fits with the DMA. Apple’s proposal was for something akin to an agent that could gather the necessary data for the 3rd party AI to use. Because what they refused to do is let any other AI have unfettered access to everything whenever it wants. So I suspect this is really for Apple’s benefit. I don’t think the EU would be happy if you could still use Siri, but it was grok underneath. Because that would still be Siri.
- syntaxing 23d agoI would pay a good chunk of money if Apple released a local AI hub to coordinate all AI usage locally (including photo indexing).
- reilly3000 23d agoYou should look at Osaurus.
- tencentshill 23d agoThat is rumored to exist. https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-command-center/ https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-command-center/ Mark Gurman seems to get extraordinarily accurate and detailed leaks. I wonder how Apple got this leaky. Pretty much everything about the Duo was known months in advance.
- delfinom 23d agoWell, either corporate security got incompetent or they intentionally let select leaks exist to "test the market response". Established companies tend to get more risk averse overtime.
- azinman2 23d agoPhoto indexing is already local. What specifically are you looking for?
- thallosaurus 23d agoDon't they need that for China for compliance with their law?
- Gareth321 23d agoPossibly, but certainly the EU.
- Simulacra 23d agoSiri, and Alexa, would be significantly more useful if it could be connected to ChatGPT etc.
- felixgallo 23d agoGood news, Alexa+ (included with Prime) is already an Anthropic model, probably Sonnet.
- pasc1878 23d agoIt happens now – when I ask certain questions Siri asks if I want ChatGPT to answer it.
- MBCook 23d agoThat’s gone in 27. You can still ask ChatGPT by prefixing your request with “ask ChatGPT“ like you’ve been able to for the last two years or so. But it will never prompt you anymore, because Siri AI can handle that stuff now when it couldn’t before. Whether you think it’s better or not is up to you. I do. I also found the version of ChatGPT it used to be worse than the one in the app.
- akie 23d agoThis is a very clever platform play. If you make Siri / your mac the central access point for all AI related workflows and make models interchangeable, then Apple has a huge weapon in the AI race.
- freedomben 23d agoI don't disagree, but I do feel the need to point out this was not Apple's plan A. Luckily for them they have so many tools and options at their disposal, that they are able to massively fail at developing their own models and still end up in a good position.
- dgellow 23d agoApple “genius” has been to accept their plan A failed (the original Apple Intelligence), and instead of doubling down, let the others explore the space, then offer a good interface (I say that, I haven’t seen if it’s actually good). So many other actors in the industry would have just doubled down and follow the race to the bottom
- bel8 23d agoGenius would have been for Apple to get Siri in a better state after so many years. This looks more like a participation medal, if at all.
- dgellow 23d agoThey didn’t invest in Siri and became the most valuable company in history. I don’t think Siri being better would have mattered much to be honest. Not joining the financial black hole that is AI training seems to have benefited them well so far. But yes, it’s definitely a case of failing upwards. Adding quotes around “genius” as it seems you misunderstood what I meant
- bel8 23d ago> They didn’t invest in Siri... What makes you think that? They insisted on Siri for so long and even made a big deal of Apple Intelligence in WWDC. Then Apple threw the towel and waved the white flag with regards to Siri and replaced their efforts with third party AI.
- taybin 23d agoIt’d be short sighted to not have a wrapper around which AI to use, even without implementation for them. Like, having an abstract parent class with a Siri implementation of it would be baseline good software engineering.
- Someone1234 23d agoYeah; plus we know they're designing with potential future local-only Vs. hybrid Vs. cloud-only in mind depending on hardware/market changes. So having it be this flexible buys them a ton of future potential. People have speculated that with FPGAs or even an ASIC you could take some smaller models we have today, turn the chip into essentially that model-as-hardware, and get some really compelling performance/power-usage characteristics. At that point running a GOOD quantized Q8 model on a phone is not beyond the realm.
- donbox 23d agoMaybe we would get LLMs on (pluggable) cartridges.
- pvtmert 23d agoMay happen with Android, not going to happen on $AAPL devices... Heck, even the battery is non-swappable!
- juiceland 23d agoThis is such a funny comment. I’d been hearing about the un-repairability of Apple products for years and I believed it. Then I went to Shenzhen and walked past an entire floor of individuals doing all sorts of “impossible” repairs right in front of the customer.
- fragmede 23d agoThat's "despite", not "because of" Apple.
- sajithdilshan 23d agoThat’s actually a good solution. Create a platform where app actions can be invoked with a permission model by any AI model. Maybe apple can even have something similar to MCPs for tool invocations of apps and publish it so all models can actually be trained to use that framework
- atonse 23d agoI actually think this is what they ended up doing - just regular conversations with tool calling into your various apps, behind a Siri AI API. not HTTP based mcps (for now) but rather local ones.
- crazyeng 23d agoJust playing the devil advocate: what happens when the answers from a not-Apple LLM are garbage? Who the users are going to blame, Apple or OpenAI, Anthropic, etc..? I'm not 100% on Apple side on this, I would love to chose whatever I want, even local models, but I get why trey trying to control 100% of the user experience. If they could trust any provider with customers data, they would let them in, since they're not competitors. They would even let Apple not spend a ton of money on developing LLMs....
- aNoob7000 23d agoIf you are smart enough to change the default, you would know which LLM you picked and could point the finger at it. Apple is in the game of providing an application platform. Maybe in the future they will provide their own LLM.
- layer8 23d agoAre people blaming Apple when Google search in Safari gives garbage results? Some probably are, but that really shouldn’t be a relevant discussion, in particular when the user explicitly chose which AI backend to use.
- sigbottle 23d agoWell, we can generalize this a bit to model routing in general. Actually, just AI in general - even when directly interacting with GPT we haven't figured out good protocols yet.
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- HumblyTossed 23d agoNews at 11: Developers write decoupled code.
- saghm 23d agoIf this consistently has happened at every place you've worked in your career, I think you're luckier than you realize. Independent of the implementation, it's also still interesting as a sign of what might be supported for users down the line; I don't agree that this is how they'd write the code if they never expected to allow another provider, and other comments in the thread have already provided some insight into what the context might be (e.g. EU market).
- MBCook 23d agoApple had enough experience relying on and being screwed by third parties that they have a built-in allergy to it. They do not like being boxed in and always want to be in control of their destiny. This would’ve been useful during their bake off where they were trying to choose if they wanted to go with Google, Anthropic, or OpenAI. But even without that, they would absolutely not want to be in a situation where they had to redo everything to get off a bad partner.
- Danox 22d agoThey are currently getting rid of Qualcomm modems the new fold iPhone is using an Apple in house modem (C2) and due to market conditions Apple will probably have to do something with memory because of the three head cartel and the Chinese.
- MBCook 22d agoApple has a long and contentious relationship with Qualcomm, and Qualcomm is big enough and important enough Apple couldn’t bully them into doing what they want. I think it makes a lot of sense for Apple to control their own destiny there. It’s let them focus on the things they care about like power efficiency and tighter integration. DRAM is a complete commodity. I don’t think making their own makes any sense. They don’t make their own screws. Although the reaction from iFixit would be hilarious. If Apple makes their own DRAM I don’t see how it would be any different from what SK Hynix sells. The useful thing would be fabbing it since that’s the bottleneck. But that commits them to the insanity of running their own fabs and keeping them up-to-date and on the bleeding edge forever. And even if they want to do that, they’d have to buy all the experienced people, the ASML machines that I assume are spoken for for the next few years, etc.
- stego-tech 23d agoNeat. Now let me point it to an OpenAI-compatible API endpoint of my choosing, like a Mac Mini running Hermes on my LAN. I do not want my personal data or the queries against it to leave my network boundaries if at all possible. This should be a default option.
- Grombobulous 23d agoYou can download an app that does that. You don’t have to use Siri, and it can be turned off entirely, or decoupled from AI entirely, and the wake word can be disabled entirely. A lot of options are available. Make a Shortcut that will open your local voice assistant app of choice when you press the action button.
- isodev 23d agoNice, thanks EU for forcing Apple. I guess it was possible all along.
- dd8601fn 23d agoThis is not what EU regulators asked for. They want first class access to user data and devices for would-be alternative providers… which Apple simply won’t allow outside PCC. This is not that. This is expanding the Extensions that you already have. You can look at it in your Settings already. All of which is why EU users are being left behind on the new Apple Intelligence (for now).
- isodev 23d agoHow do you know? Also given that PCC is just marketing speak for "Apple pinky promise they don't read or share the data", it would be nice to get an API with first class access to my own data. So tired of being locked it.
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- Kuyawa 23d agoSiri was the first widely available AI bot but they forgot to open it to developers. The ecosystem would have grown a million fold in all these years Never underestimate the power of a bored programmer Siri turn on the lights Siri code a Doom clone in Swift Siri design a landing page for a Consulting Agency Siri summarize the latest news about AI Siri find a solution to the Riemann hypothesis Now that's an agent I'd use. Can we start with Siri for the terminal? $ Siri 'List the files in this folder'
- Telemakhos 23d agoApfel filled that role: $ apfel "List the files in this folder." https://apfel.franzai.com/ https://apfel.franzai.com/
- Dennip 23d agoI'd settle for a siri that can at least turn the lights off properly. Google assistant on the nvidia shield left Siri in the dust years ago. Siri can't even chain basic commands in your smart home, it can't retain any kind of context (e.g. dim the lights...a bit more).
- Tagbert 23d agoYou haven’t used the beta
- c-hendricks 23d agoI tried "turn off the lights in [room a] and [room b]" in the new Siri app and rather than Siri saying they can't do compound commands they just turned off the lights in one of the two rooms listed. So, progress? Any agent with the Home Assistant MCP hooked up can do it fine.
- fragmede 23d agoNow playing "Turn Off the Lights" by Teddy Pendergrass on Apple Music.
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- vouaobrasil 23d agoIt would be great if AI could be completely removed from iOS altogether, including any underlying frameworks.
- LetsGetTechnicl 23d agoAgreed. I'm not looking forward to iOS 27 where basically the only option is this new Siri. I was perfectly content with using the old "dumb" Siri to set timers, turn on a light and control my Apple TV and nothing else.
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- Forgeties79 23d agoGlad I’ve never turned on Siri
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- Barbing 23d agoThey could definitely take that risk. They could instead make a good assumption that you'll search the web, open the Yelp or OpenTable app. Take your phone to your favorite restaurant and/or pay with a credit card at the grocery store. If you walk to a taco truck without your phone and pay with cash, you probably don’t do that every time and you generate enough data through other means to be accurately advertised to.
- Telemakhos 23d agoApple is highly sensitive to dangers to its reputation. They would nuke any service that seemed to be spying on users, just like they revoked Facebook's cert back in 2019 over the same issue.
- MBCook 23d agoThere’s a reason everyone knows the various wake words. All the big companies know how suicidal that would be. They already get accused of it by people who don’t understand how targeted web advertising works. Some of the new AI start-ups don’t seem to understand that, but Apple absolutely will not make a mistake that stupid.
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- kisamoto 23d agoIn my opinion the OS should broker the communication between harnesses (which is part of Siri), LLMs and app functionality. It can take into account the permissions, the user could configure which LLM to use at an OS system settings level and complex workflows can integrate permissions like FaceID only once as the harness then interacts with APIs exposed by applications (arguably already there with app intents). Self promotion blog article: https://braw.dev/blog/2026-04-06-mobile-os-as-agentic-broker/ https://braw.dev/blog/2026-04-06-mobile-os-as-agentic-broker...
- embedding-shape 23d agoFeels like this is based on the idea that any model is interchangeable with any other, while all of them are better at some stuff, worse at some stuff. Besides, the modern concept of "agent" is what, some year old? Bit fast to ossify stuff in the OSes already.
- kmfrk 23d agoThird-party calls won't eat into Apple's compute, so it's not entirely against the interests of Apple as they put caps on people's AI use. I wonder what the margin on this stuff is for them: Some Apple Intelligence features in the Home app, such as video summaries, are available for a limited number of cameras depending on your iCloud+ plan — up to 1 camera in the 2 TB plan, up to 2 cameras in the 6 TB plan, and up to 5 cameras in the 12 TB plan. Supported camera counts and other iCloud+ plan features may change over time. https://support.apple.com/en-us/127901 https://support.apple.com/en-us/127901
- OptionOfT 23d agoQuite annoying that you need to get the top plan for 5 cameras, and you cannot get more. I like tinkering with this stuff, everything around me is a perpetual lab, so I have more than 5 cameras that I'd like to hook up to this. But I REALLY don't NEED or WANT 12TB or storage. I want all of these integrations to be possible locally, without having to send my data to the cloud. But I cannot. A lot of these nice integrations aren't offered for fully-local setups.
- theturtletalks 23d agoOnce Siri gets MCP support, it’ll be my main orchestrator. I built an app that lets me run terminals on my MacBook. It’s a Next app so I can go to that website on my phone using Tailscale. It has a built-in MCP server, so I can connect it to ChatGPT and have it create terminal sessions, orchestrate terminal sessions, all that good stuff. Down the line, I’d like to be able to connect it to Siri and just talk to my phone and it can control terminal sessions and projects that I’m working on on my laptop.
- c-hendricks 23d agoI'd love it if Siri does, but I don't expect big corps to keep supporting MCP since MCP gives so much control to the end user, can't charge for eg. Google integration when someone can just add an MCP to handle it.
- theturtletalks 23d agoYes even ChatGPT locked MCP support behind plus plans for a while.
- jbellis 23d agoOh, cool. I used tailscale to provide a private web app for my cross-harness orchestrator, too. (https://github.com/BrokkAi/mjolnir/ https://github.com/BrokkAi/mjolnir/)
- davikr 23d agoI don't want to tell Siri to ask Claude or GPT - I want Siri to automatically delegate to another model of my choice when it can't answer something, instead of showing irrelevant web searches.
- rock_artist 23d agoApple Foundations Models Framework already aimed towards some generalized API for models. Personally I like it, just as I would be a little happier if instead of codex/claude/antigravity (rip gemini cli) I would have single standardized interface. With mobile devices especially where ideally models could be shared across several apps. But this specific code I'd assume is targeted to comply with EU regulations more than anything. OT: Since I've moved to Spain my principal Apple account is still in my home country but I've made another one for local app-store (since some local apps aren't available if you're not in the Spanish store). iPhone is acting really strange, I'm logged to my principal account for iCloud+ and anything and local App Store. If I log back to my principal account, I loose HCE mode and my building NFC app stops working until I re-log in the Spanish Apple Store. If I'm logged at the Spanish account, I loose Siri AI which is blocked in the EU...
- TheDong 23d agoAnd you can also sideload apps (only in the EU), change you default navigation app from apple maps (only in the EU), and use more features of the NFC reader (only in the EU). The code for all of those things is there, but not enabled if for most iOS users. There's a non-zero chance this code is there for Apple to try and convince the EU to let them release a Siri AI, and then just like sideloading have some impossible-to-actually-use alternative path to make the DMA happy.
- jeroenhd 23d agoApple can hold the AI customers hostage by locking this level of AI integration to their app store, taking a 30% cut of AI subscriptions while at the same time having someone else fix the reputation of their devices' voice assistant for them. There's profit to be made by offering customers choices here, I'm sure Apple will be ready to scoop up all of those delicious slop dollars.
- cdrnsf 23d agoMy favorite Siri behavior is telling it, on my phone, to turn on a focus state only for it to transfer the request to a nearby HomePod that tells me it can't help with that. I hope the new changes to it are an improvement, but the bar is currently buried in the dirt.
- verdverm 23d agothis is likely true for most applications accessing the standard APIs, a good thing in my book
- vjvjvjvjghv 23d agoSeems Apple's first attempt AI failing two years ago is turning into a blessing. Now they can buy AI as a commodity from the cheapest supplier. Well played.
- youngandvacant 23d agoOne can imagine a scenario where 1) this requires a Claude or ChatGPT subscription, 2) this subscription needs to be purchased through the iOS app. AI providers get new users, Apple gets its App Store tax, everyone wins.
- jimmydoe 23d agothis does not provide much value on Mac, as Claude and ChatGpT apps both have global key activation. iPhone is different, one button hold on phone without touch the phone is arguably Apple's last and only moat.
- yalogin 23d agoWhat does a full integration of claude or openAI models into the phone even mean? What additional functionality can one get and what are those use cases? Does it actually pull in more users to the voice/Siri interface? I mean even with vastly superior models, does it move the needle enough to attract more users?
- awakeasleep 23d agoI pray for the possibility of not only choosing the provider, but being able to choose the thinking level. I've been using the new siri, and it seems more or less stuck in instant-answer mode, which gives really terrible answers with any provider. I wish more people were talking about this, but if you can't crank up the models to extended thinking, the technology is more or less stuck at 2004 levels of usefulness.
- MetaverseClub 22d agoClaude or ChatGPT for personal assistants? Big NONO.
- kimseungyong 22d agoAnyway, AI operates on top of the device. Among devices worldwide, who has the most control? Apple They don’t build AI themselves, but when it comes to device infrastructure that allows AI to operate, Apple is naturally the strongest Just as Meta had tried to build their own ecosystem through Libra and things like that Won't AI companies end up doing the same? But that attempt doesn’t seem like it would be easy Apple now feels like a kind of Coca-Cola stock