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Jellyfin 12.0

• doctoboggan 27d ago
  As a long time plex user with a lifetime pass, I always enjoy seeing the good progress with Jellyfin as it will increasingly give me a soft landing for when Plex finally does something to make me move. At the very least it will hopefully keep some of plex’s most user hostile behavior in check. As an aside, I recently started having Claude help me with configuring my *arr stack and it has helped tremendously. I used to have to babysit and manually intervene on maybe 10% of requests, now it’s near zero, plus I got audiobook requests and subtitles working great. Granted a big part of the increased success was signing up for a Usenet service but of course Claude was able to configure it all and make it work. I was a little worried Claude would demur in the face of the task, but it was more than happy to help me acquire media in this way
  • firecall 27d ago
    Feels like only a matter of time with Plex doesn't it! I've got the lifetime pass, but it really does feel like a Sword of Damocles situation...
    • doctoboggan 27d ago
      Yes it really does, and I intend to switch eventually but from what I heard the last time I looked into it, the end user clients are a big area where plex still beats Jellyfin. Since that’s where my non technical friends and family mostly interact with the system, it’s the area I need to be the most polished and hands off.
      • BLKNSLVR 27d ago
        Jellyfin's Android clients seem to be fine. Android TV and smartphone at least. Have been fine for at least five years. Can't speak to other platforms though.
      • c0nsumer 27d ago
        Yes, this is the big one for me. Seemingly unlike a lot of folks, Plex is my main music server. Years ago I ripped all my CDs (1800+, IIRC) and Plex + Plexamp is really, really, really good for listening. I haven't yet found anything else that works as well. I use Plexamp on desktop/laptop computers and then the Android and iOS apps for on-the-go music. I tried Symfonium [1] because it seemed promising and would give me a Jellyfin path, but it was weird and kinda buggy and ate my phone's battery. I'm hopeful there'll be a good replacement available eventually, but for now, I just have to stick with Plex. [1] https://www.symfonium.app/ https://www.symfonium.app/
        • devindotcom 26d ago
          yeah I'm in a boat of similar shape. plex and plexamp is very simple and plug and play - it handles the IP stuff for remote play, which is the tough part for me. I don't mind lacking features in the server or the client honestly, if I can find and play an album or playlist I'm good. But the connectivity piece can be hard if you're not familiar with self host stuff. I tried to do Jellyfin and Tailscale and some client and it... kind of worked? But it was definitely not as seamless. I do hope every year that it's my last year paying for Plex. Maybe this year!
          • c0nsumer 26d ago
            I'm fortunate that somehow I ended up with a lifetime PlexPass for... I want to say like $50 a bunch of years back? Because yes, the remote stuff -- and PlexAmp just working the same wherever I am -- is the huge part of it. Music sits on my NAS and things... just work. I also really like how easy the caching and offline mode is, because I frequently find myself driving in areas without mobile data service. I keep a couple favorite albums downloaded to my phone, then knowing the app will cache the next ~2 albums of queued tracks generally makes it Just Work.
        • jamie_ca 26d ago
          Yeah PlexAmp is amazing. Feels like it's the only music client around these days that has a functional "shuffle by album" option, instead of treating my library as only a collection of individual songs.
      • egeozcan 27d ago
        This gave me an idea, what if I let an agent make a proxy for Jellyfin to act like Plex? Best of both worlds! Maybe worth a try.
        • andermic 26d ago
          I’m interested in helping with this. Let me know if you start a repo. I was considering the same approach, though I’m not sure how feasible it is.
        • benoau 26d ago
          I don’t think it’ll work because Plex gates everything with a sign in to their online accounts, so auth would have to go through them and there might be server-to-Plex verification going on too. That said, I’m very interested in this space - I’ve been building a music server that provides compatible APIs for Synology and QNAP mobile apps, with a few more on my todo list. I’d love to include Plexamp so if it is possible please let me know!
          • bigstrat2003 26d ago
            > I don’t think it’ll work because Plex gates everything with a sign in to their online accounts... That isn't true. You can configure the server with which subnets are trusted, and do not require auth.
            • Hard_Space 26d ago
              I would be interested to hear from anyone who set it and can still access Plex over their LAN in a network outage. I have set this multiple times according to docs, and it worked only once ever, thereafter apparently resetting to online login. Of course, they do not make this an easy setting to change!
              • jaffa2 26d ago
                You need plex pass to do this now. They changed it recently you didnt used to need it.
      • al_borland 26d ago
        Performance was also a big issue for me the last time I tried running Jellyfin on the same hardware as my Plex server. I’m happy to see that has been their focus.
    • senectus1 26d ago
      really is just the normies access to it via samsung and LG TV's that hold me back.
      • ThomasBb 26d ago
        There is a nice Jellyfin app for LG now
      • notrealyme123 26d ago
        I am currently on vacation and used jellyfin via the browser on all the smart TV. And it just works great. I didn't expect it to work this good. Sign in via key is easy, not stuttering. I can recommend it.
      • mrmlz 26d ago
        Newer TiZEN models has a jellyfin app now in the appstore!
    • mzi 26d ago
      I have a lifetime pass as well, but switched to Jellyfin years ago.
    • madeofpalk 26d ago
      Maybe I'm naive, but I feel like if Plex was going to do anything to existing lifetime subscriptions, they would have done it by now. I think we're fine for now.
    • heed 26d ago
      they'll eventually come out with a completely new overhauled version of plex that's sub only but your lifetime pass will still be good for "plex classic" which they'll stop supporting
      • schrectacular 26d ago
        Or just end the lifetime tier and make people pay like fastmail did. If even the HN beloved fastmail would do it I pretty much expect it from everyone.
        • awakeasleep 26d ago
          I think this already happened. They increased Plex lifetime to 750 bucks. That’s effectively an end.
        • zchrykng 26d ago
          I mean, I have a lifetime license for Plex, but even I would happily pay some nominal amount every year if Plex stopped making their software worse intentionally.
          • schrectacular 23d ago
            Fair, I mean, I still use fastmail :)
      • therealpygon 26d ago
        Or if like PlayOn, they’ll simply replace your legacy lifetime license software with their new version that no longer does the core functionality that has to be kept up to date — recording different providers — without upgrading to their new extra-special monthly cloud licensing that replaces your “lifetime” license you bought to support their fledgling business. One thing is almost certain, any software claimed to be “Lifetime” will become a lie if given time and one should assume “lifetime” in software almost never means more than 5-10 years before a new executive has a bright idea to generate more revenue.
      • buran77 26d ago
    • jmuguy 26d ago
      Its hard to tell if the folks at Plex understand the position they're in. They definitely are dancing right up to the line of pushing people too far. I could see them trying to boil the frog with stuff like putting their garbage free streaming stuff front and center more. Like so there won't be one specific thing they do that makes everyone realize its time to leave. I think one silver lining is that whenever it does reach a tipping point there's going to be a ton of support for projects like Jellyfin, so hopefully we see more feature parity - in particular for shared access for friends and family.
      • arwineap 26d ago
        I left this year when they told me I'd have to re-buy my lifetime pass. I suspect they rolled it back, but as you said that was the last straw. All of these streaming nonsense that keeps getting re-enabled, totally troublesome to help friends with the same settings I couldn't help but think with all the ads they were serving me directly, that they must be selling my data as well. That's not the point of self-host. No thank you. Jellyfin still missing download w/ transcode, but with space getting so cheap I don't miss it. I do need to improve the music side though
        • deleted 26d ago
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        • jmuguy 26d ago
          The "vendor" page for their data collection is... impressive. https://www.plex.tv/vendors-us/ https://www.plex.tv/vendors-us/
  • bigstrat2003 27d ago
    I (also a lifetime Plex Pass user) decided to try it out ~6 months ago, and I've switched over. I haven't had any gaps in functionality yet, though YMMV of course. While it isn't better than Plex (which is still fine for now), it isn't worse either, and I trust the Jellyfin devs a lot more than the Plex devs at this point.
    • RajT88 27d ago
      I must be old school. I never got on board with Plex, because my "lifetime" licenses for PlayOn, TVersity and Twonky all ended up completely useless. Yes, those licenses still work, but you can't get the latest versions which provide support for the latest codecs, features, etc. There's a cutoff on the versions that "lifetime" license allows you to upgrade to, and some of those licenses were not that cheap at the time. So of course, Plex is going to engage in the fuckery that they are. JellyFin on the other hand, for the amount it costs is surprisingly low on janky behavior.
      • BeetleB 27d ago
        Yes, eventually, all of them will end up this way. But the attitude lacks nuance. I paid $120 for Plex 8 years ago, and if it becomes utter crap tomorrow, it's been totally worth it. Don't think of any such thing as "lifetime". Just ask: "For the amount they are charging me, how long does it need to last for it to have been worth my money?" With the price I paid, one year would have been enough.
    • VladVladikoff 27d ago
      I switched to jellyfin about 6 months ago and I can say it is definitely worse. I’m constantly fighting to fix thumbnails, fix episodes to be in the same show, force rescans to get it to even recognize a show that already exists. I never had any of these problems with plex. Plex also defaults to transcoding which fixes a lot of gaps with clients that don’t support certain codecs. I’m often running into issues where infuse can’t play DTS so I need to reencode before I can play the movies. Also in the process of ditching plex I switched to audiobookshelf for my audiobooks and I have to say it’s also crap. It’s constantly refusing to start playing, or pausing for a really long time before playing. All that being said I’m not switching back. It’s been a pain but it was worth it.
  • darknavi 27d ago
    > As an aside, I recently started having Claude help me with configuring my *arr stack and it has helped tremendously. I used to have to babysit and manually intervene on maybe 10% of requests, now it’s near zero Any more details here? I hit this a lot and it's not too much work, but still pretty annoying.
    • doctoboggan 27d ago
      Step one is to just let Claude have ssh access to the machine you run plex from and let him do a full sweep. I had some conflicting profile rules and was not properly blocking malware and not properly marking failures so they were never retried. This fixed a big portion of the manual work needed, but the usenet account is really what got me to nearly 100% hands off. I think I am paying $3/month for the next fifteen months, and apparently if I pay attention during Black Friday there will be some pretty cheap deals. For more months of access at even less EDIT: Claude was also able to look at my logs and noticed that nearly all of the exe or other malware was coming from 2 trackers so we just eliminated those.
      • tired_star_nrg 26d ago
        Where could someone learn more about the usenet account method?
        • doctoboggan 26d ago
          Claude will be able to help you with everything you need. If you don't have Claude code then the various self hosted subreddits are a good starting point. I had Claude do a sweep of the recent reddit posts to capture the current most recommended usenet accounts, he gave me two links, told me to sign up and paste in the API keys and he took it from there.
          • Hikikomori 26d ago
            How long before they block this kind of work with ai.
  • BLKNSLVR 27d ago
    I just like the confirmation that AI is happy to be a Boatswain.
    • post-it 26d ago
      Claude is perfectly happy to do it and gives great suggestions. I can't imagine it will last, I did run into one situation where I wanted to archive all the media on a subscription site before my subscription expired, and it refused. But splitting it into one session to collect all URLs and a second session to plug them into yt-dlp with the right arguments worked just fine.
  • dgrin91 27d ago
    What are you using for audiobook requests? I also recently setup arr stack, but I saw readarr is depreciated and there doesn't seem to be a clear successor.
    • Xerox9213 26d ago
      It’s been a while since I used it but lazylibrarian has worked for me in the past. I tried shelfarr as well with some success a while back, but haven’t needed any new books lately since I’m busy catching up on the books I’ve downloaded (the Bible is long lol).
    • doctoboggan 26d ago
      After reading a lot of reddit threads I settled on ReadMeABook[0] and it has been working great so far. One pretty cool feature is that it lets you connect an LLM API key and then you can have it make requests based on your library. I now have Fable 5.1 suggesting my next book. [0]: https://github.com/kikootwo/readmeabook https://github.com/kikootwo/readmeabook
      • y-curious 26d ago
        Hello Mantis. Question: what do you do with the books? Is there kindle integration somehow?
        • doctoboggan 25d ago
          I use it for audiobooks. They are served up by Plex and I use the Prologue iOS app which is a great audiobook listening experience.
        • tstrimple 25d ago
          I think most folks lean on Calibre for that. I've setup KOReader on my wife's Kobo and it looks at our local Calibre server for books.
    • davkan 26d ago
      If you don’t want to commit to one of the vibecoded no community arr clones for books then i recommend shelfmark. Lightweight grabber, easy to start with, easy to rip out later.
  • villish 27d ago
    I like them both, but I can never give up plexamp. I’ve tried navidrome and various jellyfin clients but I keep going back.
    • bigstrat2003 26d ago
      For music, I use Navidrome + Symfonium. Not quite as smooth as Plexamp was (and there's nothing on par with Symfonium on desktop), but I disliked having my music and video commingled so it's been worthwhile for me.
  • bombcar 27d ago
    Claude and jellyfin and HASS is great. Now my phone has a “door lock” which turns off the kids user’s access, but lets the current playing finish. And another “door lock” unlocks playing for ten minutes.
    • y-curious 26d ago
      What do you mean by door lock, where does the code show up?
      • bombcar 26d ago
        Hass can make things appear like light switches, etc, but if you did that (they can run arbitrary code) then the kids will learn that "Hey Siri, turn on Kids Play" will work. But door locks refuse to unlock from Hey Siri, so you have to unlock and use your phone. So I made them appear as door locks (my idea, heh, AI didn't come up with that).
        • y-curious 25d ago
          Understood, so you have a virtual “home lock” on your phone that is actually a media unlock or whatever. Clever :) I also didn’t know HASS = home assistant
          • bombcar 25d ago
            Yeah, home assistant is super powerful once you break out of the mold of "a light is a light, right" and realize that ANYTHING can be represented as state changes, and you can run arbitrary code based on it. And with lights, locks, and brightness/color being able to be modeled in Hass's interface to HomeKit and Siri, you can basically do ANYTHING that can be turned into on/off, lock/unlock, or a slider. You could probably build a remote paintball turret with it, camera for viewfinder, sliders for elevation, rotation, and azimuth, lock for arming, switch for fire.
  • devindotcom 27d ago
    unrelated to your otherwise helpful comment, I just wanted to note that it is "demur" (i.e. hesitate or object) you want in this case; "demure" is an adjective meaning shy or modest.
    • doctoboggan 26d ago
      Thanks, fixed
  • bitexploder 26d ago
    For what it’s worth, I am very happy with Jellyfin and the *arr suite. It took a bit of agent prodding to get them all playing nicely together and bypassing Cloudflare CAPTCHAs. However, it's pretty sweet when you get it all working.
    • scubbo 26d ago
      > bypassing Cloudflare CAPTCHAs Can you say more about this? I've never encountered this problem in nearly a decade of running the same stack.
      • alacritas0 26d ago
        With the *arr stack, some of the trackers it uses to search for a torrent will present a captcha when Prowlerr queries it for a search. If you integrate FlareSolverr and set up Prowlerr to submit queries through it for the trackers that have CAPTCHAs, it won't get blocked by them.
        • bitexploder 26d ago
          Yep. It really isn’t nefarious or abusive. I keep mine slowed down to not scan often to be considerate. Even private trackers can require it now.
        • scubbo 26d ago
          Ah - I use Usenet, not Torrents, that'd explain it. Thanks!
  • jshier 26d ago
    Also a lifetime pass Plex user, I'll leave as soon as someone has a good solution for identifying raw Bluray rips automatically. Why do I have to manually name the episodes? We had CDDB last century, why isn't there an equivalent for raw video rips? The ripped data should be identical, a simple hash should uniquely identify it.
    • 0points 26d ago
      Are you describing a plex feature? I was under the impression they required the media to follow certain naming conventions. [1] Maybe mkv-renamer is of use to you? [2] 1: https://support.plex.tv/articles/naming-and-organizing-your-tv-show-files/ https://support.plex.tv/articles/naming-and-organizing-your-... 2: https://github.com/ssanj/mkv-renamer https://github.com/ssanj/mkv-renamer
      • jshier 26d ago
        I'm describing a hypothetical feature that I want. Essentially an automatic version of mkv-renamer that can identify series, episodes, and special content based on the signature of the ripped files. For whatever reason, such a service doesn't even exist.
        • IAmBroom 26d ago
          Does Filebot not do this for you? A quick glance suggests it does, but I'm not overly concerned with its decision-making; name matches are close enough.
          • jshier 26d ago
            That may actually be what I need, I'll give it try.
  • ggm 26d ago
    Thank you for starting this thread. Another lifetime plex pass user, interested in my choices. For now, I am happy on plex/plexamp. Good to know what jellyfin is at.
  • internet101010 26d ago
    If there is one thing that needs to be re-written and consolidated it is the arrs ecosystem. Replacing/consolidating the arrs themselves is pretty straightforward. The trap that quickly becomes a token incinerator is incorporating the downloader into the library manager itself. A lot of learned lessons in that sabnzbd codebase.
    • davidwritesbugs 26d ago
      As someone with coding projects in the is area would you care to elaborate on "a lot of learned lessons"?
      • SSLy 26d ago
        sabnzbd is basically packaged decades of domain specific knowledge about deobfuscating media files
      • internet101010 26d ago
        Things like when to cancel early, how to handle par2, obfuscation, rars within rars, decoding articles. Just a mountain of "huh, didn't think of that being a complex problem" that was resolved over time. I was able to replace the arr suite + sabnzbd with my own rust+ts frankenstein but had I known how complex the usenet piece was going to be I would have separated it into two phases.
    • drdexebtjl 26d ago
      I agree. In particular, I think it needs declarative configuration, and it needs to stop storing configuration in a database. It's insane that the current setup options are: - Click through dozens of pages importing JSONs from TRaSH Guides, then do it all over again on the other app. - Run an app that basically does the same thing but over the REST API.
  • prophesi 26d ago
    Lifetime pass user long before the ridiculous price hikes for it and the direction for the service going down a path I didn't want to support. You can run Plex and Jellyfin on the same server concurrently pointing to the same media files. My Plex server was still running until I was able to transfer everything over and their mobile app ecosystem got up to parity.
  • leokennis 26d ago
    Both for simplicity and portability, I am a very happy user of https://firecore.com/infuse https://firecore.com/infuse. I guess it's less full featured as Plex or Jellyfin (it still more than covers the bases for video: format support, different video/audio/subtitle tracks, tv series recognition, skip intros, Trakt.tv etc.); but then again all it requires is any online storage, and the Infuse app (either on iDevice or AppleTV).
    • vulkoingim 26d ago
      Yeaah, second that! I use it on the AppleTV and across the rest of my devices! Works like a charm, and coupled with Tailscale I can access everything on my Nas everywhere :) I have it configured to use Jellyfin as the source, runing on said nas
      • s_dev 26d ago
        You should try this: https://neptuneplayer.com/ https://neptuneplayer.com/
        • zeagle 26d ago
          Does it do bitstream DTS and DV on Apple TV? If so maybe I’ll have to try. Also am I going old or is the whole join our discord to see what it’s about/download is the new norm on the web? My click through rate on that is about 0.
        • ulimn 26d ago
          Oh my, this immediately looks so much better UX-wise than Swiftfin!
        • vulkoingim 26d ago
          Looks good...but having to join Discord to try it is one step too many, if I have to be honest.
          • s_dev 26d ago
  • colechristensen 26d ago
    huh, yeah I should start an xbmc fork/reimagining. the limitations with the tools of the day are imagination. a LOT of the software I use these days are things I facilitated the creation of and a media player is definitely supposed to be on that list
  • atombender 26d ago
    I left Plex for Jellyfin + Infuse a couple of years ago, and I'm not looking back. But the sore point right now is outside access, which Jellyfin really isn't made for. I set up Tailscale so I can connect Infuse to Jellyfin remotely. But that's not exactly as smooth as Plex. I can't give friends and family access, either, which was dead easy with Plex. In terms of the UX, Infuse isn't very good, but it does the job okay. The built-in subtitle fetcher is amazing; that stuff never worked for me with Plex.
    • y-curious 26d ago
      For people that don’t know, Infuse lets you use Jellyfin on Apple TV and it’s very helpful for day purpose
      • Gareth321 26d ago
        Crazy expensive though. It's basically a Plex subscription, just for the player.
        • skydhash 26d ago
          Isn’t it something like $10/yr or something?
          • illegalbyte2 26d ago
            Yep. Worth every cent. The Apple TV experience of Infuse is night and day with Plex. I used to constantly struggle with Plex buffering and crashing on my local network with the Apple TV app. Infuse just points to a file share on my NAS and streams beautifully, even at larger 4K files. I used Plex for years. I’d never go back from Infuse now, and I’m happy to pay that subscription to support its excellent development.
          • Gareth321 26d ago
            It's not as bad as I thought/misremembered. $23/year here in Denmark, and $140/lifetime.
  • jwr 26d ago
    I also have a lifetime pass, but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with Plex. Why do I have to regularly turn off their "recommended" stuff that is just ads for movies I can buy online? Why does it appear and re-appear? Also, the Plex app for LG TV has been buggy and broken for years: some content will not play at all, some will not play if you ff/rewind, and some will not play until you physically turn your TV off and then on. Very annoying. I'm glad to see competition.
  • Gareth321 26d ago
    > As an aside, I recently started having Claude help me with configuring my arr stack and it has helped tremendously. LLMs have been AMAZING for home server maintenance and improvements. I have completed SO many of my "some day" tasks. I never have to read another fucking log file ever again. It has taken all of the friction out of the hobby. It's all* fun now.
    • joshstrange 26d ago
      I’ve set up literally hundreds of different self-hosted applications over the years on my homelab. I’ve configured the reverse proxy by hand, setup the docker containers, etc. Now I can just tell Claude “Setup XYZ app on my server” and it does it all and leaves a note in my Obsidian vault documenting the service (setup instructions, backups, hostname, etc). Trying out new things has never been easier now that the effort is near-0 to kick the tires.
      • drnick1 26d ago
        I would caution against this approach. It's fine to have Claude write a setup script, or whatever you need, but don't run coding agents as your main user on your production machine with full access to your files or whatever your "homelab" consists of.
        • bigstrat2003 26d ago
          Yep. You should never let an LLM have access to the system. It's irresponsible as all get out.
          • threecheese 26d ago
            Your personal computer? Eh. This afternoon Claude code diagnosed an issue I’ve had with my 4K displays since Tahoe, it would have taken me a week just to learn enough to try to figure it out. Now I have a cli tool which fixes it. I get a weekly report of Chezmoi drift across all my machines, including what I changed. This took me 30 minutes to set up. There are so many things it can simplify. A production server with user data on it? I wouldn’t dare. My backed up MacBook? Truly valuable.
  • mistyvales 26d ago
    I still use the free version of Plex and got it set up in a jail on my FreeBSD server. Serves my needs for now, and also use Infuse like a lot of people here on my Apple TV 4K. I have no need to transcoding or anything because all my media consumption is at home these days. If Plex does shit the bed, I will have to rethink my setup for Jellyfin..
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  • tstrimple 25d ago
    I've also got a lifetime Plex pass, but have moved on. I was tired of fighting Plex for what the home screen looked like. It seemed like every update there was more Plex bullshit and less of my actual media without digging through menus. I'd configure it to be just my media, and the next update ads and content from other streaming services kept showing up.
  • snapplebobapple 21d ago
    When you move to jellyfin you will then start watching the progress of kyoo for similar reasons lol.
• gyomu 27d ago
  The success of jellyfin in recent years has affected me in one unexpected way: I have a project whose .com domain name starts with jelly* and at some point I started getting so many signups from confused Jellyfin users who thought it was related. (fortunately it’s a niche thing, so I just closed signups and just give my prospective users a one time invite code)
• zhivota 27d ago
  Jellyfin works great for me. My only gripe is logging around library scanning being pretty difficult to interpret. I'd love to add a dedicated scanner log that focuses only on logs relating to scanning, which for me tends to be the trouble spot in these systems. That said I very rarely would even need it, the last time I thought I did was when I had my under configured to not see R rated movies because of my kids, the logs were not clear that the movie was ever scanned so it was hard to realize.
• yunaflox 27d ago
  Does this introduce basic UX changes, like saying that a media will be permanently lost instead of "will be removed from Jellyfin" which is inaccurate? Edit: And making it more secure? Just because it is commonly for LAN doesn't mean it can be insecure
  • RajT88 27d ago
    Including, but not limited to, sending passwords in cleartext on login.
    • post-it 26d ago
      As opposed to what? The password needs to reach the server. Encryption is the job of HTTPS.
      • izacus 26d ago
        ... as opposed to using salted hashing like in every tutorial since 1990s.
        • jack-cooper 26d ago
          I think you have some confusion between expectations upon the client and the server. This very site (and almost every other) sends your password in plaintext over form data when you sign in. Hashing (and/or salting) a password client-side before sending it would offer next to no protection, as if the server is expecting this value and the attacker intercepts it, they could just replay the hashed value themselves. Why would they need to know the original password? The salt for the password should also have been randomly generated when it was first created, and stored alongside the password in the database. The only way for the client to know this value would be to retrieve it based on username alone, when the request is first made. This would reduce the security of the system and allow a dedicated attacker much more leverage to try and crack that single password, if they knew only the username of the user. The comment you're replying to is correct, encryption is the job of HTTPS.
• Cider9986 27d ago
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  • villish 27d ago
    This seems like spam in order to get people to sign up to a service with your referral link. It’s literally just a guide on how to create an account.
    • Cider9986 27d ago
      That's not mine. I can remove the link if it makes it look less spammy.. It's not always easy for people to do the setup.
      • villish 26d ago
        My apologies then. Those debrid services seem like they are run in on borrowed time though so I don’t use it. I have friends that do and seem to like it, but I prefer having a local library (*arr stack)
        • Cider9986 26d ago
          I'm gonna make a local library once storage prices come down (I want to seed) but TorBox and Nuvio doesn't feel real.
• noisy_boy 27d ago
  Subtitles are the Achilles heel of Jellyfin (at least the Android client sending the stream to Chromecast stick connected to the TV). I can see the subtitle present but it doesn't show on the movie. Ok, I will just add manually - can't, progress indicator loops forever. Ok, I will remove the existing subtitles and add - removal succeeds - addition fails. This is the same fiddling everytime. If it works, it is a miracle. I used to forget about the subtitles and start the movie - you could just fix it on the fly right?! Nope, now I do full prep before calling everyone that the movie is good to go. This is not coming from a bad place - I am very appreciative of having a open source alternative to Plex. Just putting this out there in case it catches someone's interest to improve it.
  • trog 27d ago
    Is that an old problem, or a problem that is still in this new v12?
    • noisy_boy 26d ago
      Given v12 just came out and has a bunch of warnings regarding migration, I'm not going to jump on it yet. This is pre-v12 issue.
  • aidenn0 27d ago
    FWIW, Moonfin and Infuse both work flawlessly on an AppleTV. I also remember Google TV working fine, but it seemed like ads got added to another part of the UI every month so I got sick of it. Roku only supports text subtitles, so if you have picture subtitles (like a DVD or bluray), then you'll need to burn them in if you want to play on Roku.
    • Cyph0n 26d ago
      SenPlayer is also very good on ATV.
      • aidenn0 25d ago
        Good to know; I missed that when looking for players. Probably because if you search the App Store for "jellyfin" on TvOS, it doesn't find SenPlayer
• altano 27d ago
  I hate people who are demanding of open source projects but... doing performance improvements and adding comic book support before making the product secure enough to expose to the internet is wild prioritization and I don't know what else to say. Or release native clients that can use OIDC. Doing neither sucks =[.
  • nearlyepic 26d ago
    What about it is insecure with regards to exposing it to the internet?
    • amiga386 26d ago
      There's nothing wrong with exposing it to the internet. There have been exploits: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/security https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/security The project is a fork of another project (Emby) and there has always been potential for user-supplied data ending up in command-line arguments, or exploitation of the (admin) user getting to upload various files. Nonetheless, all reported security bugs have been fixed promptly, and they're proactively sweeping through the full set of APIs they inherited, looking for possible exploit paths. Most exploits required an authenticated user. If you're concerned about this, you should run Jellyfin's docker image, with read-only mounts of your media library, and only give accounts to people you trust, which is how you should treat your personal media library anyway.
    • jaimex2 26d ago
      I think they are confusing Jellyfin with the crazy exploits in Plex recently.
    • altano 26d ago
      https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415 https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415 A lot of Jellyfin's API doesn't require any authentication at all, as an example.
      • gloflo 26d ago
• bhaney 27d ago
  Upgrade experiences, anyone? I have a ~40TB library and was still on 10.10.7 because of all the performance issues with 10.11. Upgraded straight to 12.0 and was impressed with how quick and painless it was! As the upgrade instructions warn about, some of my titles disappeared until a rescan added them back, but that was the only weirdness. The whole initial migration only took a few minutes.
  • amiga386 26d ago
    Same here, though my migration took about 10 minutes, and the rescan took about 30 minutes. It also had a few minutes of generating trickplay images, though it must have just been filling in gaps, because generating trickplay images for a large library takes days.
  • sippeangelo 26d ago
    I wrongly assumed I was below version 10.10.7 and tried to "upgrade" to it first as the migration guide said, but this completely blew up and the db migrations failed. I then tried to skip straight to 12 and that also crashed on startup during db migrations, so I just nuked the whole Jellyfin config and started from scratch. Bit unfortunate how this can even happen, but it's on me for not checking or taking a backup first. The config/db really contain anything important anyways, other than "watched" markers that are already out of sync for me across Emby/Jellyfin/Plex.
    • Mashimo 26d ago
      So on what version where you?
  • Hikikomori 26d ago
    Just pulled latest container and it just worked as far as I can tell.
  • s_dev 26d ago
    Went from 10.11 to 12.0 and had zero issues. Scaleway/Ubuntu/Docker env with 8GB RAM. Well one small niggle, I had a custom script setup on Caddy that overrides how certain buckets are sorted because my users are too lazy to follow my instructions. They changed the BucketID string in some way but this more to do with me having a custom script dependant on something they don't guarantee. Hopefully they allow admins to change a users preferences in the future but currently it has to be done at the user level. I'm sure that will be in a future update.
• amiga386 27d ago
  I had to go back from 10.11.x to 10.10.7 because the performance was bad, but I'm very confident they've fixed all the performance problems with this 12.0 release. I'm also confident they've found most of the bugs and have produced something you can just upgrade to, given they've had 7 release candidates over the past few months: 12.0 RC1 - Jun 22 12.0 RC2 - Jun 28 12.0 RC3 - Jul 22 12.0 RC4 - Aug 02 12.0 RC5 - Aug 11 12.0 RC6 - Aug 26 12.0 RC7 - Sep 01 12.0 - Sep 08 Overall it looks like a lot of solid testing has gone into this, I shouldn't have to go back to 10.10 again. UPDATE: Upgraded to 12.0, performance is great, better than 10.10 and 10.11, including in third party apps! No problems with the migration.
• praveer13 26d ago
  I have a plex pass but moved to jellyfin, because I can't get plex to reliably stream from my server at all. While jellyfin works so smoothly. Look forward to this update!
• mvdtnz 26d ago
  It sounds like a real pain in the ass upgrade, I'm thankful I've put off trying Jellyfin this long.
  • Mashimo 26d ago
    Stop jellyfin, update containers, start container, start library scan? Just like all the updates before that.
  • lordfrikk 26d ago
    Quite the opposite, the upgrade was completely painless for me. The only things that can trip it up are mentioned in the release notes: avoid multiple usernames that only differ in case and make sure you're upgrading from 10.10.7 or any 10.11.x.
• ThomasBb 26d ago
  Dow folks migrating frem Plex ; Codex/Sol had no issue transferring played/watched status to my new Jellyfin library.
• hi_hi 26d ago
  I love jellyfin, been using it for years now, alongside the *ARR stack. My young daughter recently started getting into audio books, so I installed Listenarr alongside a vibe coded mcp server [0] which I have running with all the other arr service mcp connections. This allows the family to easily download and manage their media (err…Linux distributions) via Onyx AI, which I also have running with everything else on local box running microK8s, all on a relatively puny Geekom minipc with 16Gb This whole setup is pretty straightforward to manage with Claude which has no issues working with K8s. For those interested in the listenarr audiobook mcp: [0] https://github.com/leachuk/listenarr-mcp/blob/main/CLAUDE.md https://github.com/leachuk/listenarr-mcp/blob/main/CLAUDE.md
• getcrunk 26d ago
  Did they fix that thing where like you can’t have mixed movies and tv in the same folder without it going nuts
  • mock-possum 26d ago
    How would jellyfin be able to tell whether the video files in a directory are movies or tv? What does going nuts actually look like, and what causes it?
    • sfRattan 26d ago
      Not OP, but I've run into similar instances of Jellyfin "going nuts." Mixed media type libraries are depreciated and "broken" according to the documentation[1], which is fair enough, but sometimes this results in weirdness if a TV-show is also part of a franchise and has associated TV-movies (e.g. the Battlestar Galactica reboot, Futurama, or Breaking Bad). If you want to keep those movies on your file system in a folder with the other stuff from the franchise, Jellyfin often can't handle it. And it's not obvious to new users whether these TV-movies belong in a TV-shows library or a movies library. I've also noticed it cannot handle additional layers of folders (i.e. for Genres) in TV show libraries, but it can handle that layer in movie libraries. Failure mode (the "going nuts") looks like those genre folders recognized as bizarre or obscure television shows, and nothing scanned the next layer down. I haven't looked into how their scanning algorithms work, but it's definitely frustrating that there's not a button or feature to say: "No, Jellyfin, this is a folder, not a show or movie. Try scanning again on the subtree starting here." Honestly, any software that either silently/automatically reorganizes a user's files and folders (not Jellyfin, but there are others that do this... even FOSS projects) or demands a specific meta-hierarchy on the file system is frustrating to anyone who deliberately keeps their files and folders well-organized. [1]: https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/media/mixed-movies-and-shows/ https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/media/mixed-movies-...
      • chocochunks 26d ago
        Are you sure? At least with Kodi for specials like Futurama you make a Season 0 with them that the scrapers understand. Seems like Jellyfin understands that too: https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/media/shows https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/media/shows I guess for Theatrical TV show movies like The Simpsons Movie it might be more complicated, but worse case you always create or edit your own NFO files with something like MediaElch and have Jellyfin use those. I think it's better to have genres in the NFO files and not in the folder structure. A show or movie can easily fall into two or genres which is not going to get captured by a single folder.
• rcarmo 26d ago
  I have a trifling complaint about this, which is that it smacks of LLM aid throughout, especially in headings. I wish people would aggressively filter for these things--I have a technical writing SKILL.md that tries to remove all the AI tropes it finds and use simplified technical English (it's a thing, look it up) to do docs, and that makes one heck of a difference...
  • ZeWaka 26d ago
    link: https://github.com/rcarmo/piclaw/blob/main/skel/.pi/skills/technical-docs/SKILL.md https://github.com/rcarmo/piclaw/blob/main/skel/.pi/skills/t...
    • rcarmo 25d ago
      Yep, that’s mine
  • davidwritesbugs 26d ago
    this skill may help: https://github.com/blader/humanizer https://github.com/blader/humanizer
    • deleted 26d ago
      [deleted]
    • rcarmo 26d ago
      Mine already covers all of that, based on what Codex says…
• Thev00d00 26d ago
  Exciting times, they really messed up with 10.11.x shipped half baked DB refactoring
• anygivnthursday 26d ago
  Jellyfin has worked great so far for us, I never used Plex or Emby so cant compare. They recently made an official Tizen app too, so dont have to build and sideload anymore, just works. One of the remaining issues is that the Samsung client remuxes if you select a secondary audio track[0] - apparently fixable by using the AVPlay player instead of the HTML player. [0]: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin-tizen/issues/337 https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin-tizen/issues/337
• stanac 26d ago
  Not sure if they support multiple OPDS catalogs now. I am on v10 (using JF for music only) and with book plugin (forgot which one) it didn't offer to split books into multiple catalogs, which was a bit annoying. Maybe I missed it in v11. Solution for me was to vibecode a simplest OPDS server with 0 css and basic auth.
• maxglute 26d ago
  What's the situation on intro end ending detection and skipping?
  • NoGravitas 26d ago
    Intro skipping should work; requires a plugin, may only work with the web client? I have the plugin installed, but it doesn't work with the Jellyfin addon for Kodi. Ending detection works fine; don't remember if it requires a plugin.
  • enzo05814648 26d ago
    I get the "skip intro" / "skip credits" prompts while watching on Infuse, so yes it's possible, but it's specific to only certain shows (probably those with properly-titled chapters). I'm also not sure if the prompts appear in other clients; Infuse might have implemented it from scratch using the chapter titles.
    • maxglute 26d ago
      Ah so it's library not finger print based? Only power user Plex feature I need.
• tym0 26d ago
  As other have said the apps for devices is still the issue with Jellyfin. For TV you pretty much have to use Kodi and all the decent theme require a surprising amount of other plug-ins to work... Anyone know of a decent theme for Kodi that won't fall over next time it updates? I just need "Resume Watching", "Newly Added" and alphabetical lists.
  • l3000 26d ago
    Moonfin?
    • tym0 26d ago
      That looks nice but no Xbox support.
  • iAMkenough 26d ago
    Swiftfin and InFuse are great for Apple TV. Yet another reason to use a streaming box.
  • kiririn 26d ago
    I'd love a Kodi theme with the design and responsiveness of the Jellyfin Roku app but sadly nothing I've tried has come close. I always end up going back to the default Kodi theme - it's ugly but it works. (I'd jump to Roku or Apple TV on my main setup in a heartbeat if they supported DV 7 FEL and all audio passthrough formats.)
  • reddalo 26d ago
    Wholphin is a great Android TV app, way better than the "original".
• warpspin 26d ago
  How does it compare to current Plex? Are there proper, usable apps for Apple TV and iOS already? Edit: Anyone is running Jellyfin on Qnap?
  • ErrorNoBrain 26d ago
    Not sure if there is for Apple TV but they have an iOS app for ipad/iphone https://apps.apple.com/us/app/jellyfin-mobile/id1480192618 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/jellyfin-mobile/id1480192618
    • porjo 26d ago
      Swiftfin, Moonfin are two Jellyfin clients for Apple TV.
  • lode 26d ago
    I recently switched from Plex's pretty terrible native players to Plezy (on iOS, iPadOS and tvOS). Plezy supports both Plex and Jellyfin as a backend - I'm not sure if there is 100% feature parity.
    • warpspin 26d ago
      Thanks, definitely will try that one.
  • lordfrikk 26d ago
    Infuse is the best I've tried so far on Apple TV. They also make a version for iOS and iPadOS. Neptune is an up-and-coming client that looks promising.
• ndom91 26d ago
  Upgrade from 10.11.11 was also successful here - only took 2-3 minutes. Can definitely notice the performance improvement
• MyelinatedT 26d ago
  Literally last night I was trying to set up books in Jellyfin and dismayed to see the bookshelf plugin archived with no mention of ongoing support. Very happy to see it’s been folded into the server!
• smoked-egg 26d ago
  Something I've long wanted is something far more minimal than jellyfin that just browses my library by folder but has a web player that can transcode/remux as needed for the browser. As it stands when I want to watch a film with someone elses computer I give VLC/whatever a link to a webdav URL and it streams from that. It'd just be nice to have it be in the browser.
• crazybonkersai 26d ago
  Coming from Plex, I gave Jellyfin a try, but returned back to Plex after several months. My biggest gripes were poor subtitle support and inability to differintiate TV shows from movies stored in the same folder. Does this version improve these issues?
  • JoeBOFH 26d ago
    Can I ask why you have TV shows in the same folder? I have a /video folder and under that /tv /movies /kidsmovies /kidstv. Just kinda curious.
    • NoGravitas 26d ago
      They probably had it set up that way for Plex, and didn't read the documentation about how Jellyfin needs its libraries organized.
    • OroPla 26d ago
      Plenty of shows continue in a movie, like Firefly (2002) -> Serenity (2005), so I can see why you'd want to mix.
      • JoeBOFH 26d ago
        I get it’s a personal thing but yeah I’d still separate them. Tv != Movie.
        • OroPla 26d ago
          I separate everything by decade > type > year (of start date). Don't even keep multiple seasons in the same folder if they are from different years. Still ends up mixing all types within a decade. But I prefer splitting things by decades as a first level. The distinction of cinema, direct-to-video, TV show, TV movie, web and others isn't really that important to me.
    • Avamander 26d ago
      I would even recommend separating all and any anime + animated movies from the rest. Different metadata sources, easier to browse.
• she46BiOmUerPVj 26d ago
  They don't mention it so I don't think it was changed, but I am really looking forward to multiple libraries actually separating the contents. This <https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/17215 https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/17215> is an example bug; there were others but I can't find them at the moment.
• OroPla 26d ago
  I do run a Jellyfin server for family, but I don't use it that much. I just do everything through a terminal, like I do most other stuff. It's faster and less finicky, I feel.
  • danparsonson 26d ago
    How does the terminal replace a networked media player?
    • OroPla 26d ago
      By using a bunch of CLI tools and self-written scripts. I don't use streaming (though, mpv can likely handle it). Prefer to have all media I use locally. Don't watch video on my phone, either.
      • danparsonson 26d ago
        OK, I understand now; you mean Jellyfin is only used by your family, because you prefer to use the CLI instead. I didn't parse it that way initially.
    • IncreasePosts 26d ago
      mplayer -vo caca /mnt/nas/example.mp4
      • account42 25d ago
        Man get with the times and switch to mplayer2 already /s mpv can still do terminal ANSI-art output if you really want but it can also display pixels directly via DRM without a display server if you launch it from a random VT.
• andai 26d ago
  So what I'm getting from the thread, this is Plex, minus the cancer, but also minus the features?
  • Mashimo 26d ago
    I think the biggest downsites for most people are the clients. Plex has still better client support on most TVs and mobile devices. And then maybe watch offline support.
  • iAMkenough 26d ago
    Open Source Plex that anyone can write a client for. I’m not missing any features after switching.
  • dev0p 26d ago
    What features is it missing, exactly?
    • SamuelAdams 26d ago
      I have always had issues with playing high bitrate BluRay remuxes, with HDR and DTS 5.1+ audio. Granted the last time I tried JellyFin was January 2025 so it is possible this has changed. Have there been improvements on this front?
      • dev0p 26d ago
        Are you sure the client and the server are powerful enough? Do they support all required codecs? I have issues with 4k movies because my Jellyfin is served by a mac mini, and my client is an old Android tablet that doesn't support hardware decoding, but that is hardly Jellyfin's fault. Though they just updated ffmpeg to the latest version, so it might help.
      • lordfrikk 26d ago
        I've been using Jellyfin for roughly 5 years, most of my library are Blu-ray remuxes (50-100 GB) and I haven't had a single one fail to play. My setup is Apple TV with Infuse connected to a LG C9 with a modern Yamaha receiver. Transcoding is a whole can of worms I chose to avoid by playing everything directly.
• ddmf 26d ago
  I'm using Wholphin as a client which should just work with v12 but I've not had time to update yet. I've only really been using jellyfin for a month or two but it's much more user friendly than the xbmc/kodi setup I was using, and the pause/resume between devices is fantastic. I'm totally converted.
  • NoGravitas 26d ago
    Interesting! I have been using the Jellyfin addon for Kodi as my main client, but it would be interesting to try Android TV again on the same device, since I 90% only use it for things on Jellyfin. How is the music player on it?
    • ddmf 25d ago
      I only used it for a short while - from memory there was no seek, but it could have just been because my chrome tv remote didn't have seek buttons, long press next/previous didn't work.
  • beart 26d ago
    I can also recommend Wholphin if it is available (and you are the type of person who actually allows your TV to connect to a network). It's much faster than the official(?) jellyfin android client.
    • reddalo 26d ago
      >allows your TV to connect to a network You don't need to connect your TV, you can just use an Android TV stick such as a Thompson Stick
• sbinnee 26d ago
  My raspberry pi 4 struggles every time I scan the library. I hope that this release helps.
• szmarczak 26d ago
  Unfortunately doesn't support Vulkan decoding/encoding (ffmpeg 8 does).
• hk1337 26d ago
  Looking forward to this upgrade. I didn't know or think about using Jellyfin for books though. Are there any apps (on mobile or iPad) anyone would reccommend that could read the book list similar to iBooks? Anyone have the live tv (via iptv not connecting a tuner with an antennae) working well with Apple TV?
• waltbosz 26d ago
  Interesting post about Jellyfin's finances (2024) https://opencollective.com/jellyfin/updates/were-good-seriously https://opencollective.com/jellyfin/updates/were-good-seriou... > We have quite a budget collected over the last 5 years, and while we're really happy to see so many in the Jellyfin community contribute to us, we want to ask you to stop! No, really. We don't actually need your money. At least, not here and now. We have over $24,000 in the bank, and with average monthly expenses of only ~$600, that's over 40 months (3.3 years) of runway! So, we have plenty of money for the near future ...
  • port11 26d ago
    Or, you know, invest the money and try to become more self-sufficient over time, safeguarding development in the future.
    • danvayn 26d ago
      Classic HN user take. While $600 is obviously a pisspoor budget, they do incredible work compared to closed source solution companies like Plex. Not everything needs to be capitalistic, in fact the product pretty much sells and safeguards itself based on being freeware with pretty quality UX. Who will replace them?
      • erulabs 26d ago
        "Capitalistic" is, I'm sure, meant derogatorily. I disagree with the sentiment, and I think the Jellyfin maintainers deserve at least a living wage for their time and efforts.
        • entropicdrifter 26d ago
          The Jellyfin devs have chosen for it to be a community/hobby project in order to avoid perverse incentives. That's a completely valid choice. There's a reason JF is the only mainstream media server solution that's continuously improved without any signs of enshittification, and personally I'm inclined to agree with the devs that keeping it completely non-profit has been a boon to its ongoing health and popularity.
• alashow 26d ago
  Interesting nobody mentioned Silo yet. https://siloserver.org/ https://siloserver.org/
  • aayushdutt 26d ago
    Nice, looks like this is using the Jellyfin protocol. Does anyone know what the motivation to create this was and what is the differentiator here?
  • bhaney 26d ago
    It's vibe-slop that popped up just a couple months ago. Aside from inappropriate advertising, why would anyone mention it under a Jellyfin release announcement?
• MrDrMcCoy 26d ago
  Pity they still haven't finished adding support for proper database backends. SQLite is the source of all my problems with Jellyfin as it buckles under the weight of my library, behaves badly on CoW filesystems, and prevents scaling my instance to multiple nodes.
  • globular-toast 26d ago
    I don't even have a huge library but it performs terribly on my system due to SQLite. Would love a Postgres backend.
    • andai 26d ago
      Huh, I always thought one of the main advantages of SQLite was supposed to be the performance. (e.g. it's one of the things they brag about on the website.)
      • globular-toast 26d ago
        It's something to do with NFS. I haven't fully figured it out, but it keeps locking up for some reason. They basically say NFS is not supported.
      • Avamander 26d ago
        It's performant under specific workloads. Performance degrades a lot with safe multi-client usage.
  • clayhacks 26d ago
    Part of this upgrade was improving the database, with the end goal of supporting other database engines like Postgres and MySQL. Unclear exact timeline of proper support but it’s on the way https://features.jellyfin.org/posts/315/mysql-server-back-end https://features.jellyfin.org/posts/315/mysql-server-back-en...
  • port11 25d ago
    I can’t imagine what size library causes trouble, but plugins might also be the problem with slowness or scaling. Could you manually add some indexes on misbehaving queries? I agree that SQLite might not be the better choice given many Jellyfin users are probably on ZFS or BTRFS.
• aayushdutt 26d ago
  Their AI policy (https://jellyfin.org/posts/state-of-the-fin-2026-05-24/#llmai-policy https://jellyfin.org/posts/state-of-the-fin-2026-05-24/#llma...) > AI use isn't completely forbidden in pull requests/code submissions, however you must understand HOW it does what it does, and any posts to a pull request/issue should be written by the user. You cannot function as a go-between between your AI and our questions/comments, just copy-pasting whatever the AI tells you One of the more sensible ones.
• 2OEH8eoCRo0 26d ago
  RC2 was unusable for my large music library. Does anyone else have large music libraries that are unusable?
• onel 26d ago
  [self promo warning] jellyfin 12 available as hosted option on malmo. one click install https://malmo.network/store/jellyfin https://malmo.network/store/jellyfin