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- sdcfgy 29d agoThis reminds me how fragile the internet is and how we need other channels of communication.
- Ciph 29d agoMaybe LoRa? Doesn't get more sovereign than that. As long you have people to connect with, that is.
- 20after4 29d agoLoRa is very short range and extremely bandwidth limited.
- ivoras 28d ago...and trivially jammable
- Gigachad 29d agoThere's already TOR, the problem you run in to is you need connectivity and visibility with the rest of the world on the clearnet. lora is even worse here.
- agnishom 29d agoIs it related to reticulum?
- mitxela 29d agoReticulum can use it as one of several transport layers. LoRa is just layer 1 only
- CircuitSeuss 29d agoNot all problems are best served with technical solutions. This is a political problem.
- sdcfgy 29d agoI’m not suggesting technical solutions to be clear.
- forestingfisher 28d agoReal life is a channel of communication.
- sdcfgy 28d agoExactly my point.
- dudefeliciano 28d agothe internet is real life
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- NetOpWibby 29d agoA DNS alt-root and something like x402 would fix this
- 13415 29d agoI still think a decentralized DNS alternative could scale, if done the right way. I also think that the majority of sites would be more secure if they used a system like ssh to deal with certificates, and government-controlled trust chains should be left for banking and other "official" stuff.
- NetOpWibby 29d agoI'm working on something like this with Dap[1] (full disclosure, I used to be heavy into the Handshake[2] ecosystem). Where previous alt-roots failed is having nothing to build on it. Lots of marketing about how "things will be different" this time while providing nothing in the way of getting developers building experiences atop this new naming system. Claiming your root is more secure isn't enough, what can people DO with it and WHY should they care? I've ranted enough about this to deaf ears over a half decade to no avail. Even if Dap doesn't end up being the first credible alt-root, I do hope something appears and is not immediately linked to (objectively) illegal/evil activity. [1]: https://dap.sh [2]: https://handshake.org
- mitxela 29d ago[dead]
- InsideOutSanta 29d agoI hereby designate the US government an international terrorist organization.
- mag7269 29d agoIf that's what you characterize the US government as, I can only imagine what you characterize some of the other governments around the world. Particularly, from the millions of us who migrated to the US legally and willfully and who are very VERY grateful to this country for providing the opportunities people like myself could only dream-of in our former countries.
- hugodan 29d agoA/I shuts down
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- sph 29d ago> HN is extremely left-leaning What kind of mickey mouse political left are you using for reference here? The Dems? HN is extremely american-leaning, whose centre is firmly to the right compared to the rest of the world.
- dgellow 29d ago> whose centre is firmly to the right compared to the rest of the world. Not really, no. Most of the world is under authoritarian regimes that would be seen as more right leaning. Most democracies are also right leaning. What characterizes the US is being extremely capitalistic and pro-corporations
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- swiftcoder 29d agoI mean, this sort of pales in comparison to sanctioning the International Criminal Court, no? They got away with that...
- 13415 29d agoGood point, it's not a particularly new behavior. It's just depressing what kind of utterly horrible shitshow the US has become. I was pretty open to and almost planning to move to the US 25 years ago and now I'm so happy I didn't.
- righthand 29d ago> We are stopping, but the Resistance and ideas do not stop. Stay human. How will that be if the resistance is not visible to the public. What are all the people using their services supposed to do? I’m guessing there are plans to reform in a few years. Why is the Italian government not protecting them?
- oblongsquare69 29d agoI take it as, talk to people in real life and don’t rely on systems that can be shut down.
- lambda 29d agoThe Italian government is also a far-right government like the US, so is aligned in wanting to suppress left-wing views.
- unfocso 29d ago>Why is the Italian government not protecting them? The Italian police wiretapped them for one year without them knowing.
- mdp2021 29d ago> wiretapped them for one year Can you share the source? I don't have it. Note: one big issue in the whole event is that this prosecution is happening without a transparent judgement.
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- rdtsc 29d agoCan just rename themselves into I/A. “A/I? That’s shut down. We are not affiliated with them…”
- mcv 29d agoPossibly. The content can be saved and posted on a variety of other platforms. While this is very heavy handed censorship, there are plenty of ways around it.
- darig 29d ago[dead]
- monkaiju 29d agoHopefully riseup can pick up some of the slack here, but more decentralized services are needed.
- rireads 28d agoAre there interesting approaches to the problem? Tor comes to mind but that's not really accessible for readers
- AndrewKemendo 29d agoLove these people and what a powerful message If anyone from A/I is reading this know you always have a place to stay/eat if you need it
- vallerie 29d agoYet another example of the troubling amount of power the United States holds over the internet and global finance. I really worry about the future of free and open expression over the next few years.
- unfocso 29d agoReally sad, and also a testament of the fact that as much as we think we try to be indipendent, eventually once somebody starts putting enough pressure on the people around you (and you turn from "a neutral customer" to "a liability") the path to isolation is very short.
- unfocso 29d agoAnd yes, they could relocate to TOR, I2P, use P2P websites, torrents, and only accept cryptos for donations. But eventually you'll need to put down a credit card on file to buy a domain, and that domain needs to be owned by somebody.
- TowerTall 29d agonjal.la (no affiliate) exists for that purpose. It is a privacy focused domain service that is run by the people behind the pirate bay. [1] https://njal.la/domains/ https://njal.la/domains/
- dgellow 29d agoYou’re still subject to ICANN, an American org. There is no escaping the US government if you’re using the public web for your infra
- unfocso 29d agoNjalla is not ICANN accredited, so they cannot register domains. They buy them and then lease them out to you. The issue is, now they are the legal owners and liable for the content of the website, and they also support PayPal, which will absolutely drop them the moment they get sanctioned.
- mitxela 29d agoYou don't have to discover the perfect solution in advance. You can just try something and see how long it works for, then try a different thing.
- nikunj1809 29d agoWhat does it means?
- reilly3000 29d agoThe US government designated a long-running web/email hosting services collective that served political dissidents as a terrorist organization. https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/08/designation-of-autistici-inventati-as-a-specially-designated-global-terrorist https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... It means the government won.
- matt123456789 29d agoWhat did they do??
- dd8601fn 29d agoSounds like providing encrypted communications? I think we can all see the potential problems with this, even if a specific group is awful. “The specific claim: a far-left media group that describes itself as a “tool” for militants to share information “to be acted upon” used A/I’s services to publish communiqués and calls to action for U.S.-designated terrorist groups, including FAI/FRI, the IRGC, Hamas, Hizballah, ELN, NPA, PFLP, and PIJ. That same media group was cited in a federal complaint against a domestic terrorist sentenced to 19 years for attacking a federal building and a police car with IEDs.”
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- dd8601fn 29d agoI don’t disagree. I just don’t know if they actually were courting bad guys or bad guys used an encrypted services provider. Both? Neither? And I don’t see anyone hand wringing about that list of bad guys. Calling some of them “left” is pretty ridiculous in the first place. That part sounds a little like telling on oneself.
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- SpicyLemonZest 29d agoTheir public position, before the sanctions at least (https://archive.is/5TWWu https://archive.is/5TWWu), was that their services were manually vetted and provided "exclusively to individuals or groups we feel we have an affinity with".
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- jtrn 29d agoI also oppose fascism, militarism, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia, like what A/I do... And none of that is illegal... At least not in any civilised society. So what did they do to trigger so many? I remember the Norwegian stuff (since I’m Norwegian), and I remember thinking it sounded like bullshit to copy their entire server drive when they wanted access to the blog of two people. From what I could gather, it seems various governments accused them of deliberately providing infrastructure to groups whose violent activities they supported, such as the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), with communications associated with railway sabotage, attacks on energy infrastructure and the “Jane’s Revenge” arson campaign (whatever the hell that is). Here’s a snippet I found on the net: "Italian police installed a server backdoor in 2004 during an investigation into the anarchist collective Crocenera. It was discovered in 2005. According to contemporary EDRi reporting, the access potentially exposed communications belonging to thousands of unrelated users; EDRi explicitly noted that actual collection of unrelated data had not been proven. EDRi’s contemporary report" Huge disclaimer on this, since it’s just my musings: This might be one of the situations where both sides are in the wrong. It’s possible that A/I willfully turned a blind eye to actual illegal activity by its users, and refused to cooperate with legal investigations. At the same time, various governments, including mine, overreacted and behaved unethically and maybe even illegally because A/I “didn’t want to play ball.” Just speculation. But the fact that I can’t easily find concrete examples of what A/I supposedly did wrong makes me inclined to feel sympathy for them. I hate unspecific allegations like “facilitation of problematic and terroristic-adjacent activities.” That’s some 1984-ish bullshit. I have no clue what I’m talking about here, though. Strange situation and too little information...
- ranyume 29d ago> And none of that is illegal... At least not in any civilised society I mean, the capitalist system is a barbaric system with defenders that do make opposition illegal...
- jtrn 29d agoYeah, but there are degrees. I’d rather have a conversation about trans rights here in Oslo than in Afghanistan.
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- xgulfie 29d agoI can't imagine continuing to run something designated by the US as a terrorist organization for for even ONE day
- layer8 29d agoI’d like to have more information about what “offered” means here. I’m sure that regular email and hosting providers have been used by terrorists without being designated a terrorist organization themselves.
- GaryBluto 29d agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane%27s_Revenge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane%27s_Revenge I'm sure they're aware who they are hosting, at least blog wise. We're not talking about a massive company with no ideological affiliation, they vet who they provide access to before they do so, so in many ways it is more of a partnership than simply providing services. Not that necessarily I think it was worth labelling the organization themselves terrorists, but it still isn't something that should be whitewashed.
- swiftcoder 29d ago> Eleven days? How long do you think you could resist a tier-1 nation state coming after you on terrorism charges?
- mindslight 29d agoActual terrorists have a right to speak too, you know. Intrinsic to the whole idea of rights is that even people we don't like (or are even mortally opposed to!) still have them. The problem with "firebombs on anti-abortion pregnancy crisis centers" is obviously the firebombs.
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- monkaiju 29d agoBold of you to assume we have any say...
- beej71 29d agoYet we did, indirectly.
- monkaiju 29d agoIndirectly is doing a lot of work there. The US is an extremely disenfranchised place, and the choices are both pro-capital and will never actually represent the people in any meaningful sense. This liberal individualism framing only serves to bolster nationalism and divide groups when what we really need to be doing is recognizing our shared goals, with "we" being the international "we", and figure out who our enemies really are.
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- wraptile 29d ago> They promoted and hosted violent/terrorist activity. like?
- foul 29d ago[flagged]
- par 29d ago"created: 62 days ago" -- beyond that, what else makes you think it's a bot?
- Shuang1 29d agoEveryone who disagrees with me is a bot.
- foul 29d agoI'm a gentleman and beyond that it's merely more likely (we are on HN and it's a newish user) that it is a bot, compared to their being a "meta shill" or a "monomaniac". You can skim their comments history for more information.
- mitxela 29d agoI agree, it's a botlike comment history.
- lukan 29d ago"They promoted and hosted violent/terrorist activity." What kind exactly?
- hirako2000 29d agoThey are neutral. So violent terrorist activity is cracked down via their provider. So called secondary sanctions.
- sph 29d ago[flagged]
- andlarry 29d agoHere is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/08/designation-of-autistici-inventati-as-a-specially-designated-global-terrorist https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...
- sph 29d agoLike trying to scrutinize the motives of a complete lunatic.
- Grombobulous 29d agoHere’s the thing though: if even some of the examples given in the state department page are true (some of them are rather silly), that A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of, I’m not sure how they expected to hide behind their mission. My impression is that they didn’t say “hey we don’t have customer information but we don’t service violent groups and we will responsibly investigate and discontinue service to offenders.” Their vibe was much more defiant, like, “we designed this to be anonymous and specifically intend/expect for it to be used in any way regardless of legality and are okay with it.” Is it right for the US to be the global arbiter of this issue and domains in general? Of course not.
- hermannj314 29d agoI am first hearing about this group today, but here is some context: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/08/designation-of-autistici-inventati-as-a-specially-designated-global-terrorist https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... Apparently they provide the digital infrastructure for violent Antifa cells and because of a 9/11 related executive order, the A/I is able to be branded a sponsor of terrorism. I guess this makes it a crime to give them money or provide aid to them (if you are a US citizen). EDIT: who is downvoting and why? The 2nd sentence in the PR says "Autistici/Inventati (A/I Collective) is an Italy-based extremist group that builds and operates the digital infrastructure for violent Antifa cells and other far-left militants across the world" Are you mad that I quote the article or mad that you disagree with Trump? In either case, why are you downvoting me exactly? I am genuinely curious.
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- r3trohack3r 29d agoFrom the state department link above: > Oregon-based Rose City Antifa has relied on A/I Collective tools and services to organize and incite violent and criminal acts domestically, including an attack on Customs and Border Patrol helicopters that led to a federal indictment. Rose City Antifa also used A/I Collective tools and services to disseminate doxing lists and release illegally obtained personal information of Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement, along with calls for targeted attacks on ICE agents in the streets and “in their homes.”
- Planktonne 29d agoThat's a bunch of unproven allegations from an administration with a history of lies; have you got anything more concrete?
- Normal_gaussian 29d agoI wasn't aware of this group; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistici/Inventati https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistici/Inventati is their wiki article, but it is a little light on details. Some of the claims are interesting - "Decision making in the group takes places collectively instead of through majority voting." - isn't explained by the sourced article.
- parineum 29d agoThat seems like two words for the same thing to me but making the distinction seems like a signalling mechanism to me.
- jgtrosh 29d agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making alternative political movements care a lot about how decisions are taken. For instance, authors like David Graeber consider that majority voting only makes sense in the context if backed by violence.
- parineum 29d agoSo what percent of people are required for "consensus" because it seems like 50%+1 to 100%. There seems to also be an implication that democracy is 50+1 when it isn't. It can require any percentage to reach a decision. Those two words refer to the same "type" of system where the members make a decision by ascent or descent. Both systems require an agreed upon barrier of acceptance. They are the same. The US congress reaches decision by consensus.
- selfhoster1312 28d agoConsensus is strictly 100% agreement (or at least 0% disagreement). Granted, it's not always possible. But in some setups and given some objectives, it's sometimes possible to have a collective that finds compromises that satisfy everyone (consensus).
- Cider9986 29d ago>Sorry, but we don’t accept Bitcoin. https://www.inventati.org/donate https://www.inventati.org/donate Should have focused on Monero donations from the get-go. Banks are a plague. Like what is a group like this using banks for or at least diversifying?? It's like choosing not to use E2EE. It's not even left political groups that get debanked or screwed—it's everyone often. Even GrapheneOS, but intelligently, they use crypto heavily: >Unfortunately, PayPal permanently locked our GrapheneOS Foundation account today. No reason has been provided for the account being locked. All we've done is accept donations. We added our bank account information yesterday in order to begin withdrawing money and it was locked. https://xprivate.lol/GrapheneOS/status/1684663777273233408 https://xprivate.lol/GrapheneOS/status/1684663777273233408 https://xprivate.lol/GrapheneOS/search?f=tweets&q=Pay+monero&since=&until=&min_faves= https://xprivate.lol/GrapheneOS/search?f=tweets&q=Pay+monero...
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- olalonde 29d agoNot surprising. Far-leftists tend to be ideologically opposed to Bitcoin. They say so themselves: "Bitcoin are an investment fund pump & dump done to dupe the ultra-libertarian anarco-capitalists."
- selfhoster1312 28d agoThe problem with repression is not financial. Since A/I's goal was never to make profit, Bitcoin can't do anything to help them.
- hirako2000 29d agoSo the oppression does work. It won't stop.
- flohofwoe 29d agoHmm, I would have expected more outrage from the US "free speech absolutists" over this US government decision ;)
- politician 29d agoDid you catch the part where A/I Collective is operated by foreign parties outside the US?
- Arainach 29d agoIf you believe in civil liberties as rights and ideals, your belief shouldn't stop at borders.
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- vrganj 29d agoDo you think your country is the only one that thought of free speech? Your particular implementation is irrelevant, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by giving us a lecture on how some foreign country justifies their self-perception. That being said, it is somewhat humorous how you're confirming the stereotypes that apparently even that needs guns and violence over there somehow?
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- Arainach 29d ago> Hmm, I would have expected more outrage from the US "free speech absolutists" over this US government decision The crowd that claims to be in favor of free speech should be in favor of free speech for everyone, not just US citizens. This thread isn't about the government - it's about how HN's very vocal "free speech" crowd are actually libertarians who want to say awful things and not get called out rather than people who stand up for the concept of free speech in general.
- Dansvidania 29d agoI have no way to verify whether the collective really helped the violent acts that are cited in the designation[1] but, as an Italian, given the dialectic and rhetoric in their statements and in their websites, it would not surprise me if this once they - the US government - were not wrong. "A broken clock marks the right time twice a day" and all that. I have experienced this kind of language personally back when the collective started (they have root in the no-global movement, a protest group that contributed to the violence at the Genova G8). At the time I was a young activist on their side, but the 'we are not violent' wink-wink nudge-nudge attitude was not main stream but very much all over the place and became hard to ignore. [1]https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/08/designation-of-autistici-inventati-as-a-specially-designated-global-terrorist https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... edit: forgot the link to the designation
- dudefeliciano 28d ago> as an Italian, given the dialectic and rhetoric in their statements As if that holds any value, especially considering the rest of your comment, which completely ignores the rhetoric of that "designation". That designation is toilet paper - the wording "violent Antifa cells" in the second sentence should be the wake up signal. > they have root in the no-global movement, a protest group There was/is no protest group called the no-global movement - you are using language the same way Trump & co. use the word antifa. And using language like Trump & co. is not a good look. > that contributed to the violence at the Genova G8. That was the black-bloc, maybe a few hundred or thousand actors within a protest of up to 300k people. I am leaving out the many controversies regarding the infiltrators in the black bloc and the manufactured "evidence" like planted molotov cocktails in the Diaz school. And we all know who else contributed to the violence, but you conveniently left that out. Carlo Giuliani was killed by police. Same police that raided a school and charged peaceful protesters.
- Dansvidania 28d ago> As if that holds any value, especially considering the rest of your comment, which completely ignores the rhetoric of that "designation". I am not saying that you have to hold my experience to any value, but I am stating that was my experience. Anyone is free to interpret as they prefer, but I would question your argument as to why. It sounds a lot like "whataboutism". The fact that the designation is bad does not change my experience with the rhetoric of the collective. If you'd rather know why I do not express much judgement on the designation: I did not pass any judgement of the dialectic in the designation because I don't claim to have the same experience with such - or any - dialect in English. I also state that 'a broken clock ...' underlining - I thought - the fact that I don't think the US government does normally much good. > "violent Antifa cells" in the second sentence should be the wake up signal. It's not as obvious to me as it is to you why "violent antifa cells" is a wake up signal. Would you mind explaining further? > There was/is no protest group called the no-global movement.. you are using language the same way Trump & co Admittedly, these are memories from quite a while ago, I don't exclude some of them might be wrong, but as much as it's not a movement with a cohesive leadership and structured belief, for what it's worth, wikipedia seems to agree with me on the existence of a "No global movment" and its connection with the Genova G8 issues [1]. I would invite you to avoid name calling, such as comparing me to Trump :D I had no connection with black bloc, and while I agree with you that it was a small minority in the protest having violent intentions, I disagree that only black bloc was to blame for those violent intentions. I also don't absolve the police, what happened was horrifying, but this again does not take away from the fact that the rhetoric used in the communication by the collective reminds me of the 'not so not violent' groups that at the very least orbited the violence, and, in my personal opinion, very much winked at and approved of it. I don't see you make an argument contrary to what I am saying other than discrediting my own experience based on the fact that - in your opinion - I don't criticize both sides equally? [1]https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movimento_no-global https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movimento_no-global
- mannanj 29d agoSo, in 2021-2022 I publically called the See I Ayyy terrorists and advocated against accounts that algorithmically looked to astroturf or divide people on Instagram. They showed up as actors in my commune where I lived (it was open-to-join, that was the mistake I made among being naive publically thinking truth prevails). I found after that the many past abuses of our government have not stopped and simply adopted to the modern age. Organizations whose interest it is to protect their shadow interests care not about what’s actually good for Americans, their interests are for maintaining status quo. Status quo supports what - questioning AI and attempting to reverse the power structures or following along obediantly without question? I always wondered if my commentary led me to be put into a database of some kind. After Formerly holding a clearance, and letting it lapse, I’m recently reapplying and let’s see if “calling a government organization a terrorist org” discounts me from that. After reading the article I wouldn’t be surprised if like school yard bullies a leader in the orgs with power respond to viral accusers by marking them in a database as terrorists. Edit; please don’t accuse me of having mental health issues, I’m fine and I am working with my senators office and a “investigatory” agency to look into the abuses. I don’t yet feel hopeful the 3 petter org will reveal anything tho about my case due to security reasons.
- queenkjuul 29d agoI fucking hate the US so much
- sehw 29d agoAmerica hate thread?
- tastyface 29d agoNo. America hate anti-fascism.
- rdtsc 29d ago> The anarchist cells responsible for sabotaging rail systems across France, Italy, Germany, and the Netherlands in 2026, relied on A/I Collective tools and services to claim responsibility for the attacks Hmm. So they are going by “A/I vets its users” and users sabotaged rail systems so therefore A/I is materially assisting terrorists? I wonder how this vetting works? Do users have to submit government issued documents, write essays? Do they make users sign non-violence agreement ToS. I mean heck, Facebook and Twitter has material supporting various things like that and US government is designated them as terrorists.
- joquarky 29d agoI wonder why gun manufacturers aren't responsible for the behavior of their users, but this org is.
- arcfour 29d agoBecause you don't apply to a gun company to buy a gun. (You actually apply to the government...chew on that one for a while.)
- bakies 29d agoDidn't need to chew, I already know the government doesn't do enough to curb gun violence.
- ThunderSizzle 29d agoWell, in my state, you don't "apply" for a gun like you apply for a license. It is just document that you purchased it after the seller runs a background check. The government isn't attesting to your capabilities - that is still on you as a citizen.
- Sharlin 29d agoBut that's an outlier. In normal countries you apply for a license, THEN after you get it, you're allowed to purchase a firearm.
- Kuyawa 29d agoI hereby designate the US dollar the currency of an international terrorist organization
- teekert 29d agoI think everybody should read the two Economic Hitmen books by John Perkins.
- apricot 29d ago> In a world where allegations are disconnected from reality, we can only expect repression to be increasingly disproportionate. At the very beginning of his first mandate, when he lied about something as trivial as the size of the crowd during his inauguration, and kept to his lies despite absolute evidence to the contrary, never showing any hesitation, second thoughts, or remorse, Trump showed everyone the way ahead. Do not look at facts. Decide what you want to be true, and act like it is true. Do this every day of every year. In the beginning, people will object; do not get into a debate with them, rather continue making up lies, bigger ones. I remember seeing videos of a tsunami for the first time. I imagined a huge wave that destroyed everything. It was nothing like that. It started slowly. The water level rose, a few waves went over a wall and onto streets, But the water kept coming, and coming, destroying everything that stood in its path, and in a matter of minutes it was the ocean where before there was a city.
- xyst 29d agoThe "terrorist" definition is just anybody that doesn’t agree with this administration at this point. They will fabricate anything to justify their thinly veiled intentions.
- driverdan 29d agoThis isn't new, it changed after 9/11. The US government expanded the definition of terrorism to pretty much mean anything they want.
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- postit 29d agoI'm wondering how long until they target CCC :/
- mitxela 29d ago[dead]
- mitxela 29d agoThat'll be fun. But the CCC doesn't engage in resistance any more. They mostly just hold the conferences where people tinker with stuff in ways that don't matter .
- selfhoster1312 28d agoWell A/I doesn't engage in resistance either. All they did was provide email services and host blogs for people. By this standard, Wikipedia or CCC could indeed be next.
- shevy-java 29d ago> Every day we stayed online after August 26, 2026, has been a victory, but now we are forced to stop. Sad to see big bro tech and AI skynet is winning the war.
- timedude 29d agoIt's interesting how a terrorist organization is now labeling others terrorists. This is how far we've come.
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- einpoklum 29d agoThis is unfortunately nothing new. The hegemonic power defines resistance to it as criminal, terrorist, immoral, heathen, satanic, reactionary etc.
- NicoJuicy 29d agoAnother reason why EU should be independant of US. Cloudflare never had this kinda of bs... 2 different rules it seems.
- m4rtink 29d agoSo I guess they just relaunch under a different name ?
- tolerance 29d agoIf I was someone who funded/relied on A/I's services I would have been trying to figure out what would it had taken for the US State Department to produce evidence for their allegations and would have lobbied for some sort of determination of whether the scope of A/I's involvement with said parties and their actions violated their own policies/terms of service. Otherwise there is a way to look at this as A/I getting away scot-free for failing to administer their policies, failing to hold bad actors accountable and ultimately letting down individuals and organizations who lawfully used their services. I'm also not surprised that A/I themselves never anticipated something like this happening and did not have some sort of protocol in place to deal with it. They had 25 years to do so.
- typhonic 29d ago> History shows that people always choose convenience over autonomy. The mere fact that revolution exists disproves this statement.
- lrvick 29d agoWe must all fight for independent hosting or we will lose the right. Punish those trying to stop it by coming back stronger. Spin up in a few new countries if you have to. Friends and I have been giving out free shell accounts, service hosting, and mentorship for anon randos for over 25 years. Apparently this makes us cyber-terrorists. Neat! We have had our infrastructure taken from us many times, and quickly come back online, often in a new country, every time. Looking forward to 25 more years of people trying to kill us. Every attempt makes us stronger and smarter.
- eek2121 29d agoWhat is this nonsense even about? Site I’ve never heard of making bombastic claims without any citations. Can someone please provide context and sources? Because this looks like a hoax or something? Edit: just so we are clear, I’ve no idea what A/I is, the linked page gave no details, nor do the current top comments. The current top comment is rambling about free shell accounts and stuff. The ones I read after that were mourning the loss of this mysterious site/service/something. Does anyone want to clueinthe rest of us?
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- exiguus 29d agoThe U.S. government’s track record is concerning. After their actions against AntifaOst, numerous NGOs, such as 'Die Rote Hilfe,' were stripped of their banking access in Europe.
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- MelonArmiger 29d ago"Italian neckbeard collective declared terrorist organization by Donald Trump" - what a world we live in.
- SV_BubbleTime 29d agoI like how certain HN threads really highlight that the venn of users here and Reddit /r/politics share almost entirely the same area.
- latentframe 29d agoPolitical risk becoming infrastructure risk ; aservice can be viable technically and still disappear when the institutional environment changes
- glimshe 28d agoWhen radical right wing groups get whacked, everybody celebrates (as we should). But when radical left wing groups suffer the same fate, we should be crying?
- molsongolden 28d agoFor people wondering what types of organizations A/I was providing services to, you can explore the blogs that A/I hosted by using DataRepublican's database that was scraped from the NoBlogs platform. https://datarepublican.com/noblogs/ https://datarepublican.com/noblogs/ There's a "Dashboard" view in the top right that is easier to skim.
- dudefeliciano 28d ago"In this political climate, continuing to offer our services endangers our users and anyone who is part of our communities" This is true in Italy, the United States, Russia, China, and with yesterday's victory of AfD in Sachsen-Anhalt I see the trajectory of it becoming true in Germany too very soon. And a lot of the comments in this so-called community of so-called hackers are very disheartening, have any of you even read the Hackers Manifesto? Are you just going to shut your eyes in front of the evidence, as long as your pockets and bellies are full?