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Qwen-Image-3.0: Rich Content, Authentic Details, Deep Knowledge
- xiaoyu2006 3mo agoThe blog write-up style is so casual haha.
- embedding-shape 3mo agoNot a single word about when/if they'll actually release the weights for this, or am I missing it somewhere?
- user43928 3mo agoConsidering Qwen-Image-2.0 weights have not been released either, it unfortunately looks unlikely.
- vachina 3mo agoWhy release it just so Cursor/Azure/Amazon can profit off of it? Unless OpenAI actually opens it up fat chance.
- vunderba 3mo agoAfter Z-Image and the original Qwen-Image - I think they've pivoted completely to closed source. From the images I've seen, Qwen-Image 3.0 is just a subpar equivalent to other proprietary models like gpt-image-2 and nb-pro.
- Mashimo 3mo ago> Supports up to 4.5k token input, effortlessly generating complex layouts such as newspapers, storyboards, and exam papers. Impressive. Btw, what is currently the best model to run locally on a 16GB Vram? Is it Z-Image Turbo?
- woadwarrior01 3mo agoKrea-2-Turbo. I've even got it working locally on my M5 iPad Pro.
- Mashimo 3mo agothanks mate. Sadly not supported yet by Invoke, but I will take a look.
- Izmaki 3mo ago> We implemented safety measures across the full model development lifecycle. Any suggestions for the best open, non-opinionated model?
- woadwarrior01 3mo agoIt is a reasonably non-opinionated model. My usual test is to ask these models to generate comic book and cartoon characters that hosted image generation models refuse to generate. I think that text is just CYA legalese.
- Izmaki 3mo agoWhat's your favourite (online or offline) model for image generation?
- woadwarrior01 3mo agoKrea-2-Turbo and Z-Image-Turbo, both offline.
- bitexploder 3mo agoYou can also ablate it.
- kroaton 3mo agoIt depends on what you need, but Krea/Klein9b/Ideogram4/Z-Image are among the best right now for text2image and Qwen Edit and Klein are probably still the best at editing.
- spwa4 3mo agoAppears to be closed-weights entirely. No word at all on any weights release.
- weird-eye-issue 3mo agoThe meta keywords in the HTML is very interesting. 100+ references to NSFW topics such as hentai, nudes, etc.
- lukan 3mo agoThat is hilarious as porn is illegal in China. But I guess pron SEO is allright, if it is against the west.
- weird-eye-issue 3mo agoWestern search engines simply ignore the meta keywords tag for over a decade now
- lukan 3mo agoSo what is the point then?
- weird-eye-issue 3mo agoThere is no point. It's from people that have no clue which is most people that do search engine optimization That said it's possible search engines in China or other countries might use it, but it's very easy to game so it doesn't really make sense
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- lukan 3mo agoIncels are probably the biggest porn consumers. Apart from that, I made no judgement about porn in general, just about porn tags in Chinese backed AI websites.
- Lio 3mo ago> porn is as American as apple pie So not at all then as Apple Pie is a traditional English desert. :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pie
- rvz 3mo agoMidjourney already knew that image generation was going to zero. Again yet another reason why the model was never a moat in the first place.
- amelius 3mo agoThe moat is the training data. But somehow we've collectively decided that it's not.
- treetalker 3mo agoThe red-dress woman's vestigial pinkie toes …
- postalcoder 3mo agoThey must have trained on GPT Image 1 outputs. The yellow tint is unmistakable. https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/image3/whale.jpg https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/i... https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/image3/update5.png https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/i... https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/image3/mlp.png https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/i... https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/image3/image%20-%202026-07-21T003745.645.png https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/i...
- yorwba 3mo agoGPT Image 1 ended up with a yellow tint without training on another image-generation model's output. It's just that humans like pictures with a soft sunset glow, and this is a very easy global signal for a preference model to pick up on, and for a image-generation model to imitate. So optimizing for aesthetic appeal makes everything slightly tinted by default, unless you make sure to countersteer.
- postalcoder 3mo agoFair point!
- Grimblewald 3mo agoDidnt the piss tint come after their big studio ghibli heist?
- dannyw 3mo agoAI-generated images are part of the web now, if you're doing ordinary web scraping, you can't avoid training on generated images.
- hugmynutus 3mo agoyellow/red tint is an extremely common problem not matter the photograph source you train on source: work at a photograph start, even training on raw images things get tinted, it is an uphill battle
- jdw64 3mo agoWow, it displays Korean properly without breaking. But there are still a lot of typos. Haha, it's good that Korean displays properly, but there are a lot of incorrect sentences
- mahimai 3mo agointeresting
- mynti 3mo agoTo me it feels so weird that people are trying to push these model for online shopping like "here is how this dress/shirt/pants would look on you". But these models will always make the clothes fit your body and show you in flattering light and so on. How the actual garment fits is still as elusive as before these tools
- walrus01 3mo agoThe cynic in me says this is just an advancement and logical continuation from the known problem of sycophantic behavior in text-to-text chatbot format LLM, to image generation models.
- inerte 3mo agoTo me the tools are newer, but fit people in a controlled context to sell clothing is as old as photography itself.
- number6 3mo agoSounds exactly like something the marketing department would use to up the convertion rate
- viraptor 3mo agoThere's definitely a predatory "everything will look good", but you can also leverage exactly that part for your own purposes - I've done pre-shopping a couple of times by asking for something like "a grid of 9 versions of my photo, wearing different types of X that look good". Definitely helped with choosing a good style.
- khurs 3mo agoAs long as the Product Manger gets a bonus/promotion then it's a success.
- TylerE 3mo agoTo be fair in many cases the actual clothes aren't much better. I've had two pair of the same pants, same brand, same size fit noticeably differently.
- viridir 3mo agoThis looks impressive！
- pal9000i 3mo agoHow long until we get rid of the AI "plasticness" in portrait kind of generated images?
- aitchnyu 3mo agoThere is an IRL phenomena, glass skin skincare and makeup, where the person's skin is evenly flat and toned and glossy. Did you think they are more plasticky than IRL models?
- numpad0 3mo agoThat's supposed to make skin appear lively. Human skins in AI images tend to look clouded, opaque, and overall un-alive, so to speak.
- jrs100000 3mo agoThe right models and LORAs can get rid of it right now. People apparently really like everyone to look like over exposed over filtered mannequins, so the big companies target that look.
- cubefox 3mo agoI think it's unintentional. People usually dislike any recognizable "AI look", but they do like other aspects which might have an unrealistic AI look as a side effect. For example, Google's Imagen 3 usually looked a lot less fake than the newer Imagen 4, but the latter still scored higher on most benchmarks because it made fewer mistakes and had better prompt following capabilities. A similar thing happened with Dalle-E 2 and Dell-E 3: The new model was better but also more fake looking.
- lifeofpi331144 3mo agowhat are the right models and loras?
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- saltysalt 3mo agoIt will be interesting to compare this to Flux 2.
- Oarch 3mo agoI assume Van Gogh didn't paint enough hands to train from!
- gpjanik 3mo agoThe real performance is nowhere close to what is presented in the marketing materials, which is pretty annoying. Especially text rendering and accuracy. Try asking it for a plot of Polish GDP growth over the past 20 years. It's slop.
- viraptor 3mo agoThis model isn't supposed to contain all the numerical data. It will give you a (usually) matching graph transformed from one you provide or from a table of information you provide. Or you can pipeline from an LLM doing research on that data first. But expecting an image gen model to get you GDP info has got to be one of the worst possible approaches. > Especially text rendering That's true though. I still got some completely fried letters in headings.
- yorwba 3mo agoGiving it numerical data in an LLM-generated prompt doesn't seem to help much: https://imgur.com/a/KFhczOd https://imgur.com/a/KFhczOd It included the table verbatim and even managed to hallucinate a reasonable heading for it, but then the graph doesn't even manage to align the data points with the time axis, leading to an unfortunate collision in the middle. I guess you should use a traditional graphing library for your presentation slides for now.
- spwa4 3mo ago... but if you want an accurate graph, why not ask the LLM model to put the data points into a graphing library?
- gpjanik 3mo agoI am not expecting it, it's the Qwen team is claimingthey can do much harder tasks than this, like rendering a consistent page of a maths paper, or creating true to fact explainers. They can't.
- dsrtslnd23 3mo agoSeems that this will not be open weights?
- gchokov 3mo agoIt failed to create a simple overlay on a map - something ChatGPT had no issues with.
- maxloh 3mo agoI am curious whether the model requires a font to be installed. Does it also generate the glyphs for the text?
- simonw 3mo agoYes, it generates the text without using a font. Same is true of other image models like ChatGPT Images and Gemini Nano Banana and Midjourney.
- vunderba 3mo agoIt's a proprietary model as a service - it doesn't require anything outside of a browser. But even when they released open-weight (the original Qwen-Image) it's a diffusion model and can't use custom font files.
- feverzsj 3mo agoThe "piss filter" is still everywhere.
- dhbradshaw 3mo agoThe generated latex pdf!
- hessammehr 3mo agoVery cool but the Arabic text in the title image is obviously and hopelessly broken, which is oddly not the case when actually using the model. Could it be that the hero image was not generated by Qwen Image 3.0?
- amrrs 3mo agothat's a very interesting point to test new models. I speak an Indian language called "Tamil" and have always tested new models with Tamil but also have tried little bit of Arabic (quranic verses) with previous GPT image 2 and Nanobanana pro and they have nailed it. Don't know if it was because of extensive training data.
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- bejd 3mo agoI wonder if they got permission to generate that (admittedly impressive) Berserk image.
- arslan9063 3mo agoTHIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR
- ninjagoo 3mo agoThe examples posted on their launch blog page are quite impressive, especially for fine details, multi-panel/multi-page and text rendering. But: not open-source/open-weights, and no indication that weights/source will be released either.
- simonw 3mo ago> to precisely describe the full 3×3 grid takes a full 3.7k tokens It's a shame they didn't share that prompt - it would make that demo more convincing.
- tarcon 3mo agoI am surprised by the rather bad output. It doesn't achieve qwen image 1 quality in composition or anatomical correctness. Tested on chat.qwen.ai I am seeing third legs and glowing eyes. It's a Microsoft Lens level of quality and that one was pulled.
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoI truly wish these models were available when I was in University. As a visual learner it would have been much easier for me to understand certain topics with illustrative diagrams rather than reading a wall of text.
- DaiPlusPlus 3mo ago…but the illustrative diagrams are a simulacrum; if you ask Qwen, or any image-generator, for an “accurate” poster-design featuring a representation of a model of an atom and explaining its constituent parts I expect you’ll get an imitation-airbrush rendering of red, blue, and grey table-tennis balls orbiting in perfect circles; you might get an electron-shell diagram if you’re lucky. What you won’t get is anything remotely related to probability-clouds. Edit: just to test myself I asked Nano Banana 2 to generate “an undergraduate infographic poster about how atoms work” - and the result was something right out of a middle-school science textbook and very Bohr…
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoThis is the image I got for the same prompt: https://jumpshare.com/s/mqqBdl7U59FWPiEXjwoM https://jumpshare.com/s/mqqBdl7U59FWPiEXjwoM. It's more like high-school level, but not bad. I can imagine a collage professor can improve the prompt the create a more accurate and detailed diagram
- zarzavat 3mo agoThis seems like something that could be solved by asking an LLM to write the prompt for the image model. You can also feed in the output of an image model into an LLM and ask it to check it/make improvements.
- R_D_Olivaw 3mo agoThis is the way. There's definitely more dogfooding that needs to be done. And id argue that if your purpose is truly to learn or to teach, the process of describing that image will do wonders for retention.
- lifthrasiir 3mo ago> In the three examples below, the model accurately renders Japanese, Korean, and Spanish respectively. And yet the Korean text is not accurate... [1] [1] E.g. "드레스 컬렉션 dress collection" has vowels ㅔ mixed with ㅐ, "초웜한" should be "초월한 exceeding", "신키한" should be "실키한 silky", "디자언되다" should be "디자인되다 have been designed", "로얼" should be "로열 royal", and so on.
- ndom91 3mo agoAgain not released on huggingface immediately?
- timedude 3mo agoZooming in on mobile on that website causes a large white area to obstruct the page. Might wanna look into that. As for the image model, wow...
- aand16 3mo agoTheir site is still broken, months later. Pinching to zoom in progressively covers the content on the page. Kinda wild to think they haven't fixed it yet. On mobile you cannot zoom in to view their images. Maybe the site is vibe coded and nobody at Qwen actually knows how to fix it.. Another astonishing UX fail was (still is) on Xiaomi's page[1] - where they try, and successfully fail, to showcase a video editor implemented by their model. They embed a screen capture hosted on a Chinese hosting site BiliBili, too bad the video is 360p pixel soup. To be able to change the resolution you are required to: - know to use desktop view in the browser to make the resolution button show - know Chinese to understand which button is "resolution" and that you need to login to switch resolution - have and account with the video hoster or be willing to register I was curious, but not that curious... [1] https://mimo.xiaomi.com/mimo-v2-5-pro#AFull-FeaturedVideoEditor https://mimo.xiaomi.com/mimo-v2-5-pro#AFull-FeaturedVideoEdi...
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- Smaily 3mo agowhy I cant submitte new posts here ? My account since 2016
- cubefox 3mo agoProbably because you have too few upvoted comments. The rules likely got stricter when LLMs started to infiltrate Hacker News.
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- jcattle 3mo agoWhat I can not wrap my head around: How are these models trained? What training mechanism or model architecture provides the glue to go from human text to images? Don't you need to have millions of really descriptively labelled images?
- mistercheph 3mo agoI found this 3b1b guest video on diffusion helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-5mZ_9CPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-5mZ_9CPY
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- nucleative 3mo agoThat's exactly how they do it. There are ML models that do the reverse and output image to text, which assist quite a lot. The better the text represents the unique thing in the photo, the better the model understands what that text means.
- vonneumannstan 3mo agoShort answer yes. Slightly longer answer for older text to image models you teach them how to encode images and text into the same latent space. Then you simply do a conversion, take a text input, put it into latent space and then extract the image that latent space represents.
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- topheroo 3mo agoI’d argue that talking about “authentic” AI-generated images is oxymoronic.
- zzleeper 3mo agoRandom question, but has there been any improvement in OCR/document understanding in these newer models? Last time I checked (1mo ago) SOTA was still sadly Gemini, unless you wanted to pay $$$ for e.g. Sol
- HawtAds 3mo agoNot sure about OCR specifically, but the newer (past quarter) vision language models all have a lot of post training on detecting garbled text specifically. You can feed some of the old stable diffusion outputs into a modern model and they can figure out pretty reliably if the text gen is mangled. I think the feature is probably used as part of the RL for the image gen to correct for bad text rendering.
- geooff_ 3mo agoNo pricing table? No benchmarks? This is just marketingslop. Image token pricing has been fairly steady while text token prices fall, yet image model release discussion seems to be more focused on how beautiful the women the model generates are versus any sort of substantive discussion.
- m3kw9 3mo agoImpressive, but their woman face generation always use very similar, too perfect, same prettiness faces, it's very obvious.
- dzonga 3mo agoonce a.i images took over - a lot of things that were based on images died. going to a fancy restaurant coz of 'you can take good pics' - dead - a.i can recreate that cheaper. which means for a certain demographic - dating apps are dead too - since those were largely based on swiping photos. the premium of in-person / small intimate events has gone up. likewise meeting in person, or doing things with a person live. this also means imperfection has gone up in value (imperfection is a human quality).
- hankbond 3mo agothe era of wabi-sabi is among us.
- BoorishBears 3mo ago"the premium of in person" is a string of words that only means something to people in a very specific circle where everyone is constantly trying to tastemake and write in lower case. Ironically they have extremely limited influence on how the larger world moves: normal people won't meaningfully change their habits around eating good food or meeting up with each other just because AI can generate a picture of either.
- jarjoura 3mo agoI would attribute any in-person cultural shift to the generation of 20-somethings trapped online during their teenage years from COVID. They are finally old enough, and have enough power to run things.
- Mr_Eri_Atlov 3mo agoImage generation is the least interesting and most concerning aspect of AI. I see lots of useful tools made related to translation and code generation, but image generation seems to be primarily used to deceive, harass, or embelish to the point of questioning what the point of a photo is anymore anyway?
- kthartic 3mo agoI can give one innocent example - I made an app that summarises D&D sessions, including images to depict some of the scenes. But I understand the jaded perspective. I guess the idea of ‘deepfakes’ didn’t give AI image gen a great reputational start.
- lalith_c 3mo agodidn’t anthropic accuse them of stealing fable?
- flakiness 3mo agoIt's a bit shocking to see them showing off blatantly disinformation-al examples. See the Japanese manga one. It says "原作 監修 三浦建太郎" which says its original is written by, and it is supervised the by, the famous author (who died a few years ago so who can he possibly supervise?) and "共同制作 白泉社" saying: collaborated by a (famous Japanese) publisher. I hope these stakeholders have good enough layers.
- noodlescb 3mo agoIt's hilarious how bad image generation is. I just tried this out and I gave it two actual logos, a full design language spec, and three screenshots of the actual application and it spat out three absolutely awful images, none of which had the same logo as the one I sent.
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