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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

• tasty_freeze 5mo ago
  I've been using Graphene on my Pixel 7a for about a year and I'm happy I made the switch. For sure it is a bit rougher than using Google's OS, but not enough to make me regret it. The main things I miss are (1) when I'm entering text I can't swipe left and right on the space bar to scroll the cursor left and right, and (2) the texting app doesn't just attach reaction emojis to a message -- it quotes the whole message and prefixes it with something like "Marty like blahblahblah". When there is a whole family text chain it isn't uncommon to see the same message 7 times as various people react to the original message. Anyway, I looked at Google's Android 17 blog and yikes: "With deep integration between hardware, software and AI, we’re transforming Android from an operating system to an intelligence system. It's about delivering new helpful experiences that anticipate user needs, and it brings more opportunities for engagement with your apps." https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17.html https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17...
  • andrepd 5mo ago
    Regarding (1), that's on your keyboard, which you can choose. Maybe you can give Futo a try? https://keyboard.futo.org/ https://keyboard.futo.org/
    • jstanley 5mo ago
      Why does it need its own F-droid repo?
      • scns 5mo ago
        Simple Keyboard is on F-Droid too. Supports moving cursor via space bar.
        • cURLSagan 5mo ago
          Same for HeliBoard
      • ssddanbrown 5mo ago
        Because the code is not provided under a free/open-source license, and therefore does not meet the requirements for the main F-droid repo.
        • aorth 5mo ago
          Ah interesting. They use the "FUTO source first" license. https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard/blob/master/LIC... Open source with limitations on commercial use.
          • fph 5mo ago
            Technically it's "source-available", not "open-source".
  • danielspace23 5mo ago
    Problem (1) is a keyboard problem, not a GrapheneOS problem. Graphene comes with the stock AOSP keyboard which is very basic, but you can absolutely replace it. Personally I'm using the FUTO Keyboard and it does have that feature, as well as swiping, speech to text and much more. Maybe you can try installing another SMS app for problem (2)? Much like the stock keyboard, the stock Messaging app is just the AOSP app. Honestly it works fine for me so I don't have a recommendation.
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    > The main things I miss are (1) when I'm entering text I can't swipe left and right on the space bar to scroll the cursor left and right, GrapheneOS is compatible with the vast, vast majority of Android apps, so you can use GBoard or FUTO keyboard (which I recently switched to from GBoard), to get the ideal experience. FUTO recently revamped their swipe to type model and it's now more accurate than GBoard in their testing. I am a huge swipe type person, so this is what held me in GBoard's clutches, but now I'm free. The dataset is open source and anyone can add to it if you're on a mobile device here: https://swipe.futo.org https://swipe.futo.org And you can learn about it here: https://swipe.futo.tech https://swipe.futo.tech > the texting app doesn't just attach reaction emojis to a message -- it quotes the whole message and prefixes it with something like "Marty like blahblahblah". When there is a whole family text chain it isn't uncommon to see the same message 7 times as various people react to the original message. Google messages, the experience you get on PixelOS, is also compatible with GrapheneOS, but you will have to afford network access to sandboxed google play, among other things. I couldn't tell you specifically, but it will work out of the box before you restrict anything. Many people choose to use this setup because it opportunistically adds e2ee for chats between iPhones and other Androids using Google messages. There's also other SMS apps, but I focused on switching people to Signal so I barely ever use SMS. Once I replaced the default apps, GrapheneOS became a premium phone experience.
    • sivers 5mo ago
      Yes! FUTO keyboard, then go into VOICE INPUT → MODELS → Explore Voice Input Models → English-244: “Best for the most accurate results, but more demanding.” The voice recognition is built on Whisper, and is amazing. You can speak conversationally for a long time and it gets everything right, with smart decisions based on context. My stupid thumbs text no more.
      • tasty_freeze 5mo ago
        I just did. I had been using FUTO voice, but I see that FUTO keyboard also supports voice input, so I'm not sure if I should delete FUTO voice as being redundant now.
  • idle_zealot 5mo ago
    I used to dread the promised deep system integration of AI, but honestly after setting Claude up on a server box and having it do sysadmin stuff for me that I've been putting off for ages I see the vision. I don't really want to mess with the details of working through system orchestration tasks, I want to say "spin up this service" and start using it, "change my config so X happens" and it does, and knows what needs restarting to pick up changes and all the fiddly knobs and configs that need syncing and their bespoke formats. I think Nix tried to unify this for people, but it arrived too close to LLMs so a lot of value (in this dimension) has been delivered by other means. The point is, I'd like to be able to set up services, configuration, and run tasks on my phone this way too, ideally offline. If this system integration is what gives me programmatic control of my most personal computer and the ability to finally set up decent automated tasks and workflows then so be it.
    • TheRoque 5mo ago
      The thing is they don't setup their "intelligence system" for the type of task you wanna do. They are integrating it for tasks like "buy me a plane ticket for my next holidays", "order diner for me, the usual"...
    • ptx 5mo ago
      The vendors are never going to give you control over your computer no matter what vision they try to sell you on. The whole point, from their perspective, is to use their control of your computer to gain more control over you, which they hope to then exploit for profit.
      • Terr_ 5mo ago
        Right: Look at the ways Google has persistently taken away user-control and autonomy on the OS level. Why would we expect the same company to exhibit a completely opposite philosophy as they add LLM features?
      • duncangh 5mo ago
        Idk I feel like Ansible and RHEL aim to give you that control in a way that’s not typically corporate icky in the way you describe but ymmv. Granted both are products based on FOSS; so in the broader sense that pattern may hold
  • Groxx 5mo ago
    Regarding 2: that is literally how SMS reactions work. Apps that recognize it just interpret it as "put that emoji on that message". It is unfortunate that it doesn't do that tho. RCS is different, which you can sometimes get working by installing Google Messages¹, which is essentially the only app that supports RCS any more. Google runs essentially all the servers too. --- 1: There are no third-party RCS apps² because, unlike SMS which has an API and a shared database on the device, RCS is extremely locked down and it's literally impossible to create one in stock Android. This is also why it's only "sometimes" on GOS, the details are very complicated and rather enraging. 2: Samsung had one, but they're shutting it down in favor of Google Messages. A tiny number of other devices / telecoms have their own too, but they're rapidly shutting down as well. RCS is very nearly fully controlled and implemented by Google now, except for iMessage as a client only, for now, and there's no encryption between iMessage<->Google Messages last I checked (but there apparently is between Google Messages... but no normal person can really verify that because it's Just Google Everywhere).
    • rookderby 5mo ago
      I agree with this post and add one anecdotal data point. I had installed graphene os on a pixel but after a couple months and a couple loops between lineage, stock, and graphene, I eventually settled on stock android. I have group messages with family and some of the family are on apple, some on android, and RCS only works with google messages and google services installed. It's infuriating that I can't send RCS messages unless google allows me to. I want to go back to email or MMS. Supposedly after a month (!!) RCS group chats will fall back to MMS, but that was not my experience. Also, if you turn RCS on/off you may get kicked out of group messages [0]. [0] https://support.google.com/messages/answer/7189714?hl=en https://support.google.com/messages/answer/7189714?hl=en
      • Groxx 5mo ago
        Yeah, it's pretty awful tbh. I generally recommend disabling RCS, after learning a lot more about it - it feels like a hostile grab at global messaging at this point, heavily entrenched by telecom agreements. Use Signal or something instead. Initially there were some promising details planned, but much of it hasn't panned out, and plus now it's Just Google™. Like, roughly everyone has heard that RCS brings E2EE privacy, right? Would it surprise you to learn that it was only added to the spec around a year ago, and nobody has it implemented yet? Google has their own thing between Google users, Apple has their own iMessage-only thing, and they both drop crypto when you cross the streams because it isn't in the spec. And neither is practically auditable (allowing auditing is part of the spec btw - have you seen that UI?). And that's before even touching on the utterly massive amount of the spec that's clearly designed for businesses only, to send you highly customizable interactive UI. Which you can't use as a person. Or build your own app for. https://developers.google.com/business-communications/rcs-business-messaging https://developers.google.com/business-communications/rcs-bu... / https://rcsforbusiness.google/ https://rcsforbusiness.google/ It just does not smell good. It's not in our best interests to let it win.
  • garciansmith 5mo ago
    Other people have noted that you can switch out the keyboard and SMS app (which I did). My single (minor) issue with GrapheneOS is the adaptive screen brightness. On the stock Android OS on a Pixel I'd mess around with the sliders for a week or two on a new phone and then it learned what I liked. Now it has a few set values, one of which is always too dim for me in darker conditions so I have to mess with the slider each and every time. I don't believe there's a way of fixing that. Other than that I'm glad I switched, especially when I read about new "features" they add that I know I'd hate.
  • hiitsmyaccount 5mo ago
    I use GBoard on GrapheneOS. I just deny it network permission so it can't phone home.
    • Markoff 5mo ago
      I do usually this, but recently on older phone (using it temporarily while I buy new) I had to reinstall it and found out, it didn't provide any word suggestions for ant language other than English and even gesture input for other languages didn't work, so at least during initial setup it must have (now?) internet connection most likely to download dictionaries (I thought they used to be included in past, never noticed this before), after allowing the connection, setting up and then disabling the connection, it works fine
    • Walf 5mo ago
      I used to do this but I found it downloads needed language files in the background. So every time it updated, I would clear all the app data, open it again on something innocuous, like a text file, toggle each language I used. Not knowing how long it would take, I'd wait until each seemed to be behaving, then disable network permission. I still don't trust that it doesn't send data off via Play Services. Now I use Heliboard with the swiping library added. It's not perfect, but has improved, and at least it can give more than three correction options (long–press centre suggestion with ellipsis below). I really miss Keymonk — two–finger swiping, accurate, and no crap.
  • dopidopHN2 5mo ago
    You should consider using signal as texting app?
  • teekert 5mo ago
    You shall engage more with your apps, user!
• mvdtnz 5mo ago
  So I still need to buy a Google phone to get it? No thank you.
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    To get a sense of the project and its goals I recommend reading this post[1]. Buying a used Pixel is economical, environmental, and likely doesn't support Google. Pixels are the only secure and open android devices that could work for the project and meet the extensive requirements[2]. This is because GrapheneOS takes real steps to protect user privacy and security, not features that degrade security and don't increase privacy. You are going to be doing much more against Google by using GrapheneOS because it comes with 0 google services by default and takes advanced steps to protect you from all apps and services you install. If you are still not willing or able to purchase a Pixel, GrapheneOS has a partnership with Motorola to help them create compatible devices which will be available soon[3]. [1] Privacy and security on computing devices need to become far stronger to protect people from pervasive violations of their rights. https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2044440381803069778#m https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2044440381803069778#m [2] https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices [3] https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2028448871374803007#m https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2028448871374803007#m
    • mvdtnz 5mo ago
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      • kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5mo ago
        > The Pixel was never sold in my country Okay, see, that's an important thing to add to your original post. Saves everyone a lot of time. If they don't sell them in your country, it's not "no thank you" as you said, it's "this doesn't apply to me".
        • mvdtnz 5mo ago
          I don't see how it's relevant. I couldn't possibly have made it any more clear I would not buy a Google device, new or used, because I don't like Google.
• jordand 5mo ago
  I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.
  • sivers 5mo ago
    Ha! Me too! Exact same. Bought a Pixel 10. Intended to do the default Android for a while. But it was filled with ads for “Wicked” which had me looking at my phone with a sneer on my face I couldn't erase - as if someone had smeared feces all over it and threw it on my bed. So I jumped straight to GrapheneOS, which was way easier and less extreme than I had been warned. So beautifully minimal, with no crap. Now my phone feels like a simple Linux (Void/Arch) PC. So wonderful.
    • jordand 5mo ago
      We took control, we're keeping control
      • joe_mamba 5mo ago
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        • cluckindan 5mo ago
          There is no FOSS modem. The baseband is a separate computer operating on a lower level than the OS. Your provider can run arbitrary code there.
          • opan 5mo ago
            I thought the PinePhone community had succeeded in making custom firmware for the modem in the PinePhone, though I'm not sure of the legality of actually using it. Plus both PinePhone and Librem 5 had a killswitch to disconnect the modem at least.
• lucb1e 5mo ago
  The post doesn't say - what's new? Anything to look forward to besides the security patches for A17 being available for longer than they will be for A16? Asking as an A11 user who will probably soon need to switch to a new device. I haven't noticed anything on other people's phones that isn't available on mine, including on my work phone that runs an up-to-date GrapheneOS (but I don't need to do much more than calling and 2FA, so I might just not be seeing it). Anything you guys are excited for, or any protips of things to check out that were released recently?
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    Desktop mode is new and exciting. This should have the full list; it's not a ton of changes, which speaks to how perfected Android has become. https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17.html https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17...
    • jayd16 5mo ago
      New garbage collector could be pretty big.
      • microtonal 5mo ago
        But some of the garbage collector changes are also rolling out to older Android versions through a Play System Update. https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17.html?m=1 https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17... I'm not sure though if GrapheneOS gets mainline modules at all (most likely not).
    • lucb1e 5mo ago
      Ah, right I forgot they are discontinuing ChromeOS. Makes sense that current Android releases are focused on getting the Android laptop experience on par Edit: not discontinued but 'merge with Android' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChromeOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChromeOS
  • em3rgent0rdr 5mo ago
• lifeisgood99 5mo ago
  What are North American people doing for replacing contactless payment? Last time I checked, the solution was to use Curve but it only works for Europe.
  • OsrsNeedsf2P 5mo ago
    Putting my credit card in my phone case
  • carlmr 5mo ago
    Garmin pay if you're ok with Garmin is one possibility.
    • wolvoleo 5mo ago
      They have an app for Android that can do NFC? I thought it was only for their watches. Thanks!
      • aaravchen 4mo ago
        It is just for thier wearables.
    • lucb1e 5mo ago
      It's even available in my country! Never heard of it, would have assumed it's not being sold here. Let's see what that costs when I click the "shop now" button that's front and center > Attention required! > Sorry, you have been blocked > The action you just performed triggered the security solution. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. Thanks cloudflare *handshake* garmin. I suppose I'll stay with chip and pin for now
    • mendelmaleh 5mo ago
      They don't support amex or capital one, the two I use the most...
  • mrbluecoat 5mo ago
• iririririr 5mo ago
  permanent reminder that graphene and all other "alternatives to android" depend on extracted binary blobs. tons of them. which is the reason new (kernel) versions are such a chore/achievement.
  • strcat 5mo ago
    The kernel drivers are fully open source and moving to new kernel branches is a standard part of the update process. Pixels are currently moving from 6.1 and 6.6 to 6.12 with Android 17 QPR2. This is part of the hardware requirements for GrapheneOS listed here: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices
    • fsflover 5mo ago
      Are you saying that GraphebneOS running on Google Pixels has no proprietary blobs apart from the firmware?
      • strcat 5mo ago
        No, but all of the kernel drivers are open source and always were. The closed source userspace libraries such as the Mali GPU library aren't a barrier to porting to a new kernel version which is what was said above. We could move to 6.12 ourselves but we choose to wait for them for much broader testing which is happening with Android 17 QPR2.
        • fsflover 5mo ago
          Is there a list of the drivers and closed libraries somewhere?
          • strcat 5mo ago
            The kernel drivers are all published in the GrapheneOS kernel repositories. A subset of the libraries/services in the vendor partition used with those drivers are closed source. Pixels were headed towards all of the device support code for the OS being open source along with open sourcing large portions of the firmware including for the TEE (Trusty OS) and secure element (OpenTitan). It was ended after the launch of Android 16. It's a major factor in why GrapheneOS is going to be focused on future Motorola Mobility devices. You can still see a large portion of the Pixel userspace driver libraries and services in the AOSP source tree but they stopped pushing new releases for a lot of it.
• arikrahman 5mo ago
  Couldn't be happier using this on an old Nord Oneplus N10. Had to look around since it was out of date but thankfully they have archived builds.
• theandrewbailey 5mo ago
  > We've already tested the Android 17 port of GrapheneOS on the Pixel 6a, 7, 7a, 8, 10a, 10 and 10 Pro Fold. No love for 9 or 9a? I guess it's still coming eventually. - A 9a owner running GrapheneOS
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116761945417419946 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116761945417419946 >Those are just the devices we initially tested it on which mainly has to do with which devices were available to the people working on the port. >To clarify the 2nd paragraph, we've ported GrapheneOS to Android 17 for all of the supported devices. That's a list of the devices we already built and tested it. Our initial public release will be available for all the supported devices and we'll have tested it on each by then.
• Cider9986 5mo ago
  I've been thinking it might be worthwhile to showcase that you can make GrapheneOS look beautiful or the same as stock Pixel UI. When I was considering switching from iPhone I had this misconception that it would look ugly or wouldn't look the same as Pixel UI, which is not the case at all. When I asked about it I wasn't given this clearcut answer that you can make GrapheneOS UI look the same or better than Pixel UI.
  • ebbi 5mo ago
    How much flexibility is there in changing appearance? As an iPhone user, I really like what Oppo is doing with their ColorOS: https://www.oppo.com/nz/coloros16/ https://www.oppo.com/nz/coloros16/
    • Cider9986 5mo ago
      Wow that looks nice. I don't think you can get that. You can change any apps to different apps meaning the keyboard, homescreen/launcher, messaging app. The launcher is a primary UI thing which is different from iOS and is totally customizable by just installing a new app. So you can change the look of anything that depends on an app, but stuff like the control center, lock screen, volume sliders, connectivity icons, notifications afaict can't be changed. https://niagaralauncher.com https://niagaralauncher.com is a cool looking launcher that I used to use. It's a little confusing but I'll say there's nothing ugly like the stock GOS apps that can't be changed and tha unchangeably UI elements match the Pixel UI. Here's a comparison which will show both the unchangable stuff like control center, but also the Pixel launcher, which you can swap out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwNicPJk4lY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwNicPJk4lY I switched from iPhone and once I installed good looking apps I really prefer the look to iOS because it's a lot faster and smoother.
      • ebbi 5mo ago
        Thanks! I've been contemplating trying out Graphene, but I really enjoy the user experience of iOS. But I feel like I should at least get acquainted with Graphene as the inevitable enshittification of iOS will occur.
• darkteflon 5mo ago
  ~Happy iPhone user for almost 20 (!) years. This has got me seriously thinking about picking up a Pixel.
  • Cub3 5mo ago
    I feel like you'd be taking on a lot of pain for no real benefits though?
    • portly 5mo ago
      I did this half a year ago and it was fine for me. One of the benefits is of course privacy. For instance, I noticed that ads get completely out of touch which proved to me that I'm being tracked less. Also never have that feeling anymore that my phone is spying on me.
      • 8fingerlouie 5mo ago
        Any iPhone user with a measure of privacy knowledge will experience the same. I'm using NextDNS for DNS level ad blocking as well as iOS built in tools, and I get ads for women's hygiene products (I'm male), travel, dining, server parts, cars, and everything in between. The main difference between Android and iOS is (or used to be?) that Android typically phones home with everything, frequently visited locations, calendar appointments, voice commands. On iOS most of that runs on-device. Siri voice to text/text to voice runs on device, various "ai" things in photos runs on-device, frequently visited locations are device local.
        • hellcow 5mo ago
          Apple still pushes ads to you. I can't recall how many times I saw ads in the App Store, and how many times they tried to push me into subscribing to whatever nonsense their executives' KPIs demanded (Apple Arcade+? News+? Music+?). No matter how many times I told Apple "No," they just kept pushing it. And now ads are coming to Apple Maps as well. GrapheneOS has zero ads in the OS and main services.
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• Ingon 5mo ago
  I've been running GrapheneOS for over an year now. Bought a Pixel 6a last year as a cheap way to test waters, but pretty soon I upgraded to discounted Pixel 9. It took a while to set the basics (coming from iPhone), and I'm still have a couple of stuff missing, but at this point don't intend to use anything else (for as long as possible). The biggest hurdles for me were - should I use separate profiles and how to get apps. Initially, I started with a separate profile for google stuff (like play store/services and apps downloaded from there, like Viber), but eventually I moved everything to the owner profile (and took a bit of a privacy and battery hit in the matter of convenience). Still, being able to control many app permissions, gives me a good state of mind that apps are not doing more then I expect. Just looked at what android 17 brings to the table and I'm mildly excited - especially improving performance and adding more permissions (like ACCESS_LOCAL_NETWORK)
  • handedness 5mo ago
    I made the same mistake after being burned by the PinePhone, buying a heavily discounted Pixel 6 to test various Android forks, which eventually included GrapheneOS. I quickly knew I'd found home upgraded to a 9 Pro XL.
  • Peacefulz 5mo ago
    I started rebuilding my phone from factory tonight, and I opted for the private profile partition inside of the main profile for my play store apps. It's accomplishing everything I wanted a fully separate profile to do without the hard switch.
• jp57 5mo ago
  What does it mean for an OS to be ported to another OS? Do they mean "ported to devices that support Android"?
  • tripdout 5mo ago
    Well, both, probably. GrapheneOS requires a lot of framework and device side changes.
  • GranPC 5mo ago
    It means they rebased all their changes on top of the new version. This is usually time-consuming because AOSP is not developed in the open, so you can't do this incrementally as things change -- you just get a massive drop sometime after release.
  • okanat 5mo ago
    Android makes yearly releases. It is developed in cathedral-style. Google releases the source as a single big update. GrapheneOS is a fork. They need to port their customizations and extra software on top of the new release.
    • microtonal 5mo ago
      Every six months, not yearly. Google releases the major version and QPR2 as part of AOSP. QPR1 and QPR3 are Pixel-only. Since they switched to QPRs and Pixel drops, major releases have become less important because feature roll out throughout the year. It's just that nobody outside GrapheneOS and Samsung (to my knowledge) rolls out QPR2, so for non-Pixel/Samsung, the major releases are... major. I think another major source of work for GrapheneOS is when Google releases QPR1 and QPR3, because GrapheneOS had to rebase the driver/firmware changes on top of QPR0/QPR2.
  • floxy 5mo ago
    Think of GrapheneOS as being a set of patches on top of the Android Open Source Project that Google releases: https://source.android.com/ https://source.android.com/ They've ported the patches to work on top of the latest release.
• seabombs 5mo ago
  I had been using LineageOS + microG for many years on my Pixel 3. I upgraded to a Pixel 8 and tried out GrapheneOS and the install experience was good, but I found some odd performance quirks - apps would be slow to install and run, downloads were slow, etc. Has anyone had similar issues? Many apps that work on microG don't work in GrapheneOS without installing Google services anyway. I'm by no means across the full privacy implications, but my feeling is microG balances privacy and usability better for me. I've since switched back to LineageOS+microG and am happy with it. Just my experience.
  • lucb1e 5mo ago
    A lot of developers are lured into building in a dependency on Google services, so yes you'll need microG or, as GrapheneOS prefers, the original Google code running on your device for those apps to function. Or patch the app, like Langis does for Signal (not necessary for it to function without Google in this case, but it removes its calling out to Google's apps and services for those who don't want that). If you're happy with that setup and don't need protect-from-the-government levels of security (street thugs aren't going to ransomware your device by abusing an unlocked bootloader or send exploit chains that work on anything but the hardened allocator), LineageOS is probably the better choice for you. GrapheneOS has some nice things like easily denying the network permission for an app (even if they could theoretically work around it with intents) and having a custom A-GNSS server, but you can do the same on LineageOS by using root and something like AFWall+ for the network and configuring Graphene's A-GNSS (SUPL) proxy in the system settings (don't forget to donate if you use it and are able)
    • gruez 5mo ago
      >but you can do the same on LineageOS by using root and something like AFWall+ for the network lineageos has built-in firewall for years now. no need for afwall.
    • HybridStatAnim8 5mo ago
      GrapheneOS is designed for everyone, including average users. It does not require a high threat model, and the features it provides are not only useful to people with high threat models. Contrary to popular belief, exploitation of vulnerable devices is a lot more common, and a lot easier than people pretend it is. You dont need to be targeted either, mass exploitation can, has, and will occur. LineageOS does not have privacy, security, or usability comparable to GrapheneOS. LineageOS is missing many important features and falls behind android updates. GrapheneOS will be the far better choice in all 3 of these categories. The features GrapheneOS provides, such as the network permission, cannot be replicated with a firewall app. The network permission properly covers all forms of network access for an app, where firewall apps do not have the ability to prevent all network communication. They are leaky. The AGNSS servers and proxies are very, very tiny aspects of what GrapheneOS provides. You would be losing out on many more high impact privacy, security, and usability features. Root access and an unlocked bootloader are insecure, even for low threat models. These devices are vulnerable and should not be used for any sensitive data. LineageOS is not the better choice for any privacy, security, or usability usecases relative to GrapheneOS.
• phreack 5mo ago
  That Motorola phone that lets you install Graphene can not come soon enough. Pixel phones are not sold worldwide so it feels like they're gatekeeping security. I know that's not the case really, but there's very few ways to successfully degoogle otherwise.
  • okanat 5mo ago
    AFAIK Motorola only lets certain geographical regions to unlock bootloader, not everywhere.
    • tom_alexander 5mo ago
      They're referring to the partnership between GrapheneOS and Motorola: https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/ https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at...
      • okanat 5mo ago
        I'm aware. However, it is quite possible that they will only sell Graphene phones in certain countries considering their past behavior.
        • tiagod 5mo ago
          They could also just sell the phones with GrapheneOS already, as the final state of a GrapheneOS instalation has a locked bootloader. I understand this is part of the reason only Pixel phones are supported - the ability to unlock, and then relock bootloader after install is seen as essential by their team, among other features and properties that only present together in the Pixel phones.
  • matheusmoreira 5mo ago
    > Pixel phones are not sold worldwide Still boggles my mind the fact Google doesn't sell their phones worldwide. Obtaining a Pixel has proven to be quite difficult for me.
• Lucasoato 5mo ago
  Since grapheneOS only supports latest Google pixel phones, I tried installing LineageOS on my Mi11. Sadly, if you own a Xiaomi, you can’t just install another os. You need to unlock the bootloader and Xiomi limits you with a global quota of daily unlocked phones, you basically need to enter at midnight and hope. This is a complete nonsense, we have zero governance on our devices after paying them so much.
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• MinimalAction 5mo ago
  Well, for some reason Pixel 9 series and also 10 pro is excluded?
  • dredmorbius 5mo ago
    <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48563154 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48563154>
• MinimalAction 5mo ago
  What's the biggest draw of GrapheneOS apart from de-googling? Does it have a better battery life? And compliance with NFC payments?
  • eipi10_hn 5mo ago
    It will depend on your banks/services. If those apps strictly implement Play Integrity API, you won't be able to use them on Graphene OS
  • mmooss 5mo ago
    Greatly improved privacy and security and end-user control of your phone and its data. In those areas, possibly the best option, though iPhones might be better in security (not necessarily the other two areas) - Apple has a slightly bigger budget and a few more engineers, and directly controls the hardware.
    • strcat 5mo ago
      GrapheneOS exists to greatly improve the privacy and security of an existing open source OS project. Android Open Source Project has good privacy and security as a starting point. Pixels provide strong hardware and firmware security. Pixels have made multiple significant hardware and firmware level improvements based on recommendations by GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS now has a hardware partnership with Motorola Mobility which includes working with Qualcomm. It isn't only a software project. Regularly leaked data on the capabilities of Cellebrite show they have the least success with GrapheneOS by far despite specifically hiring for it based on their job postings.
  • goda90 5mo ago
    If you actually degoogle, supposedly battery life is better but if you start adding back in sandboxed play services, you lose some of the gains.
  • llarsson 5mo ago
    The ability to sandbox Google Play Services (if you need it, but realistically, you probably do) and to simply not assign it more permissions than it absolutely needs is awesome. I run it with very restricted permissions, where it by default requests every single permission it can. In stock Android, it has all those, and you can't limit it. Just that is worth it for me.
• dopidopHN2 5mo ago
  Graphene made me like using a phone. It behave like a computer. Really lovely
  • preisschild 5mo ago
    I can say the same. Been using LineageOS and GrapheneOS for most of my life. Some things are not super convenient (I generally dont install non-free-software applications and don't have Google Play services enabled), but the rest of the experience is great. No crashes, no bugs, no unexpected behavior. Currently I'm using the Pixel 9 Pro XL. I can also recommend Gadgetbridge for BLE smartwatch integration.
• anonymousiam 5mo ago
  I took the plunge into GrapheneOS a week ago. I picked up a new Pixel10 Pro and never even tried the stock OS (except to unlock the boot loader). I've got almost everything working the way I want. There were a few non-essential banking apps that won't install. The most annoying problem I had is when I tried to install Strava, which I cannot get working. The app installs, but it will not let me sign in. I guess I need a replacement, because I use that app a lot.
  • binarin 5mo ago
    The most hilarious is McDonald's app - it refuses to work without Play Integrity check. I wonder what braindamaged reasoning is behind this. Do they want to position themselves as a bank or something?
    • domh 5mo ago
      Huh, it works just fine in the UK. Wonder if they have different builds (or completely different apps) for different regions. Or maybe it's the GrapheneOS compatibility layer that makes it work? Not sure.
      • pona-a 5mo ago
        Play Integrity has several levels. GrapheneOS MEETS_BASIC_INTEGRITY, which I believe only requires a locked bootloader and no superuser. There's also been some discussion of spoofing MEETS_DEVICE_INTEGRITY, since before Android 13 it didn't rely on a TPM, and many apps don't want to lock out older devices, but it's been decided against it [0]. [0] https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/1986 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/1986
        • anonymousiam 5mo ago
          I saw on the GrapheneOS forums that some people had managed to get it working, but I was unable to do so. My bootloader is locked, because I re-locked it after installing GrapheneOS. The app runs, but refuses to let me log in. I even tried (temporarily) using a browser to login, and let the browser switch to the app in the process. Nada. It's ridiculous that Google bills their "DEVICE INTEGRITY" initiative as a security feature, when GrapheneOS, which is a more secure platform, cannot use it.
• sergiotapia 5mo ago
  I own a z fold 6. If I try Graphene what do I lose? Similar to how if you use something like icefox or icewolf one of those very secure browser, lots of normie websites like banking just straight up don't work. What would I lose by moving away from samsung's default to this more private OS?
  • eipi10_hn 5mo ago
    You can't install Graphene OS on Samsung phones.
    • mmooss 5mo ago
      GOS won't install? It's blocked somehow? Or it's not officially supported?
      • microtonal 5mo ago
        It's not supported and you cannot unlock the bootloader most Samsung phones anymore (IIRC since OneUI 7).
      • poolnoodle 5mo ago
        It is only developed for Pixel phones
        • strcat 5mo ago
          It isn't only developed for Pixels. Pixels are currently the only devices permitting an alternate OS with the required updates and security features. GrapheneOS has a partnership with Motorola Mobility and there will be official GrapheneOS support for a subset of next generation Motorola devices.
          • poolnoodle 4mo ago
            So right now it is only developed for pixels (except for the not yet public Motorola builds)
• Bridgexapi 5mo ago
  I run GrapheneOS now 2 year :) always working fine
• veidr 5mo ago
  I have always wondered what this OS looks like. They have an incredibly detailed website with zero screenshots.
  • jesterson 5mo ago
    Perhaps screenshots and sleek UI is not their selling point (and it isn't).
    • fylo 5mo ago
      One mans sleek ui is another's trash fire
  • dredmorbius 5mo ago
    There are numerous video walkthroughs of GrapheneOS. This would be one starting point: <https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=aNgupWEV13M https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=aNgupWEV13M> Visually, it generally looks much like stock Android in terms of capabilities, though a stock install generally has far fewer apps installed.
    • dredmorbius 5mo ago
      Clarifying, a stock install of GrapheneOS has far fewer apps.
  • Itoldmyselfso 5mo ago
    It's valid question for people unfamiliar with the project, but it is the AOSP in terms of looks, GrapheneOS does not customize the UI in any way beyond what their own features require as additions. Note that Pixel OS is not AOSP. The default home app of course also influences the experience quite the bit unless you replace it, which is what I'd personally recommend everyone to do as it's so incredibly barebones. Lawnchair is already a big step up as an open source alternative.
  • drnick1 5mo ago
    It looks very plain (black background, monochrome icons, very few apps included). You can customize all that if you want. I personally quite like the default appearance, but I am also the kind of person who uses the default GNOME or KDE theme on Linux and does not bother with custom themes or anything beyond daily Bing wallpapers.
• aussieguy1234 5mo ago
  With Google making side loading extremely difficult soon, there's never been a better time to switch to a more secure OS for your phone. There are some apps I can't do without like ReThink DNS, NewPipe and other open source apps which I use regularly. All would get blocked under Googles new regime.
  • microtonal 5mo ago
    Rethink DNS is in the Play Store though: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.celzero.bravedns https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.celzero.br...
    • aussieguy1234 5mo ago
      Its there. Before rethink I used DNS66 which is similar. Only available on F-Droid. Occasionally, these play store versions of apps are heavily watered down. Termux is an example. Always get that from F-Droid, not the play store version.
• seany 5mo ago
  GrapheneOS would be so much more interesting if there was an official supported way for rooting it. That's the only reason I haven't switched to it on my several devices (all rooted)
  • drewfax 5mo ago
    That completely goes against what they're working towards. I understand why you would want to root your own phone, but GOS is targeting highest security standards and root ain't one of them (for good reason).
  • flexxxxxxxxxer 5mo ago
    But in that case why you would need to use GrapheneOS at all? Without security you cant have privacy and OS with security as priority cant just add hole in the system because it would allow to bypass all security features added on top of AOSP and AOSP features too. Most features people use root for can be achieved without root by modifying Android Framework itself with SystemUI/Settings app If you wish so you can gain root privileges on your own in your own build or with modifying GrapheneOS existing builds. It wont be compatible with GrapheneOS provided updates because of signature mismatch
  • preisschild 5mo ago
    They value privacy and security. Allowing userspace apps to completely circumvent Android's permission system massively weakens both.
  • fsflover 5mo ago
    If you value freedom to do what you want on your devices, then you may want to consider Librem 5 instead. It runs a desktop Debian derivative with full root access.
    • skorp01 5mo ago
      You have the ability to do what you want on your device. Root access in AOSP is just used as a hacky shortcut to achieving specific functionality. To do it properly while maintaining the security model would be to build it into the OS itself. The same concept applies to desktop platforms and the Librem 5. This isn't related to freedom. That device, and the Debian derivative it runs, are not private or secure.
• mmooss 5mo ago
  From Google's Android 17 release: > ... Android 17 expands the capabilities of AppFunctions, a platform API with a corresponding Jetpack library. It allows you to contribute your app's unique capabilities as orchestratable "tools" for Android MCP, the on-device equivalent of the Model Context Protocol. AI agents and assistants (like Google Gemini) can discover and execute AppFunctions to perform workflows on behalf of the user with direct access to the app's local state. Is that implemented in GOS? How is that done securely - giving LLMs power to control some apps?
• madduci 5mo ago
  I wish they supported much more phones
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  • flexxxxxxxxxer 5mo ago
    Only Google Pixel’s and Fairphone’s currently provide bare minimum for 3rd-party OS support: working verified boot with user-provided signing keys. None of the other phones doing that yet Fairphone cant be supported because it does not keep up with Android updates and in particular Linux kernel updates. Currently supported Fairphone’s have EOL (outdated, not supported) Linux kernel version. They are bad in terms of other aspects like lack of MTE, lack of USB port(s) control from software level on hardware level (Pixel 6 and newer have that), etc. You cant have privacy without security But in 2027 this may change due to Motorola and GrapheneOS partnership
    • strcat 5mo ago
      There are a lot of devices with the ability to install another OS and lock the device with verified boot, but none with the required updates and security features other than Pixels. Fairphones are near the bottom for security among the available options. It's not one of the main issues with their devices but Fairphone has had a lot of issues with verified boot including using publicly available sample private keys for signing firmware and OS images across multiple device generations. It's not a strength of their devices.
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• bigiain 5mo ago
  I have two questions, if anyone has any advice. 1) What's a reasonable Pixel phone to buy to try out GrapheneOS? Is a 128GB Pixel 7 "good enough" or will I get a significantly better experience with a newer phone and/or more storage? 2) Is there a Graphene alternative that would let me de-google an Samsung A12? Back in the day I had some Galaxy S3 and S4 phones that I installed Lineage on, I have no idea if that's compatible to Graphene and/or still a going thing?
  • silasdavis 5mo ago
    1) I'm typing this in a pixel 7 pro running grapheneos. I'd say these are plenty good enough. Device support is pretty solid compared to cyanogenmod of previous times. App installation is a bit slow using sandboxed play store. Not sure why that is.
    • strcat 5mo ago
      For security reasons, GrapheneOS uses ahead-of-time compilation for apps. The stock OS compiles the heavily used parts of the code dynamically in-memory and then does partial ahead-of-time compilation later in the background. The install-time compilation will become more asynchronous in the future so the app can be used right away.
  • floreen 5mo ago
    I would suggest Pixel 8 series or later, since they get 7 years (instead of 5) of updates, which is also decisive for Graphene support duration.
  • atollk 5mo ago
    Any phone that is good enough with stock Android for your case is good enough with Graphene. If you really just want to try it out, it's the cheapest old Pixel *a you can find. Checking which phones are supported by Lineage and Graphene can be done by everyone in a matter of minutes.
  • pomian 5mo ago
    We Have been successfully using graphene on a pixel 4 plus, 5 plus and a 6pro. They all work. Very well. They were cheap to buy. Super easy to install graphene (remember they have a very easy stepu by step process, takes about 10 minutes) It's a good way to test and see if you like it. Truly amazing operating system. Simple and beautiful control of your apps and their behaviors.
• lanycrost 5mo ago
  I have tried ubuntu on mobile only once and never come back, because it had very bad and poor experience compared to native experience of that mobile. On which models this system works the best?
  • strcat 5mo ago
    GrapheneOS is highly usable and compatible with nearly all Android apps. It has a similar experience to a mainstream Android OS if you choose to set it up that way such as using sandboxed Google Play in the main profile (which does not ruin what it provides at all, it's a perfectly valid setup). The purpose of GrapheneOS is to provide far better privacy and security than the Android Open Source Project (AOSP). AOSP is a lot more private and secure than a traditional desktop OS including one ported to mobile. See https://grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices for the device recommendations. There are going to be Motorola devices with GrapheneOS support within a year too.
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• dmos62 5mo ago
  Makes me sad, because I can't make the jump until I know my banking and related essential apps will work.
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  • strcat 5mo ago
    See https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa... for banking apps. Anything that's not a banking or government app is extremely likely to work. Very few other apps ban using a non-Google-certified OS and that's the only significant reason for incompatibilities. GrapheneOS has a per-app exploit protection compatibility mode to work around memory corruption bugs caught by the features. It's in the process of overhauling the secure spawning feature to avoid tripping rare anti-tampering measures in certain banking apps. Play Integrity is increasingly the only compatibility issue. Some apps using Play Integrity have explicitly permitted GrapheneOS though.
  • StrLght 5mo ago
    In terms of apps, I fully believe it will only get worse from here: Google’s trajectory has been pretty hostile, and third‑party developers tend to follow it. That’s why I have two phones. One runs GrapheneOS and is my daily driver; the other (considerably less private and secure) stays at home connected to my server so I can always scrcpy into it.
    • heyheyhouhou 5mo ago
      I had the same idea in mind, would you mind sharing how you do it? I also use 2 phones, GrapheneOS as my daily, another phone at home just with banking stuff and some other crappy apps. Few questions if you dont mind answering: - do you have to keep the phone screen switched on? - Do you access via VNC? - Can you access it from another phone? is it usable? Thanks!
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• konstmonst 5mo ago
  A pity that GrapheneOS works only on Pixel and those phones are trash for me (no microsd support). I have a 1.5 tb microsd card with all media/books and it is easy to move to another phone by just swapping the microsd card so this is one of the most important features for me.
  • preisschild 5mo ago
    Do you not encrypt the microSD card?
• netfortius 5mo ago
  Been toying with the idea for a long time, but I'm concerned about US financial institution apps and multiple countries specific apps (local transport, finance, medical and governmental), whose apks do no exist, as well as (crucial for me, as a heavy international traveler) google voice. For a lot such I now need to use a combo of Google playstore, for US account tied apps, and Aurora for non US apps.
  • drnick1 5mo ago
    You will find that a lot of banks and other companies have old fashioned websites that open work better (and more privately) than apps. Even Google Voice should be usable through its website. However what is usually recommended by the Graphene community is to call or text via Signal instead.
    • aaravchen 4mo ago
      As a long time Graphene OS user, I can tell you they don't. Almost no banks or credit card companies have a decent website even, let alone one that can replace thier apps. So far I've yet to encounter any that have passkeys that could speed up the login process, and by using the website you've now fallen back to thier most involved login. You will have to login, then usually answer some security questions or complete a capture, then get the SMS code they sent you. Every time. For async notifications, some banks support emailing or texting you, but it tends to be poor. Hopefully you don't have one of the credit cards like Citi or Amex, which require you to verify flagged purchases via thier app. Otherwise it's a 10+ minute process to do it via phone call, and you have to guess that's why the transaction didn't go thru, call them yourself, get it approved, and try again. Instead of just clicking "yes, that's me" in the app when they prompt you about fraud. And if you click it fast enough, the original transaction might not even get rejected. So no, the banking websites are not at all good substitute. And it's especially bad for certain banks.
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  • _def 5mo ago
    Any examples?
    • strcat 5mo ago
      Here's an example of what they're responding to with inaccurate personal attacks: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171 GrapheneOS posts factual information debunking inaccurate claims from groups attacking it. Some of those groups react to their misleading claims being addressed with personal attacks. Threads about GrapheneOS on Hacker News usually have multiple posts with personal attacks towards our team from people influenced by those groups.
      • oceanhaiyang 4mo ago
        The head dev consistently gets upset and threatens people via mastodon rants. Just because the team has attempted to quiet their bad PR doesn’t mean it hasn’t and doesn’t happen. Your example is not as unhinged as what I’m referring to.
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      • strcat 5mo ago
        > GrapheneOS is security before anything else. GrapheneOS is a privacy project highly focused on usability and compatibility. Privacy depends on security so it has to put a lot of work into security too and it has always been a major focus, but it's a misconception that it's all about security. > This means they strongly advice against using other software many in their core audience are predisposed to like: Firefox, Signal, plugins for browsers, F-Droid, ect. GrapheneOS doesn't recommend against Signal but rather it's the main recommendation for end-to-end encrypted chat from the project including via the Molly fork of Signal. > The explanations are usually quite... blunt, and they're not exactly open for discussion (which makes sense, from a pure security perspective, those apps are indefensible). This isn't true. GrapheneOS provides nuanced information with detailed explanations for these topics.
• gck1 5mo ago
  I was using GrapheneOS for years, until the battery died while I was on an important call, trying to get someplace. Plugged it in, but little did I remember that I had installed OS update that was pending app optimization phase that happens during next boot. GrapheneOS has some hardening in this phase, which as I understand, essentially has to rebuild all apps without cache. And as I have a ton of apps, I was parked for 30 minutes waiting my phone to boot up. And because of this app optimization thing, I always delayed OS update finalizations, which probably isn't the best thing. Unfortunately, GrapheneOS recommendation to this was to have fewer apps. Had to let it go after that.
  • Milpotel 5mo ago
    > GrapheneOS recommendation to this was to have fewer apps Sounds reasonable. People tend to install way too many apps on their phones and than blame the phone about short battery life or too many notifications.
    • gck1 5mo ago
      Having many apps will not affect battery life on Android in any meaningful way. Actively using them will. Apps can't just sit there and run in background, unless you explicitly gave them that permission. Android also takes permissions away from apps after they haven't been used in a while anyway. So most of the battery consumption will be from the apps that you actively need and use. Android's battery usage screen backs this up. The metro app I installed when I was on a trip in Istanbul is still on my phone, but it's dormant. Yes, I should definitely uninstall it, but I really can't be bothered to do this all the time. On stock Android, phone takes care of this for me. On GrapheneOS, either I take that responsibility or face the consequences - which I don't really want.
      • Milpotel 5mo ago
        I don't trust the battery usage screen. When I debloated my phone, battery life increased from 1,5 days to 5 days and those were all apps I don't use.
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• maelito 5mo ago
  But the we need a compact high-end phone for this.
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    From two months ago: In the USA, I think most people can easily afford a Pixel 9a at $56/year of device support starting from today. Calculator checks yearly cost based on device support: (https://ibb.co/xq82YQCw https://ibb.co/xq82YQCw) Sources for device lifetime from calculator: (https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-lifetime https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-lifetime) I used a New+Unlocked+Pixel+X on eBay to find a rough price of the phone. Most people get scammed by their carrier and pay $25-45 per month just for their wireless subscription, and many more get caught up in the device bundles which gets you the "latest and greatest", at a huge price. So people are paying, per month, what you can pay, per year for a Pixel.
    • maelito 4mo ago
      It's quite a big phone compared to the S10e.
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• cavoirom 5mo ago
  If you are new to GrapheneOS and wanna try. Here is the great introduction: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2025-01-12-intro-to-grapheneos.html https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2025-01-12-intro-to-grapheneos...
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    That looks like a good intro! And they accept XMR donations, so instant credibility boost.
• SchwKatze 5mo ago
  Does it means that any device that supports android 17 will support graphene as well?
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    No, only devices meeting the hardware requirements will be supported and it's a lot of manual work per device for them to support a device. Reqs: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices Currently that means modern pixels and the next generation Motorola flagships once they come out.
• ramaseshanms 5mo ago
  Been waiting for this for so long. Huge respect to the team for pulling this off.
• tcfhgj 5mo ago
  Sadly not an option as long they don't support Fairphones
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    I don't think that fairphone is interested in privsec so it will never be supported.
    • tcfhgj 5mo ago
      them supporting e/OS suggests otherwise
      • Cider9986 5mo ago
        It seems to me that /e/ is opposed to privacy and security. https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2066908368560656652#m https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2066908368560656652#m
        • tcfhgj 5mo ago
          It's interesting how you are able to conclude that. e/OS is clearly a step up from default Android
          • Cider9986 5mo ago
            Insinuating that real privacy /security is for pedophiles and criminals is primarily what supports my conclusion. It doesn't matter what your marketing says, what's important is what your devices do, and /e/ is much less secure or private than iOS. Attacking GrapheneOS which makes real progress at privsec. Thinking that badness enumeration is effective for improving privacy while ignoring real solutions like improving the app sandbox and adding more permissions. Adding Google services and giving them extra privileges. GrapheneOS ships with zero Google services by default. https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2040887784253141142#m https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2040887784253141142#m
• ikurei 5mo ago
  Jumped to GrapheneOS a few months ago. Works great. The keyboard was bad but you should install FUTO, as some other comments recommend. My only issue with it has been a few apps not working correctly, and not the ones I expected. I did my research before hand and knew that my banking apps would work, thinking those would be the main challenge. Turns out the bike-sharing system in my city, Madrid, won't work. I ended up installing Google Play services (that run sandboxed in Graphene, but still wanted to avoid), and it works sometimes, but mostly doesn't. I use these bikes a few times a week, so this is a major hassle, and I end up carrying my ancient iPhone with me sometimes just for this. This and Trade Republic have been my only two problems. Happy otherwise, but do your research before switching, and don't assume only the apps you expect to be problematic will be.
  • mycall 5mo ago
    Why don't you connect with the makers of Madrid and see what they can do about it? That is sometimes the best way to fix these types of incompatibilities.
• NoImmatureAdHom 5mo ago
  GrapheneOS is fantastic If you'd like to donate to the project, you can do so here: https://grapheneos.org/donate https://grapheneos.org/donate
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• masonwan 5mo ago
  That's exactpy why I get Google Pixel phones. Support expires? Upgrade to custom ROM Ads? Upgrade to custom ROM Want to use it as server? Upgrade to custom ROM. If I would use Apple iPhone, these old phones would be trash very soon.
  • MikeKusold 5mo ago
    The iPhone 11 was released almost 7 years ago and is still supported by the latest iOS. For context, that would put it at the same release as Pixel 3 or Pixel 4. Those devices stopped receiving updates in 2022-2023.
    • akimbostrawman 5mo ago
      That is not relevant for pixels at and above 7.they all have guaranteed 7 years of security updates, which is longer than iphones 5 years.
• QuantumGood 5mo ago
  Also on the homepage: "Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48571526
• a96 5mo ago
  https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17.html https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/06/Android-17... > With deep integration between hardware, software and AI, we’re transforming Android from an operating system to an intelligence system. I didn't see any comments on the "ai" features. Are they coming along to GOS or AOSP or staying out and how does that affect Graphene in particular?
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    No, the Ai features come from Google apps and services that you can manually install. Grapheneos doesn't ship with any Google services. That change doesn't negatively affect your privacy it's simply a feature that apps can take advantage of in order to have ai be useful. Similar to the share feature where you can send links or files to other apps. Of course on many operating systems it's not optional because they add ai as system apps, but gos does not do that.
• koziserek 5mo ago
  ehh I'd happily pay to get Graphene on my Wacom Movinkpad Pro 14...
  • Cider9986 5mo ago
    It does not support the requirements so no amount of money could get it running on that specific device. You'd need a completely different device. Requirements: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices
• cromka 4mo ago
  the only problem I have with grapheneos is that it doesn't support E911 or the equivalent European standard https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/1174 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/1174 Because somehow this is also a privacy issue. They're really taking this a step too far with making life-saving decisions on behalf of the user: if you call 911/112, you HAVE a reason to do so. If you somehow need to NOT share your location, it could let you OPT OUT.