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The part in the flow where you select between allowing app installs for 7 days or forever is a glimpse into the future. That toggle shows the thought process th
by tavavex 7mo ago
The part in the flow where you select between allowing app installs for 7 days or forever is a glimpse into the future. That toggle shows the thought process that's going on at Google.
I can bet that a few versions down the line, the "Not recommended" option of allowing installs indefinitely will become so not recommended that they'll remove it outright. Then shrink the 7 day window to 3 days or less. Or only give users one allowed attempt at installing an app, after which it's another 24 hour waiting period for you. Then ask the user to verify themselves as a developer if they want to install whatever they want. Whatever helps them turn people away from alternatives and shrink the odds of someone dislodging their monopoly, they will do. Anything to drive people to Google Play only.
- wlesieutre 7mo agoPay verification fee to continue
- observationist 7mo ago>"PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN TO CONTINUE"
- andai 7mo agoContext: https://files.catbox.moe/eqg0b2.png https://files.catbox.moe/eqg0b2.png I think they later made a Black Mirror episode along these lines. "Resume viewing... Resume viewing..."
- userbinator 7mo agoThat meme was 13 years ago.
- matheusmoreira 7mo agoFiften Million Merits. The one where advertisers literally torture a man with loud high pitched noises because he refused to view ads and didn't have enough money to skip them.
- jacquesm 7mo agoEvery one of BM's episodes is extremely good. Fifty Million Merits has so many parts that show precisely how evil technology can be.
- matheusmoreira 7mo agoCommon People is utterly terrifying. Woman falls into a coma, so startup uploads her mind to the cloud so it can stream her mind back to her. Then they start to enshittify the poor woman's life. Can't even sleep because they're using her brain as a CPU. She gets mercy killed while blurting out ads for antidepressants to the person doing it. Metalhead is also among my favorites. Those kill bots put Skynet to shame.
- dns_snek 7mo agoI think the last 2(?) seasons lost the essence of what made Black Mirror great but the older ones are excellent. Older episodes often felt directly applicable to the evils of technology we use today but these newer ones seem to be more generic Sci-Fi, season 6 didn't feel like Black Mirror at all to me.
- jacquesm 7mo agoI haven't actually watched the last two seasons yet but the first ones are amongst the best stuff I've ever watched on a screen. So thank you for the heads up.
- tom1337 7mo agoso Apple then? They require you to pay the $99 yearly fee to sideload for more than 7 days
- rezonant 7mo agoWhich increases the limit to whatever time is left on your current payment period. After which the app will stop working and need to be reinstalled by an authenticated developer who has a current Apple Developer Subscription. EDIT: Edited the above which previously said 90 days incorrectly. Not sure where my brain pulled that from but I posted the correct details here prior: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45743615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45743615 Notably if you install a month before your subscription expires you need to reinstall the app in 1 month.
- tom1337 7mo ago> Which increases the limit to 90 days It increases to 365 days, no? At least thats the longest I can sign my app and I use a personal but paid Apple Developer Account
- rezonant 7mo agoOops yes you're correct. Edited post and put a note about the correction and a link to my previous post describing the correct details. But it's only 365 days if you install the app on day 1 of your $99 subscription period.
- GeekyBear 7mo agoApple was clear that they were offering the safety of a walled garden from the start. Apple didn't lie about supporting a user's freedom to run anything they like, only to execute a rug pull after they successfully drove the other open options out of the marketplace.
- supern0va 7mo agoIf Google actually takes away the ability to run unsigned code, my next phone will be an iPhone. And I rarely even run unsigned code. Honestly, it might finally result in me fully exiting the Google ecosystem.
- wswin 7mo agowhat's your solution to combat scammers?
- RobotToaster 7mo ago'Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.' - Benjamin Franklin
- fluidcruft 7mo ago'essential' means can't be bothered to wait 24 hours (once)?
- pie_flavor 7mo ago[flagged]
- parrellel 7mo agoI suppose the question is, who is actually willing to believe Google is going to deal in Good Faith. Why would anyone ever even begin to think that?
- pie_flavor 7mo ago[flagged]
- parrellel 7mo agoAlex Jones is a bit much, yathink? They're an amoral monopolistic megacorp that should have been broken up a year ago. They are performing the ritual of maximalist offensive position -> half-hearted walk back to a worse status quo. Is the problem they claim to want to solve real? Maybe. I haven't seen a convincing breakdown that doesn't lump a lot of unrelated fraud in the unvetted APK bucket. That's beside the point though. No one should applaud this utterly predictable and disgusting behavior. I don't accept it when Unity does it. I don't accept it when Hasbro does it. I won't accept it here either.
- schubidubiduba 7mo agoGoogle has a fetish for controlling what I can install because they earn money by sitting on the brdige between me and the app developer. That is not a conspiracy theory like you try to portray it. That is basic economics.
- b00ty4breakfast 7mo agoI see a bull charging full-sprint at me, I'm not going to sit here and consider whether he's merely reacting to a loud noise or if he's actively trying to gore me to death. Incidentally limiting user freedom is indistinguishable from purposefully limiting user freedom.
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- stavros 7mo agoI hope the EU cracks down on them like they did with Apple.
- matheusmoreira 7mo agoMerely regulating them isn't enough. The world needs to start enforcing antitrust laws. If we don't break up all these big tech companies, our future will be a technofeudalist cyberpunk dystopia.
- deaux 7mo agoWe haven't broken up all these big tech companies, and we are living in a technofeudalist cyberpunk dystopia.
- still_grokking 7mo agoThat escalated quickly. I think that's actually true. But what does it mean, what's the way forward?
- fsflover 7mo agoSupport eff.org, edri.org.
- stavros 7mo agoEDRi and NOYB are doing fantastic work.
- account42 7mo agoThe way things are going, the same way as things have gotten better historically: at the cost of lots of blood.
- alpineidyll3 7mo agoHonestly many people (including myself) still have the ability to unplug from this stuff, and so I think it's time to do that.
- lelandfe 7mo agoAn actual example of this lives in the Gmail iOS app. Click a link in an email and every x days, a sheet appears: https://imgur.com/a/nlGS4Yk https://imgur.com/a/nlGS4Yk 1. Chrome 2. Google 3. Default browser app (w/unfamiliar generic logo) They removed the option for Safari some time in the last two years; here's how it looked in 2024: https://imgur.com/1iBVFfc https://imgur.com/1iBVFfc And the cherry on top of dark UX patterns: an unchecked toggle rests at the bottom. "Ask me which app to use every time." You cannot stop getting these.
- kowbell 7mo agoI was so mad when they removed the fourth option. I can't remember which one was which, but one meant "open in a webview inside this app" and the other was "open in a new tab in your default browser". It was still terrible UX but I liked at least having that choice.
- vachina 7mo agoWhy are you even using the Gmail as your mail app?
- al_borland 7mo agoThe switching cost on a 20+ year old email address is high. It’s basically impossible to totally migrate away from. On top of that, since Google does their own thing, it doesn’t fit well into standard IMAP that most clients use. Sparrow made Gmail a great experience, but Google bought it and shut it down. I’m still rather bitter about that. It’s the only email client that actually made me enjoy email.
- asutekku 7mo agoSpark is a good replacement for Sparrow.
- al_borland 7mo agoI just checked out a video. I don’t think it’ll do it for me. What I liked about Sparrow is it made email feel more like Messages or Twitter. Going back and forth in email didn’t feel so formal. I didn’t see that in Spark. They also seem to be leaning really hard into AI, which is a bit of a turn off.