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Juggalo makeup blocks facial recognition technology (2019)
- adamsmark 8mo agoWhoop! Whoop! Need to disappear? Just go to the Gathering and find your new family. Pay for protection with Faygo.
- pgporada 8mo agoWhoop whoop
- schmeichel 8mo agoWhere my Juggalos at??
- NickC25 8mo ago1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, sitting behind the resolute desk. That person wears more makeup than some of the performers on RuPaul's Drag Race.
- TurdF3rguson 8mo agoNow I'm thinking Juggalo makeup would have kept a lot of Jan 6 rioters out of the pokey. And it would have really spiced up that riot, if I'm being honest.
- nathan_compton 8mo agoDon't sully the good name of Juggalos this way.
- garciansmith 8mo ago"By the time Presidents Jay and Dope were elected, western civilization had officially fucked itself over forever, and I think everyone knew it." https://homestuck.com/006765 https://homestuck.com/006765
- 1-more 8mo agoDetroit rap rock neatly broke along the prevailing political tendencies in the US 1. Kid Rock is the MAGA candidate. This makes sense: he was the scion the owner of many car dealerships and grew up in a house with an apple orchard and a horse stable but claims to be salt of the earth focused on kitchen table issues and also endless moneyed personal delight. Great article on the 2023 NADA convention, btw: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/rich-republicans-party-car-dealers-2024-desantis.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/rich-republicans... 2. Juggalos went lumpenprole left. Bad optics, problematic past statements, ultimately proudly unsophisticatedly populist 3. Eminem made "awfully hot coffee pot" and Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann went apeshit for it. MSNBC lib.
- _doctor_love 8mo agoI'm not sure if I totally agree but this is an amazing breakdown.
- 1-more 8mo agoThe thing about Eminem is that I would have just as easily lumped him in with South Park Man-bear-pig style "actually it's square to care about politics" but "awfully hot coffee pot" having already made "Mosh" put it over the edge.
- soopypoos 8mo agoI wonder if I'm more likely to get denied entry wearing juggalo face or classic camo paint
- QuantumNomad_ 8mo agoDepends. Are you attending an ICP concert, or a military reenactment convention, or something else entirely?
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- _doctor_love 8mo agoIf it's the gathering, then all of the above is more or less true.
- newcool1230 8mo agoFamily gathering
- zdp7 8mo agoYou would want to test the camo. I suspect there is more than just changing ones appearance. I believe I've seen a story talking about not needing to see the entire face. You can still id people wearing neck gaiters and other face coverings if you can make out the facial contour. I think you needed about a third of the face uncovered. https://hyperverge.co/blog/masked-face-recognition/ https://hyperverge.co/blog/masked-face-recognition/ Edit found a link pretty fast.
- hallway_monitor 8mo agoPretty sure gait analysis is as good as facial recognition. Maybe wearing shoes with weird heights would confuse it
- MoonWalk 8mo agoOr put a tack in the bottom of your foot so walking is painful as hell.
- bigfishrunning 8mo agoMiracles all around us
- Forgeties79 8mo agoYou could throw on the SNL skit or the real video and frankly I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference
- 1-more 8mo agoHere's the thing about "fucking magnets; how do they work?" How do magnets work? No less a science communicator than Richard Feynman—he of the rubber sheet gravity spacetime analogy—had no analogy to communicate why ferromagnetism creates attraction and repulsion. Here's his incredibly shaggy dog non-answer to the question about how magnets work wherein he says that there are no pat answers to "why" questions. He gets to the money line: "I cannot explain that attraction in terms of anything else that's familiar to you" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8 So I will defend that line in the song. I will only accept answers from people who can explain why ferromagnetism works to me assuming I know how electromagnets create magnetic fields.
- mikrl 8mo agoAnd I don’t wanna talk to a scientist Y’all MFs unable to address the replication crisis, and getting me pissed
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- refulgentis 8mo agoClickbait, it’s a couple tweets microwaved and the 3rd paragraph is “well, except for modern facial recognition”
- everdrive 8mo agoThis feels like the real-life equivalent of that old Family Guy joke where Peter is with a squad of dudes in Vietnam but is dressed like a clown. He says something to the effect of "You guys are stupid. They're going to be looking for army guys." Outside of the absurdity of the situation, the joke is that the guy dressed as a clown obviously stands out even more. Juggalo makeup might block some facial recognition tech, but you also paint a huge target on yourself.
- fer 8mo ago>covering features impacts accuracy of feature-based classifiers More new at 9. Plus it's from 2019.
- Findecanor 8mo ago(2019) ... but sadly increasingly relevant.
- ChrisMarshallNY 8mo agoI guess LiveNation won't be running ICP concerts, then...
- world2vec 8mo agoThey'll just charge an additional makeup fee...
- echelon_musk 8mo agoShamelessly hijacking this story to recommend The Private Eye digital comic [0]. Set in a future where everyone has normalised the wearing of masks in public to preserve their anonymity. The protagonist refuses to get a driving license because he wouldn't want a photo of himself in a database. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Eye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Eye
- GinsengJar 8mo agoYou got any other comics to recommend in this style/genre? Cyberpunk, dystopia, etc
- autoexec 8mo agoTransmetropolitan was pretty good.
- gopher_space 8mo agoThe subtext of that comic felt a bit like “what if Hunter Thompson was mostly sober?”
- xoxxala 8mo agoI cannot recommend Transmetropolitan enough. It should be required reading.
- autoexec 8mo agoConsidering how long ago it was written it's both surprising and unfortunate how relevant it is to where we are now
- autoexec 8mo agoThanks for that! Vaughan is great. It's funny that it's a digital release considering the topic. That small sense of unease I feel each time I feed my personal and credit card data into yet another website should only enhance the experience.
- lucasay 8mo agoI’m more curious about how robust this is against modern systems. A lot of newer facial recognition models are trained on occlusions, masks, and heavy makeup — so this might be less effective than people assume.
- saalweachter 8mo agoIt's not actually an oversight or training failure; as one of the six societies which secretly rule the world, the Juggalos simply demand to be exempt from facial recognition.
- atomicnumber3 8mo agoJuggalos, bronies, 9th doctor fans, billionaires, royals (baseball team), and royals (landed nobility)?
- saalweachter 8mo agoIn _Inside Job_, it was Juggalos, the Illuminati, the Catholic Church, Cognito Inc [the main feature of the show, kind of the Deep State], the Atlanteans, and the Reptoids.
- wiml 8mo agoIt really is past time for another expansion set for Illuminati.
- stackghost 8mo agoIt's likely that e.g. wifi-based gait analysis can be deployed to defeat this. The only saving grace is you can't run that against video surveillance footage.
- fc417fc802 8mo agoBut you can run video-based gait analysis against video surveillance footage. You can also index physical fingerprints other than the face. Maybe I should start wearing a hazmat suit with an opaque faceplate whenever I leave the house.
- mcv 8mo agoNot surprising at all. It's a form of dazzle camouflage that has previously been shown to confuse facial recognition[0]. It's probably possible to design it to be more effective yet less intrusive than juggalo makeup. I would have actually expected it to be more popular by now. [0] https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle/ https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle/
- Setas 8mo agoWhat this really shows is how brittle a lot of facial recognition systems are once the input stops looking like the clean training set. It does not take some magical anti-AI trick. A small shift in landmark geometry, contrast, or occlusion is often enough to push confidence off a cliff. The hard part is not recognizing a well-lit passport-style face. The hard part is deciding how the system should fail when the real world gets messy or adversarial. If the fallback is bad, you either lock out legitimate users or quietly accept weak matches. That is why I think the useful benchmark is not top-line accuracy. It is how gracefully the system handles weird, low-confidence, real-world inputs.
- dylan604 8mo agoIsn't being non-white good enough to not be identified as you? Sure, you might get identified as someone else altogether, but that's moving the goal posts from just not being identified. /s
- yacin 8mo agomaybe it's just from being covered in Faygo?
- alexjplant 8mo agoFaygo is unironically delicious. They used to sell them for $1 a pop (Midwestern pun intended) on the East Coast in gas stations. Diet varieties of Orange, Moon Mist, and Root Beer were personal favorites. No idea whether this is still the case as I haven't been in a Sheetz in years.
- bityard 8mo agoMost grocery stores still sell Faygo in Michigan. But you rarely see more than the most popular 3 or so (boring) flavors. I remember there being at least a half-dozen different Faygo flavors at every kid's birthday party in the 80's.
- HardwareLust 8mo agoSheetz quit carrying Faygo long ago, at least in and around Philly.
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- hackitup7 8mo agoI'll make sure to wear my Juggalo makeup the next time I visit China to avoid their face scanning technology. That'll surely help me blend into the background.
- FerretFred 8mo agoSimilarly, I could be the first (known) Jugallo in West Yorkshire. Who knows, we might spark a new trend!
- Larrikin 8mo agoIn 2018 it was already common knowledge that gait analysis was more accurate than facial recognition at the time. This would have been defeatable then.
- beepbooptheory 8mo agoHow are everyone's gaits being collected? Is there gait databases at the NSA? Not being skeptical! Honestly very interesting.
- nemomarx 8mo agoYou could compare gaits between footage of a crime and footage of you in another public place, probably? I don't think I've heard of it being used though.
- a2tech 8mo agoWe only have discussions of the Chinese rolling out gait tracking widely. Basically you use existing facial databases to match ids to people in observed areas and capture their gait as they pass observed areas. Then it goes into the database. Using partial matching (non ideal observation of gait or face) allows for greater positive matching in non-ideal circumstances.
- MoonWalk 8mo agoTo match ids to people? I'd think you'd match superegos.
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- angiolillo 8mo agoDARPA projects from more than a decade ago (VSAM/WAMI for arial platforms like Gorgon Stare) used arial imagery to capture ground shadows for gait tracking purposes. From chatting with some of the researchers many years ago my understanding is that it usually wasn't accurate enough for unique identification and the gait shadow was dependent on shoe type and clothing, so a persistent gait shadow database wouldn't have been useful. But it could be correlated with ground-based surveillance for identification, for example person A and B were identified on a ground-based security camera entering a building, then gait tracking could be used to monitor where they went after they left the building even if they avoided ground-based security cameras after that point.
- throwawaypath 8mo agoDid I accidentally sleep in a time machine? Front page of HN right now has articles on Juggalos and Afroman.
- oceansky 8mo agoThe early 2000s are back baby
- jp191919 8mo agoLet's not bring back Windows ME
- marcosdumay 8mo agoCompared to 11?
- oceansky 8mo agoWell, the local file search is much better on ME at least.
- bacchusracine 8mo agoI'm thinking...give me a minute....
- marcosdumay 8mo agoTake your time. It's updating...
- MoonWalk 8mo agoBut let's bring back XP.
- TurdF3rguson 8mo agoIf it's early 2000s I'm still on Windows 95
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- dsiegel2275 8mo agoAlso blocks magnets.
- throwway120385 8mo agoThe only way to meaningfully defeat surveillance technology is to make a constitutional amendment that limits its use privately and publicly. We keep fighting it technologically which is an arms race. A cultural solution is the only path forward that will see meaningful success.
- mc32 8mo agoI don’t think it will happen for at least a couple of reasons. The “deep state” in the US and elsewhere will not allow it and would find workarounds ala five eyes. And two, the right wants to spy on the left and the left wants to spy on the right. Only a small sliver of libertarians are strongly against spying “the domestic baddies.” So there is no chance.
- gleenn 8mo agoThe only reason the deep state or anyone has any power is because most people don't care. If people cared, we could change. Modern politics is all about distracting everyone with some crazy as often as possible to keep shifting attention and basically disabling any progress.
- Avicebron 8mo agoThere's some of that, there is also metric tons of money being used to keep the corporate status quo..
- sylos 8mo agothe deepstate has power because they will literally kill you if you don't and that's not the worst option. The deepstate will honeytrap, hack, blackmail, or otherwise destroy your life to get what "it" wants. People caring more isn't going to do anything if the Congressman doesn't want it known that he likes easy access to money and other illegal things.
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- beau_g 8mo agoIt would be interesting to first create a taxonomy of juggalo face paint patterns a la aruco markers/April tags, then see if a sufficiently large crowd of juggalos could be used to calibrate cameras
- nailer 8mo ago> a sufficiently large crowd of juggalos Some kind of gathering of the Juggalos?
- wr639 8mo agoSo maybe they may be smarter then they get credited for being. Probably not. But now anyone feeling uncomfortable about facial recognition tech now know what they can do to combat it if they chose. One question. Can you get thru the airport and onto a plan wearing the makeup?
- seanhunter 8mo agoPro: You can get through the airport and onto a plan. Con: It's the guantanamo bay weight reduction plan.
- general_reveal 8mo agoFucking magnets and shit, how do they even work?
- deltoidmaximus 8mo agoIn Fall; or, Dodge in Hell by Neal Stephenson one of the characters happens by a group of young women wearing devices that project constantly changing colored light patterns onto their faces to prevent facial recognition tracking. It's barely even mentioned in the book but I wondered how viable that was of an idea. The character's only thought on the devices IIRC was that most people only occasionally wore them.
- nervousvarun 8mo agoAs with most things cyberpunk, Gibson also did this masterfully w/ the Panther Moderns, specifically Lupus Yonderboy. One of my favorite parts of Neuromancer is when Lupus has his interaction with Armitage and says (from the link below) "Lupus didn't bother to count it, being sure that 'Mr. Who' paid well to remain so, and not be a 'Mr. Name', which Armitage received as a threat." Gibson (and later Stephenson) were prescient enough to realize that anonymity would be a commodity in the near future. https://williamgibson.fandom.com/wiki/Lupus_Yonderboy https://williamgibson.fandom.com/wiki/Lupus_Yonderboy Really excited to see what Apple does with these guys in the upcoming adaptation.
- almostkindatech 8mo agoGibson also had the 'ugly t-shirt' in Zero History, designed to mess with facial recognition https://www.wired.com/story/facial-recognition-t-shirt-block/ https://www.wired.com/story/facial-recognition-t-shirt-block...
- dmitrygr 8mo agoIt would work until algorithms were adjusted to it, which would happen as soon as significant number of people started doing it. Colors are defeated by desaturating, which is no issue since most face recognition algos run on greyscale data anyways. Blotches of bright and dark are defeated, for example, by a high-pass filter (eg: edge detection) on the brightness data to filter out large blotches but keep small detail
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- mixmastamyk 8mo agoSounds like a lot of work. Are Groucho glasses effective, perhaps with obscured lenses?
- tinfoilhatter 8mo agoRemember kids - don't pick up any currency lying on the ground at an ICP concert. It most likely has poop on it.
- PaulHoule 8mo ago... reminds me of the time I was in Quebec and there was a Montréal Canadiens game near my hotel and there was a fan taking up most of the elevator because he was dressed up like a player, mask and all!
- FrustratedMonky 8mo agoWith facial recognition camaras everywhere. Might be time become a juggalo.
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- vondur 8mo agoI was hoping my corpse paint would also be effective at blocking facial recognition too.
- gcr 8mo agoHey I wrote a paper about this exactly ten years ago! https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.04504 https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.04504 I focused on facebook’s detector (not recognizer) for reasons explained in the intro, but face rec has come a long way since then.
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- dyauspitr 8mo agoIt will probably fool video only face recognition but it’s harder to fool LIDAR.
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