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Software update bricks some Jeep 4xe hybrids over the weekend
- omneity 1y agoSo how long until software in cars is treated with the same seriousness and rigor as the software in airplanes?
- onei 1y agoThat's what MISRA C [1] is sort of meant to be. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MISRA_C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MISRA_C
- sosodev 1y agoI suspect that we will see it when an OTA update very rapidly causes hundreds of deaths.
- dyingkneepad 1y agoWhen it kills one of the Oligarchs' daughters.
- CivBase 1y agoYou mean DO178? What a joke that is.
- aduty 1y agoMopar and dead car.
- thayne 1y agoWhy does an OtA update even have the ability to brick the entire vehicle? The infotainment system should be completely isolated from the driving system.
- _ea1k 1y agoI'm guessing that it has features like "remote start" and that these features weren't designed particularly well.
- SoftTalker 1y agoWhat does it mean to "start" an EV?
- dotancohen 1y agoPre-warm the battery, pre-heat or cool the interior, enable the defrosters.
- monocularvision 1y agoTurn on the temperature control system?
- jabroni_salad 1y agoit clicks a relay. Just like with ICE vehicles people usually use it to warm up their car in the winter. Also, batteries may need to be preconditioned if too hot or cold. A lot of EVs let you set your ideal departure time in a widget as opposed to using a remote though.
- _ea1k 1y agoThis is a 4xe. It is a gas jeep with an overpriced, undersized battery and motor bolted on. It can be started just like all the other gas cars. Although even with full EVs, there's a reasonable concept of a "start". Some even let you essentially unlock and allow driving remotely, even if the local driver doesn't have a key. That's useful sometimes.
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- SilverElfin 1y agoI’ve noticed that newer cars seem to get updates that affect performance. Things like how they shift gears.
- varjag 1y agoAs long as it exchanges information (mundane things like muting the music when parking sensors have to be heard, requesting battery/fuel status for advising the next fill stop etc) the isolation can't be entirely complete.
- dotancohen 1y agoHow about read only over an optic cable?
- varjag 1y agoI wasn't really talking about galvanic isolation. And on modern vehicles instruments and infotainment tend to run hypervised on the same physical host. Thing is as long as you exchange information there's always potential for logic coupling allowing the trouble to cross the boundary. Not to mention the basic rate excess/denial of service situations.
- Consultant32452 1y agoThe infotainment system on my car can make changes to the suspension. Can change from street to track mode and even has a launch mode I can initiate for starting a timed 0-60, etc. I can also put the car into valet mode so it won’t go fast. If I forget the valet mode password I am told I have to buy a very expensive replacement because it can’t be unlocked by a dealer.
- Someone1234 1y agoYou're starting out with an assumption, that this is an OTA update for the infotainment system, and then conclude this incident shouldn't be possible. The problem is the assumption. This is a OTA vehicle update. It has the ability to update the infotainment, ECU, ECM, TCM, and BCM. Multiple manufacturers have been able to release recalls that fix major vehicle defects (safety, reliability, and performance). That wouldn't be possible without OTA updates that update core vehicle computer systems. Unclear where this idea that OTA = Infotainment came from. I'd go as far as to say that most manufacturers can do this in 2025.
- SirFatty 1y ago"I'd go as far as to say that most manufacturers can do this in 2025." What does that have to do with OP's comment? And their point is still valid, and OTA update should not be able to brick a vehicle, regardless of the system receiving the update. And regardless if "they all can do it".
- Someone1234 1y agoIt has everything to do with it. If OTA updates can update core vehicle computer systems, in ways that can correct safety, performance, and reliability problems then they can also brick that vehicle. The manufacturer has the ability to push an update that reprograms computers that control how physical components behave in a vehicle. By the very nature of that; they can push good or evil updates.
- bloomingeek 1y agoWhich is a reason the market for "dumb" cars is tightening up. Both my cars are "smart" and sometimes I wonder if I really own them. It bothers me that the maker can cause an update without my permission. (Yes, I know that's the world we've been living in for a while now.)
- aardvarkr 1y agoAny update can brick your device if done poorly. This device just happens to be a car. You misunderstood what OP was saying. They claimed that an update to the infotainment system shouldn’t be able to brick the other systems in the car. The response points out the car’s OTA update subroutine has access to update every critical system in the car by design. It’s flawed logic to assume that OTA updates only affect the infotainment system.
- ActorNightly 1y agoBecause cost. Same reason why dash clusters and infotainment systems are now all monitors - its actually way cheaper to use those than analog gauges. The software is built on a famous bullshit paradigm of "never rewrite, always reuse", and as a result shit gets patched together without any concern of how everything cooperates. Now with hybrid or electrical drives, a motor controller is basically a package that runs its own software, which then interfaces with the rest of the car. And OTA updates can overwrite its firmware. The only manufacturer that has avoided most issues is Toyota, since they have been doing hybrids for quite some time. Other companies are just starting on this path and to catch up, they can't be bothered to do software deep dives and figure shit out.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 1y agoWhy does the update even happen while in motion?
- antiloper 1y agoThe article doesn't go into a lot of details, but it only says that the bug happens while in motion, not that the software update itself happened while in motion: > The buggy update doesn't appear to brick the car immediately. Instead, the failure appears to occur while driving—a far more serious problem.
- PKop 1y agoThe problem is worse than "just don't update on the fly while driving". The update happened while not driving; the bug causing the failure mode of shutting down power and engine happened later while driving. There's nowhere to hide from these types of problems it seems.
- joezydeco 1y agoThey're not isolated anymore, Tesla set this precedent and now everyone is trying to copy them. Volvo is having the same set of problems.
- uptown 1y agoI had an OTA update brick my Tahoe infotainment system. Now that backup cameras are standard requirements, those were all unusable. Also affected things like the clicking sound you hear when you use your turn signal. That was completely silent. Cost me ~$2k to get it fixed and wasn't covered under warranty. Good stuff. I've disable future "updates".
- quesera 1y agoThis is a lawsuit, to recover repair costs and any loss of use. It's not worth it, but it's necessary.
- AlotOfReading 1y agoAn FYI for the future, but backup cameras are considered a safety system and manufacturers are required to repair issues they've caused in safety systems regardless of warranty status. The appropriate escalation if the manufacturer doesn't recognize this is to get NHTSA involved with a safety complaint [0]. That's the main way recalls happen. [0] https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem
- stevenhubertron 1y agoit was a telematics update
- ncr100 1y agoIt looks like there are two updates - the infotainment AND the other one .. firmware of some thingies. And the infotainment is a PREREQUISITE to the other one. That is what I surmised from listening to the "don't do this until we fix it please" notice from Stellantis from this weekend.
- sailfast 1y agoAnd… Stellantis is up 3.5% right now in public trading. Nothing makes sense anymore haha
- nemomarx 1y ago"no such thing as bad publicity" maybe?
- Someone1234 1y agoIt is likely an unrelated correction. They are still down -7.92% over five days; this is just making it so they aren't -11.42%.
- dehrmann 1y agoIt's getting priced like an easy-to-fix recall that affects some cars of a specific model for one of their brands.
- antiloper 1y agoIt's a bug. Why should a software bug have an effect on a manufacturer's stock price? It's not like the update caused brake failures or something.
- zettabomb 1y agoWell, given that the article says it caused powertrain failures on the highway, I'd say it's severe enough that it should absolutely cause the manufacturer's stock to drop.
- PKop 1y agoLearning that Stellantis pushes bugs that cause power and engine failure while driving should decrease demand for their cars. > or something Maybe do some research into the problem you're confidently asserting was trivial / read the article you're commenting on: "...others claim to have experienced a powertrain failure at highway speeds." https://www.reddit.com/r/Jeep/comments/1o47064/jeep_4xe_shut_off_mid_highway/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Jeep/comments/1o47064/jeep_4xe_shut...
- deadbabe 1y agoTruly can’t believe the shit coming out of these automakers now that AI assisted coding has become so commonplace in the industry.
- pavel_lishin 1y agoDo we have any actual evidence that AI-assisted coding has anything to do with this?
- jacquesm 1y agohttps://www.stellantis.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/october/stellantis-and-mistral-ai-expand-their-collaboration-to-accelerate-enterprise-wide-ai-adoption https://www.stellantis.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/octob...
- ungreased0675 1y agoSo many layers of failure here. It points to very suspect architecture and development practices, the bad update is just sprinkles on top.
- netsharc 1y agoThe cars needs a partition for the running OS, and a second as backup, and "reboot to recovery partition" to fall back to in case the update breaks. Hah, curious to think that cars now have bootloaders...
- antiloper 1y agoCars probably have multiple bootloaders even. Surely there are at least two, one for the ECU and one for the infotainment system. Perhaps there are even more depending on how complex components like parking cameras etc. are.
- stuff4ben 1y agoI suppose some version of CTRL-ALT-DELETE is needed to reset the car's OS.
- marssaxman 1y agoThe first layer of failure was the decision to make the car computer-controlled.
- dotancohen 1y agoThat came after the decisions to reduce both costs and tailpipe emissions - both obvious worthy goals. Is the implementation that is flawed, not the idea.
- sleepybrett 1y agoWhy would cars be the only thing we wouldn't manage with computers?
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- EvanAnderson 1y agoDiscussion from over the weekend: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558318
- dec0dedab0de 1y agoI've had a Jeep for a few months, and it bothers me so much that the entire community is about modifying the vehicle as much as possible, but they still come with this locked down OS. If any car could be the champion of OpenSource, it is a Jeep Wrangler, but they're using an OS made by SiriusXM for some reason.
- inahga 1y agoI don't think the software hacking side of Wrangler mods is barren. e.g. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jeep-hacking-can-c-can-ihs-uds-reverse-engineering.82139/ https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jeep-hacking-..., which IIUC has been commercialized into https://www.zautomotive.com/products/z_tzr_jlm https://www.zautomotive.com/products/z_tzr_jlm. I don't know that anyone has broken the head unit firmware though.
- jonbiggums22 1y agoIsn't Jeep the company that introduced infotainment pop-up ads that play at the stop light? I doubt they'd want you loading an open source OS replacement to avoid that.
- rglover 1y agoI can't for the life of me understand why infotainment systems knock so many engineers for a loop. Is there a particular reason (industry/domain-specific) beyond just low-quality software development? My Mazda 3 (2018) just had a class action lawsuit for its infotainment system which, completely at random after years of normal operation, starts clicking on menu items and scrolling about the settings (only to stop and not do it again for a couple of months). It can get so bad you just have to disconnect any devices and drive in silence/with the AM/FM radio.
- catigula 1y agoYou get a new device every year and teams of professionals are constantly churning updates for it. With cars, you don't get to get a new device, it has to be consistent and keep working and you had better make it all work with a skeleton crew.
- sleepybrett 1y agoI worked at a company that did software for these connected infotainment system. They cost cut those things to the bone, minimal ram, minimal cpu, shit screens. Even in the high end models. Gotta remember that the car radio has always been a cheap gimme.
- CamperBob2 1y agoGotta remember that the car radio has always been a cheap gimme. Not really. Some of the hardware that you could get in the 1950s-1970s timeframe was great. Heavy chrome knobs and bezels, permeability-tuned front ends with separate RF stages... electromechanical mechanisms that seemed like witchcraft when I took them apart as a kid, and would still be cool to play with today.
- jlokier 1y agoI recently did some testing of Bluetooth connecting an Android phone to a reasonably new Mercedes. Being a "luxury" brand, you'd think the Mercedes would have good infotainment software, but I found at least 5 bugs in the GUI in about 1 hour of testing, and I wasn't particularly looking for bugs, just testing what I thought would be the happy paths for Bluetooth connection. The Android phone, on the other hand, did its job flawlessly. I know software and embedded systems well enough to know all of the issues I found were preventable, if anyone cared. The car seems well built in many other respects. It doesn't look like the problem is engineering ability. (See also: Set-top box GUIs that are painfully slow to render menus, scroll, search etc. on hardware that I know can render 10-100x faster when programmed to.)
- pankalog 1y agoI recently worked at a big home lighting company, working on the OS of the router device that communicates with the light bulbs themselves and the internet/user. Our OTAU architecture uses A/B system updates [1]. Core idea is that both the kernel and the rootfs (read-only) partitions had 2 different bootslots in storage, and the OTAU would only write to the bootslot that is unused. Hence, if something went wrong, the system would automatically fallback to the previous version by just switching the bootslot used. Over the numerous years that that architecture was used, I couldn't find a single post-mortem that resulted in devices being bricked. Something to note is that the rootfs partition was overlaid with a writable partition for persisting state data etc. Now that was a $two-figure USD device, not a $5/6-figure USD electric SUV. Is this a cost-cutting measure? At those price levels, doubling your NAND size is not even half of a percent of the total cost of the vehicle. Unless there was a serious issue that the used bootslot corrupted the unused bootslot, then I don't see how this could have happened. It's saddening that car manufacturers are so unserious about the code they're deploying. [1] https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/ab https://source.android.com/docs/core/ota/ab
- apex_sloth 1y agoWe used to do that with device that where in difficult to reach places with harsh uptime requirement! Think industrial routers and protocol converters. I think it pays for itself very quickly. Sending someone for such a device can get expensive.
- CoastalCoder 1y agoThat's a good point. I'm curious if failing to do that opens Jeep up to legitimate lawsuits.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 1y agoI've had a bunch of updates break some stuff but since moving to Fedora Atomics/ublue I've never had a system I could not get back into.
- kijin 1y agoI once managed to brick a PC motherboard that advertised "dual BIOS". It didn't fallback to the previous version after a botched BIOS update. It's totally possible that the update corrupted the other bootslot as well. If those blocks aren't off-limits to the updater program, it's just an off-by-one error waiting to happen. Slot 0 or slot 1? Another possibility is that the updated version booted up just enough not to trigger the automatic fallback, and then got stuck in a loop.
- devy 1y agoSomeone correct me if I am wrong, we've haven't heard that Tesla OTA updates bricking people's cars. They implemented a dual redundant system similar like the dual BIOS for motherboard since 1999.
- op00to 1y agoLiterally the first umpteen hits on Google says this happens with Tesla: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-software-update-bricked-my-car.329215/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-software-updat...
- chroma 1y agoThat's one person claiming an update bricked their car, but it's unclear if that was due to a bad software update or a hardware failure that coincided with the update. Tesla usually explains what they fixed, so it's odd that the poster never replied with more details. Even if every software update was perfect, you would see individual stories like the one you linked to. There are millions of Teslas in the world, and they all get updates frequently, so a hardware failure will sometimes coincide with a software update. If a bad update were shipped to customers, it would be a story similar to this Jeep issue: thousands of cars affected at once, lots of furious customers, and news articles about the failure.
- dmix 1y agoI can't find any news stories about Tesla's OTAs bricking cars? Especially nothing mid-drive like we're seeing with Jeep. That'd be a pretty major story considering how every Tesla story makes headlines.
- henvic 1y agoI never heard of this and follow Tesla groups/communities/forums/etc. for over 10 years. At most you'll hear one or another person complaining about having initiated the update process and suddenly getting annoyed because they find out they need to go somewhere (it might take an hour).
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- artemonster 1y agoleadership problem, as everywhere. old grampas that used to manually draw gears on paper now have to "strategically align" a huge corporation that has to deal with new shiny and complicated things like software and they all have zero fucking clue. at least with cars you can always try to safely stop, with planes - not so possible. this will also soon creep up there.
- macNchz 1y agoI rented a Jeep Wagoneer recently and found it to have such comically glitchy electronics that this comes as no surprise. The second day we had it, the liftgate stopped latching entirely, it beeped and popped some error messages on the dashboard and simply wouldn't latch shut at all, no matter what we did. Searching the internet produced lots of people with the same problem, reporting that it required a software update to fix. There was no manual override to the electronic latching mechanism. Luckily we were near a location of the rental car company—rather than deep in the middle of nowhere where we were headed—and exchanged it for another of the same model, which was all they had available. The next 1000-something miles we drove were filled with endless weird glitches: - When a passenger plugged in their Steam Deck in the back, the entire infotainment system cut out and went black, including the instrument panel, and then started glitching in and out until they unplugged it. - When parking, the driver's seat would retract slightly to make it easier to get out, but it never moved forward again, so the seat would get further back at each stop until it was manually repositioned. - The entire drive the system flashed an un-dismissable error about a rear seat latch, which seemed completely functional. - The TPMS light went on and off periodically as it seemingly lost and then regained signal from one wheel or another. - The system flashed errors related to the automated cruise control being unavailable/broken at random times. - The electronic parking brake kept applying itself while briefly paused in parking lots. - There was something inscrutably wrong with the climate control that we never really figured out where sometimes it'd just get hot inside the car despite no change to the AC settings. When we got back I found tons of people online talking about similar (often worse) issues. Incredibly terrible for any new vehicle, never mind one that costs $80k.
- tristor 1y agoHonestly, unsurprising. Jeep and Stellantis/Dodge in general has horrible quality control and extremely poor electrical designs. They have a huge enthusiast community that will be happily apologize away the copious amounts of flaws. Frankly, nobody should ever buy their vehicles, it's just robbing yourself.
- jmcqk6 1y agoI own a Jeep Wrangler, and you're right the electronics are terrible. The rest of the vehicle is really solid though. The only problems I've had with it in three years are electronic in nature. And I've really pushed it to the limits: Colorado Passes, Utah Dessert, Montana backroads. I drove it to the Arctic Ocean and back on the Dempster. Still there is no excuse for how terrible the electronics are in Jeep / Dodge (I'm assuming all Chrysler) vehicles. And it's been that way for decades.
- kswzzl 1y agoMy 4xe died in my driveway on Saturday after the update. Let me explain, from the perspective of a 4xe owner, how bad the response has been from Jeep/Stellantis: - As of Monday 8am ET, zero legitimate communication from any Jeep-related accounts on any social media platform, or any other form of acknowledgement from the company (unless I've missed something?) - I only found out about the issue after finally searching a few Jeep groups on Facebook (of all places) to see if anyone else was experiencing the weird failure mode I was after the update. - The only remotely-official info was from a 'JeepCares' account (which is ran by Jeep) on some random off-roading forum? We were seriously all living off of screenshots from this forum, and the advice coming from the JeepCares accounts was contradictory: they claimed that the Uconnect update was separate from the telematics update, and that there was no way to stop the telematics update if the vehicle received it. Later they gave advice to defer the Uconnect update, making it sound like they were coupled. - Due to the lack of info from Jeep, people were coming up with all kinds of "if you reboot Uconnect while the Jeep's in ACC mode, it clears the check engine light". This probably did clear the CEL but didn't fix the fault. - There is no way to tell if you received the bad update. - There is no way to tell if you received the 'fix' either. - Dealerships have literally no idea what is going on. - You're basically at risk of your Jeep going limp (power loss, unable to safely make it to the shoulder) and being stranded on the highway, even as I write this.
- SigmundA 1y agoI really want a 4XE Wrangler to replace my aging JK at some point, on paper its amazing, lots of torque and power, decent economy for a brick with large tires, and can actually run a pure electric enough to get around town, plus still takes all the standard Wrangler parts. However in classic Jeep style they just can't get reliability down, and the PHEV part seems too complicated for them. If it was just reliable it would still be the best selling PHEV in America, they let that go. There is no sign of the 2026 Wrangler 4XE it might be canceled like the Gladiator version...
- kswzzl 1y agoAgreed, it's an expensive but great vehicle. Closing the last mile of the reliability gap is always tough, but they need to figure it out.
- defraudbah 1y agolol, i love jeeps, but you have to buy japanese cars with software from 60s, hopefully this does not change for another 80 years
- ChrisArchitect 1y ago[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45558318
- mrbonner 1y agoA side note: is it just me or not but I prefer my new car to still providing tactile buttons to control things? I get that smart cars like Tesla wants to push touch-screen on everything but the control mechanism just feels clunky for me. When I sit on a car with physical buttons, I know exactly where they are and what they do when I press & turn them.
- AyyEye 1y agoNot even two weeks after Stellantis mandates vibe coding engineering workflows. Has to be a new record. https://www.stellantis.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/october/stellantis-and-mistral-ai-expand-their-collaboration-to-accelerate-enterprise-wide-ai-adoption https://www.stellantis.com/en/news/press-releases/2025/octob...
- piker 1y agoWow! But seriously this would have to be code written before two weeks ago to be pushed to production OTA to a fleet of vehicles, right?
- catlover76 1y agoI would love to be able to buy new cars without this level of software in them.
- duskdozer 1y agowell, without this much software, how would they be able to monitor rich user metrics and provide seamless integrated user experiences across platforms?
- elcapithanos 1y agoA few bad updates borked my Linux install and cost me hours of potential work and left me with a deep fear of installing updates. No idea what I'd do if I had a car that needs updates
- rob 1y agoI'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. I own a Land Rover and their system software also ("Pivi") seems to have tons of little quirks and issues. Sometimes the cameras won't work unless you restart Pivi. One time, the entire car wouldn't respond to locking (via the app, keyfob, in-car buttons) unless you disconnected the battery and waited ~30 mins. Many people complain that they can't even successfully upgrade between Pivi releases. It'll error out a lot of times and they have to restart the process. (Would be interested to know the kind of tech they're using if anybody's familiar with it!)
- jasonwatkinspdx 1y agoI interviewed with the infotainment group office they have here a dozen or so years ago. My recollection is the hardware was intel, as they had some sort of partnership there, linux for the OS, some distribution specific to the auto industry, and the infotainment itself was just a Qt app.
- Animats 1y agoI have a Jeep Wrangler JK. I considered buying a 4XE. Now I'm glad I didn't.
- piker 1y agoJust wrote about my battles with software updates[1]. Without getting into what should or shouldn’t happen, I’ll express my sympathy for the Jeep team and the owners. Software updates are hard. [Edit: a commenter notes that Jeep’s parent has recently mandated LLM usage in development. Let’s hope these two are unrelated and that we aren’t going to start seeing more catastrophic failures like this over the next few months as people work out the limitations of this sorcery.] [1] https://tritium.legal/blog/update https://tritium.legal/blog/update
- dabockster 1y agoSoftware updates for cars should be rare, with the infotainment systems physically isolated from the rest of the car (aside from constant/switched power). And if it needs updates for whatever reason (eg a recall), they should be done at a dealership - not over the air. Bricking a car with an over-the-air software update is stupid and unacceptable behavior. Stuff like this is why I'm actually kind of happy to be driving a 20 year old car still.
- vivalahn 1y agoI looked at the Jeep awhile back but their safety ratings were absolutely terrible. I’ve been in car accidents aplenty so that was a deal breaker for me. Just about the only real electronic thing in my Lexus is an ECU which rarely goes and can be replaced relatively easily . Forget updating the maps and other nonsense. Just drive the damn thing and do mechanical maintenance and a little grease.
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- temporallobe 1y agoThis is disturbing. There is absolutely no valid reason to make OTA updates to your ECU or other essential components. Never. Ever. If there ever was a need to do such an update, it should be made in the dealership by a professional who can roll it back if there’s a problem. Automakers have become far too complacent while at the same time over-automating everything and profiteering by turning things into a subscription model. This is why so many car enthusiasts (myself included) prefer older cars.
- cozzyd 1y agoI bet it won't let a passenger connect a Bluetooth device while it's running though
- mrcwinn 1y agoI miss the days of Jeep UConnect Snow Leopard.
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- WalterBright 1y agoIt is not possible to write bug-free software. The way to deal with inevitable software (and hardware) failures is to have an independent backup system. This is how airplanes are designed, and the safety record speaks volumes that this works. The way to deal with a bad update is to have another image of the software in ROM (so it cannot be altered) that can be switched to. This backup program may have reduced capability, but it should be able to get you home or to the dealer.
- constantcrying 1y agoAirplanes do not receive OtA updates, nor does every system have a backup. Airplane software is developed to a very high safety standards, which mostly, but not always works. But this is not applicable here. A key part of airplane safety is constant monitoring and maintenance. If a component needs a software update, some technician will manually perform the update and do the required tests. This simply can not work in automotive.
- WalterBright 1y agoThe concept is the same, though. > nor does every system have a backup. Every flight critical component and system on an airliner has an independent backup.
- h4kunamata 1y agoProblems like this is why I got a 2025 Suzuki Jimny XL. I don't need a computer on wheels, it has all the ingredients for disasters but people keep ignoring it. XL: 1. No firmware update, 2. No OTA updates, you get what you paid for; 3. No internet access; The most important thing: * Standard key (AU version), no keyless ignition! As it stands now, any car that is keyless ignition can be stolen by OBD devices sold at eBay and AliExpress. The newer the car, the worst. Toyota new cars in Australia are being stolen by drilling its passenger door which grants you access to the OBD located on the passenger side, hook the OBD device that cost less than AUD50 and you are driving an over AUD100k car away like you own it. I am not even getting into cars systems have zero security, I remember watching in early 2000s, a hacker taking control of the reporter's car while on a highway and made the car stop. The reported had to change his underwear!! Things got a lot worse 25 years later. Back to Jeep 4XE Hybrid cars, they are 2025 models and people bought it even after everything that is going on around Jeep. It is hard to blame only the company on this.
- ncr100 1y agoSounds & looks AWESOME. Me being in FREEDOM USA FREEDOM I cannot drive one of these as Suzuki isn't doing business here anymore .. since 2010. Enjoy yours, though !!
- stevage 1y agoA nitpick, but this isn't the normal definition of "to brick", which requires that the update be irreversible.
- agigao 1y agoHas it been inquired if vibe-coding was involved in the process?
- pfortuny 1y agoI really cannot understand why software updates to car are not required to be made in the dealership after a statement from the owner that he wants it done if it is not mandatory. Yes, it is a hassle but at least if you have a working car, you can keep it so.
- tracker1 1y agoThis would be significantly better.
- freetonik 1y agoI had an Opel hybrid, produced by Stellantis, the parent company of Jeep, Opel and many other brands. It's a great car completely ruined by software. It had a "engine failure" notice 2 days after delivery. Apart from frequent glitches and failures, the last straw was the incomprehensible logic of the seat lumbar support mechanism. It's a pneumatic bladder that you can inflate/deflate to your liking. When you stop the car, driver's lumbar support just starts deflating to 0. If you open any door or trunk, it starts inflating back again, and not to the original level, but to a seemingly random value. The front passenger's lumbar support stays as is and does not behave this way. I bought the car with this optional extra "back doctor association approved ergonimic chairs", ironically. The hybrid system was also glitchy as hell, turning on and off randomly. Opel claimed this is normal and there is no way around it. I had other PHEV hybrid cars after that, from different brands, and none of them behaved like that. I will never buy any Stellantis product again.
- throw-10-13 1y agoDidn't an analog jeep jump into drive and kill a member of the star trek cast by pinning them against a wall for several hours? Seems like a car company that should be avoided.
- EverydayBalloon 1y ago[dead]
- bevaroo 1y agoOMG! I just stumbled upon this terrifying info on a Google News feed! I conducted the update on my'24 4XE as the screen had haunted me 3x to do so. I never made the connection to nearly being killed on Saturday 10/10/25, immediately after updating Uconnect & driving, when the Jeep engine died suddenly 3x on a 4 mile drive home. It took a couple of times to unfreeze and restart, but I needed to get out of traffic ASAP. Check engine light is currently on. Wow, this sounds like a dangerous mess. My 3rd Jeep... dealership is not anything like it used to be - thanks Stellantis - now what? Not an Alarmist but this sounds super dangerous, & I realize that I could have been killed. What to do?
- lunias 1y agoMy car is 13 years old now... I'm going to need a new one eventually. I hope the industry changes direction, and fast, because if my car dies tomorrow I'm not sure there is a single new car on the market that I'd feel happy buying.