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I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and
by therobots927 1y ago
I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.
- sirbutters 1y ago[flagged]
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- tome 1y agoHow about the allies in WWII? Were they on the wrong side of history?
- jcranmer 1y agoWhen it comes to strategic bombing, honestly, yes. It boggles my mind that militaries keep attempting despite decades of experience showing that damn near every single time it's been attempted, it's been an abject failure in its aims and very often entirely counterproductive.
- tome 1y agoHow about when it comes to military actions that were not strategic bombing? FWIW the reason that Israeli troops are on the ground and not just razing the Strip from the air is to reduce risk to civilians.
- insane_dreamer 1y agoSo thoughtful of them
- victorbjorklund 1y agoYou mean like supporting Germany and Japan in 1944-1945? German and Japanese civilians were dying in the thousands. How could it be wrong to support imperial japan and nazi germany by opposing the allies?
- barbazoo 1y agoPerhaps so if the death toll among civilians in Germany had been as high as the death toll in the Gaza Strip.
- victorbjorklund 1y agoHow many do you think died in germany and how many do you think died in gaza?
- beloch 1y agoFlipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Netanyahu has, to date, handled Trump deftly and Rubio's current presence in Israel seems to be aimed at offering support to the ground offensive, not opposition. I honestly have no idea what kind of backlash it would take to shake U.S. support for this genocide.
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- jcranmer 1y agoThere's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is worth noting that Andrew Cuomo, in a desperate last-minute gamble to boost support in the NYC mayoral race, has come out against Israel. Considering that much of the attacks on Mamdani have focused on his support for Palestine (construing him as antisemitic), it's notable that other candidates also seem to think that being anti-Israel is actually the vote winner for moderates right now.
- flyinglizard 1y agoThat gap between support of Israel across age groups existed historically AFAIK, although the margins were narrower. More worrying for Israel is that it's becoming a partisan issue. That goes to both ends - previously unthinkable, unwavering support under Republicans but a very short leash under the Democrats.
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- FergusArgyll 1y agoAntisemitism doesn't come from a lack of IQ, it comes from being a bad person
- lazyasciiart 1y agoAnd support for genocide? Which one causes that?
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- ergocoder 1y agoThe hostages have nothing to do with it... as much as Gazans have nothing to do with the Oct 7 massacre. How would the hostage return the land? How would Gazan tell Hamas to stop? Both answers are they can't
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- ergocoder 1y agoMany of the current hostages were in a music festival (it's not a war zone) and captured during the Oct 7 massacre by Palestine. Edit: I see you edited your comment to blame the hostages for being in the music festival. So, you normalize blaming regular people who have nothing to do with the war; the very thing you said we shouldn't do.
- impossiblefork 1y agoBut the Palestians and Hamas are distinct. There are even Christian Palestinians who are of course, since Hamas is so fundamentally Islamist, not at all represented by the group. Palestinians who are not part of Hamas are third parties and when they are attacked, you can't tell them to ask Hamas to release hostages or do anything, because they have no more influence over Hamas than anybody else does.
- kunley 1y agoDo Christian Palestinians live in the Gaza strip or somewhere else?
- mandeepj 1y ago> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.
- GoatInGrey 1y agoPeople didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.
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- roenxi 1y agoIf only the blue representatives would resolve this tension by pulling support for a now internationally-recognised genocide! :( I suppose that option is just too radical to put on the table.
- hypeatei 1y agoYou've thought through the full foreign policy implications for pulling aid from Israel overnight? I'm not sure why "less bad" on your pet issue isn't enough, especially when you're up against Trump, who has made posts suggesting resorts and golden statues of himself in Gaza.
- mandeepj 1y ago> You've thought through the full foreign policy implications for pulling aid from Israel overnight? I don’t think many people are thinking through now especially the one at the top of power chain, otherwise we’d not have witnessed child charades like invade Canada, Greenland, and Panama, as well as overnight gutting of USAID.
- ajsnigrutin 1y agoUS sure likes israel... https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saar-urges-250-visiting-us-state-legislators-to-pass-anti-bds-laws-in-their-states/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saar-urges-250-... 250 us legislators had to fly there (probably paid by the taxpayers) a few days ago. Sadly, looking at the US politics, whichever side you vote, israel wins.
- therobots927 1y agoI agree. That’s why I won’t vote unless someone NOT funded by AIPAC is on the ballot.
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- hedora 1y agoThey’ve had lots of impact on Gaza though.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> I won’t vote unless someone NOT funded by AIPAC is on the ballot Then you're electorally irrelevant. Particularly if your only civic (in)action is not voting.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoNo, they're a vote that can be won by someone willing to stand up to AIPAC. I also will not vote for a Zionist. At some point, if we live in a real democracy, someone will put winning an election over being controlled by Israel.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> they're a vote that can be won by someone willing to stand up to AIPAC If they cast a blank ballot, sure. Otherwise, betting on new turnout is a losing strategy. Particularly if you’re counting on that off cycle or in a primary.
- FridayoLeary 1y agoConsider that the videos of Oct 7 had a similar effect on lots of decent people. The un is the same now as it was before October 7. In gueterres words "it didn't happen in a vacuum". The complete loss of credibility for the un also didn't happen in a vacuum. Even if their report is true it will fall on deaf ears thanks in no small part to their lack of any sort of objectivity when it comes to Israel.
- dmix 1y agoAgreed, UN doesn't have a great reputation in America, I'm skeptical many people will care about this outside the media news cycle Pew says only 52% percent of Americans had a favorable opinion of UN in 2024 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/05/most-people-in-35-countries-see-the-un-favorably-but-views-have-dipped-in-some-places/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/05/most-peop... On a political or legal level for Israel it might have more implications though, that is impossible for them to ignore, but ICJ will focus on the leaders who can avoid visiting certain countries...just like Putin.
- dragonwriter 1y ago> Agreed, UN doesn't have a great reputation in America, I'm skeptical many people will care about this outside the media news cycle. Lots of people will care, but it isn’t going to move a lot of opinions. > Pew says only 52% percent of Americans had a favorable opinion of UN in 2024 Yes, but it says 57% do in 2025, the first positive change in support since 2022. [0] But neither is that much more than the 50% that already think Israel is committing genocide [1], and the positions are probably significantly correlated, so this probably isn’t swaying many people that aren’t already convinced. > On a political or legal level it might have more implications though but ICJ will focus on the leaders who can avoid visiting certain countries. Always good to see assessments of international legal impacts from people who don’t know that the International Court of Justice deals exclusively with cases between states, and that the standing body that deals with individual offenses that are war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the crime of aggression is the International Criminal Court. [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/09/05/united-nations-seen-favorably-by-many-across-25-countries/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/09/05/united-na... [1] https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3929 https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3929
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- jbstack 1y agoSo what? The fact that Hamas or its supporters produce fake anti-Israel propaganda doesn't mean that Israel isn't committing genocide. To suggest so is to engage in the fallacy of composition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition): (1) "Hamas produces a lot of fake anti-Israel propaganda" -> (2) "All anti-Israel evidence is fake" -> (3)"Israel is not committing genocide". You can't reach conclusion (2) from (1).
- adastra22 1y agoYou: "Look at these videos showing genocide in Gaza!" Him: "Those videos are demonstrably fake." You: "Doesn't matter!" Are you sure that's the right fallacy?
- Hikikomori 1y agoThis fake? https://www.reuters.com/pictures/aerial-photos-show-scale-destruction-across-gaza-2025-08-18/ https://www.reuters.com/pictures/aerial-photos-show-scale-de... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/05/wasteland-rubble-dust-graves-how-gaza-looks-from-the-sky https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/05/wasteland-rubb...
- jbstack 1y agoAt no point did I ever point to a video and say that it shows genocide, so your first line is invented. Here's a more accurate version: Him: "Here is some evidence that some videos have been faked" Me: "The fact that some have been faked doesn't mean there aren't real ones" So yes, it's the right fallacy.
- ragazzina 1y ago>"anti-Israel" narratives are being crafted by powerful forces. If we are talking about propaganda machines, US/CIA are "pro-israel". Facebook/Google are "pro-israel". Russia/KGB are "pro-israel". India is "pro-israel". Mossad is "pro-israel". Which "powerful forces" are on the same level but on the opposite side?
- UmGuys 1y agoSerious question, will you abstain from voting? There are only 2 parties and they both fund Israel. One maybe slightly less.
- tootie 1y agoHalf of democratic senators and zero Republicans voted to suspend arms sales to Israel. So, there's clearly a more amenable party in this debate. The Dems who didn't sign on, we lobby or primary.
- UmGuys 1y agoI qualified it. Generally speaking, they both support it. They even called the campus protests for peace antisemetism during Biden's term. Of course the GOP are much worse, but there's definitely reason to dislike both in this regard.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoYes, I will. I will not vote for anyone who supports Israel. My vote is here for the taking, I just need to see an anti-Zionist candidate.
- hedora 1y agoThis line of reasoning helped get Trump in. It’s hard to say what Harris would have done, but it’s unlikely she would have greenlit the complete demolition of Gaza so she could build a resort. Similarly, I doubt she would have forced places like UC Berkeley to send her lists of people critical of Israel (like you), then opened critical investigations against them. Refusing to vote is the best way to ensure policies you object to the most are expanded.
- sporkxrocket 1y agoCommitting genocide helped Trump win. That’s squarely on democrats.
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- BrawnyBadger53 1y agoWe don't need to meander about definitions here, it's defined in the report. It is also described how they reached their conclusions.
- jbstack 1y ago>> Would you categorize all wars and all acts of self defense as genocide? No, only those that fall within the definition contained in Article II of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948).
- VerminOctopus1 1y agoYou’re not being clever by questioning this, you’re just displaying ignorance of well stated definitions.
- therobots927 1y agoThis is so far beyond self defense. Where do you draw the line? Does Israel have to rape or blow up every single person in the Gaza Strip before it’s “too far” in your book?
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- therobots927 1y agoThink whatever you want. The tide of public opinion is turning against Israel and their American benefactors.
- natch 1y agoOf course it is. It’s the resources of 2 billion people against the resources of 20 million people, driven by goals of religious domination by the larger side. Just taking the US example, this is the same public who were gullible enough to think that Donald and Kamala were good candidates. Of course their opinion is swayed by that much propaganda.
- therobots927 1y agoI’m not talking about global opinion so your 2 billion ((Muslim)) figure is irrelevant. I’m talking about US voter opinion. Which is the only thing that’s relevant here because Israel only feels safe committing a genocide because it has the world’s most powerful military force protecting and funding it. This conflict has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with securing the Suez Canal and destabilizing the region so the US can keep its control over (oil) resources. It’s clear who has the most power in this situation and it’s not the “2 billion”. It’s the “420 million” US + Israeli citizens who make up the military coalition that is currently decimating a population of < 2 million. You want to talk about numbers? Let’s talk numbers. If there’s such a power imbalance why is the ratio of Gaza’s killed to Israelis 100:1 in this “war”?
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- therobots927 1y agoThis is the first time that I’ve even seen an article like this survive longer than a half hour on this platform. And the strong response of the HN user base is clearly organic - there is obviously a desire to discuss the ongoing genocide. But there is a concerted effort to censor us through coordinated flagging of articles and comments. I’m glad this made it through so we can all see just how much we are being censored by other users.
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